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Rad,
I am going to go ahead and post again on this based on material not yet integrated.

In my question, what I am wondering is:  Is the implied crises in the inconjunct of sn ruler to pluto of greater stress because the south node squares pluto?  For example, if someone has the same pluto in the 8th, south node ruler inconjunct pluto, but the south node itself is in a trine or sextile to pluto...would this be "less challenging" in terms of the soul integrating the crisis implied by the inconjunct?  Or, is it simply that the "source of the crisis is different"?

Thanks again,
Bradley

Hi Bradley,

Got it. The answer is yes because with the Nodes trine or sextile Pluto the nature of the crisis or conflict can be more easily understood and integrated by the Soul versus the resistance implied by the Nodes in square to Pluto.

Rad

Additions to "Pluto 8th, 3rd stage consensus, s.node 5th, ruler 3rd, n.node 11 w/ruler 7th."
Rad,
You replied that I had not touched on duplicity and specifically brought up:
1. the cause of duplicity
2. how duplicity manifested in past lives
3. and in this life?

4. within this, given the total signature, the soul is needing to repeat relationships.  Apply  the causes and manifestation of double agendas to relationships in this life

5. how would inner evolutionary and karmic issue with own father manifest by way of own children?  what is the intent to have children that embody very inner dynamics that the soul has within regarding its own father?

The cause of duplicity, of these dueling agendas would be rooted in discovering information that will serve this ego to move beyond the limits of it's own power-to move up a rung on the social ladder and it's need to be seen, recognized, praised, and viewed as special for it's contributions.  Within this, there is an internal conflict within the soul which makes the crisis of duel agendas very challenging to integrate.  Unconsciously(pluto 8th), the soul is drawn to form relationships with other people and things that have power/access to power that it knows itself to not have.  So, this unconscious security of being drawn to growth experiences always exists.  Consciously, this person would have, in past lives and this one, wanted to be treated with the dignity and recognition of a king or queen-given praise for its own special creative offerings.
   Here is the conflict between the 8th and 5th house again.  Security of loyalty is a strong conscious ego need(5th s.node).  Part of its seeking information and questioning others, relationships, and life is to get to the bottom line of the other-the 8th house experience.  While, simultaneously, thru his/her use of words, it is still looking for compliments, praise, recognition.  It's like fishing for a compliment while simultaneously seeking to find out "˜secret information' to see thru the veils covering up the truth.  If we use an example of sex(8th/5th), one could be seeking the fulfillment of being treated so specially thru love-making while simultaneously seeking information to either prove or release its inner fears and defensiveness.  Who wants to be seeing oneself fishing for information to get to the bottom of their own fears of intimacy while simultaneously alluring the other to you for their caress?  My goal for this example is one moment of a story in a life of this soul that captures the constant state of it's mental reality.
   To recap, the causative factors of duplicity are A. the need to see thru the veil to penetrate to the core of the truth/power sought after(may be unconscious) and B. to attract attention, recognition, praise, and honor-to have others "˜see' what they are doing.
   
Rad, is it true that, because we are talking about the s.node ruler, the causative factors are not coming from the n.node and it's ruler.  Or, because of the pluto square to the nodes, is part of this duplicity the intentions symbolized by the n.node and it's ruler?
   Another question-is it right that the minds desires to penetrate to the core of their relationships is unconscious?  I say this because Wolf wrote that the security needs symbolized by pluto are unconscious, while the ego(moon) is conscious. 
   So, is it also true that the s.node motives would be totally conscious? or at least mostly?

I'm stopping here because it seems pertinent that I know this before going ahead with the rest of this.

Rad, thanks for answering my last question and also for your time and commitment to the EA MB.

Bradley

Hi Bradley,
 
" Rad, is it true that, because we are talking about the s.node ruler, the causative factors are not coming from the n.node and it's ruler.  Or, because of the pluto square to the nodes, is part of this duplicity the intentions symbolized by the n.node and it's ruler?"

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We need to remember that is is the Soul, Pluto, that the cause or determinant of everything that it desires. Thus, all the other symbols like the N.S Nodes and their rulers, indeed all the other planets within the birth chart, symbolize in total what is emanating from the Soul itself. So in the paradigm we are considering now, the 8th House Pluto, is the cause of determinant of all the other symbols in this paradigm. It is, thus, this Soul's need for absolute power in a consensus context that then is the cause and basis for the duplicity. Do whatever it needs to do in order to have those desires met, including being duplicit.

