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Thank you Rad, this is so clear!

Quote from: Rad on May 23, 2014, 09:00 AM
Hi Sunyata,

Quote from: Sunyata on May 22, 2014, 02:37 PM
Hi Rad,

Thank you for beginning this discussion on Saturn.

I have a question about the 'structural nature of consciousness that the Soul determines from life to life'. There are plants on Earth that are able to alter our consciousness, plants like Peyote, Ayahuasca, Marijuana, Mushrooms and others. Some are used recreationally and some ceremonially by shamans and others.

I guess my question is what are the effects of using these in terms of how they affect the structure of consciousness from life to life.... do they act as a dissolving agent to the structure of consciousness?

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It depends on the type of plants, and it's not a matter of dissolving the structure of consciousness but expanding it. Of the plants you named all do this except marijuana.

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God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad.

I meant to follow up this question about this with regards to marijuana. In my experience, marijuana seems to act like a magnifier of whatever the individual is focusing on within its conscious awareness. If there are negative thoughts, or I am around negative people,  marijuana magnifies those thoughts and experiences and the experience becomes negative.  If I am under the influence of marijuana within the context of the forest or within nature and my thoughts are clear, I am able to perceive nature in a more profound way that I wouldn't have perceived it otherwise. The sounds of birds are more magnified, the river, the wind, every element....through that magnification and coming from a clear space new perceptions are achieved and brought forth. Sometimes I have deep clarity of concepts within EA that I don't think I would have seen otherwise. I also find it to be a 'creative assistant' when I am working on artwork. In my experiences I have found it to have a great 'potential' to assist with understanding.

I have read in books, for instance one called 'Plants of the Gods', that shamans in China used to use marijuana in combination with ginger to 'see into the future.' And there are other examples in there of other shamanistic uses. One of my questions is, if you are able to, can you expand on the difference between what marijuana does to the structure of consciousness compared to the others (peyote, ayahuasca, mushrooms) as far as if it does not expand consciousness, what does it do to consciousness?

Thank you and God Bless.
Sunyata

Hi Sunyatta,

Marijuana can do exactly as you described. The core and critical difference is that the use of all the other plants that you were on your list is that that expand the consciousness wherein the perception of the totality of Nature is realized. This includes what is unseens or invisible to most as in all the various forms of astral agents, and the knowledge of all the natural laws therein. Within this the capacity to 'see' the very nature and structure of the Manifest Creation. All of these plant agents have a resident 'spirit' within them that the Soul must first form a relationship to, which when achieved, then serves a a kinda 'door' through which all is then realized.

God Bless, Rad

Thank you Rad for explaining so clearly.

Sunyata

Hi Sunyatta,

I found this article today that may interest you.

God Bless, Rad

Scientists use brain scans to find how magic mushrooms alter the mind

By Reuters
Thursday, July 3, 2014 8:00 EDT

LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists studying the effects of the psychedelic chemical in magic mushrooms have found the human brain displays a similar pattern of activity during dreams as it does during a mind-expanding drug trip.

Psychedelic drugs such as LSD and magic mushrooms can profoundly alter the way we experience the world, but little is known about what physically happens in the brain.

In a study published in the journal Human Brain Mapping, researchers examined the brain effects of psilocybin, the psychedelic ingredient in magic mushrooms, using data from brain scans of volunteers who had been injected with the drug.

"A good way to understand how the brain works is to perturb the system in a marked and novel way. Psychedelic drugs do precisely this and so are powerful tools for exploring what happens in the brain when consciousness is profoundly altered," said Dr Enzo Tagliazucchi, who led the study at Germany's Goethe University.

Magic mushrooms grow naturally around the world and have been widely used since ancient times for religious rites and also for recreation.

British researchers have been exploring the potential of psilocybin to alleviate severe forms of depression in people who don't respond to other treatments, and obtained some positive results from early-stage experiments.

In the United States, scientists have seen positive results in trials using MDMA, a pure form of the party drug ecstasy, in treating post-traumatic stress disorder.

DREAM-LIKE STATE

People who use psychedelic drugs often describe "expanded consciousness", including vivid imagination and dream-like states.

To explore the biological basis of these experiences, Tagliazucchi's team analyzed brain imaging data from 15 volunteers who were given psilocybin intravenously while they lay in a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scanner.

The volunteers were scanned under the influence of psilocybin and when they had been injected with a placebo, or dummy drug. The researchers looked at fluctuations in what is called the blood-oxygen level dependent (BOLD) signal, which tracks activity levels in the brain.

They found that with psilocybin, activity in the more primitive brain network linked to emotional thinking became more pronounced, with several parts of the network - such as the hippocampus and anterior cingulate cortex - active at the same time. This pattern is similar to when people are dreaming.

They also found that volunteers on psilocybin had more disjointed and uncoordinated activity in the brain network that is linked to high-level thinking, including self-consciousness.

"People often describe taking psilocybin as producing a dreamlike state and our findings have, for the first time, provided a physical representation for the experience in the brain," said Robin Carhart-Harris of Imperial College London's department of medicine, who also worked on the study.

"I was fascinated to see similarities between the pattern of brain activity in a psychedelic state and the pattern of brain activity during dream sleep, especially as both involve the primitive areas of the brain linked to emotions and memory."

Thank you for sharing that, Rad.  What does one do when the structure of their understanding changes in such a way that they now see clearly that many so called truths are actually lies? Is there an evolutionary state in which this occurs or is this a phenomenon that can happen in any evolutionary state?

God Bless,
Sunyata

Quote from: Sunyata on Jul 05, 2014, 05:01 AM
Thank you for sharing that, Rad.  What does one do when the structure of their understanding changes in such a way that they now see clearly that many so called truths are actually lies? Is there an evolutionary state in which this occurs or is this a phenomenon that can happen in any evolutionary state?

God Bless,
Sunyata

Hi Sunyata,

First, for that to happen the Soul would, within itself, desire for that realization to occur. Nonetheless, when such a thing is realized it still can be quite shocking to the Soul and, for some, cause a complete alienation/ disorientation to 'reality': the reality defined by the consensus, and the reality that has been created by the Soul's own 'beliefs'. When something is taken away from a Soul, whatever it is, it does need to be replaced with something so that the Soul can then have a new anchor for itself that allows it to stabilize and feel relatively secure.

The breaking free from consensus beliefs that are not rooted in actual truth as defined by natural laws can begin as early as the 1st stage individuated. Typically though this is just the beginning of the 'chipping away' process versus a wholesale collapse of all the lies that are considered to be true by the consensus of any society.

Relative to personal beliefs about oneself, that are also lies, beliefs projected onto others that are also lies, can occur from the consensus state forwards.

God Bless, Rad

The breaking free from consensus beliefs that are not rooted in actual truth as defined by natural laws can begin as early as the 1st stage individuated. Typically though this is just the beginning of the 'chipping away' process versus a wholesale collapse of all the lies that are considered to be true by the consensus of any society.

Hi Rad,

What stage does the wholesale collapse happen?

Thanks,
Sunyata

Hi Sunyata,

It can begin in the 2nd stage Individuated.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Cat, Linda, Kristin, Skywalker, Robin, and Katherine and anyone else who wishes to participate in this new thread on Saturn

The decision has been taken to not focus on writing the book on geodetics, the Soul's Journey Through Time, at this time. So I am thinking of restarting the Saturn thread. Please let me know if you are still interested in working on this Saturn thread.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Yes, I would definitely be interested in resuming the Saturn thread.
Count me in.

And thank you once again for your dedication and time to help us deepen our understanding of the teachings..

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad and group,

Count me in and thank you!

All the best

Hi Rad,

I'll try and give this a go.

What's happened to everyone else who said they would participate in this thread?

Love,

Linda

Hi Rad,

Sorry for the delay.  I'm still interested and ready to go.

cat

Hi Cat, Linda, Skywalker, and Kristin

Ok, let's go ahead and give it a go then. We will start up again sometime next week, and I would like to review the first segment that was done how Saturn correlates to the structural conditioning of the consciousness of the Soul. This would then involve creating more examples of how this works. For example, Saturn in Leo squaring Venus in Scorpio, and so on.

After that I would like to focus on how Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House correlate to the work function within any society, country, tribe that is necessary for the entire group to be sustained because of the work necessary to do so. This will also involve the natural trinity to Virgo, Mercury, and the 6th House, Taurus, Venus, and the 2nd House. Within this we can examine how the 12th House, Pisces, and Neptune, given it's natural polarity to the 6th, Virgo, and Mercury, and the higher octave ruler of Venus, the natural ruler of the 2nd and Taurus, Neptune correlates to a higher work purpose that can be called Karma Yoga: doing the work of the Source in the context or agency of the work itself.

From there we will explore through examples all the other archetypes that correlate with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House.

Please let me know if you are all agreeable to this approach.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and group,

This all sounds great to me, especially very inspired to work on this correlation to Karma Yoga as I have not integrated this understanding into the chart before -another example of how EA deepens an archetype, so cool and SO meaningful.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi,

This sounds very interesting, especially the Karma Yoga part which adds a new layer of understanding for many of us.

cat

Hi Rad and group,

Sounds good to me, I think that in the case of working on a specific house and sign placement of Saturn or a specific aspect, that it might be better to give different assignments to each one of us, in order to make it more interesting/complete for us to work on and for others that may be learning. For example if working with Aspects, each one of us can do an assignment with Saturn aspecting a different planet

All the best

Hi Rad and everyone,

I am not sure how many practice charts I can commit myself to.
I feel I would like to do only what I can manage to do along the way.
Is this okay with you?  Like others, I am not that well, and need to
watch my energy levels.....

I am interested in the natural Earth trinity, and in learning more from you.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Kristin, and Cat

Linda: that will be fine of course. We will begin work tomorrow: Thursday.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Kristin, and Cat....

Ok, so let's begin again. Before we focus on the career/ work correlations of Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House let's continue on for a bit on the correlation of how these archetypes condition all the other archetypes within a birth chart. The examples that you have given with Saturn in Leo and now that would condition the nature of the Soul's consciousness were really excellent.

So now let's take this a step further. Let's put Saturn in a sign and aspect to another planet in order to demonstrate how that Saturn by sign would condition that other planet within it's own sign.

As per Skywalker's suggestion feel free to choose any sign for Saturn and the planet that it is aspecting. Please feel free to choose any aspect for your illustration that you wish.

Let's make our due date for this next Thursday: September 4th.

If you have any questions please ask them now.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I've checked with Cat and Skywalker, and the three

of us would appreciate a little more time (a few more

days) to complete this assignment.

Thanks so much.

Linda

Hi Rad and group,

Sorry, like Linda said, I do need a few more days to complete this assignment. I´m aiming for Monday.

Sorry again for the delay.

All the best

Hi Linda, Cat, Skywalker, and Kristin.......

Sure, fine with me. Let's go with Thursday of next week then.

God Bless, Rad

Thanks Rad.  :D

The orbits for Saturn and Uranus are 29.5 years for Saturn and 84 years for Uranus. These two planets meet every 45.3 years at the original conjunction to establish a new social order and structure, Saturn, through the revolutionary impulse of Uranus. Saturn rules Capricorn while both Saturn and Uranus rule Aquarius: Air (ideas) impacting and changing Earth (material reality). As these planets move very slowly, when they form a conjunction or opposition their effect on humanity can be "earth-shattering." Saturn forms a bridge between the material consciousness, physical world or structural reality - the established order, rules, customs, laws, stability, security, systems, organizational processes, authoritative regimes - and the higher consciousness embodied by Uranus - change, new ideas, revolution, liberty, justice, awakening, objectivity, de-conditioning, individuation. These planets have both an individual and collective application.

On an individual level, Saturn correlates with the structural nature of the Soul's consciousness in each life, that which everyone is consciously aware of. There is a natural boundary between what we are conscious of, Saturn, and what we are not conscious of: the individuated unconscious, Uranus, and the collective consciousness/unconsciousness, Neptune. The Soul creates different types of Saturnian "realities" in each of its lives necessary for its evolution. Examples of Saturnian realities that each Soul chooses for each life: ancestry, nationality, political system, economic status, social function, gender, parents, conditioning by family and society.

The totality of all prior lives, the "known" realities that had been created by the Soul, provides the context or reason to break free of the crystallization of those prior lives through the impulse of Uranus - bringing accelerated evolution, radical transformation, sudden change, de-conditioning, shattering, fracturing, trauma - wherever it is found in the chart, in order to re-integrate the wholeness of the Soul. Uranian people desire to join groups of like-minded friends that challenge society's outworn structures by sharing new patterns of thought, ideals and aspirations, and putting them into action. Uranian leaders are either feared as revolutionaries or admired as reformers. According to Rudhyar, under the influence of Uranus, individuals or groups can become focusing agents which constitute the next step for humanity.

Uranus in aspect to Saturn brings novelty, newness and originality to the structures of Saturn, thus radically changing and expanding them. From the point of view of the collective, Saturn is always surrendering to Uranus because of the individuating needs of Uranus. In tense opposition aspects there can be a tug-of-war (or dance) between the consciousness constantly rebelling, and individual expression being stifled. With harmonious aspects such as the trine and sextile, change becomes easier to implement. The individual will evolve more easily because the objectivity gained will naturally harmonize with what Saturn is trying to restructure.

SATURN-URANUS CYCLE - Conjunction 1942, Opposition 1964, Culmination 1988

The previous Saturn-Uranus conjunction in Taurus (survival) in 1942 prompted WWII, the deadliest conflict in human history, which altered the political alignment and social structure of the world. With the opposition in 1964, Saturn in Pisces opposite Uranus in Virgo (conjunct Pluto), came a radical social revolution in values (Taurus), the Peace Movement, that combined with the powerful force of Pluto to foster international cooperation and the prevention of future conflicts. (In 1966 the world experienced the intensity of the revolutionary Uranus/Pluto conjunction at 16° 20' Virgo with its far-reaching global effects into the present, Uranus/Pluto square 2012-15.)

"The Sixties" describes the counterculture revolution in social norms about clothing, music, drugs, dress, sexuality, racism, sexism, formalities, and schooling. Conservatives denounce the decade as one of irresponsible excess, flamboyance, and decay of social order. The 1960s became synonymous with the new, radical, and subversive events and trends of the period. This was described as an era in the classical Jungian nightmare cycle, where a rigid culture, unable to contain the demands for greater individual freedom, broke free of the social constraints of the previous age through extreme deviation from the norm.^[1]

Saturn-Uranus opposition 1964 - historical events^[2]

"¢   Beatles become popular in US.
"¢   Civil Rights Act passes in US.
"¢   32 African countries gain independence from European colonial rulers.
"¢   Nelson Mandela sentenced to life in prison.
"¢   Los Angeles riots.
"¢   Miniskirt first appears.
"¢   New York City great blackout.
"¢   Rolling Stones' Mega Hit Song, "I Can't Get No Satisfaction." [Satisfaction correlates to Saturn]
"¢   US Sends troops to Vietnam.


SATURN-URANUS CYCLE - Conjunction 1988, Opposition 2008, Culmination 2032

Saturn-Uranus conjunction 1988

The next Saturn-Uranus conjunction took place in 1988 at 29° 55"² Sagittarius conjunct the Galactic Centre. Responses to the evolutionary necessities of the cycle are expressed differently according to the states of evolution:  

(1) Consensus (correlating to Saturn): the distortion of Natural Laws. The individuals within this evolutionary condition will usually continue to interpret life according to crystallized distorted core beliefs, values and moralities that are a mere extension of societal norms. They wish to remain in the security and familiarity of the past, even if those structures have become dysfunctional. They abhor change and seek security and stability. They don't seriously question what they are told to believe. For example, many will still believe that animals are to be exploited and are on a lower evolutionary scale than humans. Due to the atrophied structure of their consciousness, people in this evolutionary condition will resist the evolutionary necessity to change (Uranus) their existing reality (Saturn). This resistance usually leads to cataclysmic events that force change. Distorted beliefs and lies about oneself and others can occur from the consensus state forward.

(2) Individuated (correlating to Uranus): the expansion of awareness. The individuals within this evolutionary condition are characterized by independence in their thinking, beliefs, philosophies, and the ways they understand life. They desire to rebel and liberate from Consensus conditioning. They love change and easily embrace new ideas. Therefore, due to the progressively expanding structure of their consciousness, they will bring about personal and collective evolutionary change through rebellion, revolution, reformation, differentness, inventiveness, and ingenuity. The breaking free from consensus beliefs and lies not rooted in the actual truth of Natural Laws can begin as early as the 1st stage individuated. The wholesale collapse of consensus lies can happen at the 2nd stage individuated.

(3) Spiritual (correlating to Neptune): the expansion of consciousness into the Universal. Individuals within this evolutionary condition are aware of the Natural Laws that correlate to the nature of creation. Their interpretation of life according to natural beliefs and truths will reflect a natural, ethical and compassionate way of life. They will embrace the Natural Law of Diversity and cooperate with change as a path toward final liberation into the Universal.

The Saturn-Uranus cycle that began in 1988 at 29° 55"² Sagittarius conjunct the Galactic Centre conjunct Mars-Moon in Sagittarius. Saturn-Uranus then moved into Capricorn where they created a stellium with transiting Neptune. The Saturn-Uranus conjunction in late Sagittarius activated the Uranian impulse to break free from Saturnian interpretations of life (Sagittarius) that were based on distorted beliefs and lies, in order to reinstate a way of life based on Natural Laws. The original evolutionary intention challenged outworn structures in the areas of multiculturalism, foreign relations, religion, philosophy, politics, law, education, medicine, the economy, human rights, and the environment. Many religious and philosophical views started to undergo transformation. While this period released fanatical attitudes, it also facilitated a new social vision to be presented to the world.

In the 1980s and 1990s, the halls of learning changed to an on-line computer environment when American business magnate, Bill Gates, started the personal computer revolution. In the early years he began as an active software developer, but for most of Microsoft's history his role was primarily a management and executive role. Gates was pronounced number one on the Forbes list of world's richest people from 1995 to 2007, and in 1999 briefly reached "centibillionaire" status. Microsoft launched its first retail version of Microsoft Windows in 1985. In 1986 Microsoft went public, and in 1989 introduced its most successful office product, Microsoft Office.

Major changes in the structure of higher education took place when students suddenly began taking out loans and going into debt just to get a degree. Educators and students learned to utilize the new resources of the on-line learning and social networking environment.

Many radical Saturn-Uranus world events^[3] (1988 original conjunction) would shape an entire 45 year social generation:

Women
"¢   Benazir Bhutto, first Islamic woman prime minister, chosen to lead Pakistan.
"¢   Supreme Court rules Rotary Clubs must admit women.
"¢   Prime Minister Thatcher wins rare third term in Britain.

Politics
"¢   Polish communist government legitimizes the Solidarity trade union movement.
"¢   George Herbert Walker Bush inaugurated as 41st U.S. president.
"¢   Mikhail S. Gorbachev named Soviet president.

Nature
"¢   Severe earthquake strikes Los Angeles, leaving 100 injured and six dead.
"¢   Most severe La Niña weather effect in history.
"¢   Biggest oil spill in history.

Economy
"¢   "Black Monday" stock market crash.
"¢   Economic restructuring in the Soviet Union "Perestroika."

Sport
"¢   World athletics championships (boxing Mike Tyson, tennis Steffi Graf, golf Gary Player,
       basketball Michael Jordan).
"¢   Summer Olympics in Seoul, South-Korea; Ben Johnson caught for steroids after setting
       a World Record in the 100 meter dash.

Trade and International relations
"¢   US and Canada reach free trade agreement.
"¢   US advertising is permitted on Soviet TV.
"¢   World's longest undersea tunnel is completed.
"¢   McDonalds in the USSR.
"¢   After 28 years, Berlin Wall is open to the West.
"¢   Soviets withdraw from Afghanistan.

Sagittarian humour
"¢   Bobby McFerrin tells everyone, "Don't worry, be happy."

Medicine
"¢   Prozac is introduced as an anti-depressant.
"¢   The first plutonium pacemaker is made.

Science
"¢   Human Genome project begins.
"¢   Voyager 2 spacecraft speeds by Neptune after making startling discoveries about the
       planet and its moons.

Protests
"¢   More than one million in Beijing's Tiananmen Square demonstrate for democracy;
       chaos spreads across nation; thousands killed as Chinese leaders take hard line
       toward demonstrators.

Religion/Philosophy
"¢   Jimmy Swaggart admits to being with prostitutes.
"¢   Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini declares author Salman Rushdie's book The Satanic Verses
       offensive and sentences him to death.
"¢   Dalai Lama wins Nobel Peace Prize.

Saturn-Uranus opposition 2008

At the opposition of Saturn and Uranus every 40 years, the old order is challenged to transform its inflexibility and dogma in order to embrace the creative vision of Uranus. In 2008, Saturn in Virgo opposed Uranus in Pisces and together with Pluto's ingress into Capricorn, the world experienced:

- World economic depression
- Breakdown of governments
- Breakdown of world trade
- Corporations relentless pursuit of profits at all costs
- Urgent environmental situations
- Deterioration of cultural, social and political structures
- Secrets of governments
- Unrestrained military power
- Depletion of Earth's resources
- Natural disasters

Under the backdrop of Pluto's ingress into Capricorn, Saturn in Virgo and Uranus in Pisces came into exact opposition on November 4, 2008, Election Day in the US, when the "˜Uranian' Barack Obama beat the "˜Saturnian' campaigns of McCain and Palin. With Saturn and Uranus in a state of maximum tension, the world was challenged to integrate two radically different and opposing energies. From this point on, the world experienced the devastating impact of the world financial crisis, Obamacare, people turning to holistic medicine, and a greater desire for human rights (Occupy movement).

Uranus (the individuated unconscious) transited Pisces (the collective consciousness/unconsciousness), and opposed Saturn (what we are conscious of) in Virgo (the boundary between subjective, self-orientation and objective, social orientation). On a personal level, Saturn in Virgo generated a great deal of guilt around Natural Law (original conjunction in Sagittarius). Virgo purifies and improves, makes us aware of other people and social systems, and how to be of service to the whole, not just to the self. The polarity, Pisces, represents ultimate ideals. Uranus was especially chaotic in Pisces bringing a high tide of breakdowns and breakthroughs. The opposition had the effect of waking people up out of old realities, distorted beliefs, lies, escapism, denial, and into idealism, trust, faith, hope and miracles.

The Pluto/Virgo generation (Saturn-Uranus opposition 1964; Uranus/Pluto conjunction 1966) began to play a pivotal role, rolled up their sleeves, and began the detailed "˜clean up work' in areas such as environmental degradation, climate warming, health, food and water, war issues, overpopulation, genetic engineering, pollution, resource depletion, consumerism, logging, mining, animal exploitation, conservation, endangered species, and the list goes on"¦

The current Saturn-Uranus cycle will complete in 2032 and a new cycle will begin at 28° 01"² Gemini, opposite the Galactic Centre, and full phase inconjunct Jupiter at 29° 47"² Capricorn (conjunct USA's Pluto).

Conclusion

Correlating to the Saturn-Uranus cycle, the acceleration of evolution of human consciousness continues with intensity, uncertainty, but also excitement, as Uranus brings radical and sudden change; stimulates our need to break free from the Saturnian conditioning bonds of the past; inspires new thought, discovery and illumination; and brings the collective into a greater unified awareness.


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[1] www.wikipedia.org
[2] [3] www.infoplease.com




Thanks Rad and group ... a wonderful experience for further EA learning, as usual.

Saturn in Sagittarius Square Pluto in Leo

Individuals with Saturn square Pluto are very intense individuals who have been conditioned to be very responsible and to take their responsibilities very seriously. Many of these individuals have a distorted sense of duty and responsibility that comes from being made to feel responsible for circumstances and events beyond his or her personal control in childhood. As a child, the individual was either consciously or unconsciously conditioned to feel responsible for these circumstances or events. This in turn creates feelings of guilt within the individual as he or she feels responsible for whatever happened.

An individual with Saturn square Pluto tends to be very ambitious and persistent when it comes to pursuing his or her goals. Many of these individuals are workaholics as they put their duties and responsibilities above all else. Others may perceive these individuals as being selfish since they are so focused on their work and responsibilities.

The Saturn square Pluto individual tends to be rather conservative and resists change. He or she may have psychological issues related to power and control and usually has problems with authority figures. These individuals often make good leaders as they are serious and tend to accomplish a great deal.

An individual with Saturn in Sagittarius and Pluto in Leo belongs to a subset of the Pluto in Leo generation who have derived a sense of security in the past through religion or spirituality to some degree. In addition, these individuals have been learning the evolutionary lesson of creative self-actualization and feel as though they have a special destiny to fulfill in this life.

An individual with Saturn in Sagittarius square Pluto in Leo is very conscious of having a special destiny to fulfill and willing to work very hard in order to actualize his or her special destiny. With Saturn in Sagittarius, the individual's special destiny will be focused on, or related to, the arts, religion, philosophy, science or spirituality in some way or form. The individual is very interested in "truth," relative to his or her evolutionary stage, and will seek to discover and promote "truth" and the higher meaning of life through his or her work.

Although the individual with Saturn in Sagittarius is a truth seeker to one degree or another, he or she can become overly rigid and fixed in relation to his or her beliefs.  It is possible that an individual with Saturn in Sagittarius may cease to search for alternative ways of looking at "reality" once he or she discovers a perspective or set of beliefs that resonate with him or her.

Now let's take a look at a real life example.  Bill Maher, an American comedian best known as the host of both "Politically Incorrect" and "Real Time with Bill Maher," has Saturn in Sagittarius square Pluto in Leo. Maher has written several best selling books and produced a documentary in 2008 titled "Religulous." Maher is an Individuated Soul.

Bill Maher is known to be a very serious, hardworking individual who has never married as he is married to his work. According to Joe Hagan of NY Magazine, "In Maher's world, business comes before pleasure, and his business is jokes."

Although Maher promotes himself as a "a belligerent atheist and dope-smoking womanizer," he is actually very conservative.  In NY Magazine, Joe Hagan writes. "For all his rebellion, Bill Maher is an ecumenical late-night host, a devotee of Steve Allen and Johnny Carson, whose shows were creature comforts built on Borscht Belt rhythms dating back to Milton Berle and the dawn of television."

Maher is reported as having been very intense and serious as a child. In an interview with People Magazine he tells us that he never watched cartoons and was always making lists. He started watching "The Tonight Show" (with Johnny Carson) when he was eleven and knew he wanted to be a comedian by the time he was a senior in high school.  This is not surprising as Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter which is associated with humor.

A Saturn Pluto square is said to be especially difficult prior to the first Saturn Return.  It has been reported that Maher was usually depressed during his high school years. He says, "I was kind of a loser, certainly socially.  I've never felt anything as bad as high school. That was crushing,"

Maher's father was a major influence in his life.  According to Joe Hagan in NY Magazine, "Bill Maher Sr., was a news editor at NBC, and his angry tirades against Nixon, fueled by an Irish-Catholic temper, became a blueprint for Maher's own obsession with current affairs." Maher was exposed to current events and the world of television through his father. It is reported that current events were discussed at the dinner table and Maher was allowed to voice his own opinions.  When Maher was in his teens, the family stopped going to church as his father objected to the Church's stance on birth control.

Although we don't know very much about Maher's personal life, we can see that his consciousness was shaped by his Irish Catholic father, the news and current events, and "The Tonight Show" starring Johnny Carson.

It is said that Saturn square Pluto correlates with delays related to one's career. Maher began his career as a standup comedian in 1978 or 1979.  He made limited appearances on tv throughout the 80s and very early 90s.  Finally, after years of hard work and a great deal of persistence, Maher landed the role of host of "Politically Incorrect" in 1993. Maher earned numerous award nominations for  producing, writing and hosting Politically Incorrect. In 2003, Maher became the host, co-producer and co-writer of Real Time with Bill Maher which is now in its 12th season on HBO. With a lot of hard work and focus, Maher actualized his special purpose.

Saturn correlates with boundaries and Sagittarius correlates with morals and principals. In Forbes magazine,  J. Max Robins writes, "Maher has his boundaries. Other superstar stand-ups on the road make millions in merchandising t-shirts, videos and various knickknacks. Not Maher."  Robins goes on to quote Maher as saying, "I'm not going out to Birmingham or Biloxi to make a financial killing. I feel like like if I go crazy with merchandising it would interfere with the bigger picture." Robin goes on to explain "By that Maher means using his wicked humor to expose a world filled with hypocritical tycoons and Neanderthal politicians run wild. Going too commercial, he fears, would make him too much like those he lacerates."

As mentioned earlier, individuals with Saturn in Sagittarius are usually focused on religion or spirituality in some manner or form. Maher is no exception.  Actor Sean Astin recently referred to Maher as a "cripplingly intellectually abusive atheist" with an "excessive need to promote atheism." This sure sounds like what can happen when Saturn in Sagittarius squares Pluto in Leo.

Maher denies that he is an atheist, "I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no."

Tom Kershaw points out that Maher "thinks religion is so ridiculous that it's not even worth thinking or caring about-even though his films, numerous comments and critiques, and his show "Real Time with Bill Maher" would indicate that he does, in fact, care quite a bit. "

In 2008 Maher teamed up with Larry Charles to make the movie Religulous.  According to Variety magazine, Religulous is a documentary "that spoofs religious extremism across the world." Maher is highly critical of all religion and views it  as highly destructive.

Clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5ACyiSPAmE

Full Documentary:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/religulous/

As mentioned earlier, Maher has never married. In the past he has admitted having a fear of commitment as he is afraid that marriage would destroy his work. Maher is known to date strippers and "women who just like to have fun" rather than involve himself in serious relationships. Joe Hagan reports, "Maher doesn't want kids. In his mind, he already has them-every Friday night."

"The audience has always been my kids," Maher says. "That's where my energy went. That's where my caring, as you put it, went. That was the relationship that I've maintained and really worked the hardest on. Harder than real relationships."  (Note: Maher's Saturn in Sagittarius is in the 1st House square Pluto in Leo in the 11th House and Venus in Pisces in the 5th House. It is also opposition his Moon in Taurus in the 7th house).

This short synopsis of Mather's life and career is a good example of how the structure of one's consciousness, as symbolized by Saturn and its aspects, works to shape one's life.

Saturn in Virgo in a last quarter square to Neptune in Sagittarius


Enter reality

Neptune correlates as we know, to ultimate reality, that which simply is or exists beyond personal or collective opinions and beliefs. Neptune is the planet that is easily able to go beyond Saturn´s conditioning. Saturn, Capricorn and the Tenth house all correlate to what we experience as reality on planet Earth. This reality is a result of our past desires (Pluto) and the conditioning that these desires created for evolutionary purposes. Saturn correlates with crystalization, to that which has been defined and thus to form. In this sense Saturn is associated with karma, consequence. Pluto is the karma that our desires create, positive or negative and the karma that our own resistance to the evolutionary pull creates, Pluto is the why. Saturn is the karma created by actions that have been projected into physical form and then crystalized over time. Saturn also correlates with time and thus with aging, therefore that which we do again and again in the same way tends to crystalize in our consciousness and physical reality. That is part of the aging process, to do things in the same way on a psychological level which will then lead that dynamic, whatever it may be, to crystalize in the physical realm and become familiar, reliable, and consensual such as in a personal style social tradition. What happens after is that these forms and structures or ways of being can then become obsolete and oppressive over time, which is where Uranus comes into the picture and does its best to implement new view points in order to break down that which is obsolete and transform the structure in order to allow for further expression of the individualized self and the various groups of people who feel the need for change. Uranus transforms Saturn´s reality through the act of rebellion in varying degrees, depending on the need for change and progress. This rebellion usually comes from people who feel oppressed by the social structure in various ways and which have naturally developed a sense of objectivity, a perspective which is detached and thus able to give insight which can lead to transformation of the social conditioning and thus lead to the desired progress. Neptune can totally alter the structural limitations which are natural to Saturn and expand the boundaries inherent in any individual´s consciousness, serving as a transcending factor which opens the consciousness of the individual to the timeless, the universal and the unknown. Uranus represents the desire to break free from the known and Neptune is the mystery that lies ahead, the unkown.

Neptune is able to wash away limiting factors or  expand boundaries that are apparently real and tangible or to overcome physical limitations thru sheer faith and devotion.

What is actually real?

The interface between Saturn and Neptune is extremely interesting as Saturn is reality but Neptune is beyond reality itself and also represents ultimate reality. What does that mean? It means in any given circumstance there is the unkown, that which is beyond the senses, beyond the rational and beyond what we think we know or even can know in some cases. These two archetypes, the known and the unknown, the reality we know or believe to be real and that which is beyond reality, that which is unreal or might be real, are always interfacing with one another within our own psyches and therefore are also reflected in our reality (Saturn). Reflection itself is Saturn, to reflect upon the life experiences we have, leads to real knowledge as we learn from the past and take responsibility for our actions. The natal placement of Saturn naturally correlates with how our consciousness is structured, along with the Moon, it will correlate with the personal container (Ego) which that consciousness is housed in. Consciousness itself correlates with Neptune. So when we have these two psychological dynamics in aspect to one another, it is the interface between consciousness (Neptune) the quality and type of consciousness, and the physical Earth reality and limitations that the Soul will experience in its incarnation in order for that consciousness to evolve, to experience itself reflected back towards itself.

What will be the ultimate reality for this Soul? How does this Soul experience that which is trancendental, other worldly and beyond what the world in general is able to describe or define? How will these dynamics or experiences be integrated into it´s social reality? Does the national or parental system/structure support what the Soul is attempting to understand via Neptune´s search for ultimate meaning and unity? What will the Ideals of the Soul be like and will they be applicable in a a tangible way into their current Earth experience?

When we look at Saturn in Virgo square Neptune in Sagittarius in the context of reality itself, on the deepest levels, we can ask ourselves what is actually real? The answer cannot be answered without the Pisces polarity and the correct view of reality, ultimately, as an ongoing evolutionary phenomenon involving all of creation, which cannot be totally understood from within the physical limitation of the human form (Saturn). With this combination we learn about personal truth and accept that ultimate reality is made up of the collective conscious/unconscious and beyond, all the way back to the Source of creation itself. With Saturn in Virgo relative to Neptune in Sagittarius, the conditioning of the consciousness is in order to discern thru analysis and discrimination what is truth or ultimate reality, for the Soul. This comes from experiencing as much of the universal as possible and simply defining it as it is, without judgement.

The conditioning of the consciousness of Saturn in Virgo is one of self improvement that leads to humility and to service in varying degees. The theme of self improvement will condition all other planetary functions in the natal chart and with Neptune in Sagittarius, the highest a Soul can accomplish is to have an ongoing sense of joy, adventure and empathic compassion as he or she serves others or nature and thus also improves itself and ultimately contributes to the whole.


The known and the eternal mystery of the unkown

When we have these two planets in aspect we have the interfacing between all things to do with laws and regulations of any given Soul´s circumstancial reality and the desire and need for unity with the divine, the cosmos, or that which is simply beyond the known, the Soul´s natural sense of unity with all of existence, the highest ideals of the Soul, the illusions and escapist tendencies. We have our crystalized beliefs which are from hard won experience (Saturn) interface with unlimited potential. Neptune is the unknown therefore it could be anything and/or nothing at all. Who knows what water is like and is able to describe it until you jump into the water yourself? That is when Saturn has the experience of the unknown, when we jump into the water and know for ourselves what the experience truly was, what it felt like. In this case we define for ourselves what it is like to be wet and in the water but then as we gain experience and define our reality, the Neptune function also keeps on operating in various ways to always remind us there is more, there is infinite potential and yet there are the limitations or boundaries of our current reality. The aspect between Saturn and Neptune will show how we live out these two dynamics of experiencing and defining the unknown within our reality and it´s limitations or boundaries, laws, customs and so on. This will also correlate with our ideals and how we are able to give form to our imagination. The phasal relationship between the two indicates how we structure our personal reality relative to our perception or experience of ultimate truth, that which simply is without any personal judgement which of in turn defines our sense of reality. How we define reality for ourselves along with Mercury and Jupiter, which correlate to the left and right brain, the empirical and the intuitive search for knowledge. But Neptune is beyond knowledge, it simply is. The two correlate to how we can express and integrate the ideal with the real. How to satisfy the idealistic vision in practical terms, how to structure our personal lives according to a higher purpose of some kind. Neptune is the divine and Saturn the reminder that the divine in you is wonderful but that you don´t live off air alone (at least not most people) and you live in a society. In VIrgo, Saturn is doubly focused on the nitty gritty aspects of hard core reality and how it interfaces/limits and therefore gives form to the divine in physical form. Saturn in Virgo is one of the most painstaking placements there is. With this placement ther can be a tendency to separate things to a "T" in order to define them until they are undefinable. With Saturn in Virgo we can truly never feel ready enough or be enough and have all the doubts in the world to perpetuate a nagging sense of inferiority. We can feel oppressed by the world in various ways and develop chronic health issues because of a negative attitude that taxes the nervous system.


First we work then we play

Saturn in square aspect to Neptune in Sagittarius can correlate to a very deep crisis of knowing what on Earth to believe and what not to. Pisces is naturally opposite Virgo so here we have a triple crisis signature relative to the integration of the two planetary functions within ones own psyche. Basically the Soul can be totally confused and lost at times. The natural tendency for Sagittarius is to expand and search for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, with Neptune in Sagittarius, life itself can be the eternal rainbow or some other wonderfully optimistic dream but, when in square to Saturn in Virgo, one can really say that reality bites, especially if there is a lack of natural humility. Neptune in Sagittarius is naturally a very simple consciousness, that is rooted in natural law in a healthy individual and remembering that the South Node of Neptune is in Aquarius for all Souls on the planet, we can expect the consciousness of many of this generation´s Souls to be extremely open minded and naturally in tune with values of equality, sharing and inclusion. We can expect Souls with Neptune in Sagittarius to be attracted to natural, sometimes tribal ways of connecting to the divine and desires to live according to these natural ways of life. When in square to Saturn in Virgo, the need to improve, the self criticism and need to work hard and build something that actually benefits someone else and is of service to the whole, can become depressing to some. Neptune in Sagittarius wants ultimate freedom and Saturn in whatever sign doesn´t give a damn about freedom, not until the work has been done.  

Potential work

Saturn in Virgo can be a very positive influence for healing the self, others and the environment as it becomes increasingly aware of correct methods of dealing with the environmental problems and issues of any society. This can be a potential professional path for the individual. Any path related to service such as being a health care professional of some sort, a counsellor or technician can be a good outlet for Saturn in Virgo to develop its natural need to be of service. With the Square to Neptune in Sagittarius the possibilities are open to those that wish to improve the justice system with their idealistic nature and desire for perfection and social improvement just as they can have a very unique artistic perspective and abilities due to the interaction of Saturn and Neptune, form and formlessness, time and timelessness, inspiration vs depression, finitude and the eternal"¦which can lead to some very unique and out there creations, perspectives or ideals.Travel, research and teaching are also possible avenues of professional expression.



Patriarchal conditioning

In the Patriarchy, which also correlates to Saturn, Capricorn and the Tenth house, we have a distorted crystalized reality here on the planet, as those who call the shots have naturally turned into greedy world dominating tyrants over thousands of years of world domination. Capricorn can be the stepping stone that supports your growth process and it can also be the walls that oppress you and keep you in prison.

We all are the patriarchy, we are the ones who lifetime after lifetime have created this reality on Earth. We are responsible for the state of the world today. With the South Node of Saturn in Capricorn we all have responsibility and have our consciousness conditioned by the distorted realities we created for ourselves by abusing our authority and control and the planet. This also from within our own selves, we are extremely judgemental towards our own selves and are the ones who hurt ourselves with each act of selfishness or over expression of the masculine principles and distorted expression of the female principles as a result. The Saturn function within ourselves is highly emphasized and over active due to the past we are emerging from with the South Nodes of Jupiter Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn. It is also highly distorted because humans have allowed history to be the way it was, which we all know by now that it was not in the best interest of the totality of human, animal and plant life forms on Earth. If you ask most people about the world and how it is they will simply repeat to you "it´s always been that way" when in truth, they don´t know more than what their teachers, parents, religious preachers and media told them about the subject. Unless you have direct memory of something and experience of it then it is most probably some form of indoctrination that might or might not add up. With this heavy emphasis on Capricorn energy due to the South Nodes being placed there we can see the toll Saturn has on the world and on individuals in this day and age. It truly does feel like the middle ages in some regards as the dynamics are pretty much the same, just the scenery and technology changed. Domination, abuse of power left and right and social status and classes meaning more than life itself are all aspects of a distorted Capricorn. A healthy expression of Capricorn is the one who leads by example and integrity. The cream naturally gravitates to the top just as there are natural hierarchies in existence based on those  who can fit the job description best.
These South Nodes correlate with the desire in humans to experience the dark side and be totally cut off from their own true inner needs (Cancer). We live in a world where nature can sustain us fully yet we are prisoners to some greedy old men or those who express these "qualities" who desire nothing more than to feel secure by dominating whatever they can.

The Devil is in the Details

Saturn correlates with the type of social/physical conditions one finds him or herself in. Someone with Saturn in Virgo can have a consciousness that is turned inwards upon itself, remembering the natural Yin qualities of Virgo, this inner focus leads to constant self analysis. The reason for this self analysis is because Virgo is the archetype of self improvement and self analysis is crucial to achieve the desired results. Self analysis and discrimatory powers, the use of the brain to reason and the correct use of intelligence all fall under the archetype of Virgo. The double Yin qualities of Saturn in Virgo can lead to a naturally compressed type of consciousness, an individual who is always attempting to improve himself or something in the external environment in some way. Saturn is the builder or the suppressor so with Saturn in Virgo one may be constantly trying to build something or another or may be attempting to control some aspect of life out of sheer fear. One might be focused on health issues in a very serious way as one might have deep fears of diseases and illnesses. In fact crippling diseases have been a past life reality of the Soul that in this life has the task to improve on its health. With Saturn in Virgo the consciousness can and will be defined by a need to improve and perfect oneself which can lead to a Sado/Masoquist approach to life in general if the Soul has accepted false beliefs about itself, the human race and life in general. The Soul can be over critical of itself and others due to the effects of these false beliefs and thus lead to the desire to punish others and itself for any transgressions or sins as some religions put it. Saturn is the archetype that judges and convicts, when in Virgo there can be a limited focus on a singular aspect of a given dynamic to the exclusion of the whole big picture. Remembering Virgo is naturally opposite Pisces in the Zodiac, it can be natural for the Virgo archetype to get lost in the details.

Crisis in consciousness

The last quarter square aspect between any two planets will create a crisis and dynamic tension between those two psychological dynamics which correlate with the nature of the planets involved. Between the Sun and Mars for a simplified example, can correlate to a Soul that in the current life (Sun) is at a crossroads relative to how it asserts itself in order to actualize it´s creative potential in this lifetime. It can correlate to someone who acts against his or her own purpose. The last quarter square between any planets will correlate to a crisis relative to know what to believe as true since the Soul has already been thru the mills so to speak and is at a point in it´s evolution where he/she needs to understand things in it´s own terms, beyond what any external authority dictates or society.

With these two planets which correlate so strongly to reality in so many ways, we can then understand how people with this square or with other tense aspects between Saturn and Neptune can have a hard time knowing what is true and real or fantasy and imagination. They have the past experience of what has come before, what society teaches and dictates and yet at the same time may have had experiences which defy logic itself. With Saturn square Neptune, the real and tangible can very easily become jello like just when they least expect it. The world of form and formlessness are at odds and the key word is integration. Intregrating one´s own experiences, no matter how wacky and out there they may be, in the real world of judgements and socially constructed personas that are everything but real when put under the microscope. Did we just say microscope? Well Saturn in Virgo can certainly be like a microscope in which Saturn, the need to define, wants to understand the mechanism to the last detail thru analysis.  

Health

Saturn and Neptune in hard aspect can also correlate to health problems and to mental imbalances because Neptune correlates with the mental balance of the individual, personal planets and house positions would be necessary to get an accurate idea of potential medical conditions though. When the consciousness is in a form (body) and environment (society) that is painful, unhealthy, distorted hard to understand, crazy and imbalanced like the world we live in, for so many people who live in un-natural and un-healthy ways, the Soul/Ego will naturally create chemical imbalances in the brain and body. These imbalances are essentially unresolved emotions, attitudes, painful experiences, negative thoughts and their consequences, that have not been understood or integrated in a positive way into the psyche of the individual. When we are children and see things that we naturally know to be wrong, unfair or distorted and there is no logical explanation for these emotions or dynamics, the child can suppress these emotions in order to push them under the conscious threshhold into the unconscious. These suppressed emotions and psychological dynamics will live themselves out just like water will not disappear just because you pretend it´s not there after a flood. It will rot and gain a life of its own which translates into displaced emotions in the growing child/teenager/adult and into fears that can be irrational, as if though they come from nowhere and can turn into paranoia or chronic anxiety, hysterical reactions and panick attacks. The immune system (Neptune) and the central nervous system (VIrgo) can also be weakened due to constant crisis. Hypersensitivity to light is also a possibility because Neptune correlates with the Pineal gland. The teeth and bones may be deformed or underdeveloped also due to improper maintenance or mal nutrition. Traumatic injuries to the feet are possible as Saturn correlates with physical trauma and Neptune with the feet. Problems relative to the skin and it´s pigmentation, to the scalp and to infections of the skin and other dermatologic diseases are all possible. On an energetic level Saturn correlates to the outer layer of the Root chakra and Neptune to the crown chakra. This can indicate an imbalance between excessive material concerns relative to work and status which are fears that block (Saturn) the individual from having a true connection to the divine (Neptune). The individual can already have in his energetic signature past life issues resolving around the loss of status and various types of physical and material hardship. It can also be the opposite and the individual lives on a cloud of some sort of escapist tendencies, which leads to being ungrounded in the physical world rendering the individual hopeless to deal with the practical side of life. Souls with this and similar aspects can be extremely sensitive to impurities in food and drink and to all sorts of medications that are not natural. The Soul is attempting to define for itself thru the act of discrimination what is beneficial and what is not, beyond what anyone says. This will lead the individual over time, to define for him/herself what is healthy and what is not, what to consume, what not to and, on a progressive basis to improve the lifestyle thru effort and, intelligence and experience. This is a positive aspect of how this placement can live out, the Soul can become very experienced in health issues and actually may make a career out of the health industry or practice medicine/nutrition/physiotherapy or something similar, to a degree at least.

Persecution

When looking at this aspect from a past life point of view this is one of those aspects and all tense aspects between Saturn and Neptune can correlate to persecution. persecution for vaious reasons but in Virgo/Sagittarius the main themes would be persecution because of a need to understand truth itself as perceived from the inside and beyond what religion/philosophy dictates. We can imagine that in the past lives of a Soul with this aspect there could of been various lives in which dynamics relative to religious and philosophical beliefs put the Soul in a position of either persecutor or persecuted. Probably both as the Soul on the one hand needed to have total faith in his or her core ideals and could of been persecuted for having ideals that were not socially accepted. Also in the position of persecutor when the ideals of others caused a sense of insecurity in the individual which then led to him or her persecuting others in order to maintain the known, secure reality.

Another dynamic that could lead to persecution in the past and thus in the present, could be relative to beliefs of how to conduct oneself socially. What is socially acceptable vs what is not. Of course this will always depend on the circumstancial conditioning of the Soul but the main theme here is for the Soul to understand for itself what to believe in terms of what is real, what simply is and how to fit into the world at large with what it feels and knows inside, whether in accordance with what others think and believe or not.

Another dynamic relative to health issues"¦ this aspect can correlate to extremely deep wounds due to persecution or simply rejection of ones core ideals, spiritual or religious pursuits etc. Saturn square Neptune can of course be extremely sensitive to criticism and simply desire to withdraw from any and all opposition due to memories of ridicule, persecution and judgement. With Saturn in Virgo square Neptune in Sagittarius the Soul can desire to take responsibility for its health as there may be a natural distrust of the medical establishment or various other established social systems, due to past experiences just mentioned. The Soul may simply desire to tune out and float away to some distant place, real or imagined but, with Saturn in Virgo reality keeps on biting and work needs to be done just as physical maintenance also needs to be done and cherished. With this aspect there can be a tendency in some natives to live out one of the planets dynamics to the extreme while suppressing or neglecting the other. For example we can have the clean and tidy freak who needs to be in control of everything and as soon as there is a spot on the tablecloth there is a crisis. These are the people that can develop into the famous hypochondriacs that Virgo is known for. The Neptune function will make sure there are many spots on the tablecloth as long as the person is vested in keeping a tight sense of control and goes into meltdown when things simply cannot be controlled. The other extreme would be the Soul that lives the Neptune function and neglects or evades the responsabilites and duties represented by Saturn´s sign, house position and aspects to other planets. This can translate into someone who drifts from place to place doing some work here and there but leaving as soon as anything gets in the way of freedom or as soon as things get sticky in some way. It can correlate to the Soul who dodges work in everyway as he or she thinks it is beneath him yet at the same time has needs in the physical world in order to satisfy its desires.

Saturn square Neptune last quarter can correlate to a Soul that has experienced extreme disillusionment in the lives prior to the current one and also in the current life. Extreme disillusionment relative to external authorities, parents, people in general and their own selves at times. Dishonesty can be a very big issue for this Soul either as it learns to be totally honest or as it learns to accept that most people are not honest themselves and needs to stop being taken advantage of. With Saturn square Neptune it´s understandable that there can be some naivety but there can also be huge dishonest behaviour in order to make our own ultimate beliefs appealable to others. Of course it can work both ways where others impose, sometimes by force and in ways that can be physically traumatizing (Saturn).  I have this exact aspect and was born to a Jewish mother by blood, then baptised Christian as a baby and forced against my will to practice and study Islam as a child. Here we can see the Neptune in Sagittarius function dissolving barriers between various religious traditions and beliefs that stem from the various cultural differences around the world. At the same time we have the defining and structuring side of Saturn in Virgo which in it´s desire for self improvement and perfection can adopt all sorts of guilt patterns and negative conditioning, which can have a negative impact on it´s self image and thus ability to operate within society, from the very authority figures that are there to protect and educate the child.

Form and formlessness.

When dealing with these two planets we are dealing with the natural form and formlessness of anything. With the last quarter square we might not even understand the difference between the two, or the formless may be in fact the form and vice versa. Again the question and issue is: what is real? The Soul´s that are less courageous and less aware will naturally tend to gravitate back towards that which at some point represented solidity and security. The Saturn function and conditioning may be preferred to the unkown abyss that correlates with Neptune. This can correlate to Souls who do their own research and define to a degree their own ultimate ideals or desire to express their artistic side and yet succumb to the ways that are known and secure. They succumb to the desire to be accepted by the majority and can live out the trancendental impulse (Neptune) by simply attemtping to escape their own inner selves by drinking or watching too much t.v. or going to every football match in order to feel complete and find a sense of unity with others.
The difficulty in establishing a definite form can also translate into difficulty in doing anything meaningful in society on a professional level. There can be insecurities and huge doubts about anything and everything if the native has difficulty in defining what is real and what is not. There can be a flip flopping between total dedication to a goal (Saturn) and the desire to let go of all the stress and tension that is inherent in most real life situations by any means possible (Neptune) or to dedicate to a spiritual life.
This is a great aspect for an artist of some kind, a film maker, musician or photographer as they can see things that many others cannot or would not dare to. They can give form to some of the most "out there" ideas any one could ever have. They can have a unique quality to unite others and wash away boundaries between people with their art if it comes from the right place and is in harmony with the greater good. They can have amazing imaginations or inner and outer realities that defy logic and "reality" itself. These Souls in the highest levels such as in some advanced Yogis and Monks or extremely devoted and evolved individuals, may be interested in being able to conquer many of the limitations in human form, such as desiring to become less dense and de-materialize themselves at will. This sounds out there but in very advanced levels of awareness many things that are not conceivable to the majority is actually really possible. We all have the interface between Saturn and Neptune and this is what it boils down to. What truly is real and possible from an ultimate point of view vs what is real and possible within our conditioning and how they interface. This conditioning of course comes from within our own individual consciousness and Souls, Pluto. We all have this interfacing within ourselves and it seems to me that there are three determinants of what is possible and what is not possible in human form.

1 Consciousness itself and the level of consciousness of the Soul.
2 Faith in the ability to manifest what is desired.
3 If what is desired is in synch with the greater good of the individual and the whole.

When looking at Saturn and Neptune in this light, we see that these two archetypes correlate directly to the potential of what one can achieve on the planet relative to the unlimited imagination of an individual. What one can build, not only for the self but also for others or the whole. Saturn and Neptune´s cycle will show how the real and unreal are experienced by the Soul and how these dynamics are lived out in the life of the individual or collective. We all have Saturn and Neptune somewhere and the trick is to find balance between the infinite potential we can perceive as possible with Neptune and the practical and tangible application of the ideal or the dream. An example would be Shamanism as it correlates with natural law and natural ways of healing and percieving the Soul, to me it correlates with Sagittarius and Scorpio, in these regards. Any form of ritualistic path to the Soul or use of psychedelics to me, also correlate to Pluto/Scorpio as they lead one to the Soul. That is what psychedelic means, evidence of the Soul. When in square aspect to Saturn in Virgo we can have the Shamanistic or holistic side suppressed by those in the medical professions, by those in authority, criticized, ridiculed and ultimately persecuted in order for the status quo to maintain itself. On another level we can have those that desire to be responsible for their health and for example desire to be vegetarians for various reasons, one of them being the desire to protect nature (Neptune in Sagittarius) while discerning what is truly healthy for the body (Virgo). At the same time something so simple as becoming a vegetarian can arouse strong criticism from others as it shakes their structural reality and sense of security.


Guilt and atonement

Virgo correlates with atonement and Saturn with man made guilt. With Saturn in Virgo there can be a sense of guilt because of patriarchal conditioning of various kinds of distorted beliefs and judgements stemming from religious or ideological distortions that have been perpetuated along the current Age of Pisces. Saturn in Virgo can correlate with a consciousness that is constantly attempting to atone for guilt that is not even natural but acquired thru constant judgement from external sources. In the current patriarchal way of life there have been many many distortions of the human being and nature in general and there have been many who have judged others and convicted them, burnt them even, simply in order to maintain their own structural reality or status quo intact. Simply in order to stay in control. Saturn in Virgo and it´s natural desire to atone for the un-natural and acquired guilt, can develop a sense of masoquism in which the individual constantly undermines him or herself, always creating situations in which he or she can end up humiliated. The constant feeling of being "stepped on" by others can lead to an inner compression of crystalized negative emotions and thoughts, especially when Saturn is in aspect to other planets such as the Moon or Mercury, that leads the individual to sort of dry up emotionally and become sarcastic, ironic and cold. The individual can begin to develop sadistic tendencies as the attitude of self judgement, in negative self undermining ways is turned outwards to other people or the environment. The need to judge others and make them pay or suffer can merely be a reflection of the individual´s own self judgement which is stemming from the need to atone for the guilt he or she feels. Remembering that guilt can be acquired, hopefully the individual at key points in his or her journey will have undergone so much self analysis as to lead to the understanding that the guilt dynamics and need to hurt the self and others is not inherently theirs. Thru the Pisces polarity there can be situations that simply overwhelm the consciousness of the individual at times, which has the effect of washing away many learnt and crystalized patterns of behaviour. The Pisces polarity asks to forgive and have compasison for the self instead of picking away at something that may not be that big of a deal in the end.

In situations of natural guilt, when the Soul in the current life or in its evolutionary history has done things that have gone against its own core internal value system, natural law and social law that is un-distorted, the need to atone which is natural to Virgo ,will need to forgive itself and develop some form of strategy in order to atone and be able to heal. Natural guilt is devastating and crippling but thru a Virgo step by step process and pure dedication one can free oneself from the emotions associated with the guilt and learn our lessons.
Saturn inVirgo can correlate with such guilts and the need to atone for or the need to discern and release the man made distorted guilt and its effects on the consciousness and thus reality of the Soul. If the Soul is flogging itself then it´s normal it will attract others in the environment who will be sadistic towards the masoquist until the Soul learns to let go of the desire to hurt itself and learns to be compassionate towards itself and others.

Virgo correlates with lonelyness and emptyness until the Soul has made a connection to the divine as symbolized by the Pisces polarity. Until Saturn or any other planet in Virgo aligns itself with a higher power of some kind, depending of course on various factors such as evolutionary level, country of birth which then has its own sociological conditioning and set of customs and norms, family and individual choices, the Soul can feel empty and disconnected, an inner void that nothing can fill up even with a lot of effort and work. The Soul is learning to be a part of the whole that actively contributes in a mature, serious and effective manner, capable of executing tasks that are simply necessary, big or small. The core emptyness a Saturn in Virgo can feel, when in this aspect to Neptune can be a very depressive influence. The Soul can set itself up for extremely disillusioning situations with others and with itself relative to its social and professional functions in society. The individual may encounter rejection, ridicule and an inability to find a specific work or function that is also in harmony with his or her ideals and dreams. With this aspect the individual may have enormous dreams yet be stuck in a reality that is totally opposite what the individual dreams to accomplish. This can lead to various types of depressive attitudes or to escapist tendencies of various types. It can lead to the individual creating fantasies about the nature of life itself and about his or her own social identity and purpose.

Judgement

Natural judgement is the judgement of ones own consciousness, of the highest ideals we have deeply ingrained within ourselves and make up what we idealize on the deepest levels of our being. Remembering our spiritual root which has Aquarian qualities (S.Node of Neptune in Aquarius) of equality, inclusion, sharing and freedom, we all share these inner ideals whether we are aware of them or simply in a self deluded or quasi sleeping state. When these core ideals are not respected and distorted, it can create natural guilt and thus naturally lead to confused states and painful experiences. The square to Neptune and it´s crisis in consciousness is a crisis of faith. A crisis that needs us to follow ones core truth to the very end and to surrender any false judgements as they arise if necessary. What is man made judgement compared to natural judgement of your own consciousness or of others who have a natural right to judge us or even the Source itself? With these symbols the Soul will naturally have experiences of confusion and doubt relative to ultimate rights and wrongs vs socially learned judgements. In the end it is up to the individual to interface with these dynamics and find his or her way. The theme of natural judgement vs man made judgement will be ever so present in the consciousness of the individual as he or she learns to discriminate between the two. The Soul will also be learning about responsibility for the judgements it projects onto others as Saturn in Virgo can project negativity onto others because of unresolved criticism towards the self as it judges itself against a perfect standard of some type, including religious standards or impossible to attain standards of purity and perfection.

Ultimately the Soul judges itself in the light of the Source and is purified, the more impurities the Soul contains the more painful the experience is, as it experiences these impurities in comparison to its highest ideals and to the purity of the Source. The experience is utterly humbling.


Self Mastery

With Saturn in Virgo or the Sixth house the individual may at times simply be too hard on itself, always focusing on what is wrong in the environment or with others, which is in fact a sadistic or masoquistic approach to itself and life in general. Virgo wants perfection and yet there is only relative perfection so Virgo needs to learn to accept that the the totality of existence as we know it, is in fact in constant evolution, just as the individual is, therefore that implies that no one or anything is actually perfect. Thus Virgo can stop expecting so much from itself and others and with Saturn in Virgo there can be a strong tendency towards negative judgements of the self and others because of the impossible desire to reach an unrealistic ideal of purity and perfection. Saturn here can be extremey negative about itself and others to the point of giving up before even trying as it can correlate with an individual who doesn´t believe in him or herself and is scared of failure. With the Square to Neptune it has certainly experienced extreme failure of some kind and can develop irrational fears and negative mental attitudes because of these experiences. The trick and lesson is to take things a little easier and learn to trust the flow of life instead of trying to be in constant control. Virgo can be a very cold sign due to its analytical nature and Saturn here can correlate with a control freak. Its high level of intelligence can only go so far as it is reason and logic based, left brain and linear in its nature. The left brain can only comprehend so much on its own and with Saturn in Virgo there can be a potential sense of inner inadequacy towards ones own mental and logical functions or abilities. Some may simply feel less intelligent and inferior and thus attempt to compensate and structure their knowledge thru repetitive experience and by focusing on certain subjects/bodies of knowledge to a very high level of detail in order to overcome the sense of inadequacy and find some comfort in their own skin. Training and practice to "perfection" is a potential gift with this Saturn placement and the possibility of becoming a master at something, even if that something seems small and unimportant in the big picture, is still mastery. This mastery is in the end mastery of one self thru dedication. The Soul is attempting to learn how to use its time to experience life on Earth in the most efficient and practical ways for itself and others. Service is something the Soul is learning as it continually purifies itself of accumulated guilt and emotional/mental impurities and learns true humility by putting itself at the bottom of the pyramid. Depending on the individual Soul path and evolutionary journey, the Soul has currently developed the desire and need to live a life in which the themes of humility and service, constant self analysis, in order to improve and efficiency, are highly ingrained in the Individual´s consciousness, it is how it´s structured, with the Virgo background archetypal dynamic quality of purification. The individual can become a healer and serve the whole or the Source thru service of all kinds if it develops its consciousness in that way instead of constantly undermining itself thru sharp and cold self criticism. Thru being of service it can improve while gaining positive feedback from the environment or those in positions of authority which leads to a continual sense of personal self improvement and advancement thus eliminating the potential core sense of aloneness. Remembering the mutable quality of Virgo it is extremely expansive too and within its natural mode of operating, can go from one thing to another in both positive and negative ways. Just like it can create crisis after crisis in an exponential way which can lead to nervous breakdowns and other crippling health issues, the individual can also exponentially improve his or her life, self image and environment or the lives of others. It all depends on the effort the individual makes when dealing with reality and the world at large, the mentality and conscious focus, which over time naturally crystalizes within his or her awareness.



