Hi everyone,
I have a question about Yods or fingers of god. What orbs are used for this configuration? Ive read on here that 5 degrees are used? Also are there lunar nodes used in Yod configurations?
so to clarify, if one has jupiter at 22 aries, mars at 20 gemini and the moon in scorpio conjunct the north node at 15/16 degrees; would this be considered a YOD? If the nodes can be used, would the south node be considered a boomerang point?
another example would be Neptune at 13 sag, Pluto 11 libra and the south node in taurus at 15? would this put the north node at the boomerang point?
Also if anyone would like to add how this might manifest for the individual?
thanks for your support with this
Greg
Hi Greg,
I have a question about Yods or fingers of god. What orbs are used for this configuration? Ive read on here that 5 degrees are used? Also are there lunar nodes used in Yod configurations?
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Generally, JWG taught that 3 degrees is to be used in this configuration because of the triseptile aspects that start at either 154 degrees, waxing, or 206 degrees waning. Lunar nodes can be used in this configuration.
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so to clarify, if one has jupiter at 22 aries, mars at 20 gemini and the moon in scorpio conjunct the north node at 15/16 degrees; would this be considered a YOD? If the nodes can be used, would the south node be considered a boomerang point?
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No...but when the orbs are correct and the S.Node in that configuration can be considered the boomerang point.
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another example would be Neptune at 13 sag, Pluto 11 libra and the south node in taurus at 15? would this put the north node at the boomerang point?
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Relative to the orb issue Pluto and the S.Node would be a waxing triseptile: not an inconjunct. Neptune and the S.Node would be an inconjunct. The N.Node would be the boomerang point. I am including below a little extract on the Yod aspect pattern that comes from JWG relative to the use of triseptiles in the Yod aspect pattern.
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Also if anyone would like to add how this might manifest for the individual?
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As you know it is essential to know/ understand the whole of the birth chart and the EA paradigm within it that then establishes the exact individual context upon which the interpretations of any given symbol can be properly understood.
I am now supplying an extract from JWG when he lectured on aspects, and aspect patterns such as Yods, that correlates with the actual archetypes for Septiles, waxing and waning, Inconjuncts, waxing and waning, and Triseptiles, waxing and waning.
WAXING
60- Sextile: The process of consciously understanding the new evolutionary cycle and purpose occurs through contrast and comparison. The Soul must isolate itself from the impact of the external environment in order to realize and discover from within itself that which is uniquely new and individualistic. Action is now internalized as the Soul affects self-contemplation in contrast to focusing on the overall nature of external reality. The Soul can now understand the issues pertaining to the past, individually and collectively, and, in so doing, understand what experiences, methods, or skills to use to foster the development of the new evolutionary purpose in an individual way.
150- Inconjunct: This aspect brings either clarification or confusion regarding the individuals self-concept as it is identified in the original evolutionary intent. The individual is aware that there is something special to do in relation to the evolutionary intent, yet does not know how to link this purpose through service to the whole, or to others.
This aspect produces some form of crisis in order to induce analysis of what needs to be adjusted within the ego in order to establish the Soul's reality or purpose within the framework of the social environment. Humility must replace self-inflated or willful expression.
154- Triseptile: This aspect promotes clarification of the individuals self-concept and evolutionary purpose as it relates to the needs of others, the environment, or the whole. The necessary self-analysis that promoted a purging of self-inflated delusions of grandeur during the inconjunct aspect now evolves into an essential humility that allows the individual to prepare to integrate his or her purpose within the context of the social environment.
WANING
210- Inconjunct: The new social evolutionary purpose or intent serves to clarify the individual concept or awareness of personal and social limitations if what he or she can and cannot do, and of what is required of the individual by others in order that the social purpose may be expressed. If these limits are transgressed, then intense emotional confrontations will occur in order to reinforce this lesson in awareness. The waxing inconjunct induced personal humility. The waning inconjunct will induce social humility and purification.
206- Triseptile: The original purpose and individual meaning was given social meaning at the opposition. Now it is ready to cooperate with a social or collective need in a realized state.
300- Sextile: The new creative identity of the individual in relation to the cosmic whole is now given a productive purpose and understanding. In light of this, the individual can fulfill their universal and social role in this life. The transition between the past and the future can either be easily made or easily resisted at this evolutionary juncture.
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And here is a little extract from one of JWG's lectures on Yods that can help in understanding them.
