The Birthchart of Jesus

[Gonzalo]

Dear Rad and Adina

I am now posting what I am able to see in Jesus birthchart. A big part of this was already posted at the practice chart thread.



Pluto Rx is conjunct Mars Rx in the 9th House Virgo, new phase. South Node in the 11th House Scorpio balsamic conjunct Neptune Rx, ruled by Pluto. North Node is in the 5th House Taurus. Ruler Venus is in the 3th House Pisces. Mercury is stationary/direct in the 2nd House Aquarius squaring the nodal axis.

Pluto has the following aspects: sextile to the South Node and trine the North Node; sextile Neptune; conjunct Mars; and opposed to the stellium of planets in the 3rd House Pisces: Gibbous opposition Uranus, Jupiter, and the Moon, and Full Phase opposition Sun, Saturn, and Venus.

The South Node has the following aspects: Last Quarter sextile Pluto, balsamic conjunct Neptune, Last Quarter semisquare Mars, square Mercury, First Quarter trine Uranus, Jupiter, Moon, Sun, Saturn, Venus.
The North Node has the following aspects: Disseminating trine Pluto, Full Phase opposition Neptune, square Mercury, First Quarter sesquisquare Mars, Last Quarter septile Venus.

North Node ruler Venus has the following aspects: Full Phase opposition Pluto, Last Quarter septile to the North Node, First Quarter Trine the North Node, First Quarter sesquisquare Neptune, Balsamic conjunct Saturn, Gibbous opposition Mars, New Phase conjunct Sun, Balsamic semisextile Mercury.
Mercury, which squares the nodal axis, has also these aspects: First Quarter bi-septile Neptune, Gibbous inconjunct Mars, Balsamic semisextile Venus.

I have kept in mind that this is the birthchart of an incredible and magnificent Soul, and an incredibly evolved Soul. He was not only full of knowledge, but also full of Divine Love. Said this, I think that, given the current time frame, ie. the transition between Pisces Age and Aquarius Age, it is still necessary to reflect on the impact that the teachings of Jesus have had in our evolution. A relevant part of this reflection should deal with what needs to be evolved beyond pertaining to the Pisces Age, including spiritual masochism. It is clear that an important part of what JWG has done through delivering this sacred paradigm called EA, deals with the need to leave behind masochism, including spiritual masochism, as necessary to re-align with natural law. So, we know that Jesus was this magnificent and Divine loving Soul. However, we also know that he was crucified. And that, further, many others along these two millennia have desired to be crucified, literally or symbolically. Given this historical fact, it would be necessary to consider whether this phenomenon has any roots in the teachings and the life of Jesus, who was the supreme example for those having this type of desires.

I apologize if I what I say results in any way offensive to anybody. My intention is based on what I said before, and in my own personal need to gain a deeper understanding. I thank Rad for allowing me to post this analysis and to ask questions about this chart.

Jesus was at the end of the 3rd Stage Spiritual Evolutionary Condition: he was an Avatar. JWG says he was not perfect, not totally evolved, because such condition is not possible on Earth. Yukteswar says, according to Yogananda (chapter 43 of his autobiography), that Jesus had already reached final and total liberation, ie. the definitive merging with the Source, prior to incarnating as Jesus. From my modest point of view, JWG seems to be right. Perhaps both points of view are right, as seen from an out of space-time reality perspective.

This signature indicates past lives crises and trauma, relating to the different type of followers that Jesus attracted. This crises and trauma would be recreated in some way, because Mercury squares the nodal axis, and because the Pluto polarity point and the North Node ruler are ruled by Neptune, which is conjunct the South Node, with Neptune being balsamic to the South Node.