Disillusionment

Since Saturn represents the goals we have and that which we aspire to build and structure and Neptune represents the formless and timeless, the individual may have a hard time sticking to projects or goals until their completion. There can be a tendency to simply give up or find excuses and rationalizations in order not to do whatever was desired. One reason for this may be a lack of belief and faith in the self or in the goal itself. Since Saturn/Neptune in hard aspect can be so confusing to the individual on a cyclical basis, he or she may at times really not know what is real and what is not on a fundamental level. Depending on the evolutionary level of the Soul, it will have a hard time actually defining healthy boundaries in various areas of life and existence, therefore it´s quite understandable that the individual may commit half heartedly at times due to the lack of faith or lack of interest. With this particular combination, depending on other planetary placements and configurations, the individual may be disillusioned with many aspects of life in general rangiing from governments to parents and people in authority to iconic figures and spiritual people one looks to for inspiration. One can be disillusioned with the state of the planet itself as Saturn in Virgo has a connection to environmental issues and the health services which relates to the quality of life for the population of any society. In square to Neptune in Sagittarius we have a natural inclination towards natural law which is being totally abused in the current timeframe we live in. Saturn in Virgo will become increasingly more aware of this fact and depending on the individuals with this Saturn placement and aspect to Neptune, can decide to take responsibility for its individual footprint on Earth in order to minimize the damage.


Faith is the key

Saturn in Virgo can and will many times feel inadequate or inferior if not well prepared, knowledgeable or simply ready to perform in some area of life. The house position of Saturn will show where the individual can feel inadequate because of a sense of inferiority and un-prepared-ness. Neptune in Sagittarius is totally at odds with Saturn in Virgo. Neptune in Sagittarius simply wants to be free and roam inwardly or outwarldy, it doesn´t really concern itself with the little details and worries and manias that a Saturn in Virgo can have, everything is always great for this Neptune, as Sagittarius can simply re-inspire itself over and over again no matter what happens and yet here is Saturn in Virgo, aka the "stone in your shoe" that reminds you to go to work and fulfill your obligations. Or it´s the health problem or problems in personal relationships that can arise from a care free attitude and an avoidance of responsibilites due to the false delusional attitude that all will be well.

With these planets configured in this way the Soul will need to be excrutiatingly honest with itself and others and learn to accept its own ignorance as a natural part of the natural development of a human being. Sometimes it requires courage to admit we do not know something or don´t know anything at all. With this aspect at times it can just be too confusing or painful and we might just need to let go of everything and have faith (Neptune) that we will find our way and the preserverance (Saturn) to stick to the chosen path. Faith that the Universe or the Source or whatever you believe in is present in your life and you are going thru the mill to know what your place is, not only in society but also in the cosmos. This aspect is so out there in terms of the intangible and the tangible interacting with each other, it´s as if the Soul needs to experience this type of crisis in consciousness in order to go on to the next level where social, parental, external conditioning is bombarded with tsunamis of timeless qualities that flood the consciousness of the individual in order to wash away the crystalized structures that inhibit a larger connection to others, the environment or existence itself. The Soul can feel "lost in space" at times and will have to adapt and simply go with the flow as old structures simply do not hold up, but its faith will have to.

Pisces as an archetype represents the essence of emotion.
When the structural nature of consciousness is wrapped and conditioned with a Pisces border, the Soul will naturally have a high degree of sensitivity and will take in things from the environment more easily and with less defense, emotionally speaking and otherwise, in a sense. this Soul will 'feel' everything. Since Neptune, the ruler of Pisces connects to the immune system, this can also involve having a more compromised immune system or one that is having to work hard to fight off influences because more is filtering though, similar to a permeable membrane. But in essence this constitutes an open field of energetic permeability and a Soul who can easily osmose the energy of others, the collective energy included.

Considering Saturn in Pisces will then condition every other planet in the chart, this connects to a natural emotional Soul, and a Soul whose make-up is naturally innocent, as a result also gullible and naive, unassuming and often shy and overly trusting, and always wanting to give others the benefit of the doubt. This also connects to wanting to believe in the best in others, a self created ideal to see them at their best, and when this highest image does not manifest it can create repeated disillusionment, the Soul can feel victimized and every time it happens, it will feel like the first time. This can also include what you want to believe in a situation versus what is actually true, leading to disillusionment, JG calls this being an "emotional chump" - " Things are not always what they appear to be" or what one imagined and hoped for them to be.  Beyond being emotionally overly idealistic, the same may be true as it relates to one's spiritual idealism, or vision of God, an image of perfection of an entity who would sweep in and rescue, a God who would save the day at critical moments.

The Saturn in Pisces Soul will have an idealized standard of conduct and will have an ultimate sense of right and wrong which is reflected in this standard. They will judge themselves and others in reference to this standard and will experience self induced persecution when they were not able to do the right thing and persecute and judge others for not doing what is right, according to this standard, which is relative to their own weaknesses and flaws.  This becomes intensified when Saturn in Pisces is in opposition to Pluto in Virgo as the self critical themes can reach extremes and this then can be projected onto others. Many have also drawn lifetimes of persecution in order to atone for the guilt for not doing the "˜right thing'. They may come into this life with a sense of victimization and martyrdom, feeling at the mercy of forces beyond their control. It will be essential that these Souls start with taking responsibility for what their Soul has created leading up to this point and being able to ask that bottom line question, WHY? Some of these "˜victims' who cannot face the past will compulsively avoid or escape reality through drugs or alcohol or any type of avoidance activities, creating a stalling out or a distraction from their right path. Avoidance activities can include anything that gets in the way with what the Soul needs to be tending to and focusing on, which can also include a plethora of tasks creating mind clutter and repeated diversions and a distancing from their emotional bodies. Considering the only way the Soul evolves is via the emotional body, this would create a suspending effect or in some cases a "˜slipping down the evolutionary mountain" until a wake-up call arrives and they are forced into some form of metamorphoses. They may have or will compulsively blame others for their avoidance behavior and in the most extreme cases, some Souls will remain locked in their own inner prison. Ultimately, this lesson and intention is to align one's will with higher will, so the inner cell door can swing freely open again.

Living With Ghosts

With Saturn in Pisces opposing Pluto in Virgo, the Soul would have been persecuted harshly by the patriarchy ( I suppose who hasn't been) but these symbols connect directly to being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps the Soul was hiding and was caught in the act of something, exposing their innocence and finding themselves in a dangerously vulnerable position that the patriarchy did not "˜approve' of, due to some man made religious rights and wrong, this even includes betrayal by ones own family.  It could have become so extreme that the Soul would have experienced absolute humiliation, leading them past the point of no return where everything they trusted in themselves and in the universe was destroyed, everything they may have loved or celebrated within themselves would have then felt to be ugly and wrong, nothing they deemed pure remained. The acts of others would have challenged everything they had come to believe creating devastating disillusionment, to the point of wondering who or what they could trust. Because the Soul is drawn to some type of transcendental belief system and in many cases a seamless spirituality, they may have lost their belief in God altogether, a sense of betrayal by their God when God was no where to be found when they needed "˜him' to save them from being the victim of the most heinous acts...and in those moments asking, "Where is God?", as they rocked in ruin.


At some point though, as for any Soul, all is not ever lost, there will always be a need to pick up the pieces and start again, to build again. This will be a life when the Soul will come up against these limiting blocks and barricades in order to grow, to throw off the fears and to return back to itself one Virgo step at a time. The Soul is needing to create a new groove in the record and this will take practice and time and determination. The inner tapes that have played about the Soul's innocent and pure nature can be so negative that they may have even gone so far as to totally deny and discount their original make-up due to the consequences of this expression, as a result Saturn in Pisces opposing Pluto in Virgo reflects Souls going into deep hiding to protect themselves from further ridicule, exposure, abuse and attack.  


If this Soul was in the individuated or Spiritual state, the Soul may have gone into hiding, Pisces, escaping within consensus families in some cases to avoid actualizing their unique make-up, they would have been born into families, or cultures that reflected the norm, the masses, the polar opposite of who they are. One example of this is a Soul who is naturally wild and bohemian in nature, a true gypsy spirit and born during the hippie time yet exposed to none of it, no sign of it anywhere in the growing years as the Soul was shielded from this uninhibited free love revolution by the church and her patriarchal family structure. This Soul may have chosen this family and culture as to not stand out in the world or they may have needed to enter an environment like this that was so antithetical to their nature it would create a constant state of simply feeling ill, uneasy and an alien in that world, in order to force them back into their nature, as 'it takes an extreme to counteract an extreme'. Life in this context would have felt so counter to who they are that they would continually be questioning and naturally judging this environment and what society and/or their parents were asking of them. At some point if the pressure and the pain of the living lie was too much to carry, they would abandon the conditioned life and challenge those walls that were built to distance them from themselves and ultimately their essence, which is pure wide open emotion.

However, this aspect could also reflect a total Soul Gridlock. Souls with this aspect may even at times appear like automatons, anything for Soul survival, anything for their purity and vulnerability not to be exposed. There will be many 'chapters in their Soul's book where they are afraid to look'. At the end of the day, evolution becomes a choice and for some the risks may feel to be too high, some Souls could have a death grip on their perceived safety zone. One simple step in the direction that reflects a return to innocence can feel like life or death. The fears that surface can in many cases me so irrational and unrealistic and can be taken to paralyzing extremes, where the Soul would create one crisis after another. This would prove to be even more problematic as the greater the resistance, the more intense the energy will be to ensure change and evolution. This will be a life where the resistance or even conditioning would reach peaking levels at various energetic gates so either way the Soul will experience cataclysms and shocks in order to jettison the cement wrapping and that crystallization that had kept them frozen from their Soul's natural design. However, the shocks do not of themselves guarantee growth and evolution. There are some Souls who may appear to change or make temporary adjustments but the root of resistance remains and the pattern of denial and defense persists.


With Saturn in Pisces opposing Saturn there will be a great fear of the unknown as if their Soul is standing on a precipice and no real sense as to where the leap will lead, and with memories in the cells of it leading to the worse, it will be hard to trust in the light forward. They will need proof at every step, some sort of tangible proof that they are safe and headed in the right direction. With every planet in their chart energized with Pisces, their proof will come with a feeling, an emotion and for some it will come in the form of a higher energy for only then will they begin to open their Soul windows and doors to the world again, the light will naturally spill forth, they will get this validation from within.


There is a desire to dissolve all barriers that prevent merging with the source whether they are emotional, psychological, intellectual or spiritual in nature and this will be a life where those barriers are confronted and tackled with the sole intention to remove them and clear the way so a deeper union with themselves and through extension the Ultimate Source, can happen. However there is an intense fear of losing control, a fear of their own intensity for some, and this Soul would have gone so far as to sacrifice itself and its own evolution rather than face that fear. If there have been choices leading up to this life where there was too much ego involvement then this will be a life where repeated humiliation occurs in order to bring their Soul back into a healthy state of balance and so any egocentric identification is in the process of being dissolved. Individuals with Saturn in Pisces oppose Pluto in Virgo have "resisted the evolutionary pull to merge, surrender and seek identification with the source". This resistance as a result will create confusion and disorientation, alienation and disintegration at various stages in their life.

Through denial, the Soul will create one fantasy or illusion after another, these dreams are given tremendous power, they create these fantasies in order to find meaning, as if these fantasies would provide some form of ultimate meaning. At some point, this dream bubble will burst as the only place one finds ultimate meaning and unconditional love is in one's connection to the Source , and as painful as the disillusionment may be, there is 'magic in the clarity'.

Over time, as the pressure builds an implosion of sorts will occur, leading to a breakdown or a disintegration of some aspect of their identity or beliefs. Whatever they had built around themselves, the emotional fortress that was in place will come tumbling down as they realize that the life they had built for themselves, "Isn't me".  They will experience the great void as all the illusions of meaning they had created do not hold water and they find themselves saying, "There must be more than this", or asking, "Is this really all there is?"  There will be a progressive loss of control in their life and at some point, some form of surrender will inevitably win.


There will need to be a conscious re-wiring and re-working on the inner programming. Some type of daily ritual that reflects a purifying of mind and body as in mediation or various types of yoga would be helpful to change the inner energy stream and improve the mental self destruction. Doubt will also continue to plague these Souls as they bump up against memories of the past or negative self judgements that surface, so it will be essential to have a strategy in place where an immediate counter thought replaces whatever thought has forced a freeze. This will be a life where the Soul will need to eliminate, Pluto, anything and everything that does not align with or support their path forward, a true shedding of skins. This aspect can reflect a delay in actualizing one's right work, a procrastination even leading to a health crisis if they are not honoring the path the Soul intended due to being tied up in a knot resistance. The Soul would be famous for making excuses for all the reasons why they cannot take the leap and honor their right work. All of the excuses will sound rational yet they are what they are, excuses, linked with fears to embrace the unknown.

"There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in" ~ Leonard Cohen

The Pisces energy that permeates their Soul will echo with relief and encourage again a search for ultimate meaning, that meaning that can only be found  in one's relationship with the eternal Source of all things, God. They must Surrender to the fear in order to experience divine communion and guidance and to truly understand that we are all broken and yet we are all also perfect in our original design, and that ULTIMATE STRENGTH LIES IN THE VULNERABILITY, that the Soul's power lives is IN their EMOTION. A daily space dedicated to this recovery must occur consistently, without fail, there must be no excuses for not "sitting in that space", a space to purify their hearts, body and mind, for nothing will be more important than the Soul's determination and efforts made to connect and return, no matter how long it takes.

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Thanks again Rad, as always, for this learning opportunity and thanks group for your priceless contributions.

Kristin

Hi Kristin, Linda, Skywalker, and Cat....

I want to thank each of you for making the efforts that you have. I will be reading thoroughly all of what you each has presented, and get back to you in a few days.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda,

First, thanks for taking the time and making the effort that you have especially in consideration of your physical body doing what it has been doing.

Your very detailed analysis of the Saturn/Uranus cycle relative to the natural phases between them that occur in time is just wonderful and excellent work.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Cat,

First, thanks for taking the time and effort you have to work on this segment of our Saturn thread.

You have presented some of the key archetypes that correlate with a Saturn/ Pluto square that would apply to some Souls depending on their evolutionary state. In other words the various archetypes that you have identified would manifest differently depending on the specific evolutionary state which of course provides to orientation to those archetypes. For example, a Soul in the 2nd stage individuated relative the the archetype of philosophy, religion, etc would not condition their consciousness in that way. They would orientate to the square by way of intense rebellion against such things.

Using Maher as your example of the Pluto/Saturn square was good in terms of showing how his Saturn work lead the way for his Soul. His is a stated atheist. This reflects my point about the specific evolutionary condition serving as the determinant for the orientation to the archetypes that you have pointed out. To me Maher is well into the 1st Stage individuated leading to the 2nd stage which then correlates to what I said to the 2nd stage individuated: he has evolved so far within the 1st stage that it has then caused him to orientate to religions, etc in exactly the way that he has.

In essence you have done a good job Cat but it is a bit to generalized: Sagittarius.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Skywalker,

First, thanks for taking the time and making the stupendous effort you have in detailing all the possible archetypes of the Saturn/Virgo last quarter square to Neptune/ Sagittarius. What you have presented and shared with us is the most comprehensive and accurate analysis and teaching that anyone could provide.

The total depth and comprehensiveness that you have gone into is just superior EA work. The only exception that I took started in the first sentence: "Neptune is the planet that is easily able to go beyond Saturn's conditioning. Saturn."

Relative to specific evolutionary states this is not always true. In the depths of the consensus states, for example, just the opposite would be true to the point of manifesting an almost hysterical holding onto, Neptune, the existing to the existing conditioning of Saturn. This reflects what you are saying about the fear of the unknown relative to Saturn.

Other than that my hat is off to you Skywalker. This is just tremendous and superior EA work.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin,

First, thanks for taking the time and making the effort you have in your presentation and analysis of the Saturn/Pisces in opposition to Pluto/ Virgo.

You have correctly identified many of the inherent archetypes relative to this aspect, and the inner causes that lead to the various manifestations of these archetypes. This is one of the things that you said that more or less sums it all up: "Through denial, the Soul will create one fantasy or illusion after another, these dreams are given tremendous power, they create these fantasies in order to find meaning, as if these fantasies would provide some form of ultimate meaning. At some point, this dream bubble will burst as the only place one finds ultimate meaning and unconditional love is in one's connection to the Source , and as painful as the disillusionment may be, there is 'magic in the clarity'. "

One of the core archetypes of this aspect that you could have mentioned is this which, in the end, correlates to why the Soul would choose to be born with Saturn in Pisces in opposition to Pluto in Virgo in the first place: evolving the Soul's consciousness through and because of the inductive understanding of anything versus the deductive understanding of anything. In this way, the Soul them simplifies the understanding of anything, including itself, by seeing the whole picture first versus becoming lost to a specific piece of the picture.

Really wonderful and excellent EA work Kristin.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin, Skywalker, Cat, and Linda

Thanks to all of you for taking the time that you have to work on this segment. At the top of next week we will continue on in our journey through our ongoing Saturn thread. If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Thanks for your feedback Rad....and for taking the time to support us forward.

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You wrote: " One of the core archetypes of this aspect that you could have mentioned is this which, in the end, correlates to Why the Soul would choose to be born with Saturn in Pisces in opposition to Pluto in Virgo in the first place evolving the Soul's consciousness through and because of the inductive understanding of anything versus the deductive understanding of anything. In this way, the Soul them simplifies the understanding of anything, including itself, by seeing the whole picture first versus becoming lost to a specific piece of the picture."

Something amazingly timely occurred yesterday during a reading I had with a client. The woman said to me in reflecting about her own journey..she has North Node in Cap in the 6th, ruler Saturn in Scorpio conjunct Neptune in Libra in the 4th,

It is about going from the microscope to the telescope

and as soon as she said that it clicked...I wanted to include this but I had already submitted my post..I am glad you brought this up because it really drove these necessary teachings home relative to the Saturn in Pisces Opp Pluto in Virgo aspect.  I have been reflecting about this ever since.

Thank You!

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad, Linda, Skywalker, Kristin, Cat et al,

Regarding Linda's very thorough post on the relationship between Saturn and Uranus, I wondered if it was appropriate to add the Chiron dynamic to this particular cycle.  Barbara Hand Clow has described Chiron as the bridge between the inner and outer planets relative to its orbit between Saturn and Uranus. Rose Marcus also defines his behavior as nothing less than showing up at the peak, outstanding times of our lives. In my work I have discovered the interelationship between these three celestial bodies relative to the near exact multiples of 7 years that occur in each of their planetary cycles--28, 51, & 84. The hard aspects of the Chiron cycle are frequently flanked by Saturn and Uranus cycle events, and often Saturn-Uranus, Saturn- Pluto, and Uranus-Pluto events as well. The highly elliptical orbit of this centaur, asteroid, comet (your choice) will cause the coincidence of the first Chiron square to vary widely from the 1st Saturn square to almost the 1st Saturn return and/or 1st Uranus square period in an individual's life, which adds a tremendous range of personal experience to the events in each person's life. However at each point in the cycle, the circumstances that emerge are either of a healing or of a mentoring nature, which reflect how the character of Chiron's energy is activating the Soul's core evolutionary theme.

I am wondering if anyone else has also observed this interaction and correlated this relationship to the Saturn and Uranus cycle and the critical role that Chiron plays as a key facilitator in the de-conditioning/awakening process in the Soul's evolutionary unfolding?

Always with great gratitude and respect,

Daniel

Hi Rad,

Thank you so much for your feedback regarding my Saturn-Uranus assignment (and for your feedback to our group who have all worked so hard and amazingly).

My physical condition is rather up and down - sometimes flying high with no pain - other times it can be difficult..... but I have decided to push on regardless as EA means so much to me.

Thank you Rad and EA!!

Cheers,

Linda

Hi Rad and Group,

Thanks, I find the Saturn/Neptune interface to be extremely interesting, volumes could be written about this planetary pair. Interesting how we all chose outer planets in aspect to Saturn.

Rad, thank you for your continued guidance as we continue to grow.

All the best

Daniel,

Here is my understanding of Chiron and what you are saying, in part.

Rad,

please correct me if I am inaccurate or wrong in any way. Thank you.

To me, Chiron is indeed a bridge we need to cross in order to accomplish the feat of true individuation as represented by Uranus. Relative to Saturn, we have our natural conditioning plus the Patriarchal reality we have endured over these past ages, which has wounded all of us humans and Nature in varying degrees. In addition we have social conditioning, the status quo that equals the past, security, which may or may not promote the proper conditions for our healthiest personal expression. Chiron is a process of healing, self discovery apart from the consensus reality, of self mastery, an initiation into the path of wholeness, which to me is symbolized by Uranus. With Uranus we find our mental traumas and memories of past life traumas that are stored in the individuated unconscious, that which we personally have experienced. In this way we can be fractured or shattered into pieces, Uranus, until we are able to put them back together again with Chiron´s courage to go through the process and peak experiences regarding pain and inadequacy. To heal, brutal honesty at looking at our own past actions, Saturn, is necessary but leads to wholeness again, Uranus.

Peak experiences can also be experienced relative to the healing process on the path to individuation, Uranus, as the Soul realizes/experiences deeper parts of itself and begins to experience life free from some of Saturn´s limitations and boundaries. In this sense Chiron can be the maverick as seen from the point of view of the consensus.

So in this sense Chiron is a bridge from broken to fixed, sick to healed, the past to the future, from social conditioning which we need to grow out of, first by mastering total self responsibility, Saturn, and secondly by going thru the process of healing, Chiron, which will lead to knowledge of the path and to our core sense of individuality, Uranus. In addition the Sun, will give purpose and serve as an integrating factor, relative to the individuated self, Uranus, and how the individual has a special purpose to fulfill.

All the best

Hi Daniel,

This thread is focusing on Saturn, not Chiron. One of the things you said that is wrong about Chiron is this: "which reflect how the character of Chiron's energy is activating the Soul's core evolutionary theme. "

The Soul itself, by way of DESIRES, is that which activates the Soul's core evolutionary theme or intentions.

Also, one of the great misunderstandings about Chiron, to me, is the over emphasis on 'healing' whereas Chiron can also do the wounding itself: where and how one can wound another.

In any case, this thread is about Saturn.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Thank you for your feedback.  I am very aware that my piece about Saturn in Sagittarius is very general in relation to Saturn in Sagittarius. It was a real struggle to come up with anything as I was suffering from what turns out to be a Saturn problem.  Being that this thread is about Saturn, I thought I'd share what I discovered.

During the time period we were given to complete the recent assignment, a huge cyst suddenly appeared on the back of my neck.  I had to take time out and see a doctor.  I was given a prescription for antibiotics and scheduled to have it removed.  I have Saturn in the first house semisexile Sun/Neptune in the 12th which makes me very sensitive to drugs of any kind including antibiotics. Between the drugs and the cyst, I really didn't feel like doing anything, including this assignment.

I was scheduled to have the cyst taken out the same day as the assignment was due.  The night before, I forced myself to finally sit down and write something.  I had considered sitting this one out, but I felt that I had made a commitment and should honor it.

Today, for the first time in about two weeks, I am actually feeling good and have some real energy to expend. I decided to look at my transits and see what is going on here. The first thing I did was look up cysts and found they are ruled by Venus. Transiting Saturn is at 18 degrees Scorpio forming a  sextile to my natal Venus at 18 Virgo. My Venus is opposition my Mars in Pisces, which means that transiting Saturn is trine my Mars (but not exact as with Venus). So here we see the symbolism of limited energy.

Transiting Pluto is in Capricorn ruled by Saturn which correlates with the skin. Pluto correlates with the elimination of toxins as well as bacterial infections. Pluto is quincunx Venus (cysts) which aspects Saturn (skin).

Going back to Mars, in addition to correlating with energy levels, I believe it correlates with inflammation, which was one of the symptoms. I think it also correlates to surgery as well.  Although they planned to surgically remove the cyst, it was so infected and inflamed that they had to drain it first and will remove it later on. Here we see Saturn/Mars as delay of surgery,

In addition, transiting Mars in Scorpio is conjunct my natal Saturn in the 1st House.  This is likely the trigger.

All of this symbolism jumped off the chart at me and being that it is directly related to Saturn, I thought  I'd share it.  I was just going to hope that whatever was going on would be over by the next assignment and sit here quietly thinking "I know" when reading the feedback.

So, thanks for the feedback. Hoping the next one will be better, but this isn't over yet :-)  

Please let me know if any of these correlations are wrong as I don't know if they all came from reliable sources.

Thanks

cat

Hi Cat,

Well, first, sure hope all is better with you now. Cysts do not correlate with Venus. They correlate with Pluto, Scorpio, and the 8th House. Thus, the Mars transit on your 1st House Saturn. Surgery is of course Pluto, Scorpio, and the 8th House, inflammations are indeed Mars. Saturn does correlate with the skin, and the neck area correlates with Venus.

I could tell when reading what you wrote that 'something' was not right with you as I know through other stuff we have done on this mb that you capacity for EA is so much more that what you wrote.

In any case, just get better Cat.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Cat, Skywalker, Kristin, and Linda............

So we will now begin our next segment in our Saturn thread. This will involve the totality of the Earth trinity of Capricorn, the 10th House, Saturn, Virgo, the 6th House, Mercury, and the Taurus, the 2nd House, and Venus as they apply to the work functions within the CONTEXT of the country of birth. We will start simply and progressively develop the entirety of this natural Earth trinity as we move along.

Saturn, the 10th House, and Capricorn all correlate to the total structure of the world, and all countries within the world. This is what then the consensus calls "˜reality' where reality is a function of the consensus understandings of any given phenomena.

One of the structures within the world and countries that are necessary for it to operate as an organized whole that is stable are the various and necessary functions that all the humans who inhabit it must perform, in total, in order for the structure of the country or world to function, and be stable. One of those functions is all the work that must be done on behalf of the country, and the humans within it. Thus, there are a diversity of work functions and structures that, in total, allow for the country to be stable, and to operate as an organized whole on an ongoing basis.

Work functions by humans can then be a called a career when any given human commits to that work function for a long duration in time which can also correlate to an entire life. The consensus within any country naturally expects and requires that these work functions or careers are CONFORMED to. Thus, all humans are exposed to these expectations to conform, at an early age, to the expectations defined by the needs of what any country has by way of the totality of the work functions necessary to do so.

This expectation to conform to the work requirements on behalf of the country of birth is a vital and necessary conditioning of the consciousness of the Soul in any given life, and place of birth. These necessary work requirements in any given country are further conditioned in the following ways.

The nature of the society and country of birth.

     A. The conditions of India, for example, that still has a caste system is quite different that say Canada that does not.

     B. The conditions of being female or male in the context of the society

     C. The economic conditions that the Soul is born into: everything from being abject poor to utterly wealthy.

     D. Race

     E. The evolutionary status of the Soul

All of these conditions then affect and largely determine what possible choices are available to any given citizen of whatever country of birth that the Soul chooses to be born into.

So just now I would like you to reflect on this and if you have any questions about it pleas ask now.

God Bless, Rad


   
 

Hi Cat, Linda, Kristin and Skywalker

Ok, so we will continue on with our discussion of the natural Earth trinity as it relates the possible work/ career choices for any given Soul relative to the 10th house, Saturn, and Capricorn 'conditions' that we presented above. It is of course very important for us to understand that despite the astrological archetypes that do correlate to what naturally desire to do by way of making these work/ career choices that literally billions of Soul's DO NOT HAVE THAT CHOICE given their country of birth, the economic conditions, religious conditions and gender bias that the Soul is born into.

Virgo and the 6th House:

     A. The necessary training involved in whatever career/ work options are available to the Soul
     B. Types of work that the Soul is naturally suited for
     C. The routine of work, and the Soul's natural orientation/ attitude towards that routine
     D. Attitude and orientation to other workers in the work space
     E. Relationship between the employer and the employee
     F. Work as a potential vehicle for "˜karma yoga'

Taurus and the 2nd House:

     A. The core values any given Soul has that correlate to it's sense of meaning for life and how both in combination condition the Soul's desires for work/ career. These core values and the meaning associated with them in turn correlate to the Soul's inner relationship with itself. This inner relationship is then a condition or determinant of the desires the Soul will have for potential work/ career choices. Additionally, it will correlate to how the Soul is able to relate to others in the work/ career space.

     B. The need to make a living in order to sustain the Soul is it's own conditions that of course impacts on the work/ career choices.
      C. Inherent resources brought forwards from other lives that correlate with innate abilities, capacities, or talents that can used in the current life as a way of making a living through the vehicle of work/ career. 
     D. Taurus and the 2nd House are naturally ruled by Venus whose higher octave in Neptune, the ruler of the 12th that the 2nd House and Taurus form a natural sextile too. The 12th House and Pisces is in opposition to Virgo and the 6th House, and sextile the 10th and Capricorn. These symbols correlate to what the Soul would desire as an "˜ultimate' form or type of work if it were at all possible. When linked with "˜karma yoga' relative to the 6th House and Virgo we can now see the archetypal basis for a Soul being able to inwardly experience the Godhead during the activity of work, and/ or relative to the evolutionary condition of the Soul of actually doing a work that is set in motion by the inner Godhead.

If you have any questions on this please ask them of me now. From here we will begin working with each of the Earth trinity archetypes, one by one, and then linking them all together as we progress. We will be using hypothetical and well as real life people in order to do this.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Cat, and Kristin

Ok, beginning next week, Monday, we will continue on in our development to the natural Earth trinity as it applies to work/career. We will begin very simply, at first, by discussing the various archetypes contained in each sign as these apply to the 10th House, Capricorn, Saturn, 6th House, Virgo, Mercury, and the 2nd House, Venus, and Taurus.  Within this discussion we will talk about how the natural trinity of these is integrated by the Soul as a whole that, in total, applies to the natural orientation of the Soul to the work/ career dynamics and requirements of the country of birth.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Cat, and Kristin

So what I propose we do in our next step is to put each sign on the 10th House, and create an EA analysis of how each of the signs would be ORIENTATED to the archetypes of the 10th House as described earlier as they relate to the work/ career requirements of any county/ society, or tribe of birth.

If we go through this one sign at a time this will allow you to focus totally upon it which will then allow for as an in depth and comprehensive understanding of each of the sign on the 10th house cusp. We will then do this with the other two houses, the 6th and the 2nd, so that by the time we get done with this we will then be able to accurately link the natural trinity of the 10th, 6th, and 2nd houses together: to integrate the entire trinity as each conditions one another.

After that is done we will be much better prepared to understand and apply other astrological dynamics, i.e. a planet or planets in these houses, the location of the planetary rulers of each of these houses, aspects to planets with then, and so on.

My intent and aim in doing it this way it to develop as comprehensive understanding as we can relative to one of the most important and vital functions of all humans: work. Work for one self, and work on behalf of the countries we live within, work on behalf of the world, and, ultimately, work on behalf of the Origins of all of us: God/ess.

So let's begin very simply just now. Let's put Aries on the 10th House cusp. In so doing simply link or fuse the archetypes of the 10th house to the archetypes of Aries. Thus, what is the orientation of Aries relative to the 10th house archetypes as they apply to the necessary work on behalf of the country, etc, of birth.

Let's try to have this done by September 29th: next Monday.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

MC
The Midheaven lies close to the top of the chart, at the cusp of the 10th house. It is noted as MC in the natal chart. The Midheaven, MC or Medium Coeli, literally means 'middle of the sky.' The other end of this axis, 'beneath' the earth, is the point known as the IC or Imum Coeli ('lower midheaven,' literally 'bottom of the sky').

The Angles
The angles are current life symbols that correlate to the current evolutionary intentions of the Soul and thus in EA are termed "new evolutionary cycles." The MC is one of the most important angles in the birth chart. It is one of the four gateways to the four quadrants of the chart:
AC - the natural conjunction, yang, instinctual, spontaneous, automatic, urge to initiate action, initiation of experience to create reaction.
IC - first quarter square, yin, crisis in action, striving to make the original intention/form/lifestyle real.
DC - gibbous opposition, yin, comparisons with others, self-analysis, withdrawal, self-effacement/humility.
DC - full phase opposition, yang, comparisons with others, social insecurity, equality/inequality.
MC (10th house gateway) - last quarter square, yin, crisis in consciousness/belief/identity/values/lifestyle, massive temptation to go backwards to the known, while the challenge is to forge ahead.

All angles are cardinal in nature, initiating action and change. Passing through these angles can be stressful because they all require release from the known into the unknown. They also correlate in Earth physical reality with the beginning of each of the four seasons of the solar year, thus the MC represents Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and Summer in the Southern Hemisphere.

Saturn, Capricorn, 10th House/MC Archetype
This archetype indicates social position, public reputation, personal authority, maturity, discipline, conformity, man-made law, tradition, politics, responsibility, burden, conditioning by family and society, structure, form, boundaries, limits, gravity, order, high standards of conduct, understanding of life cycles, and time. The nature of the current life cultural conditioning will also influence the self-image (the IC/4th house). Behind the evolutionary axis of the 10th/4th, the intention is for the person to become inwardly secure and express this to others within their social work. The archetype of the MC/10th house will also include the sign of Capricorn and the planet Saturn wherever they are found in the chart. Saturn will also have its own South Node correlating to the past that has been brought into the current life, and North Node which serves as the vehicle for the evolutionary future to manifest. These Planetary Nodes are integrated in each moment by the natal position of Saturn.  

Mars, Aries, 1st House/AC Archetype
This archetype correlates to the desire nature, expression of will, freedom, independence, being a loner, separation anxiety, impatience, spontaneity, enthusiasm, creativity, courage, initiative, narcissism, self-interest, pioneering spirit, and sense of special destiny. The archetype of Aries will also include the AC/1st house and wherever the planet Mars is in the chart, and in total will create gateways to new experiences. Mars will also have its own South Node correlating to the past that has been brought into the current life, and North Node which serves as the vehicle for the evolutionary future to manifest. These Planetary Nodes are integrated in each moment by the natal position of Mars.  

How the Archetype of the 10th House Fuses with Aries
The element for the 10th house/Saturn is Earth, and for Aries/Mars it is Fire. What is the aspect between Mars and Saturn in the chart? A trine or sextile would mean they would work together well, while a conjunction, square, inconjunct or opposition would be much more challenging. The natal aspect between Mars and Saturn would then give us more information about 10th house manifestations. Fusing the 10th house with Aries would bring strong determination, sustained effort and great stamina towards achieving goals, impulsive desire positively influenced by discipline, a strong work ethic, issues with anger and control, suppression of anger, frustration, maturity ensuring that desires do not harm society, and ambition coupled with boldness.

Mars is the NEW, and Saturn is the OLD. Aries will add "newness" to the 10th house old establishment. While the area of the 10th house makes the Soul feel inhibited, fearful or over-cautious, Aries expresses instinctively and enthusiastically. While Aries energy thinks of "me-first," the 10th house energy is more concerned with its effects upon "others and society." Aries rushing ahead in a spirit of unchecked freedom in the 10th house could also create deep guilt within the Soul due to having rushed ahead with instinctive attractions and then having to face the consequences through judgments or persecutions from society. Aries is aggressive, self-interested and impulsive, while the 10th house area is thoughtful, cautious and restrained.

Aries usually does not "think before it acts" however with Aries on the 10th house cusp there is more restraint in terms of future consequences of the Soul's actions. Some desires will be blocked by society as being too self-centred or foolish. Together these energies can create a tug-of-war between restriction and unchecked action. The 10th house area of wisdom and dependability can keep Aries rashness in check. Aries will bring creativity, life, newness and zing to 10th house structures, and in turn the 10th house will bring sustainability and longevity to Aries desires. In conventional astrology, Mars is said to be "exalted" in Capricorn, that is, it works in full vibrancy, therefore Aries on the 10th house can have the goat courageously and steadily climbing the mountain (...of material success, individuated creativity, or commitment to spirituality, depending on the level of evolution) to achieve its goals. The qualities of courage and steadfastness can compliment each other.

The excess of energy coming from the self (Aries/Mars) is controlled and economized in order to build structures that are useful, long-term, and of benefit to all (10th house/Saturn), not just satisfying the short-term desires of the self. The 10th house adds steadiness and power to the instinctualness of Aries desire. While Aries desires are usually short-lived (having the attention span of a nano-second) the 10th house allows the desires to stretch over a longer time period thus making them longer-lasting. The 10th house adds more consciousness to the urge to act. The god of war can either be controlled for the good of others, or used in a totalitarian way to achieve its goals at all costs. While Aries initiates the new ideas, the 10th house then builds and sustains them. And in turn the 10th house most visible achievements to society are sustained by Aries energy, creativity and initiative.

Through receiving "feedback and responses" from others to one's objectives, then one is able to cultivate the best social qualities of the 10th house, thus building something of value for the wider community. Aries is able to actively pursue goals without needing the support of others, therefore working alone, or being self-employed. Due to the sense of special destiny, Aries will add the enthusiasm and excitement to Saturn's sometimes dour and repetitive duties and responsibilities in the world. Aries will flow with constant ideas which will go through Saturn's filter of organization. Over time, Aries learns what impulses will work and those that will not. The 10th house sustains and allows the Aries archetype to shine and never get bored.

Career choices
Combining the Aries qualities of pioneering, discovery, working fast, physical stamina, leadership, adventure, courage, daring, sexual energy (but prone to burn-out), with 10th house qualities that require persistent effort, practicality, cautiousness, maturity, seriousness, and commitment (eg launching anything new, and then sustaining it), the complimentary energies of Aries and the 10th house can lead to one achieving their goals (becoming powerful, successful, and prominent in society) ... or to a fall from grace ... depending upon the individual karmic signature.

Famous people with Aries MC
Pablo Picasso - most recognized figure in 20th century art
Meryl Streep - one of the greatest film actresses of all time
Charles, Prince of Wales - heir to a throne
Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall - attracted worldwide scrutiny
Stephen King - 350 million books sold
Alfred Hitchcock - "Master of Suspense"
Joan of Arc - national heroine of France
Jean-Michel Jarre - pioneer in the Electronic and New Age music genres
Anne Frank - Holocaust victim
Alice Bailey - founder of an international esoteric movement



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Many thanks Rad and group.

I will now have to focus upon the EA Glossary update, so will need to conserve my energy.

Thank you so much for this further learning EA experience.

If I feel I can contribute more to this thread, I will.  However, I have promised myself and God

that I will stop due to physical pain.

Thanks again for your great wisdom, Rad!

Love,

Linda

Aries on the 10th House cusp represents a Brand new Evolutionary cycle with respect to one's career/work function. The career will reflect this new cycle of self discovery and personal expression. The location of Mars, the planetary ruler, in house sign and aspects it is making connects to the nature of the work that the Soul will be instinctually drawn toward. There is an evolutionary pressure here that sets in motion a process of continual becoming that is intensified and highly magnified.

The archetype of Aries will energize the courage and the will to be different and to strike out on their own if the culture and environment make it possible to do so, as the fire of their desire is not only a result of this new unfolding cycle surrounding personal adventure,  it is fueled with a special sense of destiny and independence is required in order for this destiny to be actualized.

Being that the Aries archetype needs total freedom, the Soul will be attracted to careers and work function that offer true independence leading to personal self discovery in every moment, in environments where the Soul will feel as if something new could be discovered at any time. It will be essential in order to support their desire nature that the work or career include flexibility with time,  where someone else is not controlling their watch. If possible they would choose a profession that is not a strict nine til five job or where a time clock needs to be punched. If anyone attempts to control their work or their time, this will result in anger. intense frustration and/or depression. This anger will be projected upon anyone who is seen as the source of the stagnation or limitation. Another example of being controlled in any way, with the square to Cancer, could reflect reverting to childlike behavior, pouting as well as visibly stomping their feet and shaking their fists and in extreme cases physical violence could occur.

Aries on the 10th house can become totally consumed in their work to the point of feeling as if they are always working, even during "off hours' because they have a hard time knowing when to stop and knowing how and when to 'turn it off'. Aries in this place can reflect a self-centeredness, in some cases a narcissism, where they feel their career is more important than anyone else's in their life, primary allegiance and identity is with themselves. So in looking at the polarity, Libra 4th house, there is a need to balance home and family life, relationships etc, as well as the needs of others in their world.

The Aries archetype desires to be its own boss and has natural leadership capacity to manage and empower others to join their force or mission and purpose. In many cases this could also equal a self created career, where full independence is allowed and again where they are in charge of their own time as well as in charge of others. Aries on the 10th house cusp will want the freedom to build something from the ground up, a creation of their own making as well as the freedom to change directions at will as new ideas and desires surface, they need full license to do as they want, whenever they want. Even though this signature typically reflects natural courage, drive and confidence, the need for new experiences will create an insecurity as they continually make choices to re-work the inherent structures in place that had offered relative security. This need for constant change can also lead to an identity crisis within their work and/or career when they reach the perceived ceiling of their current reality and feel drawn once again to move in a new direction when anything becomes stale, tired and mundane, Aries on the 10th will be pulled in a direction that offers something new and fresh and full of possibility.

Because of the need to follow the evolutionary pull and to explore new ideas, this can create a life where desires need to act upon as they instinctually occur, at any point in time. The Soul could experience constant changing scenery with respect to careers and job posts as a result, leading to many different jobs or careers within life. This could also connect to making changes within an organization that they are running or changing business ideas throughout life with the progressive exhaustion of acted upon desires as they lose their fire.

Aries by its nature can be very competitive, and as a result, will do whatever necessary to get to the top, even go so far as to step on others if they are in the way (Of course this depends on other factors in the chart as well as the stage of evolution). They need to know there is no limit or ceiling to their growth and life experience and so space and the freedom for upward mobility, room to roam and grow, is essential as they will always be targeting the next goal.

Aries needs change and many with this placement also require physical movement as in a job requiring physical labor, which would include the use of power tools or heavy machinery. I know of someone who works in landscape with this signature, and on rare occasional he is pulled from the field and required to sit for hours at a desk for the day to help with billing. An extended period of time of sedentary activity without physical motion creates a depressing malaise and a heaviness and he has been heard saying on more than one occasion when he is forced to the desk, "someone shoot me"!

They are often highly self motivated Souls, with an immense amount of drive, initiative and ambition, also having the sustained energy and desire to self empower as well as empower others along the way. They are natural leaders who emanate a natural magnetism and can be often seen in positions of authority, such as motivational leaders, bosses, coaches, team captains and high posts in the military, although all military could apply with this signature. I recently watched a true story about Russia's first nuclear ballistic submarine and the captain played by Harrison Ford said, "I am your Captain, without me you are nothing. You are my crew, without you I am nothing", resonating that Aries Mid Heaven and a Libra polarity.

Professional athletes could also apply here, because of their high energy and natural competitiveness and desire to win as well as need for physical motion and movement. This would especially include those who are central in their posts and positions such as Quarterbacks on a football team or Captains of a soccer, basketball or hockey team. Also this would include anything that involves a high degree of speed such as race car driving, downhill skier instructor, skip patrol person involved in emergency rescue would apply here. The Aries signature is also witnessed in the movie "Top Gun", where the Air Force Fighter pilot says as he is taking off, "I feel the need for speed"!

The Evolutionary States will condition the types of work the Soul chooses. Below are some examples of careers reflected with Aries on the Mid Heaven.

Consensus

Considering roughly 75 % of the population is part of this consensus mainstream state, the career posts are many and diverse with the root desire as one progresses through this stage to get ahead of the system and can include some of the following:

Outside Sales or any type of door to door, office to office sales call with countless new environments, people and content. Ex. pharamaceutical sales, chemical sales, where they have the freedom to design their day at will and can pick and choose when to leave the house, where to go and who to call on throughout their day.

Sales managers
Political leaders
Presidents of Organizations
Business Owners
Contractors across the board who use power tools and heavy machinery
Military
Air force Pilot - "˜feel the need for speed'
Surgeon - knife/blood
Fire Fighter
Pro Athlete  where discipline, drive, sustained energy is required
Captain of a Professional Sports team ex. quarterback
Race car driver, mountain climber - high risk and high adventure
Ski Patrol - emergency rescue

Individuated

Roughly 20 percent of the population
At this stage the Soul is starting to think for themselves and are beginning to rebel against the consensus state and not follow the norm, individuation becomes essential for them to feel in balance. They are desiring to liberate from the confines of consensus and become passionate about pursing a path that tells them who they are outside of the walls of the mainstream. They are beginning here to objectify themselves and their desires and to take charge of what they want even if it does not look like what everyone else is doing, "I will think for myself and act for myself."

1st Stage Individuated
Early on in this stage, because of just coming out of the consensus. can lead to being in professions that reflect compensation because of a fear of being judged, but inwardly they are dying to break free and may begin reading books or taking courses that reflect the desired change. The Soul now wants to know who it is outside the restrictions of conditioning and once the courage is accessed to discover this, the work/career will reflect these evolving desires.

One example of a Soul who is well into this stage would be a tattoo artist
(although there are consensus types as well, but most are more alternative and non confirming in nature and work to help others express their individual selves. Many in this profession are social outcasts and can be socially rebellious.)The needle to the skin, to the point of drawing blood is a perfect reflection of the Aries/Capricorn combination.

2nd Stage Individuated equals the archetype of freedom combined with rebellion

Political activist, leading movement of rebellion

Arsonist when anger and resentment flairs to extremes (obviously this is not a career but a symbol for the rebellion towards the system and wanting to burn everything up, Aries), also a terrorist.

3rd Stage Individuated - Individuality now in tact and Souls have a unique gift to help society evolve

Inventor

Genius - "When mediocre minds interface with genius, expect violent opposition (Albert Einstein) Although Einstein has a Pisces MC, he has Saturn in Aries in the 10th, with Mercury, Venus and Pallas Athene also in the 10th in Aries.

Motivational Coach, life coach, empowering others to have the courage to express their own unique individuality
Alternative arts, an astrologer would apply here without a spiritual focus


Spiritual

Roughly 5 percent or less of the population

1st Stage Spiritual

As the focus narrows and the eyes become more targeted on God, the Soul will design their life around work that supports this desire and they will feel called to help others in their own evolution. This stage is about service to others, to God and to the whole. The root desire here is to know God and these Soul are seeking proof that God exists, belief that God exists is not enough. The Soul realizes from an ego point of view just how small it is as this Virgo/Pisces axis is emphasized. This humbling effect shifts the consciousness from the ego to the Soul.

Leading a spiritual or healing center, helping others to seek and find God.
Any person involved in alternative, spiritual arts that is working for themselves, an example here would be an Evolutionary Astrologer

2nd stage spiritual

The Ego can become too involved as some who experience this spiritual infusion can feel they are invincible known as spiritual delusions of grandeur- in the worst of cases they feel they are "the way, the truth, and the light" as in Raj Nish.
The center of gravity can then shift back and forth between the ego and the Soul with the ultimate intention to remove any remaining ego attachments left in the Soul until all the impurities are purged. The Soul will come to experience its own impurities and natural guilt and atonement will follow resulting in a "˜fall from grace.'  

3rd State spiritual

Center of consciousness has permanently shifted from the ego to the Soul. This stage represents the essence of humility and the Soul will feel as if they can never do enough for God in the context of service. Their focus will be to help other Souls align with their natural work function so they in turn can help others and advance in their own evolution and return to Spirit.

Spiritual Leaders and Teachers, including helping others practice karma yoga.

Kriyananda had Venus in the 10th and Mars in Pisces on the M/C started spiritual centers to teach the teachings of SRF.

Although I am uncertain of her birth time, she did have an Aries Moon and Saturn square the nodes.
Daya Mata was the president and sanghamata (mother of the society) of the organization that Paramahansa Yogananda created to disseminate his teachings, Self-Realization Fellowship (SRF).

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Thanks again Rad and group for this learning opportunity..
Peace,
Kristin

Aries MC

"The obstacle is the path" Zen proverb

With Aries on the MC the Soul will orient itself towards all matters regarding its public image in a highly independent and personal way. Aries on the MC will correlate with a Soul, no matter which evolutionary level, which desires to do its own thing relative to work, carreer and professional goals, as the Soul can feel it has a special destiny to fulfill in society, within the limitations of its own evolutionary level. The individual can desire to challenge the society of birth, as it may feel limited or oppressed due to the structural reality of the country the individual lives in. Aries on the MC will correlate to a Soul who is oriented to the outer world of status and work in a very pioneering and trail blazing way. It can correlate to a person that follows no one and who desires to challenge the system itself as he or she feels it is essentially a limiting factor regarding the need for independent action. The Soul will orient itself towards society in a way that may be provocative, as the core desire within this signature is to find a new avenue of social expression. With Aries on the MC the Soul will desire to be a leader, a pioneer, a self made man or woman, a hero of some kind or a fighter of some sort. The Individual would ideally have total freedom to initiate any career path and then leave it to others to complete while he or she turns to other pursuits or challenges. With Aries on the MC there can be a sense of special destiny that the individual expects to accomplish in the current life relative to the society of birth. This means the Soul will need to have a certain degree of freedom in order to be able to initiate new career directions if necessary. If the freedom is not available due to responsibilities the individual will in turn respond with frustration and anger as the society is perceived to be a limiting and dull factor. The MC in the natural Zodiac is square the Ascendent, which naturally correlates with Aries. These two archetypes thus have a natural difficulty in expression when they are combined in this way or in other ways such as with Mars in the tenth house, Mars conjunct Saturn or with Saturn in Aries or in the first house.

The natural square from Aries, the AC to the MC or Capricorn, correlates with the dynamic tension between our own desires and the social structure in which any individual finds him or herself in. Whether in a tribe, a family or society or even totally isolated in nature, there will always be natural boundaries and limitations that we all must respect or else there will be consequences of some kind. The natural square between Aries and Capricorn also remind us that in order to initiate any independent action, Aries, we must also take full responsibility for that which we do, which means we can learn to act maturely and constructively instead of simply acting out of an impulse, and also have a sense of direction, a goal to accomplish or a destination to arrive at, Capricorn. Ideally this goal is more than simply a self serving desire but the motivating factors cannot be known simply by knowing the sign on the MC.

With Aries on the MC the Soul will orient itself towards the society of birth in a way that can be threatening as the Soul itself can feel oppressed by the very structure of the society. For example the Individual may not feel the need to follow certain rules and simply break them as desired, these rules may be extremely important and valid to most but the Aries MC may feel they are beneath him or her. The individual may feel that certain rules are for other less intelligent people and that the social structure simply limits the special social destiny the Soul feels is here to accomplish. This special destiny will vary in size and scope depending on the evolutionary level of the Soul and of course the various other dynamics that can lead up to the Soul desiring to have a special role in the world. Generally with Aries on the MC there can be a difficulty in staying with the project until completion. The specialness the Soul can feel relative to its outer, social self image, can lead to being arrogant in the pursuit of its goals. The individual can be competitive with others and turn everything into a competition, he or she may have a kind of no mercy attitude towards whatever obstacle is in the way of their set goals. The individual will generally want to earn its way to the top thru proving its worth and challenging others but also him or her self.

The outer conditioning of society and the consensual world will be of an Aries type nature in the sense that it is highly patriarchal, competitive, domineering and masculine. The world will reflect these qualities back towards the Soul who has an Aries MC as the social conditioning will primarily reflect the competitiveness intrinsic in the Aries archetype. The Soul will feel that the world operates in this high paced, masculine and assertive way and will either desire to compete with others for the climb to the top or to break free and initiate news way of doing things. Either way the theme of fighting in the world is prevalent and the individual can feel that unless one is in top shape and on top of one´s game that he or she can become outdated and overtaken by someone smarter, faster, better. The Aries energy on the MC can also correlate to a trailblazer that has the "vini vidi vici" attitude as he or she is only in it for the challenge. Once the challenge has been accepted and the individual lives up to it then it´s time for a new challenge or goal, one that can give a sense of excitement to the individual´s special sense of social destiny or special something to accomplish in the world. The desire for ongoing independent discoveries of new avenues of outer, social or professional expression will be a key motivating factor for anyone with an Aries MC. These Souls can bring something new to the world, to their world, as they instinctively feel the urge to be themselves in some social arena.

Thank you Rad and group

All the best

Rad,

I have a question about where Aries is located in the chart relative to Scorpio. Is there a specific EA theme or dynamic just like it is in the case between Pluto and Mars?

Thank you

All the best

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Hi Skywalker,

Aries, Mars, and the Asc all correlate to new dynamics that the Soul intends to manifest or actualize in any given life: a new evolutionary cycle of development. This occurs of course by direction of the Soul that then manifests these new evolutionary dynamics on an instinctual basis: impulses TO DO. So wherever these archetypes are in the birth chart correlate to those new evolutionary dynamics and development.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin and Skywalker..........

I will wait until Cat posts before I comment on what you both, and Linda, have submitted.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and Group,

I realized I wasn't even writing the correct assignment. I was writing Saturn in Aries in the 10th House for some reason. I had some time and inspiration tonight so was able to fix that and write a more complete piece. I deleted the previous version. Here is the re-write:


The 10th house correlates to an individual's inner image of his or her role in life as well as with the sociological role he or she chooses to play. This sociological role is known as one's career in modern western civilization. Today, both men and women in Western society are likely to have one or more careers over the course of their lives. In relation to modern western society, one's career is understood to be his or her occupation, profession, vocation, or line of work. Not everyone has what we have come to understand as a "career."  In the not so distant past, women in western society were expected to stay home and take care of the house and family while the men were expected to pursue some type of work that enabled him to support the family. This work was just that, it was work but not necessarily what we now think of as a profession of career. With these thoughts in mind, it is best to think of the 10th House as correlating to one's sociological role rather than as one's "career," as not everyone chooses to pursue a career, but everyone has a role to play in life.

In terms of the modern day "career", this means having to "pay one's dues" before being promoted into a position of leadership or attaining a position of status and prestige. In relation to the past or more "primitive cultures", it may have meant having to patiently wait for an elder person to pass on before being allowed to play the same role. In any case, no matter what sign is on the 10th House, the individual is determined to succeed and establish their individuality and authority in society through the sociological role they see themselves in.

The 10th House represents where we want to assert our authority as well as how we go about asserting our authority. In order to advance and attain a position of authority all individuals must first learn to accept responsibility for their own actions. An individual with Aries on the MC will go about this in an instinctual and impulsive manner. The individual requires a great deal of freedom and independence in order to experience whatever is necessary for him or her to learn these lessons. For the most part, these learning experiences will come about via the individual's relationships with other people. Through these relationships, the Aries on the MC individual will experience limitations which serve to force him or her to reflect and realize that such limitations are self-created rather than something to be blamed on other people. The ease in which these lessons will be learned is dependent upon the evolutionary stage of the soul.  Until the individual begins to accept responsibility for his or her own actions, he or she will be blocked from advancing in his or her career or fulfilling the sociological role he or she desires to play in society.

In addition to learning to accept responsibility for one's own actions, the 10th House demands that an individual reflect  upon his or her personal judgments and the standards of conduct that these are based upon. The individual must learn to recognize that these judgments are mental and emotional attitudes and responses based upon conditioning patterns and nothing more than that.  The individual with Aries on the MC will learn these lessons through his or her relationships with other people for the most part. It is through these relationships that the individual will eventually come to realize how his or her judgment patterns impact both himself and others and may have a negative or limiting effect on his or her growth. Until these lessons are learned, the individual with Aries on the MC will be prevented from advancing in his or her career as quickly as he or she would like to.

In order to fulfill his or her potential as a leader, it is important that the individual with Aries on the MC learn to listen to others and give according to the needs of the other person. Again, these lessons will be learned through the individual's relationships with other people and will involve lessons in equality in which the individual will have to learn to listen and relate to other people who are both his superiors and subordinates. Although the individual with Aries on the MC wants to be in-charge and resents authority figures, he or she must learn to respect those in authority or he or she is likely to be blocked or otherwise prevented from achieving his or her goals as a consequence of failing to do so. This is where learning to listen and give according to another's needs is so very important. The individual needs to learn to work in partnership with others rather than merely working towards satisfying his or her own self-interests.

The 10th House is where all souls are sensitive to public opinion and have either a conscious or unconscious fear of failure. Although an individual with Aries on the MC pursues his or her career goals in an aggressive and outwardly confident manner, he or she has an innate fear of failure which motivates him or her to work harder and harder. The individual with Aries on the MC wants to be important and wants others to perceive him or her as someone who is very important as he or she was born feeling special in some way. This sense of specialness and importance is usually, but not always, accompanied by a desire for social status and material advantage as well. In any case, the individual with Aries in the 10th House desires to be the best and succeed in everything he or she attempts to do. The individual is therefore very competitive, yet has innate fear or failure and may have an inferiority complex as well.

Although the individual with Aries on the MC may not "get ahead" and advance into a position of leadership and authority as quickly as he or she likes, or thinks they deserve, there is probably no one more determined than he or she to do so. The Aries on the MC individual has a great deal of determination and is willing to work hard in order to fulfill his or her career goals. Once the individual learns the necessary lessons needed in order for him or her to rise to the top, he or she has the potential to become a leader of others no matter what role he or she chooses to play.

cat

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Kristin, and Cat ....

All of you have done wonderful EA work here. When one reads all of what you each wrote, as a whole, a tremendous picture of the whole of Aries on the MC is then illustrated in a way that captures the archetypes in total.

Thank you all for taking the time to do this.

I am thinking now, so let me know what you think about this, is now place Mars through the houses as this would then relate to the Aries MC by way of the sociological role, work, profession, or career. What I would like in this is simply and succinctly to correlate the archetypes of each house as manifesting through the Aries MC. Simple example: Mars in the 3rd could correlate to writing in some way as the work, etc, of choice.

So let me know you thoughts on this.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and Group,

Fine by me. Maybe we could do 3 houses each since we are 4 people so it´s not too repetitive. I can do houses 1-3 if you decide to go that way.

Rad,

The question i had asked was about where Aries is located RELATIVE to where Scorpio is located and if there is a similar dynamic as there is with Pluto = the Soul´s desires and intentions and Mars = the lower octave of Pluto and is the acting out of those intentions.

Thank you

All the best

Hi Rad & Group

Sounds like an ideal next step...I am open to either..splitting them up or doing all 12..

Peace,
Kristin

Hi,

Sounds like a great idea to me. I think we should each do all twelve houses as, unless I am not interpreting this correctly, we are only talking a small paragraph related to each?  I get the point about it being repetitive, but in this case, everyone's answers can later be combined into one (for the purpose of the book) and it won't seem so redundant. This way we are sure to capture the most possibilities.

I I am wrong and are talking about something more extensive in terms of Mars in each house, then maybe it would be better to divide it up. An example of what is expected might help us decide what is best.

cat

Hi Rad,

I agree with Cat, that if the exercise is kept simple and succinct, then I vote for doing Mars in each of the 12 houses.

If more detail is required, then I could do Houses 4, 5 and 6.

I also hope that we can add interest and creativity to our assignments in whatever way we choose, in order to move away from a cookbook approach, and make them not only deep in terms of EA, but also interesting to the reader.

Thanks,

Linda

Quote from: Skywalker on Oct 01, 2014, 10:12 AM
Hi Rad and Group,

Fine by me. Maybe we could do 3 houses each since we are 4 people so it´s not too repetitive. I can do houses 1-3 if you decide to go that way.

Rad,

The question i had asked was about where Aries is located RELATIVE to where Scorpio is located and if there is a similar dynamic as there is with Pluto = the Soul´s desires and intentions and Mars = the lower octave of Pluto and is the acting out of those intentions.

Thank you

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Maybe you can ask this question in another way because I don't seem to be getting what you are asking about.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Skywalker, Cat, Linda, and Kristin...

I would like all of you to do all the houses in this particular segment. What needs to be done is to identify the inherent archetypes in each of the houses, and then generate the types of work, etc, that would correlate with those archetypes. Thus, the EA reasoning is supplied that would hopefully then eliminate any 'cookbook' approach. What kind of creativity do you have in mind Linda ?

So let me know if you are all on board with this.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad & Group,

Yes I am on board!  :)

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

I thought we could use one or two charts of famous people to use as examples in this segment.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Rad,

Sure, i'm on board and never mind the question.

Thank you

All the best

Hi Cat, Linda, Skywalker, and Kristin.........

Ok, then let's proceed with our next step, and if you wish to include example charts please feel free to do so. Let's make this next step due on October 17th: two weeks from now.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Just a quick question about Capricorn/Saturn/10th house, Barbara Hand Clow says Chiron rules crystals but in all sense it seems Capricorn would correlate to crystals since it rules crystalization.

Would it be correct that Chiron correlates with crystal healing and Saturn/Capricorn/10th house to the actual physical crystals?

Thank you

All the best

Quote from: Skywalker on Oct 08, 2014, 09:13 AM
Hi Rad,

Just a quick question about Capricorn/Saturn/10th house, Barbara Hand Clow says Chiron rules crystals but in all sense it seems Capricorn would correlate to crystals since it rules crystalization.

Would it be correct that Chiron correlates with crystal healing and Saturn/Capricorn/10th house to the actual physical crystals?

Thank you

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Yes, crystals as a rock correlate with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House whereas using them to affect healing would be Virgo/6th/ Mercury or alternatively Chiron.

God Bless, Rad

Dear Rad ,

I have not had as much time as I have needed to complete this assignment as the only day I can really work on these posts is Sunday and things have been quite busy. Would it be ok to extend the turn in time to Monday so I can work to finish it this Sunday?

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Kristin,

Yes, that would be fine.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and Group,

Sorry I thought the date to give in the assignment was Monday and not today, I haven´t even started so luckily i checked!

I will do my best to give it in on Monday like Kristin.

All the best

Hi,

Here we go:

The 10th house correlates to an individual's inner image of his or her role in life as well as with the sociological role he or she chooses to play in life. In modern times, this sociological role has come to be referred to as one's career or profession. As we have seen, an  individual with Aries on the MC needs and desires a great deal of freedom and independence in order to actualize and fulfill his or her sociological role and assert his or her authority. This is an individual who feels as though he or she has a very special purpose to fulfill and will attempt to actualize and fulfill this special purpose in a very instinctive and impulsive manner. In the process, he or she will form a diversity of relationships with other people who will help the individual learn what it means to be a leader and to take responsibility for his or her own actions as the individual with Aries on the MC learns through relationships with co-workers who reflect themselves back upon themselves.