YOD
This is another very problematic pattern, the double inconjunct linked with the sextile. This was originally called a "Finger of God". This implies a feeling of destiny; a trusting of the intuition so that when you come to the "y" in the road you would know which way to go. The deeper issue is that commonly people with this pattern experience tremendous frustration. The yod promotes a knowing, a vision, an awareness from on high that is not necessarily consciously defined.
It is like a telephone line inconjunct to God and receiving message that somehow seen utterly unrelated to your current circumstances or reality which then sets in motion this tremendous level of analysis in which you are now focusing on all the imperfections and lacks of your reality contrasted now with this vision from on high. So life always seems somehow less than right. It either leads to perpetual or transitory bitchiness, complaints, something's always wrong, or making crises where none need to exist. It can lead into negative self-concepts because, in their own evaluation, they cannot actualize the vision from on high.
The inconiuncts focus on the issue of humility, personal and social limitations. The person is now analyzing themselves mercilessly and now comparing themselves, full phase/gibbous phase, to the authority on high. Of course they are going to seem less than adequate. So they never feel quite ready to implement or actualize the vision from on high. It is always held in the head.
Audience: Since the yod contains stress, what is the relief?
Jeffrey: It creates a really highly tuned electrical system because it is so tight. The midpoint in the sextile/opposition point of the focus of the yod is called the boomerang point.
Audience: What does that do? Does it bring in more information from on high or does it....... ?
Jeffrey: The boomerang point, of itself, is never activated unless there is a planet at that midpoint, thus creating an opposition. If there is, then there is a natural coming and going, coming and going.
Audience: What if that is a person? Venus? As sort of the symbol of whom you choose to be with?
Jeffrey: Well, you can draw a partner who keeps throwing your shit back at you. Or they mirror your shit. At the same time, they can mirror your potential, and yet you are experiencing the frustration of not being able to achieve it.
Audience: It seems that the planet on the ends of those two inconjuncts is doubly stressed.
Jeffrey: Yes, but where that planet is manifesting by House and Sign is exactly the area where this vision on high is meant to be expressed. That is the point. Through that function or area. So, the solution of the yod is to realize that the path to perfection simply occurs through action, one step at a time. Clearly, this kind of pattern is emphasizing the evolutionary necessity for humility from an egocentric point of view.
Audience: So you are listening to God instead of yourself.
Jeffrey: Yes. What you are actually trying to do, from another point of view, is to shift the very center of gravity in your consciousness and that means in this kind of culture from the left brain to the right brain, from deductive logic to inductive logic, from empirical to intuitive.
Audience: If you have a septile instead of a sextile, is it still a yod?
Jeffrey: Technically, no. But, in the way I do astrology, yes. Technically, the answer is no, in reality, the answer is yes. The origin of boredom is God because boredom is that which over time leads us to understand and realize that which in never boring: union of our individual consciousness with the CONSCIOUSNESS that created it in the first place.
Audience: He wants you to be dissatisfied.
Jeffrey: God is not a he.
Audience: She wants you to be dissatisfied.
Jeffrey: God is not a she.
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God Bless, Rad
Thanks Rad thesis really useful. Ill return with some questions....:)
Hi Greg and Rad,
Thank you for discussion, I am interesting with the topic and like to share my observations, this is an true individual case.
In that individual chart, Venus is Gemini 13º in 12th house, Neptune in 7th house Capricorn 10 degree, Pluto in 5th house Scorpio 11 degree. As JWG taught, Yod relatives with crisis, this person has hearing problem because he don't want to hear when he was very young, for many years, he just don't know whether it is a problem of ear damage, or psychological block( eg, because he don't want to hear as a child, his brain cannot develop that ability). However, with Venus in Gemini 12th house, he has many many inner dialogues (or voice, music), and when he started to develop spiritual capacity, that inner dialogues help him to contact with the source.
Language( Venus in Gemini) is extraordinary important to him, he once accepted a teaching from a spiritual teacher, after read the guidance of the teacher, he fulfilled it almost immediately. I think this is because of Neptune in 7th house. Of course, in most time, the Yod brought him endless crisis and confusion—— endless crisis and sudden enlightenment.
The above contents are just my personal opinion, and I am not sure if it is correct, hope to learn from your further discussions.
Namaste
Hi Chengting,
Thanks for sharing that story: the symbols you identified perfectly reflect it.
God Bless, Rad