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Hi Linda

Quote from: Linda on Nov 06, 2010, 02:40 PM
You say the polarity point (or house) needs "activation."  Does this mean that this polarity point actually lies DORMANT in the psyche, that the Soul is already aware of it, hence the Soul (Pluto) forces one to activate the polarity point in order to expand, to transmute the existing limitation, to learn new lessons and new ways?

In a way you could say its dormant, in that it is a potential.  Basically it means these are qualities the Soul has not yet become aware of, or has not yet integrated into its nature.  The Soul is, directly or indirectly, aware of the polarity point, since the Soul picked the Pluto location in the first place.  As the polarity point is inherent in any planet's location, the Soul by definition was aware it was also picking the polarity point.  Rad had discussion of this within the last week on another thread.  The principle of polarity point applies to all planets, not just to Pluto.  That is how evolution unfolds - its part of Natural Law, how things were created by Creator.

QuoteAre there examples where the polarity point has already been activated in the past, eg a planet conjunct the polarity point?

I wouldn't word it as "already been activated" because once the polarity point is fully activated, it is likely there would be little or no growth there.  Because the point has been learning the lessons.  Once we have learned the lessons the Soul would go on to some other position it felt it did not have down and wanted to work on developing.  I would word what you are saying as effort had been put towards activating the polarity.  

One that comes to mind is Pluto squaring Nodes, skipped steps, when effort would have gone into moving forward in the past.    Pluto conjunct NN, as you mentioned.  But also, remembering that the nodes are the vehicle the Soul uses TO evolve, when you see signs movement towards the north node had occurred in the past - rulers of both nodes conjunct, or conjunct the opposing node as examples - then you can see that the effort was actually towards activating the Pluto polarity point.  In other words, a way the Soul moves towards its polarity point is through the personality moving towards its north node/NN ruler.  That indirectly CAUSES the Soul to learn to do its Pluto point in new ways - the new ways learned relate to Pluto's polarity point.  

QuoteI thought that the "old stagnant behaviours" needed healing or purging, but you are saying that the healing process comes about through the opposite house through interaction with actual events, occurrences and other persons that force one to become aware of the "newness" of the opposite house and its issues, which then lead to expressing this opposite house or polarity in a completely new way.  And this process then brings about evolution?

That IS the process of evolution, in action!   The ""old stagnant behaviours" DO need healing or purging.  It is through developing the Pluto polarity point that the healing or purging occurs.  And, as I added this additional piece, that occurs through developing the North Node, and the North Node's ruler by house and sign.  That is HOW the Soul learns, and learns to heal, and learns the necessity of what needs to be purged, which lead to the evolution.

QuoteThe whole issue of POLARITY is interesting, because that naturally correlates to the Libran archetype.  So, no matter what house Pluto or Scorpio are in, there is a requirement to "embrace" the polarity, in other words, to create a relationship to that which is opposite, the "other," other people, other aspects of oneself that seem to be hidden, but that need development.

That is true for every planet, not just Pluto.  If you go through Pluto Vol 2 chapters on Mars and Venus you read descriptions of what its like for Mars/Venus in a house to activate their polarity house.  Its not limited to just Mars and Venus.  You can look at it as the opposite house in some ways is in the shadow, the other side of self, the side not yet consciously acknowledged.  Remember that the principle of what causes us to feel secure is WHAT WE KNOW.  That which is 180 degrees away from what we know, from what causes us to feel secure, feels like the most insecure unsafe place we can possibly go.  At first it feels completely foreign.   Later, as the person starts accepting and getting familiar with the "other side", they can grow to really like what previously felt frightening.  You have to get used to it, gradually.  Then you start to see it is the mirror side of who you have always been, that has been denied, disowned, repressed for a long time.  Yet its always been there.

QuoteHow can one co-operate with Pluto?  What does it mean?  Could you please clarify or confirm the different responses to evolution, such as:  
-- embracing the polarity point
-- working through the karma
-- responding more readily to the prompts (higher evo. states)
-- cataclysmic events that speed the process

So, working on the polarity point "in our heads" could reflect patriarchal bias or rationalizations that cause avoidance by not "feeling" what is happening.  It has been said that the Scorpio archetype is able to "feel" intensely, and that we need the water element (Cancer-Scorpio-Pisces) for evolution to take place.

