Planetary Nodes

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

The DVD with the planetary nodes lecture was made while JWG was lecturing in Holland. I was there so remember what he said, which is also on the DVD obviously. What he said when asked was that the correlation to those Nodes and the transition to the patriarchy, from the matriarchy, was based on the astrological ages, and their sub ages. Thus, what we have also talked about here on this message board many times, the transition beginning at the very end of the Capricorn sub-age of the Cancer age. Thus the S.Nodes of Pluto, Saturn, and Jupiter in the sign Capricorn.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Just like the Moon's Nodes and the Precession of the Equinoxes, is it correct that the Planetary Nodes, as well, move in a retrograde motion through the chart?  The answer is probably "yes," but just checking.

[Elen]

Hi Ari,

What he said when asked was that the correlation to those Nodes and the transition to the patriarchy, from the matriarchy, was based on the astrological ages, and their sub ages. Thus, what we have also talked about here on this message board many times, the transition beginning at the very end of the Capricorn sub-age of the Cancer age. Thus the S.Nodes of Pluto, Saturn, and Jupiter in the sign Capricorn.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

This is tremendously insightful for me.  Regardles of, for example, the sign that Pluto is in for a generation, ultimately, everyone in that generation is still working out the matriarchy to patriarchy transition and all that that entailed.   So, the women of the Pluto in Cancer generation, if I remember JWG correctly, experienced inwardly rage at the patriarchal roles they were living out.  The Pluto in Leo generation expended their energy breaking free from these roles, working on self-empowerment.  The Pluto Virgo generation has been working through all of the health issues associated with the distoritions and, presumably, attempting to repurifiy.  Pluto Libra, rebalancing relationships...etc.

Is this correct..or on the right track? And same would also hold for Jupiter and Saturn, yes?

[Rad]

Hi Linda,

There is a natural progressive cycle to the planetary nodes, meaning forwards through the zodiac. Yet they can also go in retrograde motion at different parts of the year, and the overall cycle of each planetary node. But the mean motion in forwards, not retrograde as in the Moon's nodes. You can even have a situation, due to the irregular planetary motion of the planets, where the, for example, the S.Node of Mars can be retro, yet it's N.Node is not. One needs to look into the tables for the planetary nodes in Solar Fire, for example, to see all this.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

You are generally right, yet we must also remember the four natural evolutionary conditions for the Soul. So in what you presented that would be generally true in those generations for the Soul's that were in the first individuated state and beyond.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo,

Hi Rad,

According to Solar Fire the South Node of Jupiter is now at 29°44'Sagittarius. It entered Sagittarius on 3 September 2010, and will go back into Capricorn on 10 October. It does so yearly since long ago, though the time it spends in Capricorn has been augmenting progressively while the time it spends in Sagittarius has been decreasing: when the South Node of Jupiter entered Capricorn for first time in this cycle on 23 March 142 BC, it stayed in Capricorn only for three days. At the current time it is spending less than forty days only in Sagittarius, and the rest of the year in Capricorn. North Node of Jupiter first entered Cancer on 23 September 119 BC, for four days, and currently the North Node if Jupiter still stays in Gemini for less than forty days.  I have seen some charts with these symbols.

Do you consider these calculations/ephemeris correct?

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Yes. There is a progressive movement of the planetary nodes  through the zodiac at their mean motions. Of course they can go retrograde at times, yet the mean motion is progressive or forwards.

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Are there any observed correlations with this movement of the Nodes of Jupiter, between Capricorn and Sagittarius?

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One would have to observe this, and correlate it, to one's own work with clients. Beyond that, study those points in history itself to make such correlations via the observation of what was actually happening on the planet during those times.

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Would the charts for the moment of the first entrance of these Nodes in Capricorn and Cancer serve to understand their archetypal intent?

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Yes.

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God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

Hi Ari,

What he said when asked was that the correlation to those Nodes and the transition to the patriarchy, from the matriarchy, was based on the astrological ages, and their sub ages. Thus, what we have also talked about here on this message board many times, the transition beginning at the very end of the Capricorn sub-age of the Cancer age. Thus the S.Nodes of Pluto, Saturn, and Jupiter in the sign Capricorn.

God Bless, Rad

Yes, that I do understand. I'll rephrase my question:
My question is why do we make that correlation? Why are planetary nodes correlated to the astrological ages and their sub ages? In other words what is the intuitive logic that connects these two astronomical phenomona to one another? And furthermore, why do these sn's in Capricorn correlate to the transition to patriarchy that occured at the end of the Capricorn sub age of the Cancer age?
Thank you Rad, I hope that makes sense. Bless,
Ari Moshe

[Rad]

All,

Here is something about the planetary nodes that we can all consider. Most of you will remember, when we talked about the structure of the Soul many months ago now, that I pointed out that it takes 24,000 years for the Nodes of Pluto to go through the entire zodiac: one astrological age. What is really incredible when you start to think about it is that the Nodes of Mars also takes 24,000 year for them to move through all the signs in the zodiac. They spend about 4,000 years in three signs, then another 3 signs for another 4,000 years, etc. For example, the S.Nodes of Mars since 500 A.D. have been in Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius depending on the time of year, in any given year. And, the N.Nodes are Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. This will remain in those signs until 4,300 A.D. So there are two things to ponder in this. One is the fact that, as we know, the lower octave of Pluto is Mars of course. Pluto is the underlying natural law of evolution for all things, including humans. And Mars instinctually  acts out those evolutionary imperatives through the various forms of life, including human.

