Hi Everyone,
Hope you're well.
Firstly, Apologies and Thanks in advance for my total novice question...
I am working hard on trying to understand and integrate the Aspects/Phases within my mind! I know, as i've been reading on here for quite some time; this is to be expected.
Could someone please have a look at the attached chart and confirm to me that I am right in my calculations that Venus is in a Balsamic Phase to Mars? Specific Aspect is 2 degrees off from a non-stressful Novil aspect?
I hope so. I have taken the fastest moving planet (venus) and counted counter clockwise until I reached mars. Or have I gone the wrong way around?
Thank You, I am working on my assignment re: phases/aspects/planetary pairs. (The long post on this topic has been super useful!)
Warmest,
Xenia Rose
Hi, Xenia Rose! :)
You did it right, your Venus is in balsamic conjunction to Mars.
Cool!!! Thank You very much for your time Julia8! :)
Hello Ladies,
Actually, that is incorrect.
The Mars/Venus are in a NEW phases here.
Take the slower moving planet, which is Mars, and count the degrees of separation between Mars and Venus moving counter clockwise, so from Mars toward Venus.
Mars is 27 degrees of Taurus and Venus is 4 degrees of Cancer. That makes it 37 degrees of separation, so this is a New Phase.
Also, it is not a conjunction. If it were a conjunction, it would need to be within 10 degrees of separation. :)
~ Kristin
Hi Kristin
Thanks for jumping in. Yeah, it was kinda 50-50 if I were going the wrong way around.
*If*you have a moment, could you clarify these phases between the following planetary pairs, to be sure i'm going in the right direction?
Moon Saturn - Saturn is starting point = 218 degrees of separation = Full Phase. 2 degrees off from a Biquintle.
Mercury Jupiter - 163 degrees of separation = Gibbous Phase. No aspect
Thank you
Warmest
Xenia
Its an OLD new phase.....so how does that play out as opposed a New new phase....more consciousness around whatever is symbolised?
Ooh, thanks for the additional input Goldleaf..
'Old new phase' = Do you mean because it's nearing the end of the phase -(37 degrees) and only 8 degrees from next (Crescent) phase?
Reading Deva's book, its only 3 degrees off from a novil/non-aspect (40 degrees exact) and she writes:
"The formation of a conscious awareness and identification of the evolutionary intentions of the pluto aspect now triggers a gestation process where further personal growth (subjective awareness) relative to the intentions of the pluto aspect can manifest. We become aware that we are moving in a new direction and that the new direction is very personal in nature. The sense of self discovery is intensified as we give the evolutionary intention of the pluto aspect a personal and individual meaning."
All sounds good and I take a guess that yes, in answer to your question, more consciousness/awareness is being developed.
But this is a Mars/Venus aspect. So what is played out? How would this manifest?
Hi XeniaRose,
Yes that's exactly what i mean, the phases are progressions and what i really love about Jeff's work is the ability to move the archetypes through time and space by using the phases.....so yes whatever was started in the new phase conjunction is now a little toddler that demands more attention....i think...
Hi All,
Here is a wonderful learning tool that I believe Linda Johnson created to help with locating the phases in a birth chart.
ZeniaRose, You can overlap this image with your chart to determine the phases in order to get used to some of the more obscure degrees.
Peace,
Kristin
Hi ZeniaRose,
You wrote:
Moon Saturn - Saturn is starting point = 218 degrees of separation = Full Phase. 2 degrees off from a Biquintle.
Yes, and since it's only 2 degrees of separation from the exact biquintile degree, then it is considered a biquintile because it is within the orb.
Mercury Jupiter - 163 degrees of separation = Gibbous Phase. No aspect
Yes.
Deva and I are doing a series on Mercury/Jupiter Phases. Here is the webinar on Gibbous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oODNHZmfKYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oODNHZmfKYc)
Peace,
Kristin
Ah, yes, yes, right. I'm sorry, Kristin, for posting an incorrect comment here. I was trying to help but I ended up creating a bit of a mess since I'm also a newbie...
Thank You, for input and chart. I have this from here, but didn't use as yet. At the moment, the counting seems to solidify the teaching!
One more thing if I may; Goldleaf's comment about it being an OLD NEW PHASE got me thinking. As this is a Mars/Venus aspect, how would this manifest? Which would initiate the required transformation - Venus or Mar?
What would this look like?
Thanks for the video - i'll have a look today.
Hi XeniaRose,
Sorry I missed the question you posted. I'm guessing to get to the mars/Venus you'd have to look at the whole chart, but you'd think with Taurus mars in fourth house the soul is desiring/working on developing some deep emotional security.
Mars in also in new phase with chiron, so this soul has been wounded in very recent lives? and the Balsamic Uranus Jupiter opposite the moon stuff is also interesting in terms of time and space.....recent trauma to beliefs about family?
Venus rules the mars in the seventh/cancer (inner security in diverse relationships), so this soul needs to develop that inner security to initiate the diversity of relationships it needs...I know this is very basic stuff but maybe this soul has a nascent awareness of how to begin initiating different types of relationship?.... Is this a soul that has had lifetimes of relating in more formal capacities and has therefore denied their own internal desires and needs and in very recent lives has experienced trauma to this belief about relating, has this trauma been brought into the souls consciousness through family/home life in its widest application?
I'm just shooting in the dark but just my initial thoughts....
Interesting chart...interesting post.....
Interesting Feedback!
Thanks for your perspective and for raising some further points to investigate Goldleaf..(Balsamic Uranus Jupiter opposition Moon. Mars/Venus/emerging trauma.. )
Really, its appreciated.
