All,
I am thinking of starting a new thread on the EA subject of skipped steps. In the thread we would be reviewing all the core EA archetypes that correlate with skipped steps in which you can ask questions along the way. We will use example charts to illustrate. I am also considering having those who actually participate in the thread, if they choose too, to post some examples of their own skipped steps, those that have them in their own birth charts, in order to help learning process for us all.
For those who are interested please let me know.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Definitely count me in.
I realize this will be for natal signatures but it is a ideal time for us all to deepen our understanding on this subject with transiting Saturn in Sag squaring the Nodes, as well as Neptune, the ruler of the transiting South Node.
Peace,
Kristin
All,
Kristin, who is in a long process about writing a book on skipped step, has agreed to be a co-moderator with me on this thread. Thanks Kristin. Also, she and Deva Green will be doing a series on skipped steps on Kristin's weekly EA radio show. That will start on September 14th. Please click on this link is you are interested in tuning into that radio show which is broadcast on the internet: http://kristinfontana.com.
God Bless, Rad
Rad,
I would very much like the opportunity to participate in this thread... I have a very difficult skipped step in my chart that has been very hard for me to understand and work through. I would be willing to share my chart and anything about my life to gain greater understanding of my skipped step and souls purpose for this life.
Thank you so much for all that you do and share here,
Heather
Hi Rad
I will do my best to participate, even though I'm up to my eyeballs in work.
I had actually been intending, when I got a chance, to do a belated case study for the Venus and it's nodal axis thread, which happened to involve a skipped step. So maybe when the time comes maybe I could still do that on this one ... we could see if it's fitting or not later on. But I'm definitely keen for this thread.
blessings Upasika
Rad,
Yes-I happen to be working through the first section of this course and a better understanding of "˜skipped steps' would be very appreciated!
Thanks, Marti
Hi Rad,
Count me in too!
Thank you for this opportunity.
Wei
Hi Rad,
Count me in and thank you for the opportunity. I also second what Kristin said about the perfect timing because of the current transits.
All the best
Hi Rad,
you can count me in too. I got to know of evolutionary astrology simply because noticing i had a planet squaring the nodal axis, felt what i already knew of astrology could not answer it, so started searching for an understanding that could make sense.
I still feel is a work-in-progress though, so thank you for this opportunity!
Helena
Hi Rad,
Count me in !
Maya
Hi All,
Great response so far. We will begin this thread in about a week's time. We plan on covering within it the 'skipped step' signatures in synastry and composite charts as well.
God Bless, Rad
Hi there, I have been visiting the message board and EA on and off over the years. Even so, I consider myself a beginner. If you need some more material to talk about skipped steps, I can provide it. Those skipped steps are alive and well in my own chart - Pluto square the nodes. I am pushing 60 now, so I have lots of experience. I was fortunate to meet JWG many years ago (he was kind, generous and welcoming) and it was that meeting that ignited in me a true fascination with the symbols of astrology. Anyway, if you want to take a look you are welcome. If you have enough already, no offense taken. If you do choose to look at my chart, I will commit to answering all questions and will participate as much as I can. All the best, dollydaydream
All,
So we will begin our thread on "˜skipped steps'. Skywalker and Kristin has asked me to comment on the current transit of Saturn in Sagittarius squaring the transiting Nodes in Pisces and Virgo. So I thought I would write something first before we get into the understanding and application of skipped steps in an individuals chart.
Saturn square Nodes in Pisces/ Virgo: Reality, Saturn, is a function of beliefs or actual truth: Sagittarius. For most humans reality is function of beliefs starting with some religion of philosophy that is the determinant of how their consciousness is organized and structured. The organization and structure of consciousness determined by beliefs thus orientates the Soul, the human, to phenomenal or actuality reality by way of interpreting, according to the beliefs, what the actual reality is. In this way humans project their beliefs upon actual reality .. the issue is thus are those beliefs illusions/ delusions that ultimately lead to or create crisis , or not.
This Saturn transit ultimately refers to Pluto in Capricorn, it's current Pluto transit over it's own S.Node, and the Nodes of Saturn and Jupiter: the original transition from natural times to the patriarchy , the religions that were invented then all defined by male gods. Every aspect of "˜reality' that has been created from the point forwards until now defined by the collective consciousness that is rooted in the need to conform to the majority of what humans "˜believe' to be true: the basis of the consensus in any culture, society, or tribe.
Within these consensus beliefs stand the root of judgments. Judgments that are projected upon all humans, and judgments that occur within each human. The issue then becomes are those judgments rooted in Natural Laws, or are they rooted in delusional beliefs that have been created and invented by man made laws.
Remember of core Natural Law is the law of giving, sharing, and inclusion. This became progressively perverted when humans learned how to cultivate seeds leading to farming, and the raising of animals. Thus shifting from being nomadic beings into sentient beings. The invention of religions began at that time, and the natural law of giving, sharing, and inclusion became perverted into self interest and exclusion.
The violation of that natural law is at the very root of all of "˜reality' since that time until now that has lead to hierarchies, of classes of peoples, of competition between whole group of peoples with other peoples, of one individual to another.
In the times we are living now all of this of course is creating a "˜reality' for our planet that is threatening it's very existence, and whole of nature, including the human animal. The root of that threat lies in the economic systems that humans defined by self interest and exclusion have created.
If humans do not change, to redefine themselves according to natural laws including giving, sharing, and inclusion then the potential extinction of the species lies ahead. If they don't then the "˜skipped steps' that manifest now during transits like Saturn in Sagittarius squaring the Lunar Nodes in Pisces/ Virgo will occur. And progressively those skipped steps will catch up the to the collective of all humans leading to progressively cataclysmic events whose intentions are to force a realignment with Natural Laws in order to SURVIVE.
So this is a time for all humans to reflect, Saturn, on these things. Reflection can generate self knowledge, a knowledge that can be applied to this moment, and the next, in order to evolve in natural ways versus distorted ways.
Where is the Saturn transit in your chart now relative to the S.Node of Pisces, and the North Node of Virgo ? These are the lead points in your own structural reality that need to be reflected upon in order to determine a self knowledge of yourself that can and must be applied to your evolving future: now, and the next moment, and the next moment into your future. The transiting S.Node correlates to that which is being brought forwards to now, and how that interfaces with your evolving future: the transiting N. Node. The possibility of creating skipped steps exists relative to whatever those dynamics/ issues are about your past relative to the temptation, transiting N.Node, to move ahead without fulfilling whatever whatever it is about the past that needs to be fulfilled and completed. If not, then skipped steps will take place.
This is a time to reflect on the nature of your beliefs in general. Not just philosophical or religious beliefs, but your beliefs about anything. This is a time to replace all "˜beliefs' with actual knowledge. Knowledge does not require a belief in it because knowledge, actual knowledge, is objectively true: it is a fact. Do you "˜believe' that the sky is blue, or do you know it ? In the same way to reflect on your life in order to replace any delusional believe with actual knowledge. Do I "˜believe' my partner is cheating on me, or do I know it". And so on.
This is a time to reflect on your past in order to know that past in the deepest possible ways: the causes of it, the truth of it. In this way actual knowledge will occur that you can then apply to yourself now, and into your future. You will then evolve naturally versus evolving in distorted ways where distortion is a function of delusive beliefs.
If you have any questions about this please ask them of us now.
God Bless, Rad
With regard to the creation of skipped steps in the first place (current or prior lives) I am feeling the avoidance of not taking right action relative to what needs to be resolved can be a conscious, unconscious, or combination of both process. This can be a reflection of the soul's evolutionary place. Is this correct? Thanks.
Yes
Hi, just started following this thread. Thank you for the information presented so far. Many blessings.
Hi Rad,
Thank you for writing about the current square between Saturn and the Nodal Axis.
All the best
Hi Rad,
I've been reflecting on what you shared about the current transit of saturn square the nodes and factual knowledge vs belief, which i understand the way you put it.
So my question is, integrating it to my own context right now going through a strong uranus transit (hope this is a general topic also for the MB), the repetitive messages that uranus brings are, as jWG taught, and i can comprove by my own experience, not what you can call knowledge based on a fact, as they seem to represent such new directions from many sources such as dreams, odd synchronicities, etc. The way i feel it it is like more of an honest leap of faith, total vulnerability, as the new directions, messages, etc., bring such new scenarios. At the some point it is very difficult to make a clear distinction between what is real, what is a message, and what is a belief or delusion even by trying to exercise basic common sense...
I also noticed that saturn is also conjunct uranus south node (and for many pluto in libra generation, also conjunct natal Neptune), so what can that be adding at this moment in time? More pressing on the new structures or otherwise the natural cataclysmic consequences? Strong focus on facing longtime spiritual delusions?
Hope you can share your thoughts on this.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Helena,
"So my question is, integrating it to my own context right now going through a strong uranus transit (hope this is a general topic also for the MB), the repetitive messages that uranus brings are, as jWG taught, and i can comprove by my own experience, not what you can call knowledge based on a fact, as they seem to represent such new directions from many sources such as dreams, odd synchronicities, etc. The way i feel it it is like more of an honest leap of faith, total vulnerability, as the new directions, messages, etc., bring such new scenarios. At the some point it is very difficult to make a clear distinction between what is real, what is a message, and what is a belief or delusion even by trying to exercise basic common sense..."
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This thread is about skipped steps, and what I posted is also about skipped steps. What you are asking about is not about skipped steps. You are asking about the Uranus archetype as it applies to generating messages from the Soul about the possible evolution forwards for it by way of the repeating messages that peculate up into the conscious, egocentric, awareness of the individual. This has nothing to do with skipped steps. It is entirely different. We had started a thread on this, a Uranus thread, that was focused on PTSD sometime ago.
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"I also noticed that saturn is also conjunct uranus south node (and for many pluto in libra generation, also conjunct natal Neptune), so what can that be adding at this moment in time? More pressing on the new structures or otherwise the natural cataclysmic consequences? Strong focus on facing longtime spiritual delusions?"
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Again, this is a different issue than what this thread is intended to be: skipped steps. The Saturn transit on all or our S.Nodes of Uranus correlates the very nature of the various 'beliefs' that any given Soul has had in their prior lives that have been brought forwards into the current life that permeate the individuated unconscious of any given Soul, and how they still affect how any given Soul is interpreting actual reality in every dimensions of it's life. The interpretation of any given event of fact of it's life is then 'projected' upon that event or fact.
Collectively, this same transit correlates to the same thing but at a collective level. In essence, the man made projections of beliefs, religions, philosophies upon all that is Natural: Natural Laws. And, because of this, the past, present, and future traumas and cataclysms that occur in all kinds of ways because of the perversion to those natural laws that affect us all including the Natural Laws that govern the Earth itself. These made up religions etc have, do, and will determine how the collective consciousness, Neptune, is organized and structured that serve as the basis of how people organize themselves individually and collectively in every way. Thus, what is actually delusional versus what is real. The sad 'fact' is that which is actually delusional is considered as fact by so many. The very nature of what is occurring on our Earth, in every country, speaks to this sad TRUTH.
God Bless, Rad
Hi again Rad,
thank you for clarifying that up and sorry for the mixed topics.
I guess i brought up this uranus questions because uranus itself is transiting my own skipped step, hence the personal confusion, but i see that is another question :)
Thank you a looking forward to the thread.
All the Best,
Helena
All,
We will continue on Wednesday, the 15th. Again, we will be starting very, very simply so that those who are not that familiar with EA can understand the principles involved. We will progressively become ever more detailed so that a comprehensive understanding by all of us can take place. We will simply start with 'what is a skipped step in EA, and how to see it in the birth chart. As we progress we will discuss how to resolve those skipped steps, the EA of it, with a progressive understanding of all the dynamics with an individual's birth chart that have contributed to the skipped steps.
In this thread we will also talk about how to see, understand, and resolve the skipped steps that may have taken place in the relationships with others in our lives, and our lives in theirs: the synastry charts between any two people. What those skipped steps have been, why, and how to resolve. We will also view this from the point of view of composite charts because if there are skipped steps in a synastry chart between two people that will be of course reflected in their composite chart. The composite chart will then correlate to how they, together, resolve those skipped steps, and how each individual, together, relate too and respond to those skipped steps.
Along the way we will of course have examples, and we will allow for those who are actually participating in this thread to share, if they want too, their own stories about the skipped steps in their own lives, birth charts, so that we may learn in the most comprehensive way we can about skipped steps.
God Bless, Rad
Rad, thank you for starting out simply on the skipped steps topic. I notice I am not the only newbie here. Thanks also to everyone else who regularly contributes to the MB. It's much appreciated.
Hi dollydaydream,
Your welcome.
God Bless, Rad
Hi All,
We will continue now by starting very simply. When any planet squares the Lunar Nodal Axis in the birth chart this is called a 'skipped step' in Evolutionary Astrology. What this means is that the Soul has been flip flopping back and forth between fully actualizing all the archetypal dynamics that are symbolized in the houses and signs they are within. For evolution to proceed for the Soul these skipped steps must be resolved.
As we develop further this thread will will explore the causes and reasons that any given Soul has had to create this evolutionary and karmic conditions for themselves. Right now we just need to understand the basic issue of what skipped steps are, and how to see them in the birth chart.
Attached are two charts that illustrate the archetype of skipped steps using Pluto squaring the Nodes to do so.
With Pluto square the nodal axis, the individual is in a unique evolutionary situation. The individual is equally torn between issues pertaining to the past and issues pertaining to the future. This division exists in each moment in the individual's life. This karmic/evolutionary condition indicates that the individual has neither succeeded in totally resolving or learning the issues pertaining to his or her evolutionary past (desires), nor the issues reflected through the North Node. Because Pluto is square both Nodes the issues pertaining to each have been acted upon prior to this life. Yet neither has been totally developed, understood, resolved, or integrated. The individual is upon an extremely important evolutionary threshold. The choices that the individual makes relative to his or her desires are extremely critical, as they concern the evolutionary journey and progression.
The individual is simultaneously attracted and repulsed by the issues, orientations and lessons of both Nodes. The skipped steps apply in both areas. Until the individual consciously understands the lessons and how to approach and develop them, the behavior will alternately express the orientations implied by the South and North Nodes.
The polarity point of Pluto applies in this situation. Remember in EA the evolutionary journey of the Soul in the birth chart starts with an understanding of it's natal position by house and sign, and the polarity point for it by it's own house and sign. This is always the bottom line in all birth charts. This polarity point must be activated to begin the integration and resolution of this evolutionary condition of skipped steps. The factors to check for are these:
(1) If Pluto applies to the South Node, then the polarity point of Pluto and the North Node, with its planetary ruler, must be integrated through the South Node. The individual will have a consistent "˜bottom line' upon which the evolutionary intentions described by Pluto's polarity point and the North Node and its planetary ruler, can be continually referred. Thus the South Node, and its planetary ruler, will transmute into new levels of expression.
(2) When Pluto applies to the North Node, then the polarity point of Pluto and the South Node with its planetary ruler must be integrated through the North Node, with its ruling planet facilitating the process. In the same way, the individual will have a bottom line upon which the evolutionary intentions described by Pluto's polarity point, and the South Node and its planetary ruler, can be continually referred. The North Node, and its planetary ruler, can then evolve into new levels of expression.
Due to the retrograde motion of the Nodes IT IS THE NODE THAT LAST FORMED A CONJUNCTION TO A PLANET SQUARING THE NODES THAT IS THE NODE THAT SERVES AS THE BASIS TO CONSISTENTLY INTEGRATE the skipped steps symbolized by a planet squaring the Lunar Nodes. In our example now we are using the planet Pluto to illustrate this.
If you have any questions please ask them of me now.
God Bless, Rad
To enlarge the charts simply click on the 'jpg' for each of them
Hi Rad and Everyone,
How I have been determining what node is the resolution node is by imagining myself standing on the planet squaring the nodes facing toward the center of the chart, then it will always be the node to my left? I think I read that technique on this MB, is that correct?
Rad also everything that you stated above in your last post on skipped steps applies to any planet squaring the nodes not just Pluto? Is that correct?
One other question and I'm not sure if I'm going ahead here but is there any special notation or circumstance when the planet squaring the nodes is the resolution nodes ruler?
I'm not new to EA have studied for many years but I am having an extremely hard time assimilating all the archetypes... So I hope it's ok for me to clarify this way...
Thank you for doing this thread it's very fascinating to me as well as I feel it to be so pivotal to Soul Healing...
Heather
Hi,
I've just started following this thread and look forward to reading along.
Blessings,
Emily
Hi Heather,
"How I have been determining what node is the resolution node is by imagining myself standing on the planet squaring the nodes facing toward the center of the chart, then it will always be the node to my left? I think I read that technique on this MB, is that correct?"
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Yes
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"Rad also everything that you stated above in your last post on skipped steps applies to any planet squaring the nodes not just Pluto? Is that correct?"
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Yes
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"One other question and I'm not sure if I'm going ahead here but is there any special notation or circumstance when the planet squaring the nodes is the resolution nodes ruler?"
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Yes, but that is getting ahead just now. Here is a link though to a thread we did a long time ago on skipped steps that answers all kinds of questions like you have just asked: https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,653.0.html
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"I'm not new to EA have studied for many years but I am having an extremely hard time assimilating all the archetypes... So I hope it's ok for me to clarify this way..."
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Sure Heather .... it is just fine.
God Bless, Rad
Ok thank you Rad
Heather
All,
We will continue on next Tuesday on September 20th.
God Bless, Rad
All,
Ok, so we will continue on. And, again, this next step will be very, very simple because of those who are coming here to learn about EA, and are relatively new to it. We will progressively become ever more comprehensive and detailed as we move along. So for those who are relatively new please ask questions if you have them. And for those who are more advanced in EA please bear with us as we move through this step by step.
So right now let's create a simple example of skipped steps in a birth chart. We will use a simple example by putting Venus in the 7th, the S.Node in the 4th, and the N.North Node in the 10th.
With the S.Node in the 4th ONE of the core evolutionary desires of such a Soul is to learn how to become secure, emotionally secure, from within itself so that external dependencies can be eliminated.
With the N.Node in the 10th this then correlates with a Soul who is desiring to become emotionally mature, and an adult who is responsible for it's own actions versus being emotionally immature, 4th house, thus blaming others for that which is is responsible for. Within this to integrate into the world, the society of birth, not only as an adult, but with a work function or career in place that symbolizes and reflects that the Soul has indeed become an adult: to walk out the door on it's own two feet.
With Venus being in the 7th house relative to the S.Node in the 4th this would correlate to a Soul in prior lives who in fact was projecting those 4th House emotional dynamics to feel secure from within upon partners: the partners becoming expected defacto or displaced parents who provide the emotional security of the child when the child is a child.
In so doing such partners would inevitably leave such a Soul because of the unending emotional demands by such a Soul: the giving of the 7th house in this way would never be enough. Such partners would cyclically withdraw their emotions, their own reality, from this Soul because this Soul has designed for itself to learn how to become secure from within itself: to become an adult. Thus, this Soul is responsible for creating such relationships dynamics: the N.Node in the 10th. In essence, when the partners withdraw from this Soul the intent is to force the Soul back in upon itself.
This then creates the skipped steps with the partners created in this way, and the skipped steps of needing to become secure from within itself. Coming into the current life is thus symbolized by the Venus in the 7th, squaring the Nodes in the 4th and 10th.
These dynamics keep repeating UNTIL the Soul finally 'gets' it. The resolution Node here is the S.Node in the 4th House: the Node that last formed a conjunction with Venus. When the Soul then finally learns how to supply it's own emotional needs from with itself, to supply it's own needs in general through itself, then they will stop projecting such dynamics upon their partners. When this happens the repeating of the key relationships with former partners will finally evolve: they will be able to move forwards in their relationships. In the end, this Soul will evolve to a place in which it's orientation and attitude towards partners becomes one of 'I want to be with you simply because I do, not because I need too'.
If you have any questions please ask them of me now.
God Bless, Rad
All clear so far. Thanks.
Hi All,
An important note that Rad pointed out that I wanted to remind everyone of, as this cannot be stressed enough, especially when working with clients who are experiencing relationship realities such as this, is that the Soul CHOOSES these dynamics for their own evolution.
The 4th house lessons can be the toughest of all as it relates to the Soul's inner personal reality and it can be easy to feel victimized when being thrown back upon oneself over and over, or ending up in relationships where whatever is going out is not coming back in equal measure, which is so commonly a result of a Venus 'expectation' that is not being met. Whenever expectation drives the giving, it will inevitably lead to a let down. "When we expect, we don't get."
Also in EA JWG teaches that we can only evolve through the emotional body initiated via the water trinity, Cancer(4th house), Scorpio, Pisces ~ so this root emotion must be cultivated thoroughly, which involves the inner side of Venus being developed, ones inner relationship to itself.
Great example here Rad, thanks!
Kristin
Hi All,
I would like to offer some further thoughts on the nature of skipped steps, and how it can manifest in people's lives. One of the trickiest, and as a result, the most challenging turns one experiences when working through skipped steps is the feeling that the Soul has resolved what it has needed to, only to come to discover there are remaining remnants of more which is similar to pulling a weed out of the ground, and not getting all the way down to the bottom of its roots, it will undoubtedly return.
The Soul can be under the illusion that they are done, because in truth, the Soul may really desire to be done, but if there is anything left, it will keep repeating whether they want it to be done or not. It will always reveal the truth of where the Soul sits in this process. In other words, if the skipped steps are truly resolved the Soul will simply not create any further circumstances which reflect what those skipped steps have been about. If such circumstances continue to manifest, in one form or way after the other, then those skipped steps have not been resolved. This can be very, very tricky because of the previous dynamics within the Soul that have caused the skipped steps in the first place.
Also, almost inevitably, when any Soul experiences a quantum leap in their personal evolution, a true feeling of release from the hard past, there will be something on the heels of the good growth that tries to undermine the positive steps taken. This in itself becomes yet another challenge. While this occurs for all Souls whether one is dealing with skipped steps or not, this experience can be particularly intense for someone with this signature because the groove in the record of resistance can be so deep, and the tendency to fall back on old patterns can be so tempting and fierce. Self determination will be essential and must become the Soul's front line of attack, especially when the Soul feels like forward steps taken may feel to be lost. It is in those moments when the Soul turns and faces the TRUTH of what it needs, with the inner gates wide open, that an acceleration of the Soul's evolution can take place, a true freedom feeling like no other.
It is important to remember that everything unresolved will be carried forward. If the Soul is not successful in getting all the way under the repeating theme, which will require the individual to EMOTIONALLY work all the way through this dynamic, it will be carried into the next, which is why it can take lifetimes to work through.
As it relates to the example that Rad shared here with Venus in the 7th square the Nodes, South Node in the 4th and North Node in the 10th, this Soul will continue to pull in relationships where they are forever feeling thrown back upon themselves, also in cases where they may feel they are giving more than they are getting, and that painful feeling of 'expectations not met' presents let down after let down. This Soul has set this up so they are forced to inwardly mature, to establish their own inner sense of security versus feeling as if thy need to be filled up by another, leaning too heavily on parents or partners for sustenance, comfort, and support.
The very nature of the type of Soul this person will be attracting will force this theme to repeat BECAUSE of the very energy of NEED that the Soul is emanating. The Soul has no choice but to look TO and lean ON themselves. In time, through repeated experiences along these lines, the inner growth can occur as the Soul creates a new groove for itself, the Soul turns IN for strength versus looking OUTside of themselves for someone to complete them or to fix a feeling.
The true marker of knowing that growth has been gained in this case is for the Soul to carry an energy that says, "I do not need you to feel happy or whole, I am whole unto myself, I am here because I want to be, not out of need." At this point, the types of relationships this Soul would then be pulling in will be rooted far more in equality, because of the inner balance that has been established. While the balance does not occur over night, so too will this Soul be experiencing a progression of evolution in terms of the nature of the relationships that they call in.
If that same old theme stops repeating, the Soul will know it is well on its way.
Peace,
Kristin
Kristin, thank you for the further clarification of skipped steps.
All,
We will continue in our thread tomorrow Sept 27th: Tuesday.
God Bless, Rad
All,
The next step in our understanding of skipped steps is to examine the planetary rulers, by house, sign, and aspects, of both the South and North Nodes. The location of these planetary rulers correlate to the dynamics that the Soul has created that have lead too the skip steps that are symbolized in the house and sign location of the Lunar Nodes themselves.
In our simple example we had the South and North Nodes in the 4th and 10th house, and they were square Venus in the 7th House. We can now example dynamics that have lead to those skipped steps by putting the South Node ruler in the 11th House, and the North Node ruler in the 8th House.
Dynamics in the 11th House that could have lead to the skipped steps could, for example, be various circumstances that the Soul has created to enforce the underlying Soul intention of learning the 4th House evolutionary lesson of to be secure from within itself, and to minimize external dependencies. Such circumstances could be various types of traumas: 11th House. Such traumas could be being born through a mother or father in which one or both desired to have a baby of the opposite gender that the Soul actually chose to be born into. The initial imprinting for the baby upon birth is one of rejection. Another example could be being born into parents, by the Soul's choice, in which the parents we in some kind of trauma within their own relationship that then caused the Soul be to dislocated from the parents of birth. This dislocation could be being given to one of the child's set of grandparents for example. Another could be being simply given a way to anyone who wanted to raise the child. This could include children's homes. Yet another example is one or both parents having emotionally and psychological reactions to the Soul at birth that were defined by their feeling that the child was so 'different' from them that they could not bond with the child. Within this could be that fact that the mother got pregnant by another man and did not tell her husband, or the subsequent child about this fact.
In these simple examples we can see the dynamics that operate as causes, causative factors, manifesting through the 4th House that have lead to the emotional skipped steps that can then be projected upon the partners in the 7th House Venus.
With the planetary ruler of the N.Node being in the 8th House the Soul has thus felt abandoned, that it's need to create trust with others has been violated, that the core love and acceptance that ANY CHILD NATURALLY EXPECTS FROM THEIR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS has been arrested. As the Soul grows older these arrested emotions, the natural emotions of needing to feel love and acceptance, becomes intensified with the Soul structure itself. Combined with the planetary ruler of the S.Node in the 11th these displaced emotions, the psychology of them, become projected upon and through the 7th House Venus leading the the skipped steps in our example. The Soul through these displaced emotions rooted in some kind of trauma could then become extremely, 7th house Venus, psychologically demanding, manipulative, and explosive towards others in general, and their intimate others specifically.
This understanding can be applied to all charts in which you see the signature of skipped steps, and your won chart if you have them in your birth chart.
Before we continue on please ask me if you have any questions based on what we have discussed to this point.
God Bless, Rad
In the context of intimate relationships, could this also lead to a person who, when sensing the other is withdrawing or not engaging fully in the relationship, will suddenly bail out of that relationship in order to feel that they have some element of control, to pre-emt being left, so they won't feel abandoned again?
Yes .......
All,
We will continue tomorrow Oct 4th: Tuesday. Our next step will be to understand when the signature of skipped steps in an individual's chart is placed in the birth chart of another: synastry.
God Bless, Rad
All,
So we will now continue on with our understanding of skipped steps as they apply between two people: the synastry chart.
To understand synastry charts between two people it is essential to have a deep understanding of each individual, and the dynamics within them that are the determinants of the realities they have been creating. We have been making a very simple example in this thread of the skipped step signature as above: the South Node in the 4th, it's planetary ruler in the 11th, the N.Node in the 10th, and it's planetary ruler in the 8th House. And those Nodes are square the Venus in the 7th.
So now let's place that signature in anothers chart, and example, very simply, how the skipped steps of that individual has affected and impacted on that other person that has then caused skipped steps between those two people. Let's remember that the synastry charts between two people correlate with how the individual dynamics within each person INTERACT TOGETHER in whatever the nature is of the relationship between those two people.
So let's place the skipped step signature we have been exampling by putting the S.Node in the others 5th House, the N.Node in the 11th, and the Venus in the 8th House. The 5th House, as an archetype, is how any of us go about creatively actualizing our underlying sense of purpose for the life that we are living. Of itself it correlates to how Souls become full of themselves, so to speak. In so doing it correlates to a necessary self centerdness, a need within the Soul to be in charge of it's own life: destiny. In this way, the Soul also needs the support and feedback of others that serve as guideposts that allow the Soul to keep actualizing it's ongoing sense of purpose and meaning for it's life.
By placing the S.Node of the person's whom we have been exampling in this others 5th House, the 5th House person would be taking in this person as a wounded child emotionally who required a tremendous amount of energy and attention because of the emotional and psychological demands that have occurred because of the existing skipped steps within that person. This other person may in fact do all that it can to give to that person all that they can to help them creatively actualize their own sense of being, their sense of purpose, to give them what they need. Yet because of the unresolved skipped steps that giving would never be enough from point of view of the one with the displaced emotions from their childhood.
The emotional and psychological demands would be like a bottomless pit from the point of view of this other person. With the S.Node of the skipped step person being in the other person's 5th House the skipped step person would expect TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION ALL THE TIME: to be the center of the universe for the 5th house person. Necessarily, because of the nature of the 5th House, this other person would cyclically withdraw all the giving it has been doing on behalf of the skipped step person.
