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Hi Skywalker, Upasika, Edward, Priya, Helena, Tashi, Marty, and Sree ....

Please let me know if any of you will be contributing to the composite chart of Shaw and Chloe..

God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Rad and Kristin thank you for the kind words and encouragement as well as taking the time to work with us here.

Heather

I will post either this evening or tomorrow.  I've been following and thinking about the composite.

Cheers,

Edward

Dearest Rad, I will work on this and post tomorrow or latest Monday, foggy head cold permitting.  Have been under the weather.  Many thanks, Tashi

hi Rad, I hope you're feeling better,

   here are some thoughts on the composite chart:

   what really jumps out at me is their combined No. Node in Pisces, 8th house, conjunct Uranus. Certainly this would speak to a combined egocentric structure whose evolutionary intent is to receive deep revelation and personal epiphany on a soul level. It seems that there is hope to be very open to the messages of their individuated consciousness emanating from Father / Mother God.

   they would also have the opportunity to re-address and confront the taboos and social moraes of past incarnations. It seems, that by each of them allowing themselves the freedom to seek Creator, in their own way, that they will strengthen their relationships to themselves, individually, and to the relationship as well. Cancer rules their 12th house of ultimate meaning, and with Mars there, they would have the desire to re-invent and re-define who their true parents are.

  could their No. Node  "sudden ending" signature in the 8th house  - also point to a combined soul agreement to forgive themselves and each other in order to evolve through their mutual need to do so? This signature certainly seems like a signature of 'divine' reception.

   they would have the opportunity, also, to realize that they are both a part of something so much greater than each individual (No. Node in Pisces in 8th), and that some of their continuing strength, on a soul-level will come as a recognition and acceptance of their vulnerabilities (Virgo).

   with Pluto in Sagittarius, squaring the nodes, they are both developing new pathways in the brain (Pluto polarity point) to forgive and accept themselves, and each other for just who they are. They are learning to open their minds and psyches to the possibility of all new information and revelatory thought. They are learning not to believe what they have been taught, or what others believe, but to think for themselves.

   the 5th house contains a passion for life. With Plutos' planetary ruler there (Jupiter in Scorpio) they share a mutual passion to inspire each other to expand their belief systems, and to keep expanding them "¦ and not repeat the victimization mindset of the past. In other words, to learn not to limit their thinking in order to strengthen the continuation of their souls' growth.

   Gemini in the 11th house would symbolize unlimited possibilities to liberate the mind, and in this case, the highly subjective self. it would suggest unlimited possibilities to detach, define and liberate from Patriarchal, fear-based beliefs. (This is also seen in the Mercury/Moon signature conjunct Pluto and Saturns South Nodes in the 6th house.)

   the So. Node is the resolution node - it is thru relationship, and sometimes the experience of 'sacrifice' (the loss and crisis symbolized by Ceres in Virgo) that we can come back stronger and learn to survive "¦ develop a stronger, broader immunity through the lessons of relationship.

   the So Node forms a waning square to Pluto, suggesting that Patriarchal belief systems, hierarchical thinking, and fear situations of the past are being re-examined. They would have the opportunity, this lifetime, to re-examine a fear-based past in which it would no longer be necessary to sacrifice one life (or lives) for another and begin to realize that what really matters is our individual soul strength (5th house), and the strength that grows and matures through combined relationships.

   Mercury in Capricorn is planetary ruler of the So. Node in the 6th house, which would speak to coming into form and matter, currently, in order to reach the realization, through the maturation process, that they can CHOOSE to take responsibility to live each moment to the fullest, rise above being the victim, and have the life experience of being their 'brothers' keeper'. 

   if they find strength through relationship and relating, this lifetime, they will get the skipped step on a soul level and never have to repeat it.

   if we look at the planetary ruler of Capricorn - Saturn in Leo in 1st, conjunct their sun and combined purpose in life, it speaks to finding the initiative to evolve beyond their very subjective realities "¦ that they, and only they, are responsible for their own soul strength.