Mars by house and sign, as well as the aspects it makes to other points and planets, correlates with the type of career or role the individual will be instinctually drawn towards. When Mars is in Aries or the 1st House the individual will be attracted to some type of work or career that allows him or her to work independent of others. This individual does not like taking orders and prefers to do things his/her own way. The individual dislikes repetition and does best in fields or roles that involve physical activity of some sort. If these needs are not met, the individual is likely to attract bosses and/or co-workers who the individual perceives as being aggressive, argumentative and selfish. When Mars is in Aries or the 1st House is connected to the karmic axis it correlates to the warrior archetype.

When Mars is in Taurus or the 2nd House there is a need or desire for some type of work that is pleasurable and carried out in a comfortable and aesthetically pleasing environment. Relationships with others are very important and play a key role here. If these needs and desires are not met, the individual will perceive his or her bosses and co-workers as self-indulgent, lazy, laid back, or over concerned with security and doing things the easy way.  There is a desire here to do work that provides comfort to others or involves creating beauty and art that is aesthetically pleasing.

When Mars is in Gemini or the 3rd House the individual will be attracted to work or a career that involves using their mind, thinking and communicating. The individual will have a variety of interests and may have more than one career at a time or several different careers over the course of their lives. Unlike the Mars in Aries or the 1st House individual, the individual with Mars in Gemini or the 3rd house does not really care for physical labor. The individual is very flexible and finds it easy to move from one thing to another and requires work that offers variety and involves change.  The Mars in Gemini or the 3rd House individual tends to have an objective and detached mental approach to his or her work and may perceive his or her boss and/or co-workers as being too flighty, talkative, scattered, superficial or gossipy.

When Mars is in Cancer or the 4th House the individual sees his or her work as a source of security and sustenance. This work may involve nurturing and/or protecting people or animals. The individual may choose to work with women, the public or work from home. In addition, the individual may chose to work in the home taking care of his or her family. The individual tends to form close relationships with his or her co-workers. There is a tendency to "mother"others or to be mothered as there is a strong desire for emotional closeness and caring here. The individual may attract bosses and/or co-workers who he or she perceives as too dependent and needy or too intrusive on an emotional and personal level.

When Mars is in Leo or the 5th House the individual requires some kind of significant and meaningful work in which they can shine. The individual has a need and desire to be the center of attention and requires a great deal of recognition and appreciation. There is a desire to perform well and please here as well as a desire to be seen as someone important. The individual needs to express his or her creativity and may choose a career in the arts or entertainment industries. The individual is not afraid to take risks and may become involved in gambling or speculation of some sort. It is also possible that the individual with Mars in Leo or the 5th House may choose to make a career out of having and raising children. No matter what the individual chooses to do, he or she will likely be very proud of his or her work and accomplishments. The Mars in Leo or the 5th House individual feels that he or she is very special and prefers a leadership role over a subsidiary role. There is a need for action and excitement here making it hard for the Mars in Leo or the 5th House individual to settle for an ordinary job or career. The individual may enjoy working with children or any other work that is  fun and allows him or her to be playful. The individual with Mars in Leo or the 5th House may attract bosses and/or co-workers who he or she perceives as self-centered egotists who think the world revolves around them.

When Mars is in Virgo or the 6th House the individual expects work to be hard, requiring a great deal of discipline and dedication. The individual tends to be very conscientious and careful in his or her approach to his or her work. He or she pays attention to details and does his or her best to do a good job. The Mars is in Virgo or the 6th House individual is usually very efficient and productive. He or she has good organizational and analytical skills as well as an eye for detail. The individual may do well in fields involving research, science, medicine, health, nutrition or healing. There is a danger of becoming a workaholic here or attracting bosses and/or co-workers who have very exacting standards or are over critical.

When Mars is in Libra or the 7th House the individual is attracted to "people work" of some kind. The individual's work needs to allow him or her to relate to and interact with other people.  The Mars in Libra or the 7th House individual does not like hard labor and prefers an easy and laid back work environment. The individual may be attracted to some kind of artistic work as well as social work. The Mars in Libra or the 7th House individual may view his or her bosses and/or co-workers as competitive and combative. It is also possible that he or she may attract co-workers who are too easy going and laid back.

When Mars is in Scorpio or the 8th House the individual has an immense capacity for concentration as well as the ability to probe beneath the surface of whatever he or she focuses on. The individual has a natural instinct for dealing with money and may be attracted to any one of the many financial fields especially those which help other people manage their money. The Mars in Scorpio or the 8th House individual is very driven to succeed and will stop at nothing in order to achieve his or her goals. The Mars in Scorpio or the 8th House individual likes to be in control and resents taking orders from others. If the individual does not take control, he or she may perceive his bosses and/or co-workers as being excessively dominating.

With Mars in Sagittarius or the 9th House the individual may be attracted to a career in religion, philosophy, spiritual studies, education or travel. He or she may pursue a career in teaching, publishing or law. There may be a desire to do something to improve the world and make it a better place. The individual may be looking for a sense of ultimate meaning through his or her work or career. He or she may pursue some type of work in which he or she can inspire others and uplift or improve humanity in some manner.

When Mars is in Capricorn or the 10th House the individual has an awareness and ability to understand how society works. The individual has a very practical, sensible and realistic approach towards work and his or her career. The individual needs to take care that he or she does not focus on problems and create mental blocks and limitations for him or her self. The individual's father may have been a major influence in relation to what type of work the individual is interested in and may have been a workaholic. The individual with Mars is in Capricorn or the 10th House is very likely to work his or her way up to the top. He or she has natural executive ability and is very conscientious and responsible. The individual with Mars  in Capricorn or the 10th House usually does more than his or her fair share of the work as he or she is a hardworking and ambitious individual.

When Mars is in Aquarius or the 11th House the individual is likely to have either an unconventional job or career or and unconventional or unique approach to work. The Mars in Aquarius or the 11th House individual is attracted to a job or career that is unusual as this is a way in which he or she can express his or her own uniqueness. The individual with The Mars in Aquarius or the 11th House requires a great deal of freedom in order to his or her work in his or her own way. The individual is bored by routine and requires variety and mental stimulation from his or her work. The individual is creative and inventive and needs to be allowed to channel his or her creativity through his or her work. The individual does best in a job or career in which everyone is considered to be on the same level and no one individual is above another. The individual will not last in a job with too many rules and restrictions. The individual may attract bosses and/or co-workers who he or she perceives as confusing, irresponsible, erratic, unpredictable or upsetting. He or she is also likely to experience sudden change in relation to his or her career. This can include being fired at some point. The purpose of such change is to stimulate the individual when things are becoming too routine.

When Mars is in Pisces or the 12th House the individual may be attracted to the arts, or may choose to become a professional victim. In addition, he or she may be attracted to a career that allows him or her to assist or help others in some way. The individual with Mars is in Pisces or the 12th House has a desire to find the perfect job or career and is likely to experience a great deal of disillusionment while trying to find it as there is no such thing. Those with Mars in Pisces or in the 12th House may be attracted to helping others or becoming a "professional victim." Many of these individuals are attracted to the arts such as music, painting, photography, poetry, singing or design.

Hi Rad and Group,
Here is my Mars..
Peace,
Kristin



Regardless of where Mars lands in the birth chart, as an archetype, Mars represents the lead point in the Soul's evolution. In this case with Aries on the MC and Mars, the ruler representing possible career and work functions. It is important to also note that Mars is driving the entire deal, not just in work but in life. Mars is referred to as the lower octave of Pluto, the Soul. Mars, the ego, takes the unconscious desires that originate from the Soul and acts upon them, making them a living breathing reality. We think because the ego is conscious that these desires are emanating from an egocentric level and that we are in control of them.  But Mars acts out of pure, raw instinct, similar to the wave separating from the sea, there is zero forethought, it just moves

All of us have a myriad of desires that dictate the way we think and the way we act. These desires lead to choices, Mars, that then become actions, which will in turn give us information about the experience we just had. Mars signifies the instinctual urge that we all have to move forward in our life. As Souls we all are in a continual state of becoming, and to become is to act and to move. In the case with Mars in Aries in the first house, this action is rooted in pure instinct and these Souls demand unchecked expression, with the freedom to change their choices and will.

Mars in the 1st

With an Aries M/C and the the ruler Mars being in the first house, there would be an even greater need for freedom and adventure. This would accentuate the entirety of this archetype defined on the mid heaven. A brand new evolutionary chapter with respect to the Soul's work and career function with the need to express whatever desire emanates instinctually from the Soul. The scenery needs to be ever changing with plenty of options for upward movement and a vast array of space for changing expression as it may change on a dime. The Soul would need to experience on ongoing intensity, where a great deal is in motion on a sustained basis and where visible progress is always present. Aries as an archetype tends to only looks forward, not back and so one of the lessons here is to remind them, to also find inspiration and motivation in the distance gained.

Consensus: Fire Starter and Fire Fighter

To defend and protect, to create and to impact
A true fire fighter could apply here but also anyone in the military as well as any career where physical motion or power tools are used. The Soul's energy would feed off action and in some cases emergency situations and would be instinctually courageous and inwardly equipped to respond in these types of situations. As the Soul climbs the corporate ladder, they could be leaders, presidents, CEO's of companies and true entrepeneurs who crave the freedom of being able to blaze new trails.

Careers where physical motion is required, ie military
Construction worker
Athlete
Executive Producer ( May have Mars in Leo and Leo rising)
Captain/Sergeant in Military
Leaders of Organizations or even Countries.
Entrepreneur -changing business

Individuated : Fire Igniter

Adding fuel to the fire, Fanning flames of rebellion
A Soul who begins to challenge consensus thinking early on, initialy this would be only inwardly but gradually they would happily lead any rebellion against the norm.

An owner of any alternative business

Spiritual : Fire Purifer

As the Soul evolves into the Spiritual state, this reflects a time when the Soul is in the process of purging the impurities within the Soul and any residual conditioning that is remaining. Souls at this stage are in a Virgo state of being, humbled by their place on the path and constantly interfacing with all that they are not, also working to be of service in helping others on the path of evolution, extending their hand down the mountain to give others a lift. They often are directors of their own destiny and choose professions with tremendous freedom to manage their time in any way they wish.

Mars in the 2nd

Random action narrows with Mars in the 2nd and survival is their front line, as a result this leads to self interest, for the sake of what the Soul deems to be what they need to survive. Even if this Soul has the bank account to reflect security, there will be a feeling that there is never enough to survive, so they will continue to build that base in case the "˜bottom drops out'. It may have been a Soul who lost everything in another life and had some dyer survival situation, so everything that one builds creates more of a potential buffer. I have had female clients married to very wealthy partner who insist on working, even if it is minor pay, in order to cover themselves, just in case.

There is a need for these Souls to isolate and self-contemplate in order to realize within themselves what it wishes to establish. Action is now internalized and concentrated with an effort to build something solid and secure, whether this is monetarily or physically as with respect to the body or a literal building.

Considering numbers don't lie, they may choose professions where they can count on to securely build a financial base. Mars in the 2nd, often times in this cases also in Taurus, the Soul prefers to work alone, and they need down time, time to isolate and time to ground themselves.

Possible Professions

Consensus - Money Maker, Money Manager

Budget Analyst - Mars Virgo working for government, fiscal service, accounting clerks, payroll
Wall Street Analyst, runner on Wall Street
Construction worker
Landscape Contractor
Landscape Architect
Body Builder
Masseuse/body worker - could show up in any three stages and in all earth houses, depending on the environment
Could also be in military, in defending land.
Leader in Textile industry
Solo musician

Individuated - Money Shaker

An Environmental specialist, someone whose work is to preserve the land and the roads, this could also be consensus
This can equal situations where the Soul would spread the wealth and or help others to become more financially secure as well, perhaps using their knack with numbers or building to support a cause.

A Designer their own label or line of clothing

Spiritual - Material Simplifier

"Less is more", as one progresses through this stage and learns that material things are only added weight for the way ahead and there is a pairing down effect, progressively realizing that the wealth is within. A Soul who needs to freedom of time to simply SIT and BE with God, one who leads a monastic life, a yogi or a monk and later one who leads and teaches the yogi's and the monks the spiritual ways, can see this as the 2nd house is fixed and polarity is Scorpio, leading to a merging with the ONE. This signature could also connect to TANTRA, in the 2nd or the 8th.

Mars in the 3rd

With Mars, the ruler of the M/C in the 3rd house, this would symbolize Souls who need a diversity of experiences to express themselves and one whose profession involves communication and information, speaking, writing, the use of the voice and the hands, they have an instinct with their way with words. They can be highly charged beings who work fast and have an elevated nervous system. At times the only way to for these Souls to feel centered is to be busy, collecting information via books, magazines, newspapers or the Internet. Their chosen careers will have a strong emphasis on the mine and the intellect.

Although I do not have a birth time, Marie Harf has Mars in Gemini. She is the deputy spokesperson for the US Department of State and a former spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency. During the 2012 presidential election, Harf helped craft President Obama's national security and communications strategy, and also served as campaign spokeswoman on national security issues. She has a quick mind and naturally is able to swiftly field questions rifled at her from debaters with conviction and confidence, regardless of their status, position and post.

The 3rd house Mars is wired to write, to speak and to disseminate

Consensus

Writer
Public Speaker
Journalist in the line of fire
Reporter
Photographer

Individuated - Words geared to wake people up

Writer for a liberal blog
Master Communicator, Author

Spiritual

Author of Spiritual teachings and books

Mars in the 4th

Souls born with an Aries midheaven and Mars in the 4th can be driven to empower women or lead women in some way. They may desire to work in fields relating to the home or the womb and may also be inspired to help others gain more inner security either by helping to create a space that nurtures or comforts them or to literally be there to support the transition from the womb to the world as when a child is being born. Many Souls will have Mars in Libra in this case which will help in some way to create more gender balance between the sexes as they strive to support and empower women and the feminine. Souls with Mars in the 4th will have an instinctual empathy for others and can encourage self determination in others. They can help others understand their own blocks and help them blow past them by decreasing their dependencies on others.

One the most well known public figures with Mars in the 4th is famous for the entrance of personal computer people granting people the freedom, Mars, to work from home.
World famous entrepreneur of the personal computer revolution and philanthropist Bill Gates, Co founder and CEO of Microsoft, who also happens to be the richest person in the world since 1995. The ruler of his Aries midheaven is Mars in Libra in the 4th house which is conjunct Mercury, ruler of his 3rd house cusp. The computer revolution, Uranus in Leo trines that midheaven, His business tactics have often been criticized as anti-competitive, Mars in Libra. He and his partner, Libra, are global philanthropists and started the Gates Foundation. They work with partner organizations world wide, Mars in Libra, to tackle critical problems, one of which is in lifting poor people out of hunger and poverty.

Consensus

Leader for women's groups and organizations would span across the stages of evolution depending on the content.
OBGYN
Realtor
Interior Decorator for homes, Mars in Libra in the 4th

Individuated

Mid wife supporting the mother with the transition of the baby from the womb and into the world
Feng Shui Specialist
Director at Planned Parenthood

Spiritual

In advanced stages of the Spiritual State, these Souls anima/animus will be fully balanced and integrated and Souls would desire to help others become more integrated emotionally and thus spiritually

Mars in the 5th

With Mars in the 5th house, the Soul will be born with a special sense of destiny within this social and public purpose and a special mission and creative life purpose to fulfill. They will need maximum freedom and independence to discover their specialness that they feel must to be brought to the world. Similar to a 5th house Pluto, with Mars in the 5th, being that Mars takes the unconscious desires form the Soul and acts upon them, the Soul will want to be the director of their own play, the creator of their own masterpiece and their is an instinctual desire to be recognized as special by the world. As Souls on this journey, we all experience 2 co-equal desires, one is to separate from the Source, that which created us, in order to individuate and express our creative uniqueness, and the other co-equal desire being to return home to the Source. The 5th house Mars will aspire to create the feeling of wholeness in their outer reality yet this longing can only ever be eternally satisfied by returning back to the Source. Every time a goal has been reached or a creative pursuit fulfilled, it will create a sense of oneness, serving as an echo of what it will feel like to merge back to the sea and to the Source, all the time. But no sooner does the Soul feel complete, will it be replaced with an emptiness and a hunger to feel filled up again. One of the karmic and evolutionary problems is that many of these Souls will instinctually feel as if they themselves are the source of their own creations, with the ruler of Leo being the Sun, they will feel they are the center of the universe and as if everything revolves around them. This of course depends on the stage of evolution, but this Soul will repeatedly work to fulfill this feeling of union and connection via creative pursuits that allow the Soul to reach that climax of expression. This is in large part rooted in their desire to attract attention and validation. Herein lies the problem, the fact that this feeling, once reached, cannot be sustained and will quickly be replaced with an gaping inner void, a bottomless pit of want and need and a search for another something that can re-create that feeling and attract attention. Evolutionarily speaking, the Soul is needing to be in charge of their own unique and special life purpose and so they will follow whatever desire is emerging in order to honor that feeling for their own evolution sake. In would not be a surprise that many Soul with Mars in the 5th, would like to be in the limelight or on some version of life's stage, with the red carpet rolled out for them, this does depend on the stage of evolution and other factors in the chart, but the instinct to shine and to be special will be true across the board. Souls with Mars in the 5th are learning to link their special destiny with a socially useful or relative function.

Considering the 5ht house connects with children, professions with Mars in the 5th could include being a director of children's organizations, whether it be principles in a schools (for many Mars will be in Sagittarius here so this could also include teachers for children), leaders in sports such as coaches or art organizations that rear children and help them blossom. Any creative pursuit where the Soul has freedom of movement and expression, such as an artist or a dancer on stage, an actor, a sports star, would all apply. An advanced stage of evolution Soul in the Spiritual state. with Mars in Sagittarius in the 5th, could translate into a famous spiritual teacher, a teacher of natural laws.

A few well known examples here would be actor John Travolta who starred in Saturday Night Fever and Grease which were movies involving dancing and singing, also the Comedy musical Hairspray, a dancing musical where he played an overweight working house wife. But on the other extreme, he was the lead in the violent and somewhat bloody, Mars, movie Pulp Fiction which is a crime thriller, where one of the most famous scenes was him dancing with Uma Thurman. John Travolta has Mars in Sagittarius, which can also connect to comedy, in the 5th house. ruler Jupiter in the Gemini in the 11th, which connects to his need for diversity and in some cases shock value as in his role in Hairspray as well as Pulp Fiction. Mars does square Venus in Pisces in the 8th, Venus is conjunct the SUN in Aquarius which connects to his love and desire to express himself through dance and music as well.

Travolta in Saturday Night Fever
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Travolta in Grease
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Travolta in Comedy Musical Hairspray
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Travolta in Pulp Fiction
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Mars in the 6th

With Virgo following Leo, there must be a "˜fall to the kingdom' and the pyramid becomes inverted. The Soul is at the bottom in order to serve the needs of the whole. Souls with Mars in the 6th have been learning necessary lessons in humility and will experience pervasive doubt in much of their movement and choices as if their first instinct is to question themselves and their abilidty to perform and experience success in their chosen fiels. They will be their own worst enemy and be known to shoot themselves in the foot along the way. Their greatest obstacle will be themselves and they will work until their last breath to improve upon what they do and who they wish to become. Souls with Mars in this position are in a constant state of self analysis. As a result of their own feelings of lack of self worth, they will naturally and instinctually be drawn to serve and help the underdog for they know exactly how the underdog feels. Their personal desires and needs may at times be sacrificed for the tribe, the culture or the greater whole which is a necessary step in their evolution.

Souls with a 6th house Mar can also be perfectionists as well as work-aholics. They will also never feel as if like they are doing enough and will be focusing on what is not finished, not right or flawed in some way. This can at times create a freeze, or a paralysis, and a feeling of overwhelm, which can lead to a procrastination and in some cases a crisis. They need work that has structure and routine and for them to feel in some way as if they are able to control and direct a positive outcome, one with measurable progress.

Because this is the house of health and repairs, Souls with a 6th house Mars are often drawn to the health fields where the Soul is dedicated to areas of serving the sick and the wounded, the aching and the broken, which would include not just people but the animal kingdom as well.

In its highest form, these Souls are the essence of humility and will be of service to anyone who is sincere and who has a legitimate need. By actualizing a proper work function, these Soul can further expand their own personal awareness of their right work and natural role in the world. As one advances and this would especially be true in the 1st stage Spiritual as this is a Virgo reality for Souls, they will come to know how best to serve the Divine, other wise known as their Karma Yoga. By cultivating an awareness of the Divine, these Souls will progressively purge the impurities of the ego in such a way as to at some point allow the universal current to be expressed through them.

Professions that would apply:

Consensus

Home or office Organizers
Surgeon -using the knife, Mars
High Post position in a Hospital or Health System
Physical Therapist, Sports therapist, Sports Medicine doc
Someone who works with animals, such as a Veterinarian who is in business for themselves.
Masseuse - this can span the 3 stages.

3rd Stage Individuated/Early Spiritual
Homeopath/Herbologist

Spiritual

Shaman - Mars in Sagittarius can also end up here depending on the time of birth and combined with Virgo this would apply.
Horse Whisperer
Healer with crystals

Mars in the 7th

Souls with Mars in the 7th are learning objective awareness and how they can bring their own unique individuality into a social context. Considering Mars rules the opposite house, the 1st house, which is naturally Mars ruled, they are learning lessons surrounding giving and equality as well as in listening. The Soul will be instinctually driven to help others, most often in a leadership kind of role, where listening to what the group needs will be paramount in order for a balance to be struck. They will also instinctually know what others need and can serve as ideal bridge between two worlds, the mediator and the diplomats. Through an exposure to a variety of people will come an understanding of the varying value systems and what every person brings to the table. Even though many with Mars in the 7th may find themselves in a leadership role, they are learning how to experience themselves as an equal and uniting one's life with others. In the past, things may have been way out of balance so they are learning to strike that better balance by feeling instinctually drawn to professions and work functions that allow them to work on this evolutionary need.

Consensus

Director of Human Resources
Head Nurse

Individuated

Chiropractor, balance and bones, some will have Capricorn on the cusp, also acupuncturist if Aquarius on cusp and often times you will see will be Souls in the Individuated, 3rd stage alternative fields.

Libra and the 7th house also connects to extremity and to put Mars in the 7th this can symbolize extreme sports. Extreme sports. Danica Patrick has Sun/Moon in Aries oppose Mars in Libra. She is a female race car driver

Spiritual

Leaders of Spiritual Communities
A Soul who is fighting for the rights for people, like Gandhi who had Pluto in the 7th opposing a 1st house Mars, His Venus, a 7th house natural ruler, is also conjunct Mars.
Leaders of Spiritual Communities


These Souls are simply in line to HELP another, in whatever way they feel driven, whether it is in nursing, counseling where listening is required, or to lead a movement of people who are seeking JUSTICE, which can often be seen in the individuated state where Souls are not afraid to stand out, speak up and put themselves on the line for what is right, for change, and for fairness.

Mars in the 8th

The Scorpio archetype can be seen as the "˜surgeon or the priest', for there is no middle ground,  nothing is tackled halfway, it's all the way or not all. Mars in the 8th Soul reflects an intense nature on all levels and they will attract a great depth of life experience, including what they choose to do in their work and career life. The last thing their Soul wants to do is to "˜play it safe'

The Soul is here to push any and all perceived  limits and they are karmically designed to blow pat them. They will be instinctually attracted to people who have the power to help them and will be drawn in their direction with a desire to osmose the power that other Soul's hold into order to evolve themselves and grow beyond their own personal limitations. This may also lead to situations where they are involved in various power plays and ultimately rendered powerless, but chasing power can also lead to greater power and these cycles of power vs powerlessness in their profession is inevitable. Each choices brings them deeper into themselves thereby attracting environments that push their own pre-conceived boundaries. Each desire this Soul has may lead to experiencing a death of the old and a rebirth of the new as they are continually shedding skins and eliminating all the things that do not support their evolution. They would be attracted to careers that are quite karmic in nature and perhaps have people in these environments that have betrayed them in the past and as a result have attracted these fated turns as a result of evolutionary necessity, to confront and to continue.  Although she did not have an Aries Midheaven, Princess Diana did have an 8th house Mars and Pluto and her life reflected this position in spades.
Souls with Mars in the 8th may also use their own power to manipulate and dominate others and will also be given a new opportunity to make new and better choices. These Soul will be repeatedly attract intense environments and situations whereby they are forced to get to the root of anything, where they are peeling back the layers of others, physically, emotionally, psychologically or otherwise, and they won't stop until they get there. The Soul would be natural drawn to work in a field that would facilitate and accelerate metamorphoses, one that would keep them in constant confrontations of their own limits and be driven to lead others into the fire as well. They would be attracted to work functions and professions that help others eliminate all of the barriers(desires) that are preventing a merging with the source. This would occur in the Spiritual Stage of evolution and can be seen in advanced counseling therapies with a spiritual focus.

Also relative to the need for motion and speed connecting with Aries/Mars would be a Soul who would go to the edge and even risk one's life for their sport such as Evil Knieval who had an 8th house Mars.

Consensus

Sports Psychologist
Psychologists, Psychotherapists - various types can be seen in all stages of evolution
Head Honcho in Big Business such as OIL.

Individuated

Jungian Psychologist

Spiritual

Death and dying, running a hospice
Medium
Spiritual Psychic
Kundalini Yoga instructor

Mars in the 9th

The need for freedom within ones career is also paramount here with Mars, a fire planet, in a Sagittarius house. As with all fire houses, and now with a fire planet in a fire house, there will also be an instinctual feeling that they have a special destiny to fulfill and this is directly linked to the individual's relationship to the cosmological, metaphysical, philosophical and religious principles that explain their connection to the universe. The Soul  has a desire to explain one's relationship to larger forces in the universe and in the world, will be interested in expanding their consciousness and philosophical understanding of life and in turn have a desire to spread this wisdom to others. Their own natural pull toward needing to know this understanding will require total freedom to pursue whatever experiences necessary, whether through international travel or  higher education to discover the knowledge that explains these larger forces. The 9th House Mars is learning through a diversity if experiences, the unity of all paths, of all truths, so these teachings can be shared with others. They are learning how to take a diverse number of facts and through their inherent ability to synthesize, they will come to an even greater understanding of the total nature of personal and universal truths. A natural teacher of the universe who is able to do this masterfully in the show the "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey ( an update to Carl Sagan's Cosmos: A Personal Voyage (1980) is Neil deGrasse Tyson, an American astrophysicist and science communicator.  Although I do not have a birth time on him for a Mars house placement, he does have Saturn in Sagittarius, he is built for teaching, a true natural, and he has Mars in Gemini. Saturn in Sagittarius forms a Grand Trine with Uranus in Leo as well as the South Node in Aries so you can see the Sagittarian influence here.

Possible Professions

Consensus

Driven to coach, to teach, to lead.
Coach for a pro sports team..
Teacher
Preacher ( Evangelist Billy Graham has Mars in Sag in the 9th, Aries Rising)
Political figures especially those involving international relations
Athletes where space and motion are integral to their sport such as soccer.
Travel Agency Owner
Comedian - Ellen Degeneres has a(th House Pluto, Mars in Sagittarius forming a new phase conjunction to Saturn in Sagittarius

Individuated

Teachers of the alternative arts realm
Liberal political leaders who are preaching natural teachings, such as a focus to take care of our own, as in the poor. JFK had a stellium of planets in the 9th, including Pluto, South Node, Neptune and Saturn


Spiritual

Teacher of Evolutionary Astrology
Spiritual teachers and teachers of metaphysics
Advanced stage - Jesus had Mars in the 9th ( although it was in Virgo)

Mars in the 10th

As with all cardinal houses, Mars in the 10th represents a condition where an entire chapter with respect to ones' career has come to a close and a brand new beginning is being initiated. This Soul will be learning via various chosen experiences how to build upon and establish their own personal authority within a culture or society. Because of their desire for freedom and upward mobility, a rising up the ranks will be a primary desire, and one where they are willing to put in the time, earning their stripes, similar to someone in the military climbing up the ranks or someone in corporate America climbing up the corporate ladder so they can finally be Captain in charge, numero uno and the one that holds the highest ranking post or position. This may also play out in a way where Souls choose to not join the system at all, as in the individuated state and go to work for themselves, especially in those latter stages. They are learning through direct experience how to link their own philosophy and identity into the framework of a society, a culture or a nation. Their entire identity or ego will be based and dependent upon their public/social purpose, for their identity with their career or social position will be what creates their emotional security base. Mars in the 10th Souls are generally quite self disciplined, self determined and motivated as they repeatedly set goals and raise the bar with each goal they reach. This natural instinct will serve to help motivate others to do the same and as a result they make natural leaders and tend to be able to easily shoulder a great deal of responsibility. Ultimately, they desire control and want to be in charge of the direction of their destiny versus someone else directing things for them and desire social recognition for their spirited pursuits.

Consensus

CEO of a company..
Business Owner
Lawyers
Dentist -Mars -drill to the teeth (the bones connect to Saturn)
Orthopedic Surgeon
Mother Superior
Referee in Sports

Individuated

Tattoo artist - needle to the skin, drawing blood.

Spiritual

Director of spiritual organization

Mars in the 11th

Souls born with Mars in 11th house desire to break free from outmoded or crystallized forms of self definition and self expression. The Soul, regardless of what stage of evolution, are on the path of liberation from the past and wish to leave behind everything that represents their limiting history. They will progressively continue to know who they are independent of cultural conditioning and parental influence and will reject anything that arbitrarily defines them in a way that does not naturally resonate. They will make choices, Mars, that reflect a severing of all attachments that block necessary growth. These Souls have a natural innovative capacity because of their instinct to explore new approaches and do not follow the norm and these innovations can very well be ahead of their time. In extreme cases the Mars in the 11th house will have zero tolerance for anything defined by society and will drop out of the system all together, and attempt to live on the fringes of society, in some cases alone or in other cases where they are seeking people of like mind to connect and collaborate with, those who are as different as they feel to be. An 11th house Mars energizes a life of transformation of oneself and of others. Souls have desired to usher in the new, to shock others into thinking differently and to disregard everything that is no longer working any longer. They can be attracted to paths that are on the
cutting edge of technology, perhaps involved in something revolutionary, a Soul who is driven to mastermind their own inventions, and spearhead alternative paths. These Souls are instinctually driven to personally experience an understanding that their power lies in being different. They can play a variety of socially meaningful roles by accessing their instinctual inventiveness. By learning how to act and implement, they can be become effective leaders and instruments of innovation and creative change.

Consensus

Air Force Pilot
Astronaut
Web site design
Computer Specialists
Technology Expert

Individuated

Philanthropists
Director of a Charity
Democratic/Liberal television spokesperson/journalist
Astro Scientist
Inventor
Genius
Astrologer

Spiritual

A Soul in this stage could come up with a brand new understanding or approach of the Spiritual dimension, an alternative spiritual science, to teach or lead others in their understanding of more of the whole, such as in Evolutionary Astrology.

Mars in the 12th

Souls with Mars in the 12th house are driven to align themselves with some type of transcendental belief system in order to understand the whole of creation and to see and experience their unique selves as an extension of the Source. As an archetype, the 12th house represents the totality of life, so the Soul will feel to be pulling from all other accumulated desires and  pooled into one. They intend to dissolve all barriers that prevent their merging of their individual power into the universal whole, which is why the world of imagination and film can so often be see as an avenue of expression, where no limits exist. Other areas of interest might be in the world of religion or spirituality where the study of timelessness, infinity and the unknown can be pursued. They will feel as if their are standing on the precipice, with the light of the known behind them, the abyss of the unknown in front of them, which can lead to an inner freeze, unable to move in either direction, where Souls commonly find ways to escape through various means to avoid these hard choices. However, with Mars in this position, the evolutionary pull will be instinctual and there may be greater courage to explore the unseen, because it is time. In some cases, these Souls can become powerful icons, negatively speaking or in the most positive sense of the word, depending on how this energy is directed, and have a larger than life aura. Through the power of belief of who they are and what they are driving, they have the ability to captivate the interest, imagination and support of mass consciousness. This can be seen with a political or spiritual leader, or a movie producer tapping into the minds and Souls of their audience via film. Because all Souls with a 12th house Mars are seeking ultimate meaning within the choices they make, their dreams and fantasies are given tremendous power.

Possible Professions

Consensus and Individuated depending on focus

Actor
Movie Producer
Priest
Music Composer
Director of Insane Asylum
Fiction Fantasy Novelist

Spiritual

Spiritual Guide
Healer - altho a healer can be seen in all stages, traditional, alternative medicine or spiritual


Stephen King  has an Aries MC with Mars in Cancer in the 12th trining Jupiter conjunct the South Node in Scorpio. He is a contemporary author of horror, suspense, science fiction, and fantasy, much of his writing has known to produce nightmares for his readers. Many of his books have been adapted into feature films, television movies and comic books.

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Aries MC, Mars thru the Houses

With the Aries MC we described how the individual is initiating a new cycle relative to his or her social role and work dynamics. The individual also carries within a very energetic signature relative to the outer, social dynamics, as the need to initiate a career path requires the energy and freedom to break new ground if necessary. Within this symbol is also a feeling of having something unique to accomplish in the current life, no matter how grandiose or humble in scope, it is special for the individual with an Aries MC.

Further information on the past of the individual can be seen where the South Node of Mars is to indicate the past orientation of the Soul´s instinctual actions, the way the individual pursued his or her desires without much forethought. The position of Pluto and the South Node of the Moon and its ruler will indicate what the desires were on an archetypal level Pluto, and what type of past egocentric structures the Soul generated in order to experience those desires, South Node. The South Node ruler will give additional information about the egocentric structure the Soul created, and how it actualized itself.

The Sign shows the Archetypal qualitiies that the House will be conditioned by.

If Gemini was on the MC instead of Aries and Mercury was located in the Second House, it could correlate to music just as it could with Mars in the Second House and an Aries MC. The main and key differences would be the way that the individual would pursue the music, the way the individual would try to define his place in the world and his or her approach to the chosen profession would be different with Gemini on the MC. With Mars in the Second and an Aries MC, the individual would pursue the music profession in bursts of energy, with passion and until it ran out of fire. The music itself could be intense, driving or very fast and agressive. With Gemini on the MC and Mercury in the Second House, the individual could be interested in various types of music and desire to express those various styles by having various ongoing music projects that could bring income from various avenues, one could be writing a blog about music, another playing in a band and another solo project. The music itself could be more varied and always changing as the individual gathered more knowledge and influences.

Trying to not make this too cookbook like, here are some archetypal dynamics of this planetary configuration and potential work expressions.

When Mars rules the MC and is located in the First House, the Individual has just recently and is presently looking to initiate a new cycle within its social sphere. The first house and Aries both indicate that a new cycle is being initiated so there is a double Mars signature which will correlate with an individual who is very aggressive in one way or another in the pursuit of his or her newly found goals or independence needs. With This signature the individual may be breaking away from past dynamics of a professional or social nature that were some how oppressive or restrictive. In the present incarnation the individual will have an instinctive desire that is intense and passionate to break ground, like a newly sprouted seed so it can follow it´s new professional dream which equates to a new cycle of freedom and expression.

I have an example of a man in his mid thirties who has Pluto in the Fourth House and has deep abandonment issues with his family who set up the environment and dynamics which led to him desiring to break free from his family where he felt very unloved and unwanted. He has an Aries MC and Mars is on the AC. His instinctive way of looking independence and for emotional security is to break free from his family by doing almost any kind of work just to be able to be free from the home dynamics. Dynamics that were unfair and which forced him back upon himself for inner security, Pluto in Libra in the Fourth House. He also has a special sense of destiny in the world in which he desires to be seen and appreciated as special for his performing talents. He works hard at these performing dynamics and pursues them with drive and passion, Mars.
Work wise he doesn´t really stick to jobs easily as with this signature, authority figures also can be a problem as the individual can have repressed anger/rage which then is reflected in the outer environment as oppressive bosses or circumstances which lead the individual to desire to confront those people/circumstances or to initiate some new activity that can promote the ongoing sense of freedom the individual needs.

Some potential work expressions of this combo, besides basically anything that can lead to the individual feeling free in the world, can be anything involving danger, physical intensity and a lot of action. Something like a stunt man, a paramedic that goes to extreme conditions like high in the mountains to rescue people, a fighter or competitive sports practicioner, firefighter, soldier.

Key statement: I work with whatever gives me an ongoing sense of personal freedom and that which allows me to continue my ongoing self discovery.

With Mars in the Second House relative to the Aries MC, the individual will desire to develop his or her own inner resources as a way to make a living and to be professionally active within society, by using those resources or by generating resources such as thru agriculture. These resources can be many things depending on the individual. The individual may be passionate about something it values such as music, collectionable items or a natural resource that equals value and thus survival. The individual can also simply do whatever is necessary to survive and make ends meat or may also continually work on developing new ways of sustaining the self and developing his or her natural talents and inner resources, which can then translate into work in some way or into a self sustaining business.

Key statement: I work with that which I value and love or with what can sustain me.

With Mars in the third House and an Aries MC we have a very dynamic combination in which there is a lot of needed freedom of action and movement in order for the individual to fully express itself in the world. The individual can be extremely curious about the culture and society and wish to participate in society in varying degrees and in various ways, sometimes simultaneously. With Mars in the Third House anything to do with communication and the flow of information or dealing with the public are all potential avenues of professional expression as the Third House Mars needs mental stimulus. Some potential work would be teaching anything, writing, journalism, marketing, languages, bus or taxi driver, tour guide, sales person, maths teacher, accountant.

Key statement; I work with that which stimulates my mind and gives me an ongoing sense of self discovery thru contacts, communication, learning or teaching new things.

With Mars in the Fourth House relative to the Aries MC, the individual may wish to work from home or in some way connected to housing or security. The Mars energy here can also be someone who fights for people or the caretaker, nurse or fireman who desires to nurture and protect others. The idea of nurturing and protection is key in the Fourth House. Some may decide to be a house mom or house dad and take care of the family while the other goes out and works. Cooking may also be another potential for professional expression and dealing with properties and real estate may be another. Baby sittier, vet along with Leo, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces, policeman, interior decorator.

Key statement: I work with what can nurture and protect myself and others.


With Mars in the Fifth House relative to the MC and work dynamics the individual will have a double fire signature, correlating with an intense desire for self actualization in the professional world, thru personal creative actualization or the actualization of others as a vicarious extension of the self, such as in a sports coach or team leader, who sees the kids or team as an extension of him or herself.
Creativity in all its forms is a possibility with this placement, from stand up comedy to acting, competitive sports or show business of any kind. Working with children is another potential avenue of expression, anything fun and games and gambling or risk taking in various forms, such as in being a stunt man or professional poker player. Events management and events production.

Key statement: I am my work as it is a full expression of myself.


With Mars in the Sixth House relative to the Aries MC the individual will instinctively desire to improve him or herself, the world at large and the lives of people in general in various ways. Depending of course on personal history and will, evolutionary level and circumstantial reality, the individual can desire to work in a variety of different areas but one predominant one is the area of health and service. The service work force is huge in todays world and there are different types of so called small jobs but that require skill and dedication and are as important as the "bigger" jobs. With the Sixth House Mars the Soul will desire to be of service in some way as reflected in who the individual actually is and, in ways  that the individual will also be able to continually improve his or her life and own self while he or she also serves others in a way that benefits them.

Many actors have Mars in the Sixth House as acting requires developing skills and at times an intense degree of devotion and dedication.

Working to improve the environment and the quality of living in general is also another potential expression, from sweeping the streets to working in an NGO in order to improve living conditions or the environment.

Any job that requires perfecting something thru diligence and of course the healing professions of various types, from the traditional medical establishment like in nursing to the more natural or holistic healing methods such as homeopathy, crystal therapy or nutrition no name a few.

In the service area the individual can also own or work in a business that does handy jobs such as in a plumbing company, laundry service or any other service related business. Depending on other factors, human resources within a company can also be a possibility. The potentials for the Sixth House Mars are quite numerous relative to work as long as the Soul can feel that it is expressing itself in a way  that is of service to others or is perfecting the self in some way.
Also an instructor of Yoga or Martial arts as the individual follows a path of devotion to one of these modalities and helps others to benefit from the knowledge within these or similar practices.

Key statement: I work to improve my life, the life of others and the world at large.

Mars in the Seventh House relative to the MC in Aries and work functions can correlate to a people´s person who desires to work with others in various ways and has skills in dealing with people in general. A diplomat or public relations or lawyer are possible professions for a Mars in Libra or in the Seventh House. Anything that has to do with dealing with various types of people and balancing their various needs is a potential professional expression. A mediator between people, conflict management.
Anything artistic in which the sense of symmetry, beauty and grace is important such as in an art gallery, fashion show or commerce connected to clothing and style, hairdresser, decorator.

Key statement I work and pursue with that which I find attractive and that which connects me to others gracefully.


Mars in the Eighth House relative to the Aries MC can be a real powerhouse who desires to have power within  society. It can correlate with professions that go deep into the human psyche in various ways. Can correlate with psychology, astrology, medicine, surgeons, shamanistic rituals, death as a business, sex as a business, economics, finance, banking, spying, detective work, garbage men, military career, martial artist. It can correlate with an individual which desires to associate with the rich or marry into money and power. Someone who is adept at handling resources of others or combined resources.

Key statement: I work in order to be self sustained by my own will and have the power to live whatever I desire in order to evolve.

Mars in the Ninth relative to the Aries MC can correlate to someone who desires and needs quite a bit of freedom to explore their professional potential, depending of course on life circumstances, evolutionary level, karmic necessity and so on, the individual may be someone who is very good at selling ideas or physical objects/goods to people, as long as he or she believes in the ideas or goods. The Ninth House is also a fire archetype and as such can correlate to a passionate drive to share with others that which the individual believes in and which is part of his or her core belief system. That which he or she believes in can be seen as something positive which in turn can lead to the person pursuing it with passion. Exploring new ground in any body of knowledge such as in an academic or a traveller who searches for new and exotic places in order to learn from various cultures or which works in the travel industry, a teacher who wishes to share his or her knowledge or someone who works with nature or animals such as in a natural park, zoo or be or to study the natural world, space, religions, philosophies or metaphysics and then become a vehicle to teach others. Sports are also another potential and for people that get a job just because they have to might want a job outdoors where then can have a sense of freedom and be connected to nature in some way or be on the move and not tied down to an office. Law and ethics can also be of interest to the individual with this placement.

Key statement: I work in order to be free to explore.


Mars in the Tenth House relative to the Aries MC can indicate a very strong drive for success and status in the world in some way or form. It can correlate with a very strong desire to climb to the top by ones own means and effort therefore it can correlate with a self made man or woman who can start something totally new from scratch and turn into an empire if there is sustained effort and a continual sense of forward movement. Another possibility could be anything connected with administration and leadership, decision making position within a company political party or organization. It can correlate with a person wanting his or her own business or someone who tries many differnent jobs, to a military career or a career in the government in general or in anything that can lead to a sense of progress in the structure of the company or organization which then can lead to a sense of status within society. A sense of independence can be very important therefore the soul can desire to do anything of its own in which the person is his or her own boss, specially if in Aries. Can also correlate with building anything or with architecture.

Key statement: I work to honor my duties and responsibilites, to build something that will last.

Mars in the Eleventh House relative to the Aries MC can correlate to an activist, someone who has an internet based income, someone who works with computers, technology, software applications. Mars in this position can be a champion for social innovation and progress or human rights. A position in an NGO or in the UN could be potential avenues of professional activity. On a more mundane level someone working with electronics or electricity, radio and T.V. programming or service, social planning, inventions and innovations, working with groups of people in various ways such as in a public speaker or someone who gives workshops on alternative subjects or on unique ways of doing things, scientist, astrologer, tarot reader, blogger, anything humanitarian. New age channeler :)

Key statement: I work for humanity, which I am a unique part of.

Mars in the Twelfth House relative to the Aries MC can correlate to someone who has a natural instinctive tendency to want to save others or animals as a form of work. The theme of sacrifice for others can be a real possibility and lead the person to do virtually anything as long as others truly benefit. It can correlate with someone who can work at sea in some way, as a counsellor, as a fisherman, the person may have natural psychic abilites and use them to help others in various ways. The person can be inspirational for others in and be known by the collective as a public figure, an artist such as musician, painter, photographer, film maker, pharmaceutical worker, drug designer, a doctor or healer of some kind. Charity work, working with nature or outdoors as in a gardener.

Key statement: I work to inspire, heal and save others.

Thanks Rad and Group

All the best

Each Soul has a true life purpose expressed as work or career that plays out relative to its ongoing evolutionary needs. Social functions are expressed differently according to the levels of evolution.

"¢  Consensus Souls will desire to conform to traditional social functions that are conditioned by family and society.
"¢  Individuated Souls will desire to de-condition from limited social roles by way of independence, investigation, individuation and an expansion of personal awareness.
"¢  Spiritual Souls will desire to consciously cooperate with the inner promptings coming from Source, and to work in areas such as teaching and healing.

In terms of the social purpose of Aries on the MC, the desire nature or expression of will is generally expressed through qualities of pioneering, discovery, freedom, independence, physical stamina, leadership, working alone, initiative, narcissism, intolerance, and courage. These Aries qualities on the MC are fused with Capricornian qualities of discipline, persistence, practicality, cautiousness, conformity, maturity, tradition, responsibility, and commitment. Together the complimentary energies of Aries plus the MC manifest as launching anything new then sustaining it, and in turn, the building of long-term structures that are useful to society being sustained by newness, initiative, energy, and creativity.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 1st house
The need to accomplish a goal in society is a direct reflection of the Soul's sense of special destiny. It will be imperative that the Soul has the freedom and independence to be able to instinctively follow and act upon any impulse that will lead to satisfying its intensely urgent cravings for personal achievement and self-discovery in the social sphere. Desiring to be self-regulated, autonomous, and set its own routine, the Soul will build a sense of personal authority and expertise. Mars in the 1st can be highly competitive, self-assertive, impatient, and wish to "do my own thing." The Soul will sometimes be conflicted between wanting to fulfill its own personal desires and having to take into account what could be best for others. While the Soul will feel highly motivated to achieve a purpose in society, it can at the same time experience an identity crisis. Anger, frustration and confrontations with others will lead to lessons in equality, listening, and giving consideration to others. Ambition is strong in the cardinal signs and houses. Mars in the 1st house initiates many actions, but the fire may burn out fast.
Keywords:  adventure, zeal, impulsiveness, originality, independence, energetic, conquest, radiance, self-centred, self-directed, strong, courageous, pioneering.
Occupations:  leading causes/campaigns, athlete, salesperson, ideas man/woman, military.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 2nd house
To achieve success in the chosen career, the Soul will have an evolutionary need (closely linked to the biological instinct for survival) to be self-reliant and self-sufficient. There can be an attraction to the financial world, money and wealth in order to maintain a sensual and pleasurable lifestyle. The Soul will wish to build a protective well around itself in order to withdraw, develop its value systems, use its personal talents and resources, and maintain a sense of control in its life. Being overly isolated will lead to confrontations that reveal the limits in the Soul's value systems. Confronting personal limitations will allow the Soul to open up to others and transform its performance in the world. No matter if the Soul is rich or poor, it will be tested to uphold non-devious means to make money in an honest fashion. Work may be associated with the Earth in some way, eg gardening. Mars in the 2nd house is a fixed fire energy, which keeps the fire going in a steady fashion.
Keywords:  determination, materialistic, extreme fixity, obstinacy, sustaining, resisting change.
Occupations: finance, banks, jewelry, investments, gardening, food, decorating.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 3rd house
The Soul will capitalize upon the structures of communication - writing, speaking, learning, teaching - thoughts, ideas and opinions in order to further its career goals. Creative ideas and thinking patterns are closely linked to the instinctive desire nature. There can be a great deal of professional traveling. It can be difficult to overcome early parental imprints that had conditioned the Soul's thinking patterns and mental outlook. There will be a need to develop maturity and discipline to tame the scattered mental energies. This can be the salesperson who can "sell ice to an Eskimo." There is a tendency to move from job to job. The constant collection of information, facts and data will form a significant part of career dynamics, with incoming information reshaping the mental framework and also the structures of the career. All the Mercurial pieces of information will go into forming larger and cohesive structures. The Soul may experience an intellectual crisis, sense of disorientation, or loss of emotional security when new information undermines the old. In this way, there is a process of constant re-building. The evolutionary intention is to learn the deeper meaning behind the information collected by developing the intuitive faculties. Mars in the 3rd house has a tendency to jump from one idea to the next.
Keywords: absorb knowledge, deductive logic, reason, busybody, adaptable, ingenious, instability, easily bored.
Occupations: books, computers, messenger, traveler, post office, journalist, salesperson, advertising, writing, speaking, newsagent.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 4th house
This placement can mean that career activities are connected to one's home, eg self-employment, home office, family business, homemaker, etc. An emotional imprint in the early life could have had the Soul identifying itself as a separate being, thus the inner sense of self-image or ego can feel no connection to others. Hiding a deep vulnerability by assuming a masculine denial of emotions, the response to any crisis can be to "take action" or to fight back. With the emotions thus squashed, the Soul may feel inadequate and defensively become aggressive or lose its temper often. The evolutionary lesson is to find security within oneself, and not in anything external, by learning to accept responsibility for its actions, quit blaming parental figures, and integrate the personality into the work arena in a mature way. All the energies in this configuration are cardinal in nature which means an instinctual need to initiate change, thus the security associated with the 4th house will be frustrated and result in new realities being born. Ambition is important in this cardinal house. The Soul will become emotionally involved with a variety of people.
Keywords:  moody, protection, security, empathy, tenacity, defensiveness, caring, creative.
Occupations:  social worker, cook, homemaker, baker, psychic, shelter.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 5th house
The Soul's creative self-expression will be orientated toward a social purpose that is based on being noticed, highly visible, and receiving recognition. The need for power and recognition can be satisfied by way of performance on a larger stage with an audience. The triple dose of fire energy will heighten a sense of special destiny and allow the Soul to take charge and shape its destiny according to the will. The career will be based directly upon creative and artistic urges. If the Soul does not get the recognition that it feels it deserves, emotional problems may ensue. In extreme cases, this can be a God-complex, where the Soul feels that everything should revolve around itself. With a highly charged sexuality, there could be an inclination to create love affairs in the workplace whereby it can receive the love it so desperately needs. Forcing its purpose onto others, the Soul can control the lives of others. The evolutionary intention is to understand why it manipulate others. There is a need to develop an objective focus and to link its special destiny to a social purpose that is important and relevant to societal needs, not just individual needs. This position allows the inspiration and spirit to remain strong in the work area.
Keywords: nobility, ability to sway others, fixity of purpose, finishing what is started, inspiration, confidence, illumination, ruler.
Occupations:  entertainment, leader, creative self-expression, work with children, comedian.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 6th house
The orientation to professional goals will consist of being of service to others which can be fueled by a sense of personal inadequacy, guilt, and self-doubt - and/or discipline, self-improvement and a desire to heal others. There will be a strong desire to create structures that have a practical and useful application for the community. The 6th and 10th houses share a natural earth affinity for stability and dependability. The Soul is able to synthesize its various tools and techniques into a professional focus. The work ethic can be based on an underlying victimization, the psychology of masochism, with the Soul working like a servant or slave. On the other extreme, sadism can mean overly punishing and cruel expectations for self and others in the workplace, and working others to the bone like a slave driver. Constant busyness and workaholic tendencies can lead to personal health issues. There will be an abundant amount of energy to expend. The Soul's x-ray vision will enable it to point out many flaws within the organizational structure of any business or institution. However, thinking it knows more than anyone else, the suggestions for changes and improvements may not be readily embraced by others as they may threaten the existing structures. Possessing humility and a desire to be of service will see the Soul working tirelessly and very hard. The evolutionary intention concerning any crisis in the workplace will lead to analysis and reflection that will then lead to making the necessary adjustments to one's own performance or to the organizational structure. The evolutionary intention of fostering self-forgiveness and Divinity will lead to carrying out a true purpose rather than menial work. Mars in the 6th house is an energy of grooming, priming, organizing and preparing the soil for planting with many ideas.
Keywords:  deductive logic, self-sacrifice, reformation, worry, negative thinking, skeptical, analytical.
Occupations: librarian, herbalist, chemist, nurse, detail-oriented work, veterinarian, health, animals.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 7th house
The partner could figure prominently in the Soul's career or social standing. There will be a great deal of social awareness and the comparison of oneself with others. There could be a desire towards a career that involves social grace and beauty. This placement is a paradoxical signature, a conflict between a primary desire for total freedom and independence, with a desire for partnership. The Soul will live through others, give too much, and be highly attuned to other people's needs. Frustration of not receiving enough in return can lead to anger, hostilities, arguments, and emotional meltdowns. The duality of feminine and masculine, anima and animus, will be internalized as a conflict. These extremes can transfer to the career by way of dominance/submission dynamics. Creating harmony and balance will impact upon the success or failure of career objectives. The psychology of listening will be important so as to gauge what employers or customers really require. This placement is cardinal in nature, thus there will be major shifts and turning points in the Soul's career path, and learning how to conduct professional relationships in a new way. With Mars in the 7th there is a lot of thinking and planning of ideas.
Keywords:  equality, mediation, balance, agreement, cooperation, sociable.
Occupations: the arts, social affairs, partnerships, counselor, beauty, fashion.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 8th house
Mars being the lower octave of Pluto enables the desires emanating from the Soul to become conscious and instinctively acted upon. How these desires will be acted upon will be played out in the areas of the 8th, 10th, and 1st houses. The Soul will transform its limitations by forming relationships to symbols and sources of power in the area of career that symbolize what it needs to evolve beyond those limitations. The Soul absorbs the power of whatever symbol into itself, eg money, status, knowledge, expertise, thus becoming more than what it was before. Possessing a natural ability for psychological investigations and a well-developed awareness of its own and others' motivations, intentions and desires, the Soul's choice of career can be anything that involves digging below the surface or finding the core issue. There is a natural capacity to deal with the financial capital of others. Acting on instinct will allow for quick, calculating and astute business decisions. With this placement, there is a possibility of manipulating and controlling others in the workplace due to a fear of having one's authority undermined. There can be a defensiveness and suspicion of others since the Soul has suffered betrayals in past lives. Because the Soul has been karmically linked to its workmates in past lives, one of its lessons will be to withdraw and find the core of who it is, rather than what it has osmosed from others. The Soul's powerful ability for metamorphosis, transformation and regeneration allows for a quick recovery after an experience of failure. Mars in the 8th develops intense instinctual and emotional involvements with a select group of people.
Keywords:  revelation, magnetism, catharsis, hidden power, elimination, vindictive, manipulation, secrets.
Occupations: detective, research, psychologist, espionage, laboratories, transformational healer, scientist.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 9th house
The Soul's profession may include teaching, philosophy, travel, education, other cultures or anything involved with Natural Law. The Soul could be a natural-born teacher with a desire to imprint its world view or beliefs through the career. The Soul's need for freedom and explorational urges will be important in terms of its occupation. The 9th house is an archetype of expansion, therefore whatever field is chosen will need to allow for right-brain, intuitive, conceptual or abstract thoughts or principles to progressively expand into universal truth. A method of expansion for the Soul's higher mind may be to travel to new countries and experience new cultures. The 10th house symbolizes how the Soul's beliefs will become crystallized or given a structure through which to operate. In the Spiritual evolutionary state, it may be difficult for the Soul to operate in a world of man-made laws (10th) where Natural Laws are constantly violated. The Soul's core beliefs, interpretation of life, and especially its evolutionary state, will crystallize into corresponding social constructs of ethics, standards and rules. Distortion of beliefs will be reflected as distortions of Natural Law.
Keywords: intuition, exploration, propaganda, joviality, honesty, understanding, fanaticism, reckless.
Occupations:  foreign affairs, philosophy, religion, law, education, judge, gambling, travel, publishing, teaching.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 10th house
The double signature of the Mars/Aries archetype in the 10th house will show a career path of self-employment or a position of leadership. The Soul will generally be able to understand and abide by the laws, customs, rules and taboos of society. The family could figure prominently in the Soul's career. It will be important that the Soul be able to establish its authority within society. It understands how society functions, and therefore it can either manipulate the system or adhere to a high standard of conduct. The Soul will be born into a county that best reflects its evolutionary lessons. There can be a strong desire for positions of power or status. Coming from positions in past lives, the Soul will understand how social systems work. If the Soul has manipulated the system or abused its power in past lives or in the current life, a fall from grace will teach the necessary lessons. Guilt can very often have past life origins, and the Soul could very well create blocking conditions for itself in the social sphere. This situation can lead to depression and a sense of futility. With this position the identity can be too bound up with the social role. Shocks delivered in the workplace will lead to creating inner security not tied to social position. This position denotes a pioneer with a strong will to succeed, and abundance of energy that is available to bring ambitions to fruition.
Keywords:  self-mastery, organization, ambition, duty, driven, hard-working, dictatorial, responsibility, coldness, efficiency.
Occupations: military, political affairs, government, authority, real estate, architect, entrepreneur, senior citizens, family business.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 11th house
With Mars in the 11th house the career will be connected to group dynamics and collective interests. The Soul's career may depend upon the support of others in the group, therefore the ability to get on with others, be a good friend, and harmonious group alliances will be paramount to success. On the other hand, the Soul could be a group of one, and work alone due to feeling very different to others. Business ideas that reflect individual or group aspirations will usually be ahead of their time. They will be sustained and carried to completion due to the fixed nature of the 11th house. The Soul will be moving away from the mainstream and de-conditioning from the consensus. Social, group and collective ideals, depending upon the state of evolution, can be expressed anywhere from group movements, revolutions, humanitarian causes, to anarchy, rebellion, and bringing down the system. The Soul may fear change and being different. The natural understanding of group dynamics can lead to becoming a visionary towards social progress.
Keywords:  originality, experimentation, broadminded, rebellious, bizarre, anarchistic, genius, future-oriented.
Occupations:  astrology, electricity, invention, humanitarian, unions, technology, science, revolutions, movements.

Aries MC ruled by Mars in the 12th house
In the area of career, the Soul will be dealing with various Neptunian archetypes in order to re-align with actual reality. Some of these are: projecting a sense of ultimate meaning upon anything that is temporal in nature, and that is not based on realizing a relationship to the Divine; deceiving oneself or others; feeling victimized and creating rationalizations to victimize others; inflating the egocentric structure to the point of a "˜god complex;' and experiencing the instability of consciousness. On the positive side, the Soul can follow impulses, thoughts and desires coming from Source that can naturally "˜spiritualize' the life. These impulses may lead to altruistic, philanthropic, spiritual healing or teaching work. Due to a natural hypersensitivity, the Soul will prefer to work in a career that is not highly visible. Some career goals may be unattainable, while others can magically manifest success. The Soul's life work can impact the Collective Conscious in order to evolve the bigger picture of the Collective Unconsciousness.
Keywords:  idealism, compassion, devotion, imagination, mystical feelings, impressionable, deception, hypersensitivity, drugs, escape.
Occupations: institutions, hospitals, films, musician, artist, poet, nurse, psychiatrist, social worker, arts, spirituality, mysticism, occult work, God's work.


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Thanks so much Rad and fellow EA'ers.

Hi Cat, Kristin, Skywalker, and Kristin...

Thanks to you all for taking the time you have to work on this segment. I will get back with you in the next couple of days where I will review your work.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin, Skywalker, Cat, and Linda...

Some medical issues have come up for me which mean I will need to tend to those. So right now not sure how long that will be taking. I will not be able to tend to the mb as the moderator until resolved. I did read through all of your work. For Linda, Skywalker, and Kristin our work, once again, is excellent EA work, and I thank you for taking the time that you have to work on this. Cat I know you can do superior EA work as well because of our interactions in other threads.

God Bless to you, and Godspeed, Rad

Hi Rad,

Hoping all goes well for you and you have a speedy recovery. Rest up and take good care of yourself.

cat

Dear Rad,

I'm sorry about your medical issues.
I wish you speedy relief.
Sending lots of Love and healing vibes.

Love,

Linda

Hi,

If there enough interested individuals to continue on with this Saturn thread please let me know. This thread requires those that desire to contribute to it, as was underway before the medical issues for me happened, for it to continue on. So if you have a desire to do so please let me know.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Count me in! I may need to go a little slow at some times in the near future as many things are coming up that will require my time and energy. I will let you know about those times in advance or as they arise.

Thank you

Hi Rad,
Thanks for your warm welcome. I am very interested in the Saturn thread, but still learning. I have to say that my skills level is probably not as advanced as the previous participants on this thread. If this should slow down the group, I would happily stay in the background.  
Gypsie

Hi Rad,
Yes I would be interested in resuming as well if we can get enough active participants, but could not start for a few weeks as I need to tend to an astro project that was initiated over the holidays.
Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

I'd like to resume this project.

Like Kristin, later rather than earlier would be better.

Thank you,

Linda

Hi Rad,

I had to think about this for a few days as I did not really feel a desire for more Saturn but there is a synchronistic element at play here. It's my intention to continue on as long as time permits.

cat

Hi Skywalker, Linda, Cat, Kristin and Gypsie

Ok, we will resume the Saturn thread once Linda and Kristin have the time to do so. So Linda and Kristin please let me know when you are both ready. And, Gypsie, I would encourage to try to participate because the value is always in the effort.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
The soonest I would be able to spend time working on a post would be Sunday, Jan 18. However, if it works for Linda, you can post the assignment prior to then and I will let it simmer until I can get to work on it.
Thanks so much..
Kristin

That sounds good to me, Kristin and Rad.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Rad,
Thanks for your encouragement. I will gladly participate and try my best.
Gypsie.

Hi Linda, Cat, Kristin, Skywalker, and Gypsie

Ok, let's begin again in our Saturn thread. I guess I would like to know from you all what you would like to focus on to do so. We had been discussing having Aries on the M.C. with it's planetary ruler exampled through the houses. For sure this was very time consuming for you all to do. My thought now is to try to simplify this so that it is not so time consuming for all of you. So just now let me know you thoughts on how you would like to proceed.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Personally, I liked the way we approached Neptune. You would write a bit about one aspect of the archetype and then we would choose a chart and interpret it from that point of view. 

cat

Hi Rad,

Like Cat, I also liked the Neptune format in which the various archetypal dynamics were studied deeply. We can also go into the current transit of Pluto in Capricorn and how the nature of reality on the planet itself is being metamorphosed and what it means on an evolutionary level, personally and for the collective. We can touch upon Pluto going over its own S.Node and the Cancer polarity point too.