So the questions become why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in any given year, for over 4,000 years ? What is the symbolism for collective and individual evolution here ? The meaning of it ? And of course the phenomena of the 24,000 year cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the zodiac ?

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

Because of the natural progression of the astrological ages through time. Thus, the alignment of the Capricorn sub-age within the age of Cancer. That time frame, the actual his/herstory of the planet correlates to that transition time between the matriarchy to the patriarchy. Cancer and Capricorn of course correlate to the male and female gender, and gender assignment issues within that. This is no different than, for example, Jesus who had Pluto in Virgo with his polarity point being Pisces. And he of couse said he was here to usher in a New Age, the Pisces Age.

God Bless, Rad

[Elen]

Hi Ellen,

You are generally right, yet we must also remember the four natural evolutionary conditions for the Soul. So in what you presented that would be generally true in those generations for the Soul's that were in the first individuated state and beyond.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Thanks.  When I first read this reply it made perfect sense.  But as I have been thinking about it, I am wondering what that means about people in the evolutionary states - how is the matriarchy to patriarchy shift playing out for them... or is it at all?... Does this question make sense?

Peace,

Ellen

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

All,

Here is something about the planetary nodes that we can all consider. Most of you will remember, when we talked about the structure of the Soul many months ago now, that I pointed out that it takes 24,000 years for the Nodes of Pluto to go through the entire zodiac: one astrological age. What is really incredible when you start to think about it is that the Nodes of Mars also takes 24,000 year for them to move through all the signs in the zodiac. They spend about 4,000 years in three signs, then another 3 signs for another 4,000 years, etc. For example, the S.Nodes of Mars since 500 A.D. have been in Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius depending on the time of year, in any given year. And, the N.Nodes are Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. This will remain in those signs until 4,300 A.D. So there are two things to ponder in this. One is the fact that, as we know, the lower octave of Pluto is Mars of course. Pluto is the underlying natural law of evolution for all things, including humans. And Mars instinctually  acts out those evolutionary imperatives through the various forms of life, including human.

So the questions become why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in any given year, for over 4,000 years ? What is the symbolism for collective and individual evolution here ? The meaning of it ? And of course the phenomena of the 24,000 year cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the zodiac ?

Do you know of any sites that provide accurate astronomical data as it pertains to the phenomena you have described (ie the number of years it takes for a complete orbit for the nodes of any planet)? I haven't found anything that talks about the astronomy you brought up, and I feel it would be helpful for me to learn more about that to assist this contemplation.
Thanks
Ari Moshe

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

"But as I have been thinking about it, I am wondering what that means about people in the evolutionary states - how is the matriarchy to patriarchy shift playing out for them... or is it at all?... Does this question make sense?"

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It plays out for all Souls, in all evolutionary states, in the form of the incredible imbalance of the human life form on our planet relative to all other life forms: the totality of Nature. As the patriarchy began, and has increased, there has been a progressive violation of all Natural Laws. The consequences of which all humans are being subjected too. As Wolf taught for so long he said often that the term 'matriarchy' really a word that symbolizes the vast majority of human her/history in which the human life form was living in accordance with all Natural Laws, and every other life form was. Thus, a state of balance on this Earth. And that, included, of course the Natural Laws of the masculine and feminine principles, laws, created by the Creator. The patriarchy is a word that thus symbolizes a progressive violation of these Natural Laws, and the consequences to that fact. The core Natural Law that has been violated in the Natural Law of 'giving, sharing, and inclusion' to 'self interest' and 'exclusion'. That core violation has lead to the totality of what we all our experiencing now.

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God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

You can start very simply by looking at this through the Solar Fire program, and the planetary nodes calculations therein going forwards and backwards in time.

God Bless, Rad

[Wendy]

Hi Rad and all,

So the questions become why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in any given year, for over 4,000 years ?  

What is the symbolism for collective and individual evolution here ? The meaning of it ?

And of course the phenomena of the 24,000 year cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the zodiac ?

There must be a certain evolutionary action the collective is supposed to take during these long phases of time.  If there are 24,000 year cycles, and Mars stays in 3 signs for 4,000 years, that means it completes the entire zodiac in 16,000 and begins to go around again for another 6 to complete the 24,000 year cycle. So the collective cycles through the nodes of Mars (and Pluto) once and then has another opportunity to experience the previous nodal cycle, for this instance NN Aries, Taurus, Gemini, before the 24,000 year cycle is completed.  

(Do we have a chart to work with for these examples?)

So we are working with the 1st quarter and 3rd quarter of the astro wheel collectively--beginnings, the self, the mind, logic, thoughts and integrating others, deep interdependent relationships, and knowledge, beliefs (NN Aries, Taurus, Gemini--SN Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius SN)

We are exploring and learning about our actions, learning about the Earth, nourishment, caring for our bodies, and sustaining life on earth, and we are learning about the mind, logic and ultimately our thoughts.  We have experienced and known deep intimate balanced relationships and have lived with natural law, or we failed in the past and are seeking this time around to achieve the aforementioned.

How is that for a beginning Rad?  

[Wendy]

and deep connection to the power of the soul, sex, magic, healing, the feminine, balanced among masculine and feminine and our beliefs were aligned with those attributes the first time Mars moved through the nodal points of Aries, Taurus, Gemini, so our actions, our ability to sustain ourselves and our logic was applied in accordance with those attributes.

Then possibility the second time around, after the patriarchy had taken over, those attributes became marred and expressed quite differently.  Are we there now?  If so natural square to Pluto's nodes from Mars nodes happening now and over the next 4,000 years.

Is the great turning of now correlated to the 24,000 year nodal cycle of Mars and Pluto or are they different timings?