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HI  Practice Chart Group,

Ok, let me know if all of you are ready for a new EA paradigm, or if there is anything left over from the last one that we have been working on. And welcome aboard Jeff to our little group.

Rad

Hi Rad,

I am going to be able to try this one bc I feel a tiny bit better.  Thanks.

Dhyana

Rad and all,
I have been thinking about one other dynamic to this practice chart.  Simply the pluto/polarity point axis in light of pluto being the sn ruler and in virgo in the second.
Rad, you described it as the soul cocoon, and we as a group have expressed this retreat back into the self, etc.
What I have been thinking is that we could still add more emphasis on this - the pisces dynamic of "standing on the precipice of the know light of the past and the darkness of the abyss" for this soul seems to be amplified greatly.  In fact, the retreat back to the known is most likely the triggering of the relationship crisis dynamics to repeat over and over.  He would be (virgo) have this endless list of things to do - relative to "his" role evolving into "my part within 'our' role together". 
So, I just wanted to add this emphasis of the 8th house pisces pluto polarity and how, even though it has been activated, still would be so much easier to avoid from a soul security level until the crisis via relationship again force the necessary confrontations and promote self growth in regards to totally dissolving, merging, and surrendering to the experience of "union". 
Rad, as you pointed out, the eventual finding of the mate who will allow these experiences and support where he is coming from, at, and evolving to is so crucial in light of this.  This mate, in a healthy piscean sense would need to be bringing 'unconditional love' to the marriage as starting point to the deeper commitment they would make together.  Without this unconditional love, this soul would again fall into the confusion, the disorientation, and would retreat into his comfortable familiar soul cocoon.

Rad,
any other dynamics you'd like us to ponder on this that we have yet to fully develop or notice at all?

Yes, I'm in on the next round.
Thanks,

Bradley

Hi Rad, I do have one question,

What would the timing be for meeting this soul mate? Would it be linked to the transiting or progressed phasal relationship between Venus and Pluto? In other words, if it is fated to happen in order to enforce evolutionary necessity, can we know the timing for it?

And can we with certainty say that it will happen because of the nature of his Venus- implying the build up of resistance prior to this life- creating the necessity for crisis to occur in order to enforce evolution?

Thank you.

Oh! Thanks for pointing that out. I'm going to delete that portion of my post and read the whole context over again.

HI Bradley,

  Yes, what you have stated is all very, very true. As stated earlier his Soul will attract another Soul whom he has had prior life relationships with in which there have been previous traumas, cataclysms, with. And for the reasons we have talked about in this thread. The core intentions in all of those previous traumas has been, and remains to be, to help him 'objectify' himself: his actual reality, his actual needs, who he actually is. This would also apply to the partner herself. And, as stated earlier, that partner will also be a Soul who is also bisexual, with a first tendency towards women, just as he has a first tendency towards men.

  They will both love one another in their own ways: Venus in the 7th in Aquarius. Yet their essential natures, and the needs of those natures, will cause a progressive emotional/ psychological/ sexual distancing from one another as symbolized in his EA signature itself. This will then cause the various types of traumas that we have discussed. This will then lead to necessary talks and discussions that generate realizations for them both about their essential natures and needs. In other words each of them will serve as vehicles for the other to 'objectify' themselves together.

  As this takes place, because of the core love they will have for one another, and given the fact that they will have had children together, they will then try to find creative solutions for each other to actualize their core natures within the context of their sustained marriage. In this sense, they will each have the best of both worlds in that by sustaining the base of their marriage this then allows each to find partners of the same sex in order actualize their core natures. And, because of this, this will then allow for him to plunge into that 8th House PP point: to have a loving partner who supports what he needs to do, just as he will support her for the same reasons. The key of course will be to choose those other partners who are secure enough within themselves that they do not threaten the existing marriage of these two. In other words others, who are made aware from the beginning that he, and his mate, intend to remain married.

Rad

Hi Ari,

Quote from: ari moshe on Apr 10, 2010, 03:45 PM
Hi Rad, I do have one question,

What would the timing be for meeting this soul mate? Would it be linked to the transiting or progressed phasal relationship between Venus and Pluto? In other words, if it is fated to happen in order to enforce evolutionary necessity, can we know the timing for it?

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It is fated to happen because of the Venus squaring the Nodes. The timing can occur in different ways as in transits to the Venus itself, progressions to it, transits to the Pluto/Uranus conjunction because Uranus in the ruler of that Venus, progressions to this point, transits or progressions to the S /N Nodes.

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And can we with certainty say that it will happen because of the nature of his Venus- implying the build up of resistance prior to this life- creating the necessity for crisis to occur in order to enforce evolution?

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Yes, and the Venus squaring the Nodes.

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Rad

Hi Gonzalo,

The assumption you made in what you shared is the problem in the analysis: sustaining the relationship only because of the children. They would BOTH sustain it because they also have a core love for one another, of desiring to help one another evolve in their own lives, of wanting to share in that together, and to support one another in that process. The S.Node does sextile his Pluto/Uranus, and the N.Node does trine it. The female partner will have been a Soul that he has had prior lives with. They would have already been through a great deal in other times together. And that fact is the binding fact of why they are together again in this life, finding themselves in the current life in the way that they do, and desiring to help one another in the ways that each actually need in order to continue to evolve.

Rad

Alright! Now I'm all ready for the next one.

Hi Practice Group,

Ok, it's time to work with another paradigm. Let's make this a women born Holland, the very beginning of the 3rd Stage individuated, middle income economic bracket growing up with her parents, and no specific religious conditioning. This paradigm will have a 12 House Pluto in Scorpio, S.Node in Libra in the 11th, ruler Venus in Leo in the 9th, N.Node in Aries in the 5th, and it's ruler Mars in Gemini in the 7th.

So let's have a go at it.

Rad

Rad, are the aspects the "default ones"? i.e. Pluto inconjunct the nodes, venus square pluto etc...

Ari,

Yes ..................

Rad

In reference to "default ones"  -- I am not sure what you guys are talking about ....why are we to assume Pluto Inconjunction and Venus square for practice charts?

Thanks
Dhyana

Hi Dhyana,

Default means by sign ... i.e. Venus in Leo squares Pluto in Scorpio. Since we have not put actual degrees on any of the symbols, i.e. Venus at 9 Leo, Ari is referering to these natural 'default' aspects: Leo does naturally square Scorpio, etc.

Rad

Related to previous assignment, I wanted to share this.

Rad you wrote  "retreating even further into his Soul cocoon."  and just the phrase cocoon relative to the 2nd house here, but applying to taurus and 2nd - cocoon is a great way to refer to this archetype, especially thinking of the opposition to scorpio/8th and the metamorphose.

I just wanted to share that it has been really amazing sitting here looking at the next client chart and plugging in the concept word 'cocoon' with taurus and 2nd house signatures.  I feel like it is helping me understand the archetypal energy and it is a word that is really supportive description of the archetype within an EA session.
Reflecting on using 'cave' vs. cocoon to describe and discuss this archetype, cocoon is perfect.
Many thanks,
Bradley