Old EA Message Board

Hi Maggie,

Of course you are welcome on our mb, so welcome to you !. The purpose of this mb is to teach and spread EA to anyone who honesty desires to learn it, and to spread it as far and wide as possible. Feel free to participate in any thread that you wish.

God Bless, Rad

Welcome Maggie, it's great to have you here..

God Bless,
Stacie

Hi Maggie!
I'm a beginning beginner, this is a safe place to learn!
Blessings, Heather

Hi Practice Chart Group,

For those who have been participating in our last practice paradigm I need to know if there is anything else that any of you want to add to it, or ask about it. And, if not, if we are ready to proceed into a new paradigm to practice with.

God Bless, Rad

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Hi Rad,

A couple of follow ups in red....  A very big thank you for your initial feedback and for the responses to come....

Peace,
Ellen


Yes, but it's also entirely possible in this paradigm that the Soul forms relationships with others in general, and an intimate other specifically, wherein there is a equally shared philosophical/ religious understanding of the universe, or Creation. Thus, the aloneness would not exist at all when this occurs.
Hi Rad,  An intimate other specifically simply because this is one of the various "partner" possibilities and so this is just one way to look at it?  Or should I always be thinking "intimate" with 7th house....?  (I had always understood the 7th house to be about "partnership" and the 8th house to be more about intimacy, that is why I'm asking - to clear up some confusion on my part...
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Perhaps the sense of special purpose that this Soul has felt has prevented him from being able to let go of the role of teacher or student, thus perpetuating the inner feeling of loneliness born out of the intrinsic inequality of these kinds of relationships. 

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Relative to just the Pluto in the 9th, and the S.Node in the 7th, there is nothing within those symbols that correlate to any sense of a 'special purpose'.

This one is also confusing to me... I thought intrinsic to the 9th house was a sense of special purpose?  I am not understanding why it would not be so in this case? Something to do with the 7th house SN???  JWG quote: "As with Pluto in all natural fire houses, the Ninth House placement gives the individual the feeling that they have a special destiny or identity..." (p. 165, v. 1)


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There also seems to be another potential bind here.  This Soul will have an intuitive understanding of something, but perhaps not yet the ability to communicate what he knows.

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This would only occur if the Soul was born into a culture, society, or tribe in which the consensus and  prevailing 'beliefs' of those groups created a sense of alienation within the Soul. The sense of alienation is born out of the 9th House Pluto. When that becomes the operational archetype then, yes, the Soul is intuitively sensing something deeper, larger, and different than those existing and prevailing beliefs of the group that it is born into. This then can create the affect of what you have said: the ability to communicate what the Soul intuitively feels or knows.

Thinking out loud here...So the PPP in 3rd in this case would be...?  Seeking information as a means of expanding on what s/he already knows???
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  Combining this with the sense of special destiny this Soul may feel, and also with the tendency toward inequality and extremes in the Libra archetype, the Soul may feel superior to others, thus preventing the realization of the true intent of the Libran archetype: equality.



PPP in the 3rd House

The Soul in this lifetime is desiring to learn how to communicate to others what it intuitively knows.  This desire, whether conscious or not, will continually lead this Soul to explore more left-brained, analytical systems of thought that help him to give voice to what he knows in ways that others can understand.  I am thinking that the 3rd house archetype would indicate that in this lifetime he is less likely to travel far and wide but instead will encounter resistance in his more immediate community/environment and that it will be these encounters that will stimulate his need/desire to pursue ways and learning that will allow him to articulate what he knows so that others can understand.

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The existing paradigm does not correlate to restricting the travel of this Soul. Wherever the Soul is the archetype and analysis you are describing would occur. This polarity point can also mean, for example, that the Soul is literally designing a life in which it's existing philosophical understandings of life, which the Soul may attempt to prove and ram down people's throats in order for the Soul to feel secure, is aggressively challenged and confronted by others. The intent within this is of course for the Soul to expand upon it's own understanding of life, or to eliminate it completely and begin the process of searching for that philosophical meaning of life all over again.