With Pluto in the 9th House Virgo ruling the Neptune/South Node conjunction in the 11th House in Scorpio, Jesus was born with spiritual trauma, originating in past lives experiences of disillusionment: disillusionment about the impact of his own teachings and/or belief systems in society, and their capacity to help people at social level to embrace evolution. It would be disillusionment about societies and groups of people in general, and about belief systems. This Soul would have incarnated in critical periods in human evolution where severe imbalances existed between men and natural law, and would have experienced collective cataclysmic events resulting in the death of whole groups of people (11th House). He would have witnessed the craziness of people in face of this collective events and time frames, and within that craziness, their spiritual distortions. He would have incarnated in the context of polytheist societies, in societies where people would worship idols and demons (Neptune in Scorpio in the 11th House). Also time frames when false prophets with delusive teachings were massively followed. Further, at times and cultures which based their relationship with their "deities" on violence, through sacrifices, including human sacrifices. This practices would be the expression of their belief systems, ie. religions, through which groups of people (11th House) would attempt to purge the own inner feelings of impurity (Neptune in Scorpio, ruled by Pluto in Virgo) by means of creating a delusive sense of purity and ultimate rightness (Neptune in Scorpio) through the illusion (Neptune) that the felt impurity belonged to others (11th House) who had to be detached or excluded (11th House) from the social group in order for the social group to recover its purity and peace: scapegoats. This would generate a religious attitude in some of these groups consisting on pretending to be purer than others (Neptune in Scorpio). These would be societies inwardly defined by inequality, violence and power, including symbolic and religious domination and sexual violence, alienation and sacrifice of personal individuality of people to people in power, societies utterly dominated by power of groups of people or by other societies. They would also be societies where their scapegoats would be minorities carrying the burden of the impurity felt by those in positions of power.

Jesus tried to help these peoples to align with natural law, true teachings, and with the True God, the Source of All Things. He would have acted as a prophet in order to warn these peoples about the existing imbalances and distortions, and the consequences thereof. Because of his inner knowledge, he would have been compulsively compelled by these types of circumstances to do so (Pluto 9th House). Also, he would have had visions of prophetic nature about cataclysmic events which would be the consequence of the existing imbalances, and at the same time, would have past lives memories of historical events of this nature.

Jesus had the capacity to see others at their Soul level, and hence, at the level of their potential. He was defined by the ideals implied at that potential level of Souls (Neptune in Scorpio in the 11th House). At the same time, he would have faced core disillusionments because of people's failure to actualize that potential, causing that changes that needed to occur in fact did not occur. He would perceive these failures as a manifestation of the struggle between good and evil occurring not only within these societies and on Earth, but in a larger or universal context (9th House Pluto, Neptune in Scorpio).

He would be disillusioned with peoples and further, with belief systems. Why? Because he would have spent lifetimes in which he tried to induce the evolution of social groups and to prevent cataclysmic events, through teaching at the level of beliefs. He would have struggled against all sorts of lies, distorted beliefs, false prophecies, spiritual delusions, etc. as they interfered with the evolution of peoples and with their alignment with natural law. He would have tried to convince and convert through spiritual teachings, and would have experienced a relative failure of all this efforts (Pluto in Virgo, Mars in Virgo), this producing the disillusionment. He would have tried along a series of lifetimes to further purify and refine its own belief system (Pluto in the 9th House being in Virgo, and Rx), to synthesize teachings, and to further align his spiritual understanding with the true nature of things as directly known through relationship with the Source. The type of crises experienced would have caused the Soul to analyze (Virgo) the nature of his beliefs, in order to find out if there was anything wrong in them, which could be the cause of his relative failure in producing the desired changes socially. This would have occurred by means of a necessary withdrawal from social scenarios and immersion in nature (9th House Pluto). Though, at the same time, this Soul would have defined him/herself through the idealistic need to deliver its increasing knowledge in social context (South Node in the 11th House ruled by Pluto in the 9th House in Virgo, Neptune being sextile Pluto).

Neptune being balsamic conjunct the South Node would not only correlate to the spiritual trauma (11th House) but also shows the expansion of consciousness and the level of God realization existing at the end of the 3rd stage spiritual condition. Neptune being ruled by Pluto in the 9th House, indicates the role that metaphysical and spiritual teachings played in promoting such development of consciousness, ie. the importance that teachings and metaphysical/spiritual understanding had for this Soul. This would reinforce the Soul's desires to share his knowledge with others.

