Planetary Nodes

[Rad]

Hi Linda and Ari,

First I want to commend you both for making the EA effort  that you have to try to understand this potential phenomena of the immaculate conception relative to the mother of Jesus. The various symbols that you both used to arrive at your analysis all reflected this possibility.

I think we would all agree that the phenomena of a immaculate conception would be considered to be a pretty unusual phenomena. Biologically speaking it is indeed possible for a conception to happen in this way as various biological scientists have proved. In essence it comes down to 'a cellular' reproduction wherein a cell can reproduce itself from within itself. There are various forms of life that do indeed reproduce themselves in this way. As an aside, many years ago there was a book written by some evolutionary biologists from England called 'The Redundant Male' in which these biologists presented their work about this way of reproduction and demonstrated that women still have this genetic capacity.

Looking at the birth chart of Jesus the signature certainly exists for this way of being conceived to have occurred. When Mary was 'visited' by the Light, the Light of God, that created the conception of the Soul of Jesus it was this Light infusing her own Soul that simultaneously triggered the physiological processes within her that created a fetus in which the Soul of Jesus thus inhabited. The Soul of Jesus was within the Light that infused Mary's soul.

Understood in this way the astrological signature in the chart of Jesus becomes straight forwards. It starts of course with his S.Node conjunct Neptune in his 11th House which is square to his Mercury in Aquarius which, in turn, is square his N.Node in Taurus in the 5th House. Here we can certainly see the symbols for an 'unusual' conception leading the the birth of the Soul of Jesus. In these symbols we can see the infusion of the Light of God triggering a physiological process leading to the immaculate conception within Mary that lead to the birth of the Soul of Jesus. This is reinforced by the ruler of his N.Node in Taurus in the 5th: his Venus is Pisces which is conjunct his Saturn, Vesta, Sun, and Moon. The symbols of a divine Mother and Father now become clear. And, of course, all those Pisces planets come back to his S.Node conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 11th. We can even see in these symbols the threat the to the life of baby Jesus that required Mary and Joseph to hide him in order for his survival to happen: the ruler of the Neptune, S.Node being Pluto with Mars in Virgo in the 9th in opposition to all those Pisces planets. Thus, 'traveling' to a safe place in order for baby Jesus to survive: in a manger surrounded by animals. The need to travel in order to protect baby Jesus, his survival, is also symbolized by his Mercury in his 2nd House, ruled by the 3rd House Uranus in opposition to his Pluto. Additionally, his S.Node of Venus and Vesta is also in his 2nd House which also refers back to his natal Saturn in Pisces conjunct the rest of his Pisces planets.

The next issue is of course why Mary ? Why this Soul ? And what is the connection, the common thread, to Mary of Magdalena ? To answer these questions it is essential to understand actual his/her story versus the invented mythologies of each. So let's try to see this again through the chart of Jesus himself, and his own actual histories.

God Bless, Rad



 

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,
One point of clarification- is conception a 5th house/Sun association or a 4th house/Moon? Thank you

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

Conception is Scorpio, the 8th House, and, of course, Pluto. Taurus, the 2nd House, and the inner side of Venus all correlate to the procreation instinct where that instinct is a function of the survival of the species. The 8th House, Pluto, and Scorpio correlate to the sexual union of two Souls that thus allows for a conception of another Soul to take place. The result of this conception will be the birth of a child: the natural squares to the 5th House, Leo, and the Sun from the 2nd, Taurus, and the inner side of Venus.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

The next issue is of course why Mary ? Why this Soul ? And what is the connection, the common thread, to Mary of Magdalena ? To answer these questions it is essential to understand actual his/her story versus the invented mythologies of each. So let's try to see this again through the chart of Jesus himself, and his own actual histories.

Hi Rad,

Not sure how to answer these questions, but I've put in the effort to try.  