When that would happen the skipped step person would then feel traumatized: the N.Node in the 11th House of this other person. That nature of those kinds of cyclic traumas of not being given too in the way that the skipped steps person was demanding and expecting, the Venus squaring the Nodes and being in the other persons 8th House, could have caused them to form relationships with the other persons friends: the N.Node in the 11th. In essence the original displaced emotions for the childhood of the skipped step person become intensified when the other person cyclically withdraws, and then becomes projected on the others friends: the displaced emotional needs expecting them to meet those needs because of the bottomless pit of those displaced needs.
With the Venus in the others 8th House it would have been very possible, likely, that the skipped step person would then sexualize, secretly, some of those relationships formed with the others friends.
Of course when the other person would learn of these secret relationships this would have caused tremendous confrontations with the skipped step person as well as those 'friends' that could have led to ending the relationships outright. Thus, skipped steps have been created between this other person and the skipped step person that we have been exampling, not to mention some of those 'friends' that the other person had had in other lifetimes.
Yet, because of the other person relative to their own 5th house, would also expect and need to receive the necessary emotional and psychological attention, support, and caring that they had been giving to the skipped step person. With the skipped step person, because of the displaced emotions from their childhood, expecting to receive all the support, attention, and 'love' all the time this of course created an very imbalanced dynamic between them. The other person then could have also sought out other relationships in order to receive what they also needed. Those other relationships could have been the friends of the skipped step person and/or the friends of the other person itself. In this way the other person may have sexualized one or more of those relationships just as the skipped step person had: secretly.
Thus, the confrontations that would occur, the psychological and emotional explosions that would result in the termination of the relationship between the other person and the skipped step person also lead to the skipped steps between the.
Because of those existing skipped steps between that other person and the skipped step person that we have been exampling they would pick up their relationship where it had been left off in the most previous past life.
When we continue we will pick this up: how to resolve those skipped steps relative to the signature that we have been exampling.
If you have any questions please ask them of me know.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
i find it very helpful to re-read the posts for a while until some word or expression finally "unblocks" the meaning of it, so i have some questions also about the earlier steps, hope that is ok.
So, in the example you gave would it be any different if the north node was the last making the conjunction? In that case could we say that, for instance, there was an abuse of authority or social position and power over others in which the soul had a relationship, maybe friends, all based on issues to resolve over self-reliance, emotional security? I'm trying to understand how to make the right approach/interconnection on the NN, SN and Skipped Step as a whole as they now seem much more as dynamic issue than previous to this thread.
Also Rad, in synastry, i would like to ask your opinion and EA perspective on the specific condition were person A has planets square the nodes of person B but also are making an opposition to person B skipped step planet, creating a grand cross. From one perspective, these planets are on the "polarity point" of the skipped planet, so would that be a consideration, meaning resolution, or just developmental stressing the planet?
And if person A planets are the sun and other planet there is an element repeating from the past and a new situation (sun) emerging in the present?
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Helena,
"So, in the example you gave would it be any different if the north node was the last making the conjunction?"
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Yes because, first, that would mean that the Venus would be in the 1st house, not the 7th. And that the N.Node would be serving as the vehicle to integrate what the skipped steps have been about.
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"In that case could we say that, for instance, there was an abuse of authority or social position and power over others in which the soul had a relationship, maybe friends, all based on issues to resolve over self-reliance, emotional security? I'm trying to understand how to make the right approach/interconnection on the NN, SN and Skipped Step as a whole as they now seem much more as dynamic issue than previous to this thread."
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That would certainly be a possibility within the symbolism starting with the N.Node in the 10th House. With the S.Node in the 4th, Venus in the 1st, the typical dynamics/ archetypes involving the skipped steps would correlate to a Soul who had been desiring to access their emotional bodies, emotions, and pure emotions versus the existing repression/ suppression of those emotions that the Soul has been doing in order to control itself: and thus others with the Venus square to the Nodes. The Soul's sense of emotional / psychological security would be rooted in the need to control itself, and others which has created psychological and emotional frustration and anger not only within the Soul itself, but others that it had formed relationships too of various duration's in time. Thus, the skipped steps within itself, and the relationships it had formed with others, are caused because of this. There is much more of course but this will give you and example of the difference that you are asking about.
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"Also Rad, in synastry, i would like to ask your opinion and EA perspective on the specific condition were person A has planets square the nodes of person B but also are making an opposition to person B skipped step planet, creating a grand cross. From one perspective, these planets are on the "polarity point" of the skipped planet, so would that be a consideration, meaning resolution, or just developmental stressing the planet?"
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It would correlate to dynamics that have caused both person A and B to oppose, block, the necessity of resolving whatever the skipped steps have been about: to oppose the resolution after efforts have been made to resolve. Within this that those planets of person A opposing person's B's planet that is forming the square to it's Nodes are dynamics that directly correlate to what the skipped steps have been between them.
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"And if person A planets are the sun and other planet there is an element repeating from the past and a new situation (sun) emerging in the present?"
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Yes.
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God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
this that you wrote "Yes because, first, that would mean that the Venus would be in the 1st house, not the 7th" made laugh at myself a lot because intuitively (and after much work!) i've arrived at a conclusion that had a pretty obvious answer :)
Thank you for taking the patience to point out the issues with such simplicity and objectivity, as i guess a natal mercury in pisces really appreciates...
Also Rad, in the synastry case (and your observation is very truthful and spot on in the existing reality) why is it, i mean the evolutionary intention to create such a situation, that when both contribute to blocking and resolution, only one person (B) as the natal signature of skipped steps and the charts of neither person A or composite between the two have planets square the nodes?
Not wanting to go to far here because it's next in the thread.. But what points to the resolution in the synastry chart? Or is it up to person B to deal with the resolution of it's own skipped steps by its own, and that by itself is the possible resolution?
Thanks again,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Also Rad, in the synastry case (and your observation is very truthful and spot on in the existing reality) why is it, i mean the evolutionary intention to create such a situation, that when both contribute to blocking and resolution, only one person (B) as the natal signature of skipped steps and the charts of neither person A or composite between the two have planets square the nodes?
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Person B is the one who has the specific signature of skipped steps: not person A if that person does not have the skipped steps signature in their chart. Thus, the skipped steps of person B are their own: not person A's. The skipped steps of person B would be rooted in all the dynamics symbolized that go beyond person A. Person A then simply becomes a reflection of what those skipped steps are rooted in the Soul of person B. The fact that person A is contributing to the blocking or resolving of the skipped steps of person B is simply a symbol of what person B has been doing within their own Soul. In essence person A is an 'outpicturing' of that resistance that has been taking place within person B.
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"Not wanting to go to far here because it's next in the thread.. But what points to the resolution in the synastry chart? Or is it up to person B to deal with the resolution of it's own skipped steps by its own, and that by itself is the possible resolution?"
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Yes, it is entirely up to person B to resolve within their own Soul the dynamics that have caused the skipped steps: thus the resolution. As in any relationship between two people there are of course other issues and dynamics that are taking place that are themselves determinants of why they are in a relationship of any kind in the first place.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you very much Rad,
really important to know that.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Yes, it is. Also, I should have mentioned that the skipped steps can in fact be created IN THIS LIFE between both of them: a core meaning of person A's planet in opposition to person B's planet that is squaring it's nodal axis. There always has to be a 'first time' for anything.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Yes, i hope i can understand this correctly.. I went to re-read on Pluto 2 where JWG mentions the importance to analyse the synastry charts with respect to composite pluto and nodal axis also, and related to what you already mentioned and skipped steps.
Can i ask if there is any other consideration to take when personal planets square the composite pluto and nodal axis?
Would it be any different if, in that case when the composite chart itself has no planets squaring the nodes (only asteroid Juno), person A planets are square composite pluto and nodal axis and person B skipped step, person B does not have planets square composite nodal axis, and skipped step planet squares composite pluto (composite pluto is closely conjunct composite NN)?
Or is it all just contributing to confirm what you already mentioned? Meaning, a skipped signature in the natal chart has the resolution 'key' by itself? If yes, it certainly ads much to the importance of the responsibility to do so and the urgency in the consciousness of it... And also why evolutionary astrology can be of such great help to many people who indeed have this signature.
And Rad, i'm absolutely grateful for the time you take to answer all this questions and also aware the MB is not about personal questions, so if this is somehow more than enough about the subject on skipped steps in synastry, my anticipated apologies.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Helena,
"Can i ask if there is any other consideration to take when personal planets square the composite pluto and nodal axis? Would it be any different if, in that case when the composite chart itself has no planets squaring the nodes (only asteroid Juno), person A planets are square composite pluto and nodal axis and person B skipped step, person B does not have planets square composite nodal axis, and skipped step planet squares composite pluto (composite pluto is closely conjunct composite NN)?"
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As JWG taught about composite charts the individual's birth chart as it interacts with that composite chart correlates with how that individual is relating to the relationship as a unit, the 'us-ness' that we all have when in relationship to another person. As I said before about person A and the planets that are interacting with the skipped steps symbolized in person B's chart the real possibility of creating skipped steps exist between A and B IN THIS LIFE in that symbolism. This is then perfectly reflected, symbolized, person's A planets that are square the composite nodal axis. The squares you are asking about correlate to the high degree of intensity and stress between person A and B that correlates with the necessary evolutionary journey for them both as they interact together in the relationship. The Pluto conjunct the N.Node in the composite, relative to the other symbols and in the context of the synastry, correlates to one or both Souls, at times or consistently, trying to rush ahead in the relationship without dealing with all that need can in fact lead to creating skipped steps in the relationship together.
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"Or is it all just contributing to confirm what you already mentioned? Meaning, a skipped signature in the natal chart has the resolution 'key' by itself? If yes, it certainly ads much to the importance of the responsibility to do so and the urgency in the consciousness of it... And also why evolutionary astrology can be of such great help to many people who indeed have this signature."
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Yes, and it is important to know exactly that.
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"And Rad, i'm absolutely grateful for the time you take to answer all this questions and also aware the MB is not about personal questions, so if this is somehow more than enough about the subject on skipped steps in synastry, my anticipated apologies."
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It is OK Helena because I can feel your sincere desire to know and learn this stuff which is why I am trying to help. The questions you asking are very, very relevant questions that all can learn from in any case. We will be developing this thread ever more, and there are all kinds of variable, such as in the questions you have asked, that need to be discussed.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
yes, it is true, because from what i know this is last of many lifetimes going without solving it (just the synastry itself mirrors the opposition you talk about with one occupying exactly the void space in the other's chart and vice versa), so just the thought of creating even more to solve is devastating.
But on the other hand it was going through this experience that got me to ask the right questions and search for answers that led me know evolutionary astrology.
Also, it is quite amazing that in my own chart right now transiting jupiter has just made a conjunction to natal lucifer in the first house, so i definitely know from where the light God is coming through (or truth), so a big thank you Rad!
All the best,
Helena
Hello. I am new at this forum and have a question regarding skipped steps. Is there any significance in the Lord of PPP (Neptune with PPP in 9th hse Pieces) being the skipped step and also conjunct Sun(ruler of resolution node-SN). Neptune and Sun are in the 5th of Saggitarius and further closely sextile Pluto&Moon in Virgo(3rd).
I only know that both parts of the nodal axis and their lords need be attended to. North Node ruler Uranus is also in 3rd but in Libra.
Hi Priya,
First, welcome to the message board. There is no special significance to any planet square the nodal axis because any planet square the nodal axis correlates to the same thing: skipped steps that the soul needs to recover in order to continue on it's evolutionary journey. The signature that you are asking about correlates to what that is, why that is, and how to go about resolving it.
God Bless, Rad
All,
We will continue on in the next day or two: very, very busy just now.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you, Rad, for the welcome & reply despite your busy schedule. Much appreciated.
Priya
All,
I thought a good thing to do right now is to post, from an earlier thread on the message board, the questions that many had asked about the possible variables to understand relative to skipped steps. Please read through all this so that you can understand the different variable that can occur. If you have questions of your own about possible variables that are not addressed here please ask them of me.
God Bless, Rad
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PLANETS SQUARE NODAL AXIS - SKIPPED STEPS
Pluto squaring the Nodal Axis and Evolutionary Stage - 1
(Q): I have observed that many individuals who have Pluto squaring the Nodes have de-evolved from higher evolutionary stages. Meaning they reached in past lives a certain stage of evolution but either misused their position or have evolved "too fast" and now need to go back to rebuild foundations of their value system (relating to the house and signs involved). Do you have any opinion on this; do you believe this could apply to Pluto conjuncting either node?
(A): Yes, your observations are correct. This can also be the case when Pluto is conjunct the South Node, but I have not observed this in relation to Pluto conjunct the North Node.
Pluto Squaring the Nodal Axis and Evolutionary Stage - 2
(Q): Is it possible that Pluto, the planet squaring the nodes in the skipped steps dynamic, could also reflect a soul who, for this particular life, has chosen to "block" to some extent the level of evolution it has attained prior to this life for deeper reasons and not because of de-evolution or misuse of whatever? And within this, at some point in the current life the individual becomes 'unblocked' and 'recovers' a vast recollection of awareness within its consciousness that was inconceivable to itself prior to the unblocking. If this is the case, could you please supply an example which examines this dynamic relevant to the Soul's intention and evolution?
I would like to have a general understanding in your words. I have given some thought to possible reasons why such a condition would exist relative to the overall intent of a chart's aspects/dynamics. I understand that from time to time even "Masters" choose conditions not unlike this idea in some life or other to recover the specific destiny and purpose on Earth, which necessitated reincarnating under these conditions in the first place.
(A): Yes. This is possible and is reflected in the Pluto square the nodes, which is the very nature of the skipped steps in the example/question you have posed. I know of no examples, however, to give you on this this specific point.
Pluto Squaring the Nodal Axis - 3
(Q): 1. A planet squaring the nodal axis indicates skipped steps. If I understand correctly, neither area is thoroughly developed or integrated within the Soul, and the Soul needs to recover those skipped steps so that evolution can proceed.
On the correspondence school tapes you said that the node that last formed a conjunction with the planet squaring the nodal axis has to be developed consistently. Ulrich taught us in Hamburg in 1997 that you simply pretend to stand on the planet squaring the nodal axis and look into the center of the zodiac, then you look to the node that is to the left of the planet. This node is the "node of solution" (the node which last formed a conjunction to the planet squaring the nodal axis). For example, the node which last formed the conjunction with the planet squaring the nodal axis is the south node (and its planetary ruler in house and sign): did I get you right, that the planet squaring the nodal axis and the node of solution (for example the south node) show you, what the intentions of the soul are, in order to bring these ambivalent themes together, so that the soul has the opportunity to develop the polarity point of Pluto?
In past lives the soul itself wasn`t able to develop the polarity point of Pluto because of those skipped steps, so the soul has to go through this flip-flopping again to become "whole" and to cure the old dynamics through the repeating. Did I understand you right, that as soon as you develop the node of solution (e.g. south node) you move forwards in order to develop the polarity point of Pluto? But what happens with the other node, e.g., the north node? Will it be cured by living the south node (as the solution node), or do I have to relive the north node with the dynamics of the south node?
2. On the 7th Pluto School tape you talked about Yogananda, who has Venus in Aries in the 11th house squaring the nodal axis of the Moon, with the North Node in Cancer in the first house conjunct Pluto and the South Node in Capricorn in the seventh house. When looking at Venus, I noticed that the South Node in Capricorn last formed a conjunction with Venus, so the South Node in Capricorn would actually be the resolution node. But, you said the North Node was the solution. Why? Is it because Pluto is conjunct the North Node in Cancer in the first? Does this mean that normally the node that last formed a conjunction to the planet squaring the nodal axis is the solution (the node which is consistently developed), but if Pluto conjuncts the North Node, then the solution is the North Node, its ruler and Pluto, and all the other special provisions/exceptions are unimportant?
(A) 1. I'm quite confused by your question because it appears that you have included different dynamics within the same question. In all cases when the North Node is the node that last formed a conjunction to the planet that squares the nodal axis, then the North Node is the one that is consistently used as the integration point for the South Node and its planetary ruler. The issue here is one of consistency versus the old pattern of fluctuating back and forth between the nodes (the houses that they are in) relative to the base line of the house and sign that the squaring planet itself is in. In all three areas--the planet squaring the node, the houses and signs of the North and South Nodes, and the location of their planetary rulers--have not been consistently developed, causing this fluctuation.
If the node that last formed a conjunction is the South Node, then that is the node that the person must consistently orientate to. This means that the North Node and its planetary ruler are consistently developed via the South Node by house and sign and the location of its planetary ruler. What a planet squaring the nodes means in this example is that the North Node has already been acted upon prior to the current life; thus, it is not 'new.' The person will already be familiar with the dynamics of it. Again, the issue is one of consistency. When Pluto is squaring the nodes, these same principles apply and include its polarity point.
2. The example you cite is not Yogananda; it is the chart of one of his main disciples, Kriyananda. In this case, since Venus squares the nodal axis, the solution for Venus is the South Node because it is the node that last formed a conjunction to Venus. The solution for the South Node itself is the North Node because of the Pluto conjunction to it.
In his actual reality this is the way it played out. In the first part of his life he was a totally dedicated, celibate monk who lived alone (Pluto conjunct the North Node), who finally established his own spiritual community (North Node conjunct Pluto squaring his 11th house Venus in Aries), a community that he put together totally on his own. As this community developed over the years, he became aware that he needed to be in a 'spiritual relationship' in order to show others an example of two people who were married and were pursuing a spiritual life at the same time. The South Node in Capricorn in the 7th house created the 'delay' in this awareness, compounded by the resistance of the planetary ruler of that South Node (Saturn in Scorpio in the 5th house).
He was well into his fifties before he 'opened' up to the need to complete his own 'skipped steps', but he then did get married. He got married only after establishing himself and his lifestyle, plus the community (Pluto conjunct the North Node in Cancer in the 1st squaring Venus in Aries in the 11th). Only after that did he orientate his consciousness to relationship (Venus squaring the South Node in Capricorn in the 7th); yet this was done in the context of his existing life within the community.
Skipped Steps
(Q): When two planets are in opposition and both square the nodal axis, what rule applies to consistently integrate the skipped steps? Both the South and North Nodes and their rulers by houses, signs and aspects? Also, when the transiting Pluto aspects this opposition, activating recovery of skipped steps, does that same "rule" apply for recovery? (North Node and South Node and their rulers, by houses, signs and aspects)?
(A): First, you must determine which node(s) last formed a conjunction to the planet(s).
In the case where the squaring planets and the nodes of consistent development are not the same, i.e., the South Node last formed a conjunction to a planet on one end of the opposition and the North Node last formed a conjunction to the planet at the other end of the opposition, then you have a situation where both nodes are being developed simultaneously. This usually creates the life experience where the past always seems like the future, and the future seems like the past, although one. But that is the karmic/evolutionary resolution. When the transiting Pluto is aspecting these nodes, then the above rules apply.
Nodes With Conjunction and Skipped Step
(Q): Is Mars conjunct the South Node in a natal or composite an intent to relive a past life scenario once again?
(A): Yes.
(Q): Saturn is retrograde in the first house and squares the retrograde nodal axis, with the South Node in the fourth house and the North Node in the tenth. When looking to the node that last formed a conjunction, because both are Retrograde, would the North Node be the one that should be worked on in this life? The thing that confused me the most is the Retrograde. If only Saturn were retrograde, would the South Node be the one to concentrate on in this incarnation?
(A): For your example I would need to know the signs of Saturn and the nodes. It makes no difference if Saturn, or any other planet, is retrograde when squaring the nodes. We are dealing with the 'mean' motion of the planets; the mean motion of all planets is direct, not retrograde. As an example: if Saturn were retrograde in Taurus square the South Node in Leo and the North Node in Aquarius, then, due to the mean motion of all three points, and keeping in mind that the mean motion for the nodes is retrograde, then the node that would have last formed the conjunction to Saturn would be the North Node in Aquarius.
Resolution of Skipped Steps
(Q): I am trying to figure out how one counsels a client relative to resolution of a skipped step scenario. I've got someone with Pluto in Leo in the 8th house and the South Node in Cancer conjunct the Sun in Leo. Uranus, Jupiter and Mercury are in Cancer. The North Node is in Capricorn in the 1st house squaring a Neptune/Ceres conjunction in Libra (intercepted). Saturn, ruler of the North Node, and Black Moon Lilith are in Scorpio in the 9th (skipped step). The Moon, ruler of the South Node, is in Taurus in the 4th. Lucifer in Aries in the 3rd opposes Neptune.
To resolve the skipped steps indicated by Neptune, Saturn, Ceres and Black Moon Lilith, the resolution point will be the South Node (the last node that applied to these planets), but the integration point for Lucifer would be the North Node.
To do this would one take those skipped planets in the 9th house and analyze all aspects relative to them and the South Node with its planetary stellium and then assess how it could be resolved through positive application via the South Node ruler? For the skipped step indicated by Lucifer in Aries in the third, do I look to the resolution through the North Node in Capricorn in the first and it's planetary ruler, Saturn?
(A): Yes.
(Q): Intellectually I understand the meaning of skipped steps as applied to the Nodal Axis; this nature of going backwards before going forwards. I can also understand circumstances in former lives where the soul would obviously have wanted to depart from South Node conditions and prematurely embrace the North Node reality. However, I am having a hard time absorbing the true significance of such and how this relates to a chart where the Nodal Axis does not have this skipped step dimension.
When is the skipped step chart free from alternating back and forth from the past and future possibilities? Or is that a necessity for the life? While a chart that does not have skipped steps seems to have a more concrete direction to move toward following the first Saturn return, does the skipped step chart have a similar time frame which dictates when those skipped steps should have been recovered, thereby freeing the individual to proceed in a steady forward moving direction?
(A): It is resolved when the individual, in fact, recovers the skipped steps, which is an issue of free choice. Even though evolutionary necessity determines the fate of this pattern, i.e., fated to create a life in which the soul intends to recover the skipped steps, the soul still has the free choice whether it will do so or not. Thus, the timing of such a resolution is determined by the person's choice making.
Again, the real key is to determine which node last formed the conjunction to the planet squaring the nodes. It is this symbol and the location of the node and its planetary ruler and the aspects they're making that must be orientated too consistently which allows for such a resolution.
When one finds a planet on the North Node, relative to a planet(s) squaring the nodes, this means that the person has been working on resolving those skipped steps prior to the current life, yet the skipped steps remain to some extent as 'residual' and/or ongoing issues from the most recent prior lives. Thus, the 'timing' of such a final resolution can tend to occur earlier in the life than otherwise: normally between the ages of 28 and 36. When a planet is on the South Node and there is no planet on the North Node, then the skipped steps generally are in place until the second Saturn return. When there is a planet conjunct both the North Node and the South Node, the resolution can generally take place between 36 years and 56 yrs of age, depending on the choices the individual makes.
Pluto Conjunct The North Node And skipped steps
(Q): When Pluto is conjunct the North Node and you have a planet square the nodal axis with the South Node being the one that last made a conjunction to that planet, do you develop the South Node to recover the skipped steps? Or is everything still funneled through the North Node? How does one integrate the skipped steps in this case?
(A): In this case, the planet squaring the nodes and Pluto, with the South Node last forming the conjunction to the planet making the square, means that even though the person has been trying to make new choices (Pluto conjunct the North Node) relative to old dynamics triggered thru current life circumstances, the process of making the new choices is incomplete. As a result, the dynamics symbolized by the planet/house of the squaring planet and the South Node and its planetary ruler are the 'skipped steps' in terms of those old issues/dynamics that are being triggered through the current life circumstances and are the ones that must be recovered so that the person can again make the effort to make new choices relative to those old dynamics and issues. The new choices correlate to the Pluto/North Node conjunction.
(Q): When a planet squares the nodal axis, regardless of whether or not the nodes are retrograde, would you rotate the nodal axis clockwise to see which node formed the last conjunction to the squaring planet?
(A): Yes.
Skipped Steps, North Node, South Node, Conjunction
(Q): When you have a planet in Scorpio square the nodal axis, indicating a skipped step, then Pluto rules that planet. If Pluto is conjunct the rulers of the North and South Nodes, do you still work toward the polarity point of Pluto for evolution, or would it be the same as if Pluto were conjunct the North Node, i.e., develop the North Node?
(A): You would still work toward the polarity point of Pluto. The only exception would be if the planetary ruler of the South Node were conjunct the planetary ruler of the North Node and both these planets were conjunct the North Node.
Rulers of Planets Square the Nodal Axis
(Q): When a soul has two planets in opposition to each other and square the nodal axis, with the ruler of one of the planets on that planet's own resolution node and the ruler of the other planet also on its planet's resolution node, would that indicate that the skipped steps were worked on prior to this life, but were not completed? If so, would that mean a doubling of the intensity in the recovery of the skipped steps and an emphasized lesson in learning to listen to others relative to those skipped steps (since the rulers of the planets square the nodal axis are opposite each other)?
(A): The answer is yes to all of the above, but you need to determine if the conjunction of each of the ruling planets to the resolution node is a balsamic or new phase. In the case of a balsamic conjunction, the 'skipped steps,' i.e., circumstances in this life that trigger the dynamics associated with the skipped steps, will be in place most of the current life. In the new phase conjunction, the circumstances that trigger the dynamics associated with the skipped steps manifest and culminate relative to the first Saturn return in this life.
Pluto/Nodes/Rulers
(Q): I am looking at a chart that has Pluto at 16 Virgo conjunct Uranus at 14 Virgo and Mars at 10 Virgo. These all square the South Node in Sagittarius and the North Node in Gemini. The ruler of the North Node and also the Virgo planets (Mercury) is conjunct the South Node in Sagittarius. It is an Aries Ascendant chart with no intercepted signs, thus all the signs are in their natural houses. Pluto is applying to the Gemini North Node, but the ruler, Mercury, is conjunct the South Node. This seems to exacerbate the Pluto Square. What is the resolution for this?
All I know of this person is that they are stuck in a pattern and see no way out. This seems to be the felt effect of Pluto square the nodes. In addition, transiting Pluto is squaring the natal Pluto at the moment, so certainly these issues would be coming to a head. The polarity point of Pluto (Pisces) is tenanted by Chiron which also squares the nodal axis creating a mutable grand cross. It seems to me that the individual needs to find his center in the movement of change and that the sense of security he is seeking is found in each moment by creating new self-awareness born of how he reacts in new situations instead of holding onto old situations that may feel secure but work against the intention of the mutable archetype. All of the planets in the chart are in mutable and fixed signs, but I don't know the actual houses. The ruler of the North Node is Jupiter in Taurus. What steps do I take to unravel the resolutions and what polarity points apply? Also, how do you work with charts when the exact birth time is unknown?
(A): The resolution is entirely thru the North Node and the ruling planet, Mercury, which is conjunct the South Node, relative to Chiron's squares to these nodes. The South Node last formed a conjunction to Chiron; this is why the person feels so stuck. All is bound up with the prior patterns that he has brought into this life, which are all based on setting in motion so many different directions and dynamics that were never completed or fulfilled, and the karma therein, which is trying to complete itself via the skipped steps in this life.
In the end, it comes down to the person accepting the fact that his soul is needing and desiring to 'unravel' all the complications that he has made for himself and others due to not following thru or completing what was set in motion before this life via directions and dynamics for himself and others, and, again, why he feels stuck. But this is of his own making and the challenge is for him to adjust his psychological attitude to what this life is about: to finish that which was not finished before. This can be done thru embracing the Pisces consciousness of the Chiron in Pisces, a form of consciousness which is not getting stuck or focused on each detail or circumstance of the life, but a consciousness that is 'above' it all, transcended if you will, which then allows for a 'response' to each situation within and without that must come and be allowed to culminate in the knowledge that he is responsible for these conditions. Only in this way can he be freed from it all and move into the next life unencumbered by what is culminating in this life. If not, he will repeat this chaos again.
North Node Ruler Square the Nodes
(Q): I'm working with a client who has Pluto in Virgo in the 12th house, the South Node in Pisces in the 6th House, with it's ruler, Neptune, in Scorpio in the 2nd house. The North Node is also in Virgo in the 12th house, with its ruler, Mercury, in Gemini in the 9th house squaring the nodal axis. This client is male, Jewish, White, born in the U.S., middle class socio-economic conditions and 3rd stage individuated. How would you interpret the North Node ruler also being a skipped step?
(A): There has been an inflation of the ego thinking that his ways, methods, beliefs or philosophies, and his way of 'interpreting' a given phenomenon has been the only right way. Also, even though the soul has been thirsty for information and philosophies and the meanings of such, there have been patterns of collecting information relative to this desire without that information being linked with actual inner revelation or understanding. That is, he has collected all types of knowledge from external sources and in his own eclectic way tried to synthesize it into his own 'knowledge.' The lesson through the skipped step is to stop the external collection of knowledge and to go deep within himself intuitively and learn to ask questions within and then wait for the answer to inwardly appear of its own volition.
Too Many Planets Square The Nodes
(Q): I am looking at a chart with Pluto, Uranus and Mars all in Virgo in the 10th house opposing Sun, Saturn, Mercury and Chiron in Pisces in the 4th. They all square the nodal axis, with the South Node being in Sagittarius in the 1st and the North Node in Gemini in the 7th. In Pluto 1, you talk about Pluto square the nodal axis as intensified "skipped steps" and mention that with other planets forming aspects to the nodal axis one needs to determine the evolutionary condition. With Pluto involved in this square, does that mean all the planets involved are "skipped steps?"
(A): Yes.