   Saturn opposes Neptune in the 7th which suggests that they would have a tendency to see the other in either an elevated or delusional way, but as they mature, emotionally, hopefully they will come to accept each other for just who they are, and not project their own needs upon them, and that, ultimately, they can only 'save' themselves.

   thanks for this opportunity - in spirit,

   marty

Hi Marty,

Would you like to address the focus of this thread: skipped steps in the composite chart between Chloe and Shaw ?

God Bless, Rad

hi Rad,

   yes, I will try to be more specific in addressing the skipped step between Chloe & Rad composite chart. Thank you.

   in spirit,

   marty

Hi Rad,

yes i would still like to contribute. I'm sorry if it goes a bit off time here, as my past days have been quite busy. I see if i can find the stillness to do so later today.
If you want to continue please do so, and i follow along.

Thank you,
Helena

Hi Rad,

At the moment I just plan to follow along and still have to read what everyone has written about the synastry between them.

Thank you

All the best

I've got a full-day, so had to finish here.  I've been able to sit in mediation 2-3 times daily, which I feel has helped my astrology practice immensely, especially working directly with others (just with friends and visitors to my Cafe at this point).

With Pluto in the 5th house, the couple has felt a powerlessness in the past, and an intention of the current partnership is to feel secure in a self-expression deeply rooted in natural law.  Through Pluto's polarity in Gemini (11th), and Jupiter (Pluto's ruler) in Scorpio (5th), it's clear that growth emerges through integrating their relationship into the larger guise of their community via service over survival.  The South Node is in Virgo (2nd, conj. Ceres), with its ruler Mercury in Capricorn (6th, balsamic Moon).  A past life dynamic is an intense focus on the immediate needs of the relationship and any external event which may threatened that security.  Mars in Cancer (12th) opposes the conjunction (6th), showing ambiguity in maternal figures, which emerge instead by nurturance through the trauma inspired by outside forces.  However, the relationship's emotional state often paralleled the intensity of the traumatic experiences, causing Shaw and Chloe to project the same sort of energetic dynamic onto one another (like the taking of Chloe's life, mentioned by Rad).  This lays the foundation for the immense need for self-awareness and individuation in the partnership between Chloe and Shaw today.

The North Node is in Pisces (8th, conj. Uranus), with its ruler, Neptune in Aquarius (7th, conj. Juno).  These positions echo dynamics within each of their individual charts, implying an ultimate need to break free from the limitations of the partnership's self-contained spirituality based on the relationship itself.  The "frog-in-the-well" dynamic of the 2nd house is going to be hesitant to reach outside of its own value-structure, yet growth comes through experiencing these forces from outside of the relationship (either shared by Chloe and Shaw, or independently and related back to one-another) through a sense of mindfulness, rather than the survival instinct alone.  These houses of partnership, overlaid by Uranus, Neptune, and their ruling signs, again show the need to place the relationship in tandem with the larger whole, and develop a self-awareness of what is needed for growth and emotional sustenance through the way in which they relate to outside occurrences.

In the composite chart, Pluto is the skipped step, finding resolution in the South Node in Virgo.  It's several degrees into a separating square, implying the completion of a lesson which has carried over from the past.  Again, Pluto in Sagittarius the 5th is going to struggle feeling secure in its self-expression, with a drive to connect more fully to natural law.  That self-expression is going to come from a talent for relaying the traumatic experiences of the past in a way which no-longer isolates Chloe and Shaw, but rather connects them more fully to the voices of others.  Finding resolution in that South Node and it's ruler, Mercury, growth comes through the integration of the relationship's purpose into that larger whole.  This is only possible with a direct understanding of what nurtures the relationship (and simultaneously what is draining), and what gives it value and meaning.  Going back to the experience of feeling nurtured through outside forces, the relationship must become aware of how they are affected by these external factors, and how they sub-consciously reflect the various traumas through their own actions.  The transformation thus becomes one of playing the victim (and acting accordingly through the relationship's expression, most likely toward one-another), into having such an immense self-awareness in response to these external forces that the two are able to accommodate their sense of expression to best utilize the energies from the outside. 