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   Another question-is it right that the minds desires to penetrate to the core of their relationships is unconscious?  I say this because Wolf wrote that the security needs symbolized by pluto are unconscious, while the ego(moon) is conscious.
   So, is it also true that the s.node motives would be totally conscious? or at least mostly?

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They would be totally conscious because of bringing those desires up through the current egocentric structure that the Soul has, itself, designed: the N/S Nodes of the Moon, there planetary rulers, and of course wherever the natal Moon will be, and the aspects to it. Within this we will have a sign on the 4th House cusp with the location of it's planetary ruler, aspects to it, and of course wherever the sign Cancer is located which will then refer back to the natal Moon and , thus implicate it's Nodal Axis. So all of this in combination makes the unconscious desires within the Soul itself, conscious through these Moon symbols. The real then becomes the degree of self awareness AND PERSONAL HONESTY that conditions just how conscious these desires can actually be.

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I'm stopping here because it seems pertinent that I know this before going ahead with the rest of this.

Rad, thanks for answering my last question and also for your time and commitment to the EA MB.

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You are more than welcome Bradley and thanks in return to your own commitment to this work and wanting to help others because of. That makes God smile big time.

Rad

Rad,
thanks again for support and feedback.

I realize I still have clarifying questions regarding this example- or for that matter any example in which we are discussing the root cause of south node ruler when pluto is in square to the nodes.

I understand that all evolutionary intentions are traced back to pluto-house, sign, aspect, etc.  which in this case implies that, when squaring the nodes, the soul has had dueling/opposite evolutionary intentions, as seen in the n. & s. nodes of the moon. 

So, in our current assignment, regarding the question of the cause of duplicity-as seen thru the ruler of the south node in the 3rd house, -part of me is analyzing this and saying that the cause would be first to serve the egocentric needs of the south node....which were to fulfill the evolutionary intentions of pluto and (b/c of sqaure) also the n. node. 
So...are we then saying here, that the cause of the archetypal pattern of duplication(3rd) was simultaneously serving the development of the n. node?    that is my question

I will add, that up until now, I had not considered tracing back a s.node ruler as also serving in the developement of n.node intentions. 

Also, would it be more so when the s.node ruler is in direct aspect to pluto(when pluto is squaring the nodes)?

I hope this is clear.
Thank you,
Bradley

Hi Bradley,

Quote from: Bradley J on Feb 06, 2010, 03:19 PM
Rad,
thanks again for support and feedback.

I realize I still have clarifying questions regarding this example- or for that matter any example in which we are discussing the root cause of south node ruler when pluto is in square to the nodes.

I understand that all evolutionary intentions are traced back to pluto-house, sign, aspect, etc.  which in this case implies that, when squaring the nodes, the soul has had dueling/opposite evolutionary intentions, as seen in the n. & s. nodes of the moon. 

So, in our current assignment, regarding the question of the cause of duplicity-as seen thru the ruler of the south node in the 3rd house, -part of me is analyzing this and saying that the cause would be first to serve the egocentric needs of the south node....which were to fulfill the evolutionary intentions of pluto and (b/c of sqaure) also the n. node. 

So...are we then saying here, that the cause of the archetypal pattern of duplication(3rd) was simultaneously serving the development of the n. node?    that is my question

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It was serving it in the sense that that Soul intends, and has been intending due to it's square to that N.Node to 'liberate' from the existing archetype and behavior of duplicity that was caused by the 8th House Pluto in relationship to it's S.Node in the 5th House. The liberation will occur via the types of relationships that the Soul will form by way of attracting others who confront and expose this behavior to the Soul. In this act of confrontation and exposure by via others thus allows the Soul to see itself objectively: to detach from the behavior itself so as to see it as it is. So, in this way, yes.

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I will add, that up until now, I had not considered tracing back a s.node ruler as also serving in the developement of n.node intentions. 

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They serve the development of the N.Node because of the actual past .. the dynamics and the experiences that those dynamics create ... symbolized by the S.Node and it's ruler in such a way that that existing past then 'conditions' the manifestation of the N.Node and it's ruler BECAUSE OF THAT EXISTING PAST. This is , indeed, the INDIVIDUAL CONTEXT that allows for a precise understanding of the EA astrologer in order to understand the specific and individual way of actualizing the N.Node and it's ruler in any birth chart.