Because of the scapegoat dynamics this Soul has perceived/uncovered in the societies he has tried to help evolve, and the crises in beliefs he/she has undergone leading to deep inner analyses, he would also be learning, even at his evolutionary stage, lessons about discrimination (Virgo). The necessary discrimination would refer to whom to teach and whom not, based on the relativity of his knowledge in relation to the actual reality of different people (the Pluto polarity point in the 3rd House, and the opposition of all the Pisces planets, all ruled by Neptune in the 11th House). His Soul had the capacity and desire to communicate not just "belief systems", but to induce, through the nature of his words, the expanded awareness that he was tuned into. With the North Node ruler in the 3th House being in the second decanate of Pisces (a Cancer decanate), and being conjunct the Moon, he would desire to teach at a very personal level, ie. a reduced community of close followers which he perceived as being prepared to understand and to embrace the higher reality he talked about and that defined his whole life. This symbols correlate also with desires to have a private life of his own, and his own family (asteroid Magdalene is at 5° Sagittarius, in the 12th House, squaring the Moon; asteroid Maryam is in the 12th House at 14° Sagittarius, squaring Venus: "There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion ("¦) And the Companion of the Christ is Maryam the Magdalene. The Lord loved Maryam more than all the other Disciples, and he kissed her often on her mouth. The other women saw his love for Maryam, they say to him: Why do thou love her more than all of us?"). However, the unresolved issues concerning the impact of his teachings at social level, and the perceived state of social crisis, would still induce a compulsive desire to try to "rescue" more massive groups of people. And, of course, other more massive groups of people were attracted to this Soul, because of their own expectations for an external savior or Mesiah. I think, too, that this Soul could have been obsessed with his visions, and existing prophecies, concerning the need to "give his life" for salvation of these peoples. This could imply perceiving his mission or role within the cosmic struggle between good and evil through a spiritually masochistic view.

With Mars in New Phase conjunction to Pluto, in the 9th House/Virgo, he spent the first part of his life travelling. These travels would have had the purpose of receiving teachings in order to actualize his inner knowledge, and healing of the crises/trauma (Virgo). Also, a purpose of disseminating his teachings at other places and cultures. He then came back to a perceived center of social evil, where he began delivering his public teachings, and created persecution against him. This persecution would originate, in patriarchal context, because of a compounded effect. There would be a massive resistance to accept the truth contained in his teachings. Truly embracing his teachings would require people making inner changes, then leading to external changes promoted by the new understandings and personal transformation. Each one should be responsible for the circumstances each one would create through progressively implementing these changes. That would be the natural way this should occur. On the other hand, a great number of people not willing to accept responsibility for their own actions would want to rely on an external savior to promote these changes. Thus, they were not willing to consistently support a process of social change. Many people were simultaneously or cyclically attracted and repelled to this Soul and what they perceived implied in his teachings. Hence, some of the same people following his teachings, would later become his persecutors. The social phenomenon created because of the spiritual leadership of this Soul, and its impact at social level, would, at the same time, create insecurity to the existing powers in this society, this serving to further induce the persecution.

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[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo,

Thank you so much for posting the chart of Jesus, and for all of your thoughts concerning his life with all the EA symbols involved that you have used. It was truly wonderful for me to read though it. However, below are some thoughts in relation to the ending part of what you wrote.

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I also recall JWG says somewhere (I couldn't find this reference now) something like Jesus was a masochist because he did not feel prepared to face the destiny God intended for him, as reflected in some of his final words before dying: "Father, if possible take this cup away from me" and "Father, why have you abandoned me?"

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JWG said that Jesus made the inner decision to cooperate with the mission that he was given by God, and the destiny of that mission. His own relative imperfection was reflected as he was dying on the Cross as reflected in those words: "Father, take this cup from me". And the ongoing influence of Evil, that dogged Jesus his whole life, which is why he said so many times "Satan, get behind me", was that which caused his to say the words "Father, why have you abandoned me", when in fact there was no such abandonment.

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From the above it seems clear that Jesus was spiritually masochist.

So, the question would be: was Jesus death in the way it occurred necessary from God's point of view? Or was it also a consequence of spiritual masochism? Or, in other words, was it necessary because of the way effects unleashed, but not because it were a fundamental piece of the plan of God? While at the same time, given conditioning belief systems and/or spiritual masochism, it was interpreted by Jesus as necessary from God's point of view?