Cheers,

Edward

RAD,  So sorry head cold is still raging, just cannot think or write.  I will try again tomorrow.  Tashi

Hi Rad,

I am currently fully tied up on a work project, but will be able to post something in a few days time.

thanks Upasika

to Rad and all,

   I'd like to try to be more specific about the skipped step in Chloe and Shaws' composite chart:

   Skipped Step - Pluto in Sagittarius 5th house, to Pluto polarity point in Gemini in the 11th, is the evolutionary intent of Chloe and Shaws' relationship this lifetime. It points to the opportunity to choose to renew their minds, their mutual thought processes, in a way that they may begin to receive and interpret information vs. that which they have been taught to believe in the past. To question everything! (especially any self-denigrating "˜tapes' of the past born of Patriarchal conditioning.)

   Their modes of processing their realities have been so reinforced, and their ways of thinking have come from such a personal level, again and again, that they have taken them in deeply, on a subjective, nearly subconscious level, due to past life circumstance. This reinforcement of helplessness, victim, or guilt mentality has affected more than one life experience together, and, indeed, affects their current mutual life-force and has permeated to a near belief that this is the 'truth' of their story (on a soul level).

    It isn't their total truth. It is only part of their story (Pluto in Sagittarius in the 5th). As sure as their mutual life force continues (Pluto in the 5th), their story will continue to be written, and to evolve and transform (Pluto polarity in the 11th house). The possibilities for soul growth are infinite (polarity point in Gemini in 11th house) and it is through necessary confrontation, between the two of them, and their personal sphere, that they will remember mutual limitations (self doubt), and the possibilities of mutual transformation (renewal) between themselves.

   It seems that they have been working on the knowledge and recognition of Natural Law, vs. Patriarchal belief systems prior to this lifetime. This seems to be reinforced by the ruler of Pluto in the 5th house, in mutual reception. It will take courage to pursue these inklings of enlightenment because the "˜victim' or "˜hopeless' mentalities have become so ingrained due to the need to survive in their past realities. It will take courage to learn to constantly challenge any and all pre-existing belief systems that they may encounter in order to awaken to the new realities that lay before them.

   It would also seem that they have been beginning to experience intuitive synthesis (Sagittarius), in their mutual past, which would allow the seepage of other peoples' ideas and beliefs to broaden their world-views this lifetime. They would not have to believe what others have told them. They would not have to even believe in their own current world-view. They can begin to open the gates of their minds to all possible interpretations of "˜reality' and their ability to re-create their life path and belief systems with every new day.

   It seems as if they have been developing their personal need to be special and to be noticed to the exclusion of the exterior world, and to the exclusion of each others' needs. This was possibly a survival mechanism for them in the past, but in a composite sense, if they come to learn to listen to each other more and be patient, they may find a path to the true liberation of the mind that they seek on a soul level. Step by step, they can encourage each other in the discovery and support of open-mindedness and exploration of their mental capacities to see more clearly. The 11th house represents the bigger picture.

   The 11th house is one of empirical observation and experimentation, and with this clear, evolutionary intent, they can share and explore, together, new freedoms of expression.  Hopefully, they will find new levels of inspiration with each step.

   The So. Node is the node to consistently integrate. It is clearly a lesson of combined survival issues that, of course, involve the loss, or perceived loss, of a mother or maternal circumstance. Ceres in Virgo in the 2nd house is opposite Uranus in Pisces in the 8th, and relates to sudden loss and cataclysmic shock that will need to be felt on some level (No. Node in Pisces conjunct Uranus in the 8th) in order to be addressed. The emotional body will come into play, this lifetime, for certain, in order to support practices that can be consistently relied upon for soul growth.

   They have both incarnated with the intent of liberating from old victim or guilt modes of thinking (So. Node in Virgo in the 2nd house, and Mercury conjunct the Moon in Capricorn in the 6th). The So. Node also denotes natural tendencies that keep forcing themselves back upon themselves to face feelings of victimization and helplessness ... until they decide to stop the cycle.

