Hi Rad,
I have just drawn up the Planetary Nodes charts for a group of 10 people, and about half of them have the SN/NNs of Mars in the same signs, Sag/Aries (as well as other planets with the same SN/NN signs). Does this specifically mean that these Souls have all been together before during the corresponding Astrological Ages of Sag/Aries, Sub-Ages of Sag/Aries, as well as historical cycles and events correlating with Mars/Jupiter?
Could we say that these people have past life connections with each other individually, or even as a group?.....or perhaps that they lived through those corresponding periods (but not necessarily personally knew each other)....and would the SN/NNs of Mars need to be the EXACT deg for all of them to be considered a past-life group connection?
Mars means the conscious awareness and initiatory energy behind the desires that emanate from the Soul, as well as the traditional meanings, courage, will, leadership, initiation.....etc. How would we interpret Mars in a group of people by looking at the planetary nodes? Would we need to then look at Uranus/11th house to ascertain a group connection?
Thanks.
Quote from: Linda on Dec 07, 2010, 01:23 PM
I have just drawn up the Planetary Nodes charts for a group of 10 people, and about half of them have the SN/NNs of Mars in the same signs, Sag/Aries (as well as other planets with the same SN/NN signs). Does this specifically mean that these Souls have all been together before during the corresponding Astrological Ages of Sag/Aries, Sub-Ages of Sag/Aries, as well as historical cycles and events correlating with Mars/Jupiter?
Could we say that these people have past life connections with each other individually, or even as a group?.....or perhaps that they lived through those corresponding periods (but not necessarily personally knew each other)....and would the SN/NNs of Mars need to be the EXACT deg for all of them to be considered a past-life group connection?
Mars means the conscious awareness and initiatory energy behind the desires that emanate from the Soul, as well as the traditional meanings, courage, will, leadership, initiation.....etc. How would we interpret Mars in a group of people by looking at the planetary nodes? Would we need to then look at Uranus/11th house to ascertain a group connection?
Hi Linda
Just wanted to quote this from a recent Rad post on this page about planetary nodes
https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,324.15.html
QuoteWhat is really incredible when you start to think about it is that the Nodes of Mars also takes 24,000 year for them to move through all the signs in the zodiac. They spend about 4,000 years in three signs, then another 3 signs for another 4,000 years, etc. For example, the S.Nodes of Mars since 500 A.D. have been in Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius depending on the time of year, in any given year. And, the N.Nodes are Aries, Taurus, and Gemini. This will remain in those signs until 4,300 A.D. So there are two things to ponder in this. One is the fact that, as we know, the lower octave of Pluto is Mars of course. Pluto is the underlying natural law of evolution for all things, including humans. And Mars instinctually acts out those evolutionary imperatives through the various forms of life, including human.
So the questions become why does Mars stay in three signs and their polarities, in any given year, for over 4,000 years ? What is the symbolism for collective and individual evolution here ? The meaning of it ? And of course the phenomena of the 24,000 year cycle of an astrological age with both the Nodes of Pluto and Mars taking that amount of time to go through all twelve signs in the zodiac ?
My point is, when the nodes of Mars stay in 3 signs for 4,000 years, I clearly don't know from past lives everyone I meet in this life with the south node of Mars in the same sign as mine. I'd say that is more generational, even though Mars is considered to be a personal planet. To me that has something to do with Mars being the lower octave of Pluto, where it is mirroring a Soul condition into our consciousness.
I found your questions very good. Just wanted to add that piece. And will wait to see what Rad adds.
Steve
Hi Linda,
The best way to understand this is to understand something that JWG wrote in his first Pluto book when he talked about how the dual desire nature of the Soul, the desires to separate and return, manifest with Pluto in any given sign. What sign that Pluto is in will correlate to, obviously, millions of people who have the same sign that Pluto is in. This is generational of course. And each generation has it's own polarity point that symbolizes the ongoing evolutionary intentions for the planet as symbolized in the generations of Souls that share the same sign, and it's polarity point. Yet, at the same time, the whole of a generation is comprised of individuals who all have their own evolutionary journey, and intentions, within the generation that they are born within. Relative to the dual desire nature of the Soul it is the generational context that then serves to ignite the desire to 'separate' from that generation that allows for the Soul's discovery of it's own unique and individual nature, it's own individual evolutionary journey.
For example, a Soul can have Pluto in Libra in the 5th House. Obviously millions of others also have Pluto in Libra. The individuals Soul's natural polarity point of course is the 11th House, and Aries. So this would mean that all the other Souls who have Pluto in Libra would land, via synastry, in the individuals 5th House. Because of the dual desire nature within the Soul this then ignites or causes the individual with that 5th House Pluto in Libra to 'separate' from that generational context in order to actualize it's own sense of individual identity. Thus, by igniting that desire to separate in this generational context it has the affect of stimulating the natural polarity point, the 11th House and Aries, for this Soul who has it's natal Pluto in Libra in the 5th House.
The Soul is born into this generational context that is shared by millions of other Souls. Obviously, the vast majority of all those Souls within the same generation have not known one another personally. On the other hand, we do of course make personal connections to others within our generational context. Astrological methods exist of course that inform us of how to determine these personal connections within that generational context.