Well, stated without any judgment, some of the way you are wording this reflects, to me, too mental an orientation.  These are not things one really has to think a lot about.   The gist of it is that when we are not resisting the flow of life, evolution simply happens, in and of itself, since it is the whole point of life.

People are already doing the best they know how to do, in terms of cooperating with evolutionary intentions.   The cataclysmic events that occur in a life are not forced on us from outside - they are chosen by the Soul, in some cases to blow the top off the blocked off dam.  Those who are destined to grow (and having a desire nature that is deeply tuned to WANTING to grow is a sign of destined to grow, since everything that happens is a manifest of a desire) are going to get the experiences they need TO grow - it simply happens.  

No one is going to miss their life purpose - by that I mean you don't get just one notice in the mail and if you miss it, sorry about that lost incarnation.  We receive message after message after message.  So if one misses the first 23, they still keep coming.  The problem is, most people ignore the first 23 and the next 16, until finally that Soul that really wants to grow creates a cataclysmic event that is a lot harder to ignore or rationalize away.  Then of course the first place most of us go is to feel like a victim, that these things are being done to me, and "what did I do?" (feeling innocent).

How you grow is just stop resisting.  The biggest Scorpio issue I find is that most of us have for all practical purposes lost trust in LIFE ITSELF, thus God/dess.  We think we have to struggle alone, that life is hard, that it doesn't care that we are suffering, that it keeps putting us through all these things, etc etc.  

I certainly lived that way.  Until at some point, looking back in hindsight, I realized to my astonishment that all the difficult things that had happened had actually been for my benefit, all along.  That I had been asking life for years and years to explain certain things to me, to help me to understand.  The problem was, the limitation was in ME - the answers had always been there.  But I was not in a place where I could hear them.  So life had been trying to grant my request, to answer my questions, all along.  But before I could hear the answers, I needed to be somewhat rearranged, to create the space in me where I COULD hear the answers.  

Now that rearranging process was quite painful for a while, and I did not understand that a) it was a process, and b) why I needed to go through it, and c) that indirectly I myself was the person who had "ordered" it.  Jeffrey used to teach that in a Pluto transit you could not, during the transit, understand the Why of what was going on.  That understanding could only come later.  I found that to be true.  As I grasped more of "why" as the years went by, and realized I could now understand more of the answers to my questions that I could now see had always been there, my trust in the Process of Evolution, a/k/a Goddess, started to grow.  I began to see I had never truly been on my own without assistance from Life, regardless that it sometimes felt that way.

I wrote this long description to explain as answer to your question, how does one cooperate with Pluto?  You have to come to see that "Pluto" is on your side, that what it asks is for your own good, is taking you to where you truly and deeply (Pluto) want to go.  Coming to see this can not be done through the intellect.  You can understand the principle, but then you have to live it.

The analogy coming to mind is a young mother-to-be reading books about giving birth to a child.  Any woman who has given birth naturally knows there is quite a difference between reading about birth in a book and actually giving birth.  And they also know there is no way to know what giving birth is actually like until you have actually given birth.

Quite similarly, at a certain point, based on the strength of desire, a person can find themselves pushed into an experience or series of experiences that fundamentally change them.  It will take time to integrate those experiences.  As they do, they fundamentally change.  And then there are not as many questions about how to cooperate with Pluto, because one has learned from experience 1) how to cooperate, and 2) the necessity of cooperating.  As they say, past a certain point, resistance is futile.

You learn it through life lessons, occasional hard knocks, until finally the light starts coming on.  That kicks off a gradual deep shift in the consciousness. After that shift, fears of abandonment and betrayal by Life itself lessen, and it comes to see that continually being asked to step into an ever new unknown is simply the actual way that life works.  That is the reason and purpose for life. It's the essence of evolution itself.  From our perspective, Evolution and God/dess are one and the same.  If you want to move towards God/dess, you do it by evolving.  When we are resisting (for too long a period, as opposed to resting or inwardly integrating) we are not moving towards God/dess, quite the opposite.  No matter what stories we tell ourselves about what we are doing.  So those who want to move towards God/dess learn it is through letting go that we accomplish that.

The more that attitude is internalized  (and it happens all by itself when the inner adjustments are being made) the less the tendency to resist. When we are not resisting, we are by definition embracing the Pluto polarity point and the intentions of the North Node and its ruler.  Because that is where the Flow of Life naturally leads when we are not trying to dam, stop, control, or manipulate it.  All we really need to do is get out of the way and let it take us where it intends for us to go.

