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Hi Heather,

The root of the skipped steps can be seen by the S.Node of the Moon being in Scorpio in the 4th, ruled by his Pluto in Sagittarius in the 5th, conjunct the Moon in the 6th, both trine Mercury in Aries in the 10th, which is ruled by his Mars balsamic conjunction to his Saturn in Cancer in the 12th. In essence, desiring and needing to be the center of attention/ center of the universe syndrome.

See if you can take it from there. The projections that you are referring too relative to the Neptune square the Nodes comes from this root issue: not see clearly others because of.

God Bless, Rad

Thank you Rad and Kristin for putting up with me here...

I hope your getting a little chuckle along side me as I can't help but just laugh at myself in these kinds of senerios...

I constantly struggle with this issue when it comes to EA I either look at the whole chart and miss the important  peices or I concentrate too much on each detail and miss the whole picture all together...

It's a problem a big problem lol

Rad what I first looked at in Shaw's chart was the exact sequence in the exact way you stated in your last response to me... I don't know how I always get off track...

I am having so much confusion in my life lately for many reasons the number one being I'm sensitive to everything around me as well as I think I'm really stuck in the middle of left and right brain reasoning...
I also have a really hard time figuring out the duality in every sign and aspect... I don't know if that makes sense but take for example Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th, there is a duality in how those energies can be expressed...
Would my first clue to decerning the duality in the skipped step have been by first going to Pluto and seeing that it is in the 5th house? Pluto in the 5th the world revolves around the recipient of the 5th house Pluto?

I'm going to take time to regroup and hopefully others will share their thoughts on what they see...

Thank you,
Heather

Hi Kristin, thanks for letting me know you added more to your comments re. evolutionary stage.  Regarding Shaw's chart, I keep seeing gender identity confusion.  Can you confirm this, or otherwise, so I do not head off down the wrong track?  Thanks. DDD

Quote from: Rad on Nov 14, 2016, 09:17 AM
Hi All,

Ok, so now we have a new case study to work with. So what we will be doing is:

1. To determine what the skipped steps are, and why, for each of them as individuals.
2. To determine how those individual skipped step signatures have affected their relationship to one another.
3. And then to determine what the skipped steps are with one another.

Kristin has posted the brief existing reality right now between them. So what I would like you to do is to at first just look at each of their individual charts, and determine what the skipped steps are for each as individuals. After that we will then move on to the next steps.

So, at first, let's focus on the boy's chart. Then we will focus on the girl's chart, and go from there.

Remember the value is in the effort. Let me know if you have any questions.

God Bless, Rad

Hiya,

Thank you for letting me follow such wonderful discussion.  I'm so excited to contribute, and deepen my practice!

Exploring Shaw's chart - There's a clear link between many of the past ego symbols.  South Node (4th, Sco), ruled by Pluto (5th, Sag).  This is the focus for the skipped step, Neptune (7th, Aquarius), squaring the Nodes, and Shaw's chart ruler, the Sun (11th, Taurus).  Interestingly, the Leonine energy in itself is a connection to childhood, and a feeling of being grounded in his power amongst other.

Identifying the archetypes to a story, I experience Shaw's past as a sort of concubine, maintaining and taking care of themself in order to satisfy the emotional (and sexual needs) of a myriad of others.  I take it that there was a clear lack of boundaries in where Shaw's character's own issues began and end (heavy 12th house, and a strong energetic, emotional awareness opposite Pluto).  Jupiter in Virgo (and opposite Uranus in Pisces, 8th), is a place where I get the feeling of Shaw's important concubine position, being able to travel and receive gifts in exchange for their character's physical service.

