In an old thread Rad said:
Quote" Relative to orbs and house cusps: when a planet, any planet, is one or degree or less from a house cusp, i.e. that your Pluto is within one degree of the 11th House cusp, means that an entire sequence of lives is culminating relative to the archetype of the House / Sign that the Pluto, or any planet, is in. It's in essence mutating/ evolving from one archetype to the next: the house on it's immediate horizon. In your case that would be the 11th House. When a planet, any planet, is within one degree after a House Cusp that means the the culmination has basically been accomplished and that a brand new sequence of lives is beginning relative to the archetype of the House that that planet is in."
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I am looking at a chart with Mars 14 Pisces 06. The 5th House cusp is 14 Pisces 19. In light of what Rad states above, then interpreting Mars in the 4th serves to help explain its influence in past lives but that influence is no longer influencing the current life? So for the current life Mars should be interpreted using the 5th house archetype? Am I understanding this right?
Thanks
cat
Hi Cat
QuoteIn light of what Rad states above, then interpreting Mars in the 4th serves to help explain its influence in past lives but that influence is no longer influencing the current life? So for the current life Mars should be interpreted using the 5th house archetype? Am I understanding this right?
No, you are not understanding that correctly. Please read it again.
"when a planet... is one degree or less from a house cusp, [it] means that an entire sequence of lives is culminating relative to the archetype of the House / Sign that the Pluto, or any planet, is in. It's in essence mutating/ evolving from one archetype to the next: the house on it's immediate horizon."
It says IS CULMINATING, IS MUTATING. It does not say HAS CULMINATED, HAS MUTATED. When you are in the last month of your senior year in college you do not consider yourself graduated but as
imminently graduating. It's not over until its over, no matter how close "over" is. You would interpret yourself in that way - I'm graduating from college, almost there. The smell of the new is on the horizon - the next house - you can feel sense taste smell it coming, you may be excited about it, you may be a little scared about it, but you are not there yet. That is how we'd see it ourself. And that is exactly how you interpret the 4th house placement you wrote about.
it's Pluto in the 4th, with Balsamic overtones. If you aren't familiar with Balsamic please use the search box on this site and read about its characteristics. This is not Balsamic in the classic EA sense of an aspect of conjunction prior to exact conjunction. But it has the
flavor of Balsamic, culmination. And the Balsamic archetypes apply.
It is possible during the course of this life that the planet enters the next house by progression - that is a symbol of the ongoing evolution. Yet the imprint of the natal chart remains throughout the present life, as the natal placements symbolize the underlying evolutionary causes of this present life. When those are fulfilled the person is leaving the present body as there's no longer any reason to sustain it.
Steve
Thanks Steve! Loving those school analogies! Will take your advise and brush up on the Balsamic topic!
Thanks again,
cat
Thank you Cat and Steve! Something just "clicked" (as in LIGHTBULB!!!) in regards to a few charts I have studied for years.... one being my own.
Thank you again for this MB and your questions and answers. --Invaluable.
Dhyana
Ok, another question in regard to a chart with Mars 14 Pisces 06. The 5th House cusp is 14 Pisces 19.
After studying this a bit, this particular Mars is in a Balsamic Phase in regard to its house. (4th House). In relation to Pluto, this Mars is 194 degrees away indicating it is in a Full Phase. Being that it is 194 degrees of separation, this is a subsidary life in regard to this Mars acting on the desires that emanate from the soul. The soul has therefore been working on its current core intentions for five past primary lifes and this current subsidary life. Obviously, the soul will be working on its current intentions for at least three more lifes. So, since Mars is in a Balsamic Phase in regard to it being conjunct a house cusp, , this means that although the soul will continue working on its current desires, the way these desires are identified and instinctually acted on is going to change? (At least in regard to the 4th house archetype).??? Do I have that right?
thanks!
cat
Hi Cat,
Yes ......
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thanks!!!!
I have a question in regard to this that I have been thinking about all day. I'm not sure I can formulate it properly but will give it a shot.
