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Hi Deva, Rad, everyone:

Without going into the planetary nodes just yet  ;D  I'd like to grasp the principles behind Pluto square the Nodal Axis.

(Example:  10th house Pluto - SN 7th - NN 1st)

My understanding is:

Pluto Polarity + North Node + NN Ruler are to be integrated through the SN. 

Is Pluto square the Nodes due to missed steps in the past? 
Is the SN still evolving?
Is the SN area where I missed the steps?

Transiting Pluto will exactly conjunct my Venus (ruler of SN) in January 2010. 

I'm quite anxious to understand the meaning behind it all - so that I can work with the transit.

Your guidance and knowledge are greatly appreciated!

Many thanks!

Hi Linda, I can help with understanding the basics of Pluto square the nodes. It symbolizes that the Soul has skippped steps prior to the current life that must be recovered in the current life in order for personal growth to continue. The node that last formed a conjunction to Pluto is the "resolution" node, or the node that will be used to integrate and resolve the skipped steps (if the South Node last formed a cojunction to Pluto then the South Node and it's planetary ruler will be used to integarte the current evolutionary lessons symbolized by Pluto's polarity point and the NN). In the case of Pluto square the nodal axis the Soul has not fully developed the lessons reflected by either of the nodes and so has skipped steps to resolve in both areas (NN and SN). The Soul has attempted to evade or escape these lessons by fluxating back and forth between the behaviors of the South Node and the North Node (so neither area has been fully resolved or developed). In the current life then, the Soul must fully recover or resolve those skipped steps (it is a critical evolutionary juncture for any Soul that has this natal signature).
In terms of transits,  transits symbolize critical times from an evolutionary point of view where the core lessons in the natal chart are emphasized to be resolved, and growth is intended to occur in an accleterated/intensifed manner. The specific transit will of course reflect the core dynamcis to be worked upon. The example you gave is great of pluto in aspect to Venus which is the PR of your South node with natal Pluto sqaure the nodal axis.
These are general points that I hope help answer some of your questions.
Thanks for posting.
Deva   

Thanks Deva,

It's immensely interesting to know that both the South and North Node lessons need to be developed.

I look forward to core lessons being resolved and for growth to occur during the Pluto conjunct Venus transit. 

Many thanks indeed.

Quote from: Linda on Apr 21, 2009, 06:18 PM
Thanks Deva,

It's immensely interesting to know that both the South and North Node lessons need to be developed.

I look forward to core lessons being resolved and for growth to occur during the Pluto conjunct Venus transit. 

Many thanks indeed.

HI Linda,

One thing I would add about your nodal axis with the Pluto square is that anytime one's sees the nodal axis in the 7th/1st , or 1st/7th , is an underlying EMOTIONAL PARADOX that needs to be identified in order for the skipped steps, the Pluto square, to be resolved. The nature of that emotional paradox is one wherein the individual has two opposing emotional needs. One is for an almost absolute freedom, and the other is one of almost absolute relationship. Obviously these needs, desires, go in opposite directions. And because of this underlying emotional paradox the person then chooses partners in which only some of the core needs are met. It's like finding bits and pieces of the overall needs in each on of these kinds of  partners. This is an unconscious way of creating 'exit points' so that freedom, independence, can occur again. The way to resolve that is to identify all the the core and essential needs and then making a relationship choice in that knowledge.

Rad

Quote from: Rad on Apr 22, 2009, 12:31 PM

HI Linda,

One thing I would add about your nodal axis with the Pluto square is that anytime one's sees the nodal axis in the 7th/1st , or 1st/7th , is an underlying EMOTIONAL PARADOX that needs to be identified in order for the skipped steps, the Pluto square, to be resolved. The nature of that emotional paradox is one wherein the individual has two opposing emotional needs. One is for an almost absolute freedom, and the other is one of almost absolute relationship. Obviously these needs, desires, go in opposite directions. And because of this underlying emotional paradox the person then chooses partners in which only some of the core needs are met. It's like finding bits and pieces of the overall needs in each on of these kinds of  partners. This is an unconscious way of creating 'exit points' so that freedom, independence, can occur again. The way to resolve that is to identify all the the core and essential needs and then making a relationship choice in that knowledge.