(Q): The polarity point of Pluto applies, and Pluto is applying to the North Node. With the resolution being in the 4th house through the Pisces polarity and South Node thru the North Node, what is the meaning and intention of the North Node ruler, Mercury, also squaring the nodal axis?
(A): To recreate dynamics that equal circumstances of the past life patterns but to now make 'new choices' in the face of those circumstances versus the old choices.
(Q): Also, in the case of "skipped steps" you talk about the second Saturn return as a possible resolution (which is a while off for this chart). But currently Pluto is in orb of conjuncting the South Node and activating the whole grand square pattern. How does this work as an opportunity for resolution?
(A): By making new choices in the face of old circumstances and dynamics.
(Q): Would this indicate a key evolutionary time?
(A): It's critical and correlates to a time that the soul has been waiting for in order to break free; time to seize this opportunity.
Houses/Synthesis/Skipped Steps
(Q): Since house positions are so important, how do you work with charts of unknown birth time?
(A): You have to have the ability to determine the birth time when unknown by using the evolutionary paradigm itself. Pluto can only be in one of 12 houses, so it becomes a matter of asking questions that correlate archetypically to each house, questions that have a yes or no answer. It is a matter of elimination in order to determine the house position of Pluto in this way. At that point, you have reduced all potential birth times to within a two hour time frame. From there you ask questions that would connect or correlate to the archetype of the possible signs that could be on the Ascendant, with the various planets shifting by house as you do so. It is this kind of elimination that will produce the right birth time to within minutes in most cases.
(Q): I have a difficult time synthesizing planets and nodes that are flipped in the chart in house position; for example, a South Node in Sagittarius in the 3rd, with the North Node in Gemini in the 9th. I find it even more confusing if, for example, the ruler of the South Node (Jupiter) might be in the 9th. I also have difficulty figuring out the bottom line of a polarity point of Pluto such as a Pluto in Virgo in the 12th, with the polarity point being in Pisces in the 6th, since the Pluto is describing already some of the past conditions which involve Virgo-type experiences, but the polarity point is then in Pisces and conditioned by the Virgo/6th house. I have a difficult time weeding out what has already been experienced as opposed to what is the yet inexperienced evolutionary intention. Do you have any hints as to how I can frame that in my thinking so I can integrate it?
(A): Yes. This is a difficult thing for many people to understand. Just remember that the house always comes first as a primary cause, then the sign that conditions that bottom line or house. In these oppositional symbols you first have the theme of a natural paradox that the soul has created for itself, and the intent within this life is to unlock and reverse that paradox. Using your example of Pluto in Virgo in the 12th house, and assuming a first stage spiritual condition, the soul has had as its core desires the 12th house: to consciously begin the journey back to God/dess, to 'spiritualize' the consciousness, to understand its relationship to the Creation, the Creator, and so on.
And yet in this desire, the Virgo archetype has tried to understand and realize the underlying desire thru 'learning' a variety of methodologies and 'techniques,' of desiring to check out and explore a diversity, over lifetimes, of different forms of 'spiritual knowledge' at an intellectual level, as if the gathering of such information was the 'way' to actualize this intent. The result is that the core desire itself gets 'lost' within this cumulative diversity of 'spiritual' thought forms that lead the consciousness this way and that way, and ultimately landing in a state of hopeless confusion when the thought forms begin to collide and conflict with themselves, and so on.
In many cases such souls were fooled by wrong teachers and 'teachings,' all of which seemed so good and right in whatever moment the soul was attracted to them. This leads progressively to a state of disillusionment and bewilderment, a kind of spiritual bitterness, even as the core desire is sustained. Thus, the polarity point becomes Pisces within the cause of the Virgo or Sixth House, which means to unlock and reverse this paradoxical condition by remembering how to simplify the core desire of the 12th house, to get out of the left brain head of Virgo and thus all the techniques and methodologies, and to throw away the books and stop 'analyzing' God/dess, and oneself thru extension.
It means to stop listening to external authorities and to simply 'remember' how to feel, smell, touch, and experience God/dess in every moment in all things that the person does, both without and within, and to remember the most simple of natural truths that are based upon the natural law of cause and effect that keep the consciousness ensnared in thought itself. By using the natural law of breathing, with the inhale/exhale equaling the law of cause and effect, thought and counter thought, this allows for the remembering of how to allow the body to stop breathing and thru concentration within the third eye, it then allows for a conscious union of the soul with the Source, God/dess; all 'complexities' will now be dissolved in this simple truth. There will be no more analysis, just simply direct knowledge and 'knowing,' with a switch from left brain to right brain knowledge. The paradox is now unlocked for good.
(Q): I am not yet feeling how a planet functions as a skipped step. I am looking for material to refer to or some way to extrapolate from the Pluto material what the key note might be of each planet as it functions to represent a skipped step. For example, if I think of the archetype of Aries and Mars--new beginning, identity, perpetual self-discovery, desires, self, will--and if Mars is the skipped step, then can any and all of this be the content of the unfinished business?
(A): Yes, and typically it can also include unresolved anger or rage and the sense of having a special destiny that is unfulfilled. The key to all of what you have asked is observing many clients over many years. Study the charts of 'famous' people and retrofit their life experiences to what you observe in their charts.
Questions on Pluto Dynamics
(Q): Is there a general evolutionary condition when the rulers of the North and South Nodes are square?
(A): No.
(Q): Is there a general evolutionary paradigm when the Ascendant is square the nodal axis, and what is the nature of the skipped step here if there is a general one?
(A): Primarily, this involves an emotional paradox linked with relationships. The cause is that the Soul feels within itself that it has some special destiny to actualize, with the feeling itself being primarily instinctual in nature. As a result, the Soul desires to have enough circumstantial freedom in order to act upon the instinctual desires that will lead to the actualization of that special destiny. Conversely, the Soul also desires to complete itself thru relationships, not as the dominate partner in which the relationship primarily revolves around the individual, the Soul, but in a relationship based on true equality in which they give to the partner for the sake of giving, as well giving to the partner what that partner actually needs versus what the soul/individual thinks that the partner needs.
This has created the emotional paradox for the Soul because the fear that is generated relative to the paradox is a fear of being limited or 'entrapped' within such a relationship that is perceived to then undermine the need for freedom that leads to the actualization of the 'special destiny.' As a result, the Soul will re-attract in this life partners from other lives in which the relationship has not been completed based upon the above evolutionary need.
(Q): In the case where Pluto is conjunct the North Node but a planet is also conjunct the South Node and is square the Ascendant, how would this dynamic serve as a block to the North Node/Pluto conjunction?
(A): The above dynamics would be magnified a great deal until the lesson is learned. Added to these dynamics is the evolutionary need for both individuals within the relationship to actualize their own inner security within the relationship and, depending on the level of evolution, i.e., from the third stage individuated and above, the need to begin the radical deconditioning from the existing society's 'norms' of what a relationship is, to begin to return to natural law and natural gender actualized and defined within the relationship.
(Q): In regards to the question about the rulers of the North and South Nodes being square, in this case adding to the emphasis even more, the planets are: Mars in the 1st ruling the South Node and Venus in the 11th ruling the North Node. Going by what you said, this symbolism fits perfectly: i.e., I would intuit that the dynamic of being instinctually driven to fulfill a special destiny and needing the space to actualize it (Mars in the 1st) and at the same time wanting a relationship based on true equality (Venus in the 11th) would in this life have to be given a new form to operate through (Square).
So, wouldn't this be a case where even though the planet (Sun) conjuncting the South Node (opposite the North Node/Pluto conjunction) is stressful (square the Ascendant), it's actually 100% supporting the bottom line soul intention of inner security/absolute resonation with natural law (Pluto in Libra in the 4th house)?
(A): Yes.
Skipped Steps And Sun
(Q1): I'm looking at a chart where the Sun in Aries in the 3rd house is squaring the nodes, with the North Node in Capricorn in the 12th house. Does this mean that the person needs to incorporate that Sun as a previously skipped step and that the resolution node for this life is the south Node? Or does she have to incorporate that skipped Sun to finish up the South Node dynamics and then return to the orientation of the North Node?
(A): When the Sun squares the nodes it does not mean or correlate to previously skipped steps. The Sun correlates to our current life purpose and how we go about integrating our sense of purpose within the current life. When the Sun squares the nodes it means that the soul could create skipped steps in this life. The potential skipped steps would be seen in the house/sign/aspects to the Sun relative to the houses and signs of the South and North Nodes, and the placement of their respective planetary rulers by houses, signs and aspects. Thus, when this symbol is seen in the birth chart, it is necessary to understand this and counsel the person accordingly; i.e., the full development of all those archetypes. If this is not done, it will then manifest as skipped steps in the next life.
(Q2): When the Sun squares the nodal axis, does the same rule apply as to any other planets?
(A): No, the Sun does not correlate to 'skipped steps' from a prior life point of view. It does mean that the potential of creating skipped steps in this life exists within that symbolism. The nature of the skipped steps would concern the houses and signs of both nodes, the house and sign of the Sun, and the location of the planetary rulers of both nodes by houses, signs and aspects. Plus, the house that has the sign Leo on it would also be included. Mindful of all those dynamics, it is necessary, in this life, to fully actualize all of those dynamics, not some, but all. If this is not done, this will correlate to skipped steps created in this life that are taken forwards into the next.
(Q3): I was wondering if this is also the case during a solar arc or progression of the Sun to the nodes, that one has to be mindful of the dynamics one is creating and also if one is trying to avoid something, then the person will not be let off the hook easily, so they might as well deal with it. Does that sound right?
(A): Yes.
(Q2): Thank you. I felt something like that, but wasn't sure how to interpret it. The chart I'm looking at made me realize that the Sun's square must mean something very newly developed, and the present life choices must be the key.
I would like to ask some questions in relation to the following chart: Jupiter in Leo is in a balsamic conjunction to Pluto in Leo in the 2nd. The South Node is at 12 degrees of Gemini in the 11th, with the North Node being in Sagittarius in the 5th, thus Pluto just transited it. The Sun is in Pisces in the 8th squaring the nodes. Mercury is in the 7th in Aquarius in a balsamic conjunction to Chiron, while the 7th house cusp is Capricorn. Pluto and Mars are in an 'old' waxing trine, with Mars in the 6th in Sagittarius. Neptune, the ruler of the Sun, is in the 4th house in a first quarter trine to the Sun. This is the chart of a male who is transiting from 3rd stage individuated to 1st stage spiritual in this life. Would it be correct to say that the present life intention and challenge is to transform all old beliefs and ways of relating to the outer world in the following ways:
1) To create a life style and a livelihood that is based on the person's intuitive knowledge and a more spiritual involvement, thus moving the service area that the person already practiced in past lives and the present life in common areas to more spiritually inspired areas (natural spirituality versus patriarchal spirituality).
2) Developing a technique that "feels right" for the person as a daily spiritual practice i.e., some kind of yoga, deep meditation, etc. to get in touch with his "inner self," the soul, and his true desires (4th house Neptune, Sun in the 8th in Pisces), as well as some kind of healing method that helps to uncover the deep wounds to the emotional body that resulted from traumas of this life and others.
3) Osmosing, merging with totally new bodies of knowledge that will help to remove the limitation of the old "reality structure" that was based on authority from the outside world and to now develop inner authority (Pluto and Jupiter polarity point)?
4) By doing the above, the intent is to create an utterly independent life style and livelihood that reflects the newly gained understanding, and teaching and sharing that "new truth" or natural truth, to others in order to help them to liberate themselves, too (5th house North Node in Sagittarius). In this way, the South Node intention to serve humanity on a larger group scale will also be fulfilled.
5) To create or re-create a relationship with absolute commitment that is based on equality without any kind of dependency on the part of each of the partners. To transform sexuality from the patriarchal "mechanical" involvement into a total emotional and physical involvement with full eye contact. Remove all consensus norms of "being in relationship" or "being man and woman" and "playing the old roles". Encouraging the woman to play out the more aggressive sexual role that can bring healing for the sexual suppression and guilt in both.
Am I on the right track in trying to understand the life lesson in this chart, or am I overlooking something?
(A): Yes to all of it, including the natural forms of Tantra that manifested from the original matriarchy.
Moon Square The Nodal Axis
(Q): Does the Moon square the nodal axis also indicate some new present life challenge and the possibility of making decisions that would lead to skipped steps in the next life?
(A): First, any planet (except the Sun) that squares the nodes, including the Moon, correlates to 'skipped steps' from other lives--always. Thus, there is 'nothing new' in the current life that correlates to skipped steps. The soul will recreate the circumstantial reality in this life that mirrors and triggers prior life dynamics that correlate to what those skipped steps are, and if the soul makes the 'old choices' as it did in other lives, those skipped steps will be carried forward yet again. Conversely, if the soul makes the 'new choices' that honor the evolutionary necessity of recovering those skipped steps, then the soul's evolution can proceed.
A simple example is myself. I have a Pisces Moon in the 4th house square the nodes, with the South Node in Sagittarius in the first house and its ruler, Jupiter, in the 12th house, and the North Node in Gemini in the 7th house. First, I was totally anti-relationship yet again in this life. My only relationship being to the Source. All else was stupid and irrelevant to me, and, of course, having children was out of the question. Thus, the circumstances necessary in order to induce the old dynamics that demanded new choices relative to the skipped steps of emotional intimacy with a human, and thru extension children, that could follow that, did occur. And I did make those new choices in the knowing of this evolutionary issue. I have now raised eleven kids in this life, with five of them being step-kids, all of whom have a Pisces Moon!
Skipped Steps - Soul Desires
(Q): I was reading the Yogananda article about skipped steps and was wondering if another way of describing skipped steps was simply 'soul desires'. So, if you see skipped steps in a chart, they signify 'unfinished desires' of the soul to experience or play out certain things; e.g., Yogananda desired to be a Himalayan monk. Thus, skipped steps are then free will decisions not 'defaults'. When you write and speak about skipped steps, I've always interpreted them to be regretful or loathing, but now I see them in a different light. Is this the correct way to look at them?
(A): When we see the skipped step signature in a birth chart, those skipped steps are 'fated' to occur in one's life, but the soul has a free choice to act up the evolutionary and karmic necessity to recover those skipped steps or not. Even though Yogananda had an intense desire to go and be a monk in the Himalayas, his evolutionary destiny, necessity, and 'fate' did not allow that in the context of the life that he lived. Thus, that desire, relative to his own evolution, was unfulfilled in his life, which will then manifest in the next as a skipped step. Looking at the chart that correlates to his next birth, you can see that that desire and skipped step can be fulfilled. (Birth data for Yogananda's next incarnation: March 7, 2152; 6:30 am IST - 5:30; Ranchi, India). It could not be more black and white.
(For anyone who has read about or studied the life of the great Paramahansa Yogananda you may have become aware that he himself stated that he would be reborn exactly two hundred years from the day of his physical passing. He stated that he would come back to Earth one more time in order to fulfill his strongest desire while in the life of Yogananda: namely to be a monk in the Himalayan Mountains). As in anything in life, it totally depends on one's inner orientation to the life that correlates with one's 'attitude' toward what the life is and must be.
(Q): I have looked through the Pluto books, but am unable to answer this. I understand that a skipped step can be the inconsistent development of the issues of the North Node, South Node and the squaring planet, Pluto and Pluto Polarity Point. Can it also mean that the issues described by the squaring planet (skipped step) have been developed but not in a way that returns the Soul to the Source evolutionarily speaking?
(A): No. They have been underdeveloped. A skipped step experience, inwardly, is experienced as a cyclic 'yes' relative to moving towards what the skipped steps are, and a cyclic 'no.'
(Q): For example, say the Moon in Aries in the 7th house is squaring the nodal axis. Can this be that there has been violence, over-development of an ego dependent upon asserting the self upon others in relationships? Or would it always mean an inconsistent development of the self-assertion of the ego when in a relationship?
(A): The skipped step here involves totally breaking free from a dependency upon relationships, which is typically caused by immature emotions linked with the parental environment and the need to sustain such relationships for those reasons.
(Q): I am working on a natal chart where the South Node is at 1 degree of Taurus and the North Node is at 1 degree Scorpio, retrograde. Uranus is at 7 degrees Leo Retrograde. Uranus went retrograde that day and then direct a few months later. I am thinking that the 7 degree orb is a little too large to call it a skipped step in this life. Is this correct?
(A): No. We need to use an orb of ten degrees, so this is definitely a skipped step.
(Q): Would this suggest that in a relatively recent life he began to recognize and incorporate the skipped step? Would this life be a continuation of the previous progress/process?
(A): The chart cannot tell us that; only the person himself can tell us the choices he has or has not made. Questioning of the person is essential.
Resolving Skipped Steps
(Q): My question concerns the evolutionary resolution of planetary functions other than Pluto in square aspect to the nodal axis. I understand that in such circumstances both nodes have not been "totally developed, understood, resolved, or integrated," with respect to the squaring planetary function, causing the individual to be "torn between issues pertaining to the past and future." In order to resolve the "skipped steps," he or she needs to consciously understand the lessons of both nodes and how to approach and develop them completely. In general, and in relation to the desires that the individual should act upon in order to recover and integrate the "skipped" dynamics in a new way, in what way is the process of resolution affected by the fact that the squaring function is the planetary ruler of the South Node and made its last conjunction to the North Node whose planetary ruler is conjunct Pluto's polarity point? In what manner does the polarity point of the squaring function influence such a condition?
(A): In this case, it means that the soul has already attempted to totally actualize the polarity point of Pluto prior to the current life. Yet the opposition also means that the individual would cyclically create circumstances to throw it back towards the South Node and the planetary ruler of that South Node. It's almost like an act of willful rebellion at 'what needed to be done' and so the skipped steps remain. With the North Node as the last node to form the conjunction to the planetary ruler of the South Node, it means that the soul must continue to work specifically on the house and sign of the North Node and the polarity point of Pluto, which is the planetary ruler of that node, by focusing on those two areas all the time with total conscious intent. Then the South Node and it's planetary ruler will evolve. The skipped steps are recovered in this way.
Skipped Steps and Ascendant
(Q): If the Ascendant is square the nodal axis, does that indicate a skipped step? If so, what is its significance?
(A): No, not from a prior life point of view. It does symbolize the potential of creating 'skipped steps' in this life relative to the house and signs of the North and South Nodes and their planetary rulers, relative to the Ascendant.
Transiting Nodal Axis Plus Possibility of Creating Skipped Steps
(Q): While I know we must have a full chart for the interpretation of a specific aspect, would you expand on the Pluto school tape information on the general meaning and intent of and how one can work with the following transits of the nodal axis: the nodal return, the transiting nodes square the natal nodes and the 'opposite' nodal return, i.e., flip-flopped?
(A): The nodal return of the Moon correlates to the simultaneous `culmination´ of the previous 18 years as well as a new beginning relative to the underlying evolutionary intent for the whole life as symbolized by the natal placement of the nodes and their planetary rulers. Of itself, it thus correlates to a major metamorphosis of the existing inner and outer reality of the soul: like the symbol of the cocoon. As a result, it offers the opportunity to the soul to simultaneously `reflect´ on the previous 18 years, if not the whole life, in such a way that the reflective process itself allows for a great deal of self-knowledge as to why this, or why that as it pertains to one's life experience. The reflective process then allows for new awareness as it correlates to how to continue the ongoing evolutionary intent for the whole life but now in `new´ ways that reflect the caterpillar coming out of the metamorphic cocoon.
The transiting Nodes square the natal Nodes: First, we must determine if the squaring nodes are a first quarter or last quarter phase. For example, if one has the natal South Node in Sagittarius and North Node in Gemini, and the transiting South Node is in Virgo and North Node in Pisces, the transiting South Node would correlate to a first quarter phase relative to the natal South Node being in Sagittarius.
The North Node would, of course, be in a last quarter phase relative to that same natal South Node in Sagittarius. The new seeds planted, relative to the underlying evolutionary intent of the soul as symbolized in the natal nodes, at the nodal return, as above, have been progressively acted upon, new phase, then established, crescent phase, and now must be given an expanded form when the nodes square themselves relative to the first quarter square. This requires a new way of thinking and understanding for the expansion to take place: the transiting North Node square in last quarter phase to the natal South Node.
This becomes ever more complex for the soul when we consider that the transiting North Node is in a first quarter square relative to the natal North Node, and that the transiting South Node is in a first quarter square/phase to the natal North Node. So it should be obvious that this correlates to a major evolutionary transition or `gate´ in which the potential for creating `skipped steps´ can occur.
The evolutionary intent is to expand upon the new seeds planted and established at the time of the initial nodal return. The Soul, accordingly, finds itself in a very restless state when the transiting nodes are squaring the natal nodes. The restlessness reflects the need within the Soul to grow ever more. As a result, the consciousness of the person is full of new ideas reflecting this need to grow and expand, and how to understand those new ideas. If the Soul then acts upon these new ideas, such growth will take place. If not, it will lead to `skipped steps´ that will either be again given opportunity for resolution when the nodes are in opposition to themselves, or when the nodes yet again square themselves in the future. If not resolved at those times, these skipped steps will manifest in the next life and be symbolized in that chart accordingly: planets squaring the nodes.
When the transiting nodes are in opposition to the natal nodes: This correlates to a time frame in which the Soul is given the opportunity to `throw off´ any dynamics that correlate to the Soul's past that are no longer necessary and are, in fact, serving to block the Soul from further evolution. As a result, the Soul will recreate dynamics that are part of that past thru current life circumstances. The intention in doing so is to make the Soul make `new choices´ in the face of those old dynamics as triggered thru the current circumstances of the life as symbolized by the nodes being in opposition to themselves. This includes the recent past as symbolized when the transiting nodes squared themselves as above. This means that if the Soul resisted the need to grow and expand at that time, the very dynamics that created that resistance will be in the person's `face´, so to speak: the nature of the opposition. If the soul can `throw off´ those dynamics, then a great release from the past can occur. If not, it will lead to the ongoing dynamic of skipped steps.
Progressed Charts and Skipped Steps
(Q): I am studying the chart of someone who is individuated and spiritually very stuck. He has three fixed squares in Scorpio that include Mars. I already would think that the fixity of this situation would make it very difficult for this individual to recover these in this lifetime. Next I noticed there was no gap between these squares clearing and his progressed Neptune in Scorpio coming to Square the nodal axis. Is it correct understanding that progressed squares to the nodal axis would indicate an area where we are currently stuck?
(A): Yes, a major growth time. It could lead to skipped steps if the choices made do not correlate with the intention of that progression.
(Q): Is it correct to assume that fixed sign skipped steps are harder to recover than cardinal or mutable? If a soul indeed chooses all of his or her aspects before coming into life, this individual seems to have made it remarkably difficult for himself to grow.
(A): Yes.
Skipped Steps/Synastry
(Q): In synastry charts, when one person's "skipped step" planet is aspecting another person's "skipped step" planet (by conjunction, square, opposition, semi-square, etc), is there an overall internal feeling generated of "attraction/repulsion?" Understanding it will depend on the "signature" of the planets/houses/signs/aspects and degree of individual awareness and integration of those sipped steps. Is this a significant indication of past life interaction and unresolved relationship issues?
(A): Yes. Totally.
Lunar Nodes Square
(Q): In synastry, when two individuals' lunar nodes square one another, does that confer any extraordinary significance from an evolutionary perspective?
Does Pluto aspecting skipped step also mean an "intensified skipped step"? Would a Pluto aspect to the ruler of resolution node mean that the soul intends to make sure the person takes care of skipped step in current life?
If there are planets in both squares to the nodes but one of is it conjunct Sun then can we assume that this particular skipped step is the main agenda for this life? Does Pluto's aspect also make one particular skipped step the priority of the soul?
Do you think a planet at exactly 10deg orb would qualify as skipped step even if there is another planet at the opposite end squaring the nodes with a much smaller orb..say 2 to 3deg?
Would the transit of the resolution node over the non-resolution node change the evolutionary strategy of the soul for the time period it is conjunct within a 5deg orb? I'm guessing that would be 3 months balsamic and 3 months new phase conjunction. Would this 6 month period be significant in regards to the skipped steps combined with the temporary nodal reversal?
Is the orb for progressed skipped steps 10deg or less? Do planets leaving(by progression) the skipped steps orb mean the steps have been recovered or that the timeframe to recover the skipped step is lost?
Thank you.
Hi Priya,
"Does Pluto aspecting skipped step also mean an "intensified skipped step"? "
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Aspecting 'skipped step" ? If you mean is an aspect to the planet that is square the Nodes the answer is yes.
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"Would a Pluto aspect to the ruler of resolution node mean that the soul intends to make sure the person takes care of skipped step in current life?"
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That is the intention yes. But the issue of choice, to make that choice, is within the Soul. It is intended but that does not mean the Soul will make that choice. At some point it will have to make that choice in order to evolve. When that is is an unknown.
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"If there are planets in both squares to the nodes but one of is it conjunct Sun then can we assume that this particular skipped step is the main agenda for this life? Does Pluto's aspect also make one particular skipped step the priority of the soul?"
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The Sun correlates to the current life purpose relative to the evolutionary paradigm in the birth chart: to give that a sense of purpose as defined by the sign and house of the Sun, and the aspects that it is making. Thus, with an aspect to one of the planets forming a square to the Nodes the entire dynamic of what those skipped steps are, and why, becomes a core purpose within the Soul to deal with in the current life.
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"Do you think a planet at exactly 10deg orb would qualify as skipped step even if there is another planet at the opposite end squaring the nodes with a much smaller orb..say 2 to 3deg?"
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Yes
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"Would the transit of the resolution node over the non-resolution node change the evolutionary strategy of the soul for the time period it is conjunct within a 5deg orb? I'm guessing that would be 3 months balsamic and 3 months new phase conjunction. Would this 6 month period be significant/important to soul's growth in any way? If so what would be the best use of this time for a spiritually inclined soul?"
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Yes, it is a critical point in time that correlates with consciously creating and addressing the issues that correlate to the nature of what the skipped steps are. The past and the future of the Soul's life as symbolized by the Nodes interact in ever moment in time in this sort of transit with the intent by the Soul to make new choices relative to old dynamics, and the circumstances this creates at this time, so that evolution can proceed. The best use of time is to see and understand what is taking place in exactly this way.
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"Is the orb for progressed skipped steps 10deg or less? Do planets leaving(by progression) the skipped steps orb mean the steps have been recovered or that the timeframe to recover the skipped step is lost?"
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The time frame to recover skipped steps occurs throughout the entire life of the Soul. There are of course times in which this becomes intensified as symbolized in the various transits to the Nodes, the transits of the Nodes themselves, the transits of the planetary rulers of the Nodes, the transit of the planet or planets that are squaring the Nodes, the transit of Pluto in general, and various progressions to all of these. The issue of orbs is defined by the nature of the aspect itself, thus the timing.
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God Bless, Rad
Thank you so much, Rad😊
I will be sure to observe the events that point to my soul's past/future interactions during my reverse nodal return - a good half of next year(if I use 5 deg orb).
I hope to have learnt a lot more on EA by then. So that I can contemplate meaningfully on the manifestations of this "blurring/meeting of the times".
And maybe even share my findings here in a more coherent way if similar topics are being discussed.
Meantime I was curious about my previous nodal return(almost 9 years ago) and was dumbstruck to see that I lost my beloved Dad when the transiting nodes where almost exactly over my natal Nodes. It was a shocking and traumatizing time for me.
So I think perhaps the nodes and their transit are very significant.. especially with what feels like a strong skipped step.
Hi Rad and Everyone,
Rad from what you have shared so far am I correct in that if the planet squaring the nodes is the resolution nodes ruler, which is the North Node, then the planet squaring the nodes is the resolution to actualizing the north node intentions?
If that is true then would the ruler of the planet squaring the nodes also be the resolution to actualizing the north node?
For an example I have the north node in the first in sag and the south node in the 7th in Gemini square to Jupiter in the third in Pisces with Neptune the ruler of the skipped planet in the 12th in Sag...
Neptune becomes the whole resolution because it rules the skipped step and the north node and the skip step, Jupiter in Pisces, is the resolution nodes ruler?
Thank you so much,
Heather
Rad,
One more question that I have always had but could not find a definitive answer too so far...
Do you ever take into consideration the polarity point of the skipped step planet by house and sign if nothing is actually sitting there or is the sign house and planet of the skipped step the bottom line?
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
"Rad from what you have shared so far am I correct in that if the planet squaring the nodes is the resolution nodes ruler, which is the North Node, then the planet squaring the nodes is the resolution to actualizing the north node intentions?"
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Yes, and all the aspects that that planet is making to other planets: these all, in their own way have contributed to the skipped steps..
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"If that is true then would the ruler of the planet squaring the nodes also be the resolution to actualizing the north node?"
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Yes, it contributes to it but the actual resolution takes place at the point of focus: the planet squaring the nodes by house, sign, and aspect relative to the resolution node by it's house, sign, and aspects. In your question/ example this then is the planet ruling the N.Node: the resolution Node.
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"For an example I have the north node in the first in sag and the south node in the 7th in Gemini square to Jupiter in the third in Pisces with Neptune the ruler of the skipped planet in the 12th in Sag...
Neptune becomes the whole resolution because it rules the skipped step and the north node and the skip step, Jupiter in Pisces, is the resolution nodes ruler?
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No. See above.
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"One more question that I have always had but could not find a definitive answer too so far...