Jesus' SN of Saturn Cap 1st sextiles Moon, Sun and Vesta Pisces 3rd - and sextiles NN Taurus 5th.  This could describe a karmic contract between Jesus, his mother Mary and Mary Magdelena.  These are all disposited by Neptune Scorpio 11th conjunct the SN.  It was destined in their 'group' that Mary bring birth to Jesus (Taurus 5th) and for Magdelena to be his companion (Vesta Pisces 3rd).

Moon = Mary
Sun = Jesus
Vesta = Magdelena
(all tightly conjunct, a stellium, in Pisces 3rd)

SN of Neptune = Source energy
SN of Venus (ruler of Taurus 5th) = mother Mary
SN of Vesta = Mary Magdelena
(all form a stellium in Cap 1st & 2nd)

All of the planets in Jesus' chart are "feminine" (except for Mercury) showing the love, devotion and caring the three shared for one another.

The "water" trinity in Jesus' chart is made up of the NN of Neptune in Cancer 7th - SN Neptune Scorpio - and the Pisces planets in the 3rd.

Mary Magdelena was a close companion to Jesus, and was said to be his favourite disciple.  Their teacher/disciple relationship is signified by Vesta (divine servant) in the 3rd house, Virgo (disciple, service), 9th house (Natural Law, travel), and the NN of Jupiter, Uranus and Vesta 6th (disciple).

Vesta, the Great Mother Goddess, personified by the Moon, was represented by the sacred flame symbolizing the kundalini fire and secret powers of sexual transmutation.  Vesta correlates to Virgo (the virgin) and Scorpio (sex and passion), and the combination is associated with sex on a visceral and subconscious level as a ritualistic act of service.

Vesta Pisces 3rd (symbolizing Magdelena) squares the NN of Vesta Gemini 6th could account for health problems such as mental instability/illness (?) which were healed and purified by Jesus.  On the other hand, Vesta (hearth) is associated with the Latin word for "focus" - to concentrate on a specific task or goal, tying in with the Virgo work ethic and meticulous approach to problem-solving.  The NNs of Uranus, Jupiter, Vesta and Pluto in Gemini 6th & 7th, all ruled by Mercury in Aquarius, show the "unusual" relationship between them.  

Mercury Aquarius 2nd ruling the 7th house cusp correlates to self-reliance in his relationships, while the Moon Pisces 3rd ruling his 8th house cusp correlates to intimate relationships (if any).

While Mary Magdelena had 'problems,' his mother Mary was portrayed as 'free of sin.'  This could correlate to the Virgo/Pisces polarity.  

Mary = Pisces (pure and innocent)
Magdelena = Virgo, Vesta and NN of Vesta Gemini 6th (in need of purification)

Mother Mary and Jesus are symbolized by Moon conjunct Sun Pisces 3rd.  She and Jesus were united as One, in the Spiritual state, their lives were completely surrendered to the will of God.

The NN of Neptune Cancer 7th and the NN of Saturn Cancer 7th shows Jesus' destiny, the 'extremes' suffered on the cross, and the main relationships in his life with the two Mary's.  

The NN of Chiron sits in Libra in the 10th house, conjunct the MC, symbolizing "healing" for humanity through suffering the extremes on the cross, and his message of equality for everyone reaching the whole world.  

The NN of Chiron 10th (wound) squares the NN of Saturn 7th, and this shows the sacrifice Jesus made so that others could step over into the higher consciousness of the outer planets to heal their relationship with God.  He showed the 'way' to heal the imbalances and distortions of the patriarchy.

The midpoint of the NN of Chiron and the NN of Saturn opposes Mercury Aquarius 2nd (the "skipped steps").  This midpoint in the 8th (death and resurrection) forms a grand cross with Mercury and the Nodes, and reminded me of the "cross" that Jesus died upon.  Cancer on the 8th house cusp denotes conception, the womb, tomb, and resurrection.

Jesus' SN of Jupiter and SN of Pluto are conjunct the Galactic Centre 28 Sag.  

I hope some of this accurate.

Thanks Rad!

[Rad]

Hi Linda,

Thanks for making the effort you have. Let's wait for Ari to share his analysis before I share my own.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Rad,

You've reached 1,000 posts today!
And the messageboard is almost 2 years old.
Thank you so much for everything.

