Without being alarmist, because many times global paranoia goes beyond reality.
Just to share this news, doesn't has to be that, but reading it make me think in the possibility of earth self regulate mechanism and it's sound pretty much like necessary change via catastrophic event.
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/science/china-co2-emissions-drop-coronavirus/amp
The Spanish Flu also happened towards the end of WW 1
Hola Sunya,
Thank you for bringing up this topic, as it has been a passion of mine for awhile. As a history enthusiast, ancient and geological history has been of great research for me. Planet Earth has numerous proxy signatures that speak to great catastrophic events over the millenniums, however modern day geology does not accept them, instead favoring Gradual Evolution. Yet, all homo sapiens seem to have an innate memory of catastrophe especially by flood and rapid devastation. And, yet, somehow, even though we've been knocked back to hunger-gatherer days, we seen to have survived, and then once again thrived. Maybe this is the correction loop of Mother Nature; every 12600 years, we get severely thrown back on ourselves. And most likely, every regrowth (or rebirth, as once the catastrophy hits, the earth, as once known, is instantlly destroyed, and a new chaotic world is born).
These cycles within cycles and their astrological indicators are proxy signatures for us astrologers to decipher. I would like to open a discussion of how the current Saturn in Capricorn conjunction with its own south node for a good part of this year starting now and then later in the year by Rx, affects us, collectively as well as by individual chart. And, on a broader level of the US natal chart, while in the midst of a Pluto return.
I have observed watching the House and Senate trials the question repeated broached as to what the founding framers intended. The entire structure of the USA constitution has been up for review and question, as to exactly what was intended by the founding fathers. And even questioned what the founding fathers would have to say if they were present to bear witness to the current state of US affairs.
Note as well, that since the introduction of the COVID-19 on a pandemic level, how the structure of our daily lives, how and where we work and study, how we source entertainment and intimately how we relate to daily life with others via, touching, hugging or kissing. I have a notion, that in time this will lead to how we exchange money, as currency carry disease. Is this coincidence or synchronicity that these formal societal structures are drastically changing at the onset of Saturn in Capricorn, conjunct it's own South node?
When was the last time that Saturn was conjunct it's own south node? What can we glean from the past and apply to our current state of events. And yes, what role does the current state of the world, Earth's magnetic strength (and structural fluctuations), and the effects of the Sun all play into the current conjunction of transit Saturn to own south node.
Thank you in advance for your input.
Thanks Rad and chocolate astrologer.
Rad,... Do you know what were the key planets alignment when the Spanish flue?
Chocolate astrologer, thanks for your feedback, it seems you have worked a lot with it. My interest in astrology is quite new (at least in this life) it start more seriously last year, and know I'm reflecting in the thing that last year the community of astrology and ea specially, is the one I connect more, where saying that in 2020 is going to happen events that will change the reality we live one, new cycle.... Relative to planets in capricorn, pluto and saturn specially, but also jupiter and nodes etc etc. And uranus in taurus something with the planet earth going on. So everyone saying something is go to happen, something is going to happen,... Be ready. Greta guthember, amazonas, Australia.... A lot of things start moving in awaking the climate intelligence. And now we have this corona virus... Starting in the heart of the global industry.... Therefore pollution, industry forced to stop, consume forced to stop, eating wild animals in China forced to stop, airplanes forced to stop.... Wow this is pluto on fire. It's very interesting how astrology see all this before happening.
So as you say is not the first time happening, and with the body is same if we have cancer we may attack the cancer cells whatever they like it or not. This is the beauty of the challenge we have... To see the earth as a full body, where the hand can't go independent of the arm. Do you imagine a body where the hand say to the foot, you know what I don't give a fuck about you? So this is an amazing challenge as a whole, and as a particularity the beauty will be start to see that each specie has his own, concepts, values, world view that doesn't have to match necessarily with human views and concepts (like in Disney) if we understand it I feel that automatically we will shift to more caring.
All the best
Hi Sunya,
Neptune was in Leo, Uranus was in Aquarius, and Pluto was in Cancer conjunct the transiting Lunar Node S.Node, Capricorn N.node, new phase to Pluto that then went into Gemini and the N.Node into Sagittarius. This is when it began and spread to the whole planet. It ended when Uranus moved into Pisces, and the Lunar Nodes were in Taurus/Scorpio.
