Hi All,
It just hit me as I was thinking about skipped steps and the result that both SN/NN and thus also Pluto/PPP are involved in past life dynamics. Often this can mean, if you look ONLY at the specific planets/points - the planet itself, house location and sign (ie, not looking at aspects) - that 11 archetypes are involved in past life dynamics. Thus one archetype is not involved, though of course in many cases probably is by aspect. Just curious though, if there is any significance to this from an EA perspective. Like I said, just hit me and I will be contemplating this. I saw this in my own chart, and the "singleton" archetype is intriguing. But I'm not asking about my chart. Just curious generally if there is anything of significance in this. And sorry for these types of impulsive questions (if they annoy anyone!). I have Mars/Mercury conjunct - helps me to kick it into motion by asking.
Thanks. And if nothing there to warrant consideration, no problem. Just curious.
Ellen
Hi Ellen,
Great question.
Here is my understanding of this right now
All archetypes are part of every life we live. In a situation which you describe, even if the sign of the "˜singleton' archetype was not on a house cusp and the corresponding house was totally empty, we still would have some sign on the house of this archetype, a ruler of that house, and the linked planet archetype somewhere in the chart.
Also, there is a south node of this planet archetype.
So, my understanding is looking at all of this also in light of everything the core evolutionary signature is telling us. Somewhere in the picture which the chart is painting, we will see how this archetype manifests in the current life dynamics.
I know you already know this, but just to say it - it sounds like a situation where this archetype is not highlighted in the soul's evolution as much as the other's are at this moment.
Hope this helps some,
What are your thoughts that come up after reading this?
Goddess Bless,
Bradley
Quote from: Bradley J on Aug 24, 2011, 07:59 AM
Hi Ellen,
Great question.
Here is my understanding of this right now
All archetypes are part of every life we live. In a situation which you describe, even if the sign of the "˜singleton' archetype was not on a house cusp and the corresponding house was totally empty, we still would have some sign on the house of this archetype, a ruler of that house, and the linked planet archetype somewhere in the chart.
Also, there is a south node of this planet archetype.
So, my understanding is looking at all of this also in light of everything the core evolutionary signature is telling us. Somewhere in the picture which the chart is painting, we will see how this archetype manifests in the current life dynamics.
I know you already know this, but just to say it - it sounds like a situation where this archetype is not highlighted in the soul's evolution as much as the other's are at this moment.
Hope this helps some,
What are your thoughts that come up after reading this?
Goddess Bless,
Bradley
Hi Bradley,
Thank you. Yes, I do understand what you are saying and thank you for your thoughts on this. It's not so much that I'm questioning if the archetype is still active and working and relevant. It just struck me that all the other archetypes are DIRECTLY involved in the karmic axis, but this one is not. And I wondered about that. When I realized this about the 11 archetypes being involved, I looked at my chart to see which one was left out. Because I still do very little work with other people's charts, my own chart is my primary reference point for learning EA. It is in that spirit that I am talking about this. It was just an interesting thing to see. It is the archetype that is on my 10th house cusp (an area of life in which I have struggled enormously - no, or little, experience with?; simply not the thing that needs to be prioritized in this life?; also interesting that the planet that rules this archetype is retrograde, and by progression it continued retrograde until it went just beyond my Sun [within a degree], then turned direct; the timing of that was amazing in terms of chapters in my life and my overall journey; and in a sense it seems to me that this planet's function has been to sort of capture the energy of the Sun and carry it forward. Not asking for an analysis of my chart. Just using as an example to try to explain how I'm thinking and why I became curious if there is an EA perspective on this. Perhaps in some way this planet is free of past dynamics [relatively so], and so can aid in recovery efforts..?) Anyway, all just thoughts. Made me wonder. There's always something to ponder, isn't there?
Any thoughts back?
Warmly,
Ellen
Hi Ellen and Bradley,
I also want to thank you for this question, Ellen, it sounds interesting, and it also brings up some questions for me. One being what exactly the "singleton" archetype is- do you mean by this a situation in which 11 out of 12 archetypes are directly linked to skipped steps, so the one archetype that is not directly linked is the "singleton"? But by saying this, you also mean that you are not looking at the aspects, you are just looking at the house and sign positions of the nodes, pluto, and pluto polarity point? I also agree about all of the archetypes always being present in a life, but I am curious in this specific situation if there is still a singleton when you include aspects? And if so, would there ever be a situation when you would not want to look at the aspects? And if not, if there is a situation that when you are looking at the nodes, pluto and polarity point, and all the aspects, if there is actually only one archetype left out of this, you should then do the following as Bradley suggested: find out the sign ruling the house of that archetype and look to the position of the planet ruling the archetype, to see how it fits into the past life story. I guess I am mostly looking for clarification of my understanding of this, but also the "singleton" idea is interesting to me and I am also wondering if there is any additional significance- such as the idea that maybe this is an archetype the person could be very experienced with across time and not in need of as much focus, or perhaps the opposite of this idea (depending on the unique personal development of the person).
thanks,
gray
Hi Gray,
Thanks, all great thoughts/questions. Below are my answers to your questions. But I'm very much in the dark here. Could be absolutely nothing to this. Just struck me as interesting and, in my fairly impulsive way, posted my question. I'm sure a moderator will step in and provide some clear answers.