Love and Blessings,
Linda

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad and Linda, I'm quite busy right now. I'll be creating the time to work on this tomorrow or the next day.

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

The next issue is of course why Mary ? Why this Soul ? And what is the connection, the common thread, to Mary of Magdalena ? To answer these questions it is essential to understand actual his/her story versus the invented mythologies of each. So let's try to see this again through the chart of Jesus himself, and his own actual histories.

From what I've gathered so far, I have found two general accounts as to who Mary of Magdalena was.
The new testament version presents her as someone who was cleansed by Jesus, and is regarded just as the "disciple to the disciples". However the gnostic gospels clearly present the opposite imagine. Quote from the gospel of Mary:

After Mary had said these things, she was silent, since it was up to this point that the Savior had spoken to her.
     Andrew responded, addressing the brothers and sisters, "Say what you will about the things she has said, but I do not believe that the S[a]vior said these things, f[or] indeed these teachings are strange ideas."
     Peter responded, bringing up similar concerns. He questioned them about the Savior: "Did he, then, speak with a woman in private without our knowing about it? Are we to turn around and listen to her? Did he choose her over us?" 

This to me seems to point to a deep intimacy, trust and love between Jesus and Mary Magdala. The nature of this relationship, having been a threat to the patriarchal conditioning. I think the point here is that the story of Jesus and Mary has been highly misconstrued through the filter of the patriarchy.

This opens up the question, what was the role of the divine feminine in this story? Who was Mary Magdala?

As I have learned here, Vesta correlates to sexual initiation rites, the way that was used by mothers to initiate their own children during the time of the matriarchy. It also correlates to the distortion that has occurred over time linked to sacred sexual initiation.

Vesta is conjunct the whole stellium in Pisces in the 3rd, which includes Venus and Saturn. The north node of Vesta in Gemini in the 6th is squaring that natal stellium in the 3rd. It's hard for me to interpret this accurately- I feel this has to do with words being misconstrued as a result of a misunderstanding of the use of sexuality/the role of the feminine linked to patriarchal jealousy (Vesta). This may be reflected in the distorted gospels (words) that have not pictured the true story, especially when it came to the role of the divine feminine.

I can see from this the possibility that perhaps Mary served the role to help Jesus stay connected to Mother Earth - the natural square between the 6th and 3rd house correlates to keeping focused on the work that one has to do, in this context literally pointing to the oneness between spirit and flesh.

I don't quite know how to approach your question "why Mary?" when asking about Jesus's mother.
Thank you.
Ari Moshe

[Rad]

Hi Linda and Ari,

Thank you both for making the effort that you both have over this questions and issues. They can be difficult to address only because the actual history of not only Jesus, but both Mary's, has been so horribly distorted through time relative to various agendas by others that necessitated those distortions. This included what to put in the Bible in the 4th Century, and what not. Other disciples had their own 'gospels' other than what were 'allowed' in the current Bible when it was first put together. And we must also remember that even all those gospels were not written by the disciples themselves. They were written by others who were exposed to the various disciples in which whatever it is that they had to say was passed down to others primarily by word of mouth at first, and then, finally recorded as written words. So, obviously, that in and of itself can create a 'reality' that is not necessarily the actual reality of the words that were spoken by the disciples when they spoke them. One of those gospels was the gospel of Phillip. Within that gospel stands the actual truth of the relationship of Jesus to Mary Magdalena.

To understand both Mary's it is important, again, to understand the nature of Jesus, his Soul, and his own evolutionary/ karmic background which we have discussed some in this thread. A deep, core, part of his Soul reality is one of desiring to teach Natural Law, and to act upon it. In essence, the natural principles of Creation as manifested on the Earth. Of course this did collide with all others whose 'religions' , and the moralities that were extensions of them, were in violation of those natural principles. A simple of example of this was his absolute rage at the 'money changers' at the temple in Jerusalem. But deeper than this was his rage at false religions that were used as justifications to treat men as superior to women first and foremost. Within that the downtrodden, the persecuted, anyone who was considered odd or strange and treated as they were because of this, the sick and all those who would be taken advantage of by others who had distorted religious or philosophical realities within them.