God Bless, Rad
Hola Rad,
Please can you comment on:
"I would like to open a discussion of how the current Saturn in Capricorn conjunction with its own south node for a good part of this year starting now and then later in the year by Rx, affects us, collectively as well as by individual chart. And, on a broader level of the US natal chart, while in the midst of a Pluto return."
As well as on:
"When was the last time that Saturn was conjunct it's own south node? What can we glean from the past and apply to our current state of events. And yes, what role does the current state of the world, Earth's magnetic strength (and structural fluctuations), and the effects of the Sun all play into the current conjunction of transit Saturn to own south node. "
Thanks so much.
Hi Chocolate Astrologer
Please can you comment on:
"I would like to open a discussion of how the current Saturn in Capricorn conjunction with its own south node for a good part of this year starting now and then later in the year by Rx, affects us, collectively as well as by individual chart. And, on a broader level of the US natal chart, while in the midst of a Pluto return."
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This correlates to the structural reality of individuals and well as whole nations, and how that structural reality has been created: the reasons for it. Within that to change whatever those existing structures are so that individual and collective growth, evolution can take place.
In the U.S.A context this is correlating the the increasing demographic changes that will lead to the white people being in the minority sometime in 2040. Because of that fact there are sub-populations of Americans that are and well be doing all they can to change the existing laws, if not the Constitution itself, to keep theme selves in power. This will of course create an increasing conflict and polarization between the existing 'minorities' within the country and the whites who are currently in the majority.
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As well as on:
"When was the last time that Saturn was conjunct it's own south node? What can we glean from the past and apply to our current state of events. And yes, what role does the current state of the world, Earth's magnetic strength (and structural fluctuations), and the effects of the Sun all play into the current conjunction of transit Saturn to own south node. "
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The last conjunction of Saturn to it's own S.Node was in that last part of 1990 and into the first part of 1991. One of the major events of that time was the break up of the Soviet Union into a new country: Russia. In this time frame that is correlating, collectively, in just about every part of the planet to what is called 'popularism': a word that means, really, nationalism = racism. So, of course, that is affecting the structural nature of governments around the world.
God Bless, Rad
Thanks Rad for your response,
Moments after reading your response, I listened to Washington Governor Jay Inslee's live statement imposing a ban on all public gathering of 250 people or more within 3 counties in response to the COVID-19 in those counties. He states that there are going to be major structural changes in how we live, how we do business, how we socialize, how we shop, and how we worship. (How Saturnian is that!) "The ban covers gatherings for social, recreational, spiritual and other matters." (Except for retail stores, for the time being...go figure, and please don't overly handle those food items in the grocery store!). Additionally, the structural powers that be are imposing a "Mandatory Social Distancing," in smaller gatherings and public places; no more touching please. The structure of how we socially interact with one another is being strictly directed and enforced by the structural powers that be; and all of this occurring exactly when Saturn is conjunct it's own South node.
The entire structure of individual daily lives is now changed, and as the Inslee states, this may last weeks or even months! Being that the best hope for a vaccine for COVID-19 is projected 18 months for now, this "New World Order" doesn't seem to be going anywhere too soon.
And if that was not enough to illustrate the Saturn conjunct it's own South Node in Capricorn, DJT, the epitome of Capricorn in its most distorted form, announced in Prime time, that all travel to Europe as of Friday will be suspended for 30 days (except for United Kingdom.... go figure?). Leaving the world wondering if that means, goods, or people or whom and what, and moreover for how long. The "great" patriarch has decreed! Wow, if that ain't Saturn in Capricorn (last critical degree to boot!) conjunct it's own South node then I don't know what is! You can't make this stuff up.
Interestingly enough, now Saturn will breech into Aquarius, and we seen the new structure of education, worship, sports and gatherings will all be held online; yes, no more face to face. Wow, these major structural changes have left most of the planet wondering how in the heck we will metamorphous into this new structural order of how we live are lives, or else be penalized by the authorities that be.
It will be interesting to see what the Rx cycle will bring, and what public structural evolutions will become norm for us human societies.
Hi All,
I think we all agree these are of times of cataclysmic evolution, so much so that astrology becomes almost irrelevant i would say... and nonetheless, to some of us, EA can be the source of meaning keeping us at least a bit sane now, as for any soul who is sensitive to collective energy would feel this strongly with this epidemic, and in Europe even if you are leaving under a rock, you would feel it. Maybe in the US that will take longer relative to facts and numbers not correlating to the possible reality now. In Italy doctors are already saying in hospitals the situation is only similar to WW2, where they are faced to decide who lives or dies relative to shortage of means and equipment.