QuoteWould you or anyone care to comment on the need for the "water" element for evolution to take place?

When one is embracing life in the ways I described above, they are naturally embracing the water element, because what I described can only be embraced emotionally.  It can not ever be embraced mentally, intellectually.  Those are ideas, thoughts, concepts.  When they are embraced emotionally those concepts are beyond concept.  They become part of who I am.  I become those concepts in action.  That is what embracing the PPP, NN and ruler means.  You don't try to do it.  You dare to step into the unknown again and again, and out of that it just happens, over time.
Steve

Steve, I have a question about the following statement which is excerpted from your post immediately above:

"When we are resisting (for too long a period, as opposed to resting or inwardly integrating) we are not moving towards God/dess, quite the opposite.  No matter what stories we tell ourselves about what we are doing.  So those who want to move towards God/dess learn it is through letting go that we accomplish that."

How do you distinguish between resisting/resting/inwardly integrating?

Thanks for that great post and any answer you can provide.

Steve,

Thank you so much for your comprehensive answers.

Steve's quote:  The Soul is, directly or indirectly, aware of the polarity point, since the Soul picked the Pluto location in the first place.

Yes, of course, thank you for this reminder!

Steve's quote:  The principle of polarity point applies to all planets, not just to Pluto.  That is how evolution unfolds - its part of Natural Law, how things were created by Creator.

It was great reading that the principle of polarity is part of Natural Law.  

Steve, during the time of the patriarchy (which I choose to feel/believe is now over) was it possible that the process of evolution itself was distorted by humankind in some way?  That the Collective Souls lost faith in life and in their Creator, and therefore in the principles or truths of life that are called Natural Laws.  If such a distortion coinciding with the beginning of the patriarchy did take place, would we get understanding by looking at the Nodes of Saturn?  What do you think?  (Perhaps this question should be directed to the Planetary Nodes thread.)

During the times when the matriarchy was well established, I imagine that humans co-operated much more readily with evolution, that it was experienced as a natural occurrence given them by the Creator, and that they offered less resistance.  

Steve's quote: Later, as the person starts accepting and getting familiar with the "other side", they can grow to really like what previously felt frightening.  You have to get used to it, gradually.  Then you start to see it is the mirror side of who you have always been, that has been denied, disowned, repressed for a long time.  Yet its always been there.

And on some level within us, we learn to cooperate because we know it is for our higher good.  It completely ceases to be frightening - in fact, it could be seen/felt as quite an adventure!

Steve's quote:  No one is going to miss their life purpose - by that I mean you don't get just one notice in the mail and if you miss it, sorry about that lost incarnation.  

 I have already had (deeply felt and understood why) many evolutionary experiences, but feel the need to be able to put those experiences "into words" to pass on the information for the benefit of others.  

Steve's quote:  Jeffrey used to teach that in a Pluto transit you could not, during the transit, understand the Why of what was going on.  That understanding could only come later.  

So, if we, as astrologers, explain "why" to those who seek us out, do you think this means they are taking a short-cut, or would this information really benefit them?  I truly think this information is of benefit to others.

Steve's quote:  You have to come to see that "Pluto" is on your side, that what it asks is for your own good, is taking you to where you truly and deeply (Pluto) want to go.  Coming to see this can not be done through the intellect.  You can understand the principle, but then you have to live it.

I also think it's important for those we are helping to understand the principle - but then, of course, they also need to understand they have to live it for evolution to take true effect.

Steve's quote: The analogy coming to mind is a young mother-to-be reading books about giving birth to a child.

This is a great analogy Steve.  

Steve's quote:  And then there are not as many questions about how to cooperate with Pluto, because one has learned from experience 1) how to cooperate, and 2) the necessity of cooperating.  As they say, past a certain point, resistance is futile.

The basis of my questions has been how to help those who come to me/us for readings.
 
Steve's quote:  From our perspective, Evolution and God/dess are one and the same.  If you want to move towards God/dess, you do it by evolving.

Once again, I have experienced everything you've said, but my main concern was how to pass on this information to others.  (Do you think perhaps it may be a good idea that we start a new topic in the future:  "How to assist clients"  because I'm sure everyone has their own approach, which would be great to share here.)

Steve's quote:   When they are embraced emotionally those concepts are beyond concept.  They become part of who I am.  

And I would add that it would be helpful if the astrologer was an empath with the ability to have compassion towards other beings.