His desire, and one of his deepest 'missions', was to demonstrate the core equality of all humans, and that those who were being treated and judged badly by peoples who had false religions are just as 'holy' as those who already considered themselves holy. Remember here the story of the 'tax collector' who all despised. Even that tax collector became one of his disciples. And of course the story of stoning an adulterer and prostitute his words to those who would throw the stones was something like 'for those of you who have not sinned, throw the first stone'. Of course they could not.

The common thread of both Mary's is the thread of prostitution. Relative to his mother Mary this is why he also had siblings: half brothers and sisters. She was rescued or saved by what was to become her husband: Joseph. In essence he took her in, yet did not want to have intimate sexual relations with her. Mary's Soul nature was one of intense faith, and wanting to live for, and do, God's work. Long ago in her own history she was one of the original 'sacred prostitutes' that were created by men around 5,500 BC. That role was created by men as they progressively suppressed the natural role of Vesta in the natural times, called the matriarchy now, that proceeded the progressive patriarchal takeover of those natural times. This is why the sacred prostitute of those times was thought of as being able to 'absolve' men of their sins: all that they had done wrong as a consequence of being in violation of the Natural Laws, the natural principles of Creation. One of half brothers of Jesus was a Soul named Steven. And it is this Steven who tried to start the first 'church' that taught the teachings of Jesus himself. And, of course, he was destroyed as Jesus had been destroyed.

And, of course, Jesus had his own prior life connections to the Soul of this Mary. It is enough to know that without going into much more detail. The point is that it all lead to the moment that was to be called the 'immaculate conception'. That a 'prostitute', a former one, could be used by God in this way so as to teach humans, to remind them, of Natural Laws, of natural principles. To make them aware of the distortions of their own 'religious' doctrines, and the wrong judgments of humans because of. Mary's core desire, again, was to dedicate herself to God, and to do God's work. And it was her faith in that natural God that allowed her to be 'visited' in the way that she was that allowed for physiological process to occur called the immaculate conception.

Mary Magdalena was a Soul that Jesus also had deep prior life connections too, and those included some intimate bonding's in certain lives. She was also linked to the original 'sacred prostitutes' in the time that Mary the mother of Jesus was also part of. They had a very intense bond in the life they shared in this way. When she first approached Jesus in the life of Jesus he immediately remembered, of course, his prior life linkages to her just as he did with John the Baptist. And it was her own deep desire to to know God, and to do God's work, her FAITH in God, that then set in motion her relationship with Jesus. This was all part of his 'mission' and teachings for those in Judea, and beyond, that created the scenarios with both his mother Jesus, and Mary Magdalena.

The relationship Jesus had with Mary Magdalena was also about him recovering some of his own 'skipped steps' as symbolized by his Mercury squaring his Lunar Nodes. And that Mercury is also the ruler of his 7th House. This means that relative to his S.Nodes of Venus, Vesta, and the S.Node of Mercury that he has also accepted in certain recent lives leading to the life of Jesus the distorted patriarchal doctrines of required 'celibacy' in order to know God. His Soul had to rebel against that false doctrine in order to recover his skipped steps in this way. With his natal Juno conjunct his natal Mercury he thus remembered the natural teaching of natural sexuality that others have termed tantra. This was also done, again, in order to confront the 'moralities', the rights and wrongs, of the false religious teachings of the culture of his birth, and beyond. And we must remember a simple historical fact: in Judea no man was allowed to teach or lecture in the synagogues unless he was married. Jesus did so teach and lecture in these synagogues.

Mary was indeed his disciple as well. She served in many ways as an intermediary between him and the other disciples. The reason is that Jesus taught through metaphor, parables, and analogies. She was able to help the disciples understand the meaning of his words. This was one of her primary roles. And, of course, she was chosen to be present with the mother of Jesus, Mary, upon the Resurrection. This was deliberate for the reasons that must be clear now. She ended up living a very long life in which, after Jesus was killed, she journeyed with the disciple John ending up a small island called Patos in what is now called Turkey.    

