Hi,
Is there a general rule of thumb that will make it easier to understand and interpret paradoxical charts, that is, a chart where house rulers are in the signs that are opposite to the natural rulers of those houses?
In the attached chart, Pluto in Leo is in the 11th house, SN Cancer in the 10th, and NN Capricorn in the 4th.
Thanks.
Hi Linda,
Quote from: Linda on Aug 24, 2009, 03:26 PM
Hi,
Is there a general rule of thumb that will make it easier to understand and interpret paradoxical charts, that is, a chart where house rulers are in the signs that are opposite to the natural rulers of those houses?
In the attached chart, Pluto in Leo is in the 11th house, SN Cancer in the 10th, and NN Capricorn in the 4th.
Thanks.
The general rule of thumb is to help the person understand what the nature and causes are of the underlying paradoxes within them, and then to help them determine a way of resolving those paradoxes. Simple example in the chart you have provided: a deep, natural fear of loss and abandonment which has happened in many lives through misapplication of trust which, in turn, has caused them to emotionally and psychologically isolate themselves from others as a way of compensating for that, which in turn has caused them to feel very alone within the world, which then causes a deep need to connect with and/or be in at least one committed relationship of like mind, yet not knowing how to get there or make that happen because of the fears of abandonment, etc. A paradox. The resolution in this cause is to choose another who is not only of like mind, but one is utterly self reliant at the POINT OF ATTRACTION. The one is self reliant , self empowered, etc will the not have a double agenda which could lead to a recreation of the past life dynamics leading to another misapplication of the trust which then leads to being used all over again.
Rad
Wow - that really describes her.
Thank you so much.
Hi Rad,
Is a deep natural fear of loss and abandonment to be found in all paradoxical charts, or could the underlying nature and causes of the paradox be attributed to any number of reasons?
In the above chart, the way I understood your rule of thumb was that the underlying paradox related to a deep natural fear of loss and abandonment correlating to her Scorpio planets, such being the rulers of her SN and NN.
Could you please clarify how the nature and causes of underlying paradoxes can be determined in any chart? Are we looking at Scorpio energies for signs of betrayal and abandonment in general, or could the underlying paradox be some other type of trauma/shock/disturbance?
I would appreciate your opinion on what the nature and causes of the underlying paradoxes would be in Ellen's chart.
Thank you.
Hi Linda,
Quote from: Linda on Aug 07, 2010, 04:01 AM
Hi Rad,
Is a deep natural fear of loss and abandonment to be found in all paradoxical charts, or could the underlying nature and causes of the paradox be attributed to any number of reasons?
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They can be caused by any number of reasons.
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In the above chart, the way I understood your rule of thumb was that the underlying paradox related to a deep natural fear of loss and abandonment correlating to her Scorpio planets, such being the rulers of her SN and NN.
Could you please clarify how the nature and causes of underlying paradoxes can be determined in any chart? Are we looking at Scorpio energies for signs of betrayal and abandonment in general, or could the underlying paradox be some other type of trauma/shock/disturbance?
I would appreciate your opinion on what the nature and causes of the underlying paradoxes would be in Ellen's chart.
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First, we do not do personal charts on this message board Linda. Each chart has it's own unique signature. In the case of charts that do symbolize the core of paradoxes the symbols, in each chart, are the causes of those paradoxes.
Thank you.
God Bless, Rad
Quote from: Rad on Aug 07, 2010, 09:41 AM
Hi Linda,
Quote from: Linda on Aug 07, 2010, 04:01 AM
Hi Rad,
Is a deep natural fear of loss and abandonment to be found in all paradoxical charts, or could the underlying nature and causes of the paradox be attributed to any number of reasons?
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They can be caused by any number of reasons.
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In the above chart, the way I understood your rule of thumb was that the underlying paradox related to a deep natural fear of loss and abandonment correlating to her Scorpio planets, such being the rulers of her SN and NN.
Could you please clarify how the nature and causes of underlying paradoxes can be determined in any chart? Are we looking at Scorpio energies for signs of betrayal and abandonment in general, or could the underlying paradox be some other type of trauma/shock/disturbance?