Neptune as the skipped step, leading into the South Node, a solution lies in the confrontation of creative energies.  Perhaps recognizing the necessity of standing as equals with his sister.  It's clear to me that the learning opportunity should be confronted at this particular time in childhood, with the Leonine personality and the emphasis on a powerful 5th house.  Neptune in 7th describes our emotional connection to Source through others, and our ease of getting lost through the dissolution of personal boundaries.  I imagine that there is a feeling of superiority carried over from the past in Shaw's life, as their character had an immense talent for using creative, sexual energies, and their identity was even sculpted by these skill-sets.  However, they became used to their own power, where Shaw's voice today, is still stuck in the self-importance which he allotted himself in the past.  Now, however, it is being expressed through the guise of a 12-year old boy.  I think that it would be healing for Shaw to recognize that imbalance between his internal experience, and how's it's being expressed outwardly.  This confrontation with his sister seems like a solution for him to see that his attitude of power and disdain does not necessarily come from him, and are carried over from experiences in the past.

It will be interesting to look at his sister's chart, to see what her role has been in Shaw's past lives. 

Hi Rad,
If I may just ask one last question stemming from the earlier discussions that were removed
.. if I understood one of your earlier replies correctly, I remember you saying that embracing the polarity point of Pluto will allow Soul to naturally evolve towards the significations of its Pluto north node.
Can I use the same understanding for all planets including the moon? As in, embracing the polarity point of moon will naturally allow the evolving mind/ego towards the attributes of north node of the moon at the appropriate time?
Would paying attention to polarity point of moon naturally guide the ego-mind to evolve towards the resolution node in play and not overstay there even after resolving it?
Could this be a way of ensuring that the Soul evolves through skipped steps in a timely and efficient manner?
What does polarity point of Sun signify?
Thank you 😊

Looking at Shaw's chart now...

Uranus, in the 8th, is also trining the South Node(4th) and forming grand trine with Saturn in 12th. I think these are all houses that can point to escapist tendencies in a psyche.
Uranus is in mutual reception with skipped step Neptune in the 7th. This further reinforces the importance of Uranus in influencing the South Node which shows root of SStep.
Maybe the previous life had incidents where this Soul escaped reality by justifying its own  emotional(Cancer) objectives(Saturn).. and these were caused by deep desires(8th) or delusions(Pieces) regarding its own sense of individuality (Uranus) within relationships(ruler of 7th) or rebelling against relational compromises. And all this would have been played out in the home environment or with motherly figures (SouthNode in 4th)
.. perhaps obsessing(Scorpio) to be the "certain of attention" (mentioned by Rad)in the homefront.

Just trying....

Hi Rad, Kristin and Group,

Here are some brief thoughts on Shaw´s skipped step. Thank you for the ongoing learning process.

Shaw´s skipped step seems to be revolving around his unrealistic expectations he has regarding others and how those others treat him. This is his Neptune in Aquarius in the Seventh House relative to his bottom line Pluto in the Fifth House in Sagittarius. One main potential limiting factor in his Soul can be the subconscious desire to be treated as the center of the Universe, as Rad stated.

His evolutionary intention is to progress towards the Eleventh House in Gemini in order to learn objectivity about his limiting subconscious desires of wanting to be treated as special and possibly even superior to others, even within the family. By becoming objectively aware of the limitations in his desire to be the center of the Universe, he can progressively learn to interact and communicate with others in new ways which are based on equality, which leads to a natural friendship with others, based on the respect for each other´s individuality and uniqueness.

With the South Node in the Fourth House in Scorpio he may of had a few past lives or experiences within those past lives in which the rug of emotional security was pulled out from under him within his own family context. As Heather said, the potential for abuse within the family, including sexual abuse is also a potential reality within these symbols.

With Neptune in the Seventh House in Aquarius square the Nodal axis in the Fourth and Tenth Houses, relative to his natal Pluto in the Fifth House in Sagittarius, he may have very unreal and high expectations that others will serve his every whim and treat him as he subconsciously desires to be treated. With Neptune square the Nodal axis it indicates past life disillusionments with others who have not treated him as special and who may of even abandoned him, or worse. Because of his unrealistic expectations he could become extremely demanding and overbearing which would only push others further away. Another potential is him using others indiscriminately or being dishonest in relationships because of a lack of boundaries relative to his desire for self gratification and/or attention.