So this is the common thread of both of the Mary's, and the fact of Jesus having half brothers and sisters. It is also important to know, or understand, that because of Jesus teaching that men and women are equal, and demonstrating this in many ways including both Mary's, that for the first two centuries both men and women taught her teachings equally. By the time the Bible was being assembled this teaching of his was then progressively repressed and utterly distorted to where only men could be priests.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Thanks for that great explanation Rad. 

It all makes complete sense, the relationship between the three:

Jesus -- "A deep, core, part of his Soul reality is one of desiring to teach Natural Law, and to act upon it."

Mary -- "Mary's Soul nature was one of intense faith, and wanting to live for, and do, God's work."

Magdelena -- "And it was her own deep desire to to know God, and to do God's work, her FAITH in God, that then set in motion her relationship with Jesus."

Question:  Is it possible to find correlations to God's will in the chart of Jesus?  Of course all the correlations are there:  Neptune, 12th, Pisces, the water trinity, 9th house (Natural Law), etc.  But where would one look specifically in a chart to gauge the will of God?

Thank you.

[Rad]

Hi Linda,

Through the natural water trinity of Pisces, Cancer, and Scorpio where Scorpio, Pluto, correlate with the phenomena of will. Thus, via this natural water trinity we see the progressive transference in the center of gravity within consciousness wherein the Soul, Pluto, Scorpio, the 8th House becomes conscious and centered in it's own Source: God/ess. Thus, the egocentric orientation of course changes: the Moon, Cancer and the 4th House evolving through the 8th, to the 12, etc. In so doing the will of the Soul becomes progressively one with the will of God/ess. Thus, in the chart of Jesus we see his Neptune in Scorpio conjunct his S.Node of the Moon. The ruler's then become the Pluto conjunct his Mars. Acting out the will of God where his personal will is the will  of God'ess.

God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Thank you for explaining that Rad.

Given his nn in the 5th house which is ruled by Mars in the 9th, opposing the ruler of the nn- does this give validity to the story that he in fact had a child with Mary, who then later traveled to another land with that child? This would indicate that this too was the will of God.

If so, what would the purpose of that have been? To have an actual human descendant.
Thank you.

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

No, there is no truth in that at all.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Ari and Linda,

Would you both like to continue a little bit more with the life of Jesus, or move on ? Relative to Jesus we could focus on his day of Crucifixion, and the chart of the moment of his passing. For example he had both the N.Node of Mars and Venus in Aries in his 4th.  On that day the transiting Sun was conjunct these Nodes. And, of course, these refer back to his natal Mars conjunct Pluto in Virgo in the 9th, which also refers to his natal S.Node and Neptune in Scorpio in his 11th. They also oppose all of his Pisces planets: a perfect symbol for being crucified for his beliefs, 9th, even though he was 'formally' charged and convicted of sedition: Scorpio. The moment of his passing was actually recorded in one of the Roman army personal who was there to guard the event, and to serve as the witness to his passing. And, at that moment, the 'sky went dark' according to this Roman army guard. Of course there were no astronomical reasons that would explain that phenomena. Yet, looking into the chart of Jesus with his N.Nodes of Venus and Mars in Aries in his 4th, the transiting Sun, one can see the symbols God induced phenomena: the 4th House is within the hours of darkness. So here we see the transiting Sun going dark at that moment of his passing.

The transiting Venus was exactly conjunct his natal Sun as well. Anyway, if you two want to go into this more let me know. If not let me know if you would like to keep this thread going as we can work on other charts.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Thanks Rad, I would like to learn a little more about the complete life of Jesus.  I will examine your analysis of the crucifixion in the attached chart, and will try to answer any questions you may pose.  This thread is healing misconceptions about Jesus during the last 2,000 years of the Age of Pisces, including the Sub-Age of Virgo.  I'd also be interested in learning about the resurrection, if possible.