So we educate ourselves as to the infinite combinations of karmic signatures, so as to be able to help others.  We draw on our own experiences, even though most of these signatures have not been our personal ones. 

Hi Bluesky

Quote from: bluesky on Nov 06, 2010, 04:46 PM
Steve, I have a question about the following statement which is excerpted from your post immediately above:

"When we are resisting (for too long a period, as opposed to resting or inwardly integrating) we are not moving towards God/dess, quite the opposite.  No matter what stories we tell ourselves about what we are doing.  So those who want to move towards God/dess learn it is through letting go that we accomplish that."

How do you distinguish between resisting/resting/inwardly integrating?

Thanks for that great post and any answer you can provide.

You are welcome.

I would say you just know.  The point is, when someone reaches the point where they are actively seeking to deal with the things I wrote about, they have reached the point where they are tired of playing games and faking it, and are ready to stop creating their own b.s.

It is interesting- if one is a big Leo type, much of their b.s. is going to be about too much ego.  While if one is a major Virgo type, their b.s. is going to be the compulsive need to put self down, never give self credit, never see any value in what they do.  From the outside that looks like so much humility. THAT IS NOT humility!  Past a point, putting one's self down too much is avoidance, is just as much b.s. as being on a big ego trip.  Although in some ways socially more acceptable - that is the con the self is playing with too much putting self down - you get away with never really having to try, there is always a reasonable sounding explanation for staying the same.

When the person reaches the point where they are sick of that m.o. within self, then they start to change.  I sometimes say, when the pain of staying the same becomes stronger than the fear of changing, then the changes start.  When one gets to that point they start to trust themselves, start to get real with self.  Then you just know when your need for rest is legitimate, when the physical and emotional apparatus just can not take any more on in the present moment.  That is a legitimate space for timeout, rest.  The person also knows, by the way it feels inside, when its time to get moving again.  In remaining at rest when I know its time to move on, rest is now resistance.

Similarly for integration.  It takes time to EMOTIONALLY integrate new information, new stimulus.  At times that may require downtime.  If its a Saturn or Cap or 10th house transit, we call it reflection, for example.  There are legitimate periods for integration, down time, within natural law.  When we are in an integrating period, that is not resistance.  If I overstay and hang out in integration space when I feel inside it is time to move on, that is resistance.  You just know.  When you learn to trust what you are feeling, you just know.    That is why the Virgo thing has to be dealt with, so one stops feeling guilty every time they are taking a legitimate break for rest or integration.  But then, you can't use that as an excuse or justification either.  You either feel it is there and right in that moment, or you don't.  If you are resting and the inner feeling is to keep moving, that may well be resistance.
Steve

Hi Linda

Quote from: Linda on Nov 06, 2010, 06:18 PM
Steve, during the time of the patriarchy (which I choose to feel/believe is now over) was it possible that the process of evolution itself was distorted by humankind in some way?  That the Collective Souls lost faith in life and in their Creator, and therefore in the principles or truths of life that are called Natural Laws.  If such a distortion coinciding with the beginning of the patriarchy did take place, would we get understanding by looking at the Nodes of Saturn?  What do you think?  (Perhaps this question should be directed to the Planetary Nodes thread.)

You can choose to feel and believe the time of patriarchy is over, but billions of people are affected, today, by the patriarchal conditions that exist all over this planet, in every single country.  If you mean that the time of patriarchy is winding down, in terms of hundreds of years, well perhaps there is something to that.  But that reality, that patriarchy is over, is being experienced by very few people of the 7 billion now on this planet.

A natural process is beyond the ability of humankind to distort. What is natural is natural.  It was created by Creator as it is.  Humans can create beliefs that cause billions of humans to act in ways that are NOT aligned with Natural Law - that we call human distortion of natural law.  It does not mean the natural law itself has become distorted.  It means humans have forgotten what the natural law is and have adopted thoroughly artificial human-created realities, coming to believe they are normal/natural.  That does not make them natural/normal.  Even if 100% of humans act that way, it does not change the natural principle.  That is why we call it a Natural Law - it is the way things actually are, regardless of any human's beliefs or actions.

QuoteDuring the times when the matriarchy was well established, I imagine that humans co-operated much more readily with evolution, that it was experienced as a natural occurrence given them by the Creator, and that they offered less resistance.