Do you ever take into consideration the polarity point of the skipped step planet by house and sign if nothing is actually sitting there or is the sign house and planet of the skipped step the bottom line?"
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All of life operates relative to polarities: evolution. Thus, the polarity point to the skipped step planet NATURALLY TAKES PLACE when the Soul makes the choices to resolve the skipped steps. That resolution, again, takes place within the house and sign of the skipped step planet, and resolution Nodes by house, sign, and all the aspects that take place within this for both. The point of resolution is the resolution node relative to the skipped step planet by location, etc.
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God Bless, Rad
Ok thank you Rad,
That cleared up some confusion I have with all the repeating themes.
Thank you so much :)
Heather
Hi everyone,
I'm excited to be part of this thread. I have a skipped step in my chart. My info is DOB July 3 1961 8:50 AM in Teaneck NJ.
DDD,
Here is the link to what JWG called the Planetary Method Of Chart Interpretation: the house method.
https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,832.0.html
God Bless, Rad
Rad, thanks for the link.:) DDD
Ok Rad, thank you very much.
Heather
Hi Rad,
I would like to ask when there is a skipped step in which the Moon is square the nodal axis and the Sun is opposing the Moon, therefore also square the nodes.
This seems like such an intense configuration and am wondering if you have made any special observations/correlations relative to this configuration?
The example I am looking at has the South node in the Tenth House, North Node in the Fourth House, Moon in the First House and the Sun in the Seventh House.
What I´m thinking is that the Sun in this case is fundamental to resolving the skipped step, along with the resolution Node and its ruler but at the same time there is the potential for creating another skipped step in a future life or intensifying the current skipped step, which will be brought into the next life. Is this correct?
Thank you
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
"I would like to ask when there is a skipped step in which the Moon is square the nodal axis and the Sun is opposing the Moon, therefore also square the nodes. This seems like such an intense configuration and am wondering if you have made any special observations/correlations relative to this configuration?"
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There is no 'special' observations or correlations to this symbolism. The Moon squaring the Nodes correlates to the skipped steps of course whereas the Sun squaring the Nodes does not. The Sun squaring the Nodes correlates, of itself, to the possibility of the Soul creating skipped steps in the current life relative to the house and sign that the Sun is in relative to the house/ signs of the Nodal Axis, and the location of their planetary rulers: by house, sign, and aspects to them. With the Sun also opposing the Moon that is squaring the Nodes this correlates to the Soul's desire, choice, to make as a current life purpose the resolution of those skipped steps that is given purpose, and integration, through the house and sign of the Sun itself: and all the aspects that it is making to other planets. The opposition to the Moon means that the Soul is desiring to oppose, within itself, the prior life dynamics that have caused the skipped steps themselves.
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"The example I am looking at has the South node in the Tenth House, North Node in the Fourth House, Moon in the First House and the Sun in the Seventh House. What I´m thinking is that the Sun in this case is fundamental to resolving the skipped step, along with the resolution Node and its ruler but at the same time there is the potential for creating another skipped step in a future life or intensifying the current skipped step, which will be brought into the next life. Is this correct?"
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Yes, see above.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Marty,
I have some questions about transiting Saturn, conjunct Venus, squaring the Nodal axis and conjunct the S.N. of Uranus.
" If someone has their moon, or South or North Node conjunct transiting Saturn at 14 degrees of Sagittarius, would they be feeling this transit more than others?"
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Yes
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" Does the current transit of Saturn/Venus to a personal planet, in any way, imply an individuals' involvement in, or capacity to contribute to a "˜skipped step' in the collective awareness of transiting Saturn square the Pisces/Virgo axis?"
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In their own way..
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"Does an individual with a personal planet conjunct transiting Saturn have something to reflect on or review regarding their personal relationship to unresolved trauma affecting the collective?"
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In their own way...
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"Because 15 degrees of Sagittarius is the South Node of Aquarius, could individuals with moon, or nodes, or personal planets, conjunct this point become potent catalysts for collective growth and vision if they choose to meditate and work on their pre-conditioned belief patterns vs. Natural Law?"
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In their own way...
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"Would individuals with a personal planet conjunct 15 degrees of Sagittarius have an opportunity to "˜bring forth' a stimulus of free-thinking and diversity (Uranus North Node in Gemini) that promotes freedom from Natural Guilt (Virgo - current North Node of discovery)?"
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In their own way...
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad
This is a wonderful thread, and although I have struggled to find time to be with it I am slowly catching up on reading through it. If I can manage to make some time spare later this week I will try and participate a bit.
And thanks too to Kristen and everyone else involved for making it so interesting and educational.
I'm wondering what the generic significance in the synastry between two people would be when their nodal axis are tightly square each other?
I have a good example I could use, but as per your suggestion below ...
=> I will now try and get the birth times clarified over the weekend so we will be able to use houses, and will post the charts after that ...
blessings Upasika
Hi Upasika,
Can you post both of the synastry charts showing where the Nodes and their rulers fall in each others birth charts ?
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
I currently only have the birth time for one of the charts, but I could possibly get the birth time for the other chart on this coming weekend.
So I'll remove the post for now just to keep thread tidy, and see if I can re-post it after the weekend with both charts displaying their houses.
thanks Upasika
Hi Upasika,
Ok.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Upasika wrote: "I'm wondering what the generic significance in the synastry between two people would be when their nodal axis are tightly square each other?"
I have been thinking about this too and wonder if it can generally mean that two Souls have had various lives in which they had a connection but were at crossed purposes, had very different paths which may of not been compatible and left some dynamics unresolved from those encounters?
Thank you
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
That would be an archetypal possibility within the symbols Upasika has presented. But let's wait until he posts both of the charts. We will need to understand the skipped steps in each of the individual's charts first, then overlay those skipped step signatures in the synastry charts between them to actually know what they have been in their actual context. Context is everything as you know.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad
I'm afraid I spoke too soon unfortunately.
The person whose chart I didn't have a birth time for did inquire after and get their birth time, and gave it to me, but while day and place were the same the actual year was different too. So I had got it wrong.
I have other synastry charts that have the nodal axis of each chart square to the other one, but don't have permission at this moment to publish any of those.
Sorry to hold the thread up.
blessings Upasika
Hi All,
In the next couple of days Kristin and I will be posting another case history of a brother and sister.
God Bless, Rad
Ok thank you Rad
Heather
Hi All,
We have had to remove the case history that we had been working on. I want to thank all of you for the tremendous effort you all put into that which has helped all of us learn ever more about skipped steps. We will be posting another case history of a brother and sister so we can continue to learn. Please let me know if all of you still have interest in this. If so, we will proceed.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad Kristin and Everyone,
I would like to keep learning in this thread on skipped steps.
Heather
Hi Rad & Kristin,
That's a pity, I had just started into reading it.
But anyway, absolutely keen. Not sure how much, but will have some time to participate on this next case study.
blessings Upasika
Very much interested.
Have been quiet coz the case study was going fascinatingly deep and way beyond my level of understanding.
Learnt a lot and still digesting the analysis by various here.
Looking forward to another case which builds from the basics again😊
Hi everyone, I am interested in participating in another skipped step discussion. I don't have a lot of time right now, but I will do what I can and thanks to everyone else who is joining in. DDD
Hi Rad,
I´m interested.
Thank you
All the best
Rad and Kristin, sometime in the future, would you consider looking at Donald Trump's chart (if real birth data is available). I think a lot of people need to understand what just happened at a deeper level. DDD
Hi All,
Wonderful that you wish to continue on in our thread of skipped steps. Kristin and I will begin the next case history of the brother and sister in the next couple of days. So much of the world now is in shock because of what just happened in America. I know for myself I need to 'just be' for a bit to let it somehow sink in, and to carry on.
God Bless, Rad
Hi DDD,
For now simply consider the transit of Lucifer is squaring the USA's Pluto and it's Mercury retrograde in Cancer...the Lucifer transit itself being in it's 5th House. For me this correlates to a decent of evil in the form of Trump that has permeated a large swath of the individual and collective consciousness of nationalistic white Americans, producing the opposite affect intended: the election of the first female president of America. Trump has his Lucifer conjunct his Venus and Saturn in Cancer which is conjunct the USA's Mercury retrograde, going backwards, in it's 3rd House, and opposed America's Pluto. This is then ruled by the USA's Moon in Aquarius in it's 10th house and, yes, that Moon is conjunct it's natal Lucifer.
This descent of evil is manifesting all over the planet now, not just America, in the form of nationalism and racism: Pluto transit through Capricorn. The transiting Mars had just come over America's Pluto to boot. My fear, to be honest, is that we are entering a kind of 'dark age' because of this.
My personal prayer is for all the natural innocents in our world to be protected from this evil.
God Bless us all, Rad
Hi Rad,
"This descent of evil is manifesting all over the planet now, not just America, in the form of nationalism and racism: Pluto transit through Capricorn. The transiting Mars had just come over America's Pluto to boot. My fear, to be honest, is that we are entering a kind of 'dark age' because of this."
This is something I have been observing at the moment, that the darkness is really present in the form of Trump, made possible by the sheer ignorance of who voted for him. I´m wondering if it´s "gaining ground" or if actually the darkness is being acknowledged and therefore revealed for what it is?
This is causing a large degree of collective disillusionment, correlating with Neptune on the South Node in Pisces and Saturn in Sagittarius squaring them both, and can hopefully lead to an alignment with actual truth.
Thank you
All the best
Rad, thanks for pointing out the symbols. I am particularly struck by the influence of evil producing the opposite of the intended outcome. I remember JWG emphasizing this and it is terrifying.
Hi Skywalker,
"I´m wondering if it´s "gaining ground" or if actually the darkness is being acknowledged and therefore revealed for what it is?"
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For me it is both: it is being revealed for what it is for some, and for others it is gaining ground everywhere. And, to me, it gains ground through, as you pointed out, through the utter stupidity of humans who respond to this evil induced nationalism and racialism. Remember that when Hitler came to power, the turmoil in Europe, the transiting Uranus was in Aries as it is now. Through geodetic equivalents that Uranus was right in the middle of Europe. Thus, now, we see all this nationalism, racism, in many countries in Europe, and, of course, Russia as well. The 'far right' is gaining ground everywhere. In America now it is at the very heart of power: Heir Trump as it's president.
Pluto now being in Capricorn, through geodetic equivalents, is right in the middle of America: it's 'heartland'. And the reality of who voted from Heir Trump are 'low information' voters which translates into simpletons: Pisces. It is all those rural white male voters that have brought him to power in that country. They actually have no idea what his policies actually are, or what they mean. That's to complicated for them. They just want a reality of what America used to be a long time ago: something from the 1950's. This is what Hitler did too: to restore Germany to a place of power it had before WW1. Nationalism and racism is what he screamed about, just like Heir Trump does now. And all the simpletons said yes. The consequences of that speaks for itself, just as will the consequences of all the simpletons in America who hailed their new Heir will also do.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad and Everyone,
thank you for your thoughts on a day like today.
In a time were humanity's greatest needs are for restoring the female polarity in all of us and the earth, i see it also as evil attack on essentially just that, healing the feminine.
Very troubling days, hopefully it's a shock that will create consciousness. Hopefully.
I also wish to keep following the thread with the new case.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Yeah that you want to continue on.
And, yes, totally agree with you about the crushing of the feminine. This same Uranus transit in Aries is of course squaring not only transiting Pluto, but the S.Nodes of Saturn, Jupiter, and Pluto itself in Capricorn, and the N.Nodes of these in Cancer: the feminine. And, yes, the Lucifer transit now in Libra squaring them all from the other side. So the opposite reality intended has been created by EVIL. And it is that Evil in the form of Trump, and all those ignorant humans who voted for him, that correlates to the descent of the consciousness of evil that is now permeating the consciousness of our planet. For those who support it they are in delusional glee. And for those who don't they are traumatized to their core: their very Soul. The transiting Lunar Nodes are squaring America's natal Uranus in Gemini in it's 1st House: trauma. This is ruled by it's natal retrograde Mercury IN CANCER THAT IS CONJUNCT HEIR TRUMPS LUCIFER, VENUS, SATURN CONJUNCTION.
So stupid Americans have elected a women hater, a sexual predator of women, a patriarchal pig who symbolizes perfectly all the ignorant white male voters who made him 'their' president. A perfect expression of his Venus/Lucifer/Saturn conjunction IN CANCER in his 11th house on all those N.Nodes of Pluto, Saturn, and Jupiter. The TRAUMA, 11TH house, that this will create to not only America, but the whole world, is like going into another dark age: Capricorn.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad
Likes to learn from this thread.Also interested to participate from my level of understanding (Basic) as time permit.
As in US, the present prime minister of India Modi came to power with the same Nationalism and Racism card.Also with the same card he was able to keep female leader Sonia Gandhi away from having the power as she was born Italian.
Thank you
Sree
"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do"
I am not happy with the state of affairs the world as we know it is in... This comes for a time for us all to go with in and come back out as Authentic as we can blazing with Truth and Love...
I can only say that I'm learning what that means I'm on that threshold...
I want to be better than just saying stupid americans and ignorant people, we are all ignorant to some degree or another and yes some more than others but we came from that ignorance and learned and grew....
We are all where we are in our understanding of our connection to each other the Universe and to God...
Follow the light of Love and help others do the same...
Heather
"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do" it's strange - when I awoke the morning of the 7th November that very same phrase was continually repeating in my mind. I had no clue why, but now it makes sense.
Hi Heather,
Evil needs to be acknowledged for what it is and so does the ignorance and willful ignorance, aka stupidity of the people, who knowingly and unknowingly allow evil to do what it does best: Distort, abuse and destroy all life forms, in any way possible.
Rad, maybe we can make a thread on Trump´s chart and this ongoing evil so we can learn from it and document it?
Thank you
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
As I have been posting articles in the environmental thread about America and the elections that have lead to Heir Trump, and will continue to do so, this should serve as the vehicle of documenting the unfolding evil that is Trump. A soul now will occupy the the White House, the most powerful position, politically, on Earth who has in fact made a Faustian Deal to be there.
The horror that will be unleashed in America, and the consequences to the world, is but just beginning. The current Mars transit has now entered Aquarius and coming over that country's S.Node in the 8th, ruled by Uranus in Gemini in the 1st which is receiving the transiting Lunar Nodes square to it, and that Mars transit will continue on into that country's 10th House, it's natal Moon, and LUCIFER ITSELF over the next year.
Check out this link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-white-house-win-promises-to-reshape-us-political-landscape/2016/11/09/62baa5e4-a66a-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-bignews3_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
A former wife of his testified that he kept a copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf in bed stand, and would read it at night. Heir Trump lineage in German. There name before Trump was Drumph. Hilter's own Lucifer was at 28 Sagittarius conjunct his Capricorn Moon and Jupiter which were conjunct his own S.Node in Capricorn in the 3rd.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
About your earlier thoughts on how this can mean entering another dark age, capricorn, can we see pluto, saturn and then jupiter conjunct it's own south nodes in the next years, as exactly this?
From an ea perspective, when a planet's ruler is conjunct its own nodes we see a return redo so that we can go forward later on, or actually experience something special due to our previous knowledge and development, or both. If this is correct, what are your thoughts on it? Are we facing hard times with hope for actual change of consciousness?
Also from what you shared, can we expect to actually be any soul affinity between Hitler and Trump? From what i checked Trump was born one year after Hitler's death, what could be the meaning of it, if you can tell?
Another question that came up, do you think all evolution presupposes that one ate some point must lose innocence of what evil actually is to actual know God? Or are there some souls that can go by without this hard experience?
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Skywalker and Everyone,
In no way was I insinuating that evil and ignorance should not be acknowledged and brought to the light of day...
Some of my biggest lessons in life have come from being a Truth Sayer which is what I was meant to do on a Soul level... I had to stand up and be that person and I also had to learn to turn my moral compass on myself... From those lessons I also learned the biggest lesson of all time and that is Integrity in all things and especially in my word...
I have learned that you don't get far with positive change with anger blaming name calling shaming stooping to the level of the exact same thing you are calling out against... My point in saying what I was is that all of us here on this MB have a special purpose in helping people into the light and I'm going to do it in a way where what I say and how I present myself actually gets noticed and not smashed down...
Keep speaking the Truth spread the word be real and honest in all you do that is the only way we can move forward...
Heather
Rad,
I appreciate more than you will ever know all the time information heart and Soul you put into this work, I feel it is important on levels that we are only just really beginning to comprehend...
I want to join forces and do my part in what ever way I can in helping bring people into the Light at well as exposing Evil for what it is and how it operates... I care deeply about this work and everyone who is called to it as well...
Heather
Hi Rad, Heather, Helena and everyone else, here´s a rant I hope benefits others.
No one is angrily name blaming, yet a part of me does get angry at times because of these sort of distortions and I allow myself the right to express it, not the case at the moment thou, simply stating what i see and where the responsibility lies, which to me is the crux of the problem on a larger scale and what has allowed for this to happen in the first place. To me this has to do with a BROKEN PATRIARCHAL SYSTEM based on domination and violence in many forms, as everyone here knows to be true. Astrologically it correlates with the South Nodes of Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn, and now with the transit of Pluto in Capricorn all things relative to the system which have reached a point of stagnation are being brought up to be metamorphosed. On a personal level, what is the psychology which allows for such a system to dominate the world? It´s generally one of fear of the consequences of not conforming, plus futility and powerlessness at the magnitude of it all... we all have felt this way in relation to the system and world affairs. Capricorn correlates with the need to take responsibility for our actions and with Pluto transiting Capricorn this means the need to acknowledge where we individually have not taken responsibility for our lives, for our reality in so many ways, big and small. We may need to go backwards in order to go forwards. We may need to fix some things which have been distorted in our society and in our own personal lives, via our belief systems and security needs. We may need to realize how many of our social decisions are based on the need to fit in and feel "secure in numbers" yet many times in ways which are out of balance with nature and natural law. We may need to probe to the core of how our world is structured and let the truth emerge. Remember Saturn rules those South Nodes in Capricorn and is now in Sagittarius. Look at the Indians at Standing Rock as Saturn has crossed over the South Node of Uranus in Sagittarius and look at the truth of Natural Law emerging thru those natives in the face of a patriarchal police state called the "land of the free". The truth about the way the elite profit at the expense of nature and the people. The truth about how the system serves the elites, and now the truth that much of the system and so much of the world structure is actually based on evil. People generally don´t want to see this stuff and now it´s in our faces. Corporate power structures and the few people behind them, believe they own the planet, including the people, animals and resources and this was just a turn for the worse.
What Rad said about the descent from evil in the form of Trump is true. What I saw when he gave his victory speech was a dark force behind him, that operates thru him. When he says things like "we have great plans for America" what it means is that evil itself has plans on how to proceed thru Trump and those who follow him. Evil has an agenda, not Trump. This is chilling when you understand what it means. The consciousness of Trump seems to be only focused on power and self adoration. To me he has a huge God complex and every word that comes out of his mouth is everything but true. Looking at his chart, knowing he has made the contract and seeing his character, one can see the extreme narcissism. He has the South Nodes of Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in his Fifth House in Capricorn. Natal Pluto in The Twelfth House in Leo and Mars approaching the Ascendant in Leo. In HIS CONTEXT it correlates with unbounded, unlimited narcissism and to a God complex, he just can´t contain himself. With the Sun in the Tenth House in Gemini on the North Node it seems like it was destined to be this way. Destined for evil to trick its way into the presidency via Trump, and it´s also a symbol for the outright lies he tells in order to reach his goals. Just say whatever is necessary, the essence of duplicity. I wouldn´t be surprised if he was a Roman or Greek emperor in a previous life as I had an image pop in my head of him as an emperor type.
We need to remember the age we are in. We are in the ending phase of the age of Pisces and not in the golden age of Aquarius as so many would like to believe. The age of Pisces amongst other things, will be remembered as the age of "deceit". So many things in the world are FAKE. fake news, fake identity, fake religion, fake history and education, fake economy, fake doctors, fake politicians, fake food and so on.
Evil works by deceit, by working in the shadows and by taking advantage of human weakness or ignorance in many forms. Evil makes everything upside down, it turns truth into falsehood and life into death.
Remembering we are in the age of deception, or deceit, and remembering we are emerging from the darkest phase in the Yuga cycle, which correlates with mankind being pretty darn ignorant to say the least, and seeing what just happened with the U.S.A voting for a Soul which serves the dark side, evil has managed to trick humanity once again thru this outdated system in a big big way. Neptune is on the South Node in Pisces, deceit and disillusionment... more of the same of what has characterized this age and so evil goes on doing what it does best"¦ looting and destroying the world. We blame and blame but the crux of it all is the fact that very very few Souls take responsibility for their actions or non actions. People have been totally brainwashed into accepting anything, we have been preyed upon by all sorts of parasites and people act as if thou it´s normal, because it actually is. Abuse and domination based on force or deception are the NORM of the way this system is based. It´s called democracy but that is part of the deception. How can people choose wisely if they can´t discern between right and wrong, are un-informed and brainwashed thru the non stop propaganda, conflicting information, have to choose between the lesser evil and so on? People don´t want to acknowledge the truth of so much of this world, and the fact we are being preyed upon because it´s too hard to face, the truth hurts. What follows when we suppress the truth is an even worse reality than the one we tried to avoid, and to me this is where we are going to collectively find ourselves in the near future.
No good can come out of this besides the awareness of evil that will inevitably result from this lack of awareness. Something people need to realize is that once a Soul has crossed over and made a contract with evil, or is highly under the influence of evil, that virtually no good can come out of their actions. Their consciousness is simply in service of that dark force which intends to cause harm with as much intensity as it possibly can. So those that believe innocently or idiotically that someone like Trump can change things for the better, will have their hopes destroyed and find themselves in a psychological crisis of disillusionment, not knowing what to believe and most likely incapable of understanding the magnitude of what is really occurring. The truth is they themselves can be under the effect and influence of evil and need to make an EFFORT to find their truth and their light.
To me it´s really the interface of light and darkness, good and evil in this plane of existence and on this planet, manifested thru the various life forms including ours. Yes duality, separation, good and evil are integral parts of the experience on the planet, there are those that like to try and act as if thou it´s not so but nothing changes the fact that duality is a natural law of how things operate here.
The positive side to all this is that this evil is now apparent when it was more hidden before, now it´s in your face. And as Rad said, what will come next can only be horrific because it stems from evil itself.
What can we do about it? Let´s look at the Capricorn stuff. Let´s remember the structure of everything including our consciousness, our beliefs. Let´s remember we are NOT POWERLESS and we have a CHOICE in every moment as to where and how we focus our consciousness. Remember the Transiting North Node is in Virgo and now more than ever is the need to DISCERN between right and wrong, what we know deep down in our hearts. If people would be responsibly mature, Capricorn, and would be discerning and intelligent, Virgo, then these things would not happen or it would be much less probable. We can learn about how we are tricked by evil in varying degrees because of our innocence, our hopes and the fact we give away our power, willfully or unwillfully, by voting and believing in SELF SERVING, SICK, LYING PEOPLE. We need to learn to trust our gut reactions and have principles, have our structures based on solid principles and solid ground in order to thrive as a population and not get screwed over by those serving evil. We need to see that only natural law will prevail in the end and no man made system based on domination can or will survive the test of time. Only fairness and equality can lead to balance and harmony. Look at Transiting Lucifer in Libra at the moment. Total distortion of the truth that will lead to extremes and to all forms of projected beliefs and hatred. It´s the illusion of equality. Trump was voted in partially because many were sick of the establishment which serves the very rich minority, and yet the people voted for someone who by the very nature of his financial reality is also in that same minority. He´s a billionaire and they voted for a wolf in sheep´s clothing because of an inability to discern and due to an inability to be truly responsible for their lives. This is the crux of the problem to me, the lack of responsibility. People cave in and let others make all the decisions and even their thinking, then no wonder parasites are taking over and have taken over a long time ago. To be responsible means to respond with conscious intelligence in order to achieve a constructive outcome. Now more than ever is the need to adhere to natural law in order to find balance. We need to focus on truth and what can be done with what we now have in front of us. We need to act with INTELLIGENCE which is the only thing able to counter this vast ignorance which has let evil forces reign freely. Those who are aware need to step up and set the example for others and when not possible, to know when to walk away and unite with those of like mind, to be stronger instead of dissipating their energy. We need to have faith in whatever higher power we believe in or know to be true because in the end the Source allows this to happen and we are part of that Source so therefore ultimately will be all right. We will be o.k. in the end and this trust, this confidence and faith needs to be experienced within our own emotional bodies and personal psychology. This is of fundamental importance because evil does what it does thru false beliefs, distortions of the truth and negative emotions. When we individually PURIFY, North Node in Virgo, and re-empower ourselves thru being each time more self responsible, Pluto in Capricorn, then we progressively become stronger and healthier and there is less room for any sense of personal futility at the magnitude of this social machine of. The energy of our faith, its strength manifested thru our unwavering dedication to the TRUTH and CONSCIOUSNESS and that which is INHERENTLY GOOD as we know it to be in our HEARTS will lead the way. Remember we are emerging from the dark ages which means we carry its history on our backs and is what we are moving away from but it´s still very present as we can all acknowledge right now.
Faith that good will prevail sooner or later as our bottom line is my bottom line. Knowing that gives me peace because it is TRUE. We are not from this plane of existence and are all a living, conscious spark of the Source and will return to that Source where nothing can happen to us. Remember that and don´t let the fear or despair take over your emotions and psyche. That is what evil wants. Our power lies in our CHOICES and these choices are ongoing in our lives on a moment to moment basis. Each choice can lead to a stronger sense of empowerment if those choices are responsible, intelligent and based in truth.
Thank you
Hi Skywalker,
THANK YOU for taking the time to share all that you did. I couldn't agree more.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Heather,
"About your earlier thoughts on how this can mean entering another dark age, capricorn, can we see pluto, saturn and then jupiter conjunct it's own south nodes in the next years, as exactly this?"
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It is the Pluto transit coming over these Nodes, opposed the Cancer N.Nodes, relative to Uranus in Aries squaring these Nodes, and Pluto, that correlates to this. It all starts with the 'choices' that Soul's make: individually, and collectively.
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"From an ea perspective, when a planet's ruler is conjunct its own nodes we see a return redo so that we can go forward later on, or actually experience something special due to our previous knowledge and development, or both. If this is correct, what are your thoughts on it? Are we facing hard times with hope for actual change of consciousness?"
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The 'moment' is a reflection of the past meeting the future at any moment in time. The past is the determinant of conditioning or shaping that moment because it is an existing reality. The future correlates to choices that are made that allow an evolution from the past to that future. For Souls whose security is rooted in the past they make choices to sustain that past. For Souls whose security is essentially within themselves they make choice that reflect the evolutionary needs for themselves, and the whole: their country, the planet. We see this all over the planet, all the time. Within this there are two types of humans that correlate with the fact of the two type brains that exist in the human species. These two types of brains/ humans 'perceive' phenomenal reality in two very different ways: how life is interpreted. When this occurred in the human species is unclear to me, but it has taken place: it is a fact.
One type of human in order to feel secure wants all of life to be exactly the same for everyone. The other type understands life to be relative, and desires to accommodate natural diversity.
The accelerated evolutionary and karmic changes taking place on our planet now interface with these two types of humans: and the two types of responses accordingly. Dark ages occur when the type that desires to make everything the same according to their perception of phenomenal reality makes the choices to suppress and control the other type of human. This occurs of course via the political and governmental structure in place all over our planet.
Now that the EVIL THAT IS TRUMP has become the president of the most powerful country on Earth combined with the various 'far right' political leaders, and their followers, in all the different countries this possibility of a kind of dark age exists. Evil is now sitting in the presidency of the United States. Anyone or anything that is 'different' than the type of human that wants all to be exactly like it is will be persecuted or destroyed in various ways. Remember Hitler as the ultimate example of this, and all those that 'followed' him.
Yet there has been, and always will be, a reaction to that by the other type of human who make their own choices that naturally desire, and accommodate, the natural diversity of the manifest creation. It is the conflict between these two types of humans that naturally correlates, when intensified and condensed due to evolutionary imperatives, to dark ages.
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"Also from what you shared, can we expect to actually be any soul affinity between Hitler and Trump? From what i checked Trump was born one year after Hitler's death, what could be the meaning of it, if you can tell?"
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Hitler and Trump reflect the type of human that desires to dominate everything that IT IS NOT. They find 'scapegoats' to blame for everything in order to 'purge' all other humans that are not like them so that all becomes like LIKE THEM. The lineage of Hitler's family tree includes the soul of Trump. That's all I can say now.
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"Another question that came up, do you think all evolution presupposes that one ate some point must lose innocence of what evil actually is to actual know God? Or are there some souls that can go by without this hard experience?"
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In the end all souls must come to know what 'god' naturally is, and is not. Within that knowing come the knowing of what evil is as well. The evolutionary journey for any given soul to arrive at that knowledge is dependent, and relative too, the choices each soul makes.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Skywalker,
thank you very much for your thoughts, a real example on taking responsibility.
We should always have it present in the current times, that is definitely true.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Rad,
thank you very much for your anwsers.
I will reflect on that.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Everyone,
Skywalker I appreciate and feel to be true all that you shared...