Rad

Rad,

This is amazing information!  It exactly describes my dilemma.  I am indeed stuck in the middle between absolute relationship and absolute freedom!  I now have a VERY strong desire for relationship as transiting Pluto approaches my Venus (ruler of SN).  I do tend to pick partners that in no way want a committed relationship.

I will attest to the fact that the 1st/7th or 7th/1st axis relates to an emotional paradox.  What I have decided is this: 

Freedom within a relationship and/or to have a relationship within my free status.  I aspire toward the self-sufficient relationship archetype.

Your quote:  The way to resolve that is to identify all the core and essential needs and then making a relationship choice in that knowledge.

This is an ideal resolution. 

Hi All,
I have been working (practicing) on a lot of charts over the last few months, finding that it is in practicing with these charts, that I am learning so much, and my intuition is being honed... more trustworthy.

What I have been practicing is the basics of EA. By that I mean that I am basically staying with Pluto, it's polarity point  North and South Nodes and squares to the nodes. I have not been able to go too much further than this, for now. I am finding that just working with this much, and sharing it with those who inquire, in and of itself, is so rich, so useful and so profound for people. EA has touched so many in my life; and they all thank you so much!

Let me now get to my question, I am quoting Deva's text below because I have a question about PLUTO SQUARE THE NODES.

I am currently working on a chart of a first stage spiritual person (definately sure about stage), who has a Pluto in Virgo conjuncting the Ascendant, Squaring the NODES. Nn is in Scorpio H3, Sn Taurus H9.
CORRECTION ADDED= North Node4TH and  South Node10TH

Deva mentions below that we must find the node that last formed a conjunction to Pluto, and that this is the  "resolution" node, or the node that will be used to integrate and resolve the skipped steps. Well, I do not know how to figure this out. My understanding, practice and experience thus far has been only the basics as I described above. Might someone help me with this and help me to understand his Pluto and it's aspect more?

This man whose chart this is, is such a beautiful soul who brings such healing and love to so very many people and for me to even have the honor of looking into his chart touches me deeply --and because his life touches SO MANY others lives, I want to be sure I give him the  most accurate information I can, as I do for all I have connected with  EA, but this ;Pluto square the nodes, I am unsure?

PS. I just tried to attach his chart to this message, but it said the file was too large, and I cannot figure out how to make it smaller?  hmmm? I have had this trouble before, so I wonder if it has to do with me using a MAC?
With that said, would someone so kindly, consider posting the chart for me? His birth data is as follows:
Dec.28, 1956
9PM (i am certain time is ACCURATE and not guessed or rounded off)
Washington DC
We can use his initials B.P.P. for name

Thank you so much for any support.

Dhyana

Quote from: Deva on Apr 21, 2009, 10:33 AM
Hi Linda, I can help with understanding the basics of Pluto square the nodes. It symbolizes that the Soul has skippped steps prior to the current life that must be recovered in the current life in order for personal growth to continue. The node that last formed a conjunction to Pluto is the "resolution" node, or the node that will be used to integrate and resolve the skipped steps (if the South Node last formed a cojunction to Pluto then the South Node and it's planetary ruler will be used to integarte the current evolutionary lessons symbolized by Pluto's polarity point and the NN). In the case of Pluto square the nodal axis the Soul has not fully developed the lessons reflected by either of the nodes and so has skipped steps to resolve in both areas (NN and SN). The Soul has attempted to evade or escape these lessons by fluxating back and forth between the behaviors of the South Node and the North Node (so neither area has been fully resolved or developed). In the current life then, the Soul must fully recover or resolve those skipped steps (it is a critical evolutionary juncture for any Soul that has this natal signature).
In terms of transits,  transits symbolize critical times from an evolutionary point of view where the core lessons in the natal chart are emphasized to be resolved, and growth is intended to occur in an accleterated/intensifed manner. The specific transit will of course reflect the core dynamcis to be worked upon. The example you gave is great of pluto in aspect to Venus which is the PR of your South node with natal Pluto sqaure the nodal axis.
These are general points that I hope help answer some of your questions.
Thanks for posting.
Deva    

Here we go Dhyana ... but I notice the Nodes are 10th / 4th. Have I got all the birth details right?