That is about the definition of matriarchal times.  It doesn't mean they were perfect - a wild animal might eat one of the village's children.  Lightning might burn down your hut.  It means such experiences were received from a completely different perspective than they are typically received now.

QuoteSteve's quote:  Jeffrey used to teach that in a Pluto transit you could not, during the transit, understand the Why of what was going on.  That understanding could only come later.  

So, if we, as astrologers, explain "why" to those who seek us out, do you think this means they are taking a short-cut, or would this information really benefit them?  I truly think this information is of benefit to others.

To me it means what I already said - if you explain it to them, they might be able to grasp what you are saying on the mental plane, in the brain, intellectually.  But they are not going to be able to TRULY understand what it means in a useful way until they have gone through the necessary changes and then EMOTIONALLY integrated them.  My example is, you are not going to find many third graders who can learn trigonometry. By the time they are in high school this becomes more possible.

Personally I don't feel that conveying information that can only be comprehended on the mental level is really of a lot of value to a client.  All of us already know far too many facts and theories on how we should be that is not where we are.  What value does adding to that pile of unused information really add?  On the other hand, I do acknowledge that ingested information can at some point integrate into emotional knowledge/reality.  As long as you and the client are clear that all they are grasping is intellectual information (at that point) and they do not feel that because they grasp it mentally this means they have now mastered the principle, then no harm is done.  Personally I have no hard and fast rules with clients.  What is quite appropriate to say to one client may be very inappropriate to say to another. I have just learned/continue learning to know from within whom to say what to.

Steve

Steve,

Thank you for clarifying so much for me today gained through your wisdom and personal experiences.

Can we discuss the realm of feelings versus emotions as i relates to Scorpio.  In Patricia Walsh's book she discusses Taurus as being more the archetype that contains feelings, and Cancer as the emotions, and yet I am getting that Scorpio is deep emotion as well, or maybe perhaps the reaction to the emotion. I haven't quite found my way through this one. The terms feeling is indeed a vague term as is emotion and perhaps there is no definitive answer. 

Also in response to Linda:

QuoteWould you or anyone care to comment on the need for the "water" element for evolution to take place? 

The node thread really brought to light the sensation of consciousness being on continuum, like a river or stream, and evolution is the travelling in and on this stream just like floating down a river on you back, or fighting against the current...the past is upstream, and the future is downstream, all water and all connected ultimately back to the ocean...
Heather

Hi Heather

Quote from: mountainheather on Nov 09, 2010, 02:49 PM
Can we discuss the realm of feelings versus emotions as i relates to Scorpio.  In Patricia Walsh's book she discusses Taurus as being more the archetype that contains feelings, and Cancer as the emotions, and yet I am getting that Scorpio is deep emotion as well, or maybe perhaps the reaction to the emotion. I haven't quite found my way through this one. The terms feeling is indeed a vague term as is emotion and perhaps there is no definitive answer. 

The EA perspective is that feelings is Libra and emotion is Cancer and the other water signs.  Cancer is the ego/personality, Scorpio is the Soul, and Pisces is Source.  They are the water signs, and the pathway back to divinity is through the emotions.

The difference between feelings and emotion is feelings are more on the surface, the instant reaction.  Emotion is the reaction to the reaction, often coming later.  Jeffrey used to give the example of a person comes home and tells their partner they are attracted to someone else.  The Libra part of the partner might respond with "oh, ok, I'm happy for you".  But the partner has a Scorpio moon, and when the reality of what was said sinks into the Scorpio moon, that is not going to be their reaction.  The Libra part is the feelings, the Scorpio part the emotions.
Steve

Hi Heather, I just wanted to expand upon what steve wrote.

I think I understand where this can be confusing.
The moon corresponds to the emotional body itself. It is our emotions that indicate to us who we think we are. The emotional responses that arise, moment to moment, are the indications of a soul's self identity, the ego. This is a very conscious and tangible experience. JWG describes the Moon/nodes as a movie lens projector that allows the soul, which is timeless and formless, to inhabit a particular form. Without the movie film projector the film would just be diffuse light. It's a unique ego that the soul creates as the vehicle for it's evolutionary journey here on earth.

To demonstrate this, simply reflect on the nature of your own Moon placement. This is a very conscious experience.

Now Pluto, IS an emotional experience! However it does not correlate to the emotional body itself. How does a soul consciously integrate the unconscious impulses emanating from Pluto, the soul? The answer is through the Moon (and its nodes).

