Hi Rad and everyone,
What are the synastry aspects that correlate to definite past life contacts with others? We meet thousands of people throughout our lives, and I'm sure there are many synastrical contacts between our charts.....and obviously we don't have special relationships with all of these souls/people, just some of them. Is there an aspect or aspects that specifically correlates to past life contacts with others? I'm thinking Pluto and the Nodes, because I have personally found those points correlate to important relationships in this life....but not always.
Thanks.
Hi Linda,
You'll find this info on pg 18, Pluto 2
Hi Upasika,
Thanks for your assistance.
Quote from JWG, Pluto II, page 17:
In synastry charts, the location by house and sign of the planetary rulers of the South and North Nodes in one another's charts correlates with additional and specific past life dynamics (the South Node by house and sign, plus its planetary ruler by house and sign) that we may have shared with another that constitutes subconscious memory associations conditioning our response or reaction to that person, and the North Node by its house and sign location, plus its planetary ruler by house and sign location, that reflect how the next evolutionary step in this life is to be accomplished.
The key aspects and dynamics to look for that will give a complete and total analysis involve the SN, SN ruler, NN, NN ruler, and Pluto. These are described in more detail on page 18, Pluto II.
Linda,
This is a great topic and one I´m also interested in. One thing to look for are planets conjunct the nodes via synastry and composite.
When looking into my relationships of all sorts I tend to find many South node contacts to personal planets. One that comes up quite often in composites is the Moon conjunct the S.node and it does tend to create an emotional bond and magnetic attraction quite easily between two people. A familiar feeling that can be observed and felt by both people. You know that typical sentence... " I just met you and feel like I have known you all my life" generally accompanies such an aspect.
Venus conjunct the S.node can indicate a romantic type of connection in the past and then there will be the typical rules: Relive, Fruition or both when there is this type of aspect to the S.node. Just look at your own past and current relationships and I´m pretty confident you will find some type of aspects to the nodes that when you look at the configurations, will find them quite "enlightening" as they can be pretty accurate describing some of the relationship dynamics.
I can give you a brief example of my own. In a composite with a person that I have a nice, easy going, work relationship with, we have composite Venus in the sixth house conjunct the south node of the Moon. We instantly became friends and feel the harmonious connection. Seems to be re-playing itself again in this life!
Fascinating stuff!
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Quote from JWG, Pluto II, page 17:
In synastry charts, the location by house and sign of the planetary rulers of the South and North Nodes in one another's charts correlates with additional and specific past life dynamics (the South Node by house and sign, plus its planetary ruler by house and sign) that we may have shared with another that constitutes subconscious memory associations conditioning our response or reaction to that person, and the North Node by its house and sign location, plus its planetary ruler by house and sign location, that reflect how the next evolutionary step in this life is to be accomplished.
Wanted to add- I've noticed, an overwhelming number of times- nodal reversals in synastry (ie nn of one soul conjunct the sn of the other).
My understanding of that:
In a conscious relationship where each soul is progressing in their own dharma, this is an amazing dynamic as each soul, by default, supports the other in their own path. In a relationship where there is a strong mutual resistance to change, I've noticed that each soul easily acts as an emotional trigger to the other. Reading that in the context of pl can go either way as well it seems.
am
Hi Skywalker and Ari,
I have a past life contact: his SN is tightly conjunct my Pluto! That is really powerful. According to Rad, this type of connection means that we've been repeating the same dynamics for many lifetimes, and I really feel that is so.
Examining SN contacts to personal planets (either way) has been most enlightening. Yes, really fascinating!
It might be a good learning experience if a few of us looked through our charts, and our family members charts, and then typed up a short analysis of what we think the SN NN PLuto contacts mean --our own analysis to check our understanding --to see if we are on the right track? Moderators, is this ok? In my opinion, it would be a very good learning experience and a lot of clients want this kind of info too
this way we will know if we are analysing it correctly?
FOr example, Ari was talking about his nephew -- wouldnt it be interesting to see what past life contact Ari and his nephew have had?
WHat do you think, Ari? Maybe looking at that can help Ari find out what role would be best to take with his nephew now, and which would get them stuck in the past way of relating....