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4865178215_2f50d85893_b.jpg)

THANKS ;D Upasika!  And yes, u have it correct! i was tired and looked at it wrong -- U r correct --NODES are 4th and 10th

...so how does one go about finding the last conjunction? ..that leads us to understand the  resolution?
And with him being a 1st house Pluto, it should be quite interesting.

thanks again

dhyana

Dhyana,

Imagine the chart as a large circle on the floor. Go and stand at the point where the planet squaring the Nodes is (in this case Pluto, so "stand" on that spot) and face into the center of the circle (chart).

(In this case when you do this you would see Pallas on the other side of the circle, opposite you)

Now, look to the Node that is to your left. In this case that is the South Node. THAT is the Node that the squaring planet (in this case Pluto) is applying to, and therefore the resolution Node.

Quote from: Dhyana on Aug 06, 2010, 06:16 AM
...so how does one go about finding the last conjunction? ..that leads us to understand the  resolution?
And with him being a 1st house Pluto, it should be quite interesting.

thanks again

dhyana

Great visual Upasika.  For me, retrograde motion always seemed to confuse my brain, so what I've found to work is as follows:  if you have access to solarfire or some other software that can animate the chart into the past or future, you can rewind backwards until you literally watch and see which node it was that last formed a conjunction to Pluto (or whichever planet was squaring the nodal axis).  Hope that helps.

Will

Thanks again Upasika. And thank you Will.

Now I am getting even more confused bc if the resolution lies in the SN Taurus, then what do I make of the North Node as a given resolution point for a soul in general?

Whenever this kind of thing shows up in a chart (where the resolution and the seperating desires are similar or in the same house or sign) I have gotten stumped.

Thanks for anything that might help me understand this..

Dhyana

Dhyana

QuoteNow I am getting even more confused bc if the resolution lies in the SN Taurus, then what do I make of the North Node as a given resolution point for a soul in general?

The NN is not a resolution point for a Soul, it is the path of evolutionary intent.  Those are two entirely different things.

The only place in EA the idea of a resolution point is found is with skipped steps.  The definition of a skipped step is the Soul has been skipping back and forth from the SN to the NN to the SN to the NN, completing neither of them.  This has become a habitual behavior pattern.  In order to break the habit pattern, one of the nodes has to be developed to a completeness.  How do you know which one?  That is what the resolution node is.

I visualize it as there are a series of knots that are jamming things up.  The resolution node is the key knot that when untied allows all the other knots to be more easily released.  Until it is released its not possible to have consistent movement towards the NN, which is the evolutionary intention.

Another frequent astrological misconception to clear up is we are not trying to leave the SN behind and move exclusively to the NN.  There is no way to completely leave the SN behind - it is too much a part of who I am, who I have been for a really long time. It is the SN of the MOON, and the Moon represents my sense of self-image.  What we are trying to do is not leave the SN behind, but evolve how I perceive and live out the SN.

When the NN is the resolution node, I take what is learned at the NN back to the SN, learning to do the SN IN NEW WAYS. 

When the SN is the resolution node, I need to learn a new way to do the SN AT THE SN.  Remember that skipped steps means efforts has already been made at the NN, so I have learned more.  Perhaps the issue is I've not yet integrated what I've learned into the SN - still doing it the same way.  So I can integrate my new understandings into the SN thus advancing my perceptions of it.   The SN contains our habitual emotional patterns.  Changing it is just like changing any existing habit, to a new and improved one.

Hope this is helpful
Steve

Extremely helpful Steve. I am so glad I asked. I will now look at his chart with this in mind and if I should  need more help, which I probably will, I would love for you to jump in.  

And, I was already quite clear about the second misconception you mentioned, (about the common misconception/idea that one needs to get away from the SN) but the way you mentioned it again added even more clarity to the whole nodal axis thing.

Thanks

D.

Hi Dhyana,
I also want to share something that I feel adds clarity to the ea method of reading skipped steps. This is what I understand from a prior discussion. I haven't found where this thread was- I think it was Bradley's...

The question was once asked "why is the node that last formed a conjunction to the planet in question the resolution node?" The answer is that from a phasal point of view, the node that last formed a conjunction with that planet forms a waxing square (which would be a crescent or first quarter square). The other node forms a waning square (which would be a disseminating or last quarter square).

The way I understand this is the waxing square is earlier in the process- symbolizing a conscious choice that needs to be made on the part of the soul (crisis in action). It is fundamental and needs to be established first.
Ari Moshe

Ari, that added a key ingredient! Thanks for responding to your intuition in sharing that! Great!

