Old EA Message Board

Hi Skywalker,

Below ...



Relative to his Uranus placement in Scorpio in the First house and trust issues, there can be issues of abuse including sexual abuse. There may also of been intense situations of powerlessness and losses of freedom or of being painfully rejected by others. With Pluto in the 12th in Libra there can also be extreme disillusionment with others because of projected expectations that were not met. Mars in Cancer square Pluto also adds to the potential of various types of abuse and violence, even coming from family members. He may have trust issues in which he cannot trust anyone at all because of memories of sudden death or violence and abuse, although I suspect that he does trust his mother with the Moon conjunct Jupiter. Another difficulty experienced in past lives may of been of survival because of the opposition between Uranus and Chiron in the Seventh house and that could of led to him experiencing painful self worth issues and even hunger in past lives or this life.

**********

He did not trust his mother, or mothers, over many lifetimes. In reality he did trust his fathers. With his Moon/ Jupiter in Leo in the 10th, trine his Neptune, this correlates to that fact, and the fact that his fathers have also tried to play to the role of his mother and well as his father. His Moon, Jupiter are ruled by his Virgo Sun with is conjunct his Saturn, and the ruler of these, Mercury, is also conjunct that Sun. His father also played to role of his friend, and served as a vehicle of objective understanding, as well as vehicle of survival with the trine from the Virgo planets back to his Chiron and Vesta in Taurus in the 7th: his father giving him what he needed.

*********

Linda pretty much covered a lot of possibilities that may of occurred in the current life or past lives that led to traumatic experiences and therefore the Soul can have these memories that have a lot of weight in the choices it makes.

If I´m correct the choices that any Soul chooses for itself correlates ultimately with Pluto.

******

Yes

********

Mercury/Jupiter will be connected to the mental functions of gathering and synthesizing information but Pluto is what correlates to free will and thus to our choices. The responsibility for our choices is Saturn and the acting out of these choices is Mars. Mars instinctively acts out the choices/desires stemming from Pluto which are many times connected to subconscious fears. The subconscious memories themselves would be Uranus while the emotional content of those memories correlate with Pluto. Correct?

******

Yes

**********

Also I´m considering the reasons for him to create such experiences in his past lives, relative to his Pluto signature in the 12th house and it´s various aspects plus the South Node in Pisces in the Fourth house and Saturn in Virgo square Neptune in Sagittarius, seems to indicate that deep within his Soul was and is the desire to learn forgiveness by being hyper vulnerable and powerless in the hands of others. This may be because of his own actions of judging and persecuting others in past lives that led to the need for these experiences in order to understand what it´s like to be in that situation. Therefore forgiveness of others and of the self seems to be one of the things that he was and is actually currently learning. Is this the case?

*******

Yes, but the forgiveness is not being learned because of his Soul being a prior perpetrator wherein he victimized others. The reality of this Soul is that it has been a Soul who has inwardly lived within the realm of natural laws that served as the basis of his natural expectations of how humans should treat one another. Thus, a Soul who is what we would now call inherently 'innocent': the archetype of innocence is Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th House.  Expectations correlate with Libra, the 7th House, and Venus. Thus, his Soul structure manifesting egos, 12th House Pluto relative to S.Node in Pisces in the 4th, relative to it's ruler Neptune in Sagittarius in the 2nd conjunct his S.Node of Uranus correlate to the Soul's inner relationship to itself manifesting as the ego identities that it would create. With the Neptune squaring the Nodes there has been a series of recent lifetimes, not just the last one in the concentration camp, in which the Soul has been creating the experiences of being disillusioned by way of the actual nature of the world that has occurred since the beginning of the patriarchy:  the perversion of natural laws.

In essence, the Soul has been learning through disillusionment about the nature of 'reality' as created due to this perversion. The forgiveness that you refer too manifests from this inner awareness within his Soul, essentially the same type of forgiveness that Jesus himself said upon being suffocated on the Cross: 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do".

**********

God Bless, Rad

Hi All, Linda, and Skywalker

I am Rad's assistant who is writing this to let you know that he is under the weather and will be back here as soon as possible. He wishes to thank you for your effort and contributions.