  What I see is the opportunity for true feedback (another persons' point-of-view) in the 11th house which can lead to enlightenment - a soul break-through of sorts. It will take support from each other and their personal sphere to encourage expression and communication - consistently - to renew the pathways of the mind toward mutual healing of the mind (Pluto polarity point). This will take patience and determination, but with the So. Node in Virgo, in the 2nd house, they have the tools to do so.

   By consistently integrating the dutiful and mindful nature of this So. Node, they can, consistently, face the turbulent waters of the 8th house to navigate to their own, unique, natural currents. They have the tools to find the fortitude to venture into the emotional realms for healing, but they must be willing to wade into the waters, forgive themselves, each other, and the pains of the past, and agree to venture into unknown territory. They need to take a step out in faith, and believe in themselves (So. Node in 2nd house), and their own personal strength and not be dependent upon another person or place blame. Their learning to unlearn old habits of self doubt and self denigration.

    Pisces in the 8th house is a signature of unconditional forgiveness toward loss, abandonment and betrayal. With the planetary ruler in the 7th house, in Aquarius, they have the opportunity to learn to take steps toward really listening and relating to the other persons' story and needs.

   In summary, I see that through the consistent integration of methodologies and practices that encourage communication and cooperation, they will have the foundation of self-reliance and self esteem to be able to work toward becoming their own, respective, authorities (Mercury in Capricorn in the 6th).  A practice in their everyday life that supports them to be autonomous thinkers can support a renewal of the emotional healing needed this lifetime (No. Node). I believe that in this composite chart, they are looking to allow themselves the freedom to believe in Creators' unconditional love and release, so that they can each reach a greater level of understanding, self love and forgiveness in order to give these gifts back to society (Neptune in 7th). If they can learn to be more willing and receptive to other peoples' concerns and dilemnas, they will be offering their special creativity and expression to the world, and be 'doing' their skipped step.

   There is always a higher truth (Pisces) of divine compassion that can teach us ways to "˜just be' - to live our lives in mutuality and peace so that we can mirror that possibility to others, and thus help to "˜just unify' each other - however elusive the concept. However difficult, hopefully they can learn to live in the moment (Pluto polarity point), suspend judgement, and just FEEL what mutual vulnerability and acceptance feels like so that they can address the unresolved trauma of the No. Node, absorb this into their souls, and offer the invitation to awaken to a higher intellectual reality to those around them (Pluto polarity point).

   My teacher, Robert Ghostwolf met an eagle at a sacred site, one day, who taught him the meaning of the Lakota word, "Optipemsewak". The eagle spoke to him and told him that those who live their lives for the approval of others, are the equivalent of "being lost". "Optipemsewak" means "those who own themselves."

   thank you for the opportunity. In spirit,

  - marty

Hi Rad and Everyone,

this is my reflection on Shaw and Chloe's composite. In order to study it i have not read yet all the participations, so i'm sorry if this goes repetitive or a bit off what as already been said.
And Rad, thank you for your patience. I hope you are healing and feeling better.

With composite pluto square the nodal axis, this is a couple who has been skipping steps in their evolutionary journey together, and given the fact that the planet squaring the composite nodal axis is afterall pluto, there can be additional information pointing to the fact that this resistance has become very stressful and intense in the last lives together, creating now a point in their evolution where the conditions are set to bring all these matters to a head, to be faced and dealt with in order to be resolved.
One of the curious factors derived from this intensity and desire is the fact that matters have become so amplified, so important and "˜special', that we are now, as a community, giving it our full attention, study and focus, so that we can get to the truth of it and help as best as we can, and also learn and creatively apply what we learned in the context of our realities - composite pluto in the 5th house in saggitarius, squaring the nodal axis in virgo/pisces, north node is conjunct uranus. (When we study this things and come across this symbology i guess we cannot help to give life a smile, contemplating the accuracy of EA, and the Source that is teaching us all"¦)