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Perhaps in prior lives his position was such (royalty?) that he didn't need to be concerned with whether or not others understood him.  But in this life that is not the case.  Even his siblings will require that he explain his understanding in a way that they can understand.

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There is nothing in this paradigm to suggest royalty. It is possible however that in previous lives the Soul has been in positions within it's culture, tribe, or society of origin in which the very nature of the position correlated to authority in some way so that whatever was emanating from the Soul by way of 'teachings' was not challenged.
jWould prominence be a better word than royalty?  You mention authority.  I am wondering if that is in the form of, or the result of prominence.  I am asking because I equate authority to Saturn.  I am thinking 9th house/Jupiter might correlate more to prominence (I think this is what I was after when I came up with royalty...)


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And dependency for those relationships, equal or not.................

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Very good effort Ellen.

God Bless, Rad
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Hi Maggie,

Welcome!  I'm a newbie too...   

Welcome Maggie.  Looking forward to learning with you!
Ellen

Hi Ellen,

Quote from: Ellen on Dec 14, 2010, 06:48 PM

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Hi Rad,

A couple of follow ups in red....  A very big thank you for your initial feedback and for the responses to come....

Peace,
Ellen


Yes, but it's also entirely possible in this paradigm that the Soul forms relationships with others in general, and an intimate other specifically, wherein there is a equally shared philosophical/ religious understanding of the universe, or Creation. Thus, the aloneness would not exist at all when this occurs.
Hi Rad,  An intimate other specifically simply because this is one of the various "partner" possibilities and so this is just one way to look at it?  Or should I always be thinking "intimate" with 7th house....?  (I had always understood the 7th house to be about "partnership" and the 8th house to be more about intimacy, that is why I'm asking - to clear up some confusion on my part...
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The 7th House and Libra is the archetypes in which we INITIATE relationships with others which can include intimacy, and the 8th House and Scorpio correlate to making choices with whom to be with on a long term basis .. such as marriage. Thus, the 7th House/Libra correlates to initiating relationships and being in them for certain amounts of times which can include intimacy. The partners that emerge from this that we would consider possible 'life partners' would be an 8th House/Scorpio archetype.

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Perhaps the sense of special purpose that this Soul has felt has prevented him from being able to let go of the role of teacher or student, thus perpetuating the inner feeling of loneliness born out of the intrinsic inequality of these kinds of relationships. 

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Relative to just the Pluto in the 9th, and the S.Node in the 7th, there is nothing within those symbols that correlate to any sense of a 'special purpose'.

This one is also confusing to me... I thought intrinsic to the 9th house was a sense of special purpose?  I am not understanding why it would not be so in this case? Something to do with the 7th house SN???  JWG quote: "As with Pluto in all natural fire houses, the Ninth House placement gives the individual the feeling that they have a special destiny or identity..." (p. 165, v. 1)

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You are right. I forgot about this, but it is true. Sorry.

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There also seems to be another potential bind here.  This Soul will have an intuitive understanding of something, but perhaps not yet the ability to communicate what he knows.

******************************************

This would only occur if the Soul was born into a culture, society, or tribe in which the consensus and  prevailing 'beliefs' of those groups created a sense of alienation within the Soul. The sense of alienation is born out of the 9th House Pluto. When that becomes the operational archetype then, yes, the Soul is intuitively sensing something deeper, larger, and different than those existing and prevailing beliefs of the group that it is born into. This then can create the affect of what you have said: the ability to communicate what the Soul intuitively feels or knows.

Thinking out loud here...So the PPP in 3rd in this case would be...?  Seeking information as a means of expanding on what s/he already knows???

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Yes, and that can include relative to that 9th House Pluto traveling to other places or lands for the same purpose.

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  Combining this with the sense of special destiny this Soul may feel, and also with the tendency toward inequality and extremes in the Libra archetype, the Soul may feel superior to others, thus preventing the realization of the true intent of the Libran archetype: equality.

