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Exactly.  Even if you had seen everything in a chart reading, you would have probably done it anyway.  And I knew intuitively that my experience was going to be painful, but I did it anyway.  I think that's such a powerful lesson for people who want to do spiritual work with others.  I feel like the best spiritual advisors will never tell you what you should or shouldn't do, or define choices as good or bad.  It only serves to create guilt when people choose to go against that advice, and you can appreciate how much value is in the experience itself.  That's what I love about EA as a tool for spiritual advisement.  Because it helps us understand why we have certain desires and guides people toward their own healing and choices.

Hi Linda,

The quotes you posted by Jeffrey and Rad regarding the experience of disillusionment sound familiar. I went through a similar experience after the breakdown of various things in my life, which as it turns out, weren't really made of much.The frustration leading up to this realisation was quite traumatic, to the point where I had nothing left to do but focus on myself and rebuild my life in a way that was more naturally aligned or real. By getting to know myself and surrendering to all the changes taking place, I noticed that my intuition grew and I re-established my belief and connection to God/Goddess, which I had lost for many years. This was very unexpected! Interestingly, I also came across EA during this time .

Hi Lenore,

Thanks for sharing your story.

I think it's beautiful once certain previously cherished elements of your life were surrendered, that this allowed your connection to Goddess energy to flow more freely and be restored.

Here's a quick little Saturn/Neptune poem:

Water flows
Fills everything up
Takes everything with it
Water crashes
Against the rocks
Of desire
Flowing around them
but wearing them down
All surrender
All flow
All connect
With the Great Ocean.

Love,

Linda

Lovely poem Linda, thank you.

Blessings.

That's so beautiful Linda! thank you for sharing.

Linda, that's a lovely poem.  It was nice to read as I'm going through a rough time of tumultuous change.

I listened to Kristen's program with Gray Crawford about the full moon in Gemini the other night and that was quite comforting as well.  I highly recommend it.  Apparently, there is a lot going on in the cosmos that's creating a lot of emotional turmoil and internal conflict for many people, but it's a time of reflection and purging of old patterns that aren't working. Then things should be shifting in such a way to support the changes that need to be made.  I wish I could remember what those planetary shifts are!  I was listening at 3 am and didn't take notes.  But I know it's good, and I remember December 24th being a key date!

Hi Linda,

It's interesting your poem for Saturn/Neptune. Metaphor feels to be a good way to communicate about Neptune. I've started thinking about Saturn/Neptune. I have Saturn transiting my natal 28° Neptune in Scorpio, in fact a whole generation has been experiencing the same transit in the last 2 years with the next generation (those born in the 70's and early 80's) about to experience it with Saturn's ingress into Sag. It's not a transit i have heard discussed very much but with Neptune/Chiron in Pisces and the Uranus square Pluto in Capricorn it would appear the potential for disillusionment (or self-discipline with the Saturn transit?) is omni present and helping us hear the call and respond to the Uranus Pluto square.

Blessings

Quote from: Angie on Dec 09, 2014, 04:07 AM
Linda, that's a lovely poem.  It was nice to read as I'm going through a rough time of tumultuous change.

I listened to Kristen's program with Gray Crawford about the full moon in Gemini the other night and that was quite comforting as well.  I highly recommend it.  Apparently, there is a lot going on in the cosmos that's creating a lot of emotional turmoil and internal conflict for many people, but it's a time of reflection and purging of old patterns that aren't working. Then things should be shifting in such a way to support the changes that need to be made.  I wish I could remember what those planetary shifts are!  I was listening at 3 am and didn't take notes.  But I know it's good, and I remember December 24th being a key date!

Hi Angie,


Saturn moves into Sagittarius on 23 December 2014.

Mars is now in Aquarius.