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Also, would it be more so when the s.node ruler is in direct aspect to pluto(when pluto is squaring the nodes)?

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Yes .........................

  Rad

Rad,

This is very helpful.  I think I'm getting it.
I will now proceed with answering these questions:
1. the cause of duplicity
2. how duplicity manifested in past lives
3. and in this life?
4. within this, given the total signature, the soul is needing to repeat relationships.  Apply  the causes and manifestation of double agendas to relationships in this life
5. how would inner evolutionary and karmic issue with own father manifest by way of own children?  what is the intent to have children that embody very inner dynamics that the soul has within regarding its own father?
Thanks,
Bradley

HI Bradley,

Ok, give it a go ................

Rad

Again - Duplicity of 3rd house ruler of s. node 5th relative to pluto 8th.

the cause of duplicity

To understand the cause of duplicity, we first trace back the third house s. node ruler thru the 5th house s. node to the natal pluto in the eight.
Ultimately, this soul has been using the ability to communicate duel personalities and agendas as a means to find out how he/she fits into the picture-questions regarding where s/he can have a place to shine.  This soul has sought out to lift itself up within the merging unions.  In this, we see the inherent conflict of the 5th serving the  8th pluto.  The 8th representing a actual death of some part of the self is really quite ego surrendering, while to achieve this thru actual drawing attention to one's own purpose and special role is challenging.  Hence, the conflict of the waning inconjunct of the s.node ruler to pluto can be seen looking at the enforced lessons of "social humility" that is being learned thru the metamorphic process of merging with sources of power greater than where one is.
The cause of duplicity is revealed in the fact that this soul is always looking for information within the consensus paradigm of its existence to place it "at the top of the pyramid".  This information leads to ways to access and penetrate greater sources of power for one's own self fulfillment.  The cause of the duplicity then is to be able to play out two(or more) personalities which allows one to continue to be in direct line to power(as defined by consensus culture) while simultaneously being able to receive praise and attention for their own special contributions to this process. 
As seen thru the s.node 5th, one sought out elevated ego positions, a position where they have the power to, at will, make the calls....but, the need for duplicity is revealed in the fact that this soul knows it could have "the rug pulled out from under it's own feet" if the source of power greater than it finds out that they are playing their cards with a double agenda. 
   It is inevitable that this soul has had these past emotional shocks and confrontations and that they were directly linked to the above double agenda to access greater power.  The resulting confrontations and eliminated relationships resulted in these lessons of "social humility" and, in the positive evolutionary perspective, catalyzed the needed purification of the mind and intention (also referred to as releasing and resolving separating desires) 
   Basically, the soul was needing to learn that it can still have it's own special role while submerging itself in something greater than it is.  In the past, after a larger "metamorphic event" the 8th house pluto individual would have, for personal unconscious security reasons, begun to cling to the next self realized limits of their own power.  Within these limits, they began to again raise them self up and seek information to achieve a kingly/queenly role within their newly aquired capacities of power.  There would be a building up of tension within this matrix of reality as it became harder and harder to maintain top rung-the soul would go back to seeking the next more powerful union.  This situation created another cause of duplicity within the soul-mouth service to achieve two things that are working at cross purposes to each other. 
   Another potential response within the soul would be the clinging to the known limits, as seen in the fixed square here between pluto 8th and s. node 5th.  If the soul was in position to, out of fear, hold onto the existing merger/relationship, yet needing more and more praise for it's own role within it-but not receiving this attention in the relationship any longer-we see the inner tension that builds as this soul would have been "living two lives"-a duplicity cause in this example is that on the one hand it would be saying what it needs to say to "maintain and preserve the relationship" and, on the other hand, finding itself saying things with very different intention to others outside this relationship to get the attention and praise it was seeking. 
The lesson of "social humility" as seen in the 3rd inconjunct the 8th in this example could easily be seen in a publicly exposed affair resulting in the partner or self ending the relationship.  Most likely, based on degrees of the aspects as well as sign placement(with soul in 3rd consensus), we could deduce that this probably did happen at some point. 