PPP in the 3rd House

The Soul in this lifetime is desiring to learn how to communicate to others what it intuitively knows.  This desire, whether conscious or not, will continually lead this Soul to explore more left-brained, analytical systems of thought that help him to give voice to what he knows in ways that others can understand.  I am thinking that the 3rd house archetype would indicate that in this lifetime he is less likely to travel far and wide but instead will encounter resistance in his more immediate community/environment and that it will be these encounters that will stimulate his need/desire to pursue ways and learning that will allow him to articulate what he knows so that others can understand.

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The existing paradigm does not correlate to restricting the travel of this Soul. Wherever the Soul is the archetype and analysis you are describing would occur. This polarity point can also mean, for example, that the Soul is literally designing a life in which it's existing philosophical understandings of life, which the Soul may attempt to prove and ram down people's throats in order for the Soul to feel secure, is aggressively challenged and confronted by others. The intent within this is of course for the Soul to expand upon it's own understanding of life, or to eliminate it completely and begin the process of searching for that philosophical meaning of life all over again.

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Perhaps in prior lives his position was such (royalty?) that he didn't need to be concerned with whether or not others understood him.  But in this life that is not the case.  Even his siblings will require that he explain his understanding in a way that they can understand.

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There is nothing in this paradigm to suggest royalty. It is possible however that in previous lives the Soul has been in positions within it's culture, tribe, or society of origin in which the very nature of the position correlated to authority in some way so that whatever was emanating from the Soul by way of 'teachings' was not challenged.

jWould prominence be a better word than royalty?  You mention authority.  I am wondering if that is in the form of, or the result of prominence.  I am asking because I equate authority to Saturn.  I am thinking 9th house/Jupiter might correlate more to prominence (I think this is what I was after when I came up with royalty...)

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Yes, an example of that would be a teacher for example, or a minister, etc.

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God Bless, Rad

Thanks, Rad!  All of what you wrote makes perfect sense to me.  Thank you for sticking it out with me!

Peace,
Ellen

Hi Practice Chart Group,

For those who have been participating in our last practice paradigm I need to know if there is anything else that any of you want to add to it, or ask about it. And, if not, if we are ready to proceed into a new paradigm to practice with.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I'm ready to move on.......

Ellen

Hi Rad,

Thank you for your feedback on my last Practice Chart;  I did not have the time to re-do it, but as usual I learned a great deal from your feedback.  I learned where I am missing some understandings in the Pluto dynamic, what I have gotten correct, areas that can be improved, and further understandings to grasp down the line, etc.

Yes, I am ready for the next paradigm, but will apply myself to it soon after I complete the Planetary Nodes assignment.  

We have a few new people - welcome to all! - and I'm looking forward very much to this next Practice Chart assignment!

Hi Rad,Hi everyone! hoping you get this!

Hi there Rad..... and all those who welcomed the new student from over the pond! This is an attatchment 'cos I seem to delete the work when I try to post it.. so ..here goes!.Im not sure if my language/terminology is in harmony with the paridigm but Its my way to osmose the information (Sag Moon!)..Its basic ..acknowledging there are few examples of evolutionary states..but its a start.. so I'll just let it flow if thats ok.

The 11th house Pluto The souls evolutionary desires that have preceeded the present life.This 11th house soul has been learning to break free from the 10th house (Capricorn/Saturn) restrictions..its customs religions,taboos etc, the 11th house soul has an inherent ability to 'think outside the box' but must learn that this does not mean it has to necessarily stand outside the box.The 11th house soul has the capability to transform (Uranus) an idea/concept.. into a tangable/reality (Saturn).How the individual does this will be dependant on its evolutionary state and its level of pre-conditioning ....as is the nature of the 11th house Pluto;  it can alienate itself totally, fearing its uniqueness will be lost...or worse.. that it will be ostrasized because of its view/ideals/etc. The 11th house soul must learn that it has the ability through the duality of its Saturn/ Uranus energy to be both objective and attatched by acknowledging and actualising its need to embrace the NN polarity (Libra/ Venus) and the group/relationship dynamic of the 7th. This is where the soul learns that it need not be 'alone' in its' aloneness' despite the past life traumas/crisis/..its concious/ unconcious memory of being ostracized for its views/beliefs/ideologies..whatever the resistance to move toward the polarity....If this soul can embrace that polarity it will realise that both 'revolution' and 'evolution' the Saturn/Uranus mix can quite happily walk together. The result of which can not only bring about transformation for the individual but for mankind as a whole. Many 11th house souls have the potential blue print for genius..and whatever potential a soul has.. is should be shared/ cherished and utilized in such a way as to benefit the collective.