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It was necessary from God's point of view because humanity in general, via the Natural Law of free choice, had gotten so far away from Natural Law. Thus, it was this fact that created the necessity for Jesus to manifest as a spiritual masochist so as to demonstrate that fact to humanity: realized after the fact because of him playing out the role of the martyr.

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My tentative answer is this: Jesus was not crucified by God. He was crucified by some people living at that time, because of their own decisions, based on their projections and distortions. Jesus was consistent with his mission and his teachings and in the end decided not to run away from his persecutors. Other times before in his lifetime he had indeed run away or evaded his persecutors because "his time had not come". It is possible, because of spiritual masochism, and of the existing prophecies at that time, that Jesus himself could believe that God's plan was to have him killed this way; though, this was not necessary and was just a consequence of the above. My personal feeling is that, if it had been God's plan to have Jesus crucified, ie. as something necessary for spiritual salvation or advancement of humanity, this plan would have been designed against natural law. The same may apply to some of Jesus disciples who suffered similar deaths as martyrs.

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It not as if God somehow desired for Jesus to be Crucified. It's simply because God knew that would occur as a consequence to the nature of those times. And it was this that Jesus himself inwardly knew, and that which he consciously made a decision to do anyway: spiritual masochism.

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Doesn't the idea of a martyr serving to expand the consciousness of people martyring the martyr seem unnatural? The effect of an expanded consciousness of those martyring the martyr after can occur, ie. "it seems he really was the Son of God", though, that doesn't mean that martyring the martyr was necessary for such realizations to occur. It doesn´t mean either that that type of realizations will occur necessarily. For Nero the emperor and others it was an amusement.

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It is indeed unnatural. But those times, as these times are, are the essence of what is unnatural. And because of this unnaturalness the role of the spiritual martyr became necessary. And, thus, the realizations of those that came after the Crucifixion.

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If God's plan required a martyr like Jesus, it would have also required the whole group of people taking that decision to martyrize. Those individual choices were "free" choices, predictable as they may have been though free in the end. The same can be said of Judas betrayal: if his choice was fated, then it was not free. If it was not free, then why should he create any karma for that choice (JWG has referred to the karmic consequences of Judas betrayal)?

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Those choices were indeed predictable due to the nature of the humans in that time and place including the nature of Judas himself. And even though, in potential, the humans of that time and place, including Judas, could have made totally different choices the existing nature of their natures was that which made their choices predictable. And it is because of this, that God knew, that they required that Jesus serve in the role that he did, and in the way that he did it. And, because of this, the choices that those humans made then, including the choices of Judas, did indeed create the karma of those choices.

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"The origin of this (religious masochism of Christianity) is Jesus himself ... 'father forgive them for they know not what they do". If they had not known what they did, as Jesus thought then, they would have not been free to do it. In that case, what happened would have been caused by other will, ie. the will of God. On the contrary, if they knew what they were doing, ie. that they were killing an innocent man, then the martyr situation was not wanted by God, but was a consequence of free human decisions which could have been different.

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When Jesus said those words he was referring to the IGNORANCE of those people relative to the reasons why they made those decisions. And, thus, asking God to forgive them because of that ignorance. And it is that ignorance that lead to his Crucification. He was simply judged by most in that time as but yet another 'false prophet'. We must remember in that time there were many, many others claiming to be the messiah. Many others that had 'followings' of other people. Even when people were given the choice to save his life versus Barabas the people chose Barabas. Only but a tiny few actually knew the true nature of Jesus in the time of Jesus. A tiny few.

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In any case, "knowing what they were doing" would have been relative to their own type of understanding, mental constructions, believe systems. Perhaps they did not know they were killing an individual that was fully enlightened and God realized. I guess they could know, however, that they were killing an innocent man.

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They did not know that at all. For the vast majority he was nothing more than another false prophet.

God Bless, Rad

[adina]

Hi Rad,

Thanks so very much for clarifying and expanding on what JWG taught about Jesus - his nature, his mission, etc. I found this very helpful, and I've posted a few questions below:

I also recall JWG says somewhere (I couldn't find this reference now) something like Jesus was a masochist because he did not feel prepared to face the destiny God intended for him, as reflected in some of his final words before dying: "Father, if possible take this cup away from me" and "Father, why have you abandoned me?"