I have been, as most of us in this MB and the astrological communities probably have, quite amazed at the literal translation of the current atmosphere in our lives. If we start with pluto and the nodal axis it leaves us in awe seeing now every moment of the present is either being postponed or cancelled and people are being FORCED to stay at HOME. So in EA language i would say the current times show all possible distortions of the cardinal cross, where people are forced by the states and structural organisations, Capricorn, to go to the NN in Cancer, home, out fear, Aries, to contact others, Libra. That is just mind blowing... Of course there are many other examples of this distortion, like the elders of the community being the ones dying massively, the sn pluto capricorn, many people reporting suddenly finding the most difficult times relating in their families when all distractions give away to boredom and they are faced only with each other, all sorts of social and cultural gathering and relating canceled, meaning sources of perceived pleasure disappear, people trying to guarantee their safety at home buying a lot of food as they perceive survival could be at risk, leaving others with nothing... Just the worst of Cancer archetype.
Although i do think we are seeing signs also of goodness and kindness and glimpses of future positive realities relative to the archetypes. Personally, and living now in small place and community, just yesterday a group decided to go for a run and walk in nature as consequence of a closed gym and classes cancelled. All of a sudden we found ourselves feeling much better, sharing our fears, more in touch with each other and by the end of it even someone complaining of a pain felt it disappear, so we've decided to repeat it now instead of the classes and the collective paranoia. It's a very small example but maybe many more are arising. Another good one in Italy is now given by the children to their elders. This children, with natal positions of pluto in Capricorn, are taking the responsibility to cheer up the grown ups with drawings and the message "Andrà tutto Bene", addressing their grandparents specifically saying everything is going to be alright. Wow, that certainly can warm our hearts...
Relative to this transits, Chocolate Astrologer, i'm inclined to see the link to capricorn at this stage, and in new phase to pluto, more relative to the forming square to uranus and i wonder if this postponing of the present actually is giving us present glimpses of the future (maybe the actual scenario when pluto ends its transit to Aquarius?), specially relative to working remotely, social isolation, strict social rules and close interactions lowered to the minimum, physical money disappearing, among many others... Rad would it be correct from your point of view to relate this with this aspects concerning the near future?
Another thing i would relate to this would be the chiron square to the nodal axis, exact as we speak. I have been reflecting on this over the past weeks and increasingly feel a very important correlation of chiron to be one of memory itself, painful memories of the soul, meaning the registering of this painful event that would not leave the soul for eternity, just like a tattoo, and is part of its shape so to speak. Don't know if it makes sense to everyone, but here in the MB i saw Rose Marcus giving a definition in a older thread i also resonate to, of chiron correlating to "peak experiences". Many authors attribute its rulership either to aquarius/uranus or virgo/mercury, so the theme of memory does come along. And this moment, collectively, much of the painful memories of distorted Capricorn/Cancer polarity are being picked up for healing, with this healing relating closely to healing the aries distortions, like looking only at ourselves, unlimited growth, and so on, curbing the zarathustras parts of us... . Maybe the healing is too related to re-structuring our foundations relative to survival and the way we relate to nature and natural law, given jupiter is capricorn and uranus is in taurus, or humanity falls again into survival mode trying to suppress this unconscious painful memories of collective and personal suffering.
In any case, chiron is definitely emphasised now and i saw a chart for the moment the spanish flu was reported, March 4, 1918, with chiron at 28 pisces exactly square the nodal axis at 28 Sag/Gem and pluto at 3 Cancer (the current north node degrees in march 2020), with also the current crisis being reported from china to the world in mid january, when mars, the ruler chiron in aries, was transiting the uranus south in sagittarius, if i recall well.
If anyone has any other thoughts in this it would be very nice to hear.
Best to All,
Helena
Hi Helena,
"Rad would it be correct from your point of view to relate this with this aspects concerning the near future?"
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Yes...
God Bless, Rad
Thanks Rad!
Helena, chocolate, I will add also to your reflections, the arquetype of piscis, neptune correlated with hospitals, monasteries, jails and retirement symbols that force us to reflect in the way we are living. It seems that houses has become into hospitals, jails or monasteries. Curious relation cancer piscis.
And in relation with all this closing country borders, well is obviously capricorn.