LOVE,
Dhyana

I also have Pluto square my Nodal Axis. It seems like my South Node is my resolution Node, but I am not quite sure how it will work out in my case... Can you please provide me some information on my planetary position. I have Pluto in Scorpio 14.04 (12th house), North Node in Pisces 7.55 (4th house) and South Node in Virgo (10th house). I would be really grateful if you can explain how I should resolve my skipped karmic lessons through SN. Thank you.   

Hi Victoria,

Welcome to the EA message board!  Since I have just read your post, I'll share with you that on this forum, as a rule of thumb, we don't interpret personal charts. 

There are many EA astrologers that can assist you in the analysis or guidance you are seeking.  That said, if you have Pluto in Scorpio at 14 and the SN in Virgo at 7 degrees this is not a square, but a sextile.  I'm sure Rad or one of the other moderators of the forum can best guide you to more answers to your questions. 

All the best,
Wendy

Quote from: Victoria12 on Sep 05, 2012, 10:14 PM
I also have Pluto square my Nodal Axis. It seems like my South Node is my resolution Node, but I am not quite sure how it will work out in my case... Can you please provide me some information on my planetary position. I have Pluto in Scorpio 14.04 (12th house), North Node in Pisces 7.55 (4th house) and South Node in Virgo (10th house). I would be really grateful if you can explain how I should resolve my skipped karmic lessons through SN. Thank you.   

Hi Victoria12,

You do not have Pluto squaring your Nodes. Your Pluto is in fact making a trine to your N.Node, and a wide sextile to your S.Node.

God Bless, Rad

Hello Rad,

Thank you for replying to my post. It's really nice to hear that I don't have that aspects, it seemed like a difficult to to handle one, whew. On the other hand, Pluto trine N.Node seems like a good one :D..., I need to check it out,
I am new to astrology, so I make mistakes  :), thank you for clearing it up for me.

God bless you too,
Victoria

Deva,

can you please give me some input on the transit of Pluto sqaure the nodes?

Thanks Joey

     Hi, Joey. In a general sense, a Pluto transit that squares the natal nodal axis correlates to a time frame in which the Soul is recovering a "skipped step" in order for evolution to proceed (any planet square the nodal axis reflects a skipped step from an evolutionary point of view). The skipped step pertains to  both the South and North Nodes because the Soul has attempted to avoid resolving dynamics of the evolutionary past (South Node) by "jumping to" to dynamics of the evolutionary future (North Node). This process is intensified to its maximum point as Pluto represents the Soul and it's ongoing metamorphic process (we usually experience the "darkest of the dark" and the "lightest of the light" so to speak during a Pluto transit).
     The skipped step that is being recovered at the time of the transit is reflected in the house and sign of transiting Pluto and the natal nodal axis. It is important to note that we must interpret any transit in the context of the core evolutionary/karmic intentions of the birth chart (the foundation of the birth chart is symbolized by: Pluto's natal position by house and sign, Pluto's polarity point, the lunar nodes and their respective rulers).
    The core themes described in Pluto vol 1 written by JWG about the core evolutionary intentions/meaning of natal Pluto square the nodal axis are the same as a transit of Pluto square the nodal axis.  It may be helpful to reread this section of Pluto 1 to help understand the transit. The difference between a transit and the natal chart is that a transit reflects a specific "time frame" or period of time in which core themes become a central focus in the Soul's evolutionary journey for the duration of the transit. The natal chart reflects central/core dynamics that will be prevalent through out the entire life. Again, to correctly interpret any transit we must use the natal chart as it provides the necessary context for understanding the specific meaning/intentions of transit. Please feel free to ask if you need clarification about anything I have written or have further questions.

Namaste

Deva

Hi Everybody,

I'm new to the message board forum and this thread has been extremely helpful as I had the same mental difficulty to grasp the last P/Node conjunction as Dhyana!! Thank you for that visual and for all the other insight!!

I read with interest this topic as I have Pluto transit square my NN now and will have the transit for the next 3 years with 5 passes over the NN. The last transit conjunction to Pluto was from NN. My NN is conjunct IC, Jupiter and Neptune in that order. So a lot going on. What can I expect from all this and what work can I do to embrace the challenges and changes this transit will inevitably bring? 