In the very same way this is how we need to understand the planetary nodes. Millions can have the S.Node of Mars in Scorpio for example. This correlates, as does any of the signs that the planetary nodes can be in, to time frames in the past, the archetypal meanings of, that all those Souls who have the same signs, i.e. S.Node of Mars in Scorpio share. And because of this there is a natural commonality between such Souls in general: the structure of their consciousness and why. As Wolf used to teach it takes more than one Soul to accomplish the evolutionary intentions of the planets, the species. Yet, within this common sharing all Souls do make their own personal connections to others.
To know whom we have made those prior life personal connections too, relative to the planetary nodes, like with Pluto in the signs, we must employ the astrological methods of synastry to know who they are. So it is then a combination of the generational context, and our individual relationships within that, that both have the affect and intent of igniting each individual Soul's ongoing evolutionary intentions.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you Rad and Steve. Your responses were very helpful.
Rad,
Using SN Mars in Sagittarius as an example, could you please clarify that the Soul:
* lived (or resonates with) past lifetimes during the Age of Aries and Sub-Ages of Aries?
* lived (or resonates with) past lifetimes during the Age of Sagittarius or Sub-Ages of Sagittarius?
* lived (or resonates with) past lifetimes during BOTH Ages of Aries/Sag and their Sub-Ages?
Or can "past lives" only be ascertained from the outer planets and their planetary Nodes, i.e. Uranus, Neptune, Pluto?
JWG Quote from "Pluto in Sagittarius":
From the point of view of past lifetimes and evolution it is remarkable that almost all people on the planet today have their South Nodes of the planets Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto in Capricorn, with, of course, their North Nodes in Cancer. And that almost all of us have the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius and the North Node in Leo, and the South Node of Uranus in Sagittarius, with its North Node in Gemini. What does this mean ? It means that almost all the people on the planet today have had past lifetimes exactly when the original matriarchy was in place, South Node of Neptune in Aquarius, and lifetimes when the transition between the matriarchy and patriarchy began and picked up momentum: the South Nodes of Saturn, Jupiter, and Pluto (the collective and individual Soul structure) in Capricorn. With the South Node of Uranus in Sagittarius for most of us this means that most of us have lived at least a few lives within tribes, cultures, or societies that were defined by natural laws.
Besides the Astrological Ages, in terms of past lives, what would these archetypes correlate to?
Pluto/Scorpio ?
Neptune/Pisces ?
Aquarius/Uranus = Natural Law/Matriarchy
Sagittarius/Jupiter = Natural Law/Matriarchy
Saturn/Capricorn = Patriarchy
Mars/Aries ?
Venus/Taurus/Libra ?
Mercury/Virgo/Aries ?
Leo ?
Many thanks.
Hi Linda,
Quote from: Linda on Dec 08, 2010, 03:19 PM
Rad,
Using SN Mars in Sagittarius as an example, could you please clarify that the Soul:
* lived (or resonates with) past lifetimes during the Age of Aries and Sub-Ages of Aries?
* lived (or resonates with) past lifetimes during the Age of Sagittarius or Sub-Ages of Sagittarius?
* lived (or resonates with) past lifetimes during BOTH Ages of Aries/Sag and their Sub-Ages?
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Yes to all.
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Or can "past lives" only be ascertained from the outer planets and their planetary Nodes, i.e. Uranus, Neptune, Pluto?
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The prior lives of the Soul, the dynamics involved, can be ascertained by the entire chart, minus the current life Sun.
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JWG Quote from "Pluto in Sagittarius":
From the point of view of past lifetimes and evolution it is remarkable that almost all people on the planet today have their South Nodes of the planets Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto in Capricorn, with, of course, their North Nodes in Cancer. And that almost all of us have the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius and the North Node in Leo, and the South Node of Uranus in Sagittarius, with its North Node in Gemini. What does this mean ? It means that almost all the people on the planet today have had past lifetimes exactly when the original matriarchy was in place, South Node of Neptune in Aquarius, and lifetimes when the transition between the matriarchy and patriarchy began and picked up momentum: the South Nodes of Saturn, Jupiter, and Pluto (the collective and individual Soul structure) in Capricorn. With the South Node of Uranus in Sagittarius for most of us this means that most of us have lived at least a few lives within tribes, cultures, or societies that were defined by natural laws.
Besides the Astrological Ages, in terms of past lives, what would these archetypes correlate to?
Pluto/Scorpio ?
Neptune/Pisces ?
Aquarius/Uranus = Natural Law/Matriarchy
Sagittarius/Jupiter = Natural Law/Matriarchy
Saturn/Capricorn = Patriarchy
Mars/Aries ?
Venus/Taurus/Libra ?
Mercury/Virgo/Aries ?
Leo ?
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One needs to have a comprehensive knowledge of her/history all over the planet in order to understand the astrological correlations as above. When one employs the system of geodetic equivalents this also creates astrological 'zones' that cover the entire planet. For example, from 0 east to 30 correlates with an Aries zone. Yet each zone, relative to it's lead sign as in Aries, also has 3 other signs within it that correlate to the two signs that naturally square it, but also oppose it. So in the Aries zone this would include within it the signs Libra, Cancer, and Capricorn. When one also employs the Ages and their sub-ages this then correlates to specific points in time, and the signs that correlate to those times. This is like looking through a microscope that has different lenses of magnitude to induce a specific focus on something. There is much more to this but I think you can get the gist of how detailed it is to determine specific prior lives in time and place. This is why EA emphasizes the need to understand the dynamics involved in the prior lives of the Soul more than trying to determine specific times and places that the Soul has lived before.
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God Bless, Rad