Dear all,
I study Saturn in Scorpio. I need some kind person to explain me paradox when we have Saturn in Scorpio in the 2nd house.
Also, some recommendation for great EA book about Saturn in houses/signs.
Thank you !
M.
Hi Melita,
Signs, houses, and planets all correlate to a variety of archetypes that are specific to them. In order to understand any one symbol in a birth chart is to understand the totality of that birth chart starting with the core EA paradigm. It is that whole birth chart that then establishes exactly what archetypes the Soul is using that allows for it's own going evolution. In other words, any one planet in a sign and house do not have just one meaning.
One example of the paradox that illustrates your question about Saturn in Scorpio in the 2nd house is one where the individual would actualize and establish their own business in order to evolve through the 2nd house archetype of self reliance versus joining or becoming part of someone else's business. One simple example that means such a Soul is desiring to inwardly access their own inner resources to affect their own evolution versus being dependent on someone else's to do so.
One of the very best books written on Saturn is by Liz Greene called Saturn: A New Look At An Old Devil and Saturn in Transit: Boundaries of Mind, Body, and Soul by Erin Sullivan.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Melita, Kristin Fontana and Simon Volster did a youtube series on Saturn through the 12 signs/ houses. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLEU3_dI5qfGlfGcwOOBIXFOEHfz9eYlX (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLEU3_dI5qfGlfGcwOOBIXFOEHfz9eYlX)
Love it, thank you Ari.
Rad, thank you very much.
Thanks everyone, a very timely post as i have my Saturn opposition exact today! and Uranus opposition exact next month!
I couldn't resist posting this pic. Im at work, which has thrown up a few issues with my second saturn opposition. After reading this post i went and ordered Saturn in transit by Erin Sullivan....I thought it would be a nice idea to read it with the new goats we have at work..but it didn't happen, goats are to much fun.
Anyway my astrological question is; Erin Sullivan talks about the second Saturn return as unique, because its the only major planetary (archetypal, not personal obviously) signature happening at that time. She specifically mentions that the second Saturn opposition happens after the Uranus opposition.... but in my instance this is not the case, as I'm about to have my exact Uranus opposition in May. My Saturn opposition is happening right now; so at the same time effectively.
Anyone have any thoughts or (in honour of Saturn) experience in this matter? How can Saturn offer his gifts/lesson with the Uranian impulse shaking things up....
my natal Uranus is in the tenth.....
Hi GoldLeaf,
As you know we do not do personal chart stuff on this mb. Relative to your question about both Saturn and Uranus being in opposition to themselves I am posting here from JWG'S book on Uranus.
Uranus and Saturn Cycles
Question: Would you discuss the Uranus transit with respect to its opposition to itself?
Sure. This transit correlates to the famous mid-life crisis as experienced in many people. It generally occurs between thirty-eight and forty-three years of age. Why do most people experience it as a crisis? What is the crisis really about? And what and how are the best ways to respond positively and constructively to it? What is its meaning within the total 84 year cycle of Uranus? Since we always have to understand everything within context, and Saturn correlates to the overall context of one's structural reality at any moment in time, how do we understand the transiting cycle of Uranus as it interfaces with the transiting cycle of Saturn?
The first dynamic or archetype we should examine is the interrelationship between the Uranus and Saturn cycles in order to understand the structural foundation that induces the psychological and physiological effects when Uranus is opposing itself through transit.
Uranus has an 84 year cycle, and Saturn has a 28 year cycle. It takes 3 complete Saturn cycles to equal one Uranus cycle. Relative to the prime vertical and horizontal lines within the 360 degree zodiac, Saturn archetypically induces structural reality stress to itself every 7 years: 7, 14, 21, 28, 35, 42, 49, 56, 63, 70, 77, and 84. Uranus induces the need to be free from that which is, the freedom from the known, at 21, 42, 63, and 84. It is interesting to note that the space probe of Uranus revealed that the "seasons" on Uranus have a 21 year cycle.