I do however feel that the point in what and why I said what I did has not been acknowledged and has been missed... Get angry get real share the truth expose the delusions I feel that to be the most Authentic thing we can do... Knowing that many many people are not doing that and that this message board is one place that we can come to that is then we must be impeccable in all that we say and share otherwise then then the message of Truth is lost... That was my only point and when we say things like "stupid Americans" on a public forum to me it feels like we are smashing our credibility... Call out the ignorance and delusion and evil expose it but do it with integrity...
Emotionally I am just hanging on by a thread with all that's going on every day every month and every year it gets worse... I am completely surrounded by people who do not see reality or the truth of anything and I'm standing up alone for this fight... I'm trying to find my place in all if this I'm trying to align myself with people of like mind... I am also trying to strengthen myself so at some point the fight I have struggled from with in can be a becon of light and truth for others outside in the world... To actually come out into the world in some way with out being the target of a lynch mob... Where I am in the world is not a place I can talk about these things openly but I feel at my deepest authentic self that I am being called to do that exact thing...
I hope that this will be taken in which the way I am sharing it and that is with nothing but complete love....
Heather
Hi Heather,
If you must stand 'as a group of one' because of the circumstances of your life, inwardly defined by the natural laws, desiring to help others in the best ways you can at any moment in time, this makes the 'natural god' smile big. And, in the end, standing as a group of one in this way will progressively strengthen your Soul.
High fives from me to you.
God Bless, Rad
Rad and Skywalker, thank you for your comments and perceptions. I was not surprised to read that DT had made the contract with evil. The ease with which he slithered into power was stunning, as if every single door flew open for him to pass through. Republicans are now in control of the house of representatives, the senate, they will be in control on the supreme court, they are in control of most state legislatures through gerrymandering, they continue to gain control of state govenorships, and the Koch Brothers and their ilk plan to pour money into gaining control of important state chairs in the future. In other words, DT will be able to do whatever he(ll) wants. This situation looks like an assist from Satan.
Did his soul make the contract in a prior life or this current one? I remember at a white house correspondents dinner where Prez Obama made fun of him in front of an appreciative, laughing crowd. He was humiliated. People who know DT said it was then that he decided to take revenge and make the presidency his. For a man hell-bent on getting his own back, this would seem like as good a time as any to succumb to the temptation to make such a contract.
Thank you, again, to everyone on this MB. The dialogue and exchange of ideas is empowering and exactly what we need in order to help stay positive and determined to remain in the Light through self-determination and right choice.
Hi Rad and Everyone,
I can honestly say at this point in time I don't feel to be strong or strengthened but I have Faith in this process...
I thank everyone who comes to this message board and shares their own strength and truth... It helps me with my own process of becoming stronger as a person when it feels like I am standing alone I am really not...
Rad thank you for the high five it made me smile :)
Heather
Hi, skywalker
Thank you so much for sharing your insight
Hi Heather,
Point made and acknowledged! Stay strong, as you know you are and thanks for spreading the love!
All the best
Hi Group,
Let us know that there will be world wide reaction to all that Heir Trump tries to do that upsets the current world structure of how nations operate together. If America there will be progressive organization of millions of people against this narcissistic psychopath and sexual predator, and the politics will follow that: a recreation of the Democratic party ( http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/opinion/bernie-sanders-where-the-democrats-go-from-here.html?action=click&contentCollection=Science&module=Trending&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article ) or even the possibility of a new political party that will do what needs to be done.
The pall of fear, anxiety, despair, and the trauma on this earth now because of this evil now being the president of the most powerful country on Earth is happening BECAUSE OF THE EVIL ITSELF. It is fused into the collective consciousness of all those who naturally want to do the right things no matter what they degree of personal evolution is. It is exactly all of these souls that must find a way to empower themselves to do all they can to defeat and purge this evil as the next period of time takes place.
On Monday, Kristin and I will post the next case history so that we can try to find a way to focus, in our own way, on something that will hopefully try to begin to create some little balancing within ourselves relative to this evil that is now permeating our world.
God Bless, Rad
Skywalker thank you for what you shared... I'm trying with all my might to be strong...
Heather
Hi Dollydaydream,
Rad must of missed your question about Trump making the contract. He wrote this on the Transiting Nodes thread on the last page.
"The world is witnessing the manifestation of Evil in the form of Trump, a Soul who had made it's 'Faustian Deal' long before this life. And those that follow this Evil in the form of Trump are impervious to actual reality: they need to 'believe' in absolute delusions at all costs in order to follow this Evil. This evil thus manifest as the archetypal DEMAGOGUE that, sadly, patriarchal reality is full of through time. This archetype appeals to those that are fundamentally stupid, those that can not accept the responsibility of their own lives, who need to feel victimized by 'something', and, thus, need to find scapegoats to blame so they can then vent and attack those scapegoats in order to feel some kind of power within a consciousness that feels powerless."
Rad, may I ask, was Trump an emperor in Roman or Greek times as I saw him to be? The symbols in his chart seem to indicate many lives in situations of power and status so it wouldn´t surprise me one bit.
Thank you
All the best
Skywalker, thanks for showing me what I missed - I have quite a bit of catching up to do. I am also interested in finding out if he was an emperor (or similar). DDD
Hi Skywalker and DDD,
In the Roman times he was Flavius Odovacer: the first 'king' of Italy. The soul of Trump has been 'flirting' with making it's Faustian Deal for many lives because of it's addiction to the desire/ need for absolute power. it is this flirting with making the Faustian Deal that lead me to say what I said about making the contract long ago. The actual contract was made before he came into the life as Trump, and directly after his last life. In other words it was made while out of a physical body. I don't want to further into this now, so please don't ask. I have 'looked' into this more than I want to now. I have attached some pictures of statues of Odovacer so that you can see the resemblance to Odovacer and Trump.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you Skywalker for taking the time to have your "rant." It was a very well said "rant" and I appreciate it.
Rad, thank you for telling us more about the soul of DT and for supplying the images of Odovacer. I apologize for being pushy - I won't be asking any more about this. DDD
Hi Rad,
Thank you, truly, and I understand not wanting to look into certain things. The first image is how I saw him dressed and he looked very similar to what he looks like now.
Thank you
All the best
Hi everyone,
Something interesting I would like to share related to what we have been discussing.
The popular T.V. show The Simpsons had an episode back in 2000 in which Trump was elected president. I´m sure many have seen this as its been circulating around Facebook for months.
They say the Simpsons "predicted" this happening and it was intended as a warning to America but the question is: did they predict it or did they insert the idea into people´s minds, subconsciously programming them to vote for Trump?
I tend to think it was subliminal programming.
All the best
To Kristin and Rad,
thank you for your time and kind response to our questions.
I'd like to ask a question about Saturn currently squaring the Nodal axis, and please let me know if this is not relevant to this thread... but it's a full super moon in Taurus and I can't sleep.
I am intrigued by those born between December of 1945 and August of 1947 when the N.N. was in Gemini and, either conjunct or loosely, conjunct Uranus. (The conjunction was exact at 20 degrees of Gemini in July of 1946). 20 degrees Gemini is nearly conjunct the N.N. of Uranus.
Some of the charts I've worked on suggest individuals who have brought through a specific message for our current time, regarding the transition to the Age of Aquarius. I, personally, have had 4 teachers who share this signature and speak to similar truths. Three of them actually met and knew each other and regarded the others very highly. They were prophetic, spoke their truth, and taught the need to enter into "right relationship'" with the Earth Mother, and / or to "fight the war on valued life."
They are either living remarkable lives, or they have experienced and taught phenomenal reality, but all their teachings, combined, have stood the test of time. And I'm sure there are many more.
Currently, the Pisces / Virgo nodal axis is EXACTLY squaring my teachers' nodal axis at 11 degrees Gemini / Sagittarius. Transiting Saturn, in Sagittarius, squares this current nodal axis, and opposes their natal Uranus in Gemini, testing the nature of their teachings.
The transiting N.N. has been conjunct Uranus four times since the Pluto-in-Leo generation (once in every Pluto generation) and will conjoin again in January of 2022 to July of 2023 (Pluto in Capricorn). Pluto will enter Aquarius January 2024 (after loosely transiting its' S.N. in the mid degrees of Capricorn for nearly 16 years).
What makes these individuals unique (those spiritual teachers born between December of 1945 and August of 1947) is that their natal Pluto is at 12 degrees of Leo, which is conjunct the N.N. of Neptune in Leo. The S.N. of Neptune is in the mid degrees of Aquarius - is this a heralding back to common roots for those who remember the Matriarchy and recognize basic natural law?
My question is this: These teachers that I have known and studied with seem to "˜frame' the time that we are living in - the heralding of the Aquarian Age. Uranus enters Gemini again in April of 2026. It was last in Gemini from August of 1941 to August of 1948. Theirs' is a sentinel generation.
Although I met my teachers by "accident", when comparing the charts of spiritual people born at this time, they seem to share a commonality - in that they are hooked into a much higher perspective and receive transmissions more clearly than others. They, and their teachings, have come of age. Transiting Saturn, square the nodes, opposite their natal N.N. in Gemini, conjunct Uranus, seems to be ringing their charts like a bell, and making their truths most evident at this time. Sounds like a universal wake-up call to me.
Is this coincidence or synchronicity?
thank you for your insight on this.
Hi Marty,
"Is this coincidence or synchronicity? "
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Synchronicity. Beyond your personal teachers that are many with the signature you have asked about all over the planet that have the messages you refer too manifesting in the unique ways that reflect their individual contexts of reality, and the larger reality of where they live. The Saturn square to their Nodes, and the transiting Nodal Axis squaring their natal Nodal Axis of the Moon is a time of crisis for themselves to remain determined to keep carrying on despite the nature of the personal, local, and universal .. planetary.. circumstances manifesting for us all.
God Bless, Rad
Hi All,
So we will continue on our Skipped Steps travels now looking at how this signatures manifests in synastry and composite.
Siblings each with Individual Skipped Steps, Skipped Steps through Synastry, as well as Skipped Steps Through Composite
Shaw is a 12 year old boy and Chloe is his younger sister who is 7. An anger in him has grown exponentially in the past two years but it has really peaked in the past year and he has expressed feeling of hate and disdain toward his sister, although he admits that she has always felt like an intruder. He said, "He feels invaded and robbed by her coming into this family."
The mother has become desperate in her attempt to understand where this is coming from and why. It has created an incredible amount of stress within the family unit, the younger sister adores her brother and can't seem to leave him alone, she can't get close enough, while he wants nothing to do with her, in fact, is quite cruel toward her with his words and his energy.
Of course he is entering puberty so the emotions surrounding this connection are intensified. He is currently in therapy.
I am attaching each individual chart as well as the synastry and composite for your review.
Peace,
Kristin
And here is their composite
Hi All,
Ok, so now we have a new case study to work with. So what we will be doing is:
1. To determine what the skipped steps are, and why, for each of them as individuals.
2. To determine how those individual skipped step signatures have affected their relationship to one another.
3. And then to determine what the skipped steps are with one another.
Kristin has posted the brief existing reality right now between them. So what I would like you to do is to at first just look at each of their individual charts, and determine what the skipped steps are for each as individuals. After that we will then move on to the next steps.
So, at first, let's focus on the boy's chart. Then we will focus on the girl's chart, and go from there.
Remember the value is in the effort. Let me know if you have any questions.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad Kristin Everyone,
Is it possible that Shaw came into this life with massive trauma related to sexual violations of a religious nature? I'm looking at this through South node Scorpio in the 4th square to skipped step Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th ruler of the skipped step is Uranus in the 8th in Pisces oppose Jupiter in Virgo in the 2nd... Ceres in Cancer in the 12 oppose Chiron in Capricorn in the 6th...
Heather
Hi Rad - I'm not sure where to post this question??? and am posting it here based on earlier dialogue about the President elect.
I feel sick, sick to my soul with it all....and instead of collapsing, which is how I am feeling right now, I have been contemplating sharing the Durga and Kali mantras with groups of people, who asked me earlier in the year about my spiritual practices.
The two powerful Goddesses are the only ones that come to mind as an internal practice, which protects the realms of the Divine Feminine. These teachings are sacred, and I don't plan to share them lightly, but mindfully with the intention of empowerment.
Maybe all these actions are futile in the face of evil...???
I have faced evil in my life and I know the Light, Christ, Crosses are powerful tools, and I've found nothing protects the awakened feminine consciousness like Durga or Kali.
I am most grateful and appreciative of any thoughts/feelings/sense you could share.
Thank you in advance and God Bless.
Pallas
Thank you Rad, for your insight, and for pointing out what a planet square the nodal axis and/or the transiting nodal axis squaring the natal Nodal axis pertains to.
I guess, in a way, we are all learning personal discernment in trying to hang on to the inner convictions that we know are true in spite of chaos and confusion "¦ like being lost without a compass at times, but digging deeper within to reach that natural current that will always bring us to shore.
It seems that in times like these, we need to strain our ears even harder to hear the voice of truth which, juxtaposed with the lie, will make the truth ever more evident.
- sleepless-in-ashland
Hi Pallas,
"Maybe all these actions are futile in the face of evil..."
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Not at all. It takes a concerted, focused, and determined Soul to face evil head on, and do all that can be done to minimize it's influence on oneself, others, and the planet. To not do so allows Evil to win. I can only encourage you, and anyone, to do all that you can do that is consistent with the nature of your Soul to do just that. The plan you have shared here to work with others by way of those empowering feminine mantras is exactly what is needed. The VALUE IS ALWAYS IN THE EFFORT. And that effort sustained over time can only help to defeat the evil that has now descended in the form of Trump. All of us must do what we can do according to our natures. Hitler and the evil of his Soul committed suicide in the end because because of the individual/ collective effort to defeat that evil. It is not time to hide and shrink, it is time to take action.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Heather,
"Is it possible that Shaw came into this life with massive trauma related to sexual violations of a religious nature? I'm looking at this through South node Scorpio in the 4th square to skipped step Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th ruler of the skipped step is Uranus in the 8th in Pisces oppose Jupiter in Virgo in the 2nd... Ceres in Cancer in the 12 oppose Chiron in Capricorn in the 6th.
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In other lives there have been sexual traumas in the context of the families his Soul has chosen to be born into. The nature of those traumas were then 'judged' within the context of the religions that the families were defined by in those lifetimes. Those judgements then added to the nature of the traumas. However, this was not the root of what the skipped steps are for Shaw.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad and Everyone,
Does the root of his skipped step have to do with feeling powerless? South node in Scorpio in the fourth ruler of the south node Pluto in the 5th, south node in Scorpio square to Neptune in the 7th... I'm struggling with the assimilating the Archetypes so please bare with me... It is however a big step for me to even try to learn here....
Heather
Kristin and Rad, thanks for the new charts. Is evolutionary stage irrelevant here because they are children? If so, even though I realize each case is different, at what age do we generally start taking into consideration the evolutionary development of the soul? Thanks. DDD
Hi DDD,
While the stage of evolution may at times not be clearly observed in a child, JWG, however, has said it is possible to know the EA state of kids, but it takes some careful observation.
I remember JWG sharing a personal feeling of total alienation from the get go, even in kindergarten. The first day removing himself from the other kids, standing face first against a wall in the corner of the room with his back to them.
He also shared that when he was in hi school he found out how many days he needed to attend in order to graduate, so he could go surfing instead. Clearly an observed individuated Soul at that time. But obviously in his teens, he was not showing signs of what might be observed as advanced stages of evolution in terms of dedicating his life to helping other Souls evolve. He was still maturing and making his way into the world. While he spent time in Nepal as well as other monasteries in his 20's, it wasn't until the day of his Saturn return, twenty-nine years old, that he knocked on the door of the astrology bookstore that gave him his first gig. Astrology proved to be the vehicle in which God used his Soul to help others who were searching and suffering and it was his role in this way that clearly reflected his stage of evolution, 3rd stage spiritual.
On the other hand, if you observed me in my first 30 years of life, you would have thought I was in the 3rd stage consensus. I have Saturn in Pisces in the 9th Square the Nodes, so I created the appearance of being among the herd state in order to hide as to protect myself. This was a result of the fear of being persecuted AGAIN and because of the harsh judgements when expressing my nature. My Saturn return became a game changer.
However, what matters is that the core dynamics that exist with the boy and his sister and the nature of the skipped steps between them that exist, no matter what EA state they are in. As you know, EA is a powerful tool to help anyone at any age, or a parent who is struggling to understand their child.
Peace,
Kristin
Hi Heather,
Thank you for putting yourself out there and making an effort here.
While there are surely themes of feeling dis-empowered in Shaw's chart, we need to address his Skipped Step, Neptune in Aquarius Square the Nodes, and the reasons WHY things have played out as they have, or what those feelings led to, ie his Skipped Step.
Peace,
Kristin
Ok thank you Kristin...
I will have to start simply by examining each part instead of taking on the whole chart, that is where the confusion comes in for me...
Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th... Shaw does not see others clearly and possibly projects onto others a purer picture then the reality of who they actually are? This could lead to some sort of trauma when the reality of others doesn't live up to his projected images or "potentials" that he thinks feels or sees about others? Or conversely because he doesn't see people clearly he could project or inflict judgement/trauma on others as well?
Is this where I begin and is this correct?
Heather
HI DDD,
I added some important points to my response to you so wanted to alert you here since I saw you logged in earlier.
~Kristin
Hi Heather,
The root of the skipped steps can be seen by the S.Node of the Moon being in Scorpio in the 4th, ruled by his Pluto in Sagittarius in the 5th, conjunct the Moon in the 6th, both trine Mercury in Aries in the 10th, which is ruled by his Mars balsamic conjunction to his Saturn in Cancer in the 12th. In essence, desiring and needing to be the center of attention/ center of the universe syndrome.
See if you can take it from there. The projections that you are referring too relative to the Neptune square the Nodes comes from this root issue: not see clearly others because of.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you Rad and Kristin for putting up with me here...
I hope your getting a little chuckle along side me as I can't help but just laugh at myself in these kinds of senerios...
I constantly struggle with this issue when it comes to EA I either look at the whole chart and miss the important peices or I concentrate too much on each detail and miss the whole picture all together...
It's a problem a big problem lol
Rad what I first looked at in Shaw's chart was the exact sequence in the exact way you stated in your last response to me... I don't know how I always get off track...
I am having so much confusion in my life lately for many reasons the number one being I'm sensitive to everything around me as well as I think I'm really stuck in the middle of left and right brain reasoning...
I also have a really hard time figuring out the duality in every sign and aspect... I don't know if that makes sense but take for example Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th, there is a duality in how those energies can be expressed...
Would my first clue to decerning the duality in the skipped step have been by first going to Pluto and seeing that it is in the 5th house? Pluto in the 5th the world revolves around the recipient of the 5th house Pluto?
I'm going to take time to regroup and hopefully others will share their thoughts on what they see...
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Kristin, thanks for letting me know you added more to your comments re. evolutionary stage. Regarding Shaw's chart, I keep seeing gender identity confusion. Can you confirm this, or otherwise, so I do not head off down the wrong track? Thanks. DDD
Quote from: Rad on Nov 14, 2016, 12:17 PM
Hi All,
Ok, so now we have a new case study to work with. So what we will be doing is:
1. To determine what the skipped steps are, and why, for each of them as individuals.
2. To determine how those individual skipped step signatures have affected their relationship to one another.
3. And then to determine what the skipped steps are with one another.
Kristin has posted the brief existing reality right now between them. So what I would like you to do is to at first just look at each of their individual charts, and determine what the skipped steps are for each as individuals. After that we will then move on to the next steps.
So, at first, let's focus on the boy's chart. Then we will focus on the girl's chart, and go from there.
Remember the value is in the effort. Let me know if you have any questions.
God Bless, Rad
Hiya,
Thank you for letting me follow such wonderful discussion. I'm so excited to contribute, and deepen my practice!
Exploring Shaw's chart - There's a clear link between many of the past ego symbols. South Node (4th, Sco), ruled by Pluto (5th, Sag). This is the focus for the skipped step, Neptune (7th, Aquarius), squaring the Nodes, and Shaw's chart ruler, the Sun (11th, Taurus). Interestingly, the Leonine energy in itself is a connection to childhood, and a feeling of being grounded in his power amongst other.
Identifying the archetypes to a story, I experience Shaw's past as a sort of concubine, maintaining and taking care of themself in order to satisfy the emotional (and sexual needs) of a myriad of others. I take it that there was a clear lack of boundaries in where Shaw's character's own issues began and end (heavy 12th house, and a strong energetic, emotional awareness opposite Pluto). Jupiter in Virgo (and opposite Uranus in Pisces, 8th), is a place where I get the feeling of Shaw's important concubine position, being able to travel and receive gifts in exchange for their character's physical service.
Neptune as the skipped step, leading into the South Node, a solution lies in the confrontation of creative energies. Perhaps recognizing the necessity of standing as equals with his sister. It's clear to me that the learning opportunity should be confronted at this particular time in childhood, with the Leonine personality and the emphasis on a powerful 5th house. Neptune in 7th describes our emotional connection to Source through others, and our ease of getting lost through the dissolution of personal boundaries. I imagine that there is a feeling of superiority carried over from the past in Shaw's life, as their character had an immense talent for using creative, sexual energies, and their identity was even sculpted by these skill-sets. However, they became used to their own power, where Shaw's voice today, is still stuck in the self-importance which he allotted himself in the past. Now, however, it is being expressed through the guise of a 12-year old boy. I think that it would be healing for Shaw to recognize that imbalance between his internal experience, and how's it's being expressed outwardly. This confrontation with his sister seems like a solution for him to see that his attitude of power and disdain does not necessarily come from him, and are carried over from experiences in the past.
It will be interesting to look at his sister's chart, to see what her role has been in Shaw's past lives.
Hi Rad,
If I may just ask one last question stemming from the earlier discussions that were removed
.. if I understood one of your earlier replies correctly, I remember you saying that embracing the polarity point of Pluto will allow Soul to naturally evolve towards the significations of its Pluto north node.
Can I use the same understanding for all planets including the moon? As in, embracing the polarity point of moon will naturally allow the evolving mind/ego towards the attributes of north node of the moon at the appropriate time?
Would paying attention to polarity point of moon naturally guide the ego-mind to evolve towards the resolution node in play and not overstay there even after resolving it?
Could this be a way of ensuring that the Soul evolves through skipped steps in a timely and efficient manner?
What does polarity point of Sun signify?
Thank you 😊
Looking at Shaw's chart now...
Uranus, in the 8th, is also trining the South Node(4th) and forming grand trine with Saturn in 12th. I think these are all houses that can point to escapist tendencies in a psyche.
Uranus is in mutual reception with skipped step Neptune in the 7th. This further reinforces the importance of Uranus in influencing the South Node which shows root of SStep.
Maybe the previous life had incidents where this Soul escaped reality by justifying its own emotional(Cancer) objectives(Saturn).. and these were caused by deep desires(8th) or delusions(Pieces) regarding its own sense of individuality (Uranus) within relationships(ruler of 7th) or rebelling against relational compromises. And all this would have been played out in the home environment or with motherly figures (SouthNode in 4th)
.. perhaps obsessing(Scorpio) to be the "certain of attention" (mentioned by Rad)in the homefront.
Just trying....
Hi Rad, Kristin and Group,
Here are some brief thoughts on Shaw´s skipped step. Thank you for the ongoing learning process.
Shaw´s skipped step seems to be revolving around his unrealistic expectations he has regarding others and how those others treat him. This is his Neptune in Aquarius in the Seventh House relative to his bottom line Pluto in the Fifth House in Sagittarius. One main potential limiting factor in his Soul can be the subconscious desire to be treated as the center of the Universe, as Rad stated.
His evolutionary intention is to progress towards the Eleventh House in Gemini in order to learn objectivity about his limiting subconscious desires of wanting to be treated as special and possibly even superior to others, even within the family. By becoming objectively aware of the limitations in his desire to be the center of the Universe, he can progressively learn to interact and communicate with others in new ways which are based on equality, which leads to a natural friendship with others, based on the respect for each other´s individuality and uniqueness.
With the South Node in the Fourth House in Scorpio he may of had a few past lives or experiences within those past lives in which the rug of emotional security was pulled out from under him within his own family context. As Heather said, the potential for abuse within the family, including sexual abuse is also a potential reality within these symbols.
With Neptune in the Seventh House in Aquarius square the Nodal axis in the Fourth and Tenth Houses, relative to his natal Pluto in the Fifth House in Sagittarius, he may have very unreal and high expectations that others will serve his every whim and treat him as he subconsciously desires to be treated. With Neptune square the Nodal axis it indicates past life disillusionments with others who have not treated him as special and who may of even abandoned him, or worse. Because of his unrealistic expectations he could become extremely demanding and overbearing which would only push others further away. Another potential is him using others indiscriminately or being dishonest in relationships because of a lack of boundaries relative to his desire for self gratification and/or attention.
Another potential with Neptune in the Seventh House would be to project ultimate meaning onto the people he loves and values. The projecting of ultimate meaning onto others also creates unrealistic expectations and ultimately leads to disillusionment as others at some point in time show that they are only human. This dynamic of projecting ultimate meaning can be projected upon anyone of importance, including family members in past lives which led to the current life. There can also be an unrealistic or unbalanced expectation that others would be able to make him feel secure.
The inability to see others clearly because of projected expectatoins may of led to situations of abuse and powerlessness in his recent past lives, even within his family of origin and within his partnerships and friendships as Neptune is in Aquarius. This equals trauma and a difficulty in trusting others.
The resolution Node is the South Node, which in the Fourth House, relative to his Neptune skipped step and Pluto bottom line, indicates the need to develop his inner sense of security by penetrating to the core of his emotional body and empowering himself by eliminating out-moded emotional security needs and consequent behavior. He needs to learn to be able to recover his ability to trust others by being fundamentally self secure from within first. With Pluto in the Fifth House in Sagittarius which rules the South Node, this can be accomplished by desiring to view himself as he is, honestly, and by having the courage to re-create himself and develop a healthy self image which is empowered and ultimately, by creatively actualizing himself instead of over expecting from others.
He also has the Moon conjunct Pluto with the Moon located in the Sixth House, which potentially indicates a lifelong process of constant renewal of his self image as he continually dies and is reborn symbolically, and as he evolves thru his emotional body and progressively improves his self image. The Moon conjunct Pluto is another indication of the need to metamorphose any pre-existing limiting dynamics within his emotional make up, his self image and his security needs. This restates his Fourth House South Node security needs which need to be developed from within himself by eliminating any outmoded emotional dynamics rooted in unreal expectations and a potentially dramatic way of responding emotionally, which leads to emotional and psychological crisis.
Thank you
All the best
Hi Heather,
"I am having so much confusion in my life lately for many reasons the number one being I'm sensitive to everything around me as well as I think I'm really stuck in the middle of left and right brain reasoning...
I also have a really hard time figuring out the duality in every sign and aspect... I don't know if that makes sense but take for example Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th, there is a duality in how those energies can be expressed.."
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In time you will be able to 'see' the whole chart at once Heather. But that of course takes practice, and working with clients to arrive at that place.
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"Would my first clue to decerning the duality in the skipped step have been by first going to Pluto and seeing that it is in the 5th house? Pluto in the 5th the world revolves around the recipient of the 5th house Pluto?"
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Yes
God Bless, Rad
Hi Merlyn,
Thanks for joining our little group here, and for you contribution thus far. The story you came up with to illustrate the dynamics you have pointed out is ok for the purposes of this thread. However, as JWG taught, unless one actually knows the past lives of another it is a disservice to any Soul to present past life 'stories' as if they are real. What is important in EA is to understand the evolutionary and karmic dynamics involved in the Soul's ongoing evolutionary journey. Those dynamics do not actually need 'stories' to go along with them unless those stories are presented as such to a client for illustrative purposes so the client can have a deeper understanding of those dynamics. Saying to to all of us here, not just you.
You stated: "This confrontation with his sister seems like a solution for him to see that his attitude of power and disdain does not necessarily come from him, and are carried over from experiences in the past."
That which is carried over from his past does in fact come from him: no one else. With his N.Node in the 10th one of the ongoing skipped steps for him is to accept the responsibility in his own actions instead of the existing temptation to feel victimized by circumstances that he himself, his Soul, are responsible for creating.
Again, thanks for contributing and joining our little group here. We look forwards to more of your contributions and work.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Priya
"If I may just ask one last question stemming from the earlier discussions that were removed
.. if I understood one of your earlier replies correctly, I remember you saying that embracing the polarity point of Pluto will allow Soul to naturally evolve towards the significations of its Pluto north node. Can I use the same understanding for all planets including the moon? As in, embracing the polarity point of moon will naturally allow the evolving mind/ego towards the attributes of north node of the moon at the appropriate time? Would paying attention to polarity point of moon naturally guide the ego-mind to evolve towards the resolution node in play and not overstay there even after resolving it? Could this be a way of ensuring that the Soul evolves through skipped steps in a timely and efficient manner?"
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Once the Soul makes a choice to embrace, evolve towards, the polarity point of natal Pluto then ALL THE NATURAL POLARITY POINTS IN THE BIRTH CHART BECOME ACTIVATED because of that choice.
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"What does polarity point of Sun signify?"
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The ongoing sense of purpose, and how to integrate the entire lifetime relative to the ongoing evolutionary journey of the Soul: the entire Pluto paradigm in the birth chart.
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"Looking at Shaw's chart now...