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JWG said that Jesus made the inner decision to cooperate with the mission that he was given by God, and the destiny of that mission. His own relative imperfection was reflected as he was dying on the Cross as reflected in those words: "Father, take this cup from me". And the ongoing influence of Evil, that dogged Jesus his whole life, which is why he said so many times "Satan, get behind me", was that which caused his to say the words "Father, why have you abandoned me", when in fact there was no such abandonment.

Wolf often mentioned how Jesus was "dogged" by Evil, and I know that the closer one gets to God'dess, the more pronounced and persistent that influence becomes, but it also seems that Jesus had to deal with this influence more than others in this position, at least from the ones I've read about or heard about. For example, Yogananda, too, had this experience with evil, but not to the same extent. So, my guess is that there is a reason Jesus had to go thru this extreme testing, but could you enlighten us as to what that was? And was at least PART of it to demonstrate to others HOW to resist evil?

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It is indeed unnatural. But those times, as these times are, are the essence of what is unnatural. And because of this unnaturalness the role of the spiritual martyr became necessary. And, thus, the realizations of those that came after the Crucifixion.

This, to me, is an especially 'tough' one; i.e., in relation to the "realizations of those that came after the Crucifixion," we sure don't seem to have come very far in the last 2000 years (revealing just HOW slow evolution actually IS), considering the fact that, as you mentioned above, the times we are living in now are also "the essence of what is unnatural." Makes me shudder to think of how this will play out to bring about the necessary 'correction.' Will we need yet another martyr like Jesus as we move to the Aquarian Age, or will there be a "collective martyrdom" - possibly reflected in the US chart's Aquarian Moon in the 10th inconjunct Neptune in Virgo in the 5th, which squares Mars in Gem in the first and Venus in Cancer in the 2nd, and the Mars trines that moon, and The venus sesquiquadrates the moon? And we cann add the Chiron in Aries in the 11th, which, thru it's sextile to the moon and inconjunction to the neptune, form a Yod, and it also opposes Saturn in libra in the 5th, adding to the "pressure" to bring this dynamic to a head. Your thoughts?


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If God's plan required a martyr like Jesus, it would have also required the whole group of people taking that decision to martyrize. Those individual choices were "free" choices, predictable as they may have been though free in the end. The same can be said of Judas betrayal: if his choice was fated, then it was not free. If it was not free, then why should he create any karma for that choice (JWG has referred to the karmic consequences of Judas betrayal)?

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Those choices were indeed predictable due to the nature of the humans in that time and place including the nature of Judas himself. And even though, in potential, the humans of that time and place, including Judas, could have made totally different choices the existing nature of their natures was that which made their choices predictable. And it is because of this, that God knew, that they required that Jesus serve in the role that he did, and in the way that he did it. And, because of this, the choices that those humans made then, including the choices of Judas, did indeed create the karma of those choices.

I found this explanation actually very helpful and 'hopeful,' i.e., "due to the nature of the humans in that time and place" and their underlying "potential," as it points to the fact that we all have the underlying spirit and potential to do what is "right," what is "best," etc., and yet it also depends on our individual and collective evolutionary stage as to how that plays out. Your explanation (to me) helps clarify the "why" behind what happened.

I guess that's all the questions/comments I have at the moment. Thanks again for illuminating these dynamics further, Rad!

God bless, Adina

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Adina,

"Wolf often mentioned how Jesus was "dogged" by Evil, and I know that the closer one gets to God'dess, the more pronounced and persistent that influence becomes, but it also seems that Jesus had to deal with this influence more than others in this position, at least from the ones I've read about or heard about. For example, Yogananda, too, had this experience with evil, but not to the same extent. So, my guess is that there is a reason Jesus had to go thru this extreme testing, but could you enlighten us as to what that was? And was at least PART of it to demonstrate to others HOW to resist evil?"

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The core reason was in direct relation to the magnitude of his mission, the very purpose of his life. The primary way that Lucifer attempted to affect Jesus was through the vehicle of doubt. And, yes, part of was to demonstrate to others how to resist evil.