Another potential with Neptune in the Seventh House would be to project ultimate meaning onto the people he loves and values. The projecting of ultimate meaning onto others also creates unrealistic expectations and ultimately leads to disillusionment as others at some point in time show that they are only human. This dynamic of projecting ultimate meaning can be projected upon anyone of importance, including family members in past lives which led to the current life. There can also be an unrealistic or unbalanced expectation that others would be able to make him feel secure.

The inability to see others clearly because of projected expectatoins may of led to situations of abuse and powerlessness in his recent past lives, even within his family of origin and within his partnerships and friendships as Neptune is in Aquarius. This equals trauma and a difficulty in trusting others.

The resolution Node is the South Node, which in the Fourth House, relative to his Neptune skipped step and Pluto bottom line, indicates the need to develop his inner sense of security by penetrating to the core of his emotional body and empowering himself by eliminating out-moded emotional security needs and consequent behavior. He needs to learn to be able to recover his ability to trust others by being fundamentally self secure from within first. With Pluto in the Fifth House in Sagittarius which rules the South Node, this can be accomplished by desiring to view himself as he is, honestly, and by having the courage to re-create himself and develop a healthy self image which is empowered and ultimately, by creatively actualizing himself instead of over expecting from others.

He also has the Moon conjunct Pluto with the Moon located in the Sixth House, which potentially indicates a lifelong process of constant renewal of his self image as he continually dies and is reborn symbolically, and as he evolves thru his emotional body and progressively improves his self image. The Moon conjunct Pluto is another indication of the need to metamorphose any pre-existing limiting dynamics within his emotional make up, his self image and his security needs. This restates his Fourth House South Node security needs which need to be developed from within himself by eliminating any outmoded emotional dynamics rooted in unreal expectations and a potentially dramatic way of responding emotionally, which leads to emotional and psychological crisis.

Thank you

All the best

Hi Heather,

"I am having so much confusion in my life lately for many reasons the number one being I'm sensitive to everything around me as well as I think I'm really stuck in the middle of left and right brain reasoning...
I also have a really hard time figuring out the duality in every sign and aspect... I don't know if that makes sense but take for example Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th, there is a duality in how those energies can be expressed.."

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In time you will be able to 'see' the whole chart at once Heather. But that of course takes practice, and working with clients to arrive at that place.

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"Would my first clue to decerning the duality in the skipped step have been by first going to Pluto and seeing that it is in the 5th house? Pluto in the 5th the world revolves around the recipient of the 5th house Pluto?"

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Yes

God Bless, Rad

Hi Merlyn,

Thanks for joining our little group here, and for you contribution thus far. The story you came up with to illustrate the dynamics you have pointed out is ok for the purposes of this thread. However, as JWG taught, unless one actually knows the past lives of another it is a disservice to any Soul to present past life 'stories' as if they are real. What is important in EA is to understand the evolutionary and karmic dynamics involved in the Soul's ongoing evolutionary journey. Those dynamics do not actually need 'stories' to go along with them unless those stories are presented as such to a client for illustrative purposes so the client can have a deeper understanding of those dynamics. Saying to to all of us here, not just you.

You stated: "This confrontation with his sister seems like a solution for him to see that his attitude of power and disdain does not necessarily come from him, and are carried over from experiences in the past."

That which is carried over from his past does in fact come from him: no one else. With his N.Node in the 10th one of the ongoing skipped steps for him is to accept the responsibility in his own actions instead of the existing temptation to feel victimized by circumstances that he himself, his Soul, are responsible for creating.

Again, thanks for contributing and joining our little group here. We look forwards to more of your contributions and work.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Priya

"If I may just ask one last question stemming from the earlier discussions that were removed
.. if I understood one of your earlier replies correctly, I remember you saying that embracing the polarity point of Pluto will allow Soul to naturally evolve towards the significations of its Pluto north node. Can I use the same understanding for all planets including the moon? As in, embracing the polarity point of moon will naturally allow the evolving mind/ego towards the attributes of north node of the moon at the appropriate time? Would paying attention to polarity point of moon naturally guide the ego-mind to evolve towards the resolution node in play and not overstay there even after resolving it? Could this be a way of ensuring that the Soul evolves through skipped steps in a timely and efficient manner?"