...(just an example idea)
Hope to hear a response to this idea...
thanks
dhyana
ps. we certainly do not have to get into all the details (about what roles are best to take with eachother etc , as I mentioned w/ ari/nephew) ...just general analysis, to see if we are on the right track~
John's Venus conjunct Yoko's South Node
JOHN LENNON AND YOKO ONO'S CHARTS:
I have studied that when Venus conjuncts other person's South Node when they meet intitially there is a feeling of intstant resonance with the person and powerful feelings of needing to be with them. Then, because there is a SN element, over time, the difficulties and challenges begin that often pull them apart...(obvious in this case with John and Yoko) -- the one who has the SN position may begin to feel like they are outgrowing the Venus person -or they feel compelled to move on --interesting huh?.
Well, I know very little about this synastry sort of thing and past connections- so I dont really know how to read into past lives here...
I do find this much quite interesting --it is interesting that it is Yoko's SN that John's Venus conjuncts. .. as if somehow he had to leave the way he did in order for her to grow, perhaps? And it seems that after his death, his music (Venus) and message had even more meaning for the masses (12th PIsces). And this was brought forth, in many ways, through Yoko herself (her LIbra Asc).
His Venus at 3 degrees, her SN at 8 degrees (5 degree orb)-and interestingly her SN is in the 12th house - "undoing" --giving/surrendering back to Source-- her Neptine is there too, in the 12th at 9 degrees Virgo (a 6 dgree orb from his Venus)
All of this going on in Virgo may imply some martyr type belief, however?? But also "service" to the collective (12th in Virgo).
We also find Mercury, the ruler of Yoko's 12th, in Pisces -- for JOhn, Pisces is on the his 12th house --so we have Yoko's SN ruler in his 12th house!
Lot's of 12th house SN connections here....
Does anyone want to comment on the Virgo/Pisces 6th house/12th house -- archetypes at play here
-not to mention her Neptune within a 10 degree orb of Johns Venus?
Thanks for posting these Linda. It is a good couple to work with. I'd love to hear from others what they see here as far as past life connections?
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(added a few minutes later)
In pondering about all the 12th house energy here with John and Yoko -and the pair did leave the iconic legacy that has that certain spiritual, transcending time kind of feel to them as a couple
the music has an element of opening up the collective consciousness and indeed has touched the masses (Pisces/Venus-music) .. opening the hearts and minds of many~
Dhyana
Also, her Pluto is in Johns 4th house (Cancer)-- and the ruler of her Pluto, the moon, is in Sag which would put that moon in his 8th house.
-- Perhaps there was a past life mother/child connection and the child died/loss (8th house), before thier time. Could it be something along these lines? ??? If so, I wouldnt know who was the child and who was the mother though????? ???
John and Yoko Synastry (John in middle)
(http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/arimoshe/yokoandjohnsynastry.jpg)
Composite chart
(http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp255/arimoshe/yokoandjohncomposite.jpg)
Hi Linda, Dhyana, All
Linda, thanks for starting this thread. I don't have anything to add to the John/Yoko discussion as I'm too new to this area. But I did have a couple of questions:
Is there any significance, from a past life perspective, when one person's house cusps conjunct another person's nodal axis? (or conjunct the other's nodal ruler?)
Can it be said that there have been past life connections between oneself and a "famous" person when there are the connections discussed so far - planet/node connections in synastry charts?
Thanks,
Ellen
Hi all,
Good idea to look at some examples. The Neptune Pisces connection is very strong here. God look at the composite! NN in Sag in the 12th, squaring Saturn in Pisces, Neptune in the 9th.
JWG taught that in synastry each soul plays out the planet from their own chart. In this case she is the sn Neptune in Virgo, he is the Venus. What does that, as a general correlation point to? She representing a higher ideal, a symbol that he was attracted to. Inherent in that is the Neptunian over-idealization. This is a perfect example of the Libra Pisces connection that is very important in looking at synstary and composite charts. The tendency to make a partner a defacto god/goddess.
Ellen, here are my thoughts on your questions. The fact that two souls are in relationship to one another is what provides the basis for any kind of astrology reading for them in the first place. We all have synastry with Obama, doesn't mean we have any particular past life connection with him. However such synastry (planets on a sn and the likes) can correlate to a particular resonance one may feel with a famous person. Allan Watts for example- I don't suspect me and him have any past life connections, however his AC is conjunct my sn and Jupiter, and I have always felt very resonant with him. It may be that there has been a long history of us connecting in such a way- impersonally, yet still sharing a synastry.