how duplicity manifested in past lives

   I guess I wrapped this into the above.
I do need to add, inherent in pluto square to the nodes, that this soul has come in with two opposite paths to fulfill the core soul evolutionary intentions.  In the light of this duplicity pattern, the information that was sought after was used for bringing attention and praise to their creative gifts, yet simultaneously allowed he/she to see how they could find a social place for their talents.  Basically, this accessing information and attention indirectly served in the development of the n.node by allowing the mental realization of what really resonated for them in regards to how to bring forth to the world their creative gifts.  Given the sextile trine to the nodal axis(while inconjunct pluto), the s.node ruler is seen as communicating, taking in different perspectives and gathering information that was integrated into both their self liberation(11th) and self creation (5th) - this duplicity manifesting in directly bring praise and attention, indirectly allowing information to assist liberation - both processes(nodes) for the individual creating tension within the merger/union/relationship which they kept at the time.  For the relationship(8th) to "hold" this inherent tension within it, it needed the capacity to allow for constant growth and transformation. 
   Naturally, this was not always the case, in which both nodes would be seen in this attraction/repulsion  push/pull within the soul until the built up confrontation which was necessary for the release of all this tension.  Whether or not it was to lead to an "elimination" of that connection was revealed by asking if the connection would continue to allow the space for the soul's needed attention and self transformations.


and in this life?

   In true 8th house fashion, this individual would be fully aware of their own use of duel intentions within their consciousness.  In fact, out of their past life traumas and confrontations, we'd see this capacity to see thru others who also hold multiple agendas and intentions and/or conceal or hide part of their intentions.
So, this individual would approach relationships in an awkward guarded sort of way, drawn to the allure of joining with someone/thing greater in some way than itself, yet cautious as it protects it's needs of freedom while enjoying attention/affection and self satisfaction.  He/she would be looking for ways that they can have will power within the potential relationship in every moment-very drawn to this idea being in the position of king or queen, yet in that same moment, totally repulsed by this and simply wanted to merge but maintain total freedom of self.
This dualistic nature within them would be seen as they are internally drawn to their own self realized ability to get what they want(5th), simultaneously repulsed by it, yet realizing that this has also led to realizations of what inherently is and is not resonate with who they are(11th) 
There is clearly an inherent struggle within this person regarding coming to peace with their own inquisitive impulses and the karma that this leads into.

within this, given the total signature, the soul is needing to repeat relationships.

   This soul is needing to repeat relationships because they still need to learn lessons of humility in a social sense-how to bring their gifts into the world without it coming from grandiose ego needs.  They have liberated from relationships in their past(11 square to , skipping ahead while leaving issues of their own needs within relationship going unresolved.  They may have a wounded child inside that needs to learn to mature thru relationship.  Yes, they do deserve to be treated with "royal dignity", but they are learning the humbling lesson that everyone else also deserves this.  Karmically, they will come back face to face with others whom they had "used" (duplicity) just for their own needs to be met while still maintaining a power position.  Karmic confrontations in this lifetime thru relationship hopefully teach these lessons in humbleness-potentially learning to listen(n.node ruler 7) and not just hear the information that serves their own needs(s.node 5-ruler-3).

Apply  the causes and manifestation of double agendas to relationships in this life
how would inner evolutionary and karmic issue with own father manifest by way of own children?  what is the intent to have children that embody very inner dynamics that the soul has within regarding its own father?

This last part I will still work on, but not tonight.  Look forward to your feedback,
Thanks,
Bradley

Hi Bradley,

Keep going. You are correctly using the inherent reasoning of the EA paradigm to develop your analysis. Good work.

Rad

just a check in-
planning to find time to continue very soon.

Pluto 8th, s. node 5th w/ruler 3rd: late consensus: Duplicity relative to father and in fathering own children:

This soul, naturally drawn to relationships which compelled them due to the power within the other, would have experienced in this and previous lives the impact and challenge of  a father of strong will, whose own creative purposes would have kept them from accessing the relationships which they were naturally drawn to.
This sets up the natural conflict of interests(5th square 8th) relative to the soul as a child and youth being controlled when wanting to branch out and connect with specific others.
This would have been some of the early life dynamics, coupled with the unconscious memories of having had this experience before, which lead to the inquisitive nature of the soul which allowed them to access information which allowed them to manifest their own creative purpose relative to joining with selected others.
The duplicity within this would, early on, been subjective to the individual and purely for the survival of accessing the power to exercise their own will.  So, the point here is that they learned early on(or long ago) how to pose questions and have conversations in such a way that they gained insight into how they could use their own creative will power to merge with who and when, while simultaneously concealing this desire-there in lies the duplicity of this dynamic/signature.
   As they grew older, this dynamic would still play out in the will of their father, yet they would also begin to see that they were experiencing their own struggle to creatively actualize their own desires within the relationships that they had sought out of their own desire.  How this dynamic was handled and situations that played out would be relevant to previous posts in which we described this souls relationship dynamics in past and present lives.
   Moving on to their own experience as a parent of their own children.  Certainly, of course, we would have to understand the culture of birth and socially "normal" roles with in the family-relative to the gender of the soul in this life.  Knowing that this soul is late consensus, the power that would naturally draw them in would be relationships that would increase their wealth and/or social power.  To achieve this, they would have, relative to the south node, seek ways to find their creative role in these relationships-something that could be pulling them away from their children.  They may see themselves acting "just like their father" in ways they find themselves communicating with their children.  In this conversation, they would control with their own will by questioning their children in such a way as to maintain the creative space they need to keep access to the power/relationship/money that they are drawn to.
   As discussed earlier, this duplicity in personality and communication as a parent was only partly fulfilling their evolutionary intentions in previous lives.  While we would see it repeat, we would also know that part of them for a long time was also repulsed by the nature of this-their own pattern.  Part of them would have been, instead of seeking out information to figure out how they would/could achieve royal status, this other part of them is simultaneously casting off relationships and/or transforming pre-existing relationships/business partnerships by releasing their own attachments to finding their own purpose as soon as they sensed the "merger" did not resonate at a core level with their own values.
   As a parent, through the experience/passage of parenthood, they would certainly encounter within the constant attempts to be "in control" a crisis within the relationships to their own children.  In a positive scenario, this experience of parenting would allow them to find their own creative purpose partially fulfilled thru the experience of being a parent.  Thru constant dialouge with their own children they may realize within their own creative needs that have not been met in their past relationships.   They would still need outside sources of power, but if they are truly evolving, we could see the polarity point activated in that they would free their self(11) from these outside relationships( which did not resonate at a core level with their own evolving values.(ppp-2)  This would free them to come into their own center of power. 
   If, as a parent, the crisis of confrontations with their own children revealed to them on a conscious level their use and abuse of power and willl by holding double agendas, they could thru crisis/experience, resolve issues pertaining to how they use their will for their own security.  In this, we could see resolution thru the south node 5th(pluto applying to s. node) which would allow them to begin to activate the capacity to come into their own center of power-learning to be self reliant to acheive the needed resources by their self(ppp-2) as apposed to seeking this thru others. 
   From this, they can be empowered to caste off what is not true to who they are(n.node 11th) by learning to listen to other's openly(n. node ruler 7th)(without having a hidden agenda as the reason for listening-resolved s. node-5/ruler-3).
   
   Rad, do I have this right?  I am trying to hold the concept of pluto applying to the south node-resolving the crisis of duplicity and self needs for creative purpose before being able to realize the pluto polarity point and truly integrate the north node via the ruler of.

Many thanks once again,
Bradley

HI Bradley,

"Rad, do I have this right?  I am trying to hold the concept of pluto applying to the south node-resolving the crisis of duplicity and self needs for creative purpose before being able to realize the pluto polarity point and truly integrate the north node via the ruler of."

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     I am following your reasoning within the paradigm, and what your deductions are because of that reasoning. You are relatively new to this work and as you have more experience with it, especially when you do the charts of others over a length of time, your evaluations will become more succinct and efficient.

     The N.Node, and the location of it's ruler, can BE REALIZED at any time depending on the choices of the Soul itself, and the desires that fuel those choices. We must remember that Pluto in the 8th is squaring both Nodes. As such, both Nodes, and their rulers, have been in operation prior to the current life. The reason that they are in square to the Pluto is DUE TO PRIOR CHOICES fueled by the desires coming from the Soul itself. And those choices have lead to the current evolutionary state that correlate to the skipped steps.