Hi Sunya,
Its true. Synchronistically, about enforced seclusion and isolation i remembered yesterday something Rad said some months ago relative to Lucifer conjunct nn moon transit and can be very helpful, about the need for reflection that has now become a 'natural' process for many as everything stops and people have 'time'.
I leave Rad's quote bellow as is so spot on right now:
"From the point of view of Lucifer 'as bearer of Light' this correlates to a time frame in which the Soul can become totally aware of the inner causes, dynamics, that have been and are responsible for the totality of it's emotional dynamics which in turn have been, and are, the causes of the total emotional reality that the Soul has created for it's own going evolutionary needs: past and present. This awareness occurs through active reflection, the Capricorn polarity via the transiting S.Node of the Moon, upon the totality of the Soul's life to date. Within this to then understand and accept that the Soul has and is responsible for that which has, is, and will be creating. This self knowledge is essential for the Soul to continue to evolve in the current moment, and into it's future.
From the point of view of Lucifer and evil this correlates to not being able to accept the responsibility for that the Soul has, is, and will be creating relative to it's emotional dynamics, and how those dynamics have been responsible for the reality it has created. Instead, the Soul will reflect upon it's emotional life to date and blame others for that which it has created. In so doing, the Soul will inhibit, block, and delay it's ongoing evolutionary journey until and unless it can evolve in such a way to accept the responsibility in it's own actions: the inner dynamics that are responsible for that which it has created.
In each individual chart all of this is symbolized by the location by house of the transiting North and South Nodes of the Moon, and how they then trigger the natal placements of the Moon and Saturn by their own signs, houses, and aspects to them."
All the best,
Helena
Helena! Yes, that's what's happening.
It's not the first time that our antenna sintonice the same wave!
Hi Sunya, it's true!
Rad, i went to check lucifer position and it's at 27 gemini now, going to cancer on april 1st, coincidently fools day(!), with a conjunction to the nodal axis on april 8/9, then separating from there.
Could you share your thoughts on this sign shift lucifer position relative to the current events?
The only thing coming to mind is this lucifer in gemini magnifying collective paranoia and fear contagion with all kinds of news, most of them fake, as well as mathematical predictions of great magnitude. Although in some cases like the United Kingdom or the United States, the reverse happening with states undervaluing numbers, delaying measures which can put people at risk.
In Europe is funny these dates correspond to times the possible quarantine measures might end in many countries, as everything, major decisions being postponed until then, with april 8 the day of a full moon in Libra squaring all the Capricorn placements. Not making predictions, i am paying attention to it relative to the moon being now also the ruler of the nn and full moon bringing things to a head, could we say that by then people would at least have an idea not so much infested with paranoia and with actual realities relative to the future?
Thank you,
Helena
P.S. Rad, one other thing... Collectively is not a coincidence this is happening, meaning most european countries put in quarantine - 40, the same derival name for the period of days preceding easter Sunday we are now in. I have heard before of spiritual correlations of this time before Easter corresponding every year to some sort of personal or collective purification indicating suffering like the suffering of Jesus. Would you share this correlations? And if so, are they a collective projection of the unconscious, or can we separate religion conditioning from a real appeal for spiritual guidance in these times?
Hi Helena,
"The only thing coming to mind is this lucifer in gemini magnifying collective paranoia and fear contagion with all kinds of news, most of them fake, as well as mathematical predictions of great magnitude. Although in some cases like the United Kingdom or the United States, the reverse happening with states undervaluing numbers, delaying measures which can put people at risk.
In Europe is funny these dates correspond to times the possible quarantine measures might end in many countries, as everything, major decisions being postponed until then, with april 8 the day of a full moon in Libra squaring all the Capricorn placements. Not making predictions, i am paying attention to it relative to the moon being now also the ruler of the nn and full moon bringing things to a head, could we say that by then people would at least have an idea not so much infested with paranoia and with actual realities relative to the future?"
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Relative to corona virus all over the globe it is really necessary to orientate to the actual facts, scientific facts, of it versus all the disinformation generated through the influence of Lucifer in the from of evil. We always need to remember, all of us, that negative emotions is the fertile playground of Lucifer in the form of evil. Once this takes hold in any given Soul the degree of fears and the behavior this generates knows almost no bounds whatsoever. Lucifer in the form of the 'bearer of Light' correlates to actual reality, actual facts, that then affects the emotional body in a way that any given Soul can makes the choices necessary for itself relative to it's own individual life: the nature of it. Within this each Soul can then focus on the whole of reality which translates into their immediate community, their country, and the world itself in terms of what each needs for each individual in those concentric wholes needs. In this way each individuals needs will be met. And, in this way, a state of balance within the collective/ individual crisis can occur the extremes created through disinformation influenced by Lucifer in the form of Evil.