I will see if anything else comes to mind.

All the best

Hi Rad,

I agree with Cat too, it keeps things more structured and concrete in focus..how's that for Saturn?
So we are not spinning off in so many potential directions as every archetype is so vast.

If there is a way for one assignment to build upon the other, I like that approach..like how JWG used to teach.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad and group,


Same as above from Cat, Skywalker and Kristin.  I thought I'd go through the thread to see what we've done so far:


Covered by Rad so far:

-  Saturn core archetype and correlations (gravity, structural nature of consciousness, laws, customs, norms and taboos, conformity, judgments, societal/cultural conditioning, time, natural aging, reflection, gender assignment, suppression, patriarchy, artificial conditioning -v- natural laws, self-determination, self-responsibility).

-  Anatomical, physiological, and chakra system correlations with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th house.

-  The Earth trinity:  Capricorn, Taurus, Virgo.

-  Retrograde Saturn.

-  Work function (karma yoga) involving the natural Earth trinity.


Assignments done by the group:

-  Saturn in the signs:  Saturn in Leo.

-  Aries on the 10th house cusp.

-  Aries MC exampled through the houses.


A few other ideas:

-  Saturn in the houses [choice of one each].

-  Key planetary pairs, eg Saturn/Jupiter cycle; Saturn/Uranus cycle [choice of one each].

-  Aspects:  How Saturn conditions other planets.

-  Synthesizing the Earth archetype in terms of the evolutionary/karmic axis.

-  Planetary Nodes:  South Node of Saturn - current life Saturn - North Node of Saturn.

-  Pluto's transit through Capricorn (individual, country, world).

-  Transiting Saturn (individual and event charts).

-  The Saturn generations.

-  The 1st and 2nd Saturn Returns.

-  Saturn archetype in the charts of famous people.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda, Cat, Kristin, Skywalker, and Gypsie

Thank you all for your suggestions/ responses to how you would like to proceed with our Saturn thread. I would like to cover everything that you have all suggested. What I propose that we do to start with is to example Saturn through each house wherein the focus would be the structural nature of the consciousness as defined by the archetypes of the houses/ signs themselves.

We could start with a comprehensive examination of all the archetypes within the structural nature of Saturn's consciousness in each sign/ house. From there we could then examine how these archetypes would then manifest through the natural evolutionary states.

From there we could then link Saturn's to it's Nodal Axis to demonstrate the evolving nature of the structures dynamics within the consciousness of Saturn.

After that we would then move on to the other topics that you have all suggested.

What I would propose at first, given time sensibilities, is to start with each of you writing about Saturn in the 1st House or Aries. After that we could then move on to adding to that by way of exampling how this would manifest relative to the evolutionary states. In other words, step by step so that no one step would take up to much of your time: Saturn.

We would then continue on with each house/ sign in this way.

So let me know your thoughts / feelings about this as way to begin again.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
This process sounds just right..one assignment building upon the next..in ways that feel manageable time wise..it feels like the best next place to start in order to work toward discussing the total teachings of Saturn over time, step by step, brick by brick.
Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

The structure you have suggested
sounds good to me.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Rad,
Working on Saturn around the zodiac in connection with evolutionary stages is great as I look forward to truly grasping and deepening my understanding of the function of the structure of consciousness relative to Pluto's evolutionary intentions, as well as why Soul chose that specific Saturn placement.
I would be also interested, when time is appropriate, in understanding and practicing Saturn 10H Cap and the natural trinity to Virgo/6H and Venus/2H, and as you stated in this thread "how the 12th House, Pisces, and Neptune, given it's natural polarity to the 6th, Virgo, and Mercury, and the higher octave ruler of Venus, the natural ruler of the 2nd and Taurus, Neptune correlates to a higher work purpose that can be called Karma Yoga: doing the work of the Source in the context or agency of the work itself".
Thanks for the opportunity to be part of this learning experience.
Gypsie

Hi Rad,

Sounds good.

Thanks for the opportunity!

All the best

Hi Rad,

Yes, this sounds like a good format.

QuoteWe could start with a comprehensive examination of all the archetypes within the structural nature of Saturn's consciousness in each sign/ house.

I'm not sure I really have the time to be doing anything comprehensive right now, so I may or may not be able to contribute at this time.


cat

Hi Linda, Gypsie, Skywalker, Kristin and Cat

Ok, we will begin tomorrow: Tuesday. Right  now I would like you to reflect and think about the all the archetypes of Saturn that were discussed at the beginning of this thread and how all of them would then 'condition' the archetypes of Aries in such a way that that conditioning of the Aries archetype would then correlate to the structural nature of consciousness when Saturn is in Aries.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda, Gypsie, Skywalker, Kristin and Cat

Ok, so let's begin our journey of Saturn's placement through the signs relative to how it creates the structural nature of the Soul's subjective consciousness in whatever sign that it is in.

What we need to do is to first remember the core archetypes of Saturn that were detailed at the beginning of this thread, and then to fuse them with the inherent archetypes of whatever signs. So right now we want to do that with the sign Aries.

Aries as any sign has it's own archetypes. If necessary please review JWG'S writing of Pluto in the first house in his first book on Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey Of The Soul. All the core archetypes are stated there. For example, Aries correlates to the beginning of a new evolutionary cycle of development that then requires abundant freedom in order to act upon the desires that correlate with what that new evolutionary cycle of development is about. And remember, too, that Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House are in a natural last quarter square to Aries, Mars, and the 1st House. So, in essence, that archetype is contained and reflected within Saturn's placement in Aries. So how would the archetypes of Saturn then 'condition' how those desires become actualized.

So go ahead and combine these two archetypes as best you can, and as comprehensively as possible. If you have any questions please ask them of me now.  Our due date for this will be January 29th.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad & Group,

So we begin, again, Saturn in Aries/1st House!


Fire & Desire

When a Soul is born with Saturn in Aries/1st, the structural nature of consciousness is built with beams of fire and desire to start anew, to be a free and independent thinker and to experience one's own understanding of the world and how it works, leading to a new belief system that is founded in their own experience. There is a need to experiment on new reality structures, without limits or constraint of any kind. This Soul will not be following anyone else's way of loving and living, they are blazing new trails of being, they want absolute control of the direction they travel and they are determined to take the lead and travel the road no one else has touched.

With Saturn in Aries, something has recently run its course, chapter ended, and a new one is in place to be written, in every area of this Saturn in Aries life. Saturn in Aries connects to a brand new evolutionary cycle of development, which will then require absolute freedom in every way, at every turn, in order for evolution to proceed. Within this freedom of experience, new information will be gleaned, and from there individual beliefs are formed and values developed. Each new experience will build upon the next, the learning within the new reality that is progressively and instinctually expressed will provide valuable energetic content to pull from, new desires will continue to emerge and take form, eventually leading the Soul toward establishing a reality where their desires and actions taken manifest a structure holding relevant individual meaning, rooted in their own experience and creation.

"In the beginning, God created man in his own image"
Says who? Clearly this book was written by the superior gender, the dominant, privileged male, for God is a man, according to men.

Is this a conditioned or natural belief?

Men in fact came from women.

A Soul with Saturn in Aries in the 1st house would challenge all consensus beliefs, including traditional religious teachings involving gender biases. (that is, depending on the evolutionary state). Nevertheless, the Soul will be challenging the cultural norms, customs and beliefs of the general masses with this signature.

Note: A consensus male would of course buy into the belief that God is a man, because they want to be number one, as in man in charge, where all flows from there, and the submissive woman comes second to their wants and needs.


Saturn in Aries = ARIES/Mars/1st - LAST QUARTER SQUARE to CAPRICORN/SATURN/10th

Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House is in a natural last quarter square to Aries, Mars, and the 1st House reflecting a crisis in consciousness, essentially a crisis in belief, so this Soul will be in the process of de-conditioning and creating a totally new structure of realty, a new foundation of beliefs to spring from as they are emerging out of the social system. For those with Saturn in Aries/1st, undoubtedly, the Soul will be experiencing an identity crisis. There is maximum pressure and tension here as there will be a fear of the unknown moving forward, and a deep insecurity as a result. There can be a temptation to slip back into the past at times, toward what feels secure, but that would equal losing themselves to someone elses's control, in other words, mainstream society's control. The desire to break free from the status quo and cultural norms will prove to be stronger than the fear of the unknown and undefined. Yet they do not know how to move into what they do not yet know, so they follow their raw, unchecked instinct. They do not yet know how to consciously define what they have yet to experience, so it essentially becomes a blank slate waiting for their paint of personal experience to hit the canvas.

(The last quarter square, relative to Saturn as a conditioning , defining, archetype for Aries causes the Soul to restrict unchecked and/or impulsive actions manifesting from whatever desire at whatever time. this correlates to a necessary 'reflection' upon the instinctual desires that manifest so that there is a necessary 'control' of those desires that serves as winnowing affect in terms of what to actually act upon, and what not )

A Soul with Saturn in Aries in the 1st will be selfish and self focused in their pursuits to establish a belief base of their own design and they will not stop or slow down until they have exhausted enough desires to feel relatively secure in who they are and what they know they want long term, yet this will inevitably change more than a few times along the way. There is a returning desire for the new, so revamping and re-inventing becomes a common theme in business, for example in the life of the entrepeneur. For Souls that are more conscious or awake, they will continuously challenge and question consensus rules and beliefs, to the point of representing someone who is instrumental in making real change to outworn models. The insecurity of the unknown is always present, yet the courage to experience the thrill of freedom loving movement and change far exceeds the shaky inner center. Like all cardinal signs, it can be a two steps forward, one step back process. There can be immense courage to start something new and then the Soul may freak out at the change and pull back, with the need to re-gather their center and prepare to move forward again, seen with the natural square to Cancer.

If for whatever reason, this Soul chooses to adopt something that they are not instinctually in alignment with, equaling behavioral compensation, it will lead to a major personal crisis, providing the Soul is at all awake, commonly seen at strong Saturn junctures such as the Saturn return. Obviously if the Soul is numb and just moving through life half asleep, it will not make any difference at all, similar to throwing a pebble at a mountain, so it is important to observe individual Soul context.

Saturn as an archetype conditions every other planet in the horoscope, similar to wrapping each and every planetary function with the energetic clothing of Aries, everything down to the socks and shoes. Thus planets may be positioned in another sign, but they are built and framed, thus sustained with an Aries impulse and vibe, everything is bursting with yang energy and the desire for the novel and the new will supersede anything else. How the Soul relates to itself and others and how the Soul thinks and moves in space in every way, will be driven by Mars, the ruler for Aries, translating into a Soul in a brand stage of evolutionary development, driven by the need for independence and abundant freedom, in order to express whatever is emanating from the deep.

FAMILY/SOCIETY of Origin

Saturn in Aries can represent a life where the Soul is born into a brand new family structure as well as a society and environment unlike they have ever known, in order for the Soul to experience the new from the ground up, this would include choosing to be born into a totally new race of people. Due to this desire for the brand new base, they will as a result attract new experiences across the board., including family relationships that reflect a new cycle or perhaps having members  family they have never known in other times. Also scenarios would equal having known these Soul in other times but they would not have necessarily shown up in a family dynamic.

Souls with this signature who have been born into families where the parental influences send a message, Do it "My way or the highway", will be rebelling at day one. These Souls will be hitting the highway as soon as humanly possible. Anyone who tries to limit or control this Soul will experience resistance and rebellion. It will depend on the individual's personal story and evolutionary requirements as to what type of parents and society they choose to be born into, but the more freedom the better, If that freedom is not provided, and a natural outlet is not granted for the freedom to express emerging desires, thereby forcing the Soul to repress this primal need, it will become problematic at best.

In committed relationships as well as relationships of all kinds, they will need their own space to be free, independent and at times alone, for the time to themselves will serve as a space for regeneration. If this space is not honored and openly granted, the Saturn in Aries Soul will shut the relationship down. "Don't fence me in and don't force my hand". Nothing could turn off Saturn in Aries off more than another Soul attempting to control them in any way, this leads to anger and in extreme cases, rage.

A Soul with this Saturn placement requires relationships of all kinds, starting with the parents they were born into, that offer them the  freedom to come to know firsthand who they are, through their own experiences, thus generating new thoughts and adopting new beliefs unique to their own personal unfolding. These beliefs then allow for a new set of values that reflect a new model of being, Ideally a Soul with Saturn in Aries/1st would be born into a family who supports their own unique individuality versus the intention of the child to become a spitting image of the parents. One move or voice of control in that direction and the child will be gone, emotionally and otherwise and the parents can kiss goodbye any semblance of a meaningful relationship with that child. You attempt to manipulate (inconjunct Scorpio/8th) and control this Soul, and you don't exist, you are not worth their time and energy. This may sound extreme but for this kind of Soul, it can create its own kind of suffocation, for freedom, like oxygen, is essential for life and for personal evolution to take place. Saturn in Aries is built with a fight or flight constitution. They will either fight against or flee from anything that blocks or limits their growth.

CAREER - "I am my own boss!"

In the most ideal scenario, this Soul will work for themselves, or be the boss of themselves or others, and if this is not possible early on, they will work tirelessly until it becomes their reality. As with all fire signs, they will have a special sense of destiny and be driven until they the day they are done to manifest the inner desire to make their mark on the world.

With respect to this Soul's creative life purpose and world of work, they will feel inspired to create something of their own making, to make a name for themselves and to be recognized for creatively transforming not only themselves, but transforming something pre-existing, such as the world of work that they are drawn to do as a result of their personal passions and desires. They will also need absolute freedom to change directions at will and to simply follow their inner urges to express themselves in whatever way the desire moves them.

The Soul may need to experience an ongoing intensity, where a great deal is in motion on a sustained basis and where visible progress is always present. Aries as an archetype tends to only look ahead, versus taking the time to look back at the distance gained, so one of the lessons here is to also find inspiration and motivation in the distance gained.

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Saturn, as an archetype, correlates with the past that leads to the present: reflection results. Thus, Saturn in Aries correlates with a structural consciousness that indeed reflects upon the past, the distance gained, that serves as an essential self knowledge that leads to how the Soul then "judges", Saturn, itself in the progression of it's life. This type of reflection also allows the Soul to progressively hone it's desire nature relative to that which is new, what to continue to act upon, and what not.

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Saturn in Aries/1st could represent a Soul who is designed to build and protect. For many with this signature, as Mars rules Aries, physical motion is needed and desired and can be represented in professions such as the military, police, fire fighting, construction or landscaping. The Soul's energy would feel right at home where action is required, in some cases emergency situations as this signatures reflects a Soul in a tribe for example who would be "the first one out of the tent" when there is danger as they are courageous and inwardly equipped to respond in urgent situation. This would also apply in the field of medicine, such as in an emergency room doc, where the need to think quickly on their feet is critical which could equal be a life or death outcome. A Soul with Saturn in Aries in this context would live for this kind of blood rush and their instinct to take charge of the situation would be fierce.

As with all cardinal signs, Saturn in Aries represents a condition where an entire chapter with respect to ones' career has come to a close and a brand new beginning is being initiated. This Soul will be learning via various chosen experiences how to build upon and establish their own personal authority within a culture or society. Because of their desire for freedom and upward mobility, a rising up the ranks will be a primary desire, and one where they are willing to put in the time, earning their stripes, similar to someone in the military climbing up the ranks or someone in corporate America climbing up the corporate ladder so they can finally be Captain in charge, numero uno and the one that holds the highest ranking post or position. This may also play out in a way where Souls choose to not join the system at all, as in the individuated state and go to work for themselves, especially in those latter stages.  Saturn in Aries Souls are generally quite self disciplined, self determined and motivated as they repeatedly raise the bar following each goal they reach. This natural instinct will serve to help motivate others to do the same and as a result they make natural leaders and tend to be able to easily shoulder a great deal of responsibility. Ultimately, they desire control and want to be in charge of the direction of their destiny versus someone else directing things for them.

RESPONSIBILITY

The Saturn in Aries' sense of responsibility is first and foremost to themselves. They feel a personal duty to strike out on their own and take the lead in a new way. They are capable of shouldering a great deal of responsibility and are wired with the energy and drive to carry out a task of leadership rank. They are highly motivated and driven by the pure desire to experience all that has not been tried, tested and tasted. This energy is coupled with a courage and a bravery to take on the world so to speak and it can prove to be a highly attractive energy for others to follow such as being in charge of a company or a country. Whatever their chosen role may be, it will be essential that they are in charge and at the top of the chain of command, even if that chain is only one.

GUILT

Saturn as an archetype also connects to the emotion of guilt. There are two different kinds of guilt: natural and learned. When there is guilt in a Soul that is natural, then the very nature of that guilt, even the events that caused it, will stay in the Soul forever. It remains within so the Soul will never repeat the causes and actions that led created the natural guilt. On the other hand, guilt that is learned, thus not natural, and taken on due to societies standards, rules and taboos, can be expelled from the Soul at some point in time. Saturn in Aries reflects a Soul who feels guilt simply for the nature of their desires, desires that in fact need to be acted upon, and can prevent the Soul from taking action and making choices due to the fear of judgements of others.

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This is one possibility only. The evolutionary condition of the Soul serves as the baseline upon which any given Soul will have it's own natural judgmental orientation to that desires that emanate from it. For example the very opposite of feeling guilty for the nature of their desires to do what they want to do for themselves. This would then manifest an an inner judgmental attitude towards others that essentially says 'this is who I am, take it or leave it', or 'this is what I want to do, support it or not'.

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With Saturn in Aries/1st, all of the instinctual desires will surface and will be unearthed, giving the Soul an opportunity to start fresh and formulate their own feelings with respect to their own personal beliefs surrounding what is naturally right and wrong. This grants them the energetic wherewithal to initiate a new chapter, a new way forward as to how the Soul integrates the guilt, natural or learned, making new choices that support forward movement versus paralyzing the Soul's progress with the unnecessary weight of man made guilt. It can induce added courage to expunge whatever has been collected that is not natural and for the Soul to be free of its hold, as a result of sheer determination and desire to experience life with an unchecked filter and without apologizing for what is needs to evolve.

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Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House correlate, first, with the archetype of judgments. Judgements are natural to consciousness for that is indeed how the Soul learns about anything: judgements. One type of judgement manifest as guilt. Thus, guilt that is either man made, learned, or natural guilt that is rooted in all the natural laws of the Manifest Creation. So the issue then becomes what is the existing inner content within the consciousness of the Soul that is used to form whatever judgements in the first place.

Desire > Repressed due to Guilt/Fear > Rage > Blame  

Sadistic tendencies in extreme cases can occur as a result of repressing natural desires seen in the Garden of Eden myth as Adam blames Eve for his own desire, temptation and ultimately action where he tastes the forbidden fruit ( inconjunct to Scorpio). His guilt turns to rage and her guilt turns to a masochistic shame due to his blame in making her feel responsible for his desire, and so she spends lifetimes repenting. (inconjunct to Virgo).

When any desire is repressed, there will be anger, and seething anger in some cases.

GENDER

With Saturn, correlating to gender assignment, Saturn in Aries/1st can connect to a Soul who recently switched genders, (of course this would not be true in all cases) but may be experiencing being in a new gender for either the first time, or perhaps after many lives. Another way this gender assignment can play out would be a Soul who would takes on a role in society that is predominantly seen in the opposite gender, challenging the system, such a as a woman running for president. Hilarie Rodham Clinton has Saturn in Leo forming a balsalmic conjunction to Mars. She also makes it a point to use her maiden name within her legal name which states her desire to be her own person.

SATURN RETROGRADE

Saturn in Aries/1st Retrograde, Saturn is retrograde in Aries equals a Soul who cannot relate to reality as it is. Because of this inner experience, there is a need to establish a reality of their own making, as well as to become their own inner authority. This reflects a Soul who is in a highly charged individuation process, due to the nature of the retrograde, mimicking the archetype of Aquarius. The ruler of Aquarius is Uranus, which is forever trying to revolutionize the crystallized structures of the Saturn reality. The Soul will instinctually rebel or reject the maintstream mentality and will retreat and withdraw from the status quo.. This Soul will continuously challenge pre-existing limitations. Once the Soul manifests the courage to define themselves in an individual way, one that reflects their actual essence, the courage will create an inner security that will withstand any social pressures to conform.

This Soul may not be accepted by the group, the Soul's vibration creates this effect in order to induce the intent to necessarily withdraw from the consensus in order to individuate. The Soul intends to make these re-definitions in a more radical way due to the function of the retrograde.

The evolved Saturn in Aries retrograde says, "Take it or leave it, this is who I am."

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Thanks again all, for this EA learning, growing opportunity..
Kristin

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Hi Kristin,

Again, thanks for taking the time to work on this segment of our Saturn thread. I have inserted within your text my comments that are highlighted by the bold text.

Your work is really excellent EA work. If you have any questions about what I have commented upon please just ask.

God Bless, Rad

Saturn in Aries or the First House.

Saturn correlates with the structure of consciousness. Consciousness in itself has no form just as water has no form of its own and thus takes the form of its container. The human form is a container for consciousness to experience itself just as any other natural physical form is a container for consciousness to experience itself. A rock has consciousness, a plant, an animal and all other life forms all are conscious or self aware in varying degrees. The human form has the most evolved brain and nervous system on the planet thus, our physical form is able to house consciousness in a more evolved, self aware way. Even within human form there are huge discrepancies of levels of awareness/consciousness as we can see with some Souls which are just evolving from animal forms, all the way up to Souls like Jesus and Buddha, who represented the very highest potential evolution in human form.

Saturn representes the natural boundaries of consciousness which will then translate and correlate to the natural boundaries within our physical form and to the boundaries within our physical environment, to the boundaries represented by our societies laws and regulations and thus to the unseen but tangible boundaries and limitations within the morality of the mainstream society any given person lives in.

Fire signs and Houses correlate with a sense of special destiny that is unique to the individual and planets in the Fire element will carry this vibration and can have an inflated sense of personal importance because of this specialness they feel they are here to experience. This can range from simple narcisism and a desire to be first and above all others or simply, to a person who has  an important mission or something uniquely special to achieve in the world.

Aries, Mars and the First House all correlate with the initiation of new evolutionary cycles. To the way we initiate action based on our core desires and unconscious motivations which stem from Pluto, the Soul.

The First House Saturn will have a South Node located somewhere and that house will indicate where the need to initiate the new cycle, represented by the First House, is evolving from and also gives additional information as to what type of conditioning was experienced in the past of the Soul. It can also show what the structural nature Soul´s consciousness is evolving from and how the patriarchy has effected the Soul in the past, which is currently conditioning the present
life.

When Saturn is located in the First House it indicates that a new evolutionary cycle has just been initated in the preceding life leading up to the current life and that this new cycle is a primal focus of the Soul. This new cycle will require unlimited freedom of action in order to actualize the core desires that led up to the initiation of this new cycle, just as any planet in the First House will require the same amount of personal freedom in order to actualize itself. The difference is in the nature and expression of each planet. With Saturn we are focusing on the defining, structuring principle of consciousness and creation. This quality of defining and structuring our living reality comes through personal effort, learning through hard won experience, understanding natural and un-natural boundaries and the responsibility for our actions as they create consequences for ourselves and others.

The combination of these two archetypes leads to an energy signature that is somewhat antagonistic as Aries and Capricorn are in a square aspect to each other in the natural Zodiac. There will always be a fundamental tension with this placement of Saturn in Aries or the First House or with Mars conjunct Saturn. This doesn´t mean it´s a negative placement for Saturn, as in Evolutionary Astrology there are only combinations of archetypes and the judgement of good and bad is a personal choice of the individual interpreting the symbols. Judgement correlating to Saturn. What it can correlate to is a considerable amount of energy that needs expression and that can lead to tension and frustration if there is no constructive outlet for the energy, desire or impulse. Saturn in the First House in a sense is a paradoxical placement as Aries desires total freedom of action and Capricorn/Saturn is all about responsibility, rules, morals structure and social regulations which can feel like prison bars or walls. The combination of the two archetypes leads to an individual that in order to be free, First House, needs to work, Saturn, on his or her own ability to act responsibly in order to build his or her life in the desired direction while at the same time adapting to the values of the mainstream consensus society because of the natural square aspect. The individual may be breaking free from something in his/her environment and may need to take on responsibilities that will equal personal freedom in some way. These responsibilities can mean getting a job and moving out of the home or town of origin from a very young age in order to pursue a different path than those in the family environment. A strong theme is to build the self in order to pursue any desired path as Saturn in any house shows where we will need sustained effort in order to accomplish goals, learn maturity and develop ourselves to the best of our abilities. Remembering the Tenth House is the highest point, the Zenith of the chart and the "Goat" climbs to the highest hights only thru sheer effort and a headstrong ambition to rise above all odds.  

Relative to the social role and profession, with Saturn in the First House or Aries, the individual may desire to be in a work field that has a special sense of importance such as in something heroic and dangerous. Others may like something tough and highly masculine such as the military. Others may like simply being in any work that allows for a sense of personal freedom and independence such as gardening because it´s outdoors and allows for the individual to work alone. There can be difficulty in finding a work that is satisfying for the individual as almost anything can be seen as limiting to personal freedom unless there is an acceptance of personal boundaries and limitations which show some sense of maturity in understanding the inherent limitations of the society of birth. A main theme professionally would be for the individual to be a self made man or woman in his or her own right.

Saturn in Aries or the First House can also show some timidity or shyness as it can also doubt itself and its abilites or can feel different from the majority of others and have a hard time adapting to certain mainstream values or belief systems. There can be some insecurity relative to ones masculinity, ability to assert one´s will and ability to reach a goal. This can lead to a person that either hesitates out of a lot of self doubt or to someone who forces things to the max and gives it all they have in an excessive way. There can be a need to build confidence in personal abilites with this aspect as there can also simply be a fear of  failure or of the consequences of our actions, of being personally judged by others in general and held accountable, or of simply getting physically injured.


Relative to the structural nature of a consciousness with Saturn in Aries of the First House, the Soul can have a consciousness that is highly focused on its own ability to assert itself and can therefore correlate with an attitude of combativeness, a person that is always ready for a challenge or a competition or some sort. The Soul may also feel the need to be up to any challenge that may present itself and therefore the individual may continuosly strive to learn new ways of developing his or her assertiveness and abilities which will promote a sense of strength. There can be a tendency towards a provocative attitude that naturally brings about a defensive reaction from others and adds to the fight or flight state of awareness that can permeate an individual´s reality with this planetary placement.
In the case of weaker individuals the consciousness may be one of constant struggle and effort as if thou one was always going against the grain and in a constant battle against everyone and everything. Therefore the structural nature of a consciousness with Saturn in Aries or the First House may be one of always needing to be ready for a fight and there can be a continued state of inner compression because of the desire to be strong even if the individual feels weak. No one can always be and feel strong and the First House Saturn will certainly at times feel weak, sick, vulnerable and powerless just like everyone else. The Yod from the Sixth and Eighth Houses will enforce the natural lessons of powerlessness and humility if the Soul gets too full of itself and becomes arrogant in the pursue of its desires, thus compounding upon any sense of frustration and powerlessness if their ambitions are out of synch with the rest of the people around them and their ambitions.


The combo of Aries/Capricorn is a combination we all experience naturally within our psyches and in our lives due to the square between the two archetypes in the Zodiac. We all basically need to understand that there is no true freedom without accepting responsibility for our actions. In taking responsibility for our actions we can begin to act maturely and constructively by channeling our energy towards goals, so we can build whatever we desire. When these archetypes are expressed positively, the result is personal effort and constructive action that leads to achieving results and with sustained action, can lead to success in building ourselves, our lives or a career. In a negative expression these archetypes combined can lead to senseless anger and violence against the system, its rules, its leaders or representatives and authority figures, parents or anything that is experienced as limiting to our personal freedom. In more extreme situations there can be anger and violence towards the self as there can be some aspect of ourselves limiting our desire for forward movement which causes intense frustration. The angry outbursts are simply a desire to break free from whatever is perceived as limiting.

This can be as simple as someone acting in a rush and having accidents due to the constant desire to push boundaries, someone who is against the clock as Saturn correlates with Time.  It can correlate to someone with a very bad temper that builds up pressure by supressing anger until it explodes. Again the key is to learn constructive by action learning to channel our energy correctly and un derstanding personal boundaries.

When we combine the two archetypes we see there are also many potential possibilites for growth.  Think of a body builder who thru sheer effort and hard work towards a desired goal, Saturn, will build and define his or her muscles, Mars. This same dynamic of continued effort towards a goal can be applied to anything in life until success is reached.

Continuing on the physical side of these archetypes the individual may cyclically experience pain as he or she pushes boundaries to unhealthy or possibly dangerous limits. What the individual needs to learn is patience and preserverance as the individual may push his or her body over the limits and thus create physical injuries and destructive tendencies that will cause long term damage to various parts of the body such as to the joints. Physical blows/trauma to the head because of pushing forward too aggressively and impulsively or due to accidents because of hesitation. Restriced blood flow due to weakened valves in the heart and to weak veins which can cause varicose veins and a lack of blood flow to muscles which can lead to contractures and stiffness in general. Lack of Iron in the blood possibly leading to anemia. Inflammation of all sorts of tissues. High levels of body acidity and a need to alkalize. Injuries to ligaments, tendons and muscle tissue due to over straining. There can be a limited amount of testosterone produced in the system as Saturn correlates to restriction and Mars/Aries to testosterone. This can be due to a psychology of giving up when the going gets tough, feeling futile and frustrated by blocks to their efforts. Testosterone is important for masculinity, sexual expression and competitiveness. Injuries to the testicles are also a possibility. The adrenals may also be affected as the individual experiences many stressful situations that lead to the famous fight or flight response on a cyclical basis and thus the stress to the adrenals may lead to migraine headaches.
Anxiety, blood pressure issues and heart rate problems are some issues that can be present due to the deregulation of norepinephrine which is created in the adrenals.


Looking at the chakra system, which is deeply connected to the physical system as this is where we have our psychic impressions stored as negative energy/tension, due to suppressed emotions or unhealthy beliefs about ourselves, we look at the Navel chakra and at the Root chakra. The Root has three layers, Saturn is the external layer, which deals with our conditioning and social role or identity. Uranus is the middle layer which becomes progressively activated as we individuate and evolve beyond the conditioning of the consensus society of birth. Then we ultimately progress towards activating the inner layer of the Root chakra as we move towards our true essential identity, when the Soul is aware of itself as timeless consciousness and not just a separate Ego as is the case with the level of consciousness and conditioning of the outer layer of the Root chakra, Saturn.

There is potential tension between the outer layer of the Root chakra and the Navel chakra as the Navel chakra relates to our ability to act upon our desires, and the social conditioning which is connected to the outer layer of the Root may be in opposition to our desired direction. This in turn leads to feeling blocked and unable to achieve our desires. This can be something as simple as having a work shedule because of a job that takes up most of our time, Saturn and thus leaves us unable to do anything else. Or to a society that judges our natural needs, Aries/First House, because of social morals of various types. Or the inability to work in something that reflects our true potential and is simply a job to get by when much more is possible. A physical organ that can be effected negatively because of a build up of anger, frustration and rage, due to blocks to desires and impulses, can be the liver.

Another area that will be highly effected with a First House Saturn will be relationships of all types. Remembering the natural square to the Fourth House, the consciousness based on a desire to break free and initiate a new cycle may create crisis within the family for various reasons. One potential could be a family that would need the individual in some way, therefore the individual could not be able to pursue his or her dreams and thus feel angry at the family and society of birth for blocking his or her desires and needs. Or if the desires would be pursued at the expense of leaving the family there could be guilt, natural and un-natural, that the Soul can carry with itself for a very long time and feel its weight, Saturn and feel frustrated by it at the same time. The same can happen in personal intimate relationships as the First House is opposite to the Seventh House and is inconjunct the Eighth House. The desire to be free in order to work and build a career or live out a special destiny can create difficulties with the marriage partner who may not be supportive of the personal desires of the individual with the First House Saturn. This can be a selfish placement in some regards as the individual needs vast amounts of personal freedom and that can be one reason for the partner acting in apparently selfish and uncompromising ways too. Again simply reflecting the selfishness and lack of commitment to the relationship of the First House Saturn back to himself or herself as a way to gain more awareness and be more responsible and thus constructive within relationships. Some may simply avoid relationships all together if they find them too complicated and can end up feeling cut off from the world.

Remembering Aries and the First House are cardinal yang, naturally outward moving aggressive archetypes correlating to masculine energy of dominance and conquest, the Soul may also desire to use others for its personal benefit and simply not commit or give of itself simply out of selfishness and a constant me first attitude. When we combine this with a patriarchal based society, it can create a "psychology of me against the world" where trust in others is also hard to experience.

Remembering the inconjunct to the Eighth House we can understand that there is a need to learn patience in adapting to the pressure of intimate relationships and to also be humble enough to value our commitments in order to complete whatever we initiate. Relative to trust, the individual should ask the question whether he or she is truly to be trusted and not just project the responsibility of failed relationships or partnerships on others, as there can be times where commitments and loyalty are second to any impulse or direction the individual may desire to go in. The inconjunct to the Sixth House can remind the individual that even thou there can be a special sense of destiny, that he or she is not perfect and will need to be of service to the whole in some way in order for that specialness to mean anything. Until inner adjustments are made and arrogance is toned down and turned into patience and respect for others thru assuming responsibility for any and all actions taken, the Soul may feel inadequately humbled by circumstances for "apparently no reason" .

The Opposition to the Seventh House also relates directly to other people and is a constant reminder of how others are always part of our reality and project all sorts of expectations upon us just as we do upon them. Even if the expectation is simply to be left alone, as may very well be the case for the First House Saturn, others may truly need us in some way or think they do and simply demand attention. Either way dynamics relative to relationships need to be dealt with maturely and will most likely be a challenge for this placement, something to really learn in this life.

The opposition to the Seventh House and also remembering Saturn is naturally opposite the Moon in the Zodiac on an archetypal level, shows we will need to find balance and harmony within our own emotional bodies in order to live in peace instead of in constant frustration and potential anger towards everything and anything. Saturn in the First House can correlate to a burdernsome existence that becomes painful in various ways as the individual interfaces with the desire to act in total freedom and yet can be blocked by external circumstances or by the crystalized results of his or her own actions, karma.

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Hi Skywalker,

Again, thanks for taking the time that you have to work upon this segment of our Saturn thread. The EA work you have done here is simply excellent.

God Bless, Rad

The consciousness, Neptune, that manifests in a Soul, Pluto, in the form of a human with Saturn in Aries is limited by the inherent functions of the Aries archetype.  The Soul chooses the structural nature of consciousness, Saturn, in each life because that particular structure will orientate itself to a reality that reflects the needs of the Soul to evolve.  The Soul has chosen Saturn in the sign of Aries and it is from the archetypal dimension of Aries that further evolution will take place.  The Soul, Pluto, determines all choices for Saturn, and every other planet, relative to its karmic and evolutionary needs.  We will be looking at how the Saturn and Aries archetypes condition each other.  Before we begin, it's important to remember in Evolutionary Astrology that the house, sign and planet are considered one archetype:

Saturn - Capricorn - 10th house = one archetype
Mars - Aries - 1st house = one archetype

Saturn archetype

Of all the planets, Saturn is the most picturesque appearing as a shining yellow sphere with a remarkable ribbon-like ring.  Until one deals with Saturn's karma, it is extremely difficult to deal with the energies of the three outer planets:  Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.  Saturn represents the limits in one's consciousness on all levels:  spiritual, intellectual, emotional and psychological.   Saturn representing the principle of contraction, the law of limitation, the conservation of matter and energy, binds a Soul by its past karma until it is freed from its ignorance of separation of personal ego from the Universal Spirit.  Saturn correlates anatomically with the entire skeleton of the body, aging, crystallizations of various kinds, atrophy, restrictions, and overall structural integrity of the whole body.  

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The 'limits' of the Soul's consciousness correlate with Pluto, Scorpio, and the 8th House as these reflect the evolutionary condition, state, of the Soul itself. The Soul's 'karma' is that which is the underlying determinant, Saturn, of what the ongoing reality structures, Saturn, are that the Soul creates because of that karma. The freeing or releasing from that karma is rooted in the ongoing desires within the Soul itself that accepts the responsibility of it's past actions, Saturn, that then manifests as desiring to do something constructive and evolutionarily necessary that allows that karma, which is both negative and positive because it is the sum total of all prior actions of the Soul, to continue to evolve in a way that is consistent, Saturn with the Moon's polarity, with it's prior realities: Saturn. The freeing of the 'karma' is not just a simple function of any given Soul  becoming liberated from a defined existing reality in which the personal ego of the Soul, Moon/Pluto, is somehow separate, Mars, from that which has created the Soul in the first place: The Source Of All Things..universal spirit.

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Aries archetype

Mars symbolizes the male, masculine energy.  While Venus is a feminine energy of merging, Mars is a masculine energy that establishes one's separate identity in the world.  The Mars glyph has been described as a shield of battle with the spear of the Greek war god, Ares, poised for action.  The Mars yang energy is necessary for achieving the Soul's unconscious goals in a conscious way through vision, will, initiative, and creative power.  Mars is self-centred, driving, courageous, self-assertive, strong, impulsive, enterprising, pushing, and irritable.  When a person is challenged, he or she reacts with the fight or flight syndrome and adrenalin, correlating to Mars, is released.  Mars rules the adrenal glands in the body.  The sexual implications of Mars, with Pluto, anatomically correlates to the penis and testes.  The naval chakra correlates to Mars with Pluto.  When Mars energy is blocked, it can manifest as inflammation, infections and fevers.  

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Mars is a co-ruler of the adrenal glands with Venus.

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A core function of the Aries archetype is to begin a new evolutionary cycle in which the Soul will instinctively feel a sense of distinctive calling to fulfill.  This archetype needs freedom, free will, and lack of restrictions to initiate and fulfill compulsive desires and attractions to the new which open up a sense of self-discovery in every moment.  The evolutionary pressure demands that Aries action be spontaneous and free yet conflict can arise because the Soul seeks security and self-consistency through Saturn.  This can create an identity crisis, stagnation, frustration and anger that then leads to initiating new experiences in order to eliminate these restrictions.  

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The need for psychological self-consistency which then correlates with psychological and emotional security correlates with the Moon, Cancer, and the 4th House as this is expressed in the current life ego that the Soul, Pluto, the 8th House, and Scorpio creates. This underlying need for such self consistency is then naturally square Aries, Mars, and the 1st House just as Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House are. Thus, the instinctive desires that manifest through Aries that reflect the Soul's need for an ongoing self discovery of the new evolutionary cycle underway interface and interact upon the existing overall reality of the Soul at any moment in time, Saturn etc, that is governed or controlled because of the ongoing need for the Soul to feel secure and self consistent within it's existing overall reality at any moment in time. To act or not act is then upon the ever manifesting desires from the Soul is thus the crisis's symbolized in the natural squares from Aries to both Capricorn and Cancer, the Moon and Saturn.

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Confrontations

For the Saturn in Aries archetype to evolve, changes of form will become necessary.  The evolutionary pressure that demands changes of form leads to relationships with others because the unique calling cannot occur through allegiance to just oneself.  The limitation of "self" creates a need to evolve through the "other."  Feedback from the environment allows the Soul to find out what the attractions to others are about.  If the other threatens the Soul's existing nature of its reality, this can sometimes lead to an attraction/repulsion dynamic bringing irritation, frustration, anger, and a short fuse.  In emphasis, the Aries Soul has difficulties in relationships whereby they must experience the sense of being attacked or attacking or being misunderstood. These confrontations are necessary to promote lessons of equality, giving, and listening, to become aware of the needs of others before their own.

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Saturn in Aries correlates with the need within the Soul to learn about the very nature of the world that it has been born into which includes it's country of birth, it family that it has chosen to be born into for it's own evolutionary and karmic needs. This is the 'other' that you are referring too that actually means learning the existing laws, customs, norms, and taboos of the country of birth in such a way that the Soul must conform, Saturn, to those laws etc so that the new evolutionary cycle that it is trying to establish can be actualized. This is the natural friction that Saturn in Aries would then feel for Aries, of itself, wants zero restrictions placed upon it. Thus the world of the 'others' that you are referring too is the world at large as defined by all the people within the country of birth, the consensus, and by the family of birth as well.

Thus, the Saturn in Aries is not evolving 'through' others but is in fact evolving 'because' of the realities of others that correlate to the Soul needing to learn how to actualize it's new evolutionary cycle into the world at large in general, and it's individual relationships with others specifically, so that the freedom necessary to do so can occur within the existing CONTEXT of the world, reality, that the Soul has chosen to be born into.

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A square in crisis

With the square lies the conflict between Saturnian responsibility to deal with past karma and Aries desire to live each moment anew.  This creates a crisis in consciousness between the past and the present moment.  For evolution to proceed, a Soul with Saturn in Aries will remain in crisis until he or she succeeds in breaking through cultural norms, and going beyond Saturn (to Uranus).  

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It is not a matter of breaking free from cultural norms BUT WORKING WITH THEM IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE NEW EVOLUTIONARY CYCLE CAN OCCUR. If that does not happen then it becomes analogous to someone knocking on a door that is never opened.

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The square creates the necessary tension or stress that makes this possible.  While Saturn correlates to the prevailing cultural norms, how things are done properly, Aries is identifying with its own creative powers, desires, and abilities.  Saturn is more than willing to sacrifice short-term gratification and its own will to advance its socially defined status, role and prestige.  It all boils down to acting without thinking versus looking before you leap!  The serious planetary stress of the square will affect one's intimate relationships.  The crisis in action is to determine what structures will continue that best reflect both the individuality and social purpose of the Soul.  For this reason Saturn can block.. not so much blocking as CONTROLLING the overflowing of exuberant Aries energies.  Aries will usually not conform to the status quo, while Saturn wishes to concretize forms.  This duo constantly go through a dynamic process of elimination, a crisis in action, moving ahead, then halting, pausing, eliminating, then moving ahead again into freedom and something new.  


Saturn controls while Aries runs free!  

The marriage of tremendous energy (Aries) with equally powerful patience (Saturn) builds strong determination, sustained effort and great stamina towards achieving goals.  Saturn is practical earth, bound by the past, and cannot move beyond it;  Aries is the release of personal fire into the world, expression of will power and the search for personal identity.  Both the Saturn and Aries archetypes operate on three levels at the same time:  internal, relational, and external.  The quality that they have in common is leadership.  Saturnian leadership is stable and secure, leaves nothing to chance, makes careful plans, and is a capable leader who gives the orders.  Saturn will stick to the plan no matter how long it takes to achieve its goal.  Aries can ruin the plan through impatience, frustration and loss of interest!  Aries dislikes restraint of any kind.  It is spurred on to tackle immense undertakings, the directives of which are really coming from the Soul.  However, due to the compulsiveness of this archetype, Aries taking on too much and devoid of Saturnian sensibility can bring on headaches and accidents.  Aries conditions Saturn by bringing creativity and newness to tired structures.  Achievements to society are sustained by Aries energy and initiative.  While Aries seizes and creates its destiny in each moment, an active Saturn tries to be in charge of its destiny by taking the long, established route.


The 1st house experience

The 1st house experience is self-consciousness, the point and the means by which the Soul begins to define the Saturnian reality.  It is a beginning, the early childhood of personal experience, yet it is primary in importance, for what is formed here at the innermost personal level of the desire nature is in time expressed in the outermost sense in the 10th house.  The excess of energy coming from the self is controlled and economized in order to build structures that are useful, long-term, and of benefit to all.

The 1st house regulates the flow of energy from within oneself, one's self-expression, to the outer world in relation to others.  Nothing instinctive is constructed, carefully planned or thought out.  One cannot control or stop the instincts:  they must be free to act on any impulse.  They are wired into the primal brain with dictates coming straight from the Soul, Pluto.


The 10th house experience

The 10th house experience is responsibility and collective integration.  It rules one's career, social status, honour, reputation, people in authority, political power, and the discovery of one's spiritual identity.  In emphasis, the 10th house denotes a Soul who has a strong need to achieve, and to be recognized.  The 10th can stand for one who plays the role of father or authority figure who teaches discipline and how to get along in the outer world.  It is in this house that the individual is promoted as a public focal point in the chosen status, career, profession and reputation.  One has to set goals and prove oneself in a public performance.  The 10th house can be a key to understanding one's self-transcendency, that is, in what direction one must evolve until one is living out the symbolism of one's chart at the highest, most self-integrated level, symbolized by Capricorn climbing the mountain where it sits at the very top of the chart.  Saturn in  Aries career choices would make use of the qualities of absolute freedom, pioneering, discovery, self-focus, leadership, and courage.  These qualities lead Aries into a search, a driving need to explore and discover more and more about itself.

Suppression, judgment and guilt

Judgments are natural to consciousness because they allow the Soul to learn about the nature of life.  However, the Soul with Saturn in Aries can fall prey to judgments based on consensus laws and customs depending on the structural nature of the Soul's reality.  Is the Soul conditioned by man-made dogmas, or aligned with knowledge rooted in Natural Laws?  Anything that falls outside the consensus tends to be repressed and then becomes distorted.  Applying this to gender assignment - example, Aries squaring Capricorn - the suppression of the natural sexual instincts relative to artificial conditionings leads to desires becoming distorted and manifests through behaviours such as rage and unnatural guilt.  This can apply to the Saturn in Aries Soul being petrified of its own sexuality, such as being too fiery or too passionate, and then suppressing and crushing these natural desires by throwing iced water over oneself and others.

Security

Psychological and emotional security correlates to Saturn.  This self-consistency translates into expectations by the majority projected onto the Soul.  The Soul can be weighed down by the pressure to conform to such an extent that it creates uneasiness, fear, guilt, futility, depression and insecurity.  Guilt can inhibit the Soul from making right choices for its ongoing evolutionary needs.  With these kinds of crystallized beliefs and behaviours, it becomes an evolutionary necessity to create new forms and structures based on Natural Laws.  This is when it becomes necessary to develop self-determination and inner security so that the Soul is able to draw strength and courage from within.  The natural undistorted Aries archetype, in following a new direction, is then indeed able to do things "my way" so as to stop fitting the mold as defined by society.

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Again, see above, emotional and psychological security correlate with the natural trinity of Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces that is then manifested in the reality that the Soul creates for itself in the context of the world in which it finds itself: Saturn, etc. For the consensus within any society, country, to feel secure it creates all the agreed upon rules, customs, norms, taboos, laws that are projected upon each citizen so that the consensus can feel secure and self consistent. When any person or citizen challenges this existing state of security within the consensus that person or citizen is then perceived as a threat of some kind. Man made judgements are then projected upon the person who does not CONFORM, Saturn etc, to these consensus expectations.

This then leads to exactly what you then said about how this can then affect the Saturn in Aries Soul: "The Soul can be weighed down by the pressure to conform to such an extent that it creates uneasiness, fear, guilt, futility, depression and insecurity...... etc".

The Saturn in Aries Soul, once they have realized how to actualize all the desires that correlate with the Soul's new evolutionary cycle into the country, world, society as it is, the exiting laws, taboos, customs, etc, can then CHANGE IN POSITIVE AND NECESSARY WAYS THAT VERY CONSENSUS WORLD IN WHICH THEY FIND THEMSELVES. Thus, the natural leadership, the pioneer, the bringer of a new way of something can positively affect that consensus world as well as actualize it's new evolutionary cycle in a way that is beneficial to itself.

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Thanks yet again Rad and group!

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Hi Linda,

First, thanks for making the effort you have to work on this segment of our Saturn thread. The bold text are my comments on what you have submitted. If you have any questions on any of those comments please feel free to ask me.

Excellent EA work Linda.

God Bless, Rad

Hi rad and Group,

Nice work everyone. As for me, I did start an outline back when Rad first posted this assignment but I really haven't had time to devote to this. Please move on without me as I don't want to hold anyone up by pretending I might find time to do this  :-)

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Hi Rad,
I am sorry I won't be able to post my assignment tonight. I still have a lttle bit more to do to put everything together. I spent quite some time studying and assimilating the archetypes and then ran out of time. I won't be able to get to it until this week end. I hope it is OK with you. I don't want to slow down the group. I really want to participate.  I am learning a lot through the process. Thanks to all for the opportunity. Gypsie.

Hi Gypsie,

Go ahead and finish up your work. We will wait until you have posted. And it is wonderful that you are making the effort that you are.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin, Linda, and Skywalker

Just wonderful that you all have taken the time you have to work on this part of our ongoing Saturn thread. I will be reading all of what you have written in the next couple of days which will also give Gypsie time to finish up her work. So I will be getting back to you at the top of next week.

God Bless, Rad

Hi RAd,
Thanks for the extra time. My assignment is complete now but I can't post it tonight from my tablet so I will post it tomorrow morning, Monday from my computer at home.
Gypsie

Hi Gypsie,

Ok, we will be waiting for it.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin, Linda, and Skywalker

We will wait until we hear from Gypsie before we move on. Thank to all of you for taking the time to work on this segment of our Saturn thread. You have all done wonderful work that will benefit all those who come here to read and learn about Saturn.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
Thanks for the extra time you gave me. Here is my assignment.
It is in progress. I will continue to work on this assignment as I am very interested in understanding more of the Aries Capricorn combination and manifestation along with Saturn as the structure of consciousness. My Saturn is Retrograde in Sag, and so I spent quite some time pondering on it in order to understand the nature of "a" structure of consciousness. Since I started from ground zero with Saturn, I went into in several directions to try to get it and put all the EA pieces together! My assignment is a bit lengthy as I took the times to go over all the archetypes and EA principles to make sure I understand it OK. I won't have to do that again with the next archetype.
I still feel incomplete as far as having a full EA grasp about Saturn function as a structure of consciousness or how it operates as a reflection of the soul's evolutionary needs and requirements as there is many mitigating factors involved, but I am sure I will understand it better as we continue to go around the zodiac!
Any feedback would be appreciated to see if I am in the right direction with how I understand what an individual structure of consciousness is conceptually about. Thanks so much. I am excited to continue and be part of this group! 
Gypsie.

The structure of consciousness, Saturn in Aries

Saturn, the socialization process

We all have been imprinted by our country of birth, our parental figures, as well as all the institutions that surround us and have shaped our sense of how things should be, i.e. schools, churches, government, legal system, ritualized events, etc. Everywhere we are, in public or in private, society has permeated our lives. It is reflected out there in the world, in our buildings, on our streets, in the way we talk, dress, walk, down to our hair cut. Whether we like it or not, we have all been socialized to create and organize reality in a certain way. From birth to adult life and moving into older age, we carry that conditioning inside. It is within the boundaries of that reality and conditioning that the world makes sense to us; it is the known, what we believe to be "the way".

Consensus reality reflects the crystallization of a group of people's beliefs and their social organization of reality. Because of the law of evolution, that specific form will inevitably, over time, evolve into a new one. This can be seen all over in history, as no society has ever stayed static and the same. However, what does remain at the core of any human society is the constant fact that any group of people that has crystalized into a specific social form socializes its members within the boundaries of what is believed and/or what is presented as "the way to be".

Social cohesion and order give a group its sense of security (Capricorn- Cancer). Therefore whatever is seen as reality in a particular society will be adhered to by its members, and if necessary, enforced by the authority, leaders or representatives of that social group, in order to secure the group's identity (Aries) and its continued existence (Capricorn).

Part of the socialization process in a society is to teach individuals how to live together in accordance to a common set of beliefs, rules, regulations, norms, taboos and customs. In EA philosophy, the society's moral foundations and social organization is reflected in the archetype of Saturn, representing the consensus reality of any particular group of people living under the same "flag", for lack of a better term.

Within that shared reality, everyone is expected to conform to the socially defined and agreed-upon reality. The consequences for not doing so take the form of moral judgments and man-made induced guilt, as well as fines, emotional/physical punishment, imprisonment, exile, etc. Every society has its own ways to controlling its members, which vary in intensity relative to the level of consciousness of that society, and what is socially prescribed by the authority in place.

Saturn, the individual structure of consciousness

At a personal level, Saturn is our personal matrix through which we define and organize our own reality. This personalized form of reality is our structure of consciousness; it is how we are personally orientated towards reality as a separate individual.

The reality, as we personally know it and how we perceive it, is a composite of our Soul's state of consciousness, its past conditionings, and how the past collective conditioning has impacted our current structure of consciousness. In conjunction with the rest of the chart, our individual structure of consciousness is, in total, the structure from which we organize and act upon the world around us, and through which we are acted upon by it. It is the physical earth reality and limitations that the soul will experience in its incarnation in order for consciousness to evolve and "to experience itself reflected back towards itself".

The individual structure of consciousness has been constructed for each lifetime by the Soul in such a way as to reflect its on-going evolutionary needs and requirements. It is that specific Saturnian conditioning or reality that the individual operates in and from in this particular lifetime. As the Soul transmits its desires to Aries, Aries instinctively acts them out at a subjective level, within and through this Saturn's reality.

The personal forms and structures that make our total personal reality become part of our own self-image. Along with the Moon (ego), Saturn correlates with the personal container in which consciousness (Neptune/water) is housed in. These forms and structures (i.e. our own body, our work function, our relationships, our family, our beliefs, etc.) represent what is real to us, the known.

In the same way that the Consensus conforms to the status quo for security reasons, so do we conform to our individual Saturn, our personal and current way of seeing and experiencing reality because it is a source of emotional security for us (polarity cancer). In the same way that Saturn societal forms crystalize over time in the outer world, so does our personal reality; it crystalizes unless it is actively worked upon and evolved. Our reality, as anything else in the chart, will eventually need to be de-conditioned and brought into a new form for evolution to proceed. Ultimately all that which is not in alignment with Natural Law in our reality will have to be let go of.  

Saturn, by house, sign, and aspects, where Capricorn in found on a cusp house, the sign on the 10th house cusp, any planets in the 10th with their own aspects to the planets, will all correlate to the structure of consciousness. Another conditioning factor to the structure of consciousness will be the collective past conditionings symbolized by the S. Node of Saturn in Capricorn (correlating to the Patriarchy). Depending where the S. Node falls in our chart it will correspond to how Patriarchy has affected our Soul in the past, the types of conditioning it has experienced, and where our current structure of consciousness is coming from (S. Node Saturn Capricorn), and where it is evolving towards (N. Node Saturn Cancer).

The degree to which the past collective conditioning will attract or repulse us will be determined by our evolutionary stage and the total signature of our current structure of consciousness. When Saturn is in an individuated or spirituated state, it will not likely accept or absorb any imposition of power and domination from the outer world or from the past conditioning. On the same token a Retrograde Saturn will throw off any limitation preventing its individuation. The Retrograde operates as a Uranus archetype. Saturn Retrograde will not relate to the social reality in place and to the conditionings from the past. It will be in a constant process of re-defining its structure of consciousness, in its own terms, until it fits who the individuality naturally is.

The total dynamic of natal Saturn, our reality, will permeate every other planet in the chart to the exception of Pluto that will be the determinant of Saturn. In other words Saturn, as our structure of consciousness and our own inner authority, will dictate the boundaries and the reality within which everything else within and beyond our consciousness operates i.e. our choices, our actions, our thoughts, our values, our beliefs, our work function, our health, our relationships, our sense of power, our individuation process, our spiritualization process, what we can or can't have, etc. All of this, independently of how each other planet is energized by house/sign placement will be permeated by the structure of consciousness signature. If Saturn is Retrograde, it will permeate every other planet with a Retrograde flavor, except to Pluto, the Soul.

As natal Saturn integrates the dynamic tension between the past and the future, it will naturally evolve its personal way of perceiving, organizing and experiencing reality in order to continue reflecting the evolutionary needs and requirements of the Soul. This evolving Saturn (with all the remaining conditioning factors) will also affect and evolve every other planet in the chart.

Evolutionary stages. Consensus-Individuated-Spiritual

In a society, each individual will respond differently to the societal conditioning they find themselves in. How an individual reflects and/or departs from that societal reality and its past collective conditionings will be determined in a large part by this individual's evolutionary stage and the specific structure of reality created by the Soul. As the Soul evolves and disassociates itself from the elements of its culture of reference and from the past collective conditionings that are not in alignment with the natural self and natural law, the establishment's oppressive, distorted, and/or obsolete ways will be gradually let go of.

When looking at a chart from an EA perspective it is essential to evaluate the evolutionary stage of an individual before making any assumption on how the archetypes will come alive in an individual's life. Here is a descriptive of the 3 evolutionary stages as presented by Linda:

1) Consensus (correlating to Saturn): the distortion of Natural Laws. The individuals within this evolutionary condition will usually continue to interpret life according to crystallized distorted core beliefs, values and moralities that are a mere extension of societal norms. They wish to remain in the security and familiarity of the past, even if those structures have become dysfunctional. They abhor change and seek security and stability. They don't seriously question what they are told to believe. For example, many will still believe that animals are to be exploited and are on a lower evolutionary scale than humans. Due to the atrophied structure of their consciousness, people in this evolutionary condition will resist the evolutionary necessity to change (Uranus) their existing reality (Saturn). This resistance usually leads to cataclysmic events that force change. Distorted beliefs and lies about oneself and others can occur from the consensus state forward.

(2) Individuated (correlating to Uranus): the expansion of awareness. The individuals within this evolutionary condition are characterized by independence in their thinking, beliefs, philosophies, and the ways they understand life. They desire to rebel and liberate from Consensus conditioning. They love change and easily embrace new ideas. Therefore, due to the progressively expanding structure of their consciousness, they will bring about personal and collective evolutionary change through rebellion, revolution, reformation, differentness, inventiveness, and ingenuity. The breaking free from consensus beliefs and lies not rooted in the actual truth of Natural Laws can begin as early as the 1st stage individuated. The wholesale collapse of consensus lies can happen at the 2nd stage individuated.

(3) Spiritual (correlating to Neptune): the expansion of consciousness into the Universal. Individuals within this evolutionary condition are aware of the Natural Laws that correlate to the nature of creation. Their interpretation of life according to natural beliefs and truths will reflect a natural, ethical and compassionate way of life. They will embrace the Natural Law of Diversity and cooperate with change as a path toward final liberation into the Universal timeless truth applicable to everyone.  

Saturn in Aries - Structure of consciousness

The structure of consciousness of Saturn in Aries can manifest in an individual chart in a wide variety of different ways. Saturn in Aries combines two cardinal archetypes that are naturally square to each other:  Aries/Mars/1H and Saturn/Capricorn/10H . This square creates a tension/stress between the Earth/Yin qualities of Saturn: "wisdom gained over time, responsibility, self-determination, reflection, patience, practicality, achievement"; and the Fire/Yang aspects of Aries such as "instinctual actions, impulsivity, passion, creativity, self-centeredness, self-discovery, breaking new grounds, courage, sense of special destiny, arrogance".

The last quarter square will creates a crisis in consciousness, a crisis in beliefs. At this evolutionary gate, the Soul questions the old crystalized form "is this is all there is?" At this juncture the square will be pushing hard Saturn in Aries to individuate the structure of consciousness until it has a more relevant meaning for the individual and is based on its personal experiences vs. a reality absorbed in from the external world. The challenge is to define consciously a reality that is yet to come since it will be based on Aries instinctual desires and experiences. In that sense the structure of reality will be in a constant state of becoming, and will be defined as the soul's desires are being actualized, one desire after the other. A sense of special destiny will be linked to defining that new reality, on a moment-to moment basis, and this will keep Saturn in Aries moving forward.

Aries is naturally square to Cancer, and Capricorn opposes Cancer (security and comfort from the past). Going forward with actions (Aries) and plans (Capricorn) represent the unknown, whereas the past represents security. Because of the fear of the unknown (cancer) cardinal archetypes will go two steps forwards and one-step back. At the end, change will prevail, and Saturn in Aries' old form or reality will have to be redefined and manifested in a new way. But this may take a long time in the context of the soul evolution"¦

Consensus people are not likely to want to change their structure of consciousness. They are comfortable following the herd, even Saturn in Aries! although it would be more comfortable leading the herd or being in some command position. Saturn in Aries in Consensus will still require freedom and independence  to act on its desires but will only act out the desires that are consistent with the group's mentality; the rest of the desires and especially the natural self will be suppressed, which may come back to haunt Aries and pisses him off without knowing why! Third stage consensus moving toward individuated will progressively begin the process of deconditioning from the consensus beliefs and its reality, but secretively to begin with. Identity crisis may become prevalent as the individual begin to detach from the status quo"¦Who am I and what am I? At 3rd stage individuated, people will most likely have their structure of consciousness in sync with who they are. Identity crisis may still be experienced in order to continue the on-going restructuration of reality via the square. In Spirituated, the identity will be working on breaking in new grounds at a spiritual level.

Depending on the soul evolutionary state, past conditioning and the dynamic of the whole chart, the combination of Capricorn as in Saturn in Aries will manifest sometimes positively and sometimes negatively. Sometimes one archetype will be dominant over the other, sometimes they won't blend at all; the pressure of the square will continue to push in order to maximize the ultimate intention of the cardinal square.

In this cardinal dance between Capricorn and Aries, the possibilities of manifestation of the combined pair are infinite. We will describe only a few of them after giving a brief overview of Capricorn and Aries archetypes.

Saturn is about personal efforts. It builds its reputation step-by-step and climbs its mountain with patience and through sheer efforts and hard won experience. It takes things seriously and is responsible for its actions. Saturn can put hours and hours in working towards a goal or a project, even if this includes a boring routine. It is aware of the limits of what can and can't be done as it doesn't want to waste time. It knows the dos and the don'ts, and follows them to be as productive as possible. The work is always done best when Saturn is in charge of it. It has work ethics and integrity and is on time with deadlines.  Saturn is known for being attached to a more traditional way and/or what works, and to being serious, cautious, judgmental and controlling.