Uranus, in the 8th, is also trining the South Node(4th) and forming grand trine with Saturn in 12th. I think these are all houses that can point to escapist tendencies in a psyche. Uranus is in mutual reception with skipped step Neptune in the 7th. This further reinforces the importance of Uranus in influencing the South Node which shows root of SStep. Maybe the previous life had incidents where this Soul escaped reality by justifying its own emotional(Cancer) objectives(Saturn).. and these were caused by deep desires(8th) or delusions(Pieces) regarding its own sense of individuality (Uranus) within relationships(ruler of 7th) or rebelling against relational compromises. And all this would have been played out in the home environment or with motherly figures (SouthNode in 4th) .. perhaps obsessing(Scorpio) to be the "center of attention" (mentioned by Rad)in the homefront.
Just trying..."
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The value is in the effort Priya. And by continuing to make such efforts you will progressively arrive at a keen and ever deeper understanding. The effort you just made here IS ACCURATE. Bravo !
God Bless, Rad
Hi Skywalker,
Thank you for you contribution.
IT IS AS SIMPLY EXCELLENT AS IT IS ACCURATE. Bravo !
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad Kristin and Everyone,
I thought a lot about this chart yesterday and I even dreamed about it last night...
Skywalker thank you for jumping in and a lot of what you said after Rads last post to me is what I was thinking about...
What I came up with was some sort of abuse of power due to survival needs, south node in Scorpio in the 4th seeing himself as superior or more important than others or that his survival was more important, not seeing others clearly due to that reality and his expectations of others, Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th...
I was also looking at that mercury in Aries in the 10th as supporting my thoughts as well as the abuse of power over children possibly with south node of Mars in Scorpio in the 5th in aspect to that Mercury in Aries in the 10th...
I also thought a lot about that Saturn Mars conjunction in cancer in the 12th, I feel like that has so much to do with the why of it all but I don't know exactly what that stands for... Saturn conjunct Mars in the 12th a restriction of some sort, imprisionment or hospitalization or imprisionment in ones own mind and then it being in cancer I couldn't help but think it has something to do with the Mother, a loss of the Mother in some way... Possibly illness in the family?
Rad thank you for the encouragement, I know I will get better at this...
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
The Mars/Saturn in Cancer in the 12th directly correlates with the root/ essence of the skipped steps relative to the N.Node in the 10th that also has that Mercury in Aries within it: ruled by that Mars/Saturn conjunction. This is all about accepting the responsibility in his own actions versus feeling victimized by that which is Soul has created. And that feeling victimized of course then extends into the projections upon just about anyone including his family members. There is a great deal in all of these symbols that directly correlate to the specifics of any given life, the circumstances of what he has created in the past coming into the current life. Yet, right now, it is important to try to understand the core evolutionary and karmic dynamics, the roots of it all, more than what those specific circumstances may or may not have been.
God Bless, Rad
Ok Rad thank you,
So what is the core root of this intention? Is this to become totally emotionally secure with in himself as you say to take responsibility for his circumstances and stop projecting his emotional needs/realities/traumas on others Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th? Saturn conjunct Mars in cancer in the 12th to be his own nurturer to take control of his own circumstances and actions? Through the North node in the 10th in Taurus learning total security from with in Taurus, and taking complete responsibility for his life North Node in the 10th...
Also Rad isn't this really the core intention of every human individually and collectively? This is really being emphasized with the current planetary line up?
Heather
Rad and Everyone,
Is it also the reality that in life there are no victims really? That is something I struggle with because I feel the innocence in many people and when things like genocide happens to whole cultures it's hard for me to understand that there is no Victim there in that circumstance?
Heather
Hi DDD,
You wrote: Regarding Shaw's chart, I keep seeing gender identity confusion. Can you confirm this, or otherwise, so I do not head off down the wrong track?
I understand that you are relating gender identity confusion with Neptune in the 7th squaring Nodes in Cancer and Capricorn houses. It is a valid question. His Soul has been flipping back and forth between the male and female body in order to integrate both sides of gender. While those houses do connect to gender, and his Soul flipping back and forth is reflected here, there is not really any confusion around this. He highly sensitive and extremely talented musically which is an expression of his inner feminine. He is a dancer, all genres, and a wonderful pianist.
In terms of the dynamics related to his skipped steps, it really goes back to him learning how to nurture and cultivate his own inner feminine, his emotional body in order to develop more security within himself, versus looking to a mother or a partner to fulfill those needs, where he expects them to validate him at every turn.
An example of this is that the family he is in loves this ALL GIRL rock band and they are regulars at their concerts, often invited to private parties and always welcomed back stage. He used to get oodles of attention, but as his sister grew a bit older, or as the mother said, became 'cute', her Mars in Leo shining bright, she started getting more attention from the girls in the band than her brother did, she eclipsed Shaw. This created great anger as well, intense jealousy, SN in Scorpio in the 4th. Remember they BOTH have Pluto in the 5th.
So for now, stay focused on his need to find security within, South Node in the 4th, developing the strength of the feminine within himself, as he has been way out of balance in this respect. When the expectations cease, Neptune in the 7th in Aquarius square the Nodes, the anger will subside as well. He is learning how to objectify his own emotions, the projections within this, in the context of his relationships and how this also impacts others. How this makes them feel because of his compulsive need for attention and emotional demands if things don't go his way. So by also taking responsibility, North Node in the 10th, for how his actions effect others.
Peace,
Kristin
Hi Everyone,
i'm arriving a bit late to our discussion but will give it a try.
By looking at Shawn's chart, taking all that you've already pointed out and focusing on the root of where all might be coming from, i notice a pattern on the chart with neptune in aquarius in the 7th, uranus in pisces 8th, pluto 5th saggitarius. Uranus rules 7th and 8th, pisces rules 9th, scorpio rules 5th.
With neptune being the skipped step, pisces in the 9th, venus, mars, saturn in ceres in the 12th, makes me think of guilt behind trauma, masochistic or sadistic behaviour, possibly involving death of a child? Pluto in the 5th, all 8th house trauma and south node in the 4th in scorpio makes me think actual death of children has occurred with denial of actual reality/truth, projection of responsibility on others of what might have occurred? And consequently remaining a "child" not to face it?
That's what comes to mind so far by looking at the chart, would that be a possibility?
Furthermore it is really impressive the similar emotional pattern on both charts.
All the best,
Helena
Thank you for clarifying polarity points for me, Rad;
and for your much valued encouraging words😊
Hi Heather,
"So what is the core root of this intention? Is this to become totally emotionally secure with in himself as you say to take responsibility for his circumstances and stop projecting his emotional needs/realities/traumas on others Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th?"
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This is one of the intentions, yes.
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"Saturn conjunct Mars in cancer in the 12th to be his own nurturer to take control of his own circumstances and actions? Through the North node in the 10th in Taurus learning total security from with in Taurus, and taking complete responsibility for his life North Node in the 10th...
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To accept the responsibility of his own actions, instead of feeling victimized by the circumstances he has created. Within this a major intention, and the core of resolving his skipped steps, IS LEARNING OVER AND OVER THAT OTHER PEOPLES REALITIES, NEEDS, ARE EQUAL TO HIS OWN. In this way he will then learn to see others for who they actually are versus his subjective projections upon them that server to trigger all of his old and existing psychological reactions to them. In this way, he will then learn how to LISTEN TO OTHERS in such a way as to actually understand them for who they are, and, in this way, give to others what they actually need versus what he thinks they need from within the prism of his own subjective reality. In these way he will then utterly metamorphose his inner relationship to himself, relate to himself in these new ways. And, in these ways, he will evolve into new ways to feel secure within himself.
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"Also Rad isn't this really the core intention of every human individually and collectively? This is really being emphasized with the current planetary line up?"
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Sure in an ultimate sense.
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"Is it also the reality that in life there are no victims really? That is something I struggle with because I feel the innocence in many people and when things like genocide happens to whole cultures it's hard for me to understand that there is no Victim there in that circumstance"
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Most people struggle with this Heather because most do not have the capacity to see the whole picture of anything. If I am a women who is suddenly raped then from the point of view of that moment I certainly am a victim. Yet if I could see the 'whole picture' of my Soul, beyond the immediate moment, I would then be able to see the inner causes, determinants, that have created that rape. I am no longer a victim.
Take the holocaust of the Jews/ Hitler for example. The Jewish religion starts with the 'belief' that they are the 'chosen' people who, because of that, DESERVE punishment and pain. So a whole group of Jews then gets caught up in the Evil that was Hitler. Even as this was taking place the vast majority of the Jews in Germany refused to accept what Hitler was actually doing. This state of denial that became it's own cause leading to the mass killings of them.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Helena,
Yes, what you have pointed out is within the realm of archetypal possibilities. As we progress with him and his sister we many in fact learn of a specific past life in which this did occur.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad Kristin Everyone,
Ok thank you Rad and Everyone for helping me to understand Shaw's root evolutionary intentions...
Thank you,
Heather
Rad,
Also I wanted to say thank you for pointing out that I don't need to know all the details of what the symbols in the chart actually correlate to, that knowing the core emotional intention or signature behind them, the why, is what is really important...
I think you gave me a clear line to what my biggest issue with learning EA is... I am surely getting stuck in the "details"
Heather
Kristin, thanks for explaining what is going on behind the symbols. Yes, those were the symbols I was looking at when I thought I saw a gender-confused child, along with Mars in Cancer in the 12th house sesquiquadrate Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th house creating a crisis of some kind relative to how to interact with others. But thanks for helping me get back on track. I have not looked at the other two charts yet because I wanted to focus on Shaw's.
Maybe one of the ways Shaw can start to resolve the skipped step, emotionally mature, self-nurture and find that relative stability within himself, is through communicating with himself and others in an objective way - not just reacting, but thinking beforehand. His feelings and emotional needs are obviously very intense and difficult to control (new phase conjunction between Pluto and the moon). If communication is coming through emotional manipulation, tantrums, bad atmosphere and the like is the way he is communicating now, confrontations will continue. There has to be a stabilizing outlet for the kinds of raw emotions Shaw is experiencing. If he could initiate communication with himself (north node in taurus, ruler venus in gemini in the 12th, mercury in aries in the tenth house trine pluto conjunct the moon, pluto being the ruler of the south node in scorpio in the fourth), maybe that would be a good start. If he could do his best to keep a daily journal of his emotions and feelings, even writing in the third person to objectify his feelings if necessary.
Shaw feels very special and has special gifts. But those gifts (the music and dance, as an example), must be connected to a social need, not just for the self-gratification of being loved and admired.
Please tell me if I am way off. Much appreciated.
I just read Rad's response to Heather and got the answer to my last question. I was way off. But I'll keep trying! :)
Hi Rad,
thank you for your answer.
So that would be one isolated situation that contributed the whole we've discussing. Can we say in this case the main issue on the evolutionary intent would be to manifest a positive side of pluto in the 5th, necessary creative self-actualisation, although it would be stuck until this becomes a clear manifestation of inner security, not expecting others to 'adore him' but for him to actually like himself, be proud of himself and of its own realisations, so that it can be respected and recognized (NN 10th) about his own talents. If that is correct, the problem could be guilt/shame are preventing this inner relationship to improve? I see moon in the 6th opposite venus 12th as a possible symbol for it.
Also, i noticed that neptune, the skipped step, is conjunct its south node. Can we make of it the problem started around the shift form matriarchy to patriarchy? I feel there is some information on that symbol but just can't grasp it.
All the best,
Helena
Quote from: Rad on Nov 16, 2016, 08:13 AM
Hi Merlyn,
Thanks for joining our little group here, and for you contribution thus far. The story you came up with to illustrate the dynamics you have pointed out is ok for the purposes of this thread. However, as JWG taught, unless one actually knows the past lives of another it is a disservice to any Soul to present past life 'stories' as if they are real. What is important in EA is to understand the evolutionary and karmic dynamics involved in the Soul's ongoing evolutionary journey. Those dynamics do not actually need 'stories' to go along with them unless those stories are presented as such to a client for illustrative purposes so the client can have a deeper understanding of those dynamics. Saying to to all of us here, not just you.
You stated: "This confrontation with his sister seems like a solution for him to see that his attitude of power and disdain does not necessarily come from him, and are carried over from experiences in the past."
That which is carried over from his past does in fact come from him: no one else. With his N.Node in the 10th one of the ongoing skipped steps for him is to accept the responsibility in his own actions instead of the existing temptation to feel victimized by circumstances that he himself, his Soul, are responsible for creating.
Again, thanks for contributing and joining our little group here. We look forwards to more of your contributions and work.
God Bless, Rad
Thanks Rad! The story-telling comes so easily, and it's clear that it would play a major disservice, if its reality is only through the archetypes conveyed. It makes sense, then, to tune into that central archetypal line.
Awesome responses on everyone's part.
Cheers, Merlyn
Hi Helena,
We are focusing on the cause of his skipped steps, and the resolution of them. What has been written about that reflects this: read what Skywalker wrote for example. The root issue again is his existing desire to be the center of attention, and feeling jealous o threatened when others take that away from him: from his point of view. He is secure within himself when he is the center of attention, and not when others receive that attention. This is why the core resolution of his skipped step is to realize that others realities, needs, etc are are equal to his own. As he learns this, because it has been put in his face, so to speak, over many recent lifetimes he will then learn how to be secure within himself in these new ways as his inner relationship to himself changes as a result of this. It's not a matter of guilt/shame that prevents his inner relationship to change: it is a matter of jealousy of others.
These dynamics within his Soul are more recent that going all the way back to the time of the transition from the matriarchy to the patriarchy. That Neptune/South Node of Neptune refers to Uranus in Pisces in opposition to Jupiter in Virgo: thus from around 1200 A.D till now.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
thank you for clearing that up, i guess i'm far out of focus here by trying to create a 'positive' resolution for the symbols going far from what has been said, when the skipped step is simply clear.
I'll keep that in mind as we go further.
As for the reference dates, would that mean that the skipped step actually started around that time you point out and lasted until now? If that is so, when skipped step planet makes a conjunction to other planetary nodes, generally can we assume it has started in correlation to that time, or close reference planet, meaning a long time taking resolution? And that be noticed all the way in the chart until now or it is demanding resolution in some lives and not always?
Sorry if this are a bit of confusing questions but relating planetary nodes with natal planets is still not very clear for me.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Rad and Kristin
It all seems to be whizzing by, and I haven't had time at all to read any of the discussion on these new charts, and may not get much either by the look of it. However it's now late for me, so I'll print out the charts and synastry and just write what I can tomorrow and at least try and get something posted.
thanks Upasika
Hi Upasika,
You are going one step at a time with this. The first step has been to identify the skipped steps in the brother chart. The next will be his sisters. Then the synasty, then the composite for them.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Helena
"As for the reference dates, would that mean that the skipped step actually started around that time you point out and lasted until now? If that is so, when skipped step planet makes a conjunction to other planetary nodes, generally can we assume it has started in correlation to that time, or close reference planet, meaning a long time taking resolution? And that be noticed all the way in the chart until now or it is demanding resolution in some lives and not always?"
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It really does not matter about identifying exactly when the skipped steps began in a birth chart. When we see the skipped step signature in a birth chart that means in all cases that the Soul has come to a place in it's ongoing evolutionary journey in which those skipped steps have come to a head: and for the Soul to proceed in it's evolution it must now recover to skipped steps to do so.
God Bless, Rad
Thanks to everyone for comments on Shaw's chart. I have been thinking about how Shaw could be helped, from a practical point of view, to interact with others as equals, their needs being just as important as his own. Surely there must be a way other than continual confrontations with family members and friends. When I see Pluto and the Moon in a first phase conjunction, I can only try to imagine the deep emotional waves consuming this soul. I don't mean to underestimate children (I have known children who seemed more mature than their own parents), but surely he needs guidance. Pluto conjunct the moon in Saggitarius could perhaps mean a strong female teacher to help (his mother? his sister?). Kristin mentioned his dancing and music abilities. Perhaps he could learn to listen to others through that dance, partnering with others where he can actually experience the equal give and take. Self-examination and reflection might naturally happen as a result of dissipating such strong emotions through the movement and joy of dancing with another. It sounds healthier than doing a slow burn in private when others get a bit of attention.
Hi DDD,
You are so right. Kristin will be updating us on exactly what you brought up.
God Bless, Rad
HI DDD,
Excellent point.
Yes you are correct in saying that some powerful female forces will be present in his life to impact his evolution, seen with the Pluto in the 5th conjunct the Moon in the 6th. This signature also reflects strong female forces where there is intense karma ie the sister, and the mother has traveled with him for some time, also the mom has undoubtedly found herself in between this power play before with the sibs in other lives. So obviously his mom is a strong force in the equation, getting him into seeing a female therapist, and seeking out guidance from a female Evolutionary Astrologer, to help him work through and understand the WHY to his intense emotions, all seen here with Pluto conjunct the Moon, Pluto being the ruler of his SN in the 4th in Scorpio, his RESOLUTION NODE. Shaw is also very interested in alternative ways of understanding the world, like his mom he is very progressive in his thinking and interests already at the age of 12, so he is very open to therapy and astrology. It becomes a safe outlet for him to channel his pent up emotions. I can also feel him embracing his Pluto Polarity.
In dance, he also has a very strong female teacher who used to perform with some big names on the big stage. Shaw SHARES the stage too with others, inevitably there are always other people who become the center of attention in different pieces, so he does need to take his turn.
As the sister grows up and it continues to be just the two of them at home, then his need to be the center of attention will always be staring him straight in the face and become an ongoing trigger. His sister's Mars in Leo square Shaw's Nodes, she is very competitive with him, as well she is a true extrovert. Off stage, Shaw is an absolute introvert and highly sensitive to his surroundings with his Mars, Venus an Saturn in the 12th. However the work is not all about him. There is of course work with the sister that also needs to occur. Her needing to respect his space and be mindful of how her actions trigger and effect him. It is a two way street in terms of being aware of other people' realities and making them equal to their own.
SO yes DDD, it feels as if Shaw is getting the help that he needs, but it will be up to him to make new choices in the face of old dynamics.
Peace,
Kristin
Hi Kristin and Everyone,
Just a quick question, you said Shaw's sister has her Mars in Leo squaring the nodes but I don't see that in the chart you shared? I see Mars in Leo in the 12th and not squaring the nodes?
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
She does not have Mars squaring the Nodes. Her Mercury and Venus square her Nodes. We will be starting with her chart very soon.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thanks for the direction - that was very helpful so most appreciated.
I've looked at Shaw's chart and gone into what I see in some detail - hope that's ok.
Just jumping in I may be a bit off track in places, as I did it without reading anything on here first. But after I'd written it I read through the posts and feel its basically on target, but will be grateful for any guidance you or Kristin feel to give.
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Shaw
Pluto in the 5th is all about self-actualisation. Basically this involves bringing what is essential to oneself, from the inside into expression in the outside world.
First things first though - what is the self, this "self" that is going to be actualised? We all have a sense of our self, based firstly on the ever-present, emotionally-based, subconsciously-felt inner image we have of ourselves (4th/Moon/Cancer).
However this self-image is automatically modified whenever we experience change in our situation. Change is generally brought about whenever we enact conscious desires (1st/Mars/Aries) that bring about some change, or when we experience events in our life that impact us in a significant way, also causing change. Then how we feel, think and see ourselves (our self-image), and now want for ourselves - all of which comprises our inner felt "I" at any point in time - also adjusts in line with these changes.
Pluto being in the 5th house shows that this sense of our self has over past lifetimes grown ever deeper, until it has now reached to a soul level, where it is expanding within the very Soul itself. Remembering that in its pure essence the Soul is consciousness itself "¦ when Pluto (our Soul) is in the 5th house (creativity/self-actualisation) what this means is that this complex sense of our self, our "I", is expanding from very deep within - from directly within consciousness itself.
And since consciousness(/unconsciousness) permeates our whole being, this then creates a feeling within us of being all filled up with "our self". The glow created in our interior (to whatever extent we are conscious of our interior) by such a feeling, is like an inner flame (fire house) that cannot be put out. On the one hand this can be an immensely fortifying feeling, but on the other it can induce a sense of imbalance - as in relation to our inner sense of such fullness, everything outside us can seem (relatively) flat and possibly at times, somewhat empty. This is not necessarily a comfortable feeling - as an experience of imbalance is not usually a stable, restful psychological state.
Thus, also sensed on a deep level, is a need for the inner and outer to be in less imbalance. Arising directly from this is an urge to fill the perceived lack in the outer with some of the "surplus" from within - with some of our bountiful "self" - via expression of that self to others and to our environment, thus reducing the sense of inner pressure. This re-establishes some or all of the balance we felt was missing. This can be done compulsively - as when the fullness inside forcefully bursts forth into the environment; or the fullness inside can be expressed into the environment consciously - as in art, music, play, and all other kinds of constructive creative expression.
So, as what inside is sensed as oneself is expressed into different visible forms in the outer world, what one is, is made actual, objectively real - both for the Pluto in the 5th person, and for everyone else. This whole process then is the process of self-actualisation.
In whole, such inner phenomena induce the feeling that one has a deep inner purpose to fulfil in the current lifetime. And along with that, the 5th house is a fire house - and all fire houses bring a sense that one has a special destiny in one's life to fulfil. With Pluto in the 5th that special destiny is then linked to this deepest desire for self-actualization.
However having a sense of this special destiny (5th) at a soul level (Pluto), can sometimes lead to a person to feeling special in relation to others - which invariably becomes a complicating factor. Because if this secondary feeling of being more special than others is not validated by others, then this impacts in a deflating way on ones sense of self, the experience being a sense of loss of self. And at a soul (Pluto) level a sense of loss of self can also be synonymous with a sense of "inner death" (Pluto). Therefore having Pluto in the 5th often means that the person will have a very deep desire to be recognised as being special, recognised as having a special destiny, and if necessary recognised as being more special than others. Such a compulsive need for recognition often manifests as a very deep pursuit for love and adulation, for flattery, for attention, for the focus to be on oneself.
Thus in these cases it can be very difficult for other people to understand the feeling that generally all those with Pluto in Leo have concerning the imbalance between their inner and outer. Others often experience these people as being unbearably self-seeking, self-serving, craving for acknowledgement, praise, love, power and glory. Which in reality Pluto in 5th people often are - but knowing why does help to understand them at a deeper level. And all these manifestations are basically sideshows to the core of what Pluto in the 5th is all about - which is simply bringing the essence of what has formed inside, one's subjective sense of self, into visible expression in the outside world in a creative way.
It is about discovering the power of creative expression, because if this self-expression is done for the joy of doing so (rather than from compulsion) it can bring us directly in touch with our own consciousness, our inner light - where in our own unique way we are mirroring the creativity of Source itself. This is the gift of Pluto in the 5th.
So all of this above is where Shaw is at on a Soul level, it is where his evolutionary focus has been in recent lives. And therefore this is where he will pick up from and continue on from in this life.
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While not always necessary when delineating a chart, as part of seeing how Shaw has gone about his evolutionary requirements in the past, we will very briefly deepen our look at Pluto in his chart by looking at the South Node of Pluto - which is in his 6th house. The SNode of Pluto is equivalent to the "past" of Pluto, showing what lead to the current Pluto being in the situation it is in.
The SNode of Pluto being in the 6th shows us that prior to his most recent lives, Shaw's deepest evolutionary concerns were involving self-improvement, service, humility, discrimination and purification. Through such things he was making big adjustments in his inner world so as to transition from an essentially self-centred consciousness to a more socially aware consciousness, preparing for more involvement in society with others in all areas generally. There would have been big focus on work in so many of its aspects, on health, on analysis and synthesis. If the capacity, propensity and willingness to analyse inwardly and outwardly is under-developed 6th house dynamics operate as crisis and mental angst until this is rectified, and becomes a progressive functioning in the individual. With the Pluto SNode polarity point in the 12th this will have been achieved by learning to simplify and clarify one's mental process (6th) and relationships with people and situations, and developing a holistic understanding of reality so that one can let go emotionally and trust in an infinite universe, and it's obviously infinite Creator. With the ruler of the Pluto SNode in Capricorn (Saturn) then actually being in this 12th house, and with almost exclusively harmonious aspects to it, we can see that Shaw has indeed probably mastered all those soul lessons in previous lives. Much more can be done at this level, but even leaving it at that it is easy to see that this quick check of the "pre-Pluto" indications in the chart can be very useful for clarifying the current condition of the Soul in this life.
Therefore we can factor into Shaw's current soul condition a very possible deep mastery of 6th house issues. Given that he now is involved at a soul level with the opposite kind of concern (self-enhancement) this would suggest that Shaw will not (initially anyway) be so drawn into the difficulties with the grandioseness issues of the 5th house - other factors may counteract that, but when we also consider Shaw's Pluto is at the end of the 5th house portraying a long journey through 5th house matters at a soul level is now culminating, knowing about his prior mastery of 6th house issues suggests Shaw will not be overly troubled by the more difficult Pluto in 5th house issues in this life. And Shaw's prior mastery of 6th house matters will also be interesting later on when looking at Chloe's chart.
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The next step in understanding how Shaw has gone about his evolutionary requirements in the past is to briefly look at Pluto's aspects. First of all, anything between Pluto and its ruler (Jupiter in 2nd, Virgo)? - yes a bi-septile. Amongst other things this indicates key interactions with others that will make him aware of who can help him to further fulfil his social responsibilities. We also have a close new conjunction with the Moon, indicating that Shaw has recently attained to a new level of emotional independence. We know this because a new cycle always comes after a previous cycle that has completed. We don't know yet what that level actually is, but we know it's new and that he will be making completely new choices when it comes to his self-image and emotional expression/conduct. Next, oppositions to Venus and Mars show relating with others will be a big deal for Shaw - firstly oppositions are always about engaging in society with others, but added to that Venus and Mars are the "socialising" planets, so a double effect. A waxing trine to Mercury in the 10th, Aries shows Shaw will be a creative (trine) and independent (Aries) thinker within his career and regarding society matters (10th).
We move next to the Lunar SNode in the 4th in Scorpio. This reveals the way Shaw has been actualising himself (Pluto 5th). That the 4th and Scorpio are a water house and water sign shows us this has largely been within the realm of his emotional body. With the Moon's SNode being in the 4th house Shaw has been working on developing emotional independence, and being in Scorpio digging deeply into emotional issues, experiencing the actuality of his feelings would have inevitably been his natural approach to such issues. However the 4th house has Libra on the cusp (starts with Libra), so straight away we know where many of Shaw's emotional issues will have originated - from within his relationships. This is a repeating theme initially seen with some of the aspects Shaw has to his Pluto in the 5th; Pluto conjunct the Moon was about emotional dynamics, and the oppositions to Venus and Mars were about relating dynamics. These repeating themes firm up the view that Shaw's creative purpose (Pluto 5th) has been to initiate and use relationships (Libra), to help him to penetrate and overcome his emotional (4th) and psychological (Scorpio) limitations (Scorpio).
Aspects to the Moon's SNode show us what kinds of relationships these would have been; the SNode has relevant aspects reaching into the 2nd, 6th, 7th, 8th and 12th houses. In other words many kinds of relationships - his relationship to himself and his metaphysical learning (Jupiter in 2nd), with others at his work or whom he felt could teach him something (Moon in 6th/Sagittarius), with individuals who intrigued him and/or who were in religious groups, or with people who seemed to be in touch with some awakened force within that defied logical explanation (Neptune in 7th/Aquarius; Uranus in 8th Pisces), and with (Venus) anybody (Gemini) who promised him salvation (12th), or who made him feel emotionally protected and safe from the whole world (Saturn in 12th/Cancer).
So now we know something about Shaw's creative purpose, and the way or style in which he has projected that into his environment. The next thing is to see in more detail the exact mechanics of how he has actually gone about achieving his purpose within the framework he has created for himself to do that in. For this we look at the ruler of the Moon's SNode, and this turns out to be Pluto itself. Oh dear "¦ everything was reasonably "ok" up to this point. But why do I say this?
Well we need to step back a bit and recall what Pluto in the 5th is all about and what that entails. It's about actualising the sense of self we have inside of us, which means bringing it out into our environment via our creative expression in whatever way is natural for the individual. The sense such people have of themselves is generally well developed (full), and can sometimes be extremely well developed (bloated). This, combined with the sense of special destiny conferred by the 5th house, can make it relatively easy for them to feel better, higher or superior in some or many way(s) to others. And if taken to an extreme Pluto in the 5th can manifest as an individual literally feeling they are on a mission from God with no need to ever consider anyone else other than themselves - severe self-delusion. These are the possible pitfalls of the Pluto in 5th evolutionary journey.
Thus it's always significant how a Soul goes about its evolutionary growth, whether it does so in a way that avoids as much as possible the worst pitfalls that can plague the particular evolutionary journey it is on any point in time, or otherwise. And we can tell this by the condition of the SNode and its ruler. If the Moon's SNode and ruler portray choices and pathways that steer the individual safely towards the North Node location, and that of its ruler, and/or towards the Pluto polarity point (PPP) then the chances of the Soul falling foul of all pitfalls built into its evolutionary journey at that point are correspondingly lessened.