Take care ........

Hi Rad and Group,

One question sprang to mind after reading everything that Linda and Skywalker wrote. Here we are talking about a soul that is essentially a victim. He has a fear of drowning due to unconscious memories of dying in a Nazi gas chamber and other traumatic experiences throughout the course of time based on issues of trust, abandonment, abuse, sexual abuse so on and so forth. What flashed into my mind after reading all of this was something that Patricia Walsh said in a video. She was talking about victim and perpertrator lives and said something like it seems that many souls will create hundreds or thousands of victim lives after having been a perpetrator. What I am wondering, in a case like this, we are focused on looking at the chart from the pov of the souls being a victim. The memory of whatever caused the soul to create these types of lives must be represented by the chart as well. Are there specific astrological signatures that may be clues to what originally happened and when the "switch" occurred. By "switch" I'm thinking how we can see signs of a gender switch, so I'm thinking there may be signs of perpetrator/victim switching. Maybe? It would seem like his 10th/11th12th house stellium that stretches from Moon in Leo to Pluto in Libra would tell much of the story of guilt and atonement. Is that correct? I'm also wondering about Chiron. Would Chiron, one's deepest wound, opposition Uranus have any significance here? I'm thinking maybe in terms of the soul having memories of a life in which it was a prepetrator rather than a victim come into awareness to some degree be it conscious awareness, or an awareness through dreams or some other form that is semi-conscious. I guess the bottom line of what I am wondering about is once we determine what past life trauma has caused present life behavior, how can we go further and determine why the saoul chose to experience all that past life trauma in the first place.

Looking forward to your thoughts and those of anyone else who has anything to add.

cat

***********

Hi Cat,

He did and does not think of himself as a victim as all. He had and does fully accept the responsibility of his own actions. Examine the 10th and 11th Houses including his Sun being conjunct Saturn. His question about all this was very simple: "why did I create all this".

Whenever any Soul can not accept the responsibility for their own actions it creates the victim of course. When a Soul creates this sense of being a victim it does not automatically equal or correlate to it then desiring to victimize others: to be some sort of perpetrator. It can of course but it is not some automatic thing. In his last life he was one of four to five million Jews, two to three million Gypsies, and other 'undesirables, that were rounded up by Hitler's forces and sent to the concentration camps. Does that mean then that all of them are victims who were, as some previous point, perpetrators victimizing others ?  