Ari Moshe
Hi Ari
Quote from: ari moshe on Dec 15, 2010, 08:59 PM
Wanted to add- I've noticed, an overwhelming number of times- nodal reversals in synastry (ie nn of one soul conjunct the sn of the other).
My understanding of that:
In a conscious relationship where each soul is progressing in their own dharma, this is an amazing dynamic as each soul, by default, supports the other in their own path. In a relationship where there is a strong mutual resistance to change, I've noticed that each soul easily acts as an emotional trigger to the other. Reading that in the context of pl can go either way as well it seems.
am
I wanted to add to what you wrote (which I agree with) that I call this a nodal opposition. My symbol for it is the one person is going where the other person habitually comes from.
All humans resist movement towards our NN. Thus picking a partner whose SN conjuncts my NN means where I am going is in my face through the vehicle of the partner all the time, the person literally being a mirror. It's not easy to live with. However, if they can both recognize what is going on and learn to embrace it, as you said the potential for a lot of growth is high. It would take a commitment to understanding why they are together, and to sticking through it.
That opposition also makes mutual projections an ongoing issue, as disowned shadow parts of each one are acted out by the other. Truly "in your face".
Steve
Quote from: Steve on Dec 19, 2010, 09:44 AM
Hi Ari
Quote from: ari moshe on Dec 15, 2010, 08:59 PM
Wanted to add- I've noticed, an overwhelming number of times- nodal reversals in synastry (ie nn of one soul conjunct the sn of the other).
My understanding of that:
In a conscious relationship where each soul is progressing in their own dharma, this is an amazing dynamic as each soul, by default, supports the other in their own path. In a relationship where there is a strong mutual resistance to change, I've noticed that each soul easily acts as an emotional trigger to the other. Reading that in the context of pl can go either way as well it seems.
am
I wanted to add to what you wrote (which I agree with) that I call this a nodal opposition. My symbol for it is the one person is going where the other person habitually comes from.
All humans resist movement towards our NN. Thus picking a partner whose SN conjuncts my NN means where I am going is in my face through the vehicle of the partner all the time, the person literally being a mirror. It's not easy to live with. However, if they can both recognize what is going on and learn to embrace it, as you said the potential for a lot of growth is high. It would take a commitment to understanding why they are together, and to sticking through it.
That opposition also makes mutual projections an ongoing issue, as disowned shadow parts of each one are acted out by the other. Truly "in your face".
Steve
Hi Steve,
Wouldnt this apply to the nodes in the houses, even if the sign of the houses were different? I would have to say it does -- bc, for example, I have a 9th house SN and my husband has a 9th house NN. Of course the signs are different but not the houses. And the literal "in your face every day" is quite true for us.
.... lol- i think i answered my own question ;)
Quote from: ari moshe on Dec 19, 2010, 01:26 AM
Ellen, here are my thoughts on your questions. The fact that two souls are in relationship to one another is what provides the basis for any kind of astrology reading for them in the first place. We all have synastry with Obama, doesn't mean we have any particular past life connection with him. However such synastry (planets on a sn and the likes) can correlate to a particular resonance one may feel with a famous person. Allan Watts for example- I don't suspect me and him have any past life connections, however his AC is conjunct my sn and Jupiter, and I have always felt very resonant with him. It may be that there has been a long history of us connecting in such a way- impersonally, yet still sharing a synastry.
Ari Moshe
Thanks, Ari. Light bulb with regard to what I highlighted. Sometimes the basics can just escape me! So the charts, randomly speaking, can't tell us who will connect and who won't, and who has past life connections and who doesn't. Only the fact that 2 people do connect up can tell us that they will connect up (!) and only then can we discern anything about past life connections by looking at the indicators in the chart. Would you say that this is correct?
With regard to house cusps and nodes conjuncting in synastry charts, what is the significance of this (between 2 people who are in fact in a relationship in this lifetime)? Any thoughts? I mean, any past life correlations with something like this going on?
Thanks and Peace,
Ellen
Hi Dhyana,
QuoteI have studied that when Venus conjuncts other person's South Node when they meet intitially there is a feeling of intstant resonance with the person and powerful feelings of needing to be with them. Then, because there is a SN element, over time, the difficulties and challenges begin that often pull them apart...(obvious in this case with John and Yoko) -- the one who has the SN position may begin to feel like they are outgrowing the Venus person -or they feel compelled to move on --interesting huh?.