Sorry, I think Jupiter is in NEW Phase to Uranus...and the pluto saturn combo....
Mm... I'm not sure...
Uranus is at 7d 43' 28 Sag
Jupiter is at 7d 47' 46 Sag
Both Retrograde with Jupiter applying in its conjunction.. therefore i'd say it would be a New Phase =Applying?? If it were separating, then it would fall under the Balsamic phase? Or?? ???
Great Learning happening! Hoping someone jumps in to confirm either way ...
Hi members,
I've attached some visuals below which will hopefully help you learn the technique of calculating phasal relationships more readily and easily.
Love, Linda
Hi ZeniaRose,
You asked
Uranus is at 7d 43' 28 Sag
Jupiter is at 7d 47' 46 Sag
Both Retrograde with Jupiter applying in its conjunction.. therefore i'd say it would be a New Phase =Applying??
Yes NEW PHASE because Uranus is slower, thus station and Jupiter is separating (not applying) from Uranus as you move counterclockwise.
You then wrote
If it were separating, then it would fall under the Balsamic phase? Or?? Huh
Jupiter IS separating from Uranus, thus NEW.
Just take the slower moving planet and count the degrees counter clockwise. I think the words separating and applying are confusing you. ;)
It may be that because they are retrograde that you are thinking the planets are moving. They are not, this is a chart for a given moment in time and we are simply counting the degrees that separate them to determine the aspect and phase.
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THANK YOU LINDA FOR THESE CHARTS ~ they are excellent!
~Kristin
Great, thanks for clarifying Kristin, particularly regarding retrogrades and moments in time!
does anyone have any archetypal one liners/koans or paragraph about a planet combo with the new phase planet ruling the starting planet?
So mars being ruled by new phase venus and Uranus being ruled by new phase jupiter in this particular chart,
Could this symbolise a new way of dealing with an old issue? Or an intensification of the instinctual process as symbolised by the new phase?
Thanks
HI Goldleaf,
In this case, the Venus ruling the New Phase Mars brings an added emphasis on the inner relationship to herself and the need to nurture and validate herself within versus looking to others for acceptance. Being that we are working with a Mars in Taurus in the 4th and a Venus in Cancer in the 7th, that is a strong theme for self reliance across the board, emotionally speaking and otherwise. With Venus ruling that Mars, it does give it an extra kicker of energy where she will be attracting others who enforce this intention.
She may attract others who need her, so by virtue of their neediness, she is then not getting her needs met by another. Thus needing to cultivate those inner landscapes herself, a natural path to evolution. So yes, Venus in Cancer in this context gives it added intensification of this Soul intention. Remember too, that Venus rules her 9th house Pluto in Libra.
Looking at the whole chart, she is already a Soul is who going to feel alienated in this world and not really at home anywhere, a gypsy spirit. This means she is learning to feel at home wherever she travels and to bring that feeling of home with her. (9th house Pluto in Libra, ruler Venus in Cancer ~ South Node in Sag in the 12th, ruler Jupiter New Phase to Uranus in the 11th)
With Jupiter ruling the New Phases Uranus/Jupiter conjunction in Sagittarius, yes, this intensifies the theme of honoring her nature and her individuality no matter what. Remembering that she has a South Node in Sagittarius in the 12th, which that same Jupiter rules. To not attach to what others think of her and her choices. (Venus in Cancer in the 7th) and to remember that to live her truth, Jupiter, will allow her to naturally attract others of like mind who are wired as she is, even if they are few.
The bottom line is her need to be true to herself, 9th house Pluto, SN in Sag. She can become whole unto herself by nurturing what she needs emotionally and otherwise. Part of what will allow for this is aligning with her karma yoga, right work, North Node in the 6th in a way that honors her unique design, her original thumbprint (as JWG would say).
~Kristin
All,
Apologies for my delay, I was teaching all day yesterday.
@ Linda, Great,thank you for the charts!
@ GoldLeaf - thank you for continuing the discussion and bringing further things to light. My learning and understanding of the phases/aspects and planetary pairing has been accelerated this week!! I feel way more confident in assessing phasal relationships and the evolutionary aspects within the 360 cycle. Thank You.
@ Kirsten - Mmmm.... Yes indeed... "This Person" is indeed learning strong and fast about the deeper layers of self reliance and sufficiency. She has a history of codependency (Mostly others - Aggressively - saving themselves through her but is finally becoming aware that it is SHE that is creating this dynamic). That mars needs to be activated, otherwise it plays out via projection to the other.
'She' is committed to the work to free herself of this unaware excess emotional energy and turn it inwards to peel back further layers. Her explorations of consciousness lead her to develop her emotional states.
Leaving for the east very shortly for 4 months of silent retreat, hopefully uncovering further conditioning before south america to embark on prolonged TAPM.
It is at this point, regardless of others expectations and demands on the life that she 'should' live, she is
truly living the life that she wishes.
Strange to read how accurately you read 'her'.
Sending Love and Respect your way
Xenia Rose
Hi ZeniaRose,
That is the value and the power of EA when the archetypes are understood correctly.
An incredible tool to help validate the Soul on its journey.
Peace,
Kristin
Hi Kristin,
Thanks for the detailed analysis of the aspects mentioned, clear and concise; yes of course I forgot the south node sag, freedom lover and consciousness maverick for sure!
ZeniaRose, thanks again for the opportunity to learn myself....
Mercury retrograde is going to love that silent retreat!
Cheers