Aries is about pure instinct. In order to actualize its desires and self-discover Aries demands unchecked expression. It will need freedom and independence, with no restriction or condition. It needs to explore new ideas and have the freedom to change directions as new ideas and desires emerge. Aries will throw off anyone or anything who attempts to restrict or control its actions. It is bold and assertive, selfish, fiery and competitive. Aries, the Ram, never steps back and will defy the odds, even though the size of their opponent would scare anyone away. It will be the first one to attack or defy an enemy. Should anyone be in its way, question its actions or restrict its freedom, Aries will either fight or flight. It sees life as an adventure or a challenge to be experienced on the spur of the moment. Aries is the pioneer, always ready for a new experience.

Saturn in Aries correlates to a structure of consciousness that has just started a brand new cycle of development. An old evolutionary cycle has closed with regard to its structure of consciousness and a brand new one is on its rise. Because of that new cycle, the Soul may choose to incarnate in a completely new social reality, as in a different race, or a new religion that will strongly impact the sense of self, or a new type of social organization that the Soul Aries has not yet experimented. It can be anything as long as it is a brand new experience.

The way in which Aries experiences the social reality, with all its norms, rules, regulations, taboos and customs, including one's relationships to the father, to the physical environment, to the work function, etc. will have a new angle and will be discovered experience after experience. In a consensus state, the soul will totally adhere to the societal reality as it is, and live accordingly, but in an Arian way. Within that reality Saturn in Aries will look for to having as many experiences as it can, for self-discovery purpose. A need for freedom and independence will be present, but it will be exercised within the confines of what is seen as acceptable to society.

A consensus person will be trained to take responsibility for their actions only if it falls within the confines of what Society states to be right or wrong. If the natural self is very much suppressed, which is most likely in Consensus, the individual may infringe on the law or what is considered moral. As a consequence Saturn in Aries will be sanctioned for any infraction and made feel bad or guilty for its actions. It may be deprived of its freedom or incur physical punishment. Individuated Saturn in Aries will tend to be the one not accepting any limitation, and use the fiery energy of Aries to assert its identity outside of the consensus. In Spirituated stage, Saturn in Aries' actions and reality will be based on timeless truths. It will take responsibility for its actions and be brave, no matter what the cost.

Saturn may fear danger. Depending on the evolutionary stage, the danger will have a different nature"¦from fear of losing its life in consensus, to the fear being sucked back by Consensus in Individuated, to the fear of not being able to fight its own inner demons in Spirituated. In that context a Saturn in Aries type will be orientated towards questions like How can I best forge a sense of self and a sense of strength that will be support me when I am facing new obstacles or new challenges (whether physical, mental, emotional or spiritual).  This structure of consciousness will need to be prepared, maybe mastering a skill of some sort, which would serve at some point, since Saturn in Aries may never know where or when the next blow might come from. One way to use this combination of energy positively  before it manifests in the world, would be to get consciously involved in such situations that require the testing of strength. This will allow the individual to face their own fear of failure and impotence, just in case they find themselves later on in dangerous or threatening situations.

Saturn in Aries will tend to be very much focused on itself, always looking for new experiences to assert the self, develop moral strength or physical endurance. Saturn in Aries may provoke others in order to get a reaction from them (polarity Libra). The feedback might be used to improve its self-assertive/defensive skills for example, conquer its own fears, and develop courage. This could be an individual interested in martial arts in order to learn to defeat adversity. If Saturn works positively with Aries, it can bring to Aries a strategy that has proven to work well in the past.

Saturn in Aries may be afraid to express its natural self, either because of the repressive nature of external Saturn, or the limitations within the soul itself. To compensate, Saturn in Aries may be combative and show an excess of self-importance in order to gain respect. It will want to prove itself to others and/or to itself, either because of that old fear of expression, or because it wants to build up its sense of self in a new way.

Because of the natural square between Cancer/Aries, there will be tension and stress relative to the self-image and its needs for security and self-consistency relative to the past. As the person initiates the new cycle and tackles a new venture, a new job, a new self-mastery technique, the egocentric nature will be challenged to adapt to the new, and this is likely to bring emotional insecurities to the surface.

In its pure raw form Saturn in Aries energy will act out any instinctual desires it receives from the Soul, not knowing why or where they come from, and what is next. This may be challenging for Aries to consciously define its reality not knowing what is to come. The challenge for Saturn in Aries will be to create an inner security, a solid foundation from where it can face the world with confidence, and trust the desires that are emerging.

Aries is part of the Fire Triad along with Leo and Sagittarius. The combination of these 3 archetypes represents "the Soul's full actualization process or how the person will act out and actualize the sense of special destiny in all its totality" (Deva). Each archetype will focus on a specific aspect of the actualization process, Leo, being the creative process, Sagittarius the search for the truth. In Aries the actualization process is linked to becoming. In that new evolutionary cycle, all 3 archetypes will feel that they have a special destiny to fulfill, something to actualize.

Saturn in Aries' sense of destiny will be related to actualizing any desire relative to exploring its reality and who and what it is within it. It may have the desire to master new aspects of the self via the body. The soul may choose to be born in a new type of body, to experience a new way of using a body within a certain social reality, maybe choosing a small and weak body vs. one that is strong and powerful; it could be also a new way to being in control of one's body or using surgery to re-define its boundaries or its gender. A soul could choose to be born into a body without limbs to experience a lack of control and/or defense, with the intention to work on courage and develop a sense of self independently of its physical strength. All this could be part of a new reality that the soul is experiencing and discovering bit by bit at a social or personal level.  

In consensus, body-builders or athletes may be learning a new strategy for developing the strength of the body. In Individuated the body may be used to affirm its difference, its independence from the status quo as with having tattoos reflecting individuation's symbols, or choose to being in a relationship (polarity Libra) with someone from a different social standing. In Spirituated stage Saturn in Aries may become a breatharian (a Arian Breath!!!) and live on life-force only, therefore mastering the art of changing the structure and vibration of its being.

Sometimes the sense of special destiny may give Saturn in Aries an inflated sense of self-importance even though they have not yet taken any step towards it. It may be someone who has already printed their business cards before having even taken any step toward starting their business. That sense of special destiny, not yet formulated in the structure of consciousness of a Saturn in Aries, is what will pull the individual forward in order to discover what is not yet known, what is to come, what that new venture is all about.

If Saturn is in sync with Aries, it can really be a productive and creative combination; Aries bringing all the excitement at the idea of starting something new, of breaking in new ground, of pioneering, of innovating, of being the first! Saturn will naturally want to direct that energized and raw energy into something durable and of use to the community. In Consensus it could be someone using their physical abilities to build housing for the community. In Individuated that physical energy may be used to build an innovative and more natural house structure. In spirituated it could be building a spiritual center.

Aries' driving force, that instinctual and passionate force that rushes into the new, into the unknown may be controlled by Saturn who manifests it in a form that is acceptable to society, but one that has lost its newness or its creative zest. This may happen when Saturn is in a state of fear or overly cautious or too concern with society's feedback. Again this is likely to take place in consensus state or in other evolutionary states where some old conditioning are still present.

Because of the last quarter cardinal square, the Soul will be pressured to question its reality and the way it is acting on it, and eventually will individuate it. With Saturn in Aries one can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. Therefore the way Saturn in Aries will need to create and structure its new reality on the spur of the moment may displease the collective or the neighbors. But this is the price to pay to breaking in new grounds.

Saturn in Aries will not know the reason as to why or where new desires come from. The Aries part will just act on them, and set in motion what is ahead, what is to come. With such a structure in consciousness, and when venturing into those experiences head-on, Saturn will learn on an action-reaction basis. It will be intense and felt at every moment. Through those experiences Saturn in Aries will be aiming at "discovering, developing or recovering" its intrinsic and natural identity in order to establish its reality on its own terms. Saturn in Aries will want to know what it is made of, how far it can go, and who and what it is as separate from anyone else. Each new experience will be built upon the other, and will bring Saturn closer to discovering, becoming and embodying that sense of self and the new reality.

(to be continued"¦work function / health/ gender assignment/ relationship (Aries polarity Libra) / Family (cancer)

Saturn in Aries -Patriarchal overtone and conditioning  

Last quarter square- Aries/Capricorn

The energies of Capricorn and Aries don't blend easily: "fear with courage, assertion with control, impulse with discipline". Aries/Mars/1H correlates to anger and violence in any form, Saturn to repression and control. In Aries, anger can be directed toward anything or anyone who restricts freedom and independence in order to grow, and initiate whatever new experience is deemed necessary. In Saturn, tradition and caution will prevail.

For obvious reasons and due to the paradoxical nature of these two archetypes, Saturn in Aries will "consciously or unconsciously gravitate towards situations where its capacity for strength, endurance and stamina (whether at a physical, emotional, mental or spiritual level depending on other factors in the chart) will be tested and stretched-sometimes to near breaking-point".

When working together Saturn in Aries can correlate to "cautious daring and the ability to control and direct the will so that the achievement of great things becomes possible". Once again the natural Last Quarter square between Aries and Capricorn will create a crisis of consciousness, a crisis in beliefs. Something needs to change. The social structure as it was known has been tested and it is time to release it and change it, but with what? Each archetype will have to work with the other in order to release whatever is obsolete and crystalized in the way things have been done so far, whether in Aries or in Saturn. One desire after the other, Saturn in Aries will become more conscious of what needs to be let go of.

Eventually Aries will have to learn that the price for his freedom is to act responsibly and within the parameters of society. Saturn will have to recognize and incorporate Aries's natural self and need for freedom in order to actualize the Soul's desires, which is how it will become more aware of itself and its structure of consciousness.

Until that natural integration takes place, there will be a tug-of-war between those two energies. The conflict will be experienced either inside or outside the individual. If it's inside, one's energy will try to dominate the other and vice versa. If the Saturnian archetype is projected onto somebody or something outside of itself, the individual will tend to attract authority figures and defy them. If the Marsian principle is projected out, the individual will attract defiant or impulsive people whom it will try to control or restraint, but in vain.

The negative tension and distorted expression of the cardinal square (in conjunction with Cancer and Libra and S. Node in Capricorn) is what we have inherited from the Patriarchy. Since most societies today operate from the principles of dominion and exclusion, Aries energy has a hard time finding a healthy outlet for its natural expression. When Saturn in Aries is heavily conditioned by the patriarchy, all the distortions of that archetype are emphasized. Those distorted energies are nowadays and has been, for a long time, embedded in the consensus state in overt and/or covert ways. In higher state of consciousness, the negative expressions and distorted aspects of the square are still present to a certain degree, because of the unresolved dynamics from past conditionings, but Saturn in Aries is more likely to gradually recognize its presence and impact, and apply itself towards breaking away from those old conditioning patterns.

A Saturn in Aries may have been or be in situations of being a "scapegoat, the whipping boy, the person who is dominated, or born into a familial environment where control and discipline were implemented in a repressive and harmful way. The individual with Saturn in Aries might have difficulty expressing anger as a result, as anger is not encouraged by society or by its parents reinforcing the message "It's wrong to lose your temper". However in the private scene the parents may use anger and abusive means to not let the child have its own voice; maybe the child is being told it is useless to express anger as it won't change anything. As a result of stuffing it in, Saturn in Aries can suffer great rage inside, sometimes so deep that they don't even know it is there.  A distorted expression of Saturn in Aries signature can show paralysis of the will due to the fear of the Father, or the Authority, the one who holds the whip. They may be then too afraid to assert themselves and initiate whatever they want in life. Or they may know deep inside that if they let it out, they may go too far.  

With that distorted senses of reality there can either be an inability to assert itself or, on the opposite, a demonstration of extreme self-will, such as aggressively confronting the authority or father figure in order to establish one's domination. As a result Saturn in Aries may be a structure of consciousness that will want to create a new social reality in order to express their repressed anger and rage. It could correlate to gangs or terrorists' activities fighting in the name of or against a certain structure of reality. What happened recently at Charlie Hebdo in Paris is one of the many recent examples of it. Since the natural self has not had a chance to be cultivated, anger and violence take over and are projected on whatever Saturn in Aries sees as the source of its frustration or oppression.

Indeed Saturn in Aries can fly into the most terrific rages when they let loose. The anger has been contained for so long that when it is pushed too far, it explodes. But usually Saturn in Aries would "let it out only when it is safe to do so, perhaps in the presence of, or directed towards, seemingly weaker individuals who are unlikely to retaliate, such as a defenseless wife or a child", or individuals who are not equipped or free to defend themselves and their lives, such as prisoners or hostages.

Saturn in Aries can be an exceptionally courageous combination. However with the square and the conditioning of Patriarchy, it can either be overly asserting its will, or frightened and harbor a lack courage deep inside no matter how much it compensates for on the outside. Saturn in Aries may be put off by competition because of the fear of losing, or of being hurt. The fear of challenging somebody or itself is directly linked to the fear of being defeating or not winning. With Saturn in Aries there is definitively the fear of not succeeding as one sees itself as weak and fearful. Unfortunately all this will stifle the individual's natural Arian impulse to dare, to initiate, to confront and to compete in a natural and healthy way.

Matriarchy vs. Patriarchy

As a species on earth, we have all been collectively imprinted by the past collective conditioning reflected in the S. Node of Saturn in Capricorn, as well as in the S. Node of Pluto and S. Node of Jupiter in Capricorn. The S. Node of Saturn is "the operative principle from the "past" (Rad) which has been brought into the current life, affecting natal Saturn. The S. Node of Saturn in Capricorn correlates to the transition from natural times, the matriarchy, to the patriarchy. It is the past collective conditioning that all humans alive right now share in common. As a result, all Souls on earth are linked to that historical time whether they actually lived at that time or not. "It is the COLLECTIVE MEMORY of that time that all Souls will draw upon as reflected in the current life they are living" (Rad).

As a species having experienced or having been imprinted energetically by the transition from Matriarchy to Patriarchy, we, humans are now "revisiting the time of the patriarchal take-over in order to metamorphose, eliminate and dissolve the artificial beliefs of the patriarchy" (Rad). The task for us is "to move beyond the conformity of existing reality as defined by the consensus" (Rad) i.e domination and exclusion, and bring back the principles of sharing and inclusion within into our societal and individual structures and forms.

In order to understand the difference in manifestation between the Matriarchy and the Patriarchy when Saturn conditions Aries, let's see now how the archetypes of Capricorn and Aries in square to each other might be dealt differently in a community governed by Natural Law and the principles of sharing and inclusion vs. in a society ruled by the principles of dominion and exclusion.  

"Natural square" vs. "Patriarchal square"

Let's imagine an individual with Saturn in Aries living in a community governed by Natural Principles. The natural expression of the cardinal square could be potentially found in Matriarchal times, and/or possibly in some removed tribes still operating around Natural Law.

Once upon a day, our young and independent Saturn in Aries male had an impulse and naturally acted on it, unaware of how this could ever affect anyone around. Maybe it was a separating desire, maybe not. We don't know. Soon after, Saturn in Aries is called in front of the council. Having to face the community's elders, they give Saturn in Aries an opportunity to freely express what happened, and the reasons for his actions.

Saturn in Aries is not happy to hear something negative about his actions and how they seem to be standing counter-productive to the group's well-being and safety. All he can think of right now is how limited and restrained he feels relative to what he is hearing. Blood rushes through his face; all his muscles are tense and he is ready to respond to the attack...

Via the polarity of Libra, feedback is given to him on what members experienced, and some of the danger they were exposed to as a result of his actions. Saturn in Aries is restless, impatient and fidgeting. He is listening half-way through as the elders speak, his head is spinning. He feels a big knot in his stomach and he is not close to admit any fault.

After some talking back and forth, Saturn in Aries is invited to take time to re-evaluate his actions in the context of what's best for everyone concerned. The elders' intentions are to coach and support Saturn in Aries in examining the nature of his desires and how they are not only detrimental to his best interest but they also go against the best interest of the group.

When the council is over, Saturn in Aries is relieved. He just wants to go and be alone. He walks away, frowning and passing by everyone as they were not existent. He is frustrated and heading down towards the river. As soon as he is out of the village's settlement he starts running as fast as he can. Miles and miles he runs, running long and hard along the river's bank. His frustration takes him far into the deep forest. His bare feet are now sore; he is tired, cold and hungry. It's almost dark; there are frightening noises all around, probably coming from wild animals close by. It's too late to make it back and Saturn in Aries feels scared. What to do next? Looking left and right, he suddenly decides to climb that big tree. After some strenuous efforts, he reaches the top and sits. As he still tries to defend his actions to himself, he ends up feeling drained and lonely.

As the night settles in, he now listens to the anger inside. In the back of his mind he hears the comments from the group, and how he only thinks of himself. He feels a little bit guilty. Why did I do that? Who and what am I to do that?

He passes in review the faces of all the people of his community, and how they have been good to him. His heart aches.

As Aries finds the courage to see the reality as others see it (Libra), he begins to confront his selfish nature. In a flash he realizes how his actions have led the community to think of him in the way they do. He sees now where he went wrong and how he has endangered the group. He feels now really guilty for being so careless (inconjunct Virgo), and this humbles him. The confrontation from others (inconjunct Scorpio) allows him to expand his awareness of himself. As a result he is breaking new ground, transforming his identity and his sense of self. Saturn in Aries is now in the process of shifting the perception of his reality, redefining in a new way the way he sees his actions.

Under the wise guidance of the elders and the gift of being left alone to figure things out, Saturn Aries has found the courage to go inside and, on his own, creates that secure place from within (Cancer) where he can see the consequences of his own actions (Cap). By using his inner warrior energy (Aries), he is able to remove and cut whatever was in the way of seeing himself as he is.

He has just killed the dragon inside. An emotional maturation is taking place, and with it more self-awareness and self-knowledge. A new self-image is now forming...

As Saturn in Aries re-adjusts his self-image and take responsibility for his actions, he can see how childish, arrogant and self-centered it was to think only of himself. As his heart opens up, he remembers the wisdom of the elders and their ways of acting in the best interest of the community. A desire of being a better man and a better member of its community suddenly invades him. He realizes that his freedom and strength would have a higher meaning and value to him if put to the service of the community.

As this thought rushes through his head, a new desire is born in him"¦offering his natural and physical skills to protect the community from any external danger and harm, instead of spending time challenging other males to compete with him in order to prove his physical strength.

An old cycle has closed, and a new one is on its rise. With this new emerging desire Saturn in Aries feels proud and excited about what's ahead. He falls asleep, happy and at peace. In the morning he wakes up, rested and with a stronger sense of self. The past is already forgotten and all that matters is what's in front of him.

Saturn in Aries has conquered his self-centeredness. By breaking free from it and creating a positive change he has naturally resolved the tension of the square between Aries and Capricorn. The new felt-sense of special destiny takes him back home, where his people are, and need him. He doesn't know what he will do next to reach his goal, but he trusts that he will know, when time comes.

Upon his return, the whole community is welcoming him back. The elders know that the wise voice inside has spoken to him, and that it has been heard. They smile and nod their heads...they know that Saturn in Aries' independence and willfulness will now be put to good use, that he has learned his lesson, and that his leadership qualities will now come out and be directed toward building a community where everyone is honored and respected for who they naturally are and for contributing to the whole in an equal way.    

Saturn in Aries' story revisited under Patriarchal conditioning

In Patriarchal society, if Saturn in Aries would have acted against society's norms, rules, regulations and taboos, there would be little room if any, for such a mutual support between an individual and the group. When under the principles of dominion and control, there is no understanding of a person's natural self. Therefore the choice for Saturn in Aries would have been to either submit to the authority, or act out and endure the prescribed negative consequences of its actions, such as being thrown in jail. In such environment, there would be usually an internalized fear of authority and/or a hate, because of the fear of the consequences and the fear of being oneself.

In Patriarchal communities, there is no healthy and natural respect for authority as found in the wise matriarchal council of elders, because the leaders are rarely chosen for their wisdom, and if there is any in them, chances are that it will soon be corrupted or threatened by the rest of the establishment.

Now this is not to say that in matriarchal times, conflict didn't exist and everything was resolved easily and peacefully at all times. A square is still a square, but a community based on the principles of sharing and inclusion is more likely to condition its members in a mutual and supportive way, acknowledging each others' natural sense of self and abilities. Like a seed planted in a rich soil is likely to give birth to a healthier tree, the positive orientation of a society is likely to give birth to a healthier way of life and interaction between its members.  

When the natural energy of Aries is repressed and forbidden to come out, it becomes distorted. A distorted energy expresses itself as defiant, angry or rageful. This rage is either turned towards the self, towards others, towards the group, or towards God/ess. With no healthy resolution, the tension of the square in a patriarchal society remains unresolved, and with it, the negative and unhealthy anger keeps building up. This energy contaminates the whole social system and all its institutions; it hurts innocent people like parents/family, co-workers, older people, children, spouses, minority groups, animals, nature, etc. At the end everyone and everything is permeated with that energy, no exception.

We all have Aries and Capricorn in tension within us. We all need to fight and heal anything within us that is still a part of this distorted reality, anything that is still resonating and feeding the Patriarchy. As we do, the cardinal square, in us and in society will have achieved its ultimate goal.

Thanks, Rad, for your feedback and important corrections to my latest Saturn assignment.

Linda

Hi Gypsie,

Your EA work on this segment of our Saturn thread, to me, is simply breathtaking. You are demonstrating such a keen understanding of the core of EA itself in all that you wrote about Saturn in Aries. Indeed, with your Saturn retrograde in Sagittarius you are simply a natural teacher that is reflected in every sentence that you have written.

The sheer scope and breath of what you have written demonstrates a comprehensive understanding of all the EA principles as manifested through this segment of Saturn in Aries. Within this you are also, to me, a natural story teller in that the stories contain the very principles that you are writing and teaching about. This is one of the very best ways to help others understand and learn. It is the NATURAL way of things.

Everything that you have written about is as accurate as it is profound and accessible. While I was reading through it I thought of JWG and all the years he spent doing what he did to teach and spread EA, all the lands he visited to do so. And in reading what you have written I know it would simply make his Soul beam because of Soul's like yours who have so naturally and perfectly grasped that which he taught. And, like him, you have your own natural destiny to teach, council, and help others.

BRAVO Gypsie.

God Bless, Rad

Dear Rad,

Thank you for your time and attention to support my efforts by offering necessary additions and corrections to my post. It continues to be a deepening learning growth process.

It was helpful that you inserted the comments with bold where the work needed to be adjusted, it allowed for an immediate understanding of the necessary adjustments..thank you!

and WOW yes, Gypsie, welcome aboard ....I am ever so impressed with your work, a true EA natural.

Warmly,
Kristin

Hi Rad,
I very much appreciate your precious feedback and comments. It was encouraging and exciting to hear all that which you had to say.
There are still many more mountains to climb, so I am looking forward to continue exploring Saturn in conjunction with other archetypes under your guidance.
Gypsie

PS: Thanks for your warm welcome Kristin!

Hi Gypsie,

Really great first post! Nice refreshing writing style.

All the best

Hi Gypsie, Skywalker, Linda, and Kristin ....

So let's move forwards now with our Saturn thread by putting Saturn in Taurus, and focusing on the core archetypes that correlate with the type of structural consciousness with Saturn in this sign. Within the core of these archetypes if you wish to also discuss how those archetypes would manifest in the different EA state then please do so. Taurus is of course naturally trine, a disseminating trine, to Capricorn.

Let's make our due date Friday, February 13th.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Thanks Skywalker!
Gypsie

The Saturn in Taurus Soul's conditioning in all past lives lead it to the current life where all conditions - egocentric structure, structure of consciousness, complete reality, society, culture, country, social role - are chosen for its ongoing evolutionary journey.  The Taurus reality shares many similarities with Saturn:  they are both Earth/Yin archetypes and generally share similar values in areas of materialism, possessions, finances, security, grounding, stability and earthly success which assures surviving and thriving.  Past life behavior patterns include being haunted by a gnawing sense of guilt if the Soul had used devious means to amass wealth;  suppression of emotions;  shut down and isolation;  starvation-poverty;  fall from grace;  and thievery.  

Withdrawal is necessary for Saturn in Taurus in order to expand upon its limited vision and discover from within itself more about life in general.  Progress is very plodding with this combination;  changes occur very slowly due to the hesitancy to come out of the well, experience a larger vision of life, unblock the emotions and heal hang-ups.  With the Taurus connection to Capricorn (Saturn), it is very hard for these Souls to change.  

If it weren't for the Taurus archetype, the human species would have trouble in surviving and preserving the species through procreation.  The Soul with Saturn in Taurus has a very strong sexual nature.  However, the biological instinct for survival can be so strong that it can lead to prostitution, over-accumulation of material possessions, living vicariously through affluent people, and marrying into money.  Due to the emphasized need to survive and sustain itself physically and emotionally, the Soul's material needs can be like a bottomless pit due to a subconscious fear of losing.    

The Soul can become miserly, worry too much and become fearful about not having enough money.  This can create a poverty consciousness.  On the other hand, some may accumulate vast sums of money and possessions the distorted energies of which can lead to manipulating others and using devious/illegal means to acquire resources, power and status.  This can quite easily lead to a fall from grace.  Some of these Souls can become lazy, devious, underhanded, possessive, use their sexual power to manipulate others, or live beyond their means.  This creates being haunted by deep remorse, guilt, fear and gloom.  These emotions can lead to the lesson that abundance does not equal happiness or emotional security.  

The Soul strives to create stable structures which provide it with a sense of security, stability, and preservation that allows survival on the physical plane and stability on the emotional plane.  However all structures are in the process of changing when Pluto brings about the end of one form so that another form can be brought to life.  The Soul can resist change rooted in the need to maintain security for survival purposes.  For the transformation of consciousness to occur, the crystallized energies of Saturn and the fixed energies of Taurus must first be broken down before new structures can be introduced.    

The Taurean psychology of inner hearing/dialoguing resonates inwardly with fixed survival issues that have become crystallized in consciousness.  It may be hard to budge the Saturn in Taurus Soul when it fears for its very existence.  Security is a function of self-consistency, familiarity, the past and the known versus the insecurity of the unknown or potential future.  For this reason the Soul will have a tendency to repeat its past over and over and will desire to make only minimal change.  

When the Soul cooperates with the force of evolution, and is forced out of the well of its own isolation-withdrawal-stagnation, then Saturn in Taurus can be seen as the alchemist, turning lead into gold, poverty into bounty, miserliness/hoarding into sharing.  The gold is revealed to not only encompass materialistic values but also self-knowledge such as one's own motivational patterns and reasons for certain desires.  In this way the Soul's value system undergoes metamorphosis, and a new reality is created, one that is less distorted, and based on Natural Laws, not man-made ideas-fears-competitiveness-greed, etc.  

A Consensus Soul will identify material values for self-sustainment;  an Individuated Soul will identify itself as the resource;  and a Spiritual Soul understands that the Universe provides.  The Individuated and Spiritual Souls will use their sexual energy to expand their consciousness.  The Spiritual Soul must deepen its spiritual commitment, learn to share, and not remain isolated.  As the Spiritual Soul evolves it will no longer identify with the security patterns of the egocentric structure.  Through a re-evaluation of values, security patterns change altogether.  The Soul learns that true security lies in developing more trust and surrendering into the Universal.  Due to a very strong sexual nature, Souls at all evolutionary levels will need to release the emotional build-up of energy in physical/sexual ways.

Taurus correlates to the inner relationship the Soul has with itself.  From the orientation of inner values, external relationships to others are formed in terms of the Soul's needs.  The Soul may project its needs onto others who are perceived to be successful, mature, wise, self-sufficient and resourceful.  At certain points, the Soul can learn through key people who come into its life.  These people will promote self-effort and self-reliance rather than dependency upon themselves.  

An acute lesson for the Soul with Saturn in Taurus is to learn to meet its own needs - and develop self-reliance - rather than project these needs onto partners and others in general.  Therefore it becomes imperative that the Soul develops itself as its own resource or its own symbol of transformation and learns to rely on its own inner resources in order to develop personal worth, personal value and self-esteem.  

The Soul with Saturn in Taurus will desire to make a contribution to its society, and ultimately to the Universe, that is a very real accomplishment on the materialistic plane of existence.  But first the Soul will need to come out of its well, merge with others, and open up to others so that the limitation of its isolation can be revealed.  It must learn how to apply its resources, gifts and capabilities to society and to others in ways that are compatible with others' value systems.  

Relative to the Soul's evolutionary condition, a true life purpose will be expressed through work or career that will give value, meaning and purpose to the life.  The Soul will generally work tirelessly to build structures that will last, and will approach work in a patient, determined, disciplined and organized manner.  The essential lesson for Souls with Saturn in Taurus is to learn how sustain themselves in the world financially.  In this way they can merge/share themselves/their resources with others without becoming dependent, and promote self-reliance in others.  Some occupations for Saturn in Taurus:  landowner, farmer, carpenter, shepherd, gardener, banker, decorator, chef.    

Every Soul currently has the South Node of Saturn (and Pluto and Jupiter) in Capricorn correlating to the structural nature of consciousness in prior lives and the transition from the natural Matriarchy to the patriarchy. All Souls are in the evolutionary process of revisiting the time of the patriarchal take-over in order to metamorphose, eliminate and dissolve the artificial beliefs of the patriarchy.  Through the North Nodes of Saturn (and Pluto and Jupiter) in Cancer our collective group of Souls is learning how to live in absolute balance with Natural Laws and Nature.  We are returning to Matriarchal principles by re-aligning with the true self-image of what it means to live in harmony with the Earth, our home and mother.  

These Planetary North Nodes in Cancer serve as a vehicle for the evolutionary future to manifest:  and therefore a new reality to manifest.  Currently all Souls are presented with a challenge with the South Nodes of Saturn-Pluto-Jupiter in Capricorn, the operative principle from the "past" being Saturn:  that is, the need to move beyond the conformity of existing reality as defined by the consensus.  For an evolving Soul with Saturn in Taurus, this means stopping the repression of natural sexuality, enjoying the natural pleasures of the body through sensuality, and re-aligning with the Earth, Nature, beauty, patience, wholesomeness, and God's Light.


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Thanks so much Rad, and EA friends.  

I did this one quickly as I am now working on finalizing the EA Glossary Update for 2015.   ;D

HI Rad,

If possible, I would like to request a few more days on our Saturn in Taurus/2nd assignment as Sundays are the only real day I can spend time on these posts and this past Sunday I had very little time to work on it. May I turn mine in by Monday morning?

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Kristin,

Sure, Monday it is then.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and group,

I´m also a little behind on my assignment so if it´s o.k. I will also turn it in on Monday. Sorry for the delay.

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Of course.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
I am close to complete my assignment. It is a bit extensive but once again I am learning and assimilating so much by doing so. I don't want to impose the length of my assignment onto you or the group. The best I could do at this point, so that the text still makes sense, is to split it in 2 parts, one with the structure of consciousness inTaurus and the trine, the other in which I present Saturn inTaurus structure of consciousness by evolutionary sub-stage. Let me know which part you would prefer, or if I should post the whole text. Thanks. Gypsie.

Hi Gypsie,

Go ahead and post all of it at once.

God Bless, Rad

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Earth follows fire, Fixed follows Cardinal, 1st house Aries is all about self discovery, now the Saturn in Taurus needs to withdraw and turn in, as a result they have an internalized conscious, often times narcissistic focus in order to discover their own values and needs from within, to deepen their inner relationship to themselves, and to mold this into something substantial and finite from an earthly point of view, giving value, meaning and purpose to that which was initiated in the 1st house.

Saturn in Taurus Souls are fixed and rooted in themselves. There is a strong desire for consistency and stability but life is transitory, we live in a changing world that will inevitably challenge that base. They resist change at all costs and so in order to protect themselves, they invert their energy, creating a fortress around their Soul, similar to a frog in the well, a place where they feel safe, and have a true and total (from their point of view) visual of reality, but this is only one small version of the sky, which they have come to view as the entire universe. There is so much safety there, as it has proven 'to work'.

The reliance upon the past, or what one knows, can create an apathy or laziness, and a resistance to jumping out and trying new things. The degree of the resistance will depend on other factors in the chart, including Pluto and node placements, but in varying degrees this resistance will be in place. They can be creatures of habit, the hermit, the fisherman, the yogi and in more ancient times the caveman, where all he needed was his spear, a jug of water, fire and shelter. They tend to be perfectly happy alone, often times happier alone than with others, with a fear of sharing intimacy and space as a result of trust issues seen in the Scorpio polarity as well as a fear losing themselves in the merging/fusion with another. For to be alive is to survive, Taurus, and to merge with another, Scorpio, is death, death of themselves. They tend to not 'need' anyone else and they do not want to be vulnerable with someone else for they do not want the emotional intertwining. The fear of sharing is also due to their feelings of never having enough, so to share means to cut in half what they already feel they do not have enough of.  At the very least, they need to retreat at times, with periods of isolation, in order to ground themselves and recover their inner sense of self, safety and security. The challenge that the frog in the well syndrome also invites is that they are only aware of the piece of the sky that they see, and because they have mastered this view, they can come across as being the self perceived expert, ever so fixed in their version and point of view, as if it is the only view to be had, it is a view they have invested their entire Soul survival into.

Saturn in Taurus/2nd house's front line is survival. Taurus and the second house directly connects to physical and survival of the species, which leads to a fiercely strong survival instinct. Within this, they are learning lessons in self reliance and self sufficiency perhaps due to a life or lives where they lost everything, so they may be born into a culture or family where this lesson would be enforced. Consider for example, a Soul who had a past life in the American Indian times where they were living in perfect harmony with the land and the traditions of their tribal culture. At some point, the white man enters and destroys every sense of security that this Soul had come to rely upon, including the lives of those he loved. Imagine that this Soul was one of few survivors in his own tribe. This would require him to totally rely upon himself for his survival in every way, in some cases in every moment of every day. Since we pick up where we left off, this Soul enters this current life with Saturn in Taurus, or Saturn in the second house, He would have a recent cellular memory of having everything that he came to value being stripped from him, where all he had left was the shirt on his back. Would he not then come into this life with an instinct to simply survive? He would have a practical approach to how he lived in every way, including material possessions. He would live simply and with very little in case his survival was once again on the line and he had to take every with him in a hurry. For this Soul, any additional unnecessary belongings would only equal added weight.

Wherever Saturn is stationed, implies a limitation. With Saturn in Taurus or the second house, this Soul would experience fears of feeling as if there was never enough funds, so they can be very frugal due to past lives where they were the one left holding the bag or left totally alone to fend for themsleves. This can result in a Soul who experiences a feeling of lack in resources, so can be practical to the point of having a death grip on the money. For some, due to perhaps past lives with limited resources and starvation occurring, this can create a poor man psychology where one lives meagerly, at times barely making it all. It can also create the situation where the Soul ends up having a comfortable saving account, spending next to nothing on anything for themselves, as a result they are able to put a great deal of money in the bank, money that is rarely, if ever touched.

In some cases, the money can prove to be never enough, even a million in the bank would not suffice, and every time a monetary goal is reached the bar is raised yet again, for they can always imagine something that might occur that would wipe it all out, so they continue to save every penny. The motivation being the memory of having nothing, as their Soul echos the words, 'That will never happen to me again." and they will do just about everything in their power to ensure that this is true. As a result, they are extremely disciplined and determined to survive well at all costs.

Another result of this Saturn placement could be due to being born into families where the father had great wealth and then mis-used his resources or due to a regime overthrow in another time, so it became a feast to famine situation, going from a very wealthy family to having nothing at all, so even if a Soul in this case was born into families with money, they would still want to work for everything they had, in case it all went 'to hell in a hand bag', they would know that they would have enough on their own to survive. I have seen this in female clients chart who are married to men who are very 'well to do', yet they still work a job to earn even a meager amount for themselves, 'just in case'. In some cases Souls, born with Saturn in the 2nd or in Taurus will be born into families where there is an overall feeling of ongoing lack, specifically monetarily speaking. The Soul may be living in an environment where they are forced to live on very little to survive in order to enforce this ongoing lesson of self reliance. It could also be a situation where the Soul is born into a family of great wealth but are denied the luxuries that this lifestyle offers. For example,  a child forced to work for everything they receive and very few presents for the children under the millionaire's family Christmas tree. In this case, the parents may be teaching the kids the value of money, "we earned ours, you will earn yours." It can also be a situation where the child will only get their parents help if it is alignnment with their own values. For example, I will only pay for college if you go to med school not if you want to attend art school, stipulations and conditions for the financial help. The Soul who naturally wants to become an artist would be forced to go at it alone, on their own.

This Saturn in Taurus/2nd house signature could also play out in another extreme seen with the hoarder, who is a person who accumulates food or belongings due to a fear of scarcity. Hoarding is linked with an anxiety disorder connected to the fear of losing everything, the more they hang onto, the more security they may feel to have. The perceived importance of the hoarded items far exceed their true value. They carry the fear that they may end up on the street one day with their belongings and a cart. There can be such a fear surrounding losing everything or not having enough, a Saturn in Taurus/2nd house  has been known for cataloging the number of tshirts and socks and storing beans and rice in air tight bags in case of a disaster. ( I realize storing of food may be smart for all of us in this day and age)


Saturn, the ruler for Capricorn, and Taurus are both earth energy, and together they form a natural disseminating trine by sign and association. Together they offer complimentary strengths, energizing a vibration of organization, patience, determination, and one who can live on little as they build their fortune, they embody tremendous inner strength due to the challenges they have endured. The disseminating trine suggests an angle of ease in integrating their work in the world in a way that allows for earning to generate a secure base with the potential to build wealth over time, although with Saturn in the 2nd or in Taurus, they may always feel as if life is an uphill battle, that they are 'working hard for the money". They may not need to be, but feel that they must, for survival will always feel to be on the line. Because survival is so vital for the security of this Soul, they may align themselves with people in power, or work to gain proximity to people in power, to the point where they feel or act as if they yield it, increasing their feelings of security.

Souls with this signature will feel they are finally able to disseminate their social purpose to the stage of life, "a full blown integration into the world", the evolving purpose which they started all the way back in the new phase. There is an unwavering focus, strength, and a conviction of direction that is bridled with un-paralleled determination. They are clear and they know what they need to do to reach their goals. They are planners who need to work with something of substance, similar to the analogy of planting seeds, watering the cops and looking forward to the harvest they produce, something that is tangible, measurable and relatively predictable. They prefer it simple in this way so there is no drama, and no conflict, as the fixed energy wants results they can count on. They will not choose fluctuating fields and markets that go beyond their control, as in the high risk stock market, for conflict equals change and change equals vulnerability which ultimately equals death and metamorphoses, which is what they fear the most. They will at this stage learn how to make the system work for them, so even if they are bringing something unique to the world, they will come to know the rules and play by the rules in place in order to bring a better and safe return for their efforts and investment. They will bring their ideas forward without being viewed as a threat to others. As JWG writes, ""If you can't beat 'em, join em." The challenge is to join them without them knowing that you haven't really joined, for life cannot remain crystallized, "we have to have new blood" in order for the species to evolve via new ideas, concepts and new visions. In any case, the disseminating trine seen with Saturn in Taurus, allows the Soul to establish and to actualize what they came here to do and be. However with the polarity of the crescent phase in place, it can be so tempting to rebel against the social bull shit of countless laws and regulations, the Soul may be tempted to go small and to isolate, live off the grid if possible. The disseminating trine does need social interaction, so the key for these Souls will be periodic isolation versus consistent isolation.

Saturn in Taurus may also equal a Soul who is learning discipline or a Soul who can be lazy, due to becoming comfortable with what it knows and what it has. It can also equal the exact opposite where
everything in this Soul's life is so disciplined, that they won't cut  loose on a penny for anything.
The Soul may also be learning responsibility with resources, money and financial concerns being taken place by other people as in the monastic life, so they may be learning how to be more functionally in control of the money one needs, to account for what one spends or has versus renouncing all possessions and depending on the ashram for these concerns. They can use their discipline as well by physically building something, seeing a beginning, middle and end to the process, and gaining visible proof of the progress of something they have managed and mastered.


Saturn in Taurus/2nd house has a strong sexual and physical nature due to the instinctual impulse to procreate the species linked with the Taurus/2nd house archetype. However, with Saturn in this house or sign, it suggests there could also be a repression of this natural need to release whereby this build up can lead to emotional instability. There will be a need to experience a cyclic release of this energy in order for this Soul to feel balanced and secure. It may be too for some with this signature, that they are made to feel guilty, due to patriarchal influences, about this natural need for release as it will need to occur on a sustained basis. It serves to support the bottom line base of stability and so a consistent tending to this inner sexual surge will be key in order for this Soul to feel grounded.

Souls with this Saturn placement may use their sexuality to get what they want, to control and manipulate their partner in some way, either by withholding sexual activity or by using their sexuality to get something that they want. In more advanced stages of evolution, these Souls must develop rituals and techniques in order to merge and fuse more deeply, using sexual union in order to expand their consciousness and to transcend this plane of existence, such as the rituals found in Tantric Yoga, which originated in Tibet. They are learning how to merge with another without becoming dependent on that which they merge with, thus the ongoing lessons in self reliance continue to occur in order to continue to transform the existing limitations that they brought with them into this life.

Saturn in Taurus/house has strong and highly developed senses and are very in touch with how things feel. They will have a sharp sense of smell, taste and touch, and they will have a keen 'eye' for things, appreciating the beauty in what the senses offer, appreciating visual elements of what is outside of us for example, the gift of a musical ear, a love of fine wine , rich chocolate and of high quality textures.

In the consensus or herd state, material possessions, lead to self sustainment and security. For those who link material values to self sustainment, the limitations are the values themselves. For there will feel to never be enough, which leads to a bottomless pit of need. The fear of losing it all in a past life can be so great that they will build and build feeling that at some point this physical security will bring emotional security, but that never comes. Souls in the consensus state will link physical security with possessions and money, which ultimately givens them power, so it can become an ongoing quest for more, more, more. Some professions that may be chosen by Souls with Saturn in Taurus/2nd are farmers, grape growers for wine, contractors, builders, carpenters, conservative money makers and financial planners, financial analysts, chefs and bakers, work in the textile industry. By the time they have reached the Individuated State, they have identified that they are the resource that lead to the self sustainment, and they can build upon what they know, and create their own masterpieces as a sculptor or a musician, textiles, or becoming a massage therapist. In the Spiritual State, less is more and they are learning that the wealth lies within. The Source provides what they need in order to sustain them. They will often isolate themselves in order to increase their connection to Source via sextile to Neptune, gaining security and self sustainment via their spiritual service and connection to the Source through the direct line of meditation. Yoga instructors, body workers, and musicians can also be seen in this stage as Music Comes From God, utilizing music to help others gain access to their emotions, for only via the emotional body can evolution occur. There will be cases in the Spiritual State where the Soul will make whatever they do, their meditation, and because survival is their front line, they may choose any profession within their natural skill set that serves a practical need, that offers the necessary feeling of security and one that allows them to be in control of their reality and survival.

With the polarity point being Scorpio/8th house, for evolution sake, the Soul will experience internal and external confrontations, in order to reveal  the limitations in their value system, in terms of how the Soul chose to relate to themselves, ultimately forcing the frog from the well. For those Souls who have produced immense wealth, they will learn that the money holds little value in the scheme of things, and that material wealth and happiness do not go hand in hand, the shock of the confrontations will also often remind them that "WE CAN'T TAKE IT WITH US".

If the Soul used any form of control or devious means for their benefit, in order to deepen their pockets at the expense of another, deep guilt will haunt and permeate them. With Saturn in this position, the Soul may have had the authority to be in charge how money changed hands and where it landed. An example of this might be to fire a staff in order to increase their own salary, meanwhile the staff member's face a situation where they are out on the street finding a way to put food on the table for their families. This would serve as an example of natural guilt used to force a state of reflection about their modes of operation, allowing them to see their own agendas and actions clearly with the hope and intent to move away from self interest and toward a conscious effort to think of other Souls realities beyond themselves. A potential shock could be one who is stripped from their wealth as a result of their selfless ambitions which would be sure to force the shoe to the other foot.

In all cases, the eighth house or Scorpio polarity demands a confrontation with the Soul's personal limitations, where the frog will be forced from the perceived safety of the well to expose the full spectrum of the sky. This will force the individual back upon itself in order to self examine more deeply their internal dynamics that are creating their reality, how they have been relating to themselves and the world and why. They will be forced to examine why they have chosen certain resources for self sustainment and what personal values they have identified with and why.  By doing so, they will come to know the limits that their earthly values offered, which creates the potential for a total metamorphoses: to bring about a totally new way of relating to themselves, to others and to their total reality. These Souls will subconsciously attract life situations in which they reach the roof of opportunity, painfully re-occurring limitations linked with their value system, needs and self image. Progressively they will come to learn that in order to grow and evolve they must merge their life and resources with others in order for a transformation to occur. Because of the fixed nature of this sign, the changes will need to happen slowly and progressively, and most Souls will need to know why the change must happen. If the necessary changes do not occur, via the eighth house/Scorpio polarity, cataclysms will ensue,  in order to enforce metamporphoses. However, there still will be some Souls who continue to stay exactly where they are even following countless wake-up calls.

At key points in their life, Souls with Saturn in Taurus/2nd house, will attract intense and powerful people in their life due to the eighth house/Scorpio polarity, who have the capacity to understand what needs to change for them in order to grow. They will come to know the reason for the block and have the opportunity to transform old models of being. These powerful people will instill the need for self effort and self reliance versus dependence on the person with power. At any point if the Saturn in Taurus/2nd person becomes dependent on the powerful presence for their own security, this support will be removed from their life.

Saturn in Taurus is ruled by the Inner side of Venus, signifying a need to develop the inner relationship to oneself, yet there is also a natural need for all Souls to know where we came from via the sextile to 12th/Neptune. Saturn is the boundary between the known and the unknown, and can create a fear of what one does not know. An evolved version of this signature could very well be linked with the yogi or the monk as their entire mission, purpose is to know God. Yet even in this context, their search must extend beyond the walls of the ashram or the hermitage, as there will be a need to extend the arm down the mountain and help others along the way.

An example of an evolved version of how this Saturn in Taurus/2nd placement plays out is depicted beautifully in a story shared by Yognanada in the chapter "Two Penniless Boys in Brindaban" in his  book, Autobiography of a Yogi. Yogananda has Saturn in the 2nd in Libra, forming a trine to Neptune and Pluto in Gemini in the 10th house. He shares a story about his older brother Ananta, an accountant, who challenges him to live penniless for a day, remembering too that Saturn connects also to the father.

"It would serve you right if Father disinherited you Mukunda. How foolishly you are throwing away your life," an elder brother's sermon was assaulting his ears.

"You know well Ananta, I seek my inheritance from the Heavenly Father."

Ananta returns the following day after stewing about their exchange,
"So you feel quite independent of Father's wealth",  Ananta resumed the barbs of yesterday's conversation.

"I am conscious of my dependence on God."

"Life has shielded you thus far. What a plight if you were forced to look to the invisible hand for your food and shelter! You would soon be begging on the streets."

Ananta challenged Yogananda and his disciple Jitendra, serving as a witness and a potential victim, to travel to a nearby city Brindaban for an entire day and not take a single rupee, nor beg for food or money, they must also not reveal their predicament to anyone. They must not miss any meals and not be stranded in Brindaban. If they return to Ananta's bungalow by midnight not failing any of these tests, he states, "I shall be the most astonished man in Agra!" The Divine had already worked many miracles in Yogananda's life, so he knew he was in fact, in abundant hands. Not only did a few more miracles occur along the way in Brindaban that day, they were fed and treated like kings, the Invisible Hand had far exceeded necessity. His brother was not only sold on the power of Yogananda's direct line to God as the story of the day unfolded but was struck with amazement when Yognanda showered the table with rupee notes. This vividly displays the trust in God extended here by Yogananda seen via Saturn's polarity, in times of life's tests and in times of true need, Ananta witnessed with his own eyes and ears, the eternal well of plenty.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,
I have taken out all the material on the sub-stages and more, as it was way too much text....and it is still too much text now. It was a great exercise for me though. I hope I will be more succinct as time passes and once I have caught up and reviewed all the basic concepts. Thanks for your support.
Gypsie.

SATURN IN TAURUS/2H

The structure of consciousness

Saturn, the reality as we personally know it and how we perceive it is a composite of our Soul's evolutionary state of consciousness, our present societal conditioning, and the past collective conditioning that has impacted our current structure of consciousness. In conjunction with the rest of the chart, our individual structure of consciousness is, in total, the structure from which we organize and act upon the world around us, and through which we are acted upon by it. It is the physical earth reality within which we will experience life in order for our soul consciousness to evolve and "experience itself reflected back towards itself".  

Our individual structure of consciousness has been created by the Soul in such a way as to reflect its on-going evolutionary needs and requirements. At a personal level, Saturn is our personal matrix through which we perceive, experience, and organize our own reality. This personalized form of reality defines the way we are personally orientated towards reality, as a separate individual, in the confines of our society of reference.

It is important to remember that at each step of the way on the soul evolutionary journey, an individual structure of consciousness has a past, a present and a future. Natal Saturn by house/sign/aspects represents the point of integration between the S. Node of Saturn and the N. Node of Saturn and will reflect what has been integrated/released from the past and what has been integrated/released from the future in our structure of consciousness. Since the reality is being restructured on a moment to moment basis, the sign on the 2H cusp, its rulers and aspects will reflect the evolutionary nature of Saturn's reality.

Taurus and the physicality of life!

Life on earth is about integrating spirit into matter and experiencing it in all shapes and forms. Via the physicality of life Saturn in Taurus will be learning the lesson of becoming self-reliant and self-sustaining at a physical and emotional level. Within that reality Saturn in Taurus will gravitate around the creation of a stable structure within which one can survive on its own and keep life going.

The evolutionary intention of Saturn in Taurus will be to inwardly identify its sense of self, what its values are, what its essential needs are, and what its resources are. Saturn in Taurus will "narrow down its focus to that which is specific to its own life purpose and that which supports that purpose." (JWG).

As Saturn in Taurus moves throughout all the evolutionary stages and learn how to manage life on earth and self-survive and self-sustain within the context of the country/society it was born into, it will have mastered the physical and material dimension of life. But before that, it will be confronted with all kinds of fear, struggle and resistance impacting its sense of self-worth and security.  

When Taurus conditions Saturn, the structure of consciousness is designed to rely on itself. Therefore Saturn in Taurus will put a value on anything that will increase its sense of autonomy and its ability to survive. Within that reality Saturn in Taurus will want to consolidate all its survival resources so be very self-contained, and holding in all that is essential to the continuation of life, its values, its needs and its resources.

Saturn in Taurus can be quite resourceful, resilient and loyal to its own rhythm. It needs and can sustain itself even in the face of overwhelming circumstances and/or cataclysmic events. This is why the structure of consciousness is intensely focused inwardly in order to identify its own resources no matter what evolutionary stage the Soul is at. When all is well and the reality is stable, Saturn can be very comfortable and enjoy the good life as it has a very sensual nature.

Anything Saturn in Taurus internalizes becomes part of its value system. The inner relationship Saturn in Taurus establishes with itself will have a certain inner vibration. That inner resonance will be the basis upon which Saturn in Taurus will inwardly to itself. Saturn in Taurus' inner vibration will also be carried out via its body scent which will determine the relationships Saturn in Taurus will attract in its reality.

Since Saturn in Taurus's evolutionary lesson is to identify its own resources and values to sustain itself on the physical and emotional level, it can be quite possessed with itself, and therefore have a limited and slow-to-evolve value system. Once the resources have been identified and internalized, Saturn in Taurus will stay attached to the way things are organized; which means that the structure of consciousness will be very static and resistant to any other life orientation.

Fear of change

Because of the evolutionary pull of being self-reliant and self-sufficient, the threat of having to change  anything in the way Saturn in Taurus has organized the structure of its survival will be quite real.

In EA, Taurus is commonly referred to as the "Frog in the well" (JWG), the frog symbolizing the fixed inner relationship we have with ourselves, based upon our orientation to life. The frog likes its well just the way it is. It is happy and feels secure with the way its reality looks like from the bottom of its well. Of course the portion of the sky the frog is seeing from the bottom of the well doesn't reflect the whole reality, but the frog doesn't want to hear about it. Saturn in Taurus wants consistency and continuity. It relates internally to what is predictable, reliable and stable, so it will tune out anything that challenges or disturbs the way it has organized its reality and view of the world.

To ensure its survival, Saturn in Taurus has built a massive fortress around its reality in order to keep it intact and unchanged, despite the outer ebb and flow of existence.  Modifying anything in that structure of consciousness immediately triggers the survival alarm in Saturn in Taurus and endangers the way life has been sustained so far. As Saturn in Taurus faces this possibility, it sees one thing ahead, death.

Endings and changes in Saturn in Taurus's reality is very frightening. The resistance and stubbornness relative to changing or expanding its world view is directly related to Saturn in Taurus' need to preserve things as they are. Consequently anything that is not relevant or useful to sustain Saturn in Taurus' reality will be tuned out.

A good example of this fortress built around one's reality is seen in the movie The
Hurricane, with Denzel Washington, the real life story of Afro-American boxer, Rubin "Hurricane" Carter, whose conviction for a Paterson, New Jersey triple murder was set aside after he had spent nearly 20 years in prison. He always claimed its innocence. Years after being thrown in jail a teenager from Brooklyn Lesra Martin and his Canadian foster family got in touch with him to help him get a re-trial. They started to visit the Hurricane in prison where they became friends and very fond of each other. After several legal attempts, things didn't look good for the Hurricane and the possibility of being released was fading away. Before meeting Lesra and his family, when he was doing it's time in jail, the Hurricane taught himself to be very self-contained physically and emotionally in order to make it in the harsh reality of federal prison. After his hope for a fair re-trial evaporated, he asked his friends not to be in touch with him anymore for whatever reason; the love they had for him would make its walls come down, and if he were to survive in jail and do its time, he couldn't afford to soften up and be vulnerable...

That is Saturn in Taurus reality. Once a comfort zone has been established, Saturn in Taurus will not see any reason to change it as it makes Saturn in Taurus feel very secure and at peace within that reality. If the inner relationship Saturn in Taurus has with itself is positively orientated, it will reflect a feeling of self-acceptance, self-love and self-worth, if not, Saturn in Taurus may be in constant fear of not having enough resources to survive, whatever those resources are about and will tend to feel stuck and lethargic.

The sexual nature of Saturn in Taurus

Another important aspect of Saturn in Taurus' survival instinct is its sexual instinct. Whereas Saturn in Aries/Mars sexual reality was linked to a sense of becoming and self-discovery, Saturn in Taurus sexual nature is linked to self-preservation as well as the survival of the human species through procreation.
Saturn in Taurus tends to have a strong sexual nature. It may be acted upon with another, and/or with itself. Taurus is wired to procreate for the continuation of the species, thus the constant desire for sex or self-sex. The ultimate act of self-sex in Taurus i.e. masturbation, is the act of sustaining one's own life-force in order to ensure the continuity of its existence.

Although self-sex may be practiced or thought of as a form of release in the absence of a partner, people with a strong taurean nature may still self-pleasure when in a relationship. Taurus has a strong need to be self-reliant at all levels, including with its own sexual energy.

One important aspect of sexuality to keep in mind is the distortion aspect of sexuality relative to the Myth of the Garden of Eden. Saturn in Taurus having a strong sexual nature will be directly affected by this distortion.


The disseminating EARTH trine

Taurus and Capricorn are part of the EARTH triad which "symbolize how we will establish and root our values, and the meaning of life that the values create (Taurus) in the type of service that we perform in society (virgo) and in our career (Capricorn)". (Deva).

Saturn in Taurus combines 2 archetypes, Saturn, yin, earth, cardinal and Taurus, yin, earth, fixed. Saturn (Capricorn) and Taurus (Venus) form a disseminating trine. In the disseminating trine, "the individual has now the power and ability to understand how the society works, and on that basis will know how to institute and establish his own individualized social purpose within it. The soul can now shape and disseminate the purpose because others (society) will not feel threatened or unnecessarily challenged by the individual" (JWG).

Because of Capricorn and Taurus being yin and earth, both will be comfortable with each other as there is an ease of manifestation with the trine. Both are going back to the center and inwards, taking time to reflect, to process, to assimilate patiently (yin). Both are also oriented toward the material world, to what is tangible, to the physicality of life. Together they represent a container, a mold into which a form is being solidified over time, and given value, purpose and meaning to. As such the yin/earth energy works as the glue that holds the form together.

The cardinal energy of Capricorn is designed to initiate change. With Saturn, the cardinal energy initiates the replacement of an obsolete structure that has lost its capacity to serve the needs of the individual and the whole. When cardinal initiates a change it has to move into the unknown, thus feeling insecure. As a result the cardinal goes two-step forward and one step back in order to regroup, to re-center. Eventually change will take place as it is the purpose of cardinal energy to initiate something new.

The fixed aspect of Taurus will provide the stamina and the strength to sustain over time a long-lasting form that has been initiated by Saturn. In that act of sustaining, Taurus will keep that structure in its original form, without altering it. The positive aspect of the fixed earth energy is in its quality of durability, endurance, the giving value to a form that withstands time while the yin aspect holds the form and protect it from the external world.

Disseminating the individual purpose within society

The disseminating trine energy between Saturn and Taurus symbolizes the great talents that had been put into manifesting an individual purpose within the context of society. Capricorn correlates to the sum total of the efforts that are directed towards a social purpose, a work function in society, and the structure created to successfully manifest it. Taurus is the meaning and individual purpose one brings into society and the resources one has to sustain it over time. That individualized purpose is deeply internalized and given a concrete form based upon a time-proven value system.

Society has its own value system, as well as its own natural need to flourish and self-sustain through its members. As a "parent" and "authority figure", society expects everyone to contribute in a responsible way toward the collective and its value, meaning and purpose.

Therefore Saturn in Taurus, slowly but surely climbs the mountain of what success, prosperity, wealth, abundance and the continuation of life on earth means to itself. After inwardly identifying and solidifying its resources in a very personal way, Saturn in Taurus gradually and patiently gains the experience and the wisdom necessary to become autonomous and self-sufficient while contributing in a positive way to society.

At the disseminating trine's juncture, the society of reference promises to reward Saturn in Taurus if its contribution to society is in sync with society's needs, expectations, values and norms. If Saturn in Taurus has properly anchored its individual purpose within the society of reference, it will be able to disseminate it, and reap the benefits from its efforts.

While reaching for the top, Saturn in Taurus continues to readjust its structure of consciousness step-by step in order to secure a stable foundation from which it can succeed. Each step of the way, it does mature its individual purpose to offer to society something of value, something that is needed.

At the trine, Saturn in Taurus is finally ready to disseminate its individual purpose, and expects to be positively accepted by society. It has shown how to successfully achieve its own self-reliance, and how it can contribute to society's self-reliance in the process. It is now the natural teacher, the natural mentor. By walking its talk, it can inspire others to do the same for themselves i.e. becoming self-reliant and self-sufficient through their own efforts.

Depending on Saturn in Taurus' essential nature, past conditioning, and state of consciousness, the nature of the survival resources and strategies deployed to bring the individual purpose to fruition and social manifestation will take many different shapes and forms.

Saturn in Taurus Complacency

While Saturn in Taurus can be very dedicated to its goal and purpose, it may also manifest as being complacent or lazy relative to its own survival, resting on its laurels, maybe unwilling to identify its own values, or not putting the efforts required to identify and actualize its own capacities. It may also resist to implement the necessary changes needed relative to its world view in order to adapt to society's needs, therefore not reaping the rewards that the disseminating trine is offering to those making the efforts to contribute to, and enrich society.

Because of its reality being focused on survival, Saturn in Taurus will be well aware of the resources it doesn't have to effect survival, and knows who, outside of itself, has what it needs for its own self-sustainment. "The law of attraction is contained within Taurus relative to our own inner vibration and inner relationship" (Deva) and is the basis upon which one attracts others. When Saturn in Taurus is not identifying its own needs and resources, not acting on them, it will project them onto others i.e. marrying for money, clinging to a partner and its possessions because of a fear of poverty, stuck into living the life of a couch potato, or socializing with rich people to enjoy their lifestyles.

If Saturn in Taurus projects too much of its needs on others, the unconjunct from Libra will create a crisis and give the necessary feedback to Saturn in Taurus about its complacency and lack of efforts. A counselor may try to wake Saturn in Taurus up by bringing to the surface its feeling of unworthiness or not deserving a life of its own.

The breaking point may be come in the form of a partner threatening Saturn in Taurus' sense of security, "Go and find a job, or you are out!". When the consciousness stays in one dynamic for too long, it doesn't grow. When Saturn in Taurus' growth is becoming stagnant for its own good and has not actualized its own way of self-sustaining, it will learn through "counterpoint awareness by becoming that which it is not.
The polarity, Scorpio will then create confrontations (internal or external) to make Saturn in Taurus aware of its limitations so that it can evolve beyond them.

Saturn in Taurus may then decide to grab the bull by the horns and ponder on the nature of the blockage and the reason for its occurrence so as to change what needs to be changed. If not it may have to learn its lesson the hard way.

When the natural trine between Capricorn and Taurus is manifested in a negative or distorted way, one may suddenly lose their husband to kidneys failure. There will be no other option but to reorganize one's world view in order to create new resources for the family to survive on. It may be people winning big at the lottery and having to learn quickly how to manage resources before it's all spent, and the IRS knocks at their door. Saturn in Taurus may have operated for too long via rigid and obsolete forms, blocking or inhibiting the Taurus individual purpose or bounty to come through. There could be a sense of apathy or inertia, such as Saturn in Taurus being too slow to adapt to the ever-changing demands of the external world, and consequently losing business, or unable to personally interact with the social environment within which it's trying to make its marks. Certain fears can be behind such patterns of behavior i.e. a fear of change, a fear of success, maybe a fear of investing resources for fear of losing them, a fear of confrontation, a fear of not having enough talents or abilities, or a fear of isolation.

Self-reliance and deviant means

Saturn in Taurus may use deviant means to actualizing its individual purpose of self-reliance i.e. being sexually or emotionally manipulative to get what it wants, or karmic debts reappearing for it is payback time. Whatever the case, Saturn in Taurus will be blocked by society from establishing self-reliance until it finds a way that is acceptable to society.