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This, to me, is an especially 'tough' one; i.e., in relation to the "realizations of those that came after the Crucifixion," we sure don't seem to have come very far in the last 2000 years (revealing just HOW slow evolution actually IS), considering the fact that, as you mentioned above, the times we are living in now are also "the essence of what is unnatural." Makes me shudder to think of how this will play out to bring about the necessary 'correction.' Will we need yet another martyr like Jesus as we move to the Aquarian Age, or will there be a "collective martyrdom" - possibly reflected in the US chart's Aquarian Moon in the 10th inconjunct Neptune in Virgo in the 5th, which squares Mars in Gem in the first and Venus in Cancer in the 2nd, and the Mars trines that moon, and The venus sesquiquadrates the moon? And we cann add the Chiron in Aries in the 11th, which, thru it's sextile to the moon and inconjunction to the neptune, form a Yod, and it also opposes Saturn in libra in the 5th, adding to the "pressure" to bring this dynamic to a head. Your thoughts?

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There will be no more Jesus's on this Earth in the future. No more Buddha's, no more Mohammed's, etc. And there will be no 'collective martyrdom' in the sense of whole groups of people consciously sacrificing themselves in order for necessary realizations to occur to the collective so that change that reflects Natural Laws can occur. There will be the sacrificing of increasing amounts of people at the hands of those that are in power in order to sustain that power, and the greed that motivates that need for that kind of power. Any changes to this will occur through circumstantial necessity, not collective enlightenment.

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God Bless, Rad 

[Elen]

There will be no more Jesus's on this Earth in the future. No more Buddha's, no more Mohammed's, etc.

>Hi Rad,

This statement to me is quite unsettling. Can you explain why this is?  Have we been abandoned by the enlightened masters?

Peace,
Ellen
And there will be no 'collective martyrdom' in the sense of whole groups of people consciously sacrificing themselves in order for necessary realizations to occur to the collective so that change that reflects Natural Laws can occur. There will be the sacrificing of increasing amounts of people at the hands of those that are in power in order to sustain that power, and the greed that motivates that need for that kind of power. Any changes to this will occur through circumstantial necessity, not collective enlightenment.

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God Bless, Rad  

[Gonzalo]

Dear Rad,

What you posted about the chart of Jesus makes is very clarifying to me. I am sorry I took so long to understand what you wrote, being so simple in reality.

I am so happy that you are here so you can answer this type of questions.

God Bless,

Gonzalo

[Elen]

Just reposting this with my question in blue highlight so that it can be seen.

There will be no more Jesus's on this Earth in the future. No more Buddha's, no more Mohammed's, etc.

>Hi Rad,

This statement to me is quite unsettling. Can you explain why this is?  Have we been abandoned by the enlightened masters?

Peace,
Ellen
And there will be no 'collective martyrdom' in the sense of whole groups of people consciously sacrificing themselves in order for necessary realizations to occur to the collective so that change that reflects Natural Laws can occur. There will be the sacrificing of increasing amounts of people at the hands of those that are in power in order to sustain that power, and the greed that motivates that need for that kind of power. Any changes to this will occur through circumstantial necessity, not collective enlightenment.

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God Bless, Rad  

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

Because there is no more need for such things. There is nothing more to teach, or to know. All the teachings have been given. The issue becomes application: humans making the effort to apply. Many of the great Souls are available now within versus without. As Yogananda said about Jesus there will be no more 'second coming' other than he and others being available within. The great one's never abandon, humans abandon them.


God Bless, Rad

[Elen]

Hi Ellen,

Because there is no more need for such things. There is nothing more to teach, or to know. All the teachings have been given. The issue becomes application: humans making the effort to apply. Many of the great Souls are available now within versus without. As Yogananda said about Jesus there will be no more 'second coming' other than he and others being available within. The great one's never abandon, humans abandon them.


God Bless, Rad

Thank you so much Rad.  I think this makes sense to me.  When you say many of the great Souls are available within, do you mean that, if you pay attention and allow it, they are with you now, you can hear them and receive teaching from them, ie, that they do not need to manifest as they have in the past because they are now always available to those who desire and listen...  Is this right?  (I ask because I think that, in a very small/limited way, I experience this.)

Peace,
Ellen

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

YES ........

God Bless, Rad

[Elen]

Thank you again Rad.

Peace,
Ellen