     We must remember that this has been a Soul that, within itself, considered itself to be the center of the universe and has expected, desired, that everything that it has created for it's lives to revolve around the Soul itself. This narcissistic orientation to life has been fueled by the Soul's desire for absolute power in which the Soul has learned the nature of the social systems in order to use and manipulate it with it's will so that such power could be realized. In essence, the Soul became a master chess player in which it learned to manipulate as necessary all the 'pieces' of it's lives in order or it's desires to be realized. And this has included of course all the people, including children, lovers, business partners, wives or husbands, friends, anyone in essence. This is where the dynamics of duplicity come in via the ruler of the S.Node being in the 3rd: to say or do anything in order for the Soul's desires to be realized.

     Yet, prior to the current life, the Soul has desired metamorphose this orientation to reality, to desire the opposite: the N.Node in the 11th, ruler in the 7th. And that opposite has meant evolving itself to be one among many, and equal within the fabric of social and intimate relationships. It has desired to confront all the inner psychological dynamics that are rooted in the desire for absolute power at all costs, and the self serving narcissism this has bread. This includes of course the psychology that has caused the duplicity. This desire to purge and eliminate these desires has manifested in the form of others, including the Soul's children, intimate partners, friends, associations of all kinds, the 11th House N.Node, the ruler in the 7th, who have had the necessary role of CONFRONTING the Soul. And these confrontations have had the intent of putting the Soul's motives and the agendas those motives have manifested as, in it's face.

     In this way the intent has been, as originating from within the Soul itself, to enforce a necessary OBJECTIFICATION OF ITSELF because of these confrontations which are very much like holding up a mirror to oneself. It is the SHOCK, 8th House Pluto, that these objectifying confrontations have that then causes the Soul to become REPULSED from within itself, at itself. Remembering that the polarity point for this Soul is the 2nd House we then know that a core intention, ongoing, is radically alter it's inner relationship to itself. In turn this correlates to radically altering what constitutes the meaning for the Soul's life, and what constitutes the new values that reflect that new meaning. Since the S.Node in the 5th is the Node that last formed a conjunction to the 8th House Pluto, this then means that the Soul, in an evolutionary change, will actualize itself in very creative and powerful ways yet, at the same time, be one among many, equal among equals, a giver rather than a taker, and who will embrace the individual differences of others without feeling threatened by those differences. It will consistently empower others to be who their inherently are, and the Soul will continue to learn how to listen objectively to others in order to give to them what they actually need. It will no longer need to be duplicit.

     The role of the Soul's children of course will be central to this evolutionary process because each one of the children WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN THE FATHER: N.Node in the 11th relative to the S.Node in the 5th. If the father attempts to dominate and control them each one of these children will rebel and assert their own rights to be who they are, need to be. And, again, this breads necessary confrontation to the Soul in order to continue to evolve in the ways that it intends as above.

     You are doing real good Bradley. Just keep going. I will try to help you as much as I can, as much as you need me too.

      God Bless, Rad



     

Rad,
Well said, wow! Thanks
It is awesome how much personal awarenesses come up on this journey.
I read your response and know where you are getting the intepretation from the symbols.
Sometimes it is like the symbols are soo real and right on, it is like I am almost afraid to interpret them completely as they read.
Of course, yes so much to learn being new to EA. 
And to unlearn with 10 years of study under other approaches.  I find myself "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" at times....and then reminding myself that I am farmiliar with the archetypes, but need to continue to re-orient around the CORE of each as taught according to Wolf.
What a blessing this journey is.

As you have suggested, continue to submerge into the EA paradigm.  Still on Pluto book ONe and watching and rewatching the first 10 dvds over and over.

Rad, regarding the practice charts thread here, what is next?  Where are we at with this assignment?
Anything else you would suggest us to meditate on and study about the dynamics within this signature?

God Bless,
Bradley

Hi Bradley,

Well, have been waiting for Linda to send the completion of this current paradigm in order to begin anew. So Linda if you read this please let me know if you so intend to do. If not, then we can begin another practice chart. And, if we begin a new one, I would like those who are participating in this practice chart thread to let me know if you'all want to stay with how we have been doing them to date, or if you want to begin to add a bit more of the paradigm to them as in putting Pluto, the Nodes, and their planetary rulers in signs. That would be the next step.

And, Bradely, despite having to unlearn those ten years of prior study of astrology you are doing real, real good in your grasping of the EA paradigm. Just keep going ..................

God Bless, Rad