This particular Mars, which is acting on the desires of the soul, is in the Balsamic Phase in regard to the house (4th House). The 4th house and Pisces (Mars is also in Pisces), happen to be Pluto's Polarity Point. So I am wondering, does this mean that the intention and desires of the polarity point are being acted on in the current life? And, being that Mars is in the Balsmic Phase in regard to being in the 4th house, but Pluto/Mars are in Full Phase, what does this mean? Since Mars acts on the soul's desires, it doesn't seem to make sense that Mars was acting on the soul's desires before they were the soul's desires, so what does it mean? Does it mean Mars has been acting on these desires at an accelerated rate? If so, would Mar's aspects explain how that has/is happening? Or am I just getting way off base here????
Thanks for your help,
cat
Hi Cat,
The polarity point of Pluto in any chart correlates the next step in the Soul's evolution that requires choices to be made by the Soul for that to happen. With Mars at this polarity point and in opposition to the natal Mars this means that those desires that reflect the Soul's next evolutionary steps have been in place prior to the current life. The nature of the opposition means that the Soul has been, and is, in an evolutionary process of needing to 'throw off' existing dynamics within it that are blocking it's next evolutionary steps. When those existing dynamics, whatever they are, are thrown off the the Soul's next evolutionary steps, progression, can proceed. This is restated by the balsamic condition of Mars in the 4th relative to it's conjunction to the 5th House cusp. To fully evolve, embrace the next evolutionary steps symbolized the the 5th House the Soul must bring to culmination, then throw off, whatever those existing dynamics are that are needing to be thrown off for the Soul's evolution to proceed.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you again, Rad. This is very enlightening. I am sure it will be the theme in my mind all day long! I appreciate your help!
cat
Hi Rad,
I have been staring at Mars in this chart again and my next question popped into my mind.
Based on the Plu/Mars phase this is a subsidary life. A subsidary life is one in which the soul is working out its intentions in a variety of indirect ways. In this particular chart, Mars forms and aspect with every planet except Pluto. With that in mind, is it safe to assume that these aspects Mars makes with all of the other planets are the "variety of indirect ways" that the soul is currently working out its desires through Mars?
If that is the case, then this implies that a soul can accomplish quite a bit in a subsidary life, its just going about it in an indirect manner rather than "head on" ?
Thanks again,
cat
Hi Cat,
" With that in mind, is it safe to assume that these aspects Mars makes with all of the other planets are the "variety of indirect ways" that the soul is currently working out its desires through Mars?"
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Yes. It is analogous to entering a room and seeing another door on the opposite side of that room, yet to get to that door there is a variety of debris that must be removed before the door can be gotten too, and then walked through.
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"If that is the case, then this implies that a soul can accomplish quite a bit in a subsidary life, its just going about it in an indirect manner rather than "head on" ?"
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Yes..............
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God Bless, Rad
Quote from: Rad on Sep 08, 2011, 08:36 AM
Yes. It is analogous to entering a room and seeing another door on the opposite side of that room, yet to get to that door there is a variety of debris that must be removed before the door can be gotten too, and then walked through.
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"If that is the case, then this implies that a soul can accomplish quite a bit in a subsidary life, its just going about it in an indirect manner rather than "head on" ?"
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Hi, Rad and Everyone,
I'm new here. I've been reading through many of the old threads on planets that square the nodes, and it's been very helpful!
Now I'm trying to understand primary lives. I've read a thread about primary lives, and I've read what Jeffrey wrote in his books, and I still don't understand it. Can you use an analogy like you did above for a subsidiary life, having to clear debris in order to get through the door to explain primary lives?
Thanks much,
Michele
Hi Michele,
First, welcome to our message board. If we use the analogy that you posted the primary life would mean entering that same room, seeing that door on the other side, and moving directly towards it without any debris being in that room to move through.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you, Rad! That helps me understand the difference between a primary life and a subsidiary life in simple terms.
With gratitude,
Michele