Some members of society will not be spared once their actions have reached public awareness and proved to have gone against the grain of society's most internalized values. Such is the case of Dominique Strauss Kahn, with Saturn 2H and Taurus in the 10H was a high rank politician and brilliant economist and wealthy. Married for over 20 years to a rich, attractive, and well-known journalist and TV anchor, he was the favorite candidate for the next French Presidency in 2011. That same year he was accused of attempting to rape a maid in a New York hotel. His career fell from grace from that point on, after which all the skeletons began to come out of the closet, all the other women he assaulted (one being a female journalist who was interviewing him), not to mention the sexual parties he organized in very high ends hotels such as the Ritz-Carlton.  He has been recently been accused of running a prostitution ring, and is waiting now for his trial.

Martha Stewart, the America's household name is another Saturn in Taurus who has built her fortune from the ground up, but got involved in a fraudulent stock market affair for which she ended up doing some jail time. Although people like Dominique Strauss Kahn and Martha Stewart have put lots of efforts into self-surviving and self-sustaining and contributing to society in their own ways, however society or karmic necessity came back to bite them via either their greed, search for power, or via their distorted sexual nature.

Being blocked by society or being the subject of social judgments will signal a time for Saturn in Taurus to reflect on the nature of its goals and ambitions and the motivations behind them. In this process of being blocked, Saturn in Taurus may feel guilty (natural or conditioned) or shameful, and bury its feelings deep inside, falling into a depression with a sense of being self-defeated and stuck. If resistant to hear the feedback from others or if unwilling to take responsibility for its actions, it may experience a sense of futility. Should that be the case it will continue to be blocked by society until there is an alignment between its individual purpose and society's value system.

In any case, the negative expression of Saturn via the trine will activate the CARDINAL Grand cross and pressure Saturn in Taurus to initiate a change (Aries) so as to create a new structure of reality; within that, the polarity of Cancer will work towards a positive self-image that would be reflected while in the outer world trying to reach its goal. From the Libra side, Saturn in Taurus will get the necessary feedback from others relative to what is needed for its individual purpose to root itself into society successfully.

The negative expression of Taurus relative to the trine will activate the FIXED Grand cross and pressure Taurus to open up to a new world view in order to expand Saturn in Taurus' reality and value, purpose and meaning; the counter point of Scorpio will confront Taurus in order to challenge its fear of change and motivates it to go beyond the pre-existing inner sense of self, so that new resources could help anchor the individual purpose in a way that would be beneficial not only to Saturn in Taurus, but for society as a whole as well. Aquarius will help Saturn in Taurus objectify its inner relationship with itself and adopt values that could benefit humanity via offering a socially-relevant need. With the creative push of Leo energy, Saturn in Taurus will be inspired to creatively actualize one's self-reliance into society vs. living vicariously through others' value system, borrowing others' creative spark and ending up manifesting something that has already been created and/or that lacks substance.

The degree to which the Cardinal and Fixed Crosses will pressure Saturn in Taurus to make a change will depend on its resistance to holding on to its own reality. In addition, the inconjunct from Sagittarius will create a crisis demanding that Saturn in Taurus' personal sense of purpose expands and reaches new heights. Sagittarius will push Saturn in Taurus to want more than what it already has. It will drive Saturn in Taurus to develop more faith in itself, risk its immediate security, be part of life more fully and be more authentic and free-spirited vs. being stuck in an endless search for security.

Saturn in Taurus through the 3 evolutionary stages

In order to successfully integrate its individual purpose into the society it was born into, Saturn in Taurus' reality will be gravitating around three major questions: What resources do I have to self-survive and self-sustain? What resources do I need to survive but don't have yet? How can I acquire them? The way Saturn in Taurus will address those questions will be dependent on its value system and evolutionary state, and the degree to which it has been affected and imprinted by the current society, the past patriarchal conditioning, and how strong the evolutionary pull is in its structure of consciousness.

The structure of consciousness of Saturn in Taurus will change and evolve throughout all the evolutionary stages of consciousness. From consensus to individuated stated and finally to spirituated state, Saturn in Taurus will learn to master the lesson of integrating spirit into matter in a physical body. This will make Saturn in Taurus highly aware of the physical and material dimension of its life and life in general.

Each evolutionary stage will condition the way Saturn in Taurus' structure of consciousness is organized relative to the physicality of life on Earth, and its ability to self-survive and self-sustain within a particular social context. Let's now look at how Saturn in Taurus's structure of consciousness will manifest in Consensus, in Individuated and in Spirituated stages.

Saturn in Taurus in consensus stages

In all consensus stages (70-75% of the world population), individuals adhere to values defined by their society of reference. The approach to life is predominantly based on survival and security needs. The need to belong is determinant. The individual identity is simply an extension of the society at large because of the driving concept "union makes us stronger". Consensus is the state of the herd, so the bigger the herd, the more chances the group has to survive.

For consensus individuals "the need to follow society's social organization reflects a very deep fear of chaos". Therefore everyone in the group will consciously or unconsciously rely on society's structure and sense of order to feel secure.

The societal structures and values held by the society of reference are transmitted early on from the parents to the child, followed by all other social and cultural institutions that continue to imprint the individual with all society's norms, rules and regulations, taboos and customs. In the case of Saturn in Taurus, its own reality will reflect very closely the values of the society at large. The reliance upon society' set of values and rules in consensus give Saturn in Taurus a sense of safety and a sense of protection from chaos, while it gradually learns about life on earth.

While consensus society's rules and regulations, norms, taboos and customs evolve and change over time, the change is very slow as any change destabilizes the social foundation of society itself, and thus Saturn in Taurus' own foundation or reality. In the same way, the individual structure of consciousness of Saturn in Taurus is not likely to change easily or rapidly because of the fixity of Taurus coupled with the tendency for consensus to keep the status quo.

Within society, the social structures will define, among others, the social roles of men and women play, and the work function that Saturn in Taurus can expect to have access to; within that there will be all the protocols that Saturn in Taurus will have to follow when pursuing its goals and ambitions.

The sub-stage Saturn in Taurus is born into will have a strong impact on its value system, and therefore, the choice of a work function. In each sub-stage Saturn in Taurus will have to learn how to ground itself in society relative to its place in the herd, in order to survive and sustain its own reality.

Life time after life time, as Saturn in Taurus moves throughout all the consensus sub-stages, it will learn how to self-survive and self-sustain while contributing to society at large. As it reaches the top of the consensus it eventually will find itself in a position where it has a more refined understanding of how society works, and how to root itself into society so as to gain more responsibilities, power, status, privileges, material security, and a greater creative freedom.

Saturn in Taurus is likely to be born in a parental environment where the focus is placed on becoming self-reliant and self-sufficient. Living a simple life within its means will often be seen as the wise way to approach life. Saturn in Taurus may have inherited its status and survival money from its parents, in that case self-reliance may come from resources outside of itself; how much money and power one has inherited will usually depend on the sub-stage one finds itself in.

No matter what resources one has and where they come from, sustaining whatever one has will be perceived as essential for one's survival, and will be number one concern in a Saturn in Taurus' reality.

In our current western society, values and survival resources are mainly materially-oriented starting with basic needs i.e. food, clothes, shelter. Once these basic needs are met, additional needs may be pursued in the form of extra money in order to acquire additional material goods, or services, such as home, car, nice furniture, the service of a maid or of an accountant, entertainment, vacation, education, life/health insurance, etc. Any material asset or money in the bank account will give Saturn in Taurus a sense of self-worth, security and achievement. Bank loans will also a mean to accumulate desired material goods.

Children, spouse, animals, relatives, etc. will also be seen as a value and asset in Saturn in Taurus' continual effort to sustain its life, i.e. the wife who helps the husband on the farm, or the wife who helps her husband be elected President. Furthermore, the physical body will be a value that can bring an income home, or a way to provide access to otherwise unattainable privileges as in marrying for money or status.

A Saturn in Taurus individual will organize its reality around societal values as well as sub-stage customs. Whatever resource or value is seen by the consensus group as desirable in order to feel more secure and/or prepared in the face of chaos will be integrated in the Saturn in Taurus' survival kit. From accumulating food when there is news about a possible crisis, or buying a gun "just in case the Chinese invade the country", to building a bunker in one's backyard in case of a nuclear attack, or moving one's  funds out of the bank at the eventuality of a financial collapse. No matter what the perceived danger is, Saturn in Taurus will structure its reality so as to be able to face any threat to its physical and emotional survival.

If the society of reference values upward mobility, competition, and hard won money, then consensus Saturn in Taurus will internalize those values. In the same way Saturn in Taurus will be conditioned to cultivate the skills and talents desirable by society relative to its evolutionary stage.

In Consensus, Saturn in Taurus will suppress its natural values, needs, and capacities in order to access a particular work function or a position in society.  In today's consensus world how many individuals would still choose to commit to a long and costly education in order to become a lawyer or a surgeon unless money and social status are waiting at the end of the road?  In other words the needs to survive and sustain itself relative to consensus value system will always override the expression of one's natural talents and needs.

It is important to understand that from first stage to third stage consensus the structure of consciousness of Saturn in Taurus, from basic survival needs to top dollar needs will be permeated with a sense of value, purpose and meaning.  Qualities such as durability, stability, conservatism, and practicality, but also comfort and esthetics will be sought after. No matter what sub-stage one is in, the same instinct will predominate and motivate Saturn in Taurus to learn to position itself better and better within the herd relative to self-surviving and self-sustaining.  

Saturn in Taurus in Individuated stages

Once Saturn in Taurus has experienced "the way to survive and sustain" according to society, all those values will progressively evoke a sense of dissatisfaction in Saturn in Taurus' reality. A sense of futility may permeate its usual routine, it may become depressed, lose its appetite, its "joie de vivre", needing to withdraw in order to reflect on what this all means and why it doesn't make sense anymore.

As Saturn in Taurus begins to be tired of having to wear a façade at work and in society, it craves for a more authentic life and begins to question the ways of society, its beliefs, its values, and the social role it plays in it. Sometimes a cataclysmic event will leave Saturn in Taurus with some unanswered questions.

One's child may have been diagnosed with throat/vocal cords cancer, and although everything was attempted medically, nothing helped. While Saturn in Taurus can't resign to see its child dying, it searches for an alternative. Accidentally Saturn in Taurus hears about a healer who has done miracles in Brazil, so it decides to give it a chance as a last resort.

When society can't provide an adequate answer to Saturn in Taurus's dilemma, one will seek alternative values and less conventional solutions somewhere else. This could also be the case of a CEO who has succeeded by society's standards, and has everything he was dreaming of, plenty of money and social status, family, good life, creative freedom, a sense of accomplishment and self-worth, but deep inside a feeling of dissatisfaction is brooding. An inner dialogue is taking place, "Something is missing in my life and I don't know what it is"¦I have everything I want and need, but I feel hungry for something else"¦".

That something missing is what will propel Saturn in Taurus into the Individuated stage.
In individuated stages the priority for Saturn in Taurus is less about security and survival, but more a need for authenticity and finding one's personal truth and natural self-worth.

Here Saturn in Taurus is willing to risk venturing into the unknown to find more meaning, value and purpose. The appeal of setting its spirit free is growing.

As Saturn in Taurus matures into its own sense of self, mainstream's expectations lose their grip. The fear of ridicule and judgment subsides as Saturn in Taurus realizes that there is more than what society has to offer and society is not the absolute value. Saturn in Taurus realizes that society's ways represents only one way to experience life. The rebelling against the false values connected to "society being the natural order of things" is triggered. At that point the individual's total allegiance to society's value system is progressively eradicated.

One day out of the blue Saturn in Taurus will announce "I quit the corporate world, I quit the competition! I want to do something else, something that I like and something that is more me!" Saturn in Taurus is now in the process of shifting its reality, letting go of old values and needs, and restructuring its reality with a new sense of purpose.  

All that was presented as valid truths by the society of reference is now challenged by Saturn in Taurus, especially around the values of money and power. An inner dialogue is taking place and Saturn in Taurus evaluates, once again its reality "Well, money is not the evil of all"¦as money can still offer a life of comfort and ease"¦but the accumulation of money to feel worthy or important is truly preventing me and blocking me from being who I am"¦, so what do I need from deep inside to feel alive? Saturn in Taurus is now trying to stabilize its world again but with new values that make sense.

As Saturn in Taurus questions the old reality, it is simultaneously developing a new one.  As it goes through this re-evaluation it may find it difficult to get support from the people it knows, as they may not understand what Saturn in Taurus is going through or where it is coming from. So Saturn in Taurus will keep everything inside"¦but slowly redefine internally its values and the meaning it gives to life independently of any external pressure.

In Individuated stages, Saturn in Taurus will be more open to diversity and likely to explore taboos. It may start going out with individuals of a different religious background, maybe having a drink in a pub where different minorities gather. And instead of wearing its traditional black suit, it will put on a nice jean to feel more relaxed and comfortable!

Depending on its inner orientation Saturn in Taurus may want to explore architectural styles from different cultures in order to expand and enrich its sense of esthetics. It will taste new types of cuisines and flavors, and even share its meal and table with some interesting but weird people.

Family and entourage may give Saturn in Taurus a hard time, feeling somehow turned off by its new and strange ways of doing things. To begin with, Saturn in Taurus will find it easier to not challenge them back, and avoid confrontation. But as times passes and as it forges a stronger character, Saturn in Taurus will want to be more honest with itself, and put it out in the open.

Little by little as Saturn moves up throughout the individuated stages, its instinct to emotionally repress or deny its natural self by pretending to be someone it is not, will be replaced with a more direct style.

Choosing not to compromise its own convictions anymore will be liberating for Saturn in Taurus who will be now motivated to choose a lifestyle and a profession that is more in tune with its own values and needs. Those careers often will at some point promote change, progress and development in the established order. They may also address the dysfunction and corruption in mainstream society.

In the Individuated stage the possibility of a greater creative potential is opening up. As Saturn in Taurus liberates from old external and societal judgments it will begin to access its natural potential.

The family environment Saturn in Taurus will be born into could be a traditional wealthy family with very conservative values, or a more individuated family that will support Saturn in Taurus' exploration of who it is naturally. In that context life will be dealt with "holistically rather than symptomatically".

An Individuated Saturn in Taurus will gradually refuse to accept any limitation imposed by society relative to freely internalize its own values, its essential needs, and the way it goes about taking care of them. It now wants to self-sustain by its own means and values. The moral responsibility of not having to be who the family expects Saturn in Taurus to be, including the level of its income, leads to "careers in the arts, alternative modalities, or free-lance professions".

Financial security and social status are not anymore the central value; what is central is the need for personal meaning and fulfillment via one's individuality.

Gender role are less defined and compartmentalized in Saturn in Taurus' new reality as males and females are seen as a human being first. Men will more easily access their emotional side, and women express more their creative side.

Saturn in Taurus in individuated stages will choose to associate with like-minded people who are themselves in search of establishing their own self-reliance and autonomy outside of society's control. Those like-minded groups will have a different focus in each Individuated sub-stage. The current groups of reference in individuated in our Western society are usually of 3 sorts, spiritual as in New Age, activists as in Environmental issues, or creative as in Artistic free expression.

In the Individuated stages, Saturn in Taurus is in the process of developing its own inner authority and understands life based on its own personal experience vs. following an established tradition that defines what is right or wrong. Saturn in Taurus must avoid taking anything at face value and get "proof" of the validity of the new value it is exposed to before internalizing it.  Like that it will continue to rebel against any preconceived value, need and resource that society or any group of reference tries to impose as the truth.

At each step of the way Saturn in Taurus will carefully listens to the inner dialogue going inside and restructure its reality so as to match its sense of self. As Saturn in Taurus moves more deeply into the spirit of Individuated stage and its evolutionary intention, it will get it. "I AM my own resources. I can survive and be who I am".

All the individuated stages serve the purpose of identifying one's own natural individuality  outside of society's value system. From first stage individuated Saturn in Taurus has started to detach from society's value system, to completely rejecting society and fully embracing who it is naturally in second stage, to third stage, reintegrating back into society with its own individuality and bringing along progressive values and resources which could eventually be absorbed and integrated within the mainstream societal value system.

Saturn in Taurus in Spirituated stages

Once again a crisis or shock of some sort will bring Saturn in Taurus to a stuck point where its preexisting values will create a feeling of dissatisfaction. Now Saturn in Taurus is having the inner realization that there must be a higher intelligent mechanism operating behind life, one that can't be grasped with the mind. So the search for that meaning begins"¦

Throughout the Spirituated stages Saturn in Taurus will be committed to the higher Truth. Beginning with first sub-stage the values shift from an individuality-centered reality to a Truth-oriented reality. Although Saturn in Taurus may have studied some of the spiritual principals while in the individuated stages, its purpose here is to internalize only the values that support in the best possible way and without any compromise, living in accordance to the Truth.

Saturn in Taurus' experience of the physicality of life means now to attain a consistent sense of well-being undisturbed by life's ebbs and flow. The individual purpose is focused on harmonizing with life and aligning with one's inner peace. The search for freedom as in the Individuated stages is now being replaced with the freedom to live in Truth.

As Saturn in Taurus progresses throughout the Spirituated stages, it realizes that life is not about personal wants anymore, but rather about "what is right". Personal attachment either to material goods and security as in consensus, or to personal freedom and creativity as in Individuated has lost their relevance. Now a more neutral approach is cultivated. Personal ambitions are relinquished for "an inner attunement with life, with what is right, with what works and what Truth is".

From now on Saturn in Taurus' structure of consciousness is orientated towards "letting go and letting God/ess". It is not invested in imposing its values and needs on life but to accept what is given. As Saturn in Taurus evolves throughout spirituated stages it will gradually see that, as one is aligned with the principles of Truth, Source becomes the ultimate provider. Self-survival will be left to the device of Source, trusting that everything Saturn in Taurus needs will be provided when it needs it.

Peace Pilgrim is a good example of such a value.  "I will walk until there is Peace on earth" she said. And walking she did! She walks back and forth twice from the US West coast to the East coast until she was into her 70's. One day she got hit by a car at night as she was walking, and died. All she owned in the 20 years she had walked was the clothes she wore, a comb, a pencil, a small notebook, and a few nuts in her pocket. If people on her way would feed her or invite her to sleep at home, she graciously accepted it. When left to her own device, she would sleep in the ditch on the side of the road. She never lost her original purpose, no matter how many times the physicality of her spiritual path did test her.

In spirituated stages, practicing non-attachment, compassion and service will replace the need for experimentation, for freedom and for any unnecessary stimulation of the mind.  The more aligned Saturn in Taurus is with the universal Truth and the more it harmonizes with existence, the greater the support from life it will get.

"The Earth is your mother and she freely offers to you all that you need" (Native American saying).

As the ego aligns with a higher meaning of life, and devotes time to an inner dialogue with Source or
Truth, Saturn in Taurus will tune into finer vibrations and new perceptions. As a result new faculties and skills will gradually develop. Saturn in Taurus may find itself transcending the immediacy of time and space and experience sudden awakenings and new realizations with a feeling that knowledge is being downloaded from above. One may also develop healing abilities or gain extra-sensorial powers. Those skills may be offered within the context of Saturn in Taurus work function and contribution to society, however one needs to offer it as a gift coming from Source, not from self.  

In each spirituated sub-stage Saturn in Taurus will be tested around its ability to surrender to its attachments and to live life according to a higher Truth. Life and Truth now guide Taurus value system, and Taurus needs to listen to the inner voice. There will be plenty of opportunities to be challenged on any of the remaining attachments Saturn in Taurus still has"¦whether they are around money and material resources, fear of not having enough, one's spiritual invincibility, one's isolation, one's gluttony, one's laziness, etc.  

In Spirituated stages Saturn in Taurus' reality will point towards consciously purging negative karma and progressively aligns with personal values that prioritize the higher Truth. Over time, the gap between what one's values and what is objectively right in order to live in Truth will decrease. At a certain stage, Saturn in Taurus will be spiritually mature to become a vehicle through which negative karma can be purged. Time spent in solitude and in nature will be needed to make sure the denser vibration of earth plane are harmonize with the finer ones.

As Dharma is focused on, and one learns to "transcend duality, live more in holism, and neutralize evil", Truth becomes more important than personal comfort; and being of service comes before pleasure. As Saturn in Taurus continues its spiritual practice, the main focus will be directed more and more toward the betterment of life as a whole"¦"How can I be of service?".

Thinking that a spiritual practice or a prayer will guarantee food on the table is somewhat naïve. Living a spiritual life doesn't shelter any one from pain and failure. Expecting all wants to be answered because one is asking with sincerity is bound to bring spiritual disillusionment. Life has challenges and people in spirituated states are not spared.

However the more Saturn in Taurus stays in tune with its spiritual value, purpose and meaning and honor its natural talents and resources, the more it will have on its path whatever is needed to self-survive and self-sustain. No matter how Saturn in Taurus orientate its work function or social role, whether through a regular job, a more spiritually-oriented type of work, or being a Spiritual Master in its highest expression,
Saturn in Taurus will have the opportunity to bring into society, not a new spiritual dogma, but the embodiment of the spiritual laws and principles of life, and what a Truth-centered reality is about.  

Hi Rad and group,

Here is my go, sorry again for the delay and thank you all for the ongoing opportunity to grow.

Saturn in Taurus or the Second House

The Structure of consciousness of a Saturn in Taurus or the Second House is one of fixated focus on that which is able to sustain the Soul in this physical incarnation and thru extension, to that which it values and that which it finds pleasurable. Taurus correlates to basic physical needs such as the need for food and the need for sex on a procreational level. Aries and Mars correlate to testosterone which is essential for sexuality in both men and women but Taurus and the inner side of Venus correlate with our inner need to satisfy our primal physical needs, which will also then be acted out by the Aries and Mars archetypes. The need for food in my experience is also connected to the Moon and Cancer archetypes.

When we link Saturn´s need for structure and its desire to build in whatever area of life is represented by the house it is located in, we can see that the survival instinct will be extremely strong, actually the structural nature of the consciousness will be structured around survival and that which the Soul needs in order to sustain itself, in order to live out the evolutionary desires represented by Pluto, the Nodal axis of the Moon and the Pluto Polarity Point. As we all know too well, money is the main means of giving value to most resources, therefore Saturn in Taurus or the Second House will be highly focused on making or accumulating wealth in various ways or forms.

Saturn also correlates with reflection, as we reflect upon our past experiences we gain insight into them and ourselves, learn responsibility and can act maturely in the future as we will gain wisdom with the process. Saturn in the Second House and Taurus will be reflecting upon the core value of life itself and will need to integrate the Scorpio/Eighth House Polarity and allow the value of life itself to evolve by accepting that in order to evolve one needs to metamorphose limitations, many which can be unconscious. Therefore the need to penetrate to the bottom of whatever is the root cause of any personal sense of frustration, isolation, lack of love, value, self worth, money, or other personal resources, is important with Saturn in the Second House. By deepening the psychology thru self inquiry the Soul will have a greater understanding of life and learn to be less self limited in its approach to others and the external world in general.

Within the consensus stage the awareness of the individual is still mostly reflecting societies values which will condition the consciousness of the individual to value money and to mostly not look at the means to reach ends meat, as long as it is in line with the consensus values and beliefs and satisfies what has been defined as essential to his or her survival and living needs. The individual will be learning about values yet will be highly conditioned and will simply reflect the values of others in positions of authority within society. The individual will desire to have money and resources and will take pride in building them from the ground up if necessary. The natural trine to the MC reflects the Soul´s ease in pursuing its financial independence or that which it needs for survival, based on what others in positions of authority dictate. It shows an acceptace and ability to work within the social sphere and rules as long as they can pay the bills and also shows a desire to progressively work within the social structure in a disciplined way in order to progressively evolve within that structure and thus earn more money or resources and potentially some sense of personal authority. Saturn is also accomplishment and with this placement a Soul can build and build and accomplish a lot on a material level.

In the individuated stage money may or may not be what is really valued, freedom, individuality and the ability to be original may be valued above all else. This can create conflict within the individual as he or she can feel at odds with the various groups of people as seen by the natural square to the Eleventh House. The square to the Fifth House also indicates the potential stress in being able to express the creative self with a purpose that is also of some benefit and value to the rest of society. In other words within the individuated stage the Soul can become alienated if the values are totally different from the majority of other people. The Soul is learning to relate to itself in mature ways and the first quarter square to the Eleventh House can be indicative of the Soul having to face difficulties in finding people who share their values and who can thus relate to them on an equal basis. The need to learn self reliance is paramount and is constantly creating an inner dialogue of "I don´t need anyone" as the individual may feel he or she is constantly forced back upon him or herself in order to learn to relate to itself and feel good within its own shoes. I feel the individuated level is the hardest for this placement precisely because of this difficulty in relating to others. The Soul is in an evolutionary stage in which it is progressively throwing off all consensus values and yet the reality, Saturn, of many people with this placement, will have hard lessons relative to second House issues of self worth, money and resources. The Trine to the Tenth House in this evolutionary stage, indicates the desire and potential ability to manifest and build relative to the core inner values of the Second House Saturn Soul. It indicates an ability to share its unique inner and outer resources and talents with the world at large. Imagine an architect that does ecological housing or a singer that tries to inspire others to be themselves.

Not all individuals will be poor with a Second House Saturn but some certainly can feel the weight of the inequality of the way resources are distributed in the world. Others can have huge fortunes but feel enormous pressure and spend a lot of their time managing or worrying about their resources. Saturn will certainly indicate a focus on the theme of resources and how to manage them or the need to build from scratch.

In the spiritual stage the Soul will progressively learn how to identify with natural and spiritual values which can help align the Soul with that which sustains it on an existencial level. This can be an extremely devotional placement for Saturn in a spiritually aware person as it can correlate with a very strong dedication to whatever cause it dedicates to. When Taurus loves and commits to something it is unwavering and focused like a laser beam. In the spiritual stage, the Second House Taurus will desire to dedicate itself towards developing inner qualities and resources that can help develop its spiritual evolution. Material resources may also be managed and used in ways that can be of service to others.


Saturn in Taurus or the Second House from a health perspective will correlate to potential energetic imbalances and blocks between the outer layer of the Root chakra and the heart chakra as Venus corresponds to the heart on an energetic level. These imbalances and blocks can correlate to an individual which has a hard time expressing love and affection in the world around him or her due to feeling cut off or unable to integrate with the values of the surrounding society and the majority of other people. The Soul is attempting to structure its own value system thru experiencing the reality of whatever society it has chosen in order to progress along its evolutionary path yet, the impact of the soceity of birth, especially in a distorted patriarchal society as the majority of us will find ourselves currently in, can prove to be highly judgemental of needs that are natural to any human being that desires to live according to that which is natural. There can be a core difficulty in liking others as the Soul cannot truly like itself in a world which it cannot easily relate to, thus cannot satisfy its inherent needs easily, therefore the Soul may be forced to turn upon itself for that which it needs, compounding any tendency towards isolation. Taurus can say "well this is all I need so the hell with all of you". This can obviously cause various difficulties in relationships such as a very closed attitude that has a hard time opening up and trusting others, to a child like way of relating that is underdeveloped, or to an over "mature" self judgemental type that is frozen emotionally and worries more about social judgements than the expression of love and care. With a blocked heart chakra the back will automatically begin to curve and may form scolioses and the breathing can be affected as a result. Stress can be ciclically experienced in situations in which the person feels the need to defend his or her values which can be automatically linked to the survival instinct. If judged for some personal lack or attribute he or she dislikes physically or in a social situation in which they can feel somehow inferior in financial status or judged by others for his or her core values. Hormonal imbalances in the adrenals can be experienced as Venus co rules the Adrenals with Mars and Pluto. There may be cortisol and estrogen imbalances leading to mood swings and potentially anxiety, irritability and depression if the imbalances are not corrected, which then over time may also weaken the immune system. Excessive cortisol can lead to mental imbalances, infections, obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure and difficulty healing wounds which can augment chances of infections.
Underactive adrenal glands can lead to chronic adrenal insufficiency which can cause fatigue, low blood pressure, nausea, anorexia, low blood sugar and increased pigmentation in the skin. As Venus rules the kidneys and Saturn crystalization, there can be a potential to develop kidney stones. The spleen is another area of potential focus from a health point of view as it acts as a filter for the blood in order to help the body fight off bacteria and viral infections and is co ruled by Venus, Neptune and Pluto. The spleen can suffer from trauma or enlargment. The nose may also suffer from trauma and break or fracture or can possibly have a limited structure that limits the air intake and difficults breathing.

The Soul may be so focused on itself and its own needs in a self determined way that by shutting off others it also blocks them out in a way that then creates a psychology of "I don´t need to listen to this" which over time, Saturn, can lead to a person that can become partially deaf simply by psychologically blocking the information from coming in, in an ostrich like way. The Second House is naturally inconjunct the Ninth and Seventh Houses and the inconjunct to the Ninth will correlate with crisis relative to the inherent values one is attempting to maintain and the belief systems of others. Taurus is known to be stubborn and this is because of the fixed yin qualities and the internalized focus on whatever it finds essential. The problem with the Second House and Taurus is the self limitations it all too gladly experiences, which will then correlate with a limited belief system or a belief system that simply rejects anything that may go against the core values one has identified with. Taurus can literally stick its head in the sand and sinply say "I don´t believe it" even thou it´s obvious to others. The square to the Eleventh House reminds us to get our head out of the sand and gain some objectivity about how limited we actually are and how those limitations may effect others, the group or tribe. The Yod from Libra/Sagittarius will indicate a need to grow beyond our own self serving value system and learn to be humble enough to acknowledge and incorporate others and their beliefs, to at least be open to listening to them in order to have an open and freer mind, and in order to relate to others based on their actual truth or realities. Relative to the survival instinct Taurus also can be extremely dishonest. The Yod from Sagittarius and Libra shows that the lack of acknowledging the beliefs of others is also a dishonest act in of itself, as deep down the Soul knows there is more than its limited reality yet denies it alltogether in order to maintain a sense of control.

There can be a fear of being tricked, thrown off balance and being confused and thus having nothing to hold onto on a psychological sense relative to values and the security they represent or, material possessions if one were to lose them or be robbed. Remembering the patriarchal reality we experience, the Yod also points to the distortion of nature and natural laws and the necessary humility we would need to develop, in order to stop destroying the planet by using up all of her resources. The Yod and grand cross also point to the distortion of man serving himself by accumulating or controlling that which is not even his to begin with, the planet and its resources The natural trine to Capricorn and the MC shows the ease of how this happens thru the global patriarchal social system and then integrated into individuals daily lives as people go about accumulating resources for their own benefit as if thou nothing was distorted. So basically"¦ "ignorance is bliss."

Saturn in Taurus may have a fear of losing that which is of value and go to great lengths to protect what it has. Taurus is not normally known for being dishonest but all signs can be dishonest for their own reasons and in their own unique ways. For Taurus dishonesty is ok in order to survive or maintain something of essential value and importance. In relationships they can lie to themselves in order to maintain the stability of the relationship and stick with a partner that is unfaithful as long as they don´t confront themselves about the fact. Saturn in Taurus can actually suppress the truth in order to survive or maintain itself or some dynamic aspect of its life, primarily by denial. The same can go for aspects of themselves they would rather not face and thus suppress them which will end up as energetic blocks in the root chakra and/or heart chakras and have an effect on the self esteem.

Saturn in Taurus may be greedy, Saturn is known for control and a desire to accumulate and is also connected to fat because of these inherent qualities so Saturn in the Second House may become fat and even obese if there is too much greed. Remembering the connection to the heart chakra we can see how greed and other self serving attitudes can directly lead to a low sense of self esteem as "we are what we eat" in a way. Talking about greed, Saturn in the Second House can very well be the "hoarder extroardiniairre" and attempt to accumulate everything and anything. These can be the people that save all their money while others spend it or can be those people who even thou they have no need at all, will take things from the trash or even steal from others in some cases. This may also be a placement that can show difficulty in sharing with others and understandably so, if the Soul is attempting to accumulate resources then he or she will only desire to share with those people that are of value and therefore also of importance to them. You can´t be rich if you are miserly on the inside.

Saturn in the Second House or Taurus is learning to define and structure the value and meaning for life, this will be an ongoing lesson throughout their lifetime. Tn order to do this, the Eighth House, Scorpio Polarity is going to need to be expressed in order for there to be balance. This means the Soul will need to come out of its self imposed limitations, remembering the natural Yod too, and learn about deepening the value system thru going deeper into itself and understang why and where the excessive limiting needs are coming from. The Soul will need to learn to let go and recycle that which is not necessary.


Due to the stress which may be experienced daily as a Second House Saturn interfaces with others because the Second House is a naturally introverted house due to the yin qualities of the Taurus Archetype, it is self contained and likes to be secure in its basic existencial needs and revel in them if possible. There can be tendencies to overcompensate for feelings of emptyness inside or a miserly sense of personal value by paying attention to material objects of value that give status or to having a very sexual body, to one´s ability to attract the opposite sex due to some physical attribute or financial status. These are all expressions due to a patriarchal way of life as that which is valued is mostly money as people tend to believe that money equals freedom but, we are already free. It was our free choices over millenia that led to this reality we experience as the patriarchy and which we will continue to experience, until we either turn things around and balance out the natural masculine and feminine principles operative in the world, or to destroy ourselves in the process of accumulating more and more wealth, if we can, in order to fuel a false sense of security which can never be attained. The Eighth House polarity indicates we must accept death, it is intrinsic to life itself and without learning to let go, Scorpio, we cannot truly live if we are so focused on maintaining "something" that means the world to us. With Saturn in the Second House these lessons are hard as generally that which we have, internally and externally came thru effort or hardship of some sort. There may of been "luck" and being born in a family with resources but then there can a miserly psychology of never having enough, being fearful of losing those resources, guilt and expectations projected upon from the parents as they themselves may of had to fight hard to survive and feed the family and, even a need to defend the resources from others who themselves may be greedy. The theme is the same thou, to have to actively be vigilant and administer the resources in the best way possible by dealing with the circumstantial reality of the "times", Saturn.

When looking at Saturn in the Second House we can see the natural fixed square between Taurus and Leo. Leo is the life purpose, that which needs to be expressed in order for the Soul to creatively actualize itself. The square indicates the natural tension we experience in developing our inner resources in order to shine as brightly as possible, Leo. Or the complete inability to shine because of a lack of resources which will mean we do not have the talents or necessary structure to express that which we would like to. So in order to shine we must have the inner strength and foundations, Taurus.

The opposition to the Eighth House indicates the need to open up to others at key points in time in order to develop the inner and outer resources which in themselves may be limited. The need to join with others in order to accomplish more as a whole than as an isolated individual can be seen in this opposition and also in the natural square to Aquarius and the Eleventh House in which the individual will also need to adapt in order to relate to the various social groups but may not know how to. In opening up there can be insecurities as the Soul doesn´t truly know how to do so, this is the crisis in action and belief the Soul experiences but is necessary in order to actualize itself and move beyond limitations, which will lead to a more evolved perspective due to the objectivity that was gained thru the experience of opening up. In turn the value system itself will be evolving which will have an effect on the inner relationship to the self which will effect every other area of life via the natural connection to all other signs in the Zodiac and their correlations.

The square to Aquarius also reminds us that what we are building now and trying to maintain will also be projected into the future and reminds us to ask ourselves if our current resources will be able to sustain us in the future and what is the real value of our efforts, relative to the future?

From a sexual point of view, if the Soul is very isolated and self contained and the relationship to itself is still immature, the individual may repress sexual desires in various ways, such as by overcompensating with food or by going shopping for clothes or something material or simply by denying the sexual desires alltogether. There can also be a tendency towards masturbation in order to be self sufficient on a sexual level or a desire to use others for physical pleasure with little or no regards for the emotional content and true intimacy of the union. In healthy, mature individuals the sexual drive can be strong and intense and the individual can be extremely loyal with his or her love for a partner. In general it can correlate to a "let´s stick with what works" type of approach to sexual experimentation. This is also a placement that can lead to the person trying to own or possess the partner. The inconjunct to the Seventh House shows a need to adapt and adjust to the partner as necessary without feeling threatened that core values will be put at some sort of risk. The inconjunct to Libra also indicates the constant crisis they may experience as they need to adapt to the needs and values of others, in order to have balanced relationships.

Taurus is a very cautious and gentle sign, often being introverted and shy. With Saturn in Taurus or the Second House the Soul can be quite timid and reserved all round, even to the point of avoiding relationships and social interaction in extreme cases.


In a purely positive expression Saturn in the Second House is a symbol of someone that can have a very strong sense of personal value and inner worth simply because of sound morals and personal integrity. In the consensus of course these values will be simple extensions of social values. In the individuated the value system will be more personal and unique to each individual as they reflect his or her ongoing search for their individuality and in the spiritual, the values will be focused on universal, timeless values and the value of the planet itself as a living being in her own right can also be highly emphasized.

I would like to show a couple of bief examples of having a lot of money or none at all that can correlate with Saturn in the Second House. One would be woman with Saturn conjunct the North Node of the Moon in the Second House who was a cleaning lady and led a very simple life, with only basic needs met and little to no more, which limited her scope of existence and potential experiences. She never married and did not seem to have many romantic relationships or interests throughout her life. She was however a person that liked to broaden her mind and read about various things and had foreign places. She has a Sagittarius Sun. It was obviously important for her to be financially independent and she managed thru her own effort and discipline. It was an accomplishment for her even if a very humble one in the eyes of the majority of society. Another example is Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook founder, who has Saturn conjunct Pluto in the Second House and is a billionaire. He had huge investments from others as Facebook is a data mine worth loads to many in positions of power. Saturn and Pluto are in Scorpio. Scorpio rules investors and combined resources. In both cases the consciousness of the Soul is highly conditioned and defined by the material resources and inner value they have and their limitations due to a poor inner foundation or else to the high status riches may confer such as in the case of Zuckerberg. This to show that there are no hard rules and that the archetypes can and do express themselves in various ways, according to the individual consciousness and evolutionary journey of the Soul.

Hi Linda, Gypsie, Kristin and Skywalker

First, thanks to you all for taking the time you have to work on this segment of our Saturn thread. I will be reading through what you all wrote over the next couple of days, and will then get back to you each with my observations and comments on your work.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda, Gypsie, Skywalker, and Kristin

I have finally read through all that each of you have written. The EA work that you are all doing is just wonderful on this segment of our Saturn thread. I realize the amount of time it is taking each of you to do the work that you are doing, and thank you for doing that. Beyond developing yourselves in EA the work that you are doing is of tremendous benefit to all those that come here to read this ongoing Saturn thread.

The work you have all done, in total and in combination, correlates to all the essential, core, archetypes of Saturn in Taurus. It is truly wonderful and inspiring to me to be able to experience the capacity you all have for EA. You are inspiring others as well. I know JWG is smiling big somewhere.

We will pick up our thread at the top of next week. I would like to continue with putting Saturn through each sign progressively. If any of you have other ideas please let me know.

Again, thanks for the time you are all taking to do this. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
Thanks for the feedback.
It works very well for me to keep going around the zodiac.
Gypsie

Hi Rad,

We may as well be methodical
and continue around the zodiac.
Thanks for your feedback.

Linda

HI Rad,

I am happy to do what the groups wants, however, a thought, due to the time these posts require, would be for each of us to take a different Saturn through a house/sign and then the other participants can, once ours is posted, read through our post and then add whatever they feel would be relevant, more substance to complete the picture, that way we can all be involved in all of them. This way there would not be so much redundancy and yet we could all deepen our understanding of all of the archetypes.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

I like Kristin's idea too.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Rad,

I have no opinion on this, whatever you and others prefer. What would also be interesting would be to look into some of the things we all suggested earlier. Also to look at the phasal relationship between Saturn/Pluto and the structural realities the Soul creates in order to live out its desires.

All the best

Hi Rad and Group,
Since I am still learning, I find it to be a very good practice to do Saturn one sign at a time. It helps to assimilate the material more deeply. I also enjoy reading others' assignments as everybody has a different angle and style. Incorporating each time a different element into the assignment might be interesting, such as exploring for each sign, the role of Saturn's ruler and its phasal relationship with Saturn, or exploring in more depth how Saturn Retrograde manifests in different evolutionary stages, etc.
I definitively like the idea of Skywalker about exploring the phasal relationship Pluto/Saturn and understand/practice how the structural realities support the Soul's desire and evolutionary requirements.
One thing that I'd like to learn/practice at some point (although it may not be the focus of this class) is how to put all the elements together relative to understand the totality of one's structure of consciousness especially when there are lots of aspects involved; maybe learning with a concrete and detailed example a basic step-by-step on how to approach it in a chart. Just some ideas.
That being said, I do understand why some of you might want to go quicker around the zodiac.
Gypsie.

Hi Gypsie, Kristin, Linda, and Skywalker

I like all the possibilities of developing our Saturn thread that you have all suggested. My thought it is to develop this thread in a building block like way so that as we move forwards on the different ideas that you all have it can then make better sense, lead to more understanding, by all those who are coming here to read this thread. That's why I wanted to start this part of Saturn through the signs so that this foundation, Saturn, can then be added onto later on.

One thing we could do now, though, per Gypsie's suggestion is to do Saturn in Gemini but then add the location of it's planetary ruler, Mercury, to it. So, for example, Saturn in Gemini with it's ruler Mercury in Scorpio. So the analysis would start of course with all the archetypes of Saturn and Gemini combined relative to the structural nature of consciousness that is then further conditioned by the location of it's planetary ruler, Mercury.

Let me hear from all of you if you would like to do it this way on this segment.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and Group,

I understand the importance in our own development to progress through each Saturn placement as well as how this helps the readers. I also like Gypsie's suggestion about developing a planetary ruler of Saturn in order to expand upon this. How about if we each pick a different sign placement for the planetary ruler?

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Kristin,

That is exactly what I had in mind.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and group,


Okay, Saturn in Gemini plus it's ruler
(Mercury in our choice of sign)
is fine with me.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi All,

I also feel it would be beneficial for the development of this thread if we all picked different Mercury positions...

I would like to utilize Mercury in Libra/7th.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad/all,


I will choose Saturn in Gemini with
ruler Mercury in Pisces.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Group,

I can do Saturn in the Third/Gemini and Mercury in Scorpio as Rad suggested since it´s my natal placement.

All the best

Hi Linda, Kristin, Skywalker, and Gypsie

Ok then, let's do this segment this way then. So Kristin and Gypsie go ahead and choose what sign you want to put Mercury in given that Skywalker and Linda have made theirs.

Let's make our due date March 10th which will give you two weeks.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
I had requested in my post above that I would like to do Saturn in Gemini/3rd with the ruler Mercury, in Libra..
Peace,
Kristin

OK with me!
Gypsie

Hi Rad and group,


The last two weeks have been incredibly busy for me,
and I have not been able to find the time to do the
current practice chart for Saturn in Gemini, ruled by
Mercury in a sign.

I will, however, join in again for the next assignment: 
Saturn in Cancer, ruled by Moon in a sign.


Thanks so much for your understanding,

Linda

Hi Rad & Group...

I am about 3/4 done with my post, but need some more time to work on a few sections and edit what I have. I was hoping to have it finished by today, but the only day I can effectively work on these posts are Sundays..so ideally I would like to turn this in Monday morning. However if you want it sooner, I will do what I can to try and make that happen.

Thanks...Kristin

Hi Kristin,

Turn it in when you are done.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and Group,

I´m also a little behind as now I´m starting to be busy with a new home I will be moving into in the coming weeks and it needs a lot of work. I have done quite a bit of the assignment but would like to improve on it, so since Kristin will still take some time I hope it´s ok if I do the same. I really prefer to give in something I´m happy with then to rush things.

Thank you

All the best

Hi Rad,
I am in the same place so it would be good to have a bit of extra time.
Gypsie.

Hi Rad & Group,
Thank you for this opportunity and exercise to explore Saturn more deeply.
Peace,
Kristin


Earth Follows Fire, Fixed Follows Cardinal, and Air follows Earth. The new experiences born out of the Aries being and the feelings gained from these adventures where value, meaning and purpose was established in the withdrawal of the Taurean nature, have not been given a name, until now. Saturn in Gemini, in the 3rd house, gives us a language for our experiences, it gives it a name. The words make it real, and for the Saturn in Gemini Soul, the words give it sustenance and life.

Souls with Saturn in Gemini or the 3rd House are built to project themselves out into the physical environment, to collect information and facts, so they can maker larger and broader connections, in order to understand themselves and how they fit in the world. These individuals have gained new experiences which have expanded their ideas about how they are made and put together in relation to their physical environment. They have been developing a mental discipline and an intellectual ability to logically order their experiential existence. They find security by giving a name and classification to the objects and forms in their physical environment, in order to understand it cerebrally. They are giving names or classifications to things, in order to feel secure in the world. Well known Gemini, journalist Bill Moyer has a stellium of Gemini planets in the 4th house and says , "I collect information every day, reading several newspapers, magazines, and articles on the internet. The more information I take in, the more at HOME I feel in the world." This process can create a feeling of inner balance and calm for Souls with this signature.

Saturn in Gemini Souls have an inherent restless nature, with a natural need for diversity due to their natural intellectual curiosity. This sustained curious nature will be with them for the long haul and as a result, they will be creating a storehouse of facts and information over time in order to build a larger framework or superstructure of ideas that rationally and empirically explain their relationship to their environment. Because of this curious approach and a desire for diversity, generating likes and dislikes, they can tend to scratch the surface of many ideas and interests, whereby they ultimately gain a reputation for being a "Jack of All Trades, Master of None.' The goal however with Saturn in Gemini is to become a Master of One, if not many. Even more important, is to become a Master of their own mind, a Mastermind.

The ongoing pressure to take in new information creates an intense restlessness where they can feel that they are always jumping from one thing to the next. This can also create the phenomena of experiencing boredom, if they do not have something right in front of them to do or to learn. Many Souls with Saturn in Gemini, 3rd house, must keep their hands active at all times, to calm some of this restless energy. I recently learned that the local hi school allows students to knit during lectures, as studies have shown that some students think better when they are doing something with their hands, as it helps those that struggle with too much mental minutia to relax and better take in the information. This would especially be true with Souls carrying this specific Saturn in Gemini signature.

This Soul will forever feel as if they are not smart enough, and there is great fear surrounding not being recognized as intellectually wise. They will speak with authority, at times, attempting to control the conversation. They can be very articulate yet do not dare speak of something they do not know for fear of being wrong. They may appear to feel confident with what they know, but many do not perceive themselves as smart. They judge themselves harshly as lacking intellectually, remembering that wherever Saturn sits in the chart, is an area of perceived lack or feeling limited in some way. So they will continue to return to written resources to build upon what they already know, in order create a secure base of knowledge in areas that interest them and feed their curiosity. The mind can also prove to be their greatest enemy, as Mercury is also the natural ruler for Virgo, and they must learn to understand that they do hold the key of control over what enters the mind, what stays there, and what leaves. Because the mind is working on overdrive at all times, creating a deep inner groove of content, it will be essential that they build a working base of thoughts that are productive, thoughts that also induce reflection, so they can sift through what is worth taking space in their process and what needs to go. Saturn in Gemini/ 3rd house Soul's have a measured mind, they work hard mentally and have a hard time leaving the confines of the brain space. The mind may be a place they return to where they feel safe, yet it can also be their greatest trap, especially if that mental reel involves thoughts of fears or doubt regarding their limited intellectual capacity or inability to come to conclusions on their own.

The story they tell themselves will become what is real and they will hold onto facts that make them feel secure. How they feed their thoughts directly dictates their inner emotional reality. Staying rooted in the mind creates a suspended emotional reality and yet it is their thoughts that will then set up the entire structure of their emotional world. They can use their thoughts to support and to strengthen their base or the thoughts can deplete and diminish their sense of self esteem. When they are trapped by their thoughts, this prevents them from accessing emotion as emotion, or  feeling through life's snags emotionally, they will work to think things through to the bitter end without recruiting their emotions or doing a 9th house gut check, which is the evolving intention of this signature, to lose control of the mind, to remember that there is a limit to what the mind can access, and to trust the deeper beat called the drum of the intuition.  

The information gained over time, has led to establishing a certain point of view, yet, this view of understanding is limited, so in order for them to evolve, new information that will be gleaned at some point will undermine the accumulated base of information, what they thought they knew to be true, and everything will blow up. As a result, so does their sense of emotional security, yet due to being a mutable sign, they are able to adapt and to again collect more information to support their new story. They are simultaneously attracted to and repelled by new information. They are attracted to it in order to expand and to grow and yet they may feel threatened by it if is contradicts what they have created in order to feel secure. As a result, they will control what comes in and what goes out. Because nothing is static in life, and change is inevitable, this foundation will be rocked, so the Soul can grow, fears will be faced and metamorphoses can occur. The degree of cataclysm will be directly linked with how much the Soul has identified with the information. If the Soul had completely identified with the information, the cataclysm will be total, and the concrete base crumbles. However, if an idea or a body of information has been taken in to a far lesser extent, then the degree of the impact will not be as intense. When a limit is reached, in terms of the information that this Soul has taken in, meaning that something that presents itself cannot be answered with whatever is in within them, a tremendous build up of pressure occurs, which creates cracks in the casing of the mind, so that more light and truth can filter in, seen in the polarity, 9th house, Sag. The degree of intensity at key turns for any Soul in their evolution, is directly linked with how much resistance the Soul has to its own need for necessary growth.

The reasons WHY a Soul with Saturn in Gemini or the 3rd house feels limited in the knowing realm, and therefore fearful of speaking up and out is due to the fear of being judged for what they know or don't know, this also stems from feeling as if something 'bad' will happen if they put their thoughts, ideas or words out there. Perceived authority figures have wounded them with words, or punished them for something they said or wrote in the past. Their own personal perception of themselves will come to equal the same negative messages pounded into them by a patriarchal voice, regarding what a disgrace and grave disappointment they may have been. Everything they had come to learn to be true for themselves or what they learned from their environment, was false, or worse yet, resulted in being subjected to intense persecution, alienation, incarceration and perhaps death.  Whatever they had come to know, seen in the opposition to Sag/9th house, was not in alignment with societies standards of what was right and wrong. As a result, the Saturn in Gemini Soul would find a way to distance themselves from the truth of their own nature, in extreme cases, running as far from the truth as possible, as a form of protection and self preservation. They must learn to own the truth and accept where that leads, for the truth is the only way forward, and any form of running, or hiding seen in the square to Pisces, would only result in running from themselves. Evolution for the Saturn in Gemini or the 3rd house born is to speak the fear out loud, to own whatever it is that they are afraid of, and the mere verbal release will serve to diffuse what has gripped them for lifetimes.

A Soul with Saturn in Gemini, ruler Mercury in Libra, will experience an ease of integration of the new information presented to them, especially if the information was offered by someone they knew, where there was documented evidence that the information was working well in their lives. It could be too with Saturn in Gemini forming a 1st quarter trine to Mercury in Libra, that they find this new information opens their heart in a new way, increasing their connection to the material, energizing a reality where their heart is all the way 'in it'. The 1st quarter trine can generate harmonization between something that mentally sounds good and something that feels good, in heart and body. This aspect would also allow the Soul to more naturally be able to bridge the gap between the heart and the mind, which can be a true tripping point for most Saturn in Gemini Souls, who often find themselves locked up in their thoughts.

One of the challenges with the Libra archetype, is being gripped with indecision, which is why the phrase has been coined, fence sitter, but with Saturn in Gemini trining its ruler in Libra, this can also connect to a Soul who knows exactly what it likes and dislikes, one who feels to know what is right and not right, knowing what creates harmony in their lives and what doesn't. However, this Soul will aim to please and be non confrontational in nature. This dynamic could also create scenarios where the Soul will simply tell you what you want to hear, linked with the need to keep the peace. They will not want to speak outside the lines in any way, or say things that are not in alignment with what society views as PC (politically correct) and they may also come to judge others if they hear something that is not in check with what they have come to determine is right and wrong, all linked with the fear of being judged for the very same thing.  There will be fear in hurting another which can prevent them from being totally honest and yet what this Soul will be learning is that in order to evolve, they must remember that the truth always creates the right reality, even when it hurts.  This Soul must come to accept the consequences of the truth, and learn to relate to others from this bottom line approach, seen with the full phase quinqunx between Gemini/3rd and Saturn/10th versus dodging or dancing around the truth, in an effort to avoid causing pain to another.

With Gemini, 3rd House forming a Full Phase inconjunct to Saturn, 10th house, this creates a limitation relative to what they can do in the world. Souls do not necessarily feel as if they can be whoever they want. There are rules and judgments by society that do not make this desire possible, thus limitations. connecting to a Scorpio vibration, reflected in experiencing social limitations. All Souls are inherently free, yet if the Soul is dropped into the human form, or what Yogananda calls the cage of the body, and placed into a time space universe called Earth, then one is bound by these limits. This is hard for the Soul to accept as they may feel forced to edit their desires for personal expression. Until the lesson is learned in this aspect, Scorpio confrontations, inner as well as outer, will continue to come their way. The waning quincunx will induce social humility and purification. It can also expose the super structure that they have built to define or protect themselves, if it is wrapped with layers of conditioning and not a true reflection of their Soul's intended design.

Saturn in Gemini, 3rd House Souls, especially those with the ruler Mercury being in Libra, will need relationships with others in order to process all that has been taken in. Connecting with others in this way will serve to release the intellectual/emotional build up of mental energy. In some cases, the need can be so great, these Soul can become compulsive talkers, much of which is content that is superfluous run off of whatever they have collected. They will need these relationships to not only process themselves, but also to bring in yet more information, which will create the need to continually adjust their ideas, which then means more facts are needed to explain in ever more detail the total picture of themselves and their reality. Even with all they have taken in, they will forever feel as if they do not know enough, and so they can become maxed out with information, on the brink of breakdown. This maxing out can cause all of what they do know to disintegrate, as there will be so many logical facts that connect, but no real holistic way to combine all the data into one big picture. They will find themselves walking down so many different roads at the same time, in hopes that they can find the one fact or tip, the one route that leads to the ultimate desired destination. With Mercury being in Libra, they can experience the 'grass is greener' phenomena as well within these travels, as it won't take much for them to switch tracks whenever they see something bright and shiny calling them in another direction. It can become the land of revolving doors of thoughts and ideas, where they end up not knowing who's coming or going, what facts are sticking and staying and where all this accumulation will lead. My teenage daughter with Saturn in Gemini, ruler Mercury in Libra was recently sharing with me about various ideas for experiential wellness projects at her school and one of the options involved not speaking one word all day. The entire day would be about listening, watching and reflecting. Remembering that these Souls not only need to speak to release the run off of content, they thrive on connection with others. Her response to this project was, "If I couldn't speak, I would lose my mind."

Another large lesson for the Saturn in Gemini/3rd house Soul is in learning the lesson of response versus reaction, which starts with learning how to listen. Gemini, Mercury and the 3rd house connects to the anatomy of hearing. Libra, Venus, 7th house connects to the psychology of hearing, therefore learning to listen. There can be so much information and content that this Soul needs to process that they can end up controlling the conversation and disregarding the voice of another. The art of responding translates into learning when to talk and when to pause, what to say versus rambling in a reactionary way in order to prove a point. They are also learning to communicate in a co-equal way, where listening to the needs and thoughts of others are just as important as what is coming out of their own mouth. They wrestle with the ability to be 'present', for their mind half the time is elsewhere. They are learning to listen to other people's ideas and learning what to take in and what to discard. The same is true for seeking out information when buying books. The Gemini Soul is classic for buying loads of books, in some cases simply because they liked the title or the picture on the cover, or because one person suggested it. Many of these books end up being half read, or not read at all, which continues to create a splintering effect of the mind. They are learning to buy one book at a time that they feel intuitively drawn to so they can inwardly decipher between people's opinions and that which is true.

The evolution for Saturn in Gemini, 3rd House is to develop their intuition, the part of themselves that knows what they know without knowing why they know it. The part of their being that simply knows something without needing to fact check it, it is simply true because the body feels it to be true without the need to access the mind for verification. Evolution for this Soul comes when they can understand the deeper meaning of the facts and information that they are taking in, to understand the significance of the metaphysical laws that are the basis for the physical laws themselves. They will come to a place where they can synthesize all the data, clearly understanding how the individual puzzle pieces fit to complete the total picture, how the individual parts fit into the working engine to make it run, so it can be understood as one working system. The key will be in learning how to quiet and calm their busy minds. The way to accomplish this is to open up and tune into their intuition, that space where the truth lives. This will lead them to be attracted to a philosophical or metaphysical system that they feel most intuitively aligned with, one that feels naturally true. This will allow these free floating thoughts to be grounded with a bottom line. The thoughts can then be integrated through this foundational philosophy and approach to life. By sticking to this bottom line base, it can allow for a correct interpretation of the facts and of the world around them. Depending on the stage of evolution, and past evolutionary conditions, some Souls will create their own bottom line philosophical approach on which they base their arguments for what they deem to be "right" in their opinion and facts. Others may align with two, three or more systems outside themselves and will select the principles in each that they harmonize with, and often times hold onto some pre-existing principles that they refuse to relinquish. This allows them to synthesize into their own brand of understanding and truth. Others will commit to one philosophical system outside themselves that they resonate with most in order to necessarily generate a bottom line to integrate through. These Souls are learning the limitations of the empirical  mind and intellect, and the power of lifting the roof of the mind and expanding their reach of understanding by effortlessly accessing the intuition, that space that is always plugged into the highway of truth.

The four evolutionary conditions will determine the kinds of ideas and philosophies that these Souls gravitate toward. Those in the herd state will listen to consensus opinions and ideas, for it is where they will feel the most safe, and will come to claim these ideas as their own. Accepted mainstream religions would apply here.  Those in the individuated state would choose to think for themselves. They would explore subjects outside the box and work to establish a more alternative understanding of the world. They would reject old formal texts that are not in alignment with their own developing philosophies, and would synthesize concepts from various places that would combine to equal the composite whole of their understanding. In advanced individuated state, Souls will rely on a pre-existing system outside themselves, one that feels most organically aligned with their roots, which reflects swift movement into the spiritual state, for they are learning the limits of leaning on a system of their own egocentric making for truth must be realized and not self created. In the spiritual state, these Souls will be attracted to metaphysical and philosophical systems that they feel most intuitively drawn to, systems that are based on intrinsic cosmic truths, that are the basis of Creation itself.

Family/Society

A Soul born with a Saturn in Gemini/3rd house placement reflects a Soul who needs a diversity of landscapes and options within their environment in which to explore and travel. They will be born into cultures that offer them an array of ways to access information and experiences that provide them with a plethora of options for self discovery and self understanding within their culture and society.
Saturn in Gemini may reflect a Soul with two fathers, one who is their genetic match and one who acts more like the actual father and raises them. It can also connect to having two fathers through a divorce situation or a death of one and another father at some point who steps in to take over in that role. It could be a situation where there are two men in this Souls life where they feel a fatherly connection to and look to for guidance and support. This too could equal an older sibling who takes on that role as father when there is an absence of parents. The upbringing for Souls with this signature, in some cases would involve father's who demand a proper, formal etiquette in conversation, where the words spoken reflect a respect for one's elders and where there would be strict guidelines for when to speak and when not to, and what can be spoken and shared and just what can't. The Soul may have also had past lives where fathers were verbally abusive or punished them for what they said, or what may have been written, in a diary, a journal or in some act that humiliated the family, for Mercury also rules Virgo. This can also be the classic signature for parents with a "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude. The Soul may have parents who are writers or who have authored books, parents who essentially write or speak for a living or do a diversity of work in their professions, allowing this Soul to also be exposed to the same diversity of interests. A Soul with Saturn in Gemini, ruler, Mercury in Libra would have chosen a life where two main male role models were in place as to enable them to compare experiences, to understand what they need in terms of parenting and by having two experiences, this would allow them to gain more information about who they are.

I have a son with Saturn in Gemini, and just as I was working on this assignment, he asked me how to open a bag of clementines. I told him to just cut through the netting and set them free. He then proceeds to ask his father in the other room the very same question. I stopped him before he could get an answer from his dad and said, " I just told you how to open the bag, why do you feel a need to then ask your father." My son replied,"I just like getting double approval." He has fears linked with past lives of getting into trouble with parents, and there were harsh repercussions for not asking if he could do something first by BOTH parents, before going ahead and doing it. What happens then in his situation if those two answers or opinions ended up being different or even opposite? This creates conflict and confusion, seen with the natural square to Pisces. He is learning to listen to his own intuition, to trust this without fear and to become his own inner authority.

Another example of Saturn in Gemini or the 3rd would be a Soul who does not want to be told what to do. Being given orders or direction would not go over well, as they do not react well to being told, they need to be asked and there will need to be an art in the asking. They also want to be able to figure things out for themselves and think for themselves in terms of the best way to go about something. The tone of the voice is also going to be important. For example, if you ask a Soul to do something with Saturn in Gemini, in a barking manner, you will only experience resistance and revolt. If you ask that same Soul with Mercury in Libra, it will be critical to speak in a kind tone, perhaps, starting with, "Hey, I need your help with something?" Those words will work magic and in most cases, the Soul willingly complies. "You can catch more bees with honey than with vinegar",   because this Soul is built to give and to help, and feels validated when they can do so.


Career - The Messenger

One of the greatest fears for all humans, second to to the fear of death, is the fear of public speaking. Souls with Saturn in the 3rd house would be top on this list, depending on their sage of evolution. However, with discipline of the mind and an evolved ability to listen and integrate all the information taken in, through a single bottom line intention they can become master communicators. These Souls feed off information, not only in consuming it, but in sharing what they have come to learn with others. There is a desire to become an authority in their chosen field of knowledge and they can have a natural magnetism that will attract others that are interested in what they have to say or share, because of the energy that they emanate. The chosen careers for these Souls will involve using their voice or their hands to communicate, to reach and to help others in some way. Some occupations that would apply here would be sales people of all kinds, due to their needs for a changing scenery throughout the day as well as their innate ability to relate to all people. Any type of music teacher where the hands and the voice are involved such as a guitar, piano, or voice teacher. Also a writer, teacher, speaker, journalist, and with the ruler being Mercury in Libra, there would be a natural draw to nursing or in any area where they are in control of helping another feel better, such as occupational therapy, Reiki, massage. This signature could also reflect a career in helping the deaf or teaching the deaf to speak through sign language.  A dancer or an artist would also apply here with the Librans love for beauty of expression and if there is a fear of speaking, they can find a natural way to release and to reach others through movement or color.