From what Rad has already summarised, both Shaw and Chloe made a choice to be in a relationship with a common purpose - with the composite pluto in the 5th house, the relationship served as a vehicle to survive together in the context of families that did not allowed them to emotional mature with love and acceptance, SN in the 2nd house conjunct ceres. By being together, the relationship was the natural way to work on common personal desires of creative self-actualisation, as both siblings could help and empower each other as each needed.
Rad as also shared that in their last life together, tremendous trauma was experienced as a consequence of proximity, survival instinct, and intimate sexual contact that ended up by one taking the life of the other out of extreme fear to face the consequences of a resulting pregnancy, and that is seen by NN in the 8th house conjunct Uranus.
It was this extreme traumatic situation that now brings this couple together, to a shared life again as siblings, represented as a skipped step in their evolution as a couple. By being so extreme the relationship appears stuck in a pattern, which, in the beginning of this process will manifest as extreme resistance that started how Kristen has shared with us by Shaw inexplicable anger towards his sister and a resistance to accept her.

Starting from here, what is really behind this resistance? What is the lesson this souls are avoiding to complete represented in the "˜usness' of the composite that got to a point of extreme traumatic events?
To know this, and going back to each chart and their own individual skipped steps, we have been aware that in the consequence of feeling powerless and insecure, each developed the natural desire to change this and creatively actualize the life purposes the best they could.
By finding themselves in similar situation, they naturally started developing this desire through the creation of the relationship, where both could help each other's individual development but where other dynamics were also in place - both started projecting on each other the power and purpose each desired for themselves, creating first skipped steps in the personal evolutionary journey, each for individual reasons, and consequently in the relationship as a whole.
This created the situation of Chloe desiring so much love and attention from her brother that prevented her to see the brother for who he really his, and Shaw projecting this desire to feel special on his family and sister, avoiding responsability on his actions, emotional self-sufficiency and creating external dependencies.

With composite pluto polarity point in 11th house gemini, the next step on this couple's evolution is to objectively communicate in a way that breaks free from past projections. To actually be friends with each other and to actually listen and accept the other reality as it is presented. The way to do this can be seen in the SN in the 2nd house in virgo, the resolution node, and mercury in the sixth house in capricorn. In this simbology it is clear that the way forward goes through both souls relating to each other from a point of absolute self-reliance and sense of security developed from within. Since the south node is also conjunct ceres, much of this security comes from working and healing the mother within. The female side of creativity allowing to give birth and regeneration to their natural talents. Probably as much metaphorical as literally, as this can represent the letting go of previous deaths, reconcile with the mothers/fathers and allowing rebirth and renew that could manifest as one actually giving birth to the baby that never came to life before and both in a certain way take care and love the child.
This south node is also trine the moon and mercury in capricorn in the 6th house, so we can say it can be relatively "˜easy' to heal with responsability and maturity, if a bit of work is done on this self-empowerment. The challenge will be to acknowledge any aggressive behaviour, mars in cancer in the 12th house, any sense of competition and victimisation, as soon as it arrives towards understanding of the whole picture with love and compassion, mars trine NN and uranus in pisces 8th house, metamorphosing this energy. With Neptune, ruler of the NN, conjunct juno and opposing pallas, sun, saturn and venus in the 1st house leo, the themes of transmutation of agression through compassion and listening to the other by making a commitment to approach the relationship from a perspective devoid of projections, confronting all that is not the absolute truth of their souls, neptune also square jupiter in scorpio, becomes even more intense.
Taking from the amazing work that is already in progress with Shaw and Kristen, there would be reasons to believe some positive movement is just started to manifest. Let's hope it goes from there.

Thank you,
Helena

Hi Edward,

First, thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment of the thread for Chloe and Shaw. The dynamics that you have identified within their relationship are all within the realm of the archetypal possibilities and evolutionary needs for them as a unit.

Good effort Edward.

God Bless, Rad