Hi,

Just about your post there is a fixed thread that says 'if this is your first visit here' ... when clicked on it reveals this:

3) Policy on personal chart interpretation and analysis:
The message board is here to teach the principles of EA through example.   What is posted here is meant to be of general interest to all of our readers.   Individual analysis of your chart from a personal point of view is of interest mainly to you and not to most other readers.  Thus posting personal charts and asking for analysis or feedback on your chart is not appropriate here.  Asking questions about or posting your chart as an example of EA principles that will be of interest to many readers is acceptable. 
   At times there can be a fine line between what is of personal interest and what is of general interest.  Our moderators reserve the right to remove or to request that you remove any material posted they feel is personal chart interpretation.
  We have a number of qualified Evolutionary Astrologers associated with our school and this message board.  A more appropriate place for personal chart interpretation questions is a private reading with one of them.

God Bless, Rad (moderator)

Quote from: Deva on Dec 19, 2015, 02:33 PM
     [Pluto square nodal axis] transit reflects a specific "time frame" or period of time in which core themes become a central focus in the Soul's evolutionary journey for the duration of the transit.

Hello. If Pluto transited the south/north node in the lifetime, would its transit squaring the nodal axis then allow for a relatively conscious revisit to the core evolutionary themes experienced at the time of the conjunct? like, would the soul recall the "memory" of that conjunction somehow, reinforce its desire, and turn to the ruler of the south/north node and its aspects to elucidate? which could then be further clarified by the ruler of the opposing node and its aspects?

and if Pluto is natally conjunct south/north node, would the squaring transit offer a very necessary for evolution polarity point to the equation? giving like a turbocharged opportunity for the soul to evolve?

Yes, all this is possible because this correlates to the archetypal intent of the symbols you are asking about.

So, regarding the soul's two desires:
 
1) the wish to unify with source would mean that an earthly incarnation is in itself "thwarting" the soul's archetypal intent? and the square to the nodal axis, natal or otherwise, shows the security synthesis necessary to relatively free the soul to return to source, or at least to subjectively meet head-on the natural laws of resistance?;

2) the desire to separate from source would need to exist prior to incarnating on Earth, that is, a magnetic attraction (fall) to a 3-D (or any dimension for that matter) existence? what purpose would this serve other than to reinforce free will and the option of recognizing the negating force?;

3) would then Pluto squaring the nodal axis (natal unfolding over the life span; transit concentrating) offer a bird's eye view of how far we've strayed? with any "uniform or cataclysmic" evolutionary events being equidistant to the resistance experienced, which would also support resistivity laws, yes?

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The nature of the dual desires, to separate and return, simply correlate with the ongoing evolutionary journey of all Souls. The evolutionary intent is to exhaust all those separating desires over lifetimes to the exclusion of the desire to unite with the Source of itself. This has nothing to do with thwarting anything. The separating desires correlate to resistance to the desire to unite with the Source.  The purpose of the separating desires is for all Souls to realize what the ultimate purpose is so that a sense of total meaning, a meaning for what the Manifest Creation is, is realized that can not be changed. Temporary meaning can occur via the separating desires that leads to a loss of that meaning as the desires themselves become exhausted leading to the only desire that can create that ultimate sense of meaning. The purpose of any planet squaring the Nodes is to realize that the Soul has 'skipped steps' in it's ongoing evolutionary journey back to the Source that has created it in the first place. The intent within that is to recover those skipped steps so that the journey can continue, and to realize what the inner causes are that have lead to those skipped steps.

I see. I'll study your answer. Thank you.

Would temporary meaning occur only during a phase from one evolutionary stage to another or can it occur anytime? Can you give an example of temporary meaning?

A condensed version of my question is through learning the skipped steps, can the soul become aware of itself and its separation?

Would temporary meaning occur only during a phase from one evolutionary stage to another or can it occur anytime? Can you give an example of temporary meaning?

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A person has a desire for something like a new car, a new career position, etc, etc, etc and when obtained has a sense of meaning/ satisfaction that is temporary because of other desires of a separating nature manifesting at another time. The new career position after a certain amount of time looses it's meaning, the new car becomes old which creates yet another desire for another, new car, and so on.

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A condensed version of my question is through learning the skipped steps, can the soul become aware of itself and its separation?

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Yes

I see; temporary meaning = satisfying the desire, in either direction. Fascinating...

Thanks for your time, Rad--consider my mind blown.

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