Here's an article I just submitted to the C*I*A* (Cosmic Intelligence Agency):


From Jeffrey Wolf Green's "Uranus, Freedom from the Known" - Uranus correlates to individuation, liberation, freedom, and deconditioning. Deconditioning from what? Deconditioning from Saturn. Saturn correlates to all the conditioning patterns of our life: the conditioning patterns of society, family, expectations of people in our lives, and the conditioning patterns relative to all the prior lives that you bring into this life. All that conditions your sense of identity at any moment in time. Uranus clearly is an antithetical archetype to Saturn. This means that Uranus is forever trying to shatter, revolutionize, liberate, or break free from all those conditioning patterns. What for? What is the intent? To what purpose? If we shatter all the conditioning patterns that define our sense of personality and identity then we can, at some point, arrive at our essential nature and identity that is unconditioned.

~      ~      ~

Uranus square Pluto

We will have the 6th Uranus/Pluto square on 15 December 2014 @ 12 deg Capricorn/Aries.

On a collective level, the bottom line intention of the Pluto transit through Capricorn is to evolve the existing structures of countries that are preventing their evolutionary needs. When these evolutionary requirements are met with fear, insecurity and resistance by individuals, there can be a lot of overwhelming pain because of the evolutionary pressure to transform. The pressure has to reach a very intense point in order to induce the necessary changes because of the high degree of emotional security linked with the past. Before the new can begin, there must be a death of the old. Pluto brings death and new life to Capricornian structures and conditioning patterns around man-made laws, politics, family, nationalism, traditions, social status, and the structure of consciousness itself.

The Uranus/Pluto squares from 2012 to 2015 are "crises in action" and "choices to be made" in how to actually make real the collective desires that began at the conjunction in Virgo in 1965-66 for collective and personal purification, adjustment and improvement. These squares correlate to the evolutionary necessity to break out and push through prevailing cultural norms. They demand action and externalization (yang) in order to facilitate evolution at an accelerated pace which occurs when energy reaches a critical peak that thrusts forward through the crisis of cataclysmic change.

On a personal level, natal Pluto represents the Soul's past lives plus the Soul's evolutionary intentions for the current life, while transiting Pluto represents the timing for the Soul's evolutionary intentions in relationship to natal Pluto. Necessary for evolution to take place is the targeting of intense unconscious conditioning patterns not only in the present life but also those past life patterns that have been suppressed in the individuated unconsciousness as memories. The action of Uranus reflects a process of repeating messages bombarding the consciousness that become louder and louder until a crescendo is reached, bursting forth the necessary evolutionary insights, revelations, realizations and illuminations of the way forward. This process brings with it rapid change, liberation and de-conditioning from the past. But that evolutionary process can only be effected through emotional integration of unconscious desires. This simply means that once the Soul truly experiences on an emotional level the consequences of its past actions, desires and choices, it is able to integrate and learn from these experiences, transform the deeper unconscious Soul patterns, make better choices, and create new experiences for the future.

At the Uranus/Pluto square, there is a build-up of emotional triggers that prompt trauma, shock, stress and distress. There can be denial, dissociation, fear, suppression, and resistance as the unconscious desires of the past are worked through in the present. People naturally gravitate towards maintaining the familiarity of the past and that which gives them a sense of security:  conditioning patterns of society, family, social groupings, and expectations from others who are similar to themselves. The Uranus/Pluto square is destroying this sense of security that is based on past unconscious elements that are in the process of dying. When the natural process of evolutionary change is resisted, this can lead to depression, a state of reflection upon that which is no longer working and that needs to change.

Anything that falls outside the consensus tends to be repressed and then becomes distorted. Example: Aries square Capricorn, the suppression of the natural sexual instincts relative to cultural conditionings. With the ruler of transiting Uranus being Mars in Aquarius (the leading edge of evolution), the collective of Souls is beginning to embrace differentness, uniqueness and naturalness - thus bursting out of consensus norms. With the ruler of transiting Pluto being Saturn in Scorpio, the collective of Souls are changing the consensus reality, transforming the structure of consciousness, and truly understanding that those elements which are outmoded or crystallized must change.


