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I have a question about birthtimes in EA.  They say that we choose our birthchart...and I do believe that.  I don't truly KNOW it...but I DO believe it...if that makes sense.

Anyhoo...my issue is this: Since pretty much EVERYTHING in EA is based around the house position of Pluto....this means...and correct me if I'm wrong...that the baby actually determines exactly when it will be born.  House positions change every 2 hours...so.... I guess it's tough for me to fathom a newborn determining when to actually be birthed.

Is there some soul knowledge in that child that could actually allow it to control when it is born?

I hope this doesn't sound stupid...   LoL

Hi Shawn,





Thanks for your question.

It is the SOUL that determines the birth-time and all other conditions such as culture, society, parents, friends, etc. that reflect the evolutionary and karmic needs, desires, necessities, intentions and lessons.

Desire that is unfulfilled correlates to the next life in which the Soul incarnates in order to try to actualize that unfulfilled desire in some way.

Here's a great quote from Rad:

Conditioning patterns created by the Soul

The "˜conditions' that any given Soul creates for its life, in any life, are the conditions that the Soul needs in order to further its own ongoing evolutionary intentions: whatever those conditions are. And those conditions of course affect the Soul: intentionally so. It is the very "˜effect' of whatever those conditions are that serve to advance the Soul's evolutionary intentions. All Souls are "˜affected' by the conditions of its lives. Even the most evolved of all Souls start off as children. And the conditions of their births that they have chosen "˜affect' them as they would any child. For example the great Yogananda chose to come through a mother who loved him dearly, and he loved her dearly, yet she died when he was very young: four or five years of age. For him at that age this was total trauma. Yet, at that age, he determined within himself, since his earthly mother was no longer present, to find his "˜Divine Mother.' And so at that age he took himself into an attic space in his home and sat there with the determination not to budge from that spot until the Divine Mother revealed herself to him from within. And She did. Yogananda had a 10th house Pluto conjunct Neptune which were both in opposition to his Venus in the 4th. The perfect symbolism for the "˜conditions' of his childhood, and how those conditions affected his own ongoing evolutionary journey. (Rad)


Your question:  Is there some soul knowledge in that child that could actually allow it to control when it is born?

I think Rad or Skywalker can answer this one.


Cheers,

Linda

Thanks Linda...  }:o)

It's a question that's been bugging me.  I like that quote by Sri

Hi Shawn,

It's my belief (i don't know anything for a fact either), that the soul, in conjuction with its guides, together determine the time of birth and plan everything out.  Keep in mind, the baby is a soul.  I'm not sure, but I think the baby is more conscious of "everything" up until its actual birth and the veil of forgetfulness does not come into play until the baby leaves the womb and takes its first breath. I think I've read things here and there leading to this belief.

Anyone else?

cat

Hi Shawn Rollins,

In my view it´s not about the Soul choosing the time of birth at all as the chart wont change anything for the Soul experiencing life.  In my understanding the Soul will be born at a time which will promote/support it´s ongoing evolution and the chart will simply reflect the Soul and it´s evolutionary intentions. The quote by Yukteswar sums it up pretty well.

All the best

Why do you say the chart won't change the life experience?  Pluto's house position changes everything...and that is based on the exact time of birth...

Maybe it's just a matter of fact of synchronicity...? 

Hi Shawn Rollins,

Because the chart does not create or determine reality, it reflects it.

All the best

I wonder if Patricia Walsh is around (or away for the holidays) as I bet she knows a bit about this subject from her regression work. I'm so sure that our souls and our guides, and possibly other higher beings, work together planning the next life so that we can best have the experiences we need to balance our karma and evolve. Of course the chart does not cause anything, but reflects our choice and serves as a blueprint of sorts.

Shawn, I'd recommend reading Patricia's book and Michael Newton's books:

Understanding Karmic Complexes

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Karmic-Complexes-Patricia-Walsh/dp/1902405439

Destiny of Souls

http://www.amazon.com/Destiny-Souls-Studies-Between-Lives/dp/1567184995

Both of these offer up some information about what happens between lives.  They are both good reads.

Hi Shawn,

I also had this question, how is it possible for a baby to determine it's birth time? While I can't give you a definitive answer, I can share where I got to with it. It was a long time ago so my facts may be a bit approximate.

I researched a lot of medical and scientific literature and found that from a week or two before birth the baby starts tuning into the Moon's phases, and via it's monitoring of those phases sometime adjustments in it's own inner rhythms and functioning happened. Also that via various mechanisms (fluids, hormones etc) the baby can actually exert some control over the timing of its birth, either delaying it or bringing it forward.

I also remember reading somewhere else information about how on a physics (particle) level the baby is in control of it's birth process, but can't remember any details about that.

I came across all this information in bits and pieces over quite a long period of time, each bit filling in some part of the puzzle for me. Eventually it got to a point where I could see it was not only possible that a baby could physically control it's birth time, but also very likely that it did so. I was only checking this all out for myself so never kept a track of links or records of where each bit of info came from, it ranged from nursing textbooks, scientific papers, medical articles etc - scattered all over, so I can't refer you to these sources unfortunately.

But I had this same question and although I never got total "proof" down to the last detail I was satisfied enough that it was highly probable that babies could directly affect their birth time - because they interacted with and affected the entire birthing process in so many ways.

blessings Upasika

Hmm... I wonder how the soul would be impacted by scheduled c-sections and inductions where the birth time is often arbitrarily chosen?  Would the soul have a say in this matter by choosing the parents or the scenario where this is destined? 

This is beautiful.  It is sooo what I wanted..some real discussion on this topic...

Here's a link to a similar discussion:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7839


This reponse by stacy5271 is interesting:

QuoteI'd like to post in agreement with River. I've spent a fair amount of time recently reviewing the ways that the charts of my family members are similar (signs, aspects, house placements etc...) and I have found that my daughter (whose birth ended up being a planned c-section due to breech placement) fits very nicely into the rest of the family.

I actually was in disagreement with my doctor in regards to the "due date" (because I had been trying to get pregnant and charting, I knew the exact date which was off by several weeks from the doctor's calculations). In the scheme of things, my daughter was technically "early".

Like I said, it is amazing how she shares so much from an astrological profile with the rest of us. I would venture to say that she shares more with us than my son who was born when he darn well felt like it (he too shares astrological traits with us and even directly with her).

After looking closely at all of this, my conclusion is that she was born at her right time.

I mean...lets get real here. The way I see it, EA is a belief system...and one that makes soooo much sense, it's scary.  We have real existential issues at hand, right?  Why am I here? What am I doing?  REAL LIFE STUFF, right?.  I am 98% sure of everything EA represents...but that nagging 2 percent...for me...deals with the question I posed..and I'm looking for a little bit of clarity.

I do believe that there is synchronicity in birth, and I'm thinking that I may have to leave it at that...

And yes...my questions are emanating from the Scorpio part of me...which is quite heavy..  }:o)

Cat...I'll look into Patricia's work that you mentioned.  Those issues are a real part of my confusion....because who remembers what was happening before you're born?  I have no recollection. While I DO feel I was here before...i don't have concrete memories...they're like dreams...