But that's not the case here with Shaw's SNode ruler being Pluto itself. This means there is a real possibility that extremely deep resistance (Pluto) to following through with the Soul's evolutionary requirements has occurred - and this resistance is extremely deep - at the level of the Soul itself. Why would this be the case? Well the SNode is "meant" to be used to help the Soul (Pluto) to fulfil its karmic and evolutionary requirements, so ideally it will draw on areas of the individual and its life that can act to facilitate that (via it's ruler). But it doesn't draw on anything different to the Soul itself, just goes back to the Soul; the opportunity for facilitation via its ruler is effectively lost. So in this case we need to see how much the SNode on its own is able to facilitate the growth.
Well with Shaw, if we remember, the SNode in large part simply repeated the themes we observed for the Soul - emotional and relationship dynamics. So energetically and experience wise we are basically going round in circles here. It is this that indicates that he is stuck, really stuck, in a rut.
This could have come about for many reasons which will gradually reveal themselves. But an obvious starting point is within the 4th house Scorpio SNode itself. This symbolises a deeply emotional family situation, and it's quite possible that Shaw's needs as a child have never been met for lifetimes on end, simply because he has never been recognised for who he truly is by his parents and siblings - a classic Pluto or SNode in 4th house situation. Also with Scorpio involved there may have been incest or some other deep sexual issues arise at some point that were hidden away (SNode sesquiquadrate Venus in the 12th), affecting the way Shaw listened (Venus) to himself, possibly adopting a victim identity (12th) - waxing sesquiquadrate (humilation).
Regardless of how it has arisen however, Pluto ruling the SNode now puts a whole new slant on the actual condition of Pluto in his chart, and everything associated with it that we have covered up to this point - it's aspects to other planets and the houses and signs they are in; the house and sign of the SNode and its aspects to other planets and the houses and signs they are in. We can safely assume that in recent lives the more unhealthy expressions of Pluto in the 5th had been manifesting - that Shaw probably was (and no doubt probably still is) very egocentric (5th), most likely obsessed (Pluto) with himself (Leo on ASC and on 2nd house with Jupiter in the 2nd - all expanding his self-interest, 5th house) and his own societal concerns and standing (Mercury in 10th). Pluto new conjunct the Moon could easily have manifested as an emotional loner who instinctively used people, doing so by intentionally creating (5th) crisis (Moon 6th) then sucking other people in (Venus and Mars opposite Pluto/Moon) with false cries for help, manipulating them into giving him attention, love, and praise, all of which would be increasing his emotional power over them, and also his sense of power generally.
With the trines from the Pluto/Moon conjunction to Mercury in the 10th (the furthest reach one has into social position and status) it would have been very easy for Shaw to have used his mental (Mercury) leadership (Aries) skills to serve only himself (Aries) and increase the social (10th) focus he was able to create towards himself. At this point we can also see possible reasons why Shaw has become so bogged down with the restrictive aspects (having a bloated ego) of Pluto in the 5th - Juno balsamic conjunction to Chiron in the 6th suggests wounding (Chiron) as a result of failed relationship agreements (Juno) at the hands of the world (Capricorn), possibly having developed sadistic (6th) tendencies in the process (seen by the fact Mercury is in new quarter square to these - indicating crisis of action, needing to "prove" (1st quarter square) himself to the world (10th) he isn't a failure (6th house) to compensate for the Chiron in Capricorn pessimism and 6th house self-doubt.
Chiron also sesquiquadrates Jupiter in the 2nd Virgo which indicates past survival (2nd) crises (Virgo) are still festering in Shaw, survival issues involving himself on a social level (the sequiquadrate is waning) and some kind of loss of face, possible public humiliation (Chiron 6th/Capricorn) may have happened in the past that is at the bottom of this (Mercury in the 10th (public) also rules Jupiter).
Obviously Shaw has worked out in recent lives that his easy ride is via public (Mercury in 10th) manipulation (to Pluto new conjunct Moon) to satisfy his incessant cravings for attention, respect and love - manipulation because it's Pluto, easy because it's a trine, doing this is Shaw's "new" emotional (Moon) response [he's going to get people to worship him if it's the last thing he does]. He's worked hard at being seen to be publically successful as a massive cover up (and in his mind rectification) of the inner shame he feels at having been a failure.
And to facilitate this huge avoidance of his actual issues of essentially of himself, the ruler of Mercury, Mars, is conjunct Venus, both in the opposition to Pluto. And Mars also in balsamic conjunction to Saturn, both ruled by that Moon, also means they become complicit with Pluto's resistant motivations.
Saturn, the natural ruler of the 10th house, is comfortably located in the 12th house. Comfortably, because it has many easy aspects to other points in the chart. It is also in something of a commanding position here, as these other points are in fact key points - trine to the SNode/sextile to the NNode, septile to the Sun, trine to Uranus, and sextile to Jupiter. Saturn structures our external world and our internal psychological forms. Being here in the 12th (the intangible and non-visible) Shaw can hide his true motives and functioning from most people, thus keeping his egocentric purposes and emotionally sadistical actions disguised (Saturn is in Cancer - emotions, SNode in 4th Scorpio - emotions, Pluto conjunct Moon - emotions).
Such would have been Shaw's determination (Pluto in 5th means taking charge of one's life to create one's own destiny) to be as much at the centre socially and politically (10th) for all the reasons discussed above, he would have started developing his entire 10th house domain, in other words moving away from his 4th house home base (both literally and inwardly) where his SNode is, towards his NNode in the 10th. And in doing so abandoning his SNode in the 4th - which was abandoning his need to process his raw emotions honestly and actually as a way of healing his hurt pride (Pluto 5th), and developing his emotional body and capacity to be emotionally independent. And from this to actualise work that is true and healthy for him (Chiron in the 6th house showing the deep wounding he carries regarding his work). He has obviously found it much easier to create a false life in the world that feeds his need for acknowledgement, respect and power. But in doing this he has ended up developing his NNode before finishing with his SNode evolutionary necessities, and exactly here the foundation for the skipped step is created.
But what has resulted from this skipped step? Well as above, Shaw has moved a long way from his true self on an emotional level. He is harbouring a deeply wounded pride from a failure to survive personally, and failure to provide for family. He has experienced deep public humiliation, and has since been in personal damage control mode. This has likely taken on a sadistic edge (6th - 12th, plus Jupiter opp Uranus in Virgo-Pisces) and Shaw has developed a sophisticated psychological labyrinth of smoke and mirrors so that he will never be found out for who he truly is, while at the same time he has manoeuvred himself into positions socially that guarantee he will be central and important, feeding his cavernous appetite for attention, and a perverted sense of revenge against society in general.
In essence Shaw is hiding from himself. But in the process he has also fooled himself, because in our relationships we need to be clear emotionally as this is our inner rudder which informs us at a core level what we need to know concerning the people we are relating to, and many of our needs within each relationship. But as Shaw has lost sight of himself inevitably that means he has also lost sight of all the other individuals (7th) that come into his life. And we can see this with Neptune in his 7th house - on a mundane level Neptune is very often the great dissolver of definition and clarity, everything becoming murky and confusing. And Neptune is approaching a square to his Nodal axis, showing is that this is the result of his skipped step - his deep avoidance of himself on an emotional level.
The approaching square shows that these results of his skipped step are increasing in intensity, which will be putting the heat on him to address these deep and vital issues in his life. Until he does he will not see people clearly, and just as he deceives others they will deceive him. Already we can see that all this inner and outer deception has started to traumatise him, with the skipped step being in Aquarius, and Uranus trining Saturn (the master of the deceptive processes) being in Pisces in the 8th - more mist, confusion but also deeper layers of deception regarding and in his relationships.
The ruler of his NNode, Venus, is in Gemini, which is capable of duplicitousness and also in the 12th. Venus is the function of listening to ourselves and it closely quincunxes the wound (Chiron), opposes Pluto/Moon (the resistance to emotional honesty), sextiles Mercury in the 10th (the social manoeuvres) and trines Neptune (the skipped step - loss of clarity in relationships). All this is what Shaw hears now when he "listens" (Venus) to himself - his own propaganda (the skipped step of Neptune).
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So how does Shaw progress? Well, briefly, he needs to be very, very careful. Lucifer is almost exactly conjunct his lunar NNode, so the stakes are high, and he is vulnerable. He has stopped listening to others as he doesn't trust them anymore - too many deceits and shocks (Uranus in 8th in Pisces). He has also stopped listening to himself. The resolution node is the SNode in the 4th in Scorpio - he must go back and reclaim him emotions by facing them as they are, instead of avoiding them at all costs. He needs to experience his emotions not suppress them, and take responsibility for them. As he does so he will be able to correspondingly take responsibility for his whole life (NNode in the 10th).
He must also reach wholeheartedly to the PPP (11th house/Gemini) - and it is obvious he has this intention as his Sun is stationed at the beginning of the house, forcing him to focus there. He needs to start to objectify (11th) his situation by integrating himself into society (11th). As he grows older he will need to start listening to the many different viewpoints (Gemini) that exist in his society, and link his need to develop emotionally with corresponding vehicles and functions in society. But all this will come later - he is only young.
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blessings Upasika
Kristin, Rad and everyone, thanks for all the comments to keep us on track.
Hi Rad,
thank you for your answer, it was a light on my understanding of the skipped steps, meaning to really understand, put in an evolutionary perspective what "coming to a head" really is about.
Thank you!
Helena
HI Heather,
My apologies...I meant to write that Chloe's Mars in Leo squares Shaws Nodes, which reflects her competitiveness with him in the context I was referring to.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I will change it above.
~Kristin
Hi Rad Kristin Everyone,
It's completely fine just making sure because I have been working on her chart.
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Upasika and all,
Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to contribute to this thread in the way you have. Your EA work is such a wonderful demonstration of a Soul who totally grasps the underlying principles of EA. For all of you who have read what Upasika has written this is a perfect example of what EA is capable of doing. In the end it is a demonstration of the depth of the archetypes of the houses, signs, planets, and the various aspects and phases between them, and then applying this through the prism of the EA itself.
What Upasika has shared is all the dynamics within the Soul of this boy that have served as the basis, the determinants, that have lead to the skipped steps in this boy's evolutionary journey.
God Bless, Rad
All,
I will be summarizing tomorrow, Tuesday the 22nd, all of the core skipped steps for Shaw. I want to thank all of you who have made the effort to understand, and contribute, to this thread. The value is always in the effort. And by making those efforts it can only lead to an ever deeper understanding of EA itself. We will begin work on Shaw's sisters chart, her skipped steps, on Wednesday.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thank you very much for that. For me, it's always a delight to be involved, with everyone all working together with like mind on a common focus, I really appreciate it.
Also I need to make a correction to a part of my post. I said that the skipped step, Neptune, was approaching the exact square position to the lunar nodal axis, and that this would be intensifying in Shaw's evolutionary journey.
The nodes are at 11 degrees so the exact square point for Neptune is also at 11 degrees (of Aquarius). However Neptune is at 15 degrees and its movement is towards the end of Aquarius (increasing in degree), while the nodes, whose mean (overall) movement is retrograde around the zodiac, are moving backwards towards the beginning of Scorpio and Taurus respectively (decreasing in degree).
Therefore Neptune has already moved 4 degrees past the exact square point, so it's not approaching it's moving away from exact. This alters things as it shows that the Soul is actually past the critical crux of the skipped step and has obviously been through the peak intensity of facing it, and is now hopefully integrating whatever it came to previously in it's evolutionary journey when it was at the exact square point.
This does actually fit a bit better to what we know too. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but it seems Shaw is not always struggling with attention issues etc, it more becomes a problem when someone else is shining...? If that is so, then it would indicate that he has managed to build at least some inner stability for himself.
Looking at the Sun's position (which is always very telling concerning the Soul's assessment of itself) - being in Taurus shows an intention to be self-reliant generally, and it's in a new conjunction to the North Node again suggesting the Soul wants to do things differently now (try new ways of being). And as mentioned before the Sun is at the beginning of the house where Pluto's polarity point is - the 11th house. And it is at the Sun that we are our most conscious so this means Shaw will naturally always be in an 11th house space.
Plus considering that the skipped step has passed it's peak intensity for the Soul, all this adds up to suggest that in very recent lives Shaw has had some insight, at least, into the reality of his situation. That he has seen the need to help himself (Sun in Taurus), and to try (Sun new conjunction moon's NNode) to be less self-obsessed (Sun in 11th).
blessings Upasika
Hi Upasika,
"This does actually fit a bit better to what we know too. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but it seems Shaw is not always struggling with attention issues etc, it more becomes a problem when someone else is shining...? If that is so, then it would indicate that he has managed to build at least some inner stability for himself. "
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The root issue within his Soul that is the root of the skipped steps is his desire/ need to be the center of attention which is then reflected when someone else is shinning. Jealousy is then the result.
God Bless, Rad
All,
Kristin will be updating us on Shaw as she has just had a consultation with him and his mother. I will wait to post the summary of his skipped steps until she shares this update.
God Bless, Rad
Hello again,
I wanted to share with you all that I did a reading for Shaw and his mom this past weekend, and he was just so mature and present for a twelve year old boy. You can see this with his nodal axis, as well as Saturn forming a balsalmic conjunction to his Mars.
This is a short summary of our time together. I had 3 points I wanted to cover, simple teachings that would help Shaw objectify his life and his feelings so he can grow beyond this place he has continued to get stuck. Neptune has moved beyond the square so it is waning as Upasika shared in his additional post, and I did witness some visible awareness in himself, and the desire to heal and grow.
I started the reading this way, sharing with him that he chose this life, this family, and that his Soul even knew his sister was coming through at some point. That what he is experiencing right now are dynamics that did not play out so well in the the past, that it is an opportunity to get it right this time. All Souls pick up where they left off and ALL SOULS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REALITY THEY CREATE.
God is not picking on you by giving you this sister who pushes your buttons, that you are meant to grow through this feeling of turmoil, we cannot skip steps. Its like being given a second chance. I felt him exhale long and slow. I could feel that he understood. He then said, "I am trying harder to be nice. "
I was careful not to use the word feeling like a
victim when helping him understand his tripping points, Neptune square the Nodes, because I was concerned he might check out. I felt it was too strong a word in that time and space. But I stressed the fact that all Souls always create what they need to grow and evolve, that we are all broken and we all have things we are working through, not just him.
When considering his Pluto/Moon conjunction, the Moon being in the 6th, asking him this simple question, "If you could wake up tomorrow and your life would be perfect, what would it look like? What would you change if you could?" I was half expecting him to say that he would be an only child, that his sister would have never been born.
But he said these words, "
No mistakes."
1.
No One is PerfectI could feel those words carry a reverberation from his past knowing he has pushed things too far with Mars balsamic to Saturn in Cancer in the 12th opposing the Moon in the 6th. He has shared with his mother that if his sister wasn't around, he would never get in trouble.
But this also stems from having parents in other lives whose love was conditional, who only loved him when his performance was perfect or when he lived up to their expectation of perfection, which never happened, because who could ever be perfect? Or perhaps if he made no mistakes, then the sister would never become the center of attention when she shined more than he did. There was deep pain and grief in his eyes.
I spent some time talking about the fact that all Souls are in a state of becoming, that no one is perfect, nor will we ever be. That not even God is perfect. His eyes grew big and round and he smiled. I asked him this simple JWG question. How can a perfect something create something imperfect? It isn't possible. That we are all God expressing itself out here in the world and we all make mistakes. It is also about forgiving our past and doing our best in the moment, to make new choices when those old ugly angry feelings arise. At the end of the day, all any Soul can ever do is their best, and in God's eyes that will always be more than enough.
With his Moon in the 6th, the ruler of his Saturn, Mars, in Cancer, he will always be his own worst critic and enemy. Also that this mom in this life, loves him unconditionally and wants nothing more than for him to love himself this way too.
I asked him what makes him happy. I just loved his response.
He said, "
My dog."
I followed with, "What is it about your dog that makes you happy?"
Shaw said, "she is always happy, happy to see me, and she loves pets and cuddles."
I then said, "And she loves you no matter what,right? She does not care if you make mistakes, she loves you just as you are."
Shaw replied, "
Yes, no matter what."
Shaw has a Moon in Sagittarius in the 6th, an animal lover at heart without question. Also because of his own nature, the strong 12th house, his instant recognition of an animal's innocence and pure emotion, who wants nothing more than to love and be loved.
SO after we spoke for a while about this, I asked him what he learned from what has been shared so far? He said
"
No one is perfect."
2.
Everyone Else's reality is equal to His Own
I stressed the importance of respecting each other's natures, understanding that every Soul is different, and has different needs in any given moment. Also how good it feels when we can offer that love and respect to others knowing it is what they need, and when we do this, they will naturally want to extend this love and respect in return.
I said there is a cosmic law that says 'what you put out comes back', or 'every action has an opposite reaction', and he said, "
Karma."? I said, "Bingo." That it is a very simple law to understand, how you can witness it before you eyes while it is happening at times. However, if a choice is made in this moment to hurt another, it may not come back in the next moment with the other person striking back, it could happen the next day and it could come back to bite you from someone you really love or care about.
Everything comes back around.
He shared that things have been better lately that he has been showing his sister more love and affection and that it made him feel really good because he knew it made her feel good. I shared too that when he shows his sister love, it's like the Sun coming out inside of her. That he knows this for himself when someone is showing him this kind of love. He agreed ~ they both have Pluto in the 5th.
3.
"Dance Like No One is Watching."Life is an inside out process and the more any Soul connects within itself, in Shaw's case, finding the music within, or connecting to God in his own natural way, the more that life outside himself will naturally fall into place.
I shared the power of being able to access that place of inner joy while dancing or performing whether someone is watching or not, whether there is a packed house or nothing but empty seats. It's about connecting to something larger than himself, and that place within, the music within for Shaw equals "
true freedom".
That this journey is about creating an inner space of security, confidence and self love regardless of what is happening on the outside, that his state of being becomes not dependent on whether or not something is watching or applauding, or what someone else thinks about him, but a result of the world he has created within himself.
Resolutions - It's time for a Change!
Transting Uranus in Aries, the ruler of his Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th, his skipped step, is conjunct his natal Mercury in Aries in the 10th house. I shared that he is experiencing a very powerful and rare 84 year energetic trend where he can experience a freeing breakthrough relative to his sister, that he can change the way he sees/understands things, objectifying himself and his actions, learning the art of response versus reaction, the choice that will lead to an outcome that he would far prefer ie not getting 'in trouble'.
The transiting South Node in Pisces his conjunct his natal Uranus in the 8th house, energizing Soul change and a breaking free from the trauma of the past. Making new choices in the face of old feelings. So when he gets triggered by his sister, he stops in that moment when he feels the charge, he removes himself, and thinks about the best way to move forward so the same skip in the record does not keep happening.
Shaw said,
"
SO you mean I can change?"
and I said, "Yep, right now. You can change for the better. And the fact that you are sitting here at the age of 12, says one heck of a lot about you and about your mom ~ bravo!"
I reminded him, "You are in charge of your choices and your actions in any moment, and these choices will dictate how it all goes, whether you fuel love or whether you fuel the anger." Sharing too this quote from Yogananda, that "
Anger blots out God." I reminded him that it is natural to feel anger when you have been pushed too far, but its what you do with that anger that has caused you tremendous pain and remorse. If you feed that anger especially when it is directed at another to harm them, that this anger will eclipse anything good. In this instance, nobody wins. You have the power to improve your life in a blink and in any given moment. The change is up to you.
I asked him too what he would change in his life is he could. He said, " More positivity." Transiting Jupiter is in his 4th house now in Libra, an wonderful time to elevate his outlook and to offer immediate results of how his positive emotion can improve his family environment, but it will require giving up old patterns and reactions, and understanding that it is up to him to clear the old negative space, emotions such as anger and jealousy, in order to make room for something that benefits everyone. So I spoke to this trend, that Jupiter will ask him to clear some negative space, anger is like a virus in a computer, it can mess with your whole life. So yes, it is a perfect time for some positive change, but it is up to you to make it happen."
I shared in close
"The more you grow on the Inside, the more your LIGHT shines. People will naturally be drawn to your light. But to grow on the inside because it makes you stronger within, and to let that light shine whether or not someone is watching and whether anyone notices or not.
For Shaw
Two Wolves
A Cherokee Legend
"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, jealousy arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"
The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
Hi Kristin Rad and Everyone,
Kristin thank you for sharing your session with Shaw. Just so beautiful and inspirational that at his young age of only 12 that he is seeing and starting to understand these things about himself as well as his desire to transform the negative emotions that have previously held him in a place of stagnation and despair.
Heather
All,
So here is a summary of the core skipped steps for Shaw.
To accept the responsibility of his own actions, instead of feeling victimized by the circumstances he has created. Within this a major intention, and the core of resolving his skipped steps, IS LEARNING OVER AND OVER THAT OTHER PEOPLES REALITIES, NEEDS, ARE EQUAL TO HIS OWN. In this way he will then learn to see others for who they actually are versus his subjective projections upon them that server to trigger all of his old and existing psychological reactions to them. In this way, he will then learn how to LISTEN TO OTHERS in such a way as to actually understand them for who they are, and, in this way, give to others what they actually need versus what he thinks they need from within the prism of his own subjective reality. In these way he will then utterly metamorphose his inner relationship to himself, relate to himself in these new ways. And, in these ways, he will evolve into new ways to feel secure within himself: the 4th House resolution Node.
The Mars/Saturn in Cancer in the 12th directly correlates with the root/ essence of the skipped steps relative to the N.Node in the 10th that also has that Mercury in Aries within it: ruled by that Mars/Saturn conjunction. This is all about accepting the responsibility in his own actions versus feeling victimized by that which is Soul has created. And that feeling victimized of course then extends into the projections upon just about anyone including his family members. There is a great deal in all of these symbols that directly correlate to the specifics of any given life, the circumstances of what he has created in the past coming into the current life. Yet, right now, it is important to try to understand the core evolutionary and karmic dynamics, the roots of it all, more than what those specific circumstances may or may not have been.
Within this to understand the nature of his expectations that are projected upon others, and well as they are projected upon himself. In other lives the nature of these expectations has caused him to, at times, to terminate relationships with others when those expectations were not met, caused him to project negative judgments on others that were very hurtful, and expectations upon himself that have caused him to stop doing something that he really wanted to do, or a way to be. Skipped steps have occurred when he stoped himself from doing something he wanted to do, or a way of being. They have also occurred by way of other people whom he projected expectations that lead to the termination of relationships with those others.
Other skipped steps include recreating key relationships with family members, intimate others, certain friends from past lives, and relationships that were created as a function of his professional lives. They also include learning how to receive the help of others without projecting ulterior motives upon them when in fact no such motives exist. They include integrating his inner male and female into an androgenous whole that also manifests in his choices for intimate others: others who are also androgenous by nature. Thus,the roles within his intimate relationships become natural versus conditioned: the rigid roles of male and female. Within this then the skipped step lesson wherein the roles of each are equal, their needs are equal, and their individual lives together are equal: not whose is most important.
He also has intense emotional and sexual issues and dynamics from other lifetimes that we have not yet discussed. The link to these issues and skipped steps correlate to repeating key relationships with others in prior lives, including family members, in which these dynamics and issues took place.
If you have any questions please ask.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Thank you Rad for the summary of Shaw's skipped steps. I have taken in everything that everyone has shared that applies to Shaw's chart and I have sat with his chart with all that in mind and hopefully in time I will start to osmose the archetypes and teachings.
Thank you so much for these opportunities to learn,
Heather
Shaw's chart
I have not followed this thread as closely as I'd like, and have only read some of the most recent comments, but I get such a strong sense of this young man that I had to ask if there's any credibility to what I see?
This is one of the most heavily traumatized young persons' charts that I've ever seen. It looks to me that he is simply trying to survive, this lifetime. I flashed on a past life in which conditions were bleak and the environment was severe, harsh and cold. It seemed like native people trying to live off the land like the wild creatures (Pluto moon in Sagittarius), and at times, fighting for survival. But these very same conditions and creatures will become his greatest teachers if he can overcome internal fear, judgment, and self-imposed guilt.
I perceive past-life conditions in which a younger sibling was born, everyone could not be fed / protected, and it eventually caused the demise of both the younger infant and her mother and father, in the process. I see "survivor guilt" in the Pluto moon 5th to 6th house signature, and someone who is drawing upon that experience this lifetime, in attempts to face and heal the trauma.
I think that he might be (current life) petrified that the presence of his sister would cause the weakening of his parents, and he blames himself for feelings of resentment toward her.
I see guilt at being born, at having a loving family, guilt of fearing the arrival of a sibling, and guilt of feeling the need to be the center of attention, just in order to survive.
Leo rules the 2nd house and its' ruler is in Taurus in the 11th. Taurus is the nature of all life forms to survive. It looks to me that he has returned to the house of unresolved trauma to "˜face the music' and try to heal the trauma. His sun is inconjunct the Pluto moon, causing him to freeze at the prospect of past-life memory work. The need for comfort, security and hiding would be so overwhelming it would nearly paralyze him.
The Pluto polarity point is certainly a saving grace - the opportunity to renew and liberate the mind by stepping out of his comfort zone and letting go of his parents' hands, however temporarily.
Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th would require the reassurance and unconditional love of the S.N. in Scorpio, 4th house in order to liberate from the misplaced fear and guilt that he projects on others.
I see the theme of the need for self love, self actualization and self forgiveness (whether it is founded or not) repeating with Leo on the 2nd house cusp - the desire to know himself as beautiful, worthy and complete in the eyes of Father/Mother God, and the Pluto moon signature in the 5th and 6th - his souls' yearning to move beyond survivors' guilt and reclaim the right to be here, now.
It seems that his natal Pluto, retrograde, separating from his moon, only amplifies the feelings of despair, isolation and abandonment that he must have experienced in an earlier life, but he is learning not to feel guilty for wanting to live, even though he may have witnessed the death of his loved ones.
Uranus in Pisces in the 8th house of death, rebirth and metamorphosis is the ruler of Neptune and such a strong psychic wound. I think he will come to see the natural order of things, and the beauty and re-creation in nature in this lifetime, that will replace his fear of the natural world and the cycle of death and rebirth. It opposes Jupiter in Virgo in the 2nd and he will learn not to judge himself so harshly and renew his mind. No one deserves to suffer.
With Neptune on its' own S.N., I feel that Shaw will be able to work with the realms of animals, the natural world, and music in order to align the consciousness of others with the mysteries of creation that are self evident (via that Sagittarius moon) and to, ultimately, not fear the natural processes or changes of lifes' renewals, but instead, to revel in the beauty of the moment. He has quite a brave and prominent Mercury placement for doing so - what a bright light!
Lastly, the Venus / Mars / Saturn stellium in Gemini / Cancer looks pretty tough, but if he can wade into those emotional waters once more, and venture loving those closest to him again (especially his sister) he will ultimately be agreeing to step into the shoes that his father once wore when he had to make impossible decisions, and realize that a parents' love always forgives, and always outlives death. I wanna' see this kid fly!
I realize I've skimmed some of the previous material, but this was so strong, I had to post it. I think all of your comments are amazing and thank you for this opportunity to share.
Kristin and Rad, thank you so much. I am humbled by the opportunity to learn such rare and special teachings through your generosity of Spirit. Kristin for sharing elements of your counselling session, the creativity and sensitivity of your approach. Rad for the straightforward, underlying dynamics. Having these two descriptions, along with everyone else's comments on this MB, is immensely helpful when looking into the symbols of the chart. Kristin, thanks also to your clients for their permission to look at their charts.
Regarding "Dance Like No One is Watching", it reminds me of one of my most favorite movies called "Billy Elliott". In a patriarchal, northern-english mining town where boys are not supposed to dance, Billy Elliott joins a ballet class and learns to do just that. He keeps it a secret. The joy of dancing transforms his life, and the life of the people who know him. DDD
Hi Marty,
Please review all that has been written about Shaw for what has been written directly correlates with the evolutionary and karmic dynamics of his Soul. What you have shared are all within the realm of archetypal possibilities in his chart.
God Bless, Rad
Hi DDD,
You wrote
Regarding "Dance Like No One is Watching", it reminds me of one of my most favorite movies called "Billy Elliott". In a patriarchal, northern-english mining town where boys are not supposed to dance, Billy Elliott joins a ballet class and learns to do just that. He keeps it a secret. The joy of dancing transforms his life, and the life of the people who know him. DDD
This is also a favorite movie of mine, and in our session I referred to Shaw as Billy Elliot. He has that kind of talent and His spirit is so much the same.
Peace,
Kristin
Hi Heather,
Thanks for starting the EA work on the sisters chart, but you are jumping the gun a bit. Kristin and I will be setting the next steps on this tomorrow.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad Kristin Everyone,
Ok thank you Rad, my apologies that I was not clear and went ahead and shared my thoughts on her chart and thought we were starting our work on her chart today. I removed my work from the MB.
Thank you,
Heather
thank you Rad for your response,
I'm studying more closely the responses to Shaw's chart and the insight and depth that you all bring.
I feel so much for his little self as he struggles to comprehend his souls' journey, and his deep need to be a creative individual, while he might not be supported by conventional belief patterns (Pluto retrograde in Sag. in the 5th). I get such a sense of fear from this chart, but also a great desire to grow as a soul.
His Pluto ruler is in Virgo in the 2nd house, approaching last quarter square to his Pluto, creating a crisis in consciousness that I hope will support him in finding the humility that he needs, at his young age, to lean toward generosity and kindness in his relationship to himself and others.