I wanted to comment on this. What you wrote is an oversimplification of that dynamic. It does not necessarily have to turn out that way. In synastry and composite, the south node can manifest as it always does- in 1 of 3 possible conditions. I've seen a good number of healthy relationships between souls who have strong sn/planet synastry.
Ari Moshe
Hi Dhyana,
QuoteWouldnt this apply to the nodes in the houses, even if the sign of the houses were different? I would have to say it does -- bc, for example, I have a 9th house SN and my husband has a 9th house NN. Of course the signs are different but not the houses. And the literal "in your face every day" is quite true for us.
I know you asked Steve- though I wanted to share my intuition on this bc I'm aware of the 2 charts are you speaking of.
I don't think this is true. It's necessary in synastry to determine the aspects that the nodes of one create with the other's chart. And also to determine where one's nodes falls in the other's chart. So your husband has a 9th house north node, however where does his north node fall in your chart, and what kind of aspects does it create? I see that your husband's south node falls on your 8th house cusp conjunct your 7th house Virgo Stellium of Mars Uranus and Pluto. That to me sheds some light on the "in your face" dynamic. In fact Mars=head. ;)
Ari Moshe
Quote from: ari moshe on Dec 19, 2010, 12:12 PM
Hi Dhyana,
QuoteWouldnt this apply to the nodes in the houses, even if the sign of the houses were different? I would have to say it does -- bc, for example, I have a 9th house SN and my husband has a 9th house NN. Of course the signs are different but not the houses. And the literal "in your face every day" is quite true for us.
I know you asked Steve- though I wanted to share my intuition on this bc I'm aware of the 2 charts are you speaking of.
I don't think this is true. It's necessary in synastry to determine the aspects that the nodes of one create with the other's chart. And also to determine where one's nodes falls in the other's chart. So your husband has a 9th house north node, however where does his north node fall in your chart, and what kind of aspects does it create? I see that your husband's south node falls on your 8th house cusp conjunct your 7th house Virgo Stellium of Mars Uranus and Pluto. That to me sheds some light on the "in your face" dynamic. In fact Mars=head. ;)
Ari Moshe
Thank goodness we have you Ari !!! YOu always seem to shed the needed clarity and insight. That would make a lot of sense within the synastry bc synastry uses the "signs" to find out where the planets/nodes land in the others chart.
I have noticed that my SN, Mercury and Neptune fall in my husbands 4th house. This, to me denotes "family" past life connections, while his SN in my 7/8th, denotes "partnership" relationships. I get confused here as far as trying to look inot past life roles in relationship. FOr it looks like, with my SN in his 4th, my soul would have had a parental type role -- where as his SN on my 7/8th, plus his Pluto in my 7th, his soul would have had an "intimate partner" role??? Any more thoughts?
Quote from: ari moshe on Dec 19, 2010, 12:06 PM
Hi Dhyana,
QuoteI have studied that when Venus conjuncts other person's South Node when they meet intitially there is a feeling of intstant resonance with the person and powerful feelings of needing to be with them. Then, because there is a SN element, over time, the difficulties and challenges begin that often pull them apart...(obvious in this case with John and Yoko) -- the one who has the SN position may begin to feel like they are outgrowing the Venus person -or they feel compelled to move on --interesting huh?.
I wanted to comment on this. What you wrote is an oversimplification of that dynamic. It does not necessarily have to turn out that way. In synastry and composite, the south node can manifest as it always does- in 1 of 3 possible conditions. I've seen a good number of healthy relationships between souls who have strong sn/planet synastry.
Ari Moshe
Last night, after I re-read what I wrote, I was going to add to that part I wrote above, something very similar to what you wrote, Ari. Explaining that the Venus SN connection is not limited to what I had written there, but I didnt get to it. So I am very pleased you commented on it already.
Thanks again Ari, for all your clear, thorough and insightful contributions on this board!
D.
Ari and Dhyana
Quote from: ari moshe on Dec 19, 2010, 12:12 PM
QuoteWouldnt this apply to the nodes in the houses, even if the sign of the houses were different? I would have to say it does -- bc, for example, I have a 9th house SN and my husband has a 9th house NN. Of course the signs are different but not the houses. And the literal "in your face every day" is quite true for us.