Guilt

Saturn in Gemini/3rd House Soul can experience guilt for the thoughts they have, especially if they go against what the mainstream judges as appropriate or clean, which would reflect a scenario of learned guilt. A natural guilt would occur when the Soul is having thoughts that reflect a double agenda, divided interests leading to actions of duplicity. Because of Saturn in Gemini's need for diversity, this can create situations where they have their hands in so many pies, they can never fully be committed to one. The need for diversity can lead to choices that generate acts of duplicity and the Soul's inability to be honest, for fear that they may lose or hurt another. They can end up talking out of both sides of their mouth in attempt to support both stories in place and their narcissistic need for these competing desires to be fed. Guilt will not always occur in Souls with a duplicitous nature as they will always have a story to justify their actions. At some point in the Soul's evolution, the tendency will be exposed, cataclysms occur so they can see themselves with lidless eyes and make the necessary adjustments involving total self honesty and honesty with others.

Gender

Gemini connects to the twins, or two. It can also equal both sides of the same coin, and with its trine to Libra, can reflect an androgynous nature, where the Soul needs to express both sides of gender, as the ultimate intention for all Souls is to become equally male and female. This Soul will work to integrate the whole of themselves versus just the male or just the female. Not in all cases, but in some, this can also be a signature as a bi-sexual being, and with the natural air trine to Aquarius as well, a Soul who is open to exploring all expressions of what is possible, in order to gain more information about themselves and how they are wired.

Saturn Retrograde in Gemini - Recover Your Voice.

A Saturn Retrograde mirrors the same Mercury retrograde intention, which is to recover the voice. But also to establish their own inner authority as it relates to their own wisdom base, and to become an authority with their message and their words. This Soul is a individuation process of the mind, where they are attempting to kick out old models of all the judgmental messages that have kept them locked up in themselves. They will reject any piece of information that goes against their own grain and does not feel to be in sync with who they are and what they think is right and true.  This can be a Soul who will devote and commit their time to becoming a master of their work, as a result of covering all the bases they can, combing through every last detail, so there will be no cracks in their story.  It can been seen in the writer who is never finished with the book, refining and revising it over and over, in an attempt to make it more "right" to the point of never feeling done. This life may very well serve as a life where the Soul will need to get back in touch with the truths within themselves that caused them to create the protective cover of the mind, in order to recover whatever may have been destroyed. They will naturally rebel against the mainstream mind, challenging consensus thought streams and limiting paradigms. They have collected so much information over time, that they will be busting at the seams, so the Soul will only be able to take in what is relevant for their life, for the cup will already be more than full. They can at times, totally tune out in conversation, when either the content becomes too much, or due to their mind pulling them in different directions, for they are always in the process of trying to finish a thought, or concerned they may forget something. It will be helpful for these Souls to write things down at times, especially the poignant messages of the truth, so they can return to these thoughts and more deeply integrate the meaning and the teachings. These Souls may not be able to take in information in the usual or typical way. For example, A Soul with Saturn Retrograde in Gemini, ruler Mercury in Libra, instead of reading a book, they will  benefit more by listening to books on tape, for the act of reading requires more concentration, energy and effort while listening to a soothing voice with just the right intonation will help the material filter in with greater ease.

In the case of the trine from Saturn in Gemini, to its ruler Mercury in Libra, this Soul will attract many admirers along the way, others of all ages, due to this Soul's ability to naturally relate to all people, yet keeping others also quite intrigued by their individuated edge of originality. This Soul could prove to help others evolve and work as an instrumental bridge between the mainstream world and the land of individuality. There will be a need to connect to people in a unique way, and to develop an approach to reach, teach and help others in a way no one else has thought of before.

A Poem written by my daughter with Saturn Rx in Gemini, Mercury in Libra, when she was in Middle School.






Spiritual State - Souls with this signature will feel they have a responsibility to disseminate teachings linked to what they have come to know. They may feel it is their role to become an authority on what they have taken in and assimilated as truth,  they can be designed to communicate key information that will lead others to these truth teachings, or to lead others into their emotions and heart, seen not only with 4th house Cancer archetype following Gemini, but if the ruler Mercury is in Libra, forming a 1st quarter trine, these Souls will clearly know the way in. JWG refers to this being the 'usher with the flashlight." the polarity of Gemini being Sag, the light symbolizing the truth. Words are not needed to be spoken, as communication can happen on many realms. Imagine a dancer, an artist or a musician, who expresses the heart of a song, expressing a world of emotion, without saying a word. For these types of Souls who have something to say, words limit or even paralyze them, and their art offers a boundless realm of expression.

ADVANCED STAGE SPIRITUAL

Sri Yuteswar - A timeley messenger, a father of words, sending a paradigm of truth to help others understand the evolutionary journey of the Soul. Geodedically, Saturn in Gemini connects to India, where this great Soul spent many lives.

He was a man of few words, but when he spoke, he spoke in reverberating truths that echoed for lifetimes, he is also the father of this great work we call Evolutionary Astrology, sharing these teachings with the world, reflected in his Saturn in Gemini in the 11th, ruler Mercury in the 10th.Yuktewar does not have Mercury in Libra, he has it in Taurus, which is also ruled by Venus, but he has Saturn in Gemini, conjunct Venus. Yuk's Saturn in Gemini, ruler Mercury, makes a balsalmic conjunction to Uranus(astrology) in Taurus in the 11th house. Yukteswar's Pluto was in Taurus, ruler Venus in Gemini trine Jupiter in Aquarius, ruler Uranus conjunct Mercury, ruler of Saturn in Gemini - the circle is complete.

Also his Mercury in Taurus is balsalmic to Saturn in Gemini/conjunct Venus in Gemini in the 11th house. Mercury, the ruler of Saturn in Gemini, sextiles Neptune, reflecting the evolutionary impact of his message, and ultimately serving as a messenger, disseminator of the EA paradigm, he did not share these teachings while here on earth, he downloaded this body of work through the ethers and into JWG's dream state. Yukteswar's Neptune in Pisces is exactly conjunct JWG's Moon. Yukteswars' Saturn in Gemini is also conjunct JWG's North Node is the 7th.

In reference to Yukteswar's evolved expression of the Libra/Venus archetype as it relates to expectations, is shared beautifully by Yogananda in Autobiography of a Yogi in Chapter 14, An Experience in Cosmic Consciousness,

Yogananda says, "Master, I must have disappointed you by my abrupt departure from my duties here; I thought you might be angry with me.

"No, of course not,! Wrath springs only from thwarted desires. I do not expect anything from others, so their actions cannot be not in opposition to wishes of mine. I would not use you for my own ends; I am happy only in your own true happiness."


Yukteswar's teaching here is one for us all to aspire to emulate, as we are human in the end, and unmet expectations are the root of great disillusionment and pain in relationships.

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Finding a way to quiet the mind will be a front line necessity for the Saturn in Gemini, 3rd House Soul in order to experience greater calm, allowing the intuitive voice of truth to override thought. Meditation is a natural way to accomplish a more balanced state and yet it can be quite a challenge for these Souls due to their inability to turn off the mind, unless one has evolved more deeply into the Spiritual State of evolution.

Yogananda also offers another favorite Venus teaching of mine when understanding the Saturn in Gemini placement with Mercury in Libra,  as it relates to removing expectations in meditation, with his Pluto in Gemini conjunct Neptune in Gemini in the 10th, ruler Mercury in Sagittarius, conjunct Venus. He says, "When you expect, you don't get. If you expect, you will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time." The expectations themselves will limit not only all relationships but it will make it impossible to connect with the Source in the way that the Soul ultimately desires.

Hi Rad and Group,
Here is my assignment. In the second part of it, my short-story turned into a long story...oops...
As always it was a great learning experience.
Gypsie.

SATURN IN GEMINI/3H/MERCURY
Ruler Sagittarius


The structure of consciousness

A diversity of experiences and stimuli
Gemini is yang, air, and mutable, and follows Taurus. The frog has jumped out of the well and away from subjective isolation and internalization. The journey is now about "experiencing, investigating, articulating, and circulating the complex circuitry of the physical world via the mind. Myriads of experience will take place in Saturn in Gemini's reality as it will gradually open itself to a diversity of relations as well as all kinds of short trips, whether real (travels) or symbolic (new ideas, mind speculations)(M. Manning). This projection onto its immediate physical world will be for Saturn in Gemini the ground to collect new information, facts and data and logically know and explain in ever greater detail the picture of the reality it lives in (JWG).

Every stimulus encountered in the external world via the senses i.e. sight, hearing, touch, smell, etc. will be named and classified so as to intellectually make logical and rational connections between them. The more access to words and ideas, the more Saturn in Gemini will maximize its ability to communicate and have control over its reality via its mind. From a conversation with another person (trine Libra), it will expand its communication to larger and larger circles of people (trine Aquarius) so that ultimately it will come to a broader understanding of itself and where it fits in the grand scheme of things.

Because of the curious nature of Gemini/Mercury function and its perpetual need for more knowledge, Saturn in Gemini's intellectual framework of reality and structure of consciousness will be constantly re-structured as new logical connections are being made. Moving from one exciting escapade to the next one, and from one provocative conversation to the next one, Saturn in Gemini will keep its entourage intellectually involved and informed through its exhilarating experiences. Via a diversity of experiences Saturn in Gemini will chase many ideas within the boundaries of its reality, constantly skim the surface of everyone and everything. It will be able to cleverly find those difficult answers, and doing it brilliantly without draining people's patience, such is the case of Barbara Walters, famous TV interviewer with a Moon in Gemini and Saturn in 3H, and lots of Libra.

A linear, left-brain, deductive approach
Saturn in Gemini came in this lifetime with the need to understand and explain its reality logically, piece by piece, fact upon fact. In its purest form, Saturn in Gemini will look at each piece of information as a single fact; verifiable through the senses and neither true or false. It will be constantly busy noticing everything around and collecting information. As new stimuli are encountered, it will give rise to one thought or idea in consciousness, which will in turn give rise to another thought or idea. This chain of logically and sequentially related thoughts and ideas and the connection made between them will be the way Saturn in Gemini will perceive, construct, apprehend and understand the social structure it lives in.

Too many facts, too many connections
The need to gather new information in order to keep expanding the mind will create a feeling of restlessness in Saturn in Gemini. However "there comes a point when too much information is being taken in with "too many inter-related ways and no common principle to tie everything together" (Deva). When one can't make sense of the too many pieces, confusion sets in (square to Pisces).

When Saturn in Gemini' s intellectual structure becomes limited by the nature of the information collected, or when the interpretation of the information collected is not in alignment with society's reality or the individual' reality, the Mutable Grand Cross as in Gemini, Sagittarius, Virgo and Pisces will be activated, and create stress and tension. This activation of the cross will have a specific effect on Saturn in Gemini relative to its evolutionary stage.

Because of the mutable energy of Gemini, Saturn in Gemini will need to be flexible, lives moment to moment. However it can at times bend too much and be in a permanent state of flux, not knowing which direction to go, being aimless and vacillating therefore procrastinating or avoiding altogether the efforts it has to produce. If it doesn't have enough knowledge it can become nervous and restless, lose perspective with an overload of knowledge, or become rigid with its pre-existing notions of what is true and false.

All mutable sign are involved with ideas and the gathering of knowledge or ideals in some way. When the way Saturn in Gemini is seeing, perceiving, defining and logically explaining its reality prevents further evolutionary growth the Mutable Grand Cross will create pressure on the individual to activate the process of sifting through (Virgo) facts, data and information collected by Gemini in order to discriminate which information to take in or not, based on the philosophical or cosmological system that Saturn in Gemini feels intuitively drawn to (Sagittarius). As a result a deeper meaning of the collected facts will be attained allowing for a more holistic synthesis (Pisces) of the facts, behind and beneath the factual outer reality.

Pre-existing notions and opinions
As Saturn in Gemini continues to expand its database and make new logical connections and interpretation between different facts, data or information, it will develop a set of pre-existing notions. These logical connections eventually will become the basis for opinions. An opinion is a specific idea ("¦) that reflects an interpretation of any given phenomena (Rad).

Both Gemini and Sagittarius will be confronted with issues relative to "what perception, thought or belief is right or wrong (JWG), or true or false. Both Gemini and Sagittarius will discard either "the" fact or "the" intuition that is undermining their pre-existing frame of reference, and therefore both may lie to secure their respective positions. The resistance to change one's point of view or belief will therefore depend on the degree Saturn in Gemini is attached to its pre-existing notions of what is true and false.

For evolutionary purpose, Saturn in Gemini will need to regularly learn to challenge its own pre-existing notions, and validate other intellectual systems and points of view that do not agree with its pre-existing intellectual system in order to realize that, at the end of the evolutionary journey, all paths eventually lead to the Truth and Unity (Pisces)(JWG)

When the intellectual structure is being challenged
A readjustment will be needed when the logical interpretation of reality (Gemini/Capricorn) doesn't fit how the social structure in place is mentally organized, or doesn't reflect the individual's reality and authority. Eventually Saturn in Gemini will realize that its understanding of the social reality it lives in (i.e. its county of birth and residence) and the way it interacts with, is not necessarily wrong but limited, and therefore must be adjusted.

When there is a resistance to adjust one's mental construct, the individual will be confronted by others whose intellectual knowledge of the social structure is more powerful (Scorpio) than theirs. Those people will expose the weakest link in Saturn in Gemini's intellectual arguments and organization of knowledge. As Saturn in Gemini experiences the power and legitimacy of the others' intellectual knowledge, it will absorb the new information into its psyche, which in turn will expand its data bank. As a result, an intellectual expansion will take place and a metamorphosis of the logical understanding of reality will occur.

In the Yod from Gemini to Capricorn/Scorpio, the confrontation of the mental construct must take place for evolution to proceed. The degree of necessary confrontations to challenge the crystallized intellectual structure will be to the degree Saturn in Gemini resists expanding its mind, and adjusting to the demands of the society of reference. Under the pressure of both quincunxes and via inner/outer crisis and inner/outer criticism, Saturn in Gemini will have to adjust the nature of the information it collects, its intellectual understanding of reality and/or the way it mentally navigates and interacts within the system, prior to being integrated by society.

In this confrontation and as new information is added, some facts will inevitably invalidate other facts in Saturn in Gemini database, therefore threatened its previous interpretation of reality and/or how it navigates in the social structure. Insecurity will rise, triggered by the paradox between its desire to collect more and more information which leads to an expansion of the mind, and its desire to solidify the mental construct of the ordering of its social reality and keep it as it for security purpose (Capricorn, Cancer). This paradox will cause an emotional crisis in Saturn in Gemini's structure of consciousness, with the need to go inwards, revise one's self-image (polarity Cancer) based on the new data, and create a new and solid foundation upon which Saturn in Gemini can understand, interpret and interact with its reality in a more expanded way.

Karmic and evolutionary lessons

Evolutionary purpose. The Saturnian lessons in Gemini

Why would a Soul choose to incarnate with a structure of consciousness in Gemini? The reasons are numerous and many different scenarios and circumstances can lead to it. In the past, Saturn in Gemini may have learned that the best way to become more effective in its environment was to be more versatile in its thinking; a very practical reason, however it may have become so versatile that it ended up scattered and lost within all the infinite possibilities. Saturn in Gemini may have chosen to come back in this life to learn to discriminate and master what information or point of view to take in or not. Maybe Saturn in Gemini held such a very rigid view on a subject matter in the past that nobody wanted to hear what it had to say, and when new facts invalidated its pre-existing notions of what was true or false, it led to its mental construct crumbling down; unable to restructure its view, it ended up depressed and demotivated for the rest of its life.

Saturn by sign, house, ruler and aspects represents in total the social and cultural conditioning factors within which an individual is born and through which one must do its "work" relative to its soul's karmic evolutionary needs and requirements. The nature of that structural conditioning contains the challenges or weaknesses one has to overcome in a particular area of life, as well as the discipline required to overcome those challenges as indicated by Saturn placement.

Saturn also contains the reward to be looking for when the obstacles have been removed and the mastery has taken place. When efforts have been made status, authority and success can be expected. On the contrary negative marks, sanctions, restrictions and judgments will be inflicted when one has failed to show strength of character and endurance in overcoming the fears prevented one from mastering the particular area of life one came back to master.

Since we pick up where we left off, Saturn in Gemini will have to physically face that particular area of life that was not mastered previously. Maybe Saturn in Gemini was too gossipy or opinionated in the past and this cost Saturn in Gemini its reputation, having to learn when to speak and when not to speak. Saturn in Gemini may have been very harsh and uncompromising as a parent when its child was unable to read properly due to a handicap, and decided to re-incarnate in this life with dyslexia. Or maybe Saturn in Gemini had the responsibility of delivering an important message in a time of great danger, but failed its mission, carrying a irreparable sense of great failure and guilt inside. So in this life time it has signed up to overcome its sense of failure as a messenger.

Overall, when Gemini conditions Saturn, the soul has chosen to come back to physical reality with the intention to continue developing the mind and the intellect through the experience of its immediate environment. Within that, the saturnian lessons are going to be around adapting to time/space and a diversity of environments, communicating in a clear and concise way so that everyone can understand what is being transmitted, and learning the difference between facts and opinions. Ultimately the lesson for Saturn in Gemini will be to learn that the mind by itself can't understand or explain life or Creation, that the mind is meant to be a instrument that gathers, organizes and communicate facts in such a way as to reflect Truth.

The saturnian circumstances around the mercurial theme may be experienced positively or negatively and everything in between. In either case those environmental conditions will be ground to master a specific aspect of the intellect and the mind. Whether Saturn in Gemini is or not equipped or up for the task, it will feel compelled to work hard in the area of life governed by Saturn placement, as the discomfort of not being able to master it properly will feel at times unbearable. There lies the power behind cosmic Saturn, to put the pressure on the individual as Saturn in Gemini must become an authority by doing its time and patiently and responsibly achieve the highest possible level of mastery.

With Saturn there will be no excuse-making, no slacking, as Saturn will accept none of that. The "karmic pledge" that the soul made prior to incarnating with regard to whatever in the past has kept Saturn in Gemini from achieving its goal, status and authority will need to be addressed. The depression or the feeling of inadequacy that Saturn in Gemini may experience when not making the necessary efforts to produce the expected results is meant to trigger the need to withdraw and reflect on the reasons as to why the individual is prevented from accomplishing its great work.

Saturn in Gemini- Social role and work function
In order to continue maturing the aspect of the mind or intellectual structure that has not been mastered yet, the soul must or will be led to choose a specific social role and work function/career of a Gemini nature. Climbing the ladder in the work function or social role, or working on its goals and ambitions, will be obtained by using Gemini skills i.e. finding the logic of the system, knowing whom to make a connection with, how to think appropriately, how to express itself to fit in, adapt to ever changing circumstances at work, navigate successfully the work arena, etc.

Saturn in Gemini's social role and work function will be to connect information and people to each other through those "stimulating channels of communication, education, commerce and transportation". All the particular Gemini skills we mentioned above, ability to gather all kinds of information and make all kinds of logical connections between them, communication, language, cool and rational attitude, logic, adaptability, mutability, quick mind, reasoning ability, versatility and sophistication will help Saturn in Gemini establish its own authority in society.

Saturn in Gemini may have a good head for business, a talent for cutting through to the hard facts, at home in changeable environments. Among others Saturn in Gemini could be an interpreter, facts researcher, curiosity seeker, journalism, storytelling or education, sciences, fashion magazines, theater, designer, web-zine editor/writer, political commentator, news anchor, educator, administrator, tour guide, librarian, professor, speech therapist, and massage therapist because of the use of the hands. It will also occupy function that require to connect geographical points such as pilot or bus/taxi driver.

"Once the necessary evolutionary lessons of Saturn in Gemini are developed, Saturn in Gemini's natural intellectual and communicative abilities "can inspire, motivate, enthrall, hypnotize, and metamorphose other people's intellectual patterns and opinions by sheer contact with them Saturn in Gemini's gift to understand the connection between the macrocosm and the microcosm, between truth and facts will also be unsurpassed. This ability can translate into taking any number of facts of a diverse nature and relating them to one central principle from which the facts emanate. The penetrating intellect can identify the essence of any question, problem, or issue that is posed by, or to, the individual. Once the core of the problem, question or issue is exposed, the solution can soon follow." (JWG).

Saturn in Gemini and Evolutionary stages

In each evolutionary stage, Saturn in Gemini will be asked to master a certain mercurial aspect of life, whether through the function of gathering information, of connecting information, people or places, of logically understanding or explaining a phenomenon, or of communicating it clearly and concisely to an audience. The evolutionary stage will determine the nature of the information collected and the ideas and philosophies it will gravitate toward.

Saturn's ruler  by house, sign and aspects will indicate how an individual's intellect is oriented toward the phenomenal existence, the type of information or fact it will gather from the external environment, the nature of the thoughts and ideas it will entertain, the way in which it will intellectually organize them, and the way in which it will communicate its understanding of the world to others.

In Consensus stage, Saturn in Gemini will absorb consensus ideas and opinions and make them its own. The father and parental environment will be the first place where this conditioning will take place, followed by other institutions including the work arena. In that evolutionary stage all form of consensus religions or philosophical explanations of life will be taken in wholesale, and necessary so, as the soul is learning to conform to the establishment and operate within its social, geographical and cultural boundaries for security purpose.

In individuated stage. Saturn in Gemini will reject and rebel against consensus ideas and opinions, starting with the family of origin and the father figure (if this one is in consensus state). Saturn in Gemini will explore the kinds of thoughts, ideas and subject matters that it is personally attracted to. It will attempt to create its own system of knowing and its own type of sub-language, often by synthetizing many different intellectual systems. As Saturn in Gemini realizes that "truth is not an egocentric creation, it will rapidly move into the spiritual stage" (JWG).

In spirituated stage. Here Saturn in Gemini's structure of consciousness will gravitate around spiritual matters and the timeless truths behind the physical laws. It will use "facts to illustrate a spiritual point or principle" and often will use metaphors and parables type of language to teach those truths and natural laws (JWG). The ultimate objective for Saturn in Gemini will be to realize, communicate and teach that the mind and the intellect must be at the service of Creation and that "the essential unity of all paths leads to the realization of the truth" (JWG).

Saturn in Gemini/Mercury in Sagittarius
Let's now see a non-exhaustive practical application of Saturn in Gemini, with its ruler Mercury in Sagittarius, in relation to the natural mutable cross and yod. Here are some common Sagittarius characteristics that will affect Saturn in Gemini: feeling of alienation, intuitive knowing, conceptual thinking, can be fixed in beliefs, need to convert, value honesty, can be natural loners, philosophical, ability to laugh at oneself, can make others laugh, natural storytellers, tendency to exaggerate, concerned with truth not opinion, natural people vs. sophisticated or cosmopolitan (JWG).

Sonia's Book of Life

Sonia's greatest joy in life is to learn and study. All you can see in her home is books, tapes, videos. On her coffee table she has plenty of magazines, National Geographic, National Wild Life, and Natural dogs, which she gets from the public library. She occasionally borrows some trendy magazines just to keep in touch with what's new out there.

Sonia is not quite sure what she wants to do in life. There are so many possibilities out there, but none that really strikes a cord in her. She has been trying many things in college, writing, journalism, literature, public speaking, linguistics, volunteering as a mediator, teaching English as a second language to new arrived immigrants"¦She did take some philosophy classes at her community college despite her parents telling her that it was a waste of time and will not land her a job, but she enjoyed the experience and would like to expand on it.

Sonia comes from a born-again Christian family with no academic background. She is literally bored around her family. All they talk about is the ordinary reality of life, the latest gossips with the neighbors, and the Lord Jesus. Within that, there is nothing that stimulates her mind, no room for asking questions that will lead to other exciting questions. She feels like she was born in the wrong family as no one has any clue about whom and what she really is. At times she provokes her family by exaggerating a story, or speaking and cussing in a way that her parents condemn, just to see their reactions, but that's how far the fun goes for her with them.

When she was young, Sonia could get very frustrated when she couldn't express something or didn't understand something. She would judge herself harshly, not trusting that everything would eventually fall into place. Her parents immigrated to the USA when she was 8 years old. The move was quite sudden and traumatic, due to the instability of their country of origin. When they arrived in the land of opportunities, her parents didn't speak English, and neither did she.

At such a young age Sonia had to very quickly learn all the basics in order to get by in her host country. Her brothers and sisters were younger so she was left on her own to figure out how everything worked in her new physical environment. She had to memorize the city geography which was quite different that the one she used to live in previously. Because the landmarks were different as well as the way people gave directions, she got lost many times.

She also had to learn the local currency, and how to buy food, how to take the bus, or how to navigate in a city where all the signs were written in a language that was foreign to her. At first her mind was overloaded with all the stimuli around, and she had no way to make sense of them. Often she found herself scolded or yelled at by others when, out of ignorance, she would do or say something that was not in compliance with the social rules and customs of her new country of residence.

When she started school she was often ostracized by either a teacher or the students, and made to feel ashamed and guilty when she couldn't understand an assignment or couldn't clearly express her ideas. She became very nervous about the risk of being wrong when speaking up, so she did work extra hard at night to improve her English skills. But still, she was being laughed at because of her accent, called names, and made to feel stupid by her classmates. This was such a shame as in her own native language Sonia was quite articulate, clever, and humorous. She had an agile mind and a highly developed learning capacity. She loved so much to learn and study. But without the necessary mastery of the English language and the knowledge of the new social rules and regulations, norms, taboos and customs, she felt handicapped and afraid to participate in certain activities at school.

Sonia had a deep need to be recognized for her knowledge and intellectual abilities. For that reason she always prepared her speeches in advance and spent long hours writing very carefully what she wanted to say later on. Translating her thoughts into English words was challenging to begin with. In addition, her wit was of no use without the right words and the ability to quickly tell a joke. So after trying, and being ridiculed many times she began to feel like an "intellectual outsider in her own family, classroom, and neighborhood", split apart from everybody, split between two cultures that didn't understand her. Being somewhat isolated, she was in need for a network of people to acquire the communications skills that could put her out of her misery and solitude. At times she felt depressed, and a feeling of futility would invade her. Why bother?

To deal with this she tried to develop an acute way of knowing and understanding her physical environment so as to have some control over her external environment. She developed certain strategies to deal with her deficiencies, by building a wall around her, adopting the very serious look of her father, or holding in her thoughts unless she was absolutely sure she could express them in a way that would not attract negative attention.

Since she left her natal country, she had a recurring nightmare where she was being speechless in front of a crowd yelling at her and threatening to ban her; she had no voice and couldn't explain herself. Each time, she would always wake up in a sweat, feeling lonely and afraid to face the harsh world out there. Once in a while though she would have a very peaceful dream of an old wise man handing her a book with many pictures in it. It was titled The Book of Life. That dream was comforting to her, although she didn't know what the book was about. The dream always came when she was just about to give up.

"¦Many moons have passed since Sonia's family came to America. Today her father owns a new/used car company. He had somewhat learned the language, has a good reputation and is doing well in business. He has worked hard to give his family a normal and stable life. Although Sonia's father is a decent man she can't quite relate to him. He mainly read literature from his church and is getting quite huffy when, at social events, someone challenges his strong beliefs on ethics or its old ways of doing things. And although he can be quite a talker when it comes to cars or religion, and can think on its feet, he is the serious type with no interest in discussing cultural or social topics with Sonia, less touchy-feely subjects. He uses the internet for two reasons, to get the latest news on cars, and to find some tips on how to become a better salesman.

During the little time Sonia spends with him and the family, they eat together and play games. If it is Sunday they go to Church and she has to go with them, which she really dislikes. She tried to be lighthearted and funny, so that the visit could be somewhat bearable, but there are worlds apart. Her parents belonged to an old tradition and culture which she has almost forgotten everything about. She is part of the modern world and happy about it. The mentality gap between them is big, and getting bigger as she matures in age.

Between the time she arrived in the USA and now, Sonia has been catching up with her ability to skillfully interact with others and express her thoughts or opinions. She had mastered the English language as well as the "American way". She is very personable and for sure can make people laugh. But although she is very articulate and refined in her way of thinking and carrying on interesting philosophical conversations, she still has some residual fears around chatting, small talk and interchange of ideas with others in public places. When this comes up, she calls her close friends, and just talks to discharge her mental and nervous build-up. Once in a while she also meets with a professor she has come to trust, and over a cup of coffee they talk about the world situation, the different factions in her country, and the beliefs that holds people in bondage there.

Sonia had overcome so much since she was young, from being an immigrant and having to develop the skills of a "street smart kid", to later on understanding the social structure of the country that has welcomed her. But her fear of public shame relative to her parent's social and cultural background is not totally gone. At times she hides or denies where she comes from for fear of being embarrassed and not considered "sophisticated enough or in line with the current trends" by her peers. At times there is also a slight inclination for her toward negative thoughts around feeling less intelligent than her college classmates. To compensate for it, she had worked very hard to get her college degree as a way to certify her academic abilities; she wants her knowledge and intellectual skills to be approved by an authority so that she can really say that she made it. And she did. Now she had established herself through her own efforts and self-determination. She has been acknowledged by society through earning her Master degree in Education, and is looking for a teacher position to positively contribute to her society.  

Although Sonia has overcome all sorts of life obstacles and have a nice diploma on her wall, deep inside, she still feels restless. She senses that there is a special destiny out there for her to fulfill in the world, but she can't figure out what it is. So for the time being she is thinking about traveling and exploring parts of the world she doesn't know yet. Maybe that way she could discover something about it, before making a decision about her career.

Some time has passed since she's returned from her trip. One day her best girl-friend Rita stopped by for a visit. She had just bought a Tarot deck at a garage sale. She didn't know much about it but said that she liked the pictures, found them to be very colorful and intriguing. They both looked at the cards for a while, pondered and conjectured on them, chatted a little bit more, and then Rita left.

Once Rita gone, Sonia started thinking about that deck of cards. She revisited in her mind some of the cards"¦there was one with a very strange and scary picture of a man laying down on his belly, many swords stuck in his back from his neck down. "Wow"¦how weird" she thought"¦Then another card came to mind, titled "Judgment" with the picture of a man, woman and child, naked standing in a coffin, arms up  looking to an angel in the sky playing the trumpet. The word Judgment resonated in her. Right away she thought of the Bible. She used to hear her father talking about the Last Judgment. She never paid too much attention to him as all his religious talk was a turn off. She tended to stick to verifiable facts over some kinds of old beliefs about a God out there in the sky, and more so a male one, with a white beard that nobody knew where he came from.

Another card came back to her. It had a roman number on it and was titled The Devil. It depicted a human body with goat' feet, and the head of a beast, with two big horns. The Devil was sitting up high on a box. In front of it, stood a naked man and woman chained to the box. Sonia was a little spooked at first. She had no clue where those pictures were coming from, and even less what this Tarot deck was about.
-"Is it connected to the Bible?" she wondered. "Is it Christian?" "I have never heard anybody referring to a Tarot deck when we went to church". Sonia went straight online to find more about that strange deck of cards hoping to find some information on it.

Lo and behold she found a lot of information. She discovered that some people were using this deck to read the future. Now she remembered reading somewhere that the Gypsy's where also using cards like that to look into the future. She now was wondering about all those Christian symbols on the cards, and whether the cards related to the Christian tradition or the Gypsy's. As she continued digging into the matter, she found the ad of a metaphysical bookstore in town that was selling Tarot decks. Her mind was now spinning. "I got to go there". And off she went, hoping on the first bus going downtown.

"The East West Bookstore" was just a few steps from the bus stop. The storefront was filled with books on Celtic and Egyptian traditions, fragrance oils, spells kit, crosses and pentacles, smudging supplies, herbs, amulets, etc. Before entering into the bookstore she looked left and right to see if anybody she knew was watching her, then quickly went in. To her greatest astonishment, she found a brand new world"¦crystals hanging everywhere, jewelries with all kinds of religious symbols. She noticed a nice but strange smell when she came inside the bookstore, and some soothing flute music was playing. The whole place was filled with books and all kinds of Hindu and Buddhist statuettes.

She began asking questions to the gal over the counter who was dressed in a very unusual outfit and was wearing some yin-yang shaped earrings. "What is it called?" she asked pointing toward a pendulum. -"What is it made of? What is it for?" As the gal was talking to her, Sonia listened to everything she said while her eyes were gleaning over the counter and cataloging everything she saw.
-"I would like to buy a Tarot cards deck" she said "but not sure where to start". The gal showed her an entire section with all the Tarot decks available. -"Wow! How many Tarot decks are there? Are there a lot of people buying those? Do you use it yourself?" The gal briefly mentioned that there was a Tarot class starting next month and showed Sonia a section of Tarot books, then went back to her counter.

Sonia was puzzled. She looked at all the tarot decks. There were probably 40 of them. Sonia spent more than four hours looking at all them, and also at Tarot books. Overwhelmed by the choices she thought -"I wanted to buy only one deck, but I like this one, and this one, and this one too. Which one do I take? Will there be a difference in all those decks?" Meanwhile she noticed a little back room and on the door a sign-up sheet for "Psychic readings". -"I wondered who does psychic readings here, and what those people look like?".

She finally decided to buy the Rider Waite deck as this was the same as her girl-friend's. She hesitated for a while between buying a book on the history of Tarot which she was interested in learning more about, and a manual on how to interpret the cards in 31 days. She picked the latter, feeling a bit out of her comfort zone buying a book on how to read the future.This was really in contradiction with her upbringing and her beliefs, but she couldn't resist the temptation.

She quickly left, making sure to keep the book and the Tarot deck inside the bag, as she felt a little bit uncomfortable being seen with such materials. At home she started to look at all the cards, and read the accompanying booklet which was giving an interpretation for each card. In the booklet it was recommended to look at the various structures used in the Tarot, such as the major arcana and the minor arcana.

That night Sonia called Rita to talk about everything she saw and learned at the metaphysical bookstore. She described in details the book she bought and all that which she has already discovered about the Tarot. Then she told Rita that in less than 31 days she will test the system and see for herself if it can indeed tell the future.

-"What do you think?" Sonia asked". -"I don't know if I really believe in fate" Rita said, shrugging her shoulders.

Sonia remembered that the booklet did mention the fact that the tarot was not just about reading the future but also about the past and the present, and could get information about a situation to get a better understanding of it.  -"Ha!" said Rita, " in that case, you may be able to help me understand my boy-friend and what to do about him". -"Could be" said Sonia. "just give me 31 days."

That same night Sonia started to voraciously study all the different aspects of the 78 Tarot cards, including 22 minor "arcana" and 58 major "arcana". She found out that the word arcana meant "a secret, a mystery". There was a lot of information to assimilate in addition to the basic structure of the Tarot itself, such as the traditional meanings of each card, the name of each card, the key words for each card, the air, earth, fire and water elemental associations , the numerological associations, the symbolic associations, and the astrological associations.

-"I will have memorized this in no time" said Sonia with confidence. "Once I get a solid foundation in the theory and structures that sit behind the Tarot, I will be able to test if this works or not".

After memorizing the whole deck, Sonya started studying the layouts of cards. She first studied three different layouts, then added two more. Each layout was designed as a whole to address a particular issue such as relationships or work. Within the layout each position reflectes a particular aspect of a relationship or work situation. A card was then interpreted within its position in the layout relative to the subject matter investigated. The booklet said that, in the tradition of Tarot reading, the user picks cards, which are then laid down on the table forming a specific shape and sequence in which the cards have to be read and interpreted.

Sonia noticed that she could easily remember the placement and meaning of each position, so she felt confident that she could do a Tarot reading if she followed all the steps. In the meantime, she bought more books on the Tarot. As she read them she discovered additional meanings for each card which she added onto her already long list. Three weeks into her studies, Sonia's Tarot database was beginning to expand quite a lot. She began to realize that each of the 78 cards have an infinite number of possibilities, many more than she thought. But she felt she could still handle it.

-"It just a matter of being well organized and having all the meanings and interpretations in place" she thought. -"Once I have all of them", I will read each card based on their position in the layout, then connect the cards together by identify themes and patterns and create a logical interpretation of the whole. The final card will then give me the outcome of the situation and will confirm the message of each other card".

As Sonia was learning the basic meaning of the cards, she found a forum on the Tarot. She was excited to share a common knowledge with other Tarot readers and was hoping that it would help her figure out faster how to successfully read the cards. Each night she spent time discussing the cards and the pictures with her forum mates, and how to connect them together.

That evening someone mentioned that she also had to learn how to connect each symbol on the pictures such as a mountain, a bird, a house to the meanings she already has of all the cards. Another one talked about connecting the meaning of the different colors and shapes. Sonia felt suddenly overwhelmed. "I need a book on this" she thought. So she went back to the bookstore and got one more book on the symbols, shapes and colors in the Tarot and was convinced that this was the last piece she needed to finally put it all together.

After much studying, the thirty one days were up. It was time to test the system. Sonia felt she had a good grip on the meaning of each card and how to relate them to each other relative to the layout. She was excited and called Rita to invite her for the reading. As Rita arrived, everything was already in place. Rita drew 11 cards from the deck as instructed. Sonia laid the first 9 cards face up on the table, one by one, in a circle, then placed the 10th in the middle of the circle and the 11th crossing the one in the middle. She then proceeded to read them methodically, in a linear and sequential way, one card at a time as she had just learned to do.

The reading began. She started interpreting each card in its respective position in the layout. Then proceeded to relate each card to all the other cards. As she was building up the interpretation of each card individually and then connect them to the rest of the cards, she realized that there were many possibilities of interpretation in Rita's situation, some contradicting each other. The problem was that she had no way of knowing which one was accurate or false. All she could do is take a guess. And how could she take a guess? She had one chance out of two to be wrong. Sonia was puzzled. She suddenly realized the limits of the Tarot structure.

"Look Rita" says nervously Sonia"¦"on one hand the cards say it will work out and you should spend a little time apart, on the other hand it seems to say that you must run away as fast as you can from him. Which one is true?
-"I don't know" Rita says. "You are the reader."
-"I am sorry, I am not very helpful. Actually I am dam confused"¦I need to sit on this a little bit longer. Maybe I am going too fast". Maybe I am missing something here. Maybe I need to study more. I have been studying these cards for weeks and I know all the meanings of the cards, but I still can't tell you much about your boy-friend and the situation. I can't even verify if the system works or not. Although after second thoughts, this may be my proof. The system doesn't work!"

The more Sonia read books and tried to interpret the cards in a logical way, the more confused and discouraged she became. She had to admit to herself that she was stuck in trying to get one straight answer from these cards. Each card had in itself so many possibilities which combined with the 11 positions of the layout made the possibilities of interpretation infinite.

One more time, Sonia went back to the bookstore and talked to the gal over the counter. "Oh, I know what you are going through" said the gal. -"I experienced the same thing! You must learn to read the cards intuitively".
-"What? Sonia said. "What do you mean?" -"Trust what comes to you" said the gal, "that's all", "and you will get the answer". -"Sure"¦thought Sonia, "you couldn't have been more helpful!"

Even more confused Sonia went back home, trying a more simple layout this time with only 3 cards. But the same thing would happen over and over. She would get multi-possibilities of interpretation and bu no way to know which way to go with it.

She went back to the bookstore. -"Do you have a book on intuition?" said Sonia, talking like she was now an old customer. -"Yes here is one. Start reading the last page", said the gal behind the counter. -"That's not how I usually read a book" said Sonia. -"Be my guest then", says the gal. "do as you please, but you will come around. There are some laws that you can't ignore".

-"Some laws"¦you can't ignore???" Unsure about what the gal was talking about and not in a good mood, Sonia left. This time on the bus, she took the book out of the bag to check the title as she bought it without even looking at it. And then, her jaw dropped"¦The Book of Life she mumbled...that's the book in my dream! How possible is that?

It took her several minutes to recover her senses. Then went straight to the last page of the book. It read":

"Intuitive learning makes the Tarot your own and helps the cards come alive for you on a personal level. It is also what connects you to the Universal or collective knowledge that exists." It continued:
"Intuitive learning is about learning to trust your intuition and being dynamic in your interpretations of the cards. It is one thing to be able to recite all keywords of the 78 Tarot cards, but to deliver accurate readings, you will need to be able to go with your gut feeling and align the card meanings to fit the situation. While the intuitive approach is more fluid and unstructured, there are activities you can do to increase your intuitive understanding of the cards. For example, you will learn to look at the imagery of the card and gauge your initial reactions to the card, and you will learn how to align your personal experiences with the cards" (Biddie).

And so the story of Sonia goes. As she learned to listen to and trust her own intuition, the cards began to reveal themselves to her. Understanding the structure of the tarot, the images and the organization of the cards was very helpful as it helped her to have a structure in place, but her intuition and knowledge of life is what helped her connect to the relevant information in the cards.

Sonia read The Book of Life again and again, each time deepening her understanding of the wisdom and the timeless truths underneath each of the 22 major arcana. It was not just some random cards, but some higher knowledge she was tapping into intuitively and expressed via a structured and pictural language, the Tarot. She understood that the cards represented the complexity of life and there was no end to the wisdom that could come through the Tarot as each archetype in the cards was opening up a field of multi-possibilities relative to a person's history. All the relevant facts as expressed in the cards relative to their position in the layout had therefore to be grasped on an intuitive level to make sense of them, as there was no logical way to decide what piece of information or connection between the different pieces of information was applicable to the readee or not, therefore there was no way to decide what was true or false.  

From that moment of truth on, the cards became a spiritual tool for Sonia, a book of knowledge and a book of life through which she could intuitively understand the world and herself. As Sonia continued to build up her intuitive reading skills, she began working in Psychic Fairs and met many interesting people. Later on, she developed a method to teach people how to read cards on both an intuitive and rational level, making the archetypes come alive by weaving them with the lives of her clients.

Sonia doesn't read books as much anymore, but spends time meditating and writing about the truth she has found in the Tarot. She also write about how it has transformed her life, and how the Tarot has taught her a new language that she is very comfortable with and can openly share with others.

Her family however is not open to it and feels very uncomfortable with her being a Tarot reader, especially since the Church saw it as the work of the devil. What a waste they tell her, having done all the academic studies she has done to end up being a psychic...For a while Sonia tried to convince them to let her do a reading for them. She had even offered to teach them how to read the cards so they could see for themselves, but they turned her down. Sonia felt very rejected and since then has become very self-righteous, putting her family's Christian beliefs down. In reaction of her family shutting her out of their lives she became ever more adamant about "their false beliefs", calling them "ignorant church-goers" in front of their noses.

Even though Sonia claimed to have found the truth, her girl-friend Rita saw her changing, and not for the better. So one day she kindly approached her and said -"Sonia, drew one card about your situation with your parents and what you need to know and do about it. Whatever card it is, if you agree to truly follow through and apply the wisdom of that card, I will myself learn the Tarot too, as I want to understand the wisdom and the truth you see in it".

Sonia was touched by her girl-friend's concern and friendship, and she agreed.

Out of the 78 cards, Sonia pulled The Tower card. It was quite a shock at first for her to see that card, as the Tower called for immediate change. Strongly-held beliefs, perceptions, attitudes and behaviors were in need to be shaken down. The Tower was an awakening to the truth, and like the bold of lightning that strikes the top of the Tower as seen on the picture of the card itself, it was here to destroy the illusion of considering oneself as superior.

The Tower card completely threatened the foundation of Sonia' sense of security relative to how she had mentally organized her reality around her belief system. Rita saw how Sonia was struggling with this. So she gave her the time to assimilate what was just happening. But Sonia had her feet on the ground and knew the meaning of that card very well. She knew that when the Tower shows up, it is time to break down the rigid structure one has surrounded itself with.

Bravely, Sonia continued reading an excert of the Tower card meaning to Rita: "When the Tower of ego, of perception and of illusion is destroyed, you are free to face the truth and reality without the trappings of false attachments". In a split of a second Sonia got her proof. She knew right there that the Tarot was working, but not in the way she expected and not in a way she could explain it logically either.

As the Tower archetype continued to operate through Sonia, her expectations of everybody looking into the Tarot for truth and guidance dissolved. Sonia had let go of her opinion that only her way was the right way. A beautiful wise smile appeared on her face when she realized that her own authority and faith couldn't be threatened by anybody else if she really walks her talk.

With her new transformed self-image she is now much calmer. She doesn't react as quickly to her parents' religious beliefs and doesn't judge them anymore on that basis. Because of her internal change of perception, her parents has progressively began to open up to her again, but in a new way. They are still not yet ready for a Tarot reading but they have accepted to look at the cards and listen to what she sees in them. In exchange Sonia has agreed to come to Church with them and behave! She truly feels a new sense of connection with her family and is wanting to see the best in them as she knows deep down that she didn't land accidentally in this family and she may still have something to learn with them or from them.

Sonia has now truly mastered the Tarot, and through it, she has actualized her special destiny. Her book has been published and she is very much respected among like-minded friends and clients who want to shift from a left-brain approach to a more balanced and truthful way of life. She could have been a special Ed teacher or a journalist, but now she wants to live in a more rural area, be around nature and teach the wisdom of the Tarot to children who are facing ADD symptoms and other learning disabilities. She has the inner calling of using the symbolic language of the Tarot, and via telling stories want to transmit its wisdom to the children and their parents. She can envision the children playing with the cards in a natural and fun way, balancing their mind and intuition as they color the cards or dramatize the characters on the cards. She wants them to be naturally touched like her by the profound timeless truths that had transformed her life, and this, without even have to know what the cards mean.

With each passing moon, Sonia continues to let the Tarot naturally reveal itself to her. Through it, she has learned that Truth is infinite and expands as she expands her mind. The old wise man in her dream never came back, and neither the recurring nightmare. As she sits now by a tree watching the children running around, playing, laughing and learning about life and themselves in a very natural way, she feels like she had reached the promised land, and that her voice has finally been heard.

-Gypsie

Hi Gypsie and Kristin,

I will wait for Skywalker to post before I comment on the tremendous effort you have both made.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and Group,

Sorry for the delay and thank you all for the ongoing efforts.

Aries initiates, Taurus maintains and Gemini expands thru diversification of the mental functions of linear logical processing and the gathering of empirical information. The left brain correlates to Gemini/Virgo and the Third/Sixth Houses and is ruled by Mercury. In Gemini or the Third House the Mercury functions in a masculine way therefore the energy is moving outwards from its own center. Gemini and the Third House work in combination thru polarity with Sagittarius and the Ninth House, which correlates with the intuitive holistic understanding of phenomenal reality. They both correlate to the left and right hemispheres of the brain. Mercury to the left and Jupiter to the right. Gemini collects data and thru Sagittarius it´s synthesized and understood in a philosophical sense and thus correlates to our belief systems.

Relative to the past structural nature of consciousness and the evolution of the Soul thru the realities it creates, Saturn will have a South Node placed in a House and is in Capricorn for all of us alive today. In Capricorn it represents the fact we experience and have been experiencing life on physical Earth for quite some time and it also means that our Souls have experienced the transition from matriarchal times, to un-natural, man made, distorted patriarchal times. We are all reaping the karma for our past distorted actions in varying degrees and collectivell have to take a step backwards in order to be able to progress in a healthier way. This would mean to slow down and reflect on what is really important and essential to our existence and that of the planet, and to make the necessary changes.  With the North Node of Saturn in Cancer, it indicates a need to create societes and realities that are based on more of a familial structure than a corporate one. To turn towards the natural feminine in order to heal and balance out the patriarchal masculine qualities which have been highly distorted. Mass raping of the Earth and its inhabitants are the result of such distortions. We all know too well that we carry a certain sadness and sense of futility because of the way the world system is setup and destroys that which is so essential for all life forms to thrive"¦ the planet itself.

In Aries, Saturn represented the initiation of a new cycle in which the Soul desired to experience itself and reality in a new way. In Taurus it indicates that whatever reality was experienced in the past, as shown by Saturn´s South Node, would be sustained in order to develop one´s ability to survive and consequently to deepen the value system. In Gemini, the structure of consciousness and reality the Soul experiences, is being expanded upon mentally in order to diversify and mutate the  consciousness and reality.

When Saturn is in the Third House or Gemini the consciousness is structured in a way that is inherently mutable and thus adaptable to new experiences while also craving them due to natural, innate curiosity, in order to collect new and varied bits of information so that there can be a greater understanding of phenomenal reaity and an ability to move within the environment, and to communicate ideas and opinions to others, which will only have the effect of increasingly expanding the information one collects, therefore making this placement ideal for a consciousness which desires to continually expand his or her knowledge and mental abilities. This expansion will require hard work, effort, persistance and a lot of reflection. Because of the need to expand and be adaptable, there can be an open and let´s see attitude.

The evolutionary level will be very important in order to understand the type of information the Soul will be collecting and also to how the mental processes will be experienced from within. A Soul in the consensus stage will be collecting information in order to have more knowledge about the system it finds itself in so there can be a progression within that system. In the individuated stage the consciousness will be focused on personal expression and the development of the mind in order to express the individual uniqueness of the personality. In the spiritual stage the Individual will be looking for various ways to understand logically and then to communicate about the ultiimate realities that it interfaces with, as it tries to comprehend them.

In all stages there is a potential to become a teacher because of the hard won, hands on experience with various subjects, disciplines or realities, which can lead to a sense of accomplishment if there is a true effort to study and learn a body of knowledge until it is mastered. Saturn in the Third House or Gemini will also want to deal with tangible knowledge and information which is of practical use.


Due to the need to reflect on one´s own mind in order to expand and mutate into something else, there can be a consciousness that is highly internalized and judgemental and thus also reflects the very same qualities back from the environment in a multitude of ways in order to enforce the necessary lessons of correct judgement. Remembering the fact that we have been creating this patriarchal world based on domination and control for thousands of years, we have all naturally accumulated guilt in various ways. Some of the guilt will be because of natural reasons, such as mistreating other living beings unjustly, and some guilt will be simply the projection of others onto us because of distorted belief systems, which have nothing to do with how life is naturally meant to be. An example of such distortions would be the belief that humans are more important than any other species on Earth and have the right to "tame" nature and/or destroy it at will. Another would be that one race of people is superior to another, or to other life forms on Earth and yet another would be that one gender is superior to another, generally the male gender.

The consciousness may be structured in a way that creates various crisis in order to humble itself due to the natural tendencies for exageration inherent in the Mercury archetype which is in of itself indiscriminate in regards to what information it collects. With Saturn here thou, there can be hard lessons regarding a lack of discrimation relative to what one experiences, what one studies, what one says etc. Saturn in the Third House can naturally be a little mischevous as Gemini is a bit of a trickster and needs to learn maturity. Saturn can pretend and change skin in order to control circumstances, it can be all appearances and look great from the outside but be different on the inside. With Saturn in the Third House there will be a conscious focus and self reflection relative to honesty as the individual interfaces with the environment on a daily basis. Honesty and the lack thereof being constantly a dance of light and darkness within the thoughts of the individual as he or she communicates with others and attempts to express him or herself in a way that is efficient and constructive.

The School of life

With Saturn in the Third House, the consciousness of the individual will be continuosly expanding by learning about anything and everything. From an early age the individual will have defined for him or herself that life itself is all about learning and since it´s Saturn we´re speaking about, the process may feel like a burden at times due to seeing the task as something negative. Saturn can be burdensome in some ways and make the learning process difficult or in some cases there can be actual mental and/or physical disabilities which may difficult the learning experience. Saturn represents strength once we have structured ourselves accordingly and have paid our dues but, until we have grown in maturity and responsibility, where Saturn is located, can represent an aspect of ourselves and our lives that is a heavy burden. The positive side of Saturn in the Third or Gemini is the ability to keep on growing and thus, to one day reach a sense of accomplishment and build something thru the intelligence of the mind or thru teaching younger generations, thru studying and becoming a leading edge academic authority, due to having studied over a long period of time and collecting vast amounts of data, knowledge and in some cases real tangible wisdom. Saturn needs to materialize that which it knows, to crystalize it and therefore the mind will be focused on applicable knowledge in the real world. Knowledge that is tangible and of practical use. In Scorpio, the Mercury function will desire to know about the very inner workings of the mind itself. Some may be attracted to psychology or hypnosis, past lives, the occult or detective work in order to understand human nature.

Saturn is naturally a cardinal archetype which means it is action oriented and when we combine a cardinal planet in a mutable house or sign we will have a very active energetic signature in which the individual is easily bored by a lack of motion, change or stimulus, therefore actively searches to experience various dymanics related to the nature of the archetypes involved. In this case with Saturn in the Third House or Gemini the mind can be highly active, dynamics around communication with others will be highly emphasized in order to structure it´s own personal data base of experiental knowledge and connections. There can be a lot of dealing with others on a daily basis in various ways which will simply be a refleciton of the Souls need to experience a great deal of mental stimulus in the current life in order to master the use of the mind thru hard won experience which leads to the personal and impersonal "know how" the Soul is looking for.  At the same time the Soul may feel the effort is a burden and taxes the system, specially  the nervous system as the Soul then interacts with various others. Some Souls who are very Mercurial can simply be overwhelming to the individual as they can emit high amounts of stressful nervous energy and in combination with Saturnian influences, the way they communicate can be judgemental and feel heavy or tiring to the individual with a Third House Saturn. Saturn here will be reflecting something back to the native who needs to learn lessons about the correct use of mental energy and communication in various ways, such as"¦ not being overly judgemental him or herself when dealing with others. There can also be an almost total lack of communication with others if the Soul is still in the beginning of its learning process in regards to these dynamics. The core issue here is to structure these communicative and mental abilities over time.

Saturn in Gemini will be ruled by Mercury which can be located in any sign of the Zodiac. The sign Mercury is in will give additional information to the way Saturn operates and to how the individual consciousness is structured. Mercury will help to actualize the Saturn archetype and will also condition it. The ruling planet in my understanding also modulates or feeds the planet it rules with its own energy signature, information and archetypal dynamics that lead to a total and unique combination of archetypes operative in the psyche of each and everyone of us. Mercury will also be in a phasal relationship to Saturn which will give additional and important information as to how the Soul empirically experiences its reality and thus defines it for itself. It is also thru this constant mental analysis of reality that over time the individual can accumulate knowledge and information that can then be passed on to others. In some cases the individual may become an authority on a body of knowledge or in a school because of a lifelong effort to learn.


With Mercury which rules Saturn located in Scorpio, we can expect a deepening of the mind that will desire to empower itself thru various means. The mind will be deeply focused on whatever it desires to learn and probe into matters with unrelentless resolve and precision. This is the detective signature, the individual that always asks why and is always trying to uncover the deeper layers of reality as that is where the power usually lays, at the root. This is a mind that when communicating with others is highly focused on the power dynamics between those involved, consciously or subconsciously. This symbol correlates with an individual who due to past life issues of abuse may fear betrayal and being scammed in normal dealings with others and thus be highly suspicious of their motives. Therefore when communicating with others the focus is always on the desires of those who interact with the Scorpio Mercury in order to not be betrayed in any way.
In some cases, depending on evolutionary level, the individual can be so mentally penetrating as to see past lives or their dynamics and other subconscious behaviours people are expressing yet, the other person being observed may be totally unaware of their own motivations. In this case the Third House Saturn is learning boundaries relative to information he or she should share with others and is learning that each individual has their own mental structure and level of awareness that will define their ability to logically understand and then communicate with others.There can be a tendency towards confrontations with others if the individual is too forceful and inflexible due to the rigidity of Saturn and the natural fixed nature of Scorpio.

Along with power dynamics are sexual dynamics and economic dynamics that can be part of the psychological make up of a Soul with this placement. The individual can be very preoccupied with sexual dynamics and economic issues as they relate to power dynamics between people.

On a purely positive note, others may trust the individual as he or she can be highly perceptive and show deep sensitivity to their psychology, they can trust enough to share their secrets with the Saturn in Gemini and Scorpio Mercury if he or she shows a strong sense of personal integrity and keeps hir or her lips shut in regards to sensitive information. The deep experience gained from collecting information about the environment and human nature can lead to wisdom in which the individual can share and guide others on their personal journeys, by helping them define what is practically applicable in their lives and what is essential to their personal evolution.



Physically

Saturn in the Third House or Gemini can correlate to a narrow ear canal as Gemini and the Third House correlate with the anatomy of the ear and Saturn can restrict. There can be a need to learn how to listen to people and thus hearing itself can be an effort and there can be physical defects from birth difficulting the ability to hear. The hearing can suffer damage from trauma as Saturn correlates to physical trauma. Loud sounds can be one reason for this, another can be physical damage from an accident or physical violence. Physical trauma can also be experienced on the right side of the body in general and to the hands, arms and shoulders.There is also a correlation with the nervous system in general along with Uranus therefore many types of disorders can be experienced with this signature, including weakened or damaged nerves, problems ranging from various nervous ticks to increased sensitivity to pain, various problems with the autonomic nervous system. Nervous problems of varios kinds can lead to anxiety and restrict breathing. There can also be memory problems as Gemini and the Third House correlate with short term memory.

Gemini and the Third House are connected to the throat chakra on an energetic level and this chakra correlates with our ability to communicate with others and speak our truth and Saturn to the outer layer of the Root chakra which can indicate the fear of rejection from society contributes to blocks in this energy center. Saturn in Gemini can indicate a throat chakra with energetic blocks stemming from past lives of feeling the weight of social judgement relative to Third House issues and dynamics of communication, intelligence the use of information etc. Death could of occured thru asfixiation, thru drowning, being strangled, decapitation or hanging in previous lives for various reasons, such as speaking one´s truth to the wrong people at the wrong time, thus leaving an energetic imprint or block in the Throat chakra that will need to be dealt with consciously in some way in the current life in order to heal. The throat chakra can be weak due to these past life experiences. There can be tension around the neck and shoulders and lead to cervical pains and issues. In Scorpio there could of also been past lives with a strong sense of powerlessness relative to the ability to communicate which can also lead to current life throat chakra blocks.Therefore the Soul can have a natural, innate fear of expressing its views and opinions because of these past experiences and the individual can be seen as shy or reserved in their use of speech and communication. Some may have a stutter or simply have difficulty learning how to speak or read due to a self judgemental, critical attitude. Even without past life death scenarios, in the current life the Soul may have been somehow repressed or judged by those close by such as parents, siblings or school mates which could of seemed harsh, cold or critical to the child in his or her formative years. This would of helped create a sense of insecurity about the mental and communicative abilities. These harsh judgements and environments will be a reflection of the Soul´s natural fears and boundaries that had been developed in prior lives and thus set up the framework and structural reality in order to continue to develop the mind and communication skills thru discipline and effort in the current life.

Another heavy Saturnian trait can be the fear of letting others down which is also connected to social expectations and morals projected upon the individual which can condition the mental functions. In Scorpio there could of also been past lives with intense verbal violence which can be carried into the current life and also lead to Throat chakra issues. In Scorpio potentail deaths because of the way the Soul expressed itself is doubly emphasized.  Potential reasons for deaths related to the throat chakra could be because of financial dishonesty and abuse of others in various ways and their resources or vice versa.  Another reason could be intense betrayals in relationships in which there could of been infidelities and one partner killed the other upon finding out.

Heavy mental

If the consciousness is highly defined by fear of judgement and guilt in conscious and subconscious ways, the individual can have a heavy mental outlook which can be pessimistic and even gloomy or in extreme cases totally futile and chronically depressive. The heavy mental outlook can lead to all sorts of barriers to communcation with others and the continual inner mental tension can have a taxing effect on the central nervous system. There can be a need to actively strengthen the nervous system and the thought processes. The individual may be prone to be high strung and these conditions are created by the Soul itself as a means to continue its ongoing evolution thru the total structure of its reality, including its physical body. It is also in accepting responsibility for what one experiences and by manifesting constructive thought forms that the Soul can strengthen the nervous system and develop positive communication with others.

Gemini is naturally part of the mutable cross. The individual will collect information, Gemini, in order to define its reality and then how will that information be categorized and put to actual good use through Virgo? The opposition to Sagittarius shows the need to have a deeper understanding other than just following someone´s opinion and that we need to integrate intuition and the right brain holistic understanding into the left brain logical processes in a balanced way. It also indicates the need to have beliefs of our own and honestly adhere to them and follow a body of knowledge or two or three deeply, instead of simply jumping from one subject to another in a superficial way, in an attempt to gather as much info as possible. The square to Pisces shows the need to implement that which is beyond the tangible into one´s total understanding of life.

There can be a fear of not knowing, of being ignorant and of being caught off guard in a situation in which one would need to communicate and would be unable to do so for various reasons such as not speaking the language or speaking to others who do not want to listen or undertsand or conversely when we cannot understand others. Need for personal boundaries with regards to others can create trauma as others can create a wall or be mean or cold to the individual in order for the lessons to be enforced. This will cause the Soul to turn in on itself and reflect on the reasons for those experiences which if sustained can lead to understanding and wisdom.


Opinions can be something that the individual takes seriously. With a Scorpio Mercury the thoughts of the Soul will be highly focused and will attempt to penetrate to the core of whatever it is trying to understand. In communicating with other there will be a tendency to always go straight to the point and uncover any subconscious motivations the others may be having. The Scorpio Mercury will be asking the question "what does he or she want?" when others approach the individual and will usually be on the defensive and suspicious of strangers and their motives. The other question constantly on the mind is the famous Scorpio WHY? Saturn in the Third and Scorpio Mercury are not usually happy go lucky signatures although it doesn´t mean they are always depressive either. Just a serious thinker that likes to go as deep as possible in understanding the environment, human nature and life in general. Sometimes the individual can seem introverted or shy and may very well be but rembering Saturn is a Yin archetype, the individual will be quite reflective in his or her thinking and will like to think things thru with detail and precision in order to know what he or she is getting into beforehand.  There can also be an ongoing nagging sense of personal effort needed when communicating with others who are seen as superficial or senseless. The attachment to opinions formed can also be too rigid and the thought processes themselves can get crystalized/old over time if the Soul doesn´t implement new ways of using the mind and opens up to new ideas, opinions and information. There can be a tendency with Saturn in the Third House to want to define cook book rules for life and apply them to everything as that is a way to feel secure within a defined reality that one can count on. There can be a need to plan in advance when working on projects, travelling or simply doing basic tasks and going places, as the individual will like to define what to do and also know what to count on.