SN in the 1st (Aires/Mars)This is mode of operation/egocentric structure that the soul has used to actualise the desires that are inherent in the 11th house soul in the very recent past. With the SN in the 1st house this soul is filled with an instinctive 'New born' energy..it rushes into the life with a feeling of special destiny..and asks itself..Who am ? What am I?..    A brand new cycle has begun..this soul will not be restricted! So..relative to the 11th house this 'rebel without a clue' instinctively/naturally throws itself towards another/others and life experience to have those questions answered...and consequently a validation of 'self'.Through the very natural magnetisim of the souls' Mars energy others are naturally drawn to them, and all manner of encounters will occur.Whether these encounters are physical/psychological/social ...  true to their nature; when they have found those answers  and they have exhausted their need to experience those others/other 1st house soul can quite happily be on its way again! Its instinctive nature and the evolutionary intent has been; and will be; that of freedom and adventure to discover who it is, what it is..to express its opinions with boundless energy; unhindered... but what goes up ,must come down and it is when crisis and disillusionment sets in and the why? cannot be answered from within 'self' ..it is then that the soul will learn its Pluto lesson! It has exhausted its own instinctual limitations and because of its inherent fear of losing its freedoms/uniqueness (11th house Uranus) and thereby its inner security /reality (Saturn) it will also realise that a balance will need to be struck... the need for personal freedom and the need to share self and by doing so nurture/care for 'self' (Aires) and others (Libra). By the accepting/embracing of another/others( NN 7th ) and the realisation that the unique individuality still remains and is met with unconditional acceptance of its differences..its unique self, its spontanaety.. this is where the soul learns the evolutionary lesson of 'acceptance and tolerance'..the concept of 'giving and recieving' of 'equality and relativity'..this lesson is learned through the NN polarity of the7th house.

PPP 5th house(Leo/Sun).This will correlate to the soul core desires and the bottom line of the souls evolution in the present life. It is through the power of the Leo/Sun energy of the 5th; that the 11th house soul can achieve its evolutionary goal. It is through sheer will and self determined effort, that the NN 7th polarity can be realised. This Sun/Leo energy endows this soul with an ability to harness these innovative ideas and inventions for the good of others/society/planet. Relative to the souls evolutionary state; distortions of this power have proven throughout history to be be disastrous and cataclysmic..The distortion occurs when there is development of egocentic self orientation... whereby; through self interest; these ideas/new concepts and beliefs benefit only the'self'.By willingness to find the balance through the 1st/7th polarity;and integrating self/sharing self.. and those ideas/concepts and ideologies this soul can transform (Uranus) these innovations/ ideas and concepts into a tangable reality(Saturn) It is through the power of the Sun and its 5th house energy with its inspiring Leonian strength/determination that the 11th house soul can then actualize its special destiny using both its objectivive viewpoint in a subjective way.... for the good of self/others/society/planet.

The NN in the 7th house (libra) the soul will corellate to how this evolutionary journey will be actualised, its mode of operation and the egocentric structure it has created to continue its evolutionary journey in this life.It is by comparison and 'self' evaluation (1st/Aires) this soul will determine its individuality (11th house) within a group/relationship. It will learn humility and an ability to share both its time (1st house) and its powerful and inspiring 5th house energy with another/group and relate in a balanced way to other/ others.. It is here that the soul learns that its uniqueness does not require it to stand outside the box..there is room inside and that its uniqueness, is in fact celebrated and accepted unconditionally.

Light for the journey Rad
Kindest, Maggie

Hi Maggie,

I posted your analysis so others could also see and share. You have made a wonderful first effort. All that you have stated is within the realm of the total archetypal possibilities of this paradigm. Good for you Maggie.

God Bless, Rad