I don't think this is true. It's necessary in synastry to determine the aspects that the nodes of one create with the other's chart. And also to determine where one's nodes falls in the other's chart. So your husband has a 9th house north node, however where does his north node fall in your chart, and what kind of aspects does it create? I see that your husband's south node falls on your 8th house cusp conjunct your 7th house Virgo Stellium of Mars Uranus and Pluto. That to me sheds some light on the "in your face" dynamic. In fact Mars=head. ;)
Ari Moshe
Although he never wrote about it, Jeffrey mentioned on a few occasions something called "shared affinities", which is what you, Dhyana, are referring to. He mentioned that it is a very valid part of older astrology that has pretty much been forgotten in the present time.
I once made a PDF of a long article from about.com on this subject. Looking at it now I see I only captured the first page. And the article is no longer on the web. I am pasting what I have in here. (The disclaimer is this article is not from or about EA but regular astrology. You have to add the EA perspective to what is written here, starting with "why is this necessary in these lives?":
QuoteShared Affinities in Astrology
(Where Synastry Comparisons and Composites Leave Off)
Have you ever compared the charts of two romantic lovers - and, in the end, you were somewhat stymied, stumped and basically bewildered as to what the attraction between the two people might be?
Then my suggestion would be to look for "shared" affinities in the birth chart. Shared affinities say: "Don't I Know You?" Shared affinities say: "We've been dealing with the same "stuff" all our lives"¦"
What's A Shared Affinity?
Okay... Here's an example of an affinity... the birth Sun placed in the sign of Aquarius is similar in energy to the birth Sun in aspect to the birth Uranus. Both of these energies are similar to the birth Sun placed in the birth 11th house.
Extending it, they're also similar to Uranus in Leo and Uranus in the 5th house. Some astrologers go as far as using the formula: Sun in Aquarius = Sun aspect Uranus = Sun in the 11th House = Uranus in Leo = Uranus in the 5th house. Sun in Scorpio
While I don't take it quite that far - the energies (and resulting life task issues) are most definitely similar. And for simplicity sake - I'll be using this formula in subsequent examples.
You And Me Against the World
If two people share one of these affinities (similar energies) - the shared affinity says that these two people have experienced and are working through some of the same core, life task issues. And that's the bond! Shared affinities shout out: "Hey! I know you! We've been dealing with the same "stuff" all our lives"¦"
Example Of A Uranian Shared Affinity:
First"¦ here's the Formula:
A. Sun in Aquarius = Sun aspect Uranus = Sun in the 11th House = Uranus in Leo = Uranus in the 5th house
B. Moon in Aquarius = Moon aspect Uranus = Moon in the 11th House = Uranus in Cancer = Uranus in the 4th house
She has the Sun conjunct Uranus, and she also has the Sun in the 11th house. He has the Sun trine Uranus. This is a shared affinity between the two people.
She has the Moon conjunct Uranus, she has Uranus in Cancer, and she also has the Moon in the 11th house. He has the Moon sextile Uranus, and he also has Uranus in Cancer. This is a shared affinity between the two people.
These two people are dealing with the same life task issues encircling the archetypal energy of Uranus and "independence, freedom, excitement."
Okay now"¦ would this "shared affinity thing" be a wee bit more convincing if I further told you that every "life-changing She" this guy has been "involved with" - the "life-changing She" has had the Sun in aspect to Uranus (and most had their Moon in aspect to Uranus)?
Look for shared affinities. They can be quite a powerful and binding attraction between two people
Here is another longer non-EA article on shared affinities that seems to include what I pasted in above: http://thezodiac.com/room.htm
I can say from my experiences both personal and with clients I've seen a lot of validation of this principle. We are talking about Soul Resonance, Souls who are constructed with similar, or complementary, natures. You can think of it as notes in a chord. Some naturally harmonize, others will always be dissonant. This goes well beyond past life contact. Its about vibrational frequency as God/dess created a Soul. That can never change, its the way they are naturally created. Its far beyond conditioning, which only gets in the way of what is naturally there.
Steve
I second what Steve is sharing about affinities. Traditionally a Scorpio Sun will not be so compatible with an Aquarius but when that Scorpio Sun is conjunct Uranus, then there will be an Uranian overlay that can create a mutual understanding as their is a similarity in their basic expression. In this case they share a natural objective nature which can of course create empathy.
On the other hand a Scorpio will always be a Scorpio and it doesn´t deny the natural Square between Aquarius and Scorpio.
Thanks Steve, for the information. I understand a bit more now.
Dhyana