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Once the Soul makes a choice to embrace, evolve towards, the polarity point of natal Pluto then ALL THE NATURAL POLARITY POINTS IN THE BIRTH CHART BECOME ACTIVATED because of that choice.

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"What does polarity point of Sun signify?"

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The ongoing sense of purpose, and how to integrate the entire lifetime relative to the ongoing evolutionary journey of the Soul: the entire Pluto paradigm in the birth chart.

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"Looking at Shaw's chart now...

Uranus, in the 8th, is also trining the South Node(4th) and forming grand trine with Saturn in 12th. I think these are all houses that can point to escapist tendencies in a psyche. Uranus is in mutual reception with skipped step Neptune in the 7th. This further reinforces the importance of Uranus in influencing the South Node which shows root of SStep. Maybe the previous life had incidents where this Soul escaped reality by justifying its own  emotional(Cancer) objectives(Saturn).. and these were caused by deep desires(8th) or delusions(Pieces) regarding its own sense of individuality (Uranus) within relationships(ruler of 7th) or rebelling against relational compromises. And all this would have been played out in the home environment or with motherly figures (SouthNode in 4th) .. perhaps obsessing(Scorpio) to be the "center of attention" (mentioned by Rad)in the homefront.

Just trying..."

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The value is in the effort Priya. And by continuing to make such efforts you will progressively arrive at a keen and ever deeper understanding. The effort you just made here IS ACCURATE. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad

Hi Skywalker,

Thank you for you contribution.

IT IS AS SIMPLY EXCELLENT AS IT IS ACCURATE. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad Kristin and Everyone,

I thought a lot about this chart yesterday and I even dreamed about it last night...

Skywalker thank you for jumping in and a lot of what you said after Rads last post to me is what I was thinking about...

What I came up with was some sort of abuse of power due to survival needs, south node in Scorpio in the 4th  seeing himself as superior or more important than others or that his survival was more important, not seeing others clearly due to that reality and his expectations of others, Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th...
I was also looking at that mercury in Aries in the 10th as supporting my thoughts as well as the abuse of power over children possibly with south node of Mars in Scorpio in the 5th in aspect to that Mercury in Aries in the 10th...
I also thought a lot about that Saturn Mars conjunction in cancer in the 12th, I feel like that has so much to do with the why of it all but I don't know exactly what that stands for... Saturn conjunct Mars in the 12th a restriction of some sort, imprisionment or hospitalization  or imprisionment in ones own mind and then it being in cancer I couldn't help but think it has something to do with the Mother, a loss of the Mother in some way... Possibly illness in the family?

Rad thank you for the encouragement, I know I will get better at this...

Thank you,
Heather

Hi Heather,

The Mars/Saturn in Cancer in the 12th directly correlates with the root/ essence of the skipped steps relative to the N.Node in the 10th that also has that Mercury in Aries within it: ruled by that Mars/Saturn conjunction. This is all about accepting the responsibility in his own actions versus feeling victimized by that which is Soul has created. And that feeling victimized of course then extends into the projections upon just about anyone including his family members. There is a great deal in all of these symbols that directly correlate to the specifics of any given life, the circumstances of what he has created in the past coming into the current life. Yet, right now, it is important to try to understand the core evolutionary and karmic dynamics, the roots of it all,  more than what those specific circumstances may or may not have been.

God Bless, Rad

Ok Rad thank you,

So what is the core root of this intention? Is this to become totally emotionally secure with in himself as you say to take responsibility for his circumstances and stop projecting his emotional needs/realities/traumas on others Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th?  Saturn conjunct Mars in cancer in the 12th to be his own nurturer to take control of his own circumstances and actions? Through the North node in the 10th in Taurus learning total security from with in Taurus, and taking complete responsibility for his life North Node in the 10th...

Also Rad isn't this really the core intention of every human individually and collectively? This is really being emphasized with the current planetary line up?

Heather

Rad and Everyone,

Is it also the reality that in life there are no victims really? That is something I struggle with because I feel the innocence in many people and when things like genocide happens to whole cultures it's hard for me to understand that there is no Victim there in that circumstance?

Heather