I would appreciate your opinion on what the nature and causes of the underlying paradoxes would be in Ellen's chart.
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<b>First, we do not do personal charts on this message board Linda.
Hi Rad,
Just want to get your ok re: the following. (I assume you or someone else would have stepped in if you felt there was a problem, but given the above highlieghted text, I thought I'd check.) There's been a lot of conversation on the EA thread re: my evolutionary stage re: the paradoxes, hiding signatures and skipped steps. There seems to be a general consensus that these need to be understood in order to be able to understand the EA stage. I have been adding a lot myself over the last couple days as things seem to be making more sense for me and I have felt that by sharing these things, that could help others make better sense of the chart and thus wade through the confusing details to get better clarity on assessing my stage. Just wondering if you feel that this is ok or not for the MB....?
Peace,
Ellen
Each chart has it's own unique signature. In the case of charts that do symbolize the core of paradoxes the symbols, in each chart, are the causes of those paradoxes.
Thank you.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Ellen,
First, I have not been following that thread much as it seemed a great vehicle for all that participate to do it as they see fit. So have been unaware of how 'personal' your chart has become. The EA stage of anyone is not dependent of understanding the nature of the paradoxes. The underlying orientation to life itself is the basis of one's EA stage. It is necessary to discourage doing members of this EA message board from doing their personal charts because, in the end, that's what the message board would become.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad, I have a question based on your last post:
"The underlying orientation to life itself is the basis of one's EA stage."
so, this could be as simple as observing how the person lives their life? by that I mean, regardless of "this is what I want to do", "this is how I would like things to be", but what they are actually doing? or is that too limiting an approach?
Hi Linda,
Here's a quote from JWG from page 286 of the archives
Quotethe first thing to do it to understand why this paradoxical pattern has been determined by the soul in the first place.....in general when the chart is opposite i.e. libra ascedant resulting house cusps all being in opposition to their natural placements the individual must learn how to intergrate and synthsize the oppositional nature of their own inner conflicts......i.e. libra asc at once has a primary desire to complete itself in relationship yet at the same time just as strong a desire for almost total freedom and independence.......so the question becomes why is this from an evolutionary point of view...all to often such signature means that in prior times the most recent prior lives that the person had been fitting themselves into other peoples reality....to live thru them or others to always give without alot of receiving....to be so highly attuned to other people's needs that they lost sight of their own.....so when that has been the case the meaning of the paradoxical symbols this time correlates to learning how to let others FIT THEIR REALITY versus the other way around.....,Jeffrey
What I intuitively understand, in terms of determining "why" a chart will manifest in such a way, is to simply look at where the planetary energies manifest themselves. In the chart you posted Linda we can see where the paradoxes lie- based on the karmic signatures of the chart. The nodal axis, including the the planet sconjunct the sn, as well as the planet squaring the nodes- all fall in "cardinal" houses and signs. Cancer, Libra, Capricorn. And as you said the nodes are ruled by Scorpio in the second. Combined, and understood within the complete ea paradigm, along with ea state (which I guess Rad just knew?) we can understand the specific cause for the paradox.
Ari Moshe
Quote from: Rad on Aug 07, 2010, 03:21 PM
Hi Ellen,
First, I have not been following that thread much as it seemed a great vehicle for all that participate to do it as they see fit. So have been unaware of how 'personal' your chart has become. The EA stage of anyone is not dependent of understanding the nature of the paradoxes. The underlying orientation to life itself is the basis of one's EA stage. It is necessary to discourage doing members of this EA message board from doing their personal charts because, in the end, that's what the message board would become.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thanks. I'll post this on the EA practice thread for all of us to consider.
Peace,
Ellen
I'm wondering what the significance would be, if any, of the reverse of this ... of charts where the signs are all aligned with their natural houses, i.e Aries ASC, Taurus on 2nd house cusp, Gemini on 3rd etc ? Anyone have any ideas on this?