Looking at the water triad, there is a naturally emotional nature to all 3 water archetypes, yet the only one that corresponds to the emotional body itself, ie the ego, is the Moon.

As I undestand, in ea feelings are both taurus and libra as conected through Venus. In the example JWG gave that Steve mentioned, he was referring to a soul who has Venus in Libra and Moon in scorpio.
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Quote from: mountainheather on Nov 09, 2010, 02:49 PMThe node thread really brought to light the sensation of consciousness being on continuum, like a river or stream, and evolution is the travelling in and on this stream just like floating down a river on you back, or fighting against the current...the past is upstream, and the future is downstream, all water and all connected ultimately back to the ocean...

Heather,

That was a great analogy.  Thanks.


Ari,

Your added explanation really helps me understand all 3 Water signs.  Thanks.

Oh and I wanted to mention, as a soul with a Scorpio moon and Venus in Libra- I can really relate to that particular example!  

Venus, as our feeling nature, can literally be related to the realm of inner and outer senses. It's what we pick up, what we connect with. The moon, as our emotional body literally tells us who we create ourselves to be as a response to the stimuli of our life.

Hi everyone,

Laura Nalbandian on Guiding Stars Radio recently spoke about the function of Venus and how important it was to be authentic in relationships by finding ones that could meet "essential needs."  Paraphrased from that interview:

"Venus in Scorpio has an essential need for control or has an essential need for transformation and intensity.  If those needs for intensity can't be met in a constructive manner, then they will be met in a destructive way.  Those needs will attract relationships that will stimulate the destructive elements, if they cannot be expressed in a healthy way."

"Essential needs are defined by the fact that we feel we aren't going to survive, or that life doesn't hold as much value or purpose if those essential needs are not met.  They seem to be encoded into a survival mechanism (Taurus)."

Scorpio is such a passionate sign.  To merge with "powerful" symbols will provide the intensity and transformation it seeks, and allow it to express its own depths.  Scorpionic sexuality is all-consuming and very intense...and probably one of the essential needs for this sign.

Quote from: ari moshe on Nov 10, 2010, 11:20 AM
Now Pluto, IS an emotional experience! However it does not correlate to the emotional body itself. How does a soul consciously integrate the unconscious impulses emanating from Pluto, the soul? The answer is through the Moon (and its nodes).

Looking at the water triad, there is a naturally emotional nature to all 3 water archetypes, yet the only one that corresponds to the emotional body itself, ie the ego, is the Moon.

Wow this is great!  Thanks for asking the question Heather and thanks for your response Ari.  From my own perspective this is so confusing, because I have the Moon in the 8th and Pluto in the 4th conjunct Venus.  So they all feel the same to me.  If I consider my Moon as having the emotional body, my 4th house says, "oh yeah, I don't think so!" 

I appreciate the clarification and break down.  I asked a similar question earlier in the thread, and now I have even more understanding.  Thanks again Ari.

God Bless Everyone

Hi all,
I have a question about Scorpio, specifically as it relates to the idea of sacred sexuality.

I just counseled a soul who has Venus in Scorpio conj the sn in the 12th house. She lived the first part of her life engaging in irresponsible sexual connections with other souls, always seeking to merge with another on the basis of feeling a deep emotional lack within herself, and created very intense power dynamics as a result of that- also deaths of lovers/close friends. All what you'd expect from such a signature.

She's had sex with her fiancée and used a IUD. However, she got pregnant. She surrendered to that and decided to give birth to the baby. And yet the baby miscarried.

I'm not seeking to use her chart as an example, I just wanted to use this as a starting point for understanding what sexuality really is. I feel in current society, west in particular, it's believed that two people can have sex and "beat" the biology of it. This is possible, most of the time, with all the various contraceptives. However, intuitively to me, it feels like an abuse of something sacred; something that is, by its nature, more than just a physical experience.

Scorpio points to sexuality as an entirely emotional experience, one that taps into the very nature of desire. Desire, as an impulse that is predominately unconscious, will manifest as a force that is greater than one's local awareness. The urge for sexual union to me seems like one such manifestation of this- for most souls at least.

What is true sacred sexuality from the Scorpio point of view?

Hi all,
Thank you for the feedback. I am still digesting...like Wendy I also have some layered water archetypes in my chart so I really have to concentrate and let go at the same time to find distinctions
this dialogue is really helping
Heather