Quote from: Gray on Aug 24, 2011, 11:14 AM
Hi Ellen and Bradley,
I also want to thank you for this question, Ellen, it sounds interesting, and it also brings up some questions for me. One being what exactly the "singleton" archetype is- do you mean by this a situation in which 11 out of 12 archetypes are directly linked to skipped steps, so the one archetype that is not directly linked is the "singleton"?
Yes, this is what I mean. I used the term used for planets that are all alone in a sector or hemisphere of a chart.......
But by saying this, you also mean that you are not looking at the aspects, you are just looking at the house and sign positions of the nodes, pluto, and pluto polarity point?
Yes, this is what I'm saying, so very derived......
I also agree about all of the archetypes always being present in a life, but I am curious in this specific situation if there is still a singleton when you include aspects?
I suspect there is not. In the example of my own chart, the "singleton" is in fact conjunct (widely) the SN and involved in many other aspects with the past life signatures. Just interesting to me that every other aspect is DIRECTLY involved, and this one just by aspect. Although, technically, even that's not true, as it rules 2 signs - 1 part of the karmic axis, 1 not.
And if so, would there ever be a situation when you would not want to look at the aspects?
That's the question, isn't it? You would look at the aspects, but might you also be thinking, as you are doing that, of a kind of special circumstance relating to that one planet....? And, when you look at what the planet associated with that archetype has been doing by progression/transit, and also its natal condition/situation, might it provide some unique insight relative to the journey of the Soul in this lifetime working through those past life signatures.....? I think I'm thinking a little like a classical greek astrologer here......
And if not, if there is a situation that when you are looking at the nodes, pluto and polarity point, and all the aspects, if there is actually only one archetype left out of this, you should then do the following as Bradley suggested: find out the sign ruling the house of that archetype and look to the position of the planet ruling the archetype, to see how it fits into the past life story.
Agreed. But just have the outstanding questions as above. Might there be a particular way in which you look at it......?
I guess I am mostly looking for clarification of my understanding of this,
Hopefully a moderator will jump in. I would also be interesting in clarification from an EA perspective.
but also the "singleton" idea is interesting to me and I am also wondering if there is any additional significance- such as the idea that maybe this is an archetype the person could be very experienced with across time and not in need of as much focus, or perhaps the opposite of this idea (depending on the unique personal development of the person).
Hmm. Interesting. JWG does talk about how to differentiate between an "empty" sign as to whether it is so because the Soul has it pretty well down pat, or because the Soul has little/no experience with it. As with so much of my studies right now, I am aware that he's talked about it, but have not yet internalized them so that I know them. Could be an interesting avenue to explore if there's any baseline validity to the idea.
And also, just wanted to say (and I'm sure you know this!) that I didn't mean anything particularly special with the "singleton" way of trying to describe it. Just a convenient word to try to get at it without posting an impractically long header to the thread.......
Thanks for your questions/thoughts, Gray. I'm sure we all get some answers soon.......
Warmly,
Ellen[/color]
Hi Ellen,
Thanks for your response.
I have a couple thoughts.
First, the story of how the archetype in question interweaves with the totality of the soul's experience is, of course unique to each soul.
I believe we both already know this; the reason I say this is because, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, the WHY behind each case of one lonely/singleton/unemphasized archetype is impossible to say or conclude without understanding the whole chart in context of the soul's reality.
My other thought is: if you want to get more specific, I'd be happy to dialogue with you outside of the thread.
Blessings,
Bradley
Quote from: Bradley J on Aug 24, 2011, 01:09 PM
Hi Ellen,
Thanks for your response.
I have a couple thoughts.
First, the story of how the archetype in question interweaves with the totality of the soul's experience is, of course unique to each soul.
I believe we both already know this; the reason I say this is because, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, the WHY behind each case of one lonely/singleton/unemphasized archetype is impossible to say or conclude without understanding the whole chart in context of the soul's reality.
My other thought is: if you want to get more specific, I'd be happy to dialogue with you outside of the thread.
Blessings,
Bradley
Hi Bradley,
Thanks. This makes a lot of sense. No need to continue outside of the thread but thank you for the offer. Will just continue walking with this...
Warmly,
Ellen