Conditioning

The evolutionary level will be important in determining the type of mental conditioning the Soul/Individual experiences with a Third House Saturn and what type of response there is to the social environment.

In the consensus the individual will basically be conditioned by the opinions of those in authority and will be attempting to learn about life and develop the mind in order to progress within the social shpere in ways that can bring a sense of recognition for the use of his or her intelligence. The mind and intelligence may also be used in order to gain money and therefore status within society. The consciousness will be very curious about how the system it lives in operates and will communicate with others in order to learn more or teach others about various topics relative to how the world systems operate. The individual may desire to be "have culture" as some may say in order to be able to communicate with others about virtually anything and therefore feel a sense of status and security for "being in the know".

In the individuated stage the Individual will want to use his or her mind in ways that reflect his or her individuality and uniqueness. The consciousness may be structured in a way that does its very best to not be influenced or conditioned by any opinions and information others may share, in order to keep on defining his or her thoughts for him or herself. There can be a tendency to look for information, communicate with others and educate oneself in ways that can help promote individual personal expression. In the individuated stage the individual may desire to know a lot about the system too as he or she may criticize it and or wish to improve upon it or feel burdened by how it operates and thus rebel against it using communication. In this stage the Soul is learning the proper use of the mind in his or her own terms and personal way and this vibration can lead to a sense of isolation from others who do not resonate with the individual´s opinions and beliefs.

In the spiritual stage of evolution the individual will be progressively interested in acquiring and structuring knowledge about ultimate reality and how the environment is a refleciton of the psyche. The consciousness will be very curious and desire to empirically understand the spiritual laws that govern existence and how it´s all connected plus the individual cosmic role within it in ways that can be communicated to others. If the individual is a natural teacher he or she will try and find ways to express universal knowledge to others in ways that can have tangible value and impact on their lives for the better.

Where Saturn is located can indicate that "Time" has to be spent on that which is indicated by the archetypal nature of the house and sign it´s located in plus aspects to other planets. This reflects a need for some form of work or effort in order to accomplish whatever is inecessary in order to lay down a foundation for growth and achievement in the physical world.

I have Saturn in the Third House and when I think about what reality is for me, I always come to the conclusion that it is multi layered, relative and can change and evolve as does my perception of it. That makes total sense since the Third House is a mutable house in which the options need to remain open, there´s simply so much out there or in here and "reality" itself is relative to each one of us and our perspectives. Perspective is Pluto and with Saturn in the third House there can be a tendency towards crystalized knowledge in the form of personal opinions that can distort the perception due to the natural inconjunct between Gemini and Scorpio. This means that until the individual takes full responsibility for his or her thinking and puts it to good use, with truth and integrity, aligned with reality, that the perception will itself be distorted.

Duplicity

"You can fool some people sometimes but you can´t fool all the people all the time" Bob Marley.

We all know how Gemini as an archetype can be extremely dishonest and with Saturn, the master of control and authority which will do anything to maintain the upper hand, located in Gemini or the Third House, the individual can simply go thru life telling others whatever they want to hear. Remembering Saturn is connected to our outer appearances and social status, with this placement one may simply tell others whatever benefits the individual him or herself, like a politician tells people anything in order to polish his or her social image. Saturn here can indicate the tendency to suppress and deny information or facts from others or from the self in order to not feel guilt, shame or not to be judged in a negative light.

With this placement of Saturn we can expect to be tested and can´t trick people without expecting it to come back to us some day and face the responsibility of whatever we were trying to get around. Remembering that Gemini is naturallly inconjunct Capricorn, Saturn in the Third House carries the crisis signature in an emphasized way due to being naturally inconjunct the Tenth house too. It can mean many things as would be expected with the Gemini archetype. It can correlate with a Soul which in this lifetime has the karmic and evolutionary need to learn the responsible use of the mind and communication and at the same time feels burdened by the limitations of the mind itself and how people communicate in this day and age. The crisis is amongst other things, related to one´s opinions and the use of our minds in which firstly, no one cares about what our opinions are unless they are socially relevant in some way and secondly, the constant need to commit and stick to things in a serious way, which is naturally antagonistic with the Gemini archetype. Gemini is naturally light and expansive yet Saturn is dark and gloomy most of the time and there is the need to adapt and channel the nervous restlesness of the mind in order build efficiently, instead of continually jumping from one thing to another in a random and superficial way. The difficulty with this placement is to stick with something until it becomes second nature as Gemini and the Third House are naturally superficial and prefer to learn a bit about a lot of subjects instead of going deeply into any one subject as it represents a loss of personal freedom due to the commitment required. Gemini is naturally at the apex of a Yod from Scorpio and Capricorn and here we can see the natural crisis between these archetypes as Capricorn wants to build and in order for that manifest, there is a need to respect social rules, laws and traditions and to act with integrity, not just randomness. Scorpio asks for commitment and depth in order to be able to trust. Both ask for results and proof. These qualities create a crisis and force Gemini to humble itself in order to have any relevance within society and be taken seriously by others.

Gemini can be extremely dishonest in communicating with others. Gemini is known to be the trickster who will tell you whatever you want to hear and with Saturn in the Third House there can be an example in the environment of someone who communicates in such a way that the individual will imitate as an adult. With Saturn the tendency is to keep quiet or to want to dominate the conversation and flow of information in some way and there can be a total lack of honesty if the individual finds that the ends justify the means as can many times be the case with Saturn. Add Scorpio in Mercury and the potential for deep distrust of others due to past life and current life betrayals that can be a reason for the individual to be on the defensive in his or her dealings with others that then can lead to dishonesty and manipulation of others out of a fear of being manipulated.

Gemini can be dishonest because as an archetype it is inherently neutral and the whole mutable cross deals with issues of information and truth. Gemini collects information indiscriminately and knows the relativity of truth therefore this leads to the famous my truth vs your truth as seen by Sagittarius which correlates with personal philosophies and beliefs. Virgo is the need we all have in order to discriminate what is relevant and true or not and Pisces correlates with ultimate truth beyond whatever Gemini thinks based on Sagittarius´s beliefs and Virgo´s analysis because it is the combination of all of them that makes up actual ultimate truth and reality. Saturn in Gemini inherently knows the relativity of truth and therefore can simply choose to omit certain facts or pieces of information in order to come out on top of a discussion and Saturn really likes to be the winner. This placement can also indicate a tendency o distort facts or information relevant to a discussion in order to control the way it goes so it can benefit the individual and his or her objectives. Honesty in communication is simply saying what our experience of a phenomenon is, as it is for us in it´s totality and on the positive side of this placement the Soul can be truly honest with itself and others when it stops being judgemental of itself in a negative way.


Patriarchy

Saturn in the Third will want to have a very strong and stable understanding of reality and will continually work at it in order to progress in the logical understanding of reality. At the same time the individual may feel that it can be a burden, time consuming and hard work to keep on evolving. The Soul can also feel the weight of the patriarchy within the environment in a way that has a negative effect on his or her thinking. Depending on the individual, it can be difficult to live in a city as the environment can be so negative and with this signature the individual may perceive other people to be generally negative. The Scorpio Mercury will make the individual unwavering in his or her decisions because they will be carefully thought of. Everything is planned if possible with a Third House Saturn and with Mercury in Scorpio the ideas will be fixed to the point of being unflexible. This can lead to cutting others off, thinking one is always right or not caring for the opinions of others unless it has a direct connection to what the individual is searching for. Mercury in Scorpio can also be always searching for the bottom line relative to anything and everything.

Guilt can be experienced for abusing resources of others or not managing shared resources in the best way and then not owning up to the responsibility and being dishonest with others in order to avoid the consequences or to avoid facing hard facts. Saturn suppresses and in the Third House it can be indicative of suppression of information in order to control others such as the mainstream media do with their brainwashing propaganda. With Mercury in Scorpio in the individuated and spiritual stages, the individual will progressively understand the nature of the way people communicate and how brainwashed the majority of people are. The individual will progressively be aware that there is much more communication going on than the words coming out of people´s mouths. The individual will look at what people do and not what they say in order to be able to make judgements about others based on factual information he or she gathers and not simply believe blindly in others.
It can also indicate the individual was him or herself suppressed as a child by authority figures in the environment such as older brothers and sisters, teachers, parents, the various government officials and so on. 

Brainwashed

Humans are the only beings on the planet that give their offspring to others, to strangers in most cases, to be "educated". We don´t see animals giving their offspring to other animals to be educated like we give our innocent "sheep" children to the "wolves" to be educated. The level of brainwashing is astrounding on the planet in this day and age as people are conditioned by fear and lies since before they are even born because they are born to parents that themselves are brainwashed. With this placement some people will be excrutiatingly aware of how the human race has been hoodwinked by other humans with the perverted need to control others for their own benefit. It is mostly thru the Mercury/Jupiter functions that people in the patriarchal age have controlled humans for thousands of years either thru brainwashing in various forms such as thru religion, propaganda and education or thru sheer force and trauma. Strangely, people will believe (Jupiter) anything without any real proof or certainty and will disseminate false information that spreads like wildfire (Gemini).


Languages can be something the individual has a hard time learning and adapting to new or foreign languages can be a difficult task. The inherent limitations in the ways people communicate thru the native language can be perceived as something that is incomplete and inedaquate at getting the real message accross to others. There can be a sense of frustration due to feeling that it is futile to attempt to transmit to others exactly what one means due to verbal language being only a small part of how we actually communicate and the fact that we live in societies that rely so much on verbal communications. With effort thou the individual may learn to speak precisely and learn various languages which can be also applied professionally in some cases.  In some cases reality itself can be seen as pure language and communication.

Ignorance is bliss

Depending on evolutionary level and how in tune with his or her nature the individual is, the oppressive weight of the patriarchy can also be sensed and experienced on a day to day basis because of the huge amount of ignorance in the world at large. The sheer amount of dishonesty, governmental propaganda and ignorance can cause the individual to feel cut off from the majority of people as they can be considered dense, dishonest or ignorant. The majority of people being in the consensus stage of evolution simply do not question the media propaganda or the schooling system that forms children into adult robots that serve a system vested in keeping people dumb and in a state of vulnerability due to fear and thus are also highly suggestible. The consciuousness of the individual can be fear based due to the authorities being oppressive and judgemental in order to control the population and the individual may have a hard time integrating because of the distorted way of seeing the world that the majority of people share. The fact of the matter is that with knowledge comes responsibility and it´s not easy to be totally responsible for what we think, it´s easier to ask the doctor, the teacher, the judge or the news channel to do the thinking for us because, for the vast majority of people on Earth today, ignorance is bliss.

Education and schooling can be experienced as something that is totally out of reach, lacking in some way, obsolete or a burden with long hours, a lot of expectations from parents and/or teachers, inherent difficulties in learning certain subjects, feeling cut off from classmates due to shyness or a lack of communicative skills.

On the move

Mobility is another dynamic that is connected to Gemini and the Third House is known to be connected to short trips. Saturn in the Third House can sometimes correlate with a restriced ability to be mobile or can be accident prone due to the need to learn about healthy boundaries in relation to physical movements or the way one walks or drives a vehicle. With Saturn in the Third House daily trips such as those to school and work can be considered lengthy, boring or time consuming. The way one interacts with the environment can be quite negative and tiring as the personal mentality can be negative in dealing with whatever reality presents itself. In a patriarchal system the individual may feel the pollution of a city, the constant stress and cold way of interrelating between people due to their constant need to be on "Time" to be depressing.

Free your mind

"Free your mind and the rest will follow" is full of truth and wisdom. The mind is a powerful thing that can be a tool to help make intelligent choices and interact with the environment or it can be like a monkey wrecking havoc. With Saturn in the Third or Gemini the Soul may have to learn to go beyond the mind by being free of fear based thought forms which limit the ability for the Soul to experience deeper layers of itself. For people that meditate it´s common to try and go deep within yet the mind is constantly at work and doesn´t allow for enough relaxation in order to do so. There can be a fear of the unkown and the mind can play all sorts of tricks on the individual in order to stay in a secure place that is stable and structured. The trick is to let go in order to experience the unknown. In order for Saturn in Gemini to really grow mentally and in it´s interaction with the environment, freedom of the mind from it´s own limitations and conditioning is important. The implementation of it´s polarity, Sagittarius is essential thru the understanding and alignment with natural law. This means working with nature and learning from it instead of trying to dominate and control it.

All the best

Hi Gypsie, Skywalker, and Kristin

Here are my comments and observations for all of you.

Kristin,

This is one of the very best of your work on this mb. You have captured and expressed all the core archetypes of Saturn in Gemini in combination with it's ruler Mercury being in Libra. Your work is as detailed, comprehensive, and accurate as it possibly could be. The various examples you have used, including those of your daughter and son, to expand upon this or that point adds to the understanding for all those who come here to learn and read.

You also accurately presented how these archetypes manifest in the different EA evolutionary states.

This is simply exceptional EA work. This is how EA is meant to be understood and practiced.

Bravo !!

God Bless, Rad

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Hi Gypsie,

Your EA work here, once again, is simply exceptional, the very best of what EA is, and is meant to be. You have accurately explained all the core archetypes of Saturn in Gemini from an EA point of view in general, and how they manifest through the natural EA evolutionary states.

In combination with Mercury, the natural ruler of Gemini, being in Sagittarius the story you presented of Sonia is simply a story that so perfectly reflects the interaction of all the core archetypes of Sagittarius with the archetypes of Gemini all DEFINED by Saturn's structure of consciousness in GeHi Gypsie,

Your EA work here, once again, is simply exceptional, the very best of what EA is, and is meant to be. You have accurately explained all the core archetypes of Saturn in Gemini from an EA point of view in general, and how they manifest through the natural EA evolutionary states.

In combination with Mercury, the natural ruler of Gemini, being in Sagittarius the story you presented of Sonia is simply a story that so perfectly reflects the interaction of all the core archetypes of Sagittarius with the archetypes of Gemini all DEFINED by Saturn's structure of consciousness in Gemini. This is story is simply wonderful in that is it used to teach and rightly illustrate all of these archetypes: the TOWER, indeed !

This is simply exceptional EA work.

Bravo !!

God Bless, Rad

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Skywalker,

Great intro with the explanation of the S/N Nodes of Saturn for all of us. The correlations you made to the nervous and chakra systems were just outstanding, as well as all the correct correlations you made to the left brain, how it organizes information, and thus how it communicates. The manifestations in the various EA states, thought succinct, was very accurate.

The correlations and link with Mercury in Scorpio to Saturn in Gemini was simply exceptional as well. You captured all the essential archetypes of these in combination.

All the additional correlations such as the link to duplicity were simply as through as they were comprehensive.

This is simply exceptional work, and how EA is meant to be done and practiced.

Bravo !!

God Bless, Rad

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To all three of you,

You  work is simply EXCEPTIONAL AND OUTSTANDING EA WORK. This is how EA is meant to be done and practiced. In combination your work reflects every corner, every archetype, of Saturn in Gemini that you  then made specific to it's planetary ruler, Mercury, being in the signs that you chose.

This is the very type of EA work that would not only make JWG smile bigger than big, but is exactly how it is meant to be transmitted and taught to others. All who come here to read this thread, as a result, will benefit immensely from what you have all done here.

My hat is off to you all. High fives all around.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin, Skywalker, Gypsie, and Linda

What I would propose now if for all of you to take a little break .. maybe a week or so .. to catch your breaths. Then we can resume with Saturn in Cancer, and putting the Moon in whatever signs you choose.

God Bless, Rad

Hi,

I just want to say I enjoyed reading all of your assignments, including the previous ones, and you are all doing such a great job! Thanks for all you do!

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Hi Rad,
Thanks for your welcome comments and feedback. A little break would be good!
Until we resume,
Gypsie

Hi Gypsie, Kristin, Linda, and Skywalker

Ok, let's resume with now discussing Saturn in Cancer with it's ruler the Moon being places in whatever signs that you choose.

All of you have been doing just incredible EA work.

Let's make our due date April 13th which is a Monday.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad & Group,

Looking forward to continuing on...

I would like to work up a post with Saturn in Cancer, Moon in Aquarius.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad and group,


I will be continuing on too.

I shall work on Saturn in Cancer ruled by Moon in Scorpio.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Rad and Group,

Sorry but I won´t be able to do this assignment as I´m currently moving house and there is a lot of work involved so I don´t have much time/energy to dedicate at the moment.

I look forward to reading what you will all write for Saturn in Cancer.


All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Hope all goes well in the move. Do you plan on continuing in our Saturn thread afterwords ?

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Thanks, the move/change is going to be good! I am thinking of re-joining the thread for Saturn in Libra as we have already done Saturn in Leo and I also already wrote about Saturn in Virgo square Neptune in Sagittarius.

Hope that is ok.

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Whatever you want to do is of course just fine.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,


I have been sick for the past week
and have not been able to do this
assignment.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda,

Well, we can just move the due date back then if you want. Let me know.

God Bless, Rad

As we learned with Saturn in Gemini, there is a limit to what the mind can access, and the only vehicle for the evolution of the Soul is the emotional body. With that said, Cancer follows, symbolizing the evolutionary need to 'go there', to go beyond the limits and boundaries put in place to protect the most vulnerable center. Souls with this signature are learning to find a way to feel safe enough to feel all the way through a feeling, to ultimately find strength in this space, leading to security within themselves. Saturn in Cancer/ 4th house is a cardinal archetype and thus represents a chapter is closing and a new evolutionary chapter is birthing itself. Because of the new, these Souls will be highly emotionally vulnerable and inwardly wobbly in the world, in essence they are learning how to walk emotionally, similar to a baby taking its first steps, so their growth will become a two steps forward, one step back process.

For these Souls, Everything is felt first. Emotions speak volumes for the Saturn in Cancer Soul. Because everything is felt with greater sensitivity, there is a great fear of vulnerability and they will do everything they can to protect themselves from potential emotional hits. In most cases, they will attempt to build a fortress around their feeling being, similar to a crab returning to its home in the hard shell. They will tend to suppress and repress the tender feeling content as they have not developed the security and strength to support this kind of exposure to the world. The suppression over time has consequences, for 'whatever is repressed, becomes distorted'. Imagine submerging a plastic beach ball under water in a swimming pool, the beach ball symbolizing a ball of emotion. The deeper one attempts to stuff the ball down within the already watery content, and the longer one attempts to control the ball of emotion, the harder it is to hold onto. At some point, and seemingly out of nowhere, that ball will dart out unexpectedly and hit someone in the head, creating conflict where it otherwise could have been prevented.

I am reminded further of a quote from JWG that I heard more than once, words that brought me to my knees a time or two, a message that has proven to inspire at critical turns.  He said, "Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to repress what is natural?" This truth bellowed in my inner halls as I accessed the weight that was strapped to my back. It's like trying to swim with your clothes on. It can create a tremendous drag, and it requires far more energy and breath simply to keep your head above water. What is more natural than the pure emotion that surfaces for any Soul? For that emotion to have a chance of promoting a healthy evolutionary flow, it cannot be contained, it needs a release point. What these Souls are learning or perhaps remembering is that water is the great giver of life. It is far easier to go with the flow than to fight the tides. When we attempt to fight the current, we lose, or we exhaust every feeling resource in attempt to fight or deny what lives within us. For example, once a body surfer is IN the wave, and one with it, is impossible to fight it, the surfer must ride the wave to completion until they are ready to return to the sea and catch another.

It can be a lonely road for Souls with this signature as they have designed an intentional structure for themselves that is destined to continually throw them back upon themselves. It may have been that in other lives there was an excessive co-dependency, seen with the square to Libra, similar to a child that never grows up, a Soul who is always depending on others for their emotional well being. In many cases, this signature can reflect an adult that is trapped at the age of youth because of traumas that occurred, creating a freeze in their emotional development. Very early on, the Soul will be learning lessons in emotional self reliance, lessons in learning how to self provide in every way, not looking to anything outside of themselves for validation and feedback, not looking to anything outside themselves to complete them. This occurs as a result of a lack of nurturing by one or both parents and will continue on in their life in the form of various relationships as they continue to learn emotional lessons along these lines.  At any point, if there is an expectation set in seeking love from another, the famous rug will ripped beneath their feet. Anytime they lean too hard or become emotionally needy in any way, they will find the mirage of support crumbles. The bottom line, is that we all attract where we are at. So if these Souls are vibrating with an energy of emotional lack, then they will attract someone who is also incapable of offering them this need in return. It can be one of the most difficult signatures to inwardly endure, the feeling of being surrounded by others, yet feeling unseen and totally alone. An ongoing emotional gravity will undoubtedly and yet necessarily ensue,  an inner realism that never feels to lift or to allow these Souls to escape the confines of their inner life, as much as they would like to. It will feel as if an anchor has held them at bay in the watery harbor and they are being forced to swim and steep in shifting emotional seas. As soon as the Soul learns how to supply their own emotional needs and to tend to their own inner aches, they will strengthen from the inside out versus trying to make it happen the other way around, an approach that will only forever leave them feeling empty.

Culture/Family

Because these Souls are learning to develop emotional security within, while minimizing their dependence on external influences, they will be born into families where one or both parents produces a variety of emotional shocks, where the child is repeatedly thrown back upon itself and required to provide their own emotional needs. This can be extremely challenging for a child who is naturally vulnerable and so intimately impacted by their early upbringing to not have parents who are aware of what they need, nor are are they are even capable of providing, in some cases, even the most basic nurturing needed. The parents can be cold and rigid and perhaps only making a choice to have kids because that is what everyone else is doing, not because they have any real desire for the children they brought into the world. The parents in this case, can project the feeling of being burdened by the child, which increases the child's feeling of being unwanted and unloved. In essence, these Soul are learning to parent themselves, to establish their own inner authority, and to find ways to nurture and feed their own inner landscapes.

Considering Saturn conditions all of the planets, including Pluto, it would not be uncommon for these Soul to have a difficult Soul history with one or both parents, whereby there are unresolved karmic issues that are in the process of being worked out and through. As a result, this can lead to compulsive emotional behavior patterns that are carried forward into this life, and it would take very little to trigger a deeply painful emotional response. It may at the onset  'appear' minor but these Souls have been collecting emotions that have been building over time, emotions linked with a lack of nurturing and understanding. What intensifies these emotions, is their unconscious expectations of how they feel they need to be nurtured and cared for, yet it is important to consider that the parents interpretation of their nurturing may be very different than what the child expects and therefore projects.

By the time the Soul hits this life, their feeling of insecurity can be so great, it can feel like a bottomless pit in terms of how much nurturing is needed, in order to feel secure. One or both parents may not even be able to come close to delivering the nurturing that this Soul needs, and the reasons may be legitimate, as in both parents requiring to work full time to cover the expenses of the family. The parents in some cases may desire to be home more for the child, yet circumstances connected with monetary survival prevent this from happening. This will force the child to grow up fast, or become responsible quite young. Other cases where the child is forced to grow up fast may be a result of being an only child. It intensifies further, if the only child only has one parent present.  I have a client with Saturn in the 4th who is an only child and who lost his father quite young. Following his father's death, his mother would dress him up in a suit and take him out to dinner, as he became the defacto partner and the sit in husband at the age of seven. This did not allow him to naturally mature, to work through the emotions that surfaced at different growing ages, as he was never allowed to be a kid. His emotional process was stunted and as an adult, he became the classic 'little boy in a man's body'. He did not have the first clue how to emotionally relate to his partners, because so many steps were skipped in his emotional development. He would create ongoing traumas that demanded he look at himself, forcing him to open doors his mother had forced him to keep closes. He was learning to take responsibility for all the relationships that he set in motion.

Another scenario with this Saturn in Cancer/4th house signature may be a Soul who attracts one or both parents who are very strict, parents who totally control and dominate their time and their life. The parents may be choosing activities that they want for the child versus what the child wants for themselves. They may do everything in their power to not allow the child to grow up, and the child will feel limited and in some cases smothered by the parent. The parents(s) in this case may be emotional children themselves and may seek out the comfort of their child, as if this child would know the first thing to do, emotional dilemmas that the child does not have capacity to handle. This could be a life where the Soul in question with Saturn in Cancer in the 4th was a parent to their own parent in another time, and the roles in the current life were reversed, in some case serving as an undesirable karmic kick back.

In addition to attracting partners that may mirror the parents, they may also attract others like themselves that are an emotional infantile and not able to remotely relate or give them what they need emotionally, this becomes their reality once again, in order to continue to re-enforce the lesson of emotional self reliance. "Emotional tantrums and periods of withdrawal, crying 'wolf' or feigning desperation" may also be used to try and manipulate others in order to get what they need. Extreme fluctuations of their moods can occur as quickly as the moon changes signs, hence the term 'moody' connected to the archetype of Cancer', and they can revert to the little child, wondering what they did to find themselves in this reality.

Because these Soul have been doing what they can to protect themselves, they have in turn repressed an enormous weight of emotion, causing emotional suffocation and intense frustration because they are not allowing their feelings to flow, they are not expressing their emotions and expectations. Many will even deny they have the emotions to begin with, for if they are not there, then I do not have to feel them or deal with them. Yet because these Souls are pure emotion as every planet is infused with the moon, they are intrinsically sensitive and vulnerable and have a legitimate need to be touched, which can lead to emotional suffocation.

Commonly, these Soul who have been holding in and holding back, may attract others who they can control, attracting weak and vulnerable others who are suffering from the very same unmet emotional needs. They may attract these types in order to feel strong and secure, which is not feeding or strengthening them at all. They would forever be working on the other person's weakest spot in order to secure their position in the relationship and guarantee a position of dominance, so the other Soul never attempts to make a getaway. Obviously in this case, emotional denial does not equal security, and the furthest thing from emotional fulfillment. In the end, the emotional reactions of the Saturn in Cancer/4th, can cyclically swing between two extremes. They can alternate between seeking out places and people whom they unconsciously expect to fulfill their emotional needs in a childlike way, or they can seek environments and others who they can control and dominate in order to have their unresolved emotional issues fulfilled in that way, so that others come to depend on them.

Saturn in Cancer, Moon in Aquarius

Further scenarios that would trigger feeling unloved or a total lack of nurturing would be in situations where the Soul was adopted, or essentially transferred and disposed of to an alternative family, adoption connects to Aquarius, generating the feeling of being unwanted, unlovable, due to being given away by their very own parents. The Moon in Aquarius could also ring true for a Soul who felt like a fish out of water or a total alien in the context of the family they were born into, a true rebellion from their family of origin may take place. It takes an extreme to counteract an extreme, or an extreme in order to objectify one's individual makeup, to claim it as their own, and in discovering they are simply 'not cut from the same cloth'.

As a result of the sustained lack of nurturing, in many cases, these Soul will undoubtedly experience emotional displacement, whereby they form relationships with others who they unconsciously expect to tend to their unmet needs. In essence, these needs are emotional needs of a child. As a result, others may treat them like children, for that is the energy they they are emitting. All of the emotional pain of the past becomes projected onto others in varying degrees and the closer one gets to the Saturn in Cancer/4th house, the more intense the projections can be.

In intimate partnerships, especially earlier in life, the Saturn in Cancer Soul will unconsciously attract partners who mirror one or both of their parents. Because the psychological make-up is the same, the displaced need goes unfulfilled. This will become a broken record reality until they emotionally mature, minimizing or eliminating all together, all external dependencies. Not until they essentially come to understand WHY they continue to find themselves in these situations will the story change. With the ruler, the Moon in Aquarius, the energy would lend itself to a more objective emotional make-up so they can observe their ways in the world, with the intention to come to understand where and how they can change, making the necessary adjustments, to come to know how to feed the inner void. It will take learning to cultivate a strong inner base, looking to no one to COMPLETE them, before their own inner vibratory nature shifts and they can begin attracting others who reflect their true co-equal. They will learn over time, that they must learn to become their own best friend, Moon in Aquarius, to offer inner advice and support to themselves, as they would when observing a friend suffering from a similar repeating trend.

Gender

To evolve, we all must switch gender, in order to actualize both sides of gender. The 4th House, Cancer, and the Moon, all correlate to the Jungian psychological dynamic called the anima/animus. This dynamic is linked with the fact that we are all intrinsically male and female. In order to evolve, we must all experience the polarity of being both male as well as female. Because the psychological and experiential orientation to life will be different for a male and a female, it can take some lifetimes to fully integrate one side of gender, the ultimate goal being to unite both sides of gender equally, to the point where the Soul appears male and female at the very same time, a Soul who has fully actualized and integrated the whole. Advanced Souls in the Spiritual State share this quality.

One critical factor that may be a result of the emotional swings seen with this signature, may be due to the Soul switching genders in recent lives or in the most recent life, or they may be preparing to do so. The reality of landing in a new gender in society will greatly impact the emotional reality of this Soul, in terms of the expectations of the parents and society with respect to their roles here. To be experiencing for the very first time, a life in a new gender, can create a high degree of vulnerability, as if they were dropped into a foreign land, not knowing a Soul, and not speaking the same language. Gender switch can be seen in combination with others symbols, such as Pluto in the 4th or 10th, the nodes in either the 4th or 10th house or the nodes being in Cancer or Capricorn.

This may also prove to be problematic when considering partnerships, if for example the Soul just came out of a male form and was attracted to women in past lives, yet is now in a female form, the natural tendency and desire for this Soul would be to attract women again. While there is nothing unnatural about being attracted to one;s same gender, it will requite more courage in the world, as it will require additional inner strength to combat the biases and judgments from society toward the gay and lesbian culture and the ongoing need for these Souls to fight for their equal rights. Saturn in Cancer, Moon in Aquarius, being that Aquarius is about taking a unique or alternative path, going against the grain, not the mainstream way, would very much apply here.

Guilt

This Soul may have chosen to be born with Saturn in Cancer or Saturn in the 4th due to a feeling of guilt where they nay have dropped the ball in another time with their own children and family, thereby not taking responsibility for their parenting role, perhaps being too harsh, controlling or strict. They may be feeling the karmic hit in return, so they know firsthand, the feeling of not being seen, nurtured or held. It may be too that there were countless conditions linked with how they gave and what was granted and gifted. The classic, "I will love you if." They may have been extremely tough on their own children and now they are receiving those hits in return. Ultimately these Souls will be feeling guilt for not being enough, guilt for being unlovable, feeling in many cases as if they deserve to be unloved, and yet asking in the same breath, "What did I do to deserve this?" Depending on the state of evolution, some Souls will feel as if they have done something to deserve the emotional nurturing wasteland. They will know deep in their bones, that it came back to haunt them for good reason. But this won't be true in all cases, many with this signature will simply be needing to learn how to make it on their own, in every way. There may not be some karmic retribution happening, simply the need to have the courage to access real emotion, to inwardly mature and in essence, to grow up.


Saturn in Cancer/4th Full Phase Opp to the 10th house

The Saturn in Cancer Soul  matures and evolves through self determination and in learning to accept one's own responsibility in his own actions, leading to emotional maturity. The child here is becoming the adult. The Soul is learning how to integrate their own sense of personal authority and individuality in the context of society. The way these Souls feel validated and establish their own sense of self, is by projecting themselves out into the world, gaining status by climbing society's mountain. They learn these lessons by earning the status of being recognized by others in the working world as being 'somebody.' They become filled up by feeding their own selves and by earning their way there, one step at a time. They learn that everyone has a story, everyone suffers and everyone has needs, not just them. Individual meaning must now be given a social context. It must be related to and shared with others, an evolutionary purpose in a way that is needed by others. They must evolve to the point where they are learning to listen to the needs of others, to understand that they are equals. When their own inner reality has matured, they can be tremendously compassionate regarding the suffering of others, for 'they have been there', they are there, they know the feeling, which can make them very relate-able once they have matured.. They are empaths, deeply sympathetic and incredibly loyal to those close to them.

However, they may also feel via this opposition that they are losing control of their destiny and the power to shape that destiny, from an egocentric point of view. They are learning to develop a more socialized and expanded awareness of consciousness, to be pulled out of their 'own world'. If they resist, they will only return to the past, and negative controlling behaviors will ensue. They must surrender to a socialized context, considering the needs of all people equally and to give their work a social purpose. They are ultimately learning to surrender personal will for the sake of  higher will, expanding their understanding of the bigger picture seen int the trine to Pisces, 12th house.

CAREER

Consensus

With a focus on the home, women, the womb and the belly, many Souls with Saturn in Cancer, 4th house will be attracted careers in these areas, including real estate, interior design, running or owning a Bed & Breakfast, Marketing and PR for womens beauty lines including make-up and skin products. It could very well equal a woman working in a man's corporate world. There may be an interest in hotel management or apartment complex management, as well a Restaurateur, or a career working in the grocery business. One might also be interested in becoming a nurse, especially in woman's health. Looking specifically at the Moon in Aquarius, the Soul could be drawn to work in social services,  director of a woman's shelter, home placement for foster children or an adoption agency. A doctor specializing in woman's health or a specialist offering in-vitro fertilization or an OB/GYN may also apply here.

Individuated State

As the Soul evolves, they may be drawn to more alternative forms of healing and areas of nursing such as midwifery. The specific healing draw is seen with the trine to Pisces as the focus is on helping others 'feel' better. When we feel better physically, we tend to feel better emotionally. The same is true the other way around. Souls in this state may be drawn to doing energy work, especially with the Moon in Aquarius, such as Reiki, or interested in being an astrologer. Souls in this stage may desire to work in alternative fields of food. A client of mine with Saturn in the 4th , Sun in Aquarius in the 3rd , opened a vegetarian and vegan cafe, juice and smoothie bar in New Jersey, in an area where people were more drawn to smoke and drink in the local bar at lunch or after work. She has brought an alternative concept for filling the belly with fresh organic blended fruits and vegetables, along with healthy and hearty foods such as warm homemade soups, comfort foods that can better sustain the body and the Soul's of the people in this old fashioned town. The business is now booming. She is getting orders from corporations to cater soups, salads, smoothies and green drinks in for their business meetings as well as daily orders from healthy hungry clients, in place of fast food and donuts.

Spiritual State

Within the spiritual state, there is a focus on service, a Virgo vibe, and on working to clean up this world and make it a little better than they found it. An Evolutionary Astrologer would apply hear as the as well as a Vegan Chef in a Spiritual Center  as the saying goes, "You are what you eat" and  "Your body is a temple."Yoga teachers would also apply hear as the majority of yoga poses involve a heart opening posture, but in essence yoga was originally intended  for opening the body up to receive and connect with the eternal pulse of Spirit.
Sri Daya Mata, who was the Head of Spiritual Organization or Hermitage, and a 3rd stage spiritual example has SN, Pluto and Saturn in Cancer. She the was spiritual head and president of Self-Realization Fellowship/Yogonanda Satsanga Society of India from 1955 until her passing in 2010. She was brought to SRF by her mother when she was a young girl, and Yogananda took her under his wing.  Yogananda entrusted his center and his work to this disciple and although she made choices in her mind that were to protect the teachings, she took her Saturn authority too far,  becoming a controlling gatekeeper for pure intended disciples and followers of Yogananda who were only interested in disseminating Yogananda's teachings. Even at this stage she was working through her own evolutionary lessons in giving, sharing and including versus harnessing too much control at the helm.

FROZEN

The combination of Saturn in Cancer, and the ruler Moon in Aquarius can require a serious game plan in order to enter the emotional world of these souls. This lock is rooted in the tremendous trauma from the past as well as in the early life, which has caused these Soul to become emotionally frozen. Whenever any Soul has been through a traumatic experience, as in witnessing people that they love being wiped out tragically, it can cause the Soul to literally go into shock, where everything in the nervous system stops. It's like watching a car accident, it can literally take your breath away when you see the crash coming and there is literally nothing in the world that you can do to stop it. This creates a short circuiting in the nervous system, an intermittent signal, similar to staccato in music. It can create total emotional disconnect and Souls with this signature will come into this life with PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. In order to survive and carry on in some capacity, these Souls will intsinctually detach from their emotions, and observe their life as if they were watching a movie. This can also prove to be problematic when in relationships, as the partner may feel as if 'no one is home'. Even in physical intimacy, in order to avoid the emotional body, these Souls can be so far removed from the act, it can feel to the partner as if they are somewhere else, separated from the scene.
Uranus, the ruler for Aquarius, connects to long term memories, and the long term memories for us all are held in the cellular make-up. It may take repeatedly accessing these memories through contacts with key others who trigger the emotional traumas from the past, in order to heal what has become so frozen, in essence, to DE-FROST and recover, in order to fertilize their emotional wasteland.

Saturn in Cancer, Moon in Aquarius, symbolizes emotional trauma and the sudden loss of someone cherished and loved, where the Soul was abandoned and left utterly alone. Singer/song writer Mindy Smith in her song, "One Moment More", expresses the water trine beautifully within these lyrics, reflecting the palpable pain of loss. Mindy Smith was also adopted, South Node, Mars and Venus in Cancer, Moon in Aquarius, Saturn in the 4th.



There can be a fear of losing love or losing those they love, a fear so deep that it can intercept the moment, it can supersede love in those moments. The loss in other times may have generated greater tendencies toward attachment, so they grip harder and can desperately hold onto those for dear life. However, this also creates a smothering, which may cause others to flee.

Saturn in Cancer Souls are pure emotion, remembering the energy of Cancer is permeating every other planet. But with the Moon in Aquarius, this creates a separation from the emotion, an emotional distance, and they can come across as not present or that they do not really care. This occurs in order to minimize attachment to others and attachment to outcomes for fear of losing it all once more.

Yogananda teaches...

God takes loved ones from our lives, so we don't stop seeking God, so we don't get confused and think the happiness that we are experiencing comes from another. The search must continue until we come to know for ourselves that this unconditional love can only be found within. He knew this truth for himself for at a tender age of 11, he lost his beloved mother. The pain was palpable in the pages of his sharing. "Years passed before any reconciliation entered my heart. Storming the gates of heaven, my cries at last summoned the Divine Mother. Her words brought final healing to my suppurating wounds. "It is I who have watched over thee, life after life, in the tenderness of many mothers. See in my gaze the two black eyes, the lost beautiful eyes, thou seekest!" He writes in Autobiography of a Yogi, that his earthly mother had to be taken so he could learn to access the Heavenly Mother, Moon in Leo in the 12th house, trine Venus/Mercury in the 4th in Sagittarius. The ruler Jupiter in Aries in the 8th. His 4th house Mercury in Sagittarius is the ruler of his Pluto, which is the ruler of his 4th house cusp.

Clarissa Pinkola Estes, a Soul with Saturn in Cancer, and who found her home in the woods in nature,  said it so well in her book, Women Who Run With the Wolves. "Redemption heals a once open would. But there will be a scar nevertheless. With changes in the weather the scar can and will ache again. That is the nature of true grief. Although there will be scars, and plenty of them, it is important to remember that in tensile strength and ability to absorb pressure, a scar is tougher than skin."


Saturn in Cancer Retrograde

Saturn Rx is similar to pruning a tree to remove the dead wood in order to give it new life. As with all retrogrades, the intention is to de-condition and accelerate the evolutionary momentum of the Soul. Th retrograde signature mimics the archetype of Aquarius, so with the ruler Moon also in Aquarius, it would be double charged and increase the potential for rebellion, a Soul who would continually challenge any pre-existing limitations. This would also further represent a Soul who would need to recreate prior life dynamics in the context of the current life, the intent with which is to make new choices, thus evolve, in the face of the new circumstances that trigger old dynamics. Evolutionary speaking, it is to remove one conditioning layer at a time.

If Saturn is in Cancer for a Consensus Soul, being that the Consensus equals a majority, 75% ,of the population, these Souls will typically compensate by creating the 'appearance' or normalcy. Compensation can lead to sickness in the skeleton as in arthritis and back pain and it can degenerate into immune problems. Being that Saturn is in Cancer, it can also effect the the stomach and overall digestion regulation. For the individuated, 20 % of the population would get off by thumbing their noses at the system and may go well out of their way to make a statement of rebellion for they may feel as if they have nothing left to lose anyway. The Spiritual State Soul would come to realize that the only way forward is to go deeply within, and to address and deal with all of their own unresolved emotional traumas, to take responsibility for the realities they have created , understanding why they have manifested as to evolve, so they could be a vessel to help others who have suffered in similar ways.

They will be need to access and express one's own individual make-up at any and all costs, even if it leads to being a group of one. They will experience a social alone-ness and will not feel to fit in anywhere, to continue to re-enforce lessons of self reliance. Saturn Rx in Cancer can create an inner haunting, so much so, they may appear to be in a constant state of mourning. Saturn retrograde Souls can also tend to brood, dwell and meditate with morbid persistency.

Retrograde planets attempt to breakdown the barrier between the conscious and the unconscious so images can come forth. Saturn is what you are consciously aware of, this points to Uranus, the threshold of the unconscious. When Saturn Rx is retrograde, the natural threshold or barrier is not very strong. The individuated unconscious, represented by Uranus, contains three specific kinds of information: 1)that which you suppress by way of Saturn, what you don't want to deal with and refuse to deal with 2) memories in total detail of this life and past lives ( long term memory versus short term, seen with Mercury) 3) abstract information which pertains to the Soul's longer- free-er future - this is why Saturn and Uranus are antithetical to each other.

With Saturn retrograde in Cancer, especially when the ruler, the Moon, is in Aquarius, there will be an emphasis on the need to grab a hold of this content and to finally and freely express one's own unique individuality, creating a structure that supports the eclectic, the eccentric, the avante-garde, as well as plenty of room for innovation and ingenuity. There will be a need to experiment on alternative realities that no one else has discovered or erected for themselves. There will be a need here to revolutionize the crystallized structures of the Saturn realty that this Soul has previously put into place.

Ultimate Strength lies in the Vulnerability

Because there is great fear of losing emotional control, an absolute fear of accessing hard memories and of having to endure this trauma again, these Souls will do all they can to defend this emotional center. Remember however, how much energy it takes to defend and repress versus to let it flow. These Souls are learning that Ultimate Strength lies in the vulnerability. There is nothing more attractive in the world for any Soul than to simply be who they are, openly expressing their natural emotion, whatever it may be. Vulnerability is not about being weak, it is about being open, and it is about finding strength in those soft and supple places, accepting in full who they from the inside out. Some of this fear in place will be linked to what other people think or feel about them, a fear of being judged or put down in some way. Yet the very intention with this signature is the need to go deep, trine to Scorpio, and to emerge whole, exactly as the Soul was designed to be. The question to ask is, "What are you more afraid of? Who you are? Or who someone wants you to be?" It comes down to trusting in that pure pulse of emotion that naturally defines you versus emotion resulting from the conditioned expectations of others. It is about tuning into the pure emotion that flows from God, the river that leads you home, back to the safety of the sea.

By exposing the tender under belly and embracing the sensitive emotional realm, it is in this space where ultimate strength as well as ultimate meaning, trine to Pisces, can be found. By removing the Saturn casing, one layer at a time, more of the natural vibratory nature will emanate. Nothing will free this Soul up more than to walk to the beat of their own Aquarian drum, where self reliance is in place, dependence on others is removed, square to Libra, as well as looking to others for a feeling of acceptance and place in the world.

Souls with Saturn in Cancer, 4th house, are learning to access the emotional courage to cry. Tears relax the nervous system, over time, the watery element will wear down the outer casing and open the Soul up vibrationally, allowing their true essence to be revealed.

"Tears lift your boat off the rocks, off dry ground, carrying it down river to some place new, some place better."(Clariss Pinkola Estes)

A foundational EA teaching, which any Soul  can validate for themselves via their own life experience, is that the Soul can only truly evolve through the emotional body, in other words, you must take leap and a risk, square to Aries, you must jump IN and get wet in order to swim. We look to the water trinity to follow this path, similar to a river finding its way to the sea. The river always follows the path of least resistance as it makes it way back to the sea, or what we call God ~ Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces.

Saturn in Cancer/4th House Souls are not alone in their emotions, as everyone will experience the emotional gravity of this reality when transiting Saturn crosses the IC as well as when Saturn transits the 4th house. The weight of one's experience will be directly linked to how much is being repressed along with the degree of the personal lessons involving emotional security, self responsibility and self reliance. I remember years ago, a day following a dreadful dark night of the Soul, I was hollow, cored out, exhausted and had literally run out of tears. I had not eaten, nor slept and company was set to arrive, something I could not postpone for this is also about taking responsibility for other people's realities and not just your own. I pulled on some jeans and a t shirt, and did not even take the time to run a brush through my hair. A friend of mine walked through the door, the first to arrive, and her first words to me were, "I have never seen you look so beautiful." I was shocked. I did not even have enough energy to crack a smile, but it came. I had reached a place of full surrender, Cancer trine to Pisces, and the freedom of letting go allowed me to suspend somewhat in space. However, the very last thing I felt was beautiful. I found a mirror, mildy curious, but also afraid to look, and I realized in that moment, as my eyes came into view, that what my friend saw was my Soul, nothing more and nothing less, Cancer trine to Scorpio. There was absolutely nothing left to hold anything up or back. Ultimate strength was found that day, in the deepest spaces of vulnerability.

North Node of Saturn in Cancer

Everyone on the planet today has a North Node of Saturn in Cancer. The planetary Node teaching for this signature, considering all of our South Nodes of Pluto, Saturn and Jupiter are in also Capricorn, reflecting the rigid societal conditioning and patriarchal push of the past,  Saturn/Capricorn connects to the Patriarchy, and the Moon/Cancer connects to the Matriarchy, these symbols suggest that all Souls were on earth at some point during the transition between the matriarchy and the patriarchy, spanning over 2,000 years, so we all have long term memories deep in our Aquarian cells of what is was like to live in a more naturally balanced society. For Souls who are essentially 'new', they will feel these truths via osmosis from those who have been there, considering we all have Neptune (the collective unconscious) in Aquarius. A North Node of Saturn in Cancer says, we are all headed home, but in order to go forward, we must go back, in order to evolve we must return home to our mother root, the matriarchy, seen with the North Nodes of Pluto, Saturn and Jupiter in Cancer. We must go back to recover the teachings of that time, in order to better move forward. We won't necessarily be living primitive lives again (although you never know) but we will be re-accessing the natural teachings of Mother Nature, not only because our evolution depends on it, but for the species and the planet to survive, for nothing can be sustained when a planet is driven with consciousness of separation and exclusion, a patriarchal reality, the 'us' versus them reality that breeds ignorance and intolerance between people and cultures.

When we think of the matriarchy, seen with the symbol of Cancer, we remember a time when life on planet earth was in greater balance, when women were praised and celebrated for their inner power, strength and and natural capacities to lead and to heal, when men were accessing emotion in a more balanced way. Women, emotion and the feminine were not repressed, they were naturally expressed in full.

Jungian Analyst, post-trauma specialist and author, Clarissa Pinkola Estes, born to Mexican parents and adopted by immigrants from Hungary in rural Indiana, who's natal Saturn RX in Cancer in the 11th, reminds us of the truth of the power of the wild woman, how she has become silenced and snuffed out, and our need to bring her back in her book, "Women Who Run With the Wolves." Her Pluto in Leo forms an inconjunct (156 degrees) to her SN, Mercury and Mars in Capricorn in the 6th house, ruler Saturn Rx in the 11th in Cancer, reflecting her role as a messenger, working to force an adjustment, with the intention to awaken human consciousness to return to that which is natural.

"She's the river beneath the river, the heartbeat within the heart beat. She is wild woman, and just like wild life, she has become an endangered species. The wild woman memory is of our absolute undeniable and irrevocable kinship with the wild feminine. It is a relationship which may have become ghostly with neglect, buried by over-domestication, outlawed by surrounding culture, or no longer understood anymore. We have forgotten her names, we may not answer when she calls ours, but in our bones we know her, we yearn toward her, we know she belongs to us and we to her. Without her, we are without ears to hear her soul talk or to register the chiming of our own rhythms. Without her, woman's inner eyes are closed by some shadowy hand and large parts of their days are spent in a semi-paralyzing ennui, or else wishful thinking. Without her, women lose their sure fitting. Without her, they forget WHY THEY ARE HERE, they hold on when they best hold out. Without her, they take too much, or too little, or nothing at all. Without her they are silent when in fact they are on fire.

To find the Wild Woman, it is necessary for women to return to their instinctive selves. Their deepest knowing. So let's push on now and remember ourselves back to the Wild Woman Soul. Let us sing her flesh back onto our bones, shed any false coats we have been given. Don the true coat of powerful instinct and knowing. Infiltrate the psychic lands that once belonged to us. Unfurl the bandages, ready the medicine. Let us return now, wild woman howling, laughing, singing up to the ONE who loves us so."


Peace & Feeling,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

Thanks for your offering to give me more time
to complete the assignment, however I am
suffering from some kind of toxic shock or
poisoning - due to new carpet - and have been
unwell for a week.  I also have a throat infection,
headaches and dizziness.  I cannot see myself
attempting the assignment while in this state.
I am also suffering from exhaustion, and need
a break. 

Thanks for your understanding.

Linda

Hi Gypsie,

Do you have a sense of when you will be able to complete this part of our Saturn thread ?

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda,

Please rest and get well.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin,

Your EA work on this is simply the best: exceptional EA work that can truly help others who are reading and following this thread correctly learn and understand EA. Your work here is as comprehensive as it is accurate. The depth of your understanding is reflected in your work here, and your own evolution within this work is just wonderful to behold.

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.

Just excellent work Kristin.

Bravo !

God Bless, Rad

Hi Kristin,

Thank you for that! I really enjoyed reading it and will likely rread it again and again as there is so much detail I don't want to miss anything!

cat

Rad,

Thank you so much for your support and feedback. It means a great deal to know that I am evolving in this work. :)

Peace,
Kristin

Cat,

Thank you too for your note, and for your feedback. It makes it all worth it to know that there is value in the offering.

Peace,
Kristin

Kristin,

More value than you can possible ever know :-)

cat

Kristin,

The accuracy and eloquence of your assignment is amazing and a pleasure to read.

Thank you!

All the best

Thank You Skywalker for taking the time to read through the post and for your kind comments, I know you are busy with a move. Looking forward to having you back on the next go around or so.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,
I could probably complete Saturn in Cancer in about two weeks.
Gypsie

Hi Gypsie,

That would be great if you would like to do that. So if you do please do. You have a very keen ability with EA that can truly benefit others who come here to read this thread. It is certainly worth the wait for you to do this work.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
I am very sorry to say that I haven't had a chance to get to my Saturn assignment especially after you kindly gave me more time to complete.
There has been, not surprisingly, some complications with my home remodeling project, and some hard work too. It's taking most of my attention, time and energy. That being said I am enjoying the process of nurturing and loving the new form that is being created...Maybe that's a very hands-on way to be experiencing Saturn in Cancer...:).
I will go into phase number two throughout the month of May, and once again may not have the time to work on an assignment. I  apologize if I have slowed down the group and this thread. I am still interested in continuing the Saturn assignments, and also catching up at a later time with the ones that I can't do now. Please let me know if this would be acceptable to you.  
I will keep checking in once in a while.
Until then, enjoy Spring and all its amazing colors and fragrances!
Gypsie.

Hi Linda, Skywalker, and Kristin,

Please let me know if you have any interest in continuing our Saturn thread at the end of May when Gypsie can rejoin us.

God Bless, Rad

Hi All,

Yes I would prefer to continue when we can work together as a group and when Gypsie is ready. I definitely would like to continue this thread.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,


It seems that it has just not been the right time for many of us in this thread.  Like Kristin, I would prefer to wait until everyone is ready - and work together as a group.

I was watching one of the School's DVDs where JWG had mentioned on that day that his right-brain was in dominance making him more intuitive, thoughtful and subjective rather than more left-brain logical, analytical and objective:  that's how I've been feeling for the last year (with transiting Pluto conjunct my Mercury as we speak!), and it has been difficult to actually think in a logical manner and get anything down on paper.


Thanks so much,

Linda

Hi Rad and Group,

Right now my move is over, I just don´t have internet at home but have time again to apply to EA assignments.

Honestly thou, I´m not feeling the flow with this approach we are taking with Saturn thru the houses and much preferred the way we did Neptune in relation to its various archetypal dynamics. I will continue as necessary but if there is another approach we could take and others also feel the same way, I would certainly prefer to go in another direction. For example we could cover some of the topics we suggested earlier in the thread.

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Ok, thanks for that feedback. Let's hear from the others about this possible change of focus for our Saturn thread. I am wide open to whatever you all want to do.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I have a question about Saturn in Cancer in relation to the home environment/parents. Can this placement also indicate that one or both parents were too nurturing, and thus the child was never taught the skills to be emotionally mature/self-reliant?

Hi Lenore,

Yes ..........

God Bless, Rad

Thanks Rad.

Blessings.

Quote from: Rad on May 01, 2015, 09:51 AM

Let's hear from the others about this possible change of focus for our Saturn thread. I am wide open to whatever you all want to do.

Hi Rad,


I agree with Skywalker to follow the approach we used with Neptune with each member in the group choosing whatever treatment for their assignment.  Using the charts of real people had been a popular choice.  I find it difficult to write comprehensively about too many/all correlations for Saturn for the one assignment.  Separating the correlations works better for me.  The prospect of covering the entire Saturn archetype comprehensively (over potentially many months or even into next year) has made me feel that I cannot continue with them anymore unless we go back to Rad's original intention to send in "succinct" assignments.


Thanks to all,

Linda

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Kristin, Gypsie or anyone else interested in joining this thread ..

Ok, let me know what archetypes within Saturn that you would all like to develop more that would not require the extensive amount of time it has been taking by way of running Saturn through the signs.

God Bless, Rad

Hello Rad and Group,

I've read each comment posted so far on the current Saturn format/focus thread. I totally understand why some of you would like to see a different format taking place and/or a different thematic. I am not opposed to it, but I am not totally for it either. I'd like to share my take on it.

First of all, as a newbie participant on the JWG forum, I personally love doing longer assignments, especially with Saturn. After all, Saturn, the taskmaster is about long lasting efforts and patience, and the mastery of some skill. Yes it is demanding, and each time I put quite some time in it between the research, the  inner search and the writing, but I don't mind the efforts, even if it takes me several weeks to complete an assignment. What is truly important right now for me on my path is to go deeper into Saturn, and to do it in an orderly and structured manner, yet creative way. Of course I don't expect anyone in this thread to have the same need or desire, or to put as much time as I do, or to even understand where I am coming from.

I find that through the process of writing and immersing myself into an assignment without rushing, a synergy takes place. With each passing sign, I go a little bit deeper into the core of Saturn and experience it from the inside out. It allows me to ponder on things like...what is really a structure of consciousness? how does one experience it? how is it different from my sun, my moon or my mercury, not conceptually but experientially, and that works well for me. I feel that going around each sign also helps me go deeper into each archetypal sign, and in turn I can see and feel how a sign shapes the essence of Saturn. This foundation seems essential to me and is a very different approach than attaching keywords to a planet, with no real resonance or substance behind the words. I have seen this quick approach in many astrological circles and this has not proven very productive to me.

One of my goals and interest in participating in this thread was to explore Saturn around the zodiac thoroughly and get to a point where Saturn would begin to reveal itself naturally without having to "think" much about an interpretation of how the planet and a sign or house work together. For that reason right now I am more interested in focusing my energy on exploring all the signs/houses in conjunction with Saturn rather than going into multiple directions with Saturn...

In my last 3 assignments I have tried to incorporate, as an exploratory exercise, some of the themes that Linda mentioned in a recent e-mail (which I can't find anymore on the thread). Anyway I think it is possible to do so and still gain from exploring in a more in-depth way how the signs/houses condition Saturn and its structure of consciousness.

As other classmates on this thread, I am, as well, highly interested in working on those themes, but for the time being I feel I need to put more efforts into experiencing Saturn via all the signs/house, and slowly insert all those other themes as we progress.  

With regard to reading others' assignments on this thread, I never felt bored reading them, first because most were interesting, well-written and well thought of. This, to me, has value. Reading other classmates' assignments on Saturn has given me great joy, and a chance to learn, reflect, and see through other's eyes what I may not see myself. I feel this is very enriching, and even though it may seem like describing the JWG Saturnian archetypes is repetitive, it is the way that people combine these archetypes with their own perspective and understanding, as well as the examples they choose to personally give life to these archetypes, that I find interesting and stimulating.

As far as I am concerned, I approach the assignments as a learning process, and if the non-participant students read them and enjoy them, so much the better!  I think all the hard work that has been presented so far in this thread represents a wealth of information, and would be very helpful to those who later on want to study Saturn. I am under the impression that this was Rad's intention for this thread, but I may be wrong.

I have gained A LOT by doing, what turned-out to be longer assignments. I have done them so as to gain not a superficial understanding of Saturn but a deeper understanding. Once again everybody on this thread may have different needs, and that's fine. As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't mind if classmates choose to write shorter assignments, since this is not a competition or having to adjust to one another's style or efforts.

I am very thankful to Rad who each time takes the time to supervise the assignments and give us feedback and wonderful encouragement! It means a lot to me to  have an opportunity to be so thoroughly supervised on a topic that interests me. So, Rad, please know that I am very grateful for your time and knowledge. I've never heard about doing succinct assignments so if I have been "long-winded", it was certainly not intentional.

Since it is a group approach, I am excited and curious to see how the group will naturally resolve, transform, and move forward with this matter.

Gypsie

Hi Rad, Gypsie, Skywalker and Kristin,


Thanks for sharing some of your thoughts, and for reading mine.

Since I am obviously the odd-one-out, I think this thread should continue in the fashion it has been going.  The thread has covered Saturn in the signs Aries to Leo.  Virgo to Pisces left to go.

My problem is sitting in front of the computer for great lengths of time (many days), and the physical disability that takes place each time I do a long assignment.

This is my personal problem - and not a group problem.

Please go ahead without me. 

I will be editing the book on Saturn - so that will be my contribution.

You are all doing such great work, and it's a pleasure to be part of this Saturn thread by reading your assignments, and then finally getting to edit the book.

For now, I will be much happier with short assignments that are being generated in the Uranus thread.


Love and Thanks,

Linda

Hi All,

I think the way the thread was going was pretty good with Saturn thru the houses as Gypsie and Kristin were doing amazing work but I am personally not feeling the flow with this approach. I don´t want to interfere with what anyone desires so just go ahead and do whatever suits you all best. I will either contribute with Saturn thru the houses or will simply wait until Saturn thru the Zodiac is complete to resume.

If Gypsie has such a strong desire to continue like this then I´m sure she will do amazing work and I encourage her to go the way she desires in order to really express herself, to learn in the way she described she is learning, and thus to also help teach EA.

all the best

Hi Group,

While I valued deeply the extensive Saturn process through the houses, I will not be able to spend the same amount of time on these posts as in the past, as I have just started work on a new EA book, material JWG taught about years ago.

However, I will do what I can to support this thread moving forward.  :)

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Group and Skywalker,
Maybe we could do a blend. I could continue focus on the sign/house, while those interested focus on a particular Saturnian theme using the sign/house that is being explored at the moment. Just an idea.
Gypsie

Hi Gypsie,

I like that idea very much. Please go ahead then and I will be happy to read through what you write.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Linda, Skywalker, Kristin or anyone else who wishes to join this thread...

So Gypsie will continue on with Saturn through the signs. We can discuss any other archetype of Saturn that you wish too. So please let me know your thoughts / ideas of how you would like to proceed.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I´m waiting to see if others are going to participate before suggesting anything else.

All the best

Hi,

It has always been my intention to jump back in once Saturn thru the signs was done. Depending on time requirements, I am pretty sure I will try to participate as we explore the archetype more.

cat

Hi Rad & Group,

Skywalker had mentioned some topics he had been interested in re: Saturn earlier on. I am happy to explore wherever there is a specific interest and grow from there.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

I don´t see much interest in Saturn at the moment so I´m thinking maybe we should focus on the Uranus/PTSD thread and the new one on Geodetics and then get back to Saturn.

What do you think?

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Well all that expressed interest by so many in the Uranus thread also just seemed to evaporate. At some point I might restart that Uranus thread but maybe focusing on the transit of Uranus itself.

Very disappointed in our Saturn thread as it was once holding so much promise, providing so much useful information to so many: look how many clicks it has had.

Right now will just focus on the Geodetic thread and then see where we go from there.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I was still hoping to continue the Uranus thread relative to PTSD or anything else, I didn´t like my last assignment at all, seems like I didn´t realize the obvious and got lost in my own head and still hoped to do a few more. I think people "evaporate" as they are scared to make mistakes or don´t manage the time to do an assignment they feel comfortable with. There are always some who really take advantage and learn, so the effort is never in vain. Personally I´m really thankful.

Relative to Saturn maybe it´s just a matter of resuming at the right time or doing things in a new way. I think the way we did the Neptune thread really kept everyone interested.

Maybe someone else has something to add or some suggestions?

All the best

Hi Rad,
I wanted to let you know that I am still interested in the Saturn thread. Although I am still busy with my property, and working on my land (especially at this time of the year), I have been working on my Saturn in Cancer assignment, and was waiting to see what topic the other members of the group would choose to work on relative to Saturn, so that I could include it in my assignment as well. I am sorry that it didn't happen.
I hope I could still submit my work to you when it's time.
As always, thanks for your support and I look forward to continue studying under your supervision.
Gypsie

Hi Gypsie,

Yes, I am delighted of course that you are still working on the Saturn assignments. And when you share them here I will be very interested in reading you work again. You have a natural ability with EA that is wonderful, and helpful to others.

I am not going to give up on the Saturn thread as a whole either.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
Thanks. I appreciate. 
Gypsie

Dear all,

I am interested in the Saturn thread ... topic stop with Saturn in Gemini.
If someone can write something about Soul with Saturn in Scorpio (2nd house), I appreciate it !