At 21 Uranus is forming a first quarter square to itself, at 42 it forms the opposition, at 63 the last quarter square, and completes the cycle at 84. At 21 Saturn is forming a last quarter square to itself, at 42 it is in opposition to itself, at 63 it is in a first quarter square, and at 84 it has completed its third cycle. This interface between Uranus and Saturn thus correlates to natural transition points in all people's lives, whatever their personal, social, or societal context may be. The best way to answer your question is to define the ARCHETYPES at these natural transitional junctures.
42 years
At this juncture both Uranus and Saturn are in a transiting opposition to themselves. The archetypal intent of this symbolism is to step back and detach from all that has come before, and led to this point in time. The full phase opposition archetype correlates to the need for MEANING, RELEVANCY, and COMPLETION. It is at this juncture that the famous mid-life crisis manifests. For the 70% or so who did not question independently what it was that they actually believed or valued, the mid-life crisis is based upon two primary dynamics:
The individual suddenly and unexpectedly finds him or herself standing back in fundamental detachment from what constitutes the totality of its structural reality. This detachment induces an increasing restlessness, irritability, desire to be free from one's existing obligations and duties, a desire to change many aspects of one's life which intensifies, and is ultimately suppressed in most, BECAUSE OF the nature of one's obligations and duties. There is a loss of meaning, relevancy, and weariness (completion) because one has suddenly become aware that he or she has been living a life whose values and beliefs were extensions of the peer group. This being the case, there is a need to fundamentally redefine one's beliefs and values. This in turn creates a need to alter one's sense of identity. Altering one's sense of identity leads to the need to change life directions, goals, and general lifestyle. This archetypal need serves as yet another opportunity, in this life, to deeply question and reflect upon oneself. This in turn allows for the individuation of the Uranian impulse to manifest, this impulse attempting to break us free from our conditional reality (identity).
It accelerates the psychology and physiology of aging. Saturn is a co-ruler of the pituitary gland. This gland regulates the functions of the entire organism, including the progressive degeneration or aging of the system. At this juncture we become sharply aware that we are at mid-life, that our youth is receding, that we have an increasingly limited amount of time to live, and that our mortality is perceived in sharp relief. In females the aging process normally "˜signals' the beginning of menopause, and in males the waning of their sexual energy or interest. These developments certainly can induce a mid-life crisis in many.
Even though this mid-life crisis manifests in most people for the above reasons, most suppress it and carry on with their lives in a kind of stoic resignation to their lot or fate in life (Saturn). To radically alter (Uranus) life at this point in time, given the obligations, commitments, and duties that are in place for most at this point in our lives, is just too much to seriously (Saturn) act upon (Uranus and Saturn). However, this crisis has at least promoted an awareness, despite how uncomfortable it may be, within this 70% of people whose lives have been defined within the context of their contemporary peer groups, of how and why they have arrived at this point in time with their lives. A small percent of these individuals WILL manifest the courage to break free and liberate from any definition or condition which does not reflect their essential identity. This is initially accomplished through an increasing awareness of what the person IS NOT. This awareness will promote desires to experiment (Uranus) with new ideas, experiences, and people that symbolize realities outside of the status quo (Saturn). The burst of experimentation will progressively give way to settling upon ideas/philosophies, values, and a general lifestyle that symbolizes and reflects who the person actually is, or is becoming: the deconditioned self.
For the 30% or so who have already attempted to define (Saturn) themselves outside of the status quo (Uranus/Saturn), this juncture will still produce the need to detach from the immediacy of one's life. Restlessness and the temptation to withdraw from the conditions of one's life can manifest in most of this group, these psychological symptoms reflecting the awareness of mortality. The awareness of mortality reflects the restrictions/constrictions of time (Saturn). This awareness thus induces the temptation to withdraw from the immediacy of the conditions of one's life in order to reflect upon it, to detach from it. The need to detach produces the restlessness. The need to reflect (Saturn) upon one's life is linked with the need to adjust, change, or radically alter any condition which restricts (Saturn) the future (Uranus). Since this group has already manifested the evolved ability to define themselves in various ways outside of the status quo realities. The mid-life crisis associated with the increasing restriction of time, mortality, induces this need to alter the course of life where necessary.
God Bless, Rad
thanks for posting this Rad 8)