God Bless, Rad

Some initial thoughts...It seems to me that there is a duality within each archetype that expresses itself in any planetary placement.  So where there are signatures of victim there are the very signatures of where the soul has been the perpetrator and is in process of working it out in order to have full understanding from all angles, and balance them within the soul, using outer experinces to do so.  This particular function of the soul is represented or described by the nature of the libra quality within the zodiacal wheel.
So, Uranus in Scorpio can express the types of truama (in this case Scorpio thermes which ultimately deal with intimacy) that has happened over a timeline of incarnations or egos (represented by Uranus) and the trauma is being the perpetrator for some time and then the pendulum eventually swings to the trauma of being the victim (or vice versa) and here that soul utilizes all that Scorpio represents to understand the depth of intimacy (because ultimatly it may be that the truth of the soul is intimacy with itself and all of creation).  So it will use the positive and negative polarities with peak experiences to the degree it needs based on the evolutionary requirement and desire (peak experiences represented by Pluto and Scorpio) such as themes of sex, death, loss, betrayals, abuse, personal resources that are then shared not shared/ abused, and the extremes of that in relationship (Pluto in Libra) in order to find a balance, so that the soul can come  to healthy terms relating to its own soul ( which is inherantly connected to the soul of others) and the bottom line of experienc itself (Scorpio) that is experienced within and in the outer world.  This also shows with Pluto in Libra because with Pluto in Libra the soul is intending and attempting to find a healthy balance that is required for true intimacy within the soul (Scorpio) that is experienced within and then in the outer world, initiating to what degree it is ready to the next level of experience with Scorpio themes, the following archetype.  With Uranus being in Scorpio in the 1st it also appears to me that the soul intends to see this and so has created signatures of having instinctual behaviors (Scorpio Uranus ASC) that are vivid and instinctual for the ego to ask why and address what is under the surface.  As it addresses and heals this it will more and more instinctually express the soul itself (Scorpio on the ASC).  Uranus reresents the trauma that perhaps has had to happen based on the degree of ego attachement and scurity, to shake up the ego, to get the ego (Leo) to let go of its attachments or crystalizations (Saturn) in order for the truth (Sag) of the soul to come through the ego, which is why it appears we incarnate so that we can experience and express the love within the soul more and more and more.  With Saturn conjunct the Sun...the signature when less developed can be holding onto the ego structures to some degree and the restrictions or attachments (Saturn) of the ego, but also the intention to eventually cultivate and provide a container for humility and healing (Virgo) to be expressed through the ego ( and communicated through Mercury) through that signature...that there is the capacity to do that with that signature, making the signature be an expression of love and healing rather than expression of restriction and ego attachment in a negative sense.  So, it appears to me that the intention seems to work out themes of intimacy with self and relationships (using the extremes of those experiences or experinces that reflect lack of intimacy) that also spread out into group and the collective experience, and its utilizing these signatures and experiences to reflect and understand that on a deep and thorough level in order to be ready or have the capacity to experience another level or depth of intimacy and love with self and others. 
I am not super educated on planetary nodes so I will follow along on that to learn, but with Neptune in Sag in the 2nd, Chiron in Taurus in 7th on DC (wound in self reliance and values in relationships), and Mars in Cancer in the 9th, I think that it points to the problems that could be associated with the extremes of matriarchy... there could be a codependancy that was established in the psyche where the mother principle or security (trust) was distorted by the extreme, and so created an illusion in regards to the role of mother and emotional security, and ultimately placing trust in outer circumstances to keep one emotionally secure.  When that happens it places empowerment based on whats happening on the outside rather than empowerment based on the self or emotional security developed within.  The soul would then create experinces in order to reveal that, and find empowerment from within, which is then linked to trust because ultimatly the only thing we can truly trust is our own personal ability to connect with self/source and understand how to rely on self (Taurus and 2nd) and develop in a way that helps us grow beyond present circumstances.  The Mars in Cancer shows the anger that could be experienced there when it places emotional security outside of itself but the emotions there intend to effect the conscious desire to provide for its own emotonal security and trust within itself.  I think the Cancer archetype, the feminine, also represents Earth as mother, self as mother so again its saying mothering self and trusting self as mother and providing security.  This is then a way to get clear in regards to the illusions that may have been set up regarding Truth (Sag) and self reliance (2nd house), and illusions in regards to connection to self/source....so developing or evolving the Neptune Sag signature....Ultimately learning to empower oneself and trust oneself as it connects and aligns to Truth.

~Alise'

Quote from: Rad on Apr 16, 2015, 06:11 AM
Hi All, Linda, and Skywalker

I am Rad's assistant who is writing this to let you know that he is under the weather and will be back here as soon as possible. He wishes to thank you for your effort and contributions.

Take care ........

Thank you for letting us know.

I am sad to hear that Rad is under the weather.

Please get well soon, Rad.  Take all the time you need.

Sending Love for your complete healing,

Linda

My posts are going to read like EA for Dummies compared to the detailed analyses here, but I'm very new, so I will just point out what stood out for me, and some of it has been pointed out already.

With Uranus 1st/asc that correlates with prior life of early death, likely of a violent nature.  The Mars/1st house keywords that make that connection for me are:  new beginning, violence, losing freedom.  I feel like another significance of his trauma (Uranus) signature being in 1st house is so he has an instinctual connection to the trauma, allowing it to surface in this life for resolution and healing (Virgo).  Using keywords from Scorpio: death, abandonment, betrayal, cataclysmic evolution, I see how his past life story correlates to his Uranus in 1st in Scorpio. I also note the significance of Uranus in Scorpio representing a trauma imprinted into his soul and etheric body.  In his 11th house he has Saturn/Mercury/Sun and I think they are conjunct?? each other in Virgo, meaning his soul wants to liberate (Aq) from crystallized (Saturn), learned guilt (Virgo).