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P.S. Rad, one other thing... Collectively is not a coincidence this is happening, meaning most european countries put in quarantine - 40, the same derival name for the period of days preceding easter Sunday we are now in. I have heard before of spiritual correlations of this time before Easter corresponding every year to some sort of personal or collective purification indicating suffering like the suffering of Jesus. Would you share this correlations? And if so, are they a collective projection of the unconscious, or can we separate religion conditioning from a real appeal for spiritual guidance in these times?
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This a matter of projected BELIEFS wherein those projected BELIES become a determinant of how phenomenal events are INTERPRETED. Real spiritual guidance correlates to trying to understand Nature and the Natural Laws therein that become the determinants as to WHY this type of virus has manifested in the first place, and what needs to be done by humanity because of it.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad and All,
Rad thank you, as always, for sharing, helping and teaching us. We all have our unique ways of understanding situations and the real reasons for the why of anything, specially now as necessary part of this reflection process, and this that you said really helped everything fall into place for me. Which is, from the point of correlation of Capricorn/Cancer to patriarchy and matriarchy, or living or not in harmony with nature and natural law, we will live as many easters and quarantines as we need (although this seems like a peak time relative to that cycle) until each of us individually and consequently collectively make a conscious choice to change and separate from the projected beliefs structuring this cycles of sadomasochistic behaviour of abuse and punishment, relative to guilt as to how we collectively have been relating to nature and each other. For me that's unfortunately the real virus... And since we cannot solve a problem with the state of mind that created it in the first place, this conscious choice is only a matter of doing something, taking responsibility, not waiting for the "punishment" of the same old mindset creating infinite crisis.
Several days ago i questioned myself what would be like if we lived a catastrophic global situation in times were we would live in balance and harmony with nature and the earth, balance and harmony of the feminine and masculine polarities of our universe. Then i started receiving synchronistic answers and manifestations all coming down to this - the earth, our Mother, is fertility and abundance, to each and everyone who is open to receive it. We know this for a fact if we want to, like mentioned in another recent post, is already coming from the inside. If only we do not allow old guilts to distract us from what we should do for ourselves and world at this times. Contrary to any authority, ultimately god, that punishes and hurts, Mother Earth knows nothing of that desire, and that's what's strange for most of us in making the collective shift. We're not used to it...
As JWG teaches about pluto transits and catastrophic evolution, by now we all have for sure received the typical Plutonian and Uranian repeated messaging preparing us for the actions we need to take as to effect our needed evolution, messages who might have started years ago. Relative to our planet this is very clear, not a surprise, so it shouldn't be that hard :-) the only thing sure to fail, and for a natural reason, is insisting on the same old.
Relative to EA and the asteroid Goddess, i find important to notice too the significance of Ceres. She was conjunct the major Capricorn, planetary south nodes, Pluto, Saturn conjunctions in mid January and around this time Ceres just past the conjunction to the south node of Neptune in aquarius, turning the volume on those messages about our inner Home and the times we wish to return to from here.
Relative to epidemics, in the chart of the spanish flu i mentioned earlier from 1918, Ceres was at 29 sagittarius conjunct the moon north node, opposing pluto at 3 cancer and squaring chiron at 28 pisces. It seems Ceres speaks here of our separation from our inherent ability to trust earth's abundance and capacity of regeneration, to trust time and the change of seasons as nature's message we will have everything we need, in its own time.
I leave some words of Jalala Bonheim* in a recent newsletter, about a dream she had with "The Goddess who cups Her Breasts" and Her message.
" "I, the Mother of all beings, am here. Have faith: I shall nourish you richly and abundantly, for you are my beloved child."
For those of us who were raised in a patriarchal context, this is a rather unfamiliar way of relating to the Divine. The Judeo-Christian God tends to be strict, demanding, and sometimes punitive. In contrast, nothing about this goddess is judgmental. Her love is generous, free, and unconditional. There is nothing we need to do to earn it, and she expresses it in ways that are sensual, pleasurable and embodied."
Best to All,
Helena
P.S.* Thank you Kristin for your suggestion of Bonheim's book and work some time ago in the asteroid Goddesses thread, a truly inspirational voice!