Sources:

Green, Jeffrey Wolf.  "Uranus - Freedom from the Known"

Green, Jeffrey Wolf.  "EA Glossary - Guiding Principles of Jeffrey Wolf Green Evolutionary Astrology."  Edited and Compiled by Linda Jonson.

Quote from: Lila on Dec 09, 2014, 05:02 AM
Hi Linda,

It's interesting your poem for Saturn/Neptune. Metaphor feels to be a good way to communicate about Neptune. I've started thinking about Saturn/Neptune. I have Saturn transiting my natal 28° Neptune in Scorpio, in fact a whole generation has been experiencing the same transit in the last 2 years with the next generation (those born in the 70's and early 80's) about to experience it with Saturn's ingress into Sag. It's not a transit i have heard discussed very much but with Neptune/Chiron in Pisces and the Uranus square Pluto in Capricorn it would appear the potential for disillusionment (or self-discipline with the Saturn transit?) is omni present and helping us hear the call and respond to the Uranus Pluto square.

Blessings

I totally agree with you, Lila. 

All of those transits spell disillusionment, for sure. 

It feels like one massive ending (Saturn culminating in Scorpio;  Neptune-Chiron in Pisces) followed by a new beginning pressured by the cardinals:  Pluto in Capricorn and Uranus in Aries.

When Saturn moves into Sagittarius on 23 December 2014, beliefs of all kinds will be up for the test.


Warmly,

Linda

Hi Linda and All,

Wow I LOVE this NEPTUNE thread!  

Yes Neptune in Pisces, bringing us to deep Spiritual surrender.

Neptune has been on my MC for many moons now, and is thus opp my IC.  With 4th house Pluto and other planets there, and since Neptune squared my natal Neptune 17 Scorpio, and transiting Pluto entered my 7th house (it's taken close to seven years to digest both of those transits!!!) I have completely surrendered to Neptune.  I'm living in other people's homes and seem to have complete disillusionment about finding my own ever again.  Even though I still desire it at times.

I get it.  Neptune, Godhead and Goddess are my home.  The house, people are secondary, meaning they are not my source.  They are not my security.  I am here only to be truly helpful.  He who sent me will direct me.  Wherever I go, he will go there with me.  This doesn't mean that I am floating around (thank God for all the earth in my chart).  I'm working, channeling, healing, being, doing...

In the past several months, I prayed, "what would you have me do, where would you have me go, what would you have me say?" this led me to call a man who I knew from Unity church.  He said he needed help.  I moved in.  His SN 18 Virgo, right on my Venus 4th house!  I've been here for six weeks. Last weekend he moved to assisted living and the cats and I have the house to ourselves.  I'm cleaning! Virgo

People ask me how I am managing all the change in my life (over the last seven years), and they don't get it.  I'm still finding my way, but mostly by union with the higher octave of Spiritual human life.

When Neptune was in Sag, conjunct my SN and squaring my Pluto Uranus Venus I had life-altering visions, induced by hallucinogens to soften the intense Neptunian disillusionment coming right behind it.  Now Neptune moves towards a square to natal nodes and conjunction/opp with Pisces/Virgo planets.  It's a real dance.  Thank goodness I've integrated the lessons of the illusory relationships, heart-break, drugs and denial.

On a collective level, Neptune in Pisces, riding on the wave of Uranus Pluto square and so many people suffering from dark Pluto Cap regime, is calling for us to gain a bigger God, or evolving our relationship with the Godhead/Goddess, to bridge health/wellness with Oneness, and Union with the Whole.

Love to you All, and thanks for starting this thread Linda and sharing your poem--I love them both.  I article is very helpful in seeing the big picture of the squares.  

Hi Pallas!


It was great reading your experiences ~ they brought a smile to my face. 

This quote of yours is so amazing:

The house, people are secondary,
meaning they are not my source. 
They are not my security.


Love,

Linda