I would think this soul is masochistic in nature secondary to significant learned guilt relative to his recent lifetime experiencing religious persecution on a traumatic scale.  I would expect to see him manifest a deep sense of mistrust in relationships, but he will also effect deep healing through them as they will be a primary method of bringing traumas to the surface for healing (Pluto in Libra).  His 1st house Uranus means that feeling a sense of freedom in his life is important to him, so this may also create issues in intimate relationships as his Uranus in Scorpio trauma comes to the surface creating an inner dynamic of fear of abandonment/betrayal that competes with his instinctual need for freedom.  The 12th house Pluto would also make him prone to projecting onto others, so I would expect him to have some challenging relationship dynamics in his life.

I just did a class on aspects and phases, so I'm going to work on studying them this weekend and try to post some observations on that.

Rad mentioned something about looking at the nodal axis of Uranus and it's planetary rulers.  How do we find the nodal axis' of the planets?

Angie

Angie,

If you look at the chart the Nodes of the planets are printed around the outside ring. They are abbreviated:
N Mer would be North Node Mercury for example. Do you see what I mean?

cat

Hi Rad,

Hope the weather isn´t too bad... Sending healing energy your way!

All the best!

Cat,

That is a good question about the victim/perpetrator switches. I really don´t know if one can see it in the way one can see a gender switch but with this chart we can see that with the North Node in the Tenth House in Virgo, that he has the need to learn responsibility for his emotional nurturing or reality and to develop his self image in a healthy way thru effort and hard work. It´s a matter of consciously desiring to embrace these evolutionary lessons in order to grow beyond dynamics of victimization.

All the best

Hi Alise and Angie,

Thank you both for your contributions. The astrology you both employ is very real reasoned.

God Bless, Rad

All,

Thank you all for for the work and effort you have done so far. I would like to re-orienatate this thread to it's purpose which is to understand how the long term Uranian memories of the Soul correlate to roughly 80% of the choices / decisions we all make.

So, for example, in the chart that has been posted this Soul has had a series of prior lives, memories, that correlated to the fact that in the current life he found it almost impossible to be freely and openly emotional with anyone, including his own parents: choices being made at a Urania level of consciousness. When he would be held, even as a young person, his physical body would freeze that of course mirrors what is going on in the emotional body.

So looking at his chart what can you see in his prior lives that would explain this ?

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
Could you please give the birth details, or is this not possible?

Thank you.
Maya

Hi Maya,

That is not possible.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

What stands out to me relative to his inability to trust others and open up emotionally is Uranus in Scorpio in the First House with Aquarius on the Fourth house cusp indicating intense emotional trauma relative to power dynamics, abuse, violence and abandonment issues by those he trusted the most in past lives. Even thou he was taken from his mothers arms he may of had the expectation that his mother would of been able to protect him and may of been highly disillusioned by her inability to do so in that experience he had in the camp.

With the Moon in the Tenth House in Leo he may have difficulty to express emotions due to the past traumatic experiences he experienced including an innate fear of judgement, thus coming into the world with an inability to be close to anyone in order to not feel the extreme vulnerability he felt in the past as symbolized by the South Node of the Moon in the Fourth house in Pisces. Thus the Uranian subconscious memories of traumatic abandonment, violence, powerlessness and so on are what leads to him suppressing his emotions in order to be secure and attempt to prevent himself from repeating similar traumatic experiences in the current life. He may also be emotionally fractured and dissociated and in need of reintegrating parts of himself. These reasons to me are what causes his inability to feel close to anyone plus there can also be a subconscious desire to be a loner with Uranus in the First House in Scorpio because of these dynamics.

All the best

***********

Hi Skywalker,

Yes, this is certainly a critical part of the emotional/ psychological dynamics involved.

God Bless, Rad

Quote from: cat777 on Apr 16, 2015, 08:58 PM
Angie,

If you look at the chart the Nodes of the planets are printed around the outside ring. They are abbreviated:
N Mer would be North Node Mercury for example. Do you see what I mean?

cat

Thank you Cat!  I'm going to have a look at this this weekend and try to synthesize some things relative to his Uranus placement.  This is a great and very educational thread!