Hopefully, also, his natural trine between Uranus and S.N. will allow him the ability to detach from familial, past life trauma and possible feelings of guilt surrounding loss of family members so that he can objectify, intensify and accelerate his pursuit toward his own 'ultimate sense of meaning' (Gemini ruling 12th house) - communicating and caring outside of his own inner dialogue to see that we all share the same fears.
Mercury in the 10th rules that 12th house cusp. Hopefully he will discover and "feed" the wolf inside that wants to help the other! I hope he finds his way to express himself to Creator and "feeds" that part of himself. As JWG taught, the key to his healing may be the way of Mercury - having his parents repeat unconditional love into his right ear every night.
Blessings of the season to all.
All,
Ok, we are now ready to understand the nature of the skipped steps in Shaw's sister: Choe. Her Pluto is also in the 5th House, just like Shaw's. We need to identify the root issues/ dynamics in her Soul like we have for Shaw. So we will start with that 5th House Pluto in Capricorn: identify the aspects to it that all contribute to he Soul structure. Then we need to examine her S.Node in Cancer in the 12th, that is then ruled by her Moon in Aquarius in the 7th that is conjunct Jupiter, Chiron, Neptune, and is conjunct her S.Node of Neptune, and also the asteroid Eros.
These are all trine her Mercury/ Venus in Libra yet those very planets are square the S.Node, and also her N.Node in Capricorn in her 6th House: her skipped steps. That N.Node is ruled by her Saturn in Virgo in her 2nd, that Saturn is then square her natal Pluto, yet also trine that N.Node. That Saturn is also opposed her natal Uranus in Pisces in her 8th, and that Uranus is the ruler of all those planets/ asteroids in Aquarius in her 7th.
A real KEY is understanding all of this is to examine her natal Pluto and it's inconjunct aspect to Mars in Leo in the 5th, and to see that that 5th House Pluto rules her S.Nodes of Mars, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio in her 4th House. Within that 4th House of course is her natal Sun in Scorpio conjunct asteroid Ceres, ruled by that same 5th House Pluto, and square that Mars in Leo in the 12th. This key correlates to the incredible inner intensity within her Soul, her emotional and psychological needs, desires, to be the center of attention within her family structures, and the degree of intensity that correlates to competing with her family members, especially siblings, Venus in the 3rd squaring her Nodes, and how that competing has created and lead to the skipped steps with those family members, and the root cause of her own skipped steps beyond those family members. The underlying issue within this KEY is to see the tremendous degree of REPEATING dynamics over and over.
So allow yourself to see this evolutionary and karmic structure in her birth chart: the whole of it. Within that whole then allow yourself to understand and see all the individual and specific dynamics that have all added up to that whole equally her personal / soul skipped steps, and how that personal and soul skipped steps have manifested her her family structures. A key in this is to determine WHY her soul has created this need/ desire to be the center of attention, the need for almost constant acclaim.
Remember the value is in the effort. Keep it as simple as you need too. The value is in the effort. Only compare what you do in this EA work TO YOURSELF AND NO ONE ELSE. Kristin and I will work with all of you not matter what your current degree of understanding is. This is simply and opportunity to learn, to evolve your natural capacities. And as you do so you are not only helping your own soul, but all others that you wish to help as well.
If you have any questions please ask them of me or Kristin now.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad Kristin Everyone,
I have a question about Pluto being in aspect to Mars. Rad you said Pluto is inconjunct Mars but I don't see that aspect in the chart shown and completely missed it but when I count the degrees it is tech 146 degrees appart so that is a Waxing Inconjunct/ Quincunx?
Which is an aspect than can enforce humility through crisis and one where the person will not see themselves clearly?
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Pluto is the slower moving of the too. Thus, this is a wanning inconjunct/quincux. The underlying archetype within inconjuncts, waxing or wanning, is necessary ADJUSTMENT to the existing dynamics between the two planets. Crisis is typically the vehicle the soul creates for such evolutionary and karmic adjustments to be made in order for evolution to occur.
God Bless, Rad
Ok Rad thank you,
So I'm going to just go step by step with you and very slowly because I truly desire to understand and be able to apply EA more than anything.
Pluto in Capricorn in the 5th Square to Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd and Pluto inconjunct Mars in Leo in the 12.
Pluto in the 5th= the person desires to be the center of the Universe and has a mentality that the world revolves around them in some way?
Pluto in Capricorn= restriction or conditions maturation responsibility karma?
Pluto Capricorn Square Saturn Virgo=The transformation of those same restrictions conditions maturation and karma, adding the Virgo archetype learning humility and services to others?
Pluto Capricorn Inconjunct Mars in Leo in the 12th= A karmic readjustment of ones own power center, a restriction of ones own egocentric identity?
Thank you so much for teaching all of us,
Heather
Hi Heather,
This is really not the approach we want to take. First, EA is all about WHY versus descriptions of something. In essence the why of what common astrology simply describes without that why. The statements you made are descriptive in nature. The descriptions you made, as simple as they are, are more or less accurate but are meaningless without the why of the whole in which they are taking place.
The whole signature that I presented yesterday for her, the KEYS, correlate to the root evolutionary and karmic dynamics, that correlate with her skipped steps, and why. For example, the 5th House Pluto in Capricorn squaring her Saturn in the 2nd House Virgo correlates with a Soul who had come through fathers who were very critical of her, fathers that damaged her inner relationship to herself, the damage manifesting as a deep inner sense of emptiness, of never being 'good enough' no matter what she did or accomplished and so on. Such fathers themselves would be typically very powerful figures who were successful in whatever it is that they were doing, and would expect all to revolve around them.
The reason or WHY her Soul created that was to learn a core self reliance: the 2nd House Saturn. Just one example of the WHY here. The problem is that when a soul is a child, young, they don't have the capacity to understand that why. Typically then this leads to displaced emotions of childhood, her Saturn in opposition to Uranus in Pisces in her 8th, that manifests as her Soul becomes ever older. And on of those manifestations would be just like these father types: the need to be the center of attention, to have constant feedback from others of just how wonderful or special she is.
EA is a prism of the soul's evolution through time. As such it does allow for the understanding and awareness of cause and affect within the soul's dynamics equaling how and why it manifests this or that dynamic, orientation to life itself, at any point in time.
The value is in the effort Heather, so just keep moving forwards with those efforts. Kristin and I will help you in those efforts so that you desire to really 'get it' can in fact happen.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you Rad, it seems that every way I come at developing my EA skills doesn't seem to work for me :'(
I am not really sure where I go from here or how I am to finally "get it"
Nothing hurts my heart more then to know that I finally found something real tangible helpful transformative beyond compare, something that transformed my life, and not actually be able to help other people with it. The time I have dedicated to this hours days months and years of my life, literally years of my life while other people are playing I'm spending sometimes 20 hours a day just reading studying and correlating.
I'm dedicated it's not going away it never stops so i will have to find my way through this. Thank you for working with me and everyone here no matter what our skill level is.
Heather
Hi Heather,
It is a matter of sustained practice in order to get it. Again, as you know, EA is about the why of anything. To 'get it' means to orientate your consciousness to the birth chart, from an EA point of view, to that perspective/ understanding. It is like being a detective in a way. Within this is the KEY of understanding the depth of the archetypes themselves: houses, signs, planets, aspects, and planetary phases. And then apply the EA paradigm to that.
Be patient with yourself Heather, and just keep going one step at a time.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Rad thank you.
So I have another question, Pluto in Capricorn can translate to so many things as you say the depth of that archetype is vast and of course it can mean more than Father figures but in Chloe's case the clue to understanding that is that the south node of Mars, Mercury and Venus is in Scorpio in the 4th house, a powerful parental figure a Father figure with Pluto in Capricorn?
Heather
Hi Heather,
Yes, and the inconjunct from Pluto to Mars in Leo as well as that also is square the Sun, itself sextile to that Pluto, and the S.Nodes of Mercury and Mars.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
"Ok thank you Rad, so in Chloe's chart her skipped steps being Mercury and Libra in the 3rd and 4th house has to do with how she is relating to others, her family based on her past experiences with powerful father figures?"
"How she sees herself and others and her need to be the center of attention and acclaimed in some way? She is learning balance in relating with others, how she needs love and attention and when to give and receive love as well as as she is learning how her orientation to those is about her own self worth"outside of others?
Also how do we decern that the south node of Mars Mercury and Venus being in Scorpio and her Sun in Scorpio in the 4th has to to with another and not herself, meaning when I was looking at those I was thinking that she herself could have been this powerful figure with in the family?
Is this about linking that to Pluto in Capricorn in the 5th inconjunct Mars in Leo in the 12 as well Mars in Leo is Square the Sun in Scorpio in the 4th is linked to the Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd oppose Uranus in Pisces in the 8th? that feeling of persecution is based on another specifically powerful father figures where she felt persecuted in some way?
The feeling of being persecuted is symbolized by the S.Node in the 12th/ N.Node in the 6th square Venus/Mercury, the Aquarius planets conjunct the S.Node of Neptune, Pluto in Cap in 5th square Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd opposed the Uranus in Pisces in the 8th. And that feeling goes beyond just her biological fathers in other lifetimes: it includes other family members, mothers as well, relationships of all kinds including friends.
Also whenever I am looking at a connection to the Cancer/Capricorn axis being strong in a chart am I going to start thinking about parental figures immediately? Then if that is linked with a strong Libra archetype that it has to do with how one is relating to themselves and others based on parental figures?
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you know I have been working on Chloe's chart and will be posting something on Sunday. It's taking me longer than I thought because I am trying to find the right way of saying what I am seeing in the symbols, and sometimes it doesn't come out right. This is a new experience for me so I want to take a little extra time. DDD
Hi All, & Happy Sunday,
A special note to Helena, Priya, Sree and any other Soul wishing to contribute ( Thank you Heather and DDD for jumping in too)
I just wanted to encourage those of you who have participated in this thread earlier on to continue to take another leap and some further strides forward in your learning. You have made great efforts thus far and those efforts are all helping those who read this thread.
Within EA, to further your understanding of Synastry and Composite is so powerful, as we are evolving through our relationships.
and for Skywalker, Upasika,Marty, we always love what you post, just wanting to send a shout out at the relative beginner participants on the board.
With support and here to help as we can in your development,
Kristin
I think the root of Chloe's skipped step is to be related to her evolutionary need to re-live lessons of learning emotional intelligence - to learn how to be in relationship with family members (and by extension, society), as an equal, and to learn to objectively listen to others, to learn to express herself and her own individuality through interacting with others in a more objective, truthful and respectful way. This would involve breaking free from the expectations and conditioning of her parent(s) in order to arrive at a realization of who she really is, someone who is defining themselves from the inside out as opposed from the outside in. This is why she has created circumstances in this life with key people through which she can finally learn how to be in relationships as an equal, to learn to emotionally mature and not be vicarious extensions of parent(s) with unrealistic expectations. She also needs to initiate an inner dialogue with herself based on critical self-examination.
With Pluto in the 5th House in Capricorn, Chloe has been learning lessons of creative actualization, and how to incorporate and establish that purpose within the family environment (and society at a later date). As a child, Chloe's self expression has been heavily conditioned by the expectations of her parent(s), and the society she has been born into. As Rad pointed out, Chloe has had powerful, successful fathers who have been critical of her, and have expected things to revolve around them. With father figures like that, a child with this Pluto placement would have a hard time uncovering their natural (Saggitarius/Fifth House) sense of inner authority. So, in effect, she stops emotionally maturing. In order to get the attention, love and admiration she needs, she emotionally manipulates those in her home environment and competes for the attention and admiration of others. Chloe's south node of the Moon is in the 12th house in Cancer inconjunct the Moon in Aquarius in the 7th. She has experienced emotional crises involving disillusionment, disappointment and disintegration as she tries to know herself apart from the influence of her parent(s). She has experienced extreme emotional fracturing and detachment from her emotional body. The displaced emotions have been projected onto others, with unrealistic expectations and an inability to connect emotionally in a healthy, equal way. This has all been necessary as she must try to align herself with a sense of self that is natural and truthful.
With Saturn in Virgo in a waning square to Pluto, mental/emotional crises have occurred as questions of why her father is acting that way towards her will surface in her consciousness. Chloe must face questions of whether she is living out her parents' desires for her, or if she working to establish her own inner value system and resources. Taking practical steps to establish an inner relationship with herself will help fill the hole she feels within. If we look deeper into why Chloe has attracted these circumstances, we can see that she may have been in a position of authority with the same family members in prior life or lives. The father she has attracted being a reflection of how she was in a prior life or lives, maybe expecting her own children (now in different roles in this life) to be vicarious extensions of herself, including values, beliefs and lifestyles.
Pluto in the 5th in Capricorn square Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd and inconjunct Mars in Leo in the 12th, South Node in Cancer in the 12th, North Node in the sixth in Capricorn, can indicate a necessary self-examination and humility as she comes to terms with how she has been acting out, wanting to be the center of attention and why she is critical of others when they want some attention and why she feels she has to compete for attention. She must uncover the real, natural origin of her creative impulse, take responsibility for it, and make necessary adjustments in order to make realistic goals and channel those desires in a sustained way to become her own inner authority in whatever direction she chooses.
Chloe's South Node, the resolution node to the skipped step, is trine Uranus in Pisces in the 8th House. This would indicate an awareness and opportunity to liberate from old patterns of identity association, the conditioning patterns of parent(s) and society, and interacting with people through displaced emotions. This would also include liberation from conditioning patterns based on past-life memories. By adopting an attitude of co-operation she can work to embrace her unique identity and by extension accept the unique identity of others. There is an inconjunct from Uranus in Pisces in the 8th House to the Sun in Scorpio in the 4th and Mercury in Libra in the 4th. Chloe will experience crises as she works to adjust her orientation to relationships once deconditioning takes place. She will need to liberate from fears of betrayal and emotional abandonment. In doing this she can learn trust herself.
Chloe has Venus in Libra in the 3rd House which is trine Jupiter and the Moon in Aquarius in the 7th House. The Moon is the ruler of her South Node which is also the resolution node. Chloe is probably quite charming, easy going and natural in the presence of others, (belying the fact that she is emotionally traumatized) having curiosity about other people and being able to talk to them with ease. She understands this, and the trine would suggest that she is comfortable with others and has good friendships with an equal give and take. That is not to say she does not still want to be the center of attention, but that desire is less emotionally charged with friends. If Chloe approaches an inner relationship and dialogue with herself where she detaches from old emotional patterns of identification and expression, with the understanding she is not superior or inferior to others, and they are not inferior or superior to her, she can perhaps start the healing process of that skipped step. Treating other family members as friends would be a good path to take in helping balance relationship dynamics . DDD
Aspects from Pluto (5th, Capricorn) - square to Saturn (2nd, Virgo), inconjunct Mars (Leo, 12th), sextile Mercury/Sun (4th, Libra/Scorpio)
Aspects to Nodal Axis (12th/6th, Cancer/Capricorn) - sextile Uranus (Pisces, 8th), square Mercury (Libra, 4th)
Personal value structures (Saturn) must evolve in order to transform creative self-expression into something utilizable to the collective (Pluto). There's a feeling of safety, and an ability to convince others of her rightness in the struggle to exist (Sun/Mercury), yet this doesn't seem to utilize the connection to Source energy implicit in her chart (Mars). There is a great potential, when she learns to acknowledge the importance of her own value system when juxtaposed with the value systems of others.
Identifying with this sense of security, and therefore limiting the potential for growth through action and a recognizing for value structure to indeed transform (North Node, ruler). The ego structure of the past has a habit of using the needs of others simply as a way to paint her own needs as more important, therefore attracting attention to herself (South Node, ruler). Regarding the skipped step (Mercury), there is healing in recognizing the different needs, and comradely between the variety of value systems that people have. Rather than seeing her own structure of survival as the fulcrum to existence, she can learn respect the diverse needs of all beings. She can integrate her talents for self-expression and her innate awareness of the other to help build bridges between people, and our common need to have our voices heard.
Cheers, Edward
Thank you so much Kristin, for your generous reaching out (shoutout)😊😊
I can't see anything essential to say, seeing that others have already put across key factors that I am still yet to assimilate.
But I can't help but respond to your thoughtful gesture and previous encouraging posts by Rad - you guys are so kind to us newbies.. so here is a bit of rambling from me:
Chloe's Pluto is conjunct the South Node of Jupiter. And altho Pluto is in the sign of Capricorn it is still in the 5th and here the cusp of 5th belongs to Saggitarius and its ruler Jupiter.
So looking towards Jupiter for clues on Soul structure we find that it is conjunct Moon in the 7th.
Moon here rules the 12th cusp; rules her South Node and hence Soul's recent expertise may have been in this area. To me this shows a Soul that has an abundance(Jupiter) of deep intuitive(Moon) skills in unveiling hidden(12th) truths. Jupiter also speaks of right-brain intuitions.
This conjunction being in the 7th may show that Soul can intuit the intentions of "others" in its experience long before they even interact with it. This conjunction is in opposition to Vesta in the 1st... perhaps showing how the pain of knowing something not yet manifested in relationships would have driven her to focus on, her own self, and strategies to hold center-stage(Leo). That is why, maybe, the Soul is constantly garnering attention to itSelf.. to distract itself from the disturbing truths it intuits in others - which ultimately cannot be other than its own😊 and needs to be brought to light.
Perhaps the Skipped Step in the 3rd house shows that she has failed to communicate her own inner values and principles(Venus) to others for fear of accusations of being pressumptuous. Becoz she would have been speaking based on intuitive hunches and not necessarily what had already transpired in actual interactions. Venus is also ruling Mercury in the 4th.. showing skipped/neglected emotion-centered communications¿
I feel this Soul would benefit from some kind of reflective writing practice. 3rd lord Venus is strong in Libra and also trining the Jupiter^Moon conjunction. Since Moon rules the resolution node, its trine to Venus could indicate that 3rd house activities could help towards actualizing the Moon's role in completing SNode's tasks. Feels like indications of philosophically nurturing and poetic writings. This way she can express anything at all that she intuits without coming across as paranoid or delusional. Honouring and exposing her own feelings regarding the world mirrored to her, will help her understand, love and eventually fall back on her own strong and reliable(Capricorn) Soul. Venus also rules the 4th cusp.. so writing could also support and nourish her inner sanctuary.. making her feel more comfortable within her own pillars of sustenance and less needy of external reassurances.
Hi Rad ,Kristin
Thanks for your encouragement ......
Here is what that came im my mind on seeing these symbols.Thinking that it is some way in the track of possibilities.
For many lives Chole has been learning the lesson of being equal among others.The core desire that drives this soul is specialness as defined by society - Pluto 5th capricorn.This specialness as defined by mainstream society can be expressed in many ways.But since north node is in 6th capricorn along with a skipped step she may not have succeed in being in that special level as defined by society.In such a case the core desire may have being acted out by being in relation with a special one or it may have been projected on to childrens - south node in cancer 12 th.
Since Mars is in leo 12 th the core desire has been projected on to children - dreaming and imagining that children may fulfill their desire . Chole may have used her authority within home to train her children so that they acquire specialness within the society based on her desire- Pluto 5th capricorn square saturn virgo 2nd.And within this dynamics she may have induced strong competition ( Care and love the one who perform well) b/w her children so that they reach that specialness she has project on - South node 12th in cancer ,ruler of South node Moon in Aquarius 7th,Venus libra 3rd and saturn virgo 2nd square pluto 5th capricorn.Also uranus 8th pisces opposite saturn virgo 2nd.This dynamics of inducing competition is very much part of her soul structure that she is completely blind with the delusive way of treating her children - Neptune Jupiter conjunct moon in 7th Aquarius. With South node of neptune there it looks like the soul haven't learn much from the past.This may be the reason chole at an young age have to face with a brother who cannot tolerate her for who she is - a reflection of circumstance she herself created to her childern.
This dynamics of conditioned loving based on discrimination would have created difficult dynamics with and b/w children .With Mars 12th leo inconjunct pluto 5th capricorn chole would have experienced disillusion from childrens as some of them would not have performed to the level she had projected.Within this resistance from children have also added to her humility.All this dynamics may have induced objectivity about her feel of specialness,where they come from? and thus may have touched her true emotional body beyond social define structure of specialness - pluto polarity 11th cancer.
Skipped Step for chloe ,as mentioned above ,looks like is about her approach to relation within family that is based on conditioned loving through discriminating (critical) others and thus keeping her feel special and in control of others - venus in 3rd libra and mercury in 4th libra also pluto 5th capricorn square Saturn in Virgo 2nd.Since this dynamics is within family ,in the past, it was mainly projected on to her children ;who cannot easily understand what is going on.Guilt is what usually gets induced through this discrimination - as human beings are not perfect,one can catch some fault in others so that you can have control over other .
The resolution node ,south node in 12th cancer relative to Venus 3rd in Libra and mercury 4th in Libra as skipped step plus Pluto 5th Capricorn,is to see others beyond social specialness and projection especially thosewithin family and care them unconditionally based on what they need.This will help her see objectively the nature of her emotion and thus to express it in a more creative way that is of some service to society.
Thank you
Sree
Hi Heather
"Ok thank you Rad, so in Chloe's chart her skipped steps being Mercury and Libra in the 3rd and 4th house has to do with how she is relating to others, her family based on her past experiences with powerful father figures?"
Powerful father figures who were highly critical of her that were themselves utterly narcissistic. The nature of this psychological abuse created a deep soul wounding that left her feeling worthless. This is one of the causes: not all.
"How she sees herself and others and her need to be the center of attention and acclaimed in some way? She is learning balance in relating with others, how she needs love and attention and when to give and receive love as well as as she is learning how her orientation to those is about her own self worth"outside of others?"
On going skipped steps: yes.
Also how do we decern that the south node of Mars Mercury and Venus being in Scorpio and her Sun in Scorpio in the 4th has to to with another and not herself, meaning when I was looking at those I was thinking that she herself could have been this powerful figure with in the family?
Yes, but even then she was utterly self centered.
"Is this about linking that to Pluto in Capricorn in the 5th inconjunct Mars in Leo in the 12 as well Mars in Leo is Square the Sun in Scorpio in the 4th is linked to the Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd oppose Uranus in Pisces in the 8th? "
Linking what exactly ?
"that feeling of persecution is based on another specifically powerful father figures where she felt persecuted in some way?"
The feeling of being persecuted is symbolized by the S.Node in the 12th/ N.Node in the 6th square Venus/Mercury, the Aquarius planets conjunct the S.Node of Neptune, Pluto in Cap in 5th square Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd opposed the Uranus in Pisces in the 8th. And that feeling goes beyond just her biological fathers in other lifetimes: it includes other family members, mothers as well, relationships of all kinds including friends.
"Also whenever I am looking at a connection to the Cancer/Capricorn axis being strong in a chart am I going to start thinking about parental figures immediately? Then if that is linked with a strong Libra archetype that it has to do with how one is relating to themselves and others based on parental figures?"
Generally, yes.
God Bless, Rad
Hi DDD,
Thank you for taking the time to contribute. Your EA analysis, effort, is spot on. Bravo !
God Bless, Rad
Hi Edward,
Thanks for contributing what you have. The dynamics within her soul that you have pointed out are true enough.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Priya,
Thanks for making the effort to contribute. Since you are relatively a 'newbie' just keep reading and following along as you have in order to progressively 'get it'. What you said about her intuition is extremely accurate.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Sree,
Her need and sense to be special, the center of attention, is also rooted in other lifetimes in which her Soul was in fact considered special, like an icon, by others and society itself. This occurred because of her innate talents manifesting in various types of careers: music and art for example. Fame in this way happened. Her Soul then became addicted to this need to feel special as a result, the constant need to be the center of attention.
She would then expect her children to worship her soul in this way: because of. What you said about projecting on her children in the way that you did is quite true. She would also favor some children over other children.
She has also come into families in other lives that were very powerful in the context of the countries they lived in which she would inherit that social position from them. Her own families would then then then be raised in the context of the inherited positions she received from her own parents. Thus, what child was next in line, and the competition this would create among such children just as she herself experienced that with her own parents.
Thanks for making the effort to contribute Sree.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Thank you for all the new information everyone has shared, it really helps me with with my own learning of EA which I really need help with so thank you so much.
Rad I'm sorry I realized afterword that what I asked wasn't clear but DDD's analysis answered what I was asking. I was trying to understand how I would see that the south nodes of Venus Mars and Mercury were all in Scorpio and in the 4th as another powerful figure a parental figure and Not she herself that was this powerful figure. I gathered from DDD that it went both ways.
I realize the whole chart symbolizes all of that but understanding that she herself is learning an ajustment in her own power center is connecting those symbols in Scorpio in the 4th to the fact that Mars in Leo in the 12th is inconjunct Pluto in Capricorn in the 5th? That she herself is readjusting her own need to be seen as powerful and important?
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Everyone,
I wanted to add something to what I shared above, I think I finally answered my own question that I'm sure everyone finds glaringly obvious but me.
I keep failing to orientate my thought process to the bottom line of the chart and then I lose all perspective. The whole chart has to be analyzed starting with what? Pluto in the 5th! It doesn't matter what sign it is in it doesn't matter what aspects it makes you can still feel and understand that that alone shows this person is coming into this life with an overinflated sense of self, any planet in that house will be inflated and full of itself. Now with Pluto there that's the Whole Souls orientation to itself one of self importance. How do I know Chloe hasn't already worked through this overidentification to herself because she was born with Pluto in the 5th, that's the bottom line. She is working out this orientation to herself in this life she is coming in with this massive soul magnetism to herself.
Now I can add the rest of the chart to that and see this is double in her chart with Pluto in the 5th Inconjunct Mars in Leo in the 12th, Leo is the natural ruler of the 5th house. I can already see this is a major ajustment in this life to her overinflated sense of self. Then you can add Why she is coming into this life with this orientation with all the things everyone has been sharing with Adding in the Sun in Scorpio in the 4th as well as south nodes of Mercury Venus and Mars there as well. This answers my whole question about how do I know wether it's herself or another that was this powerful figure. It's then obvious looking at the whole chart that she has played the role of this powerful person with in the family as well.
I just wanted to share that even though this is obvious I am only really just starting to get it somewhat.
Thank you Everyone
Heather
Hi DDD,
Your understanding of the archetypes is really evolving.
Very well done in synthesizing what you are seeing, the magic KEY in EA.
I wanted to also add that Chloe will do well with the Golden Rule, to treat all others how she herself would want to be treated, as you said to be a friend to her family, creating an energy of equality. Also as you shared, to always be aware of how her actions impact others, that their reality, even if different than her own, is still equal in value.
Thanks for this wonderful contribution,
Kristin
Also to Merlyn, Sree and Priya,
You are all growing through these posts....thank you for a great response here..
Warmly,
Kristin
Hi Heather,
It is important to always ask questions as they arise, which you do, and everyone benefits when your own discoveries are made through your outreach. So thank you also for having the courage to ask.
Being able to answer the question WHY is what separates this work form traditional astrology. Getting to the root of the WHY is not always easy, it does take time and commitment, as you are showing.
Keep digging and you WILL keep growing.
Peace,
Kristin
I agree with Kristin, Heather.
Your detailed sharing on the "obvious" is not so for me atleast and I am learning a lot from it. Please do keep asking and figuring it out openly with us... it helps😊 Thanks for your generosity.
And as always, thanks to Kristin and Rad for acknowledging my wayward ramblingsðŸ˜,, Will try to stay focused on the EA methodologies. Could my scattered thinkings be becoz Pluto is in my 3rd.. and Moon balsamic to it by just 6minutes? No need to answer if such personal queries are disallowed😊
Hi Priya,
You will find that if you focus that 3rd house Pluto/Moon balsamic conjunction through a prism like EA it will then be very much like looking through a microscope that reveals the essence of anything.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Skywalker, Upasika, and Marty
Please let me know if you are planning on posting on the sisters chart soon before we move on.
God Bless, Rad
Thank you Rad😊
Your reply is making me feel hopeful😊😊
Hi Rad,
I don´t know if I will be able to post anything this week so please don´t wait for me but if I find the time I will catch up.
Thank you
All the best
Hi Everyone,
Priya I just wanted to say thank you so much for what you shared. I know I can be redundant in asking questions or that I even ask questions I might know the answer to or that has even been answered already, this is one of my lessons in this life, to get solid in myself and what I know and to follow my intuition. Skipped step Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd North Node resolution in sag in the 1st house, ruler of skipped step Neptune in Sag in the 12th. I can read something in EA a 100 times, like I go back to JWGs first book on Pluto and re-read each archetype of Pluto through every sign, I have done this many many times but if someone asked me an hour later after reading one archetype description to synthesize what I read I would be drawing blanks, I don't understand it?! The only way I have started to assimilate EA and don't laugh is for me to read everything everyone shares here on a chart and then I go for a hike and say it out loud to myself, I have to hear myself or sometimes put it into my own words. I did well in school and excelled very easily in English, Math and Science, learning has always come easily for me until EA showed up on my doorstep back in 2006. When it comes to my intuition it's been hard for me to work through that my intuition so far only works when there is some sort of connection to the person even if it's unknown to me. If I'm purely using my intuition for someone I have absolutely no connection to like a strangers chart I get nothing but confusion. Sorry I know this board isn't for personal sharing but this is where I'm coming from when it comes to my EA studies.
I realize this is frustrating for some of you who "get it" but my desire to know, understand and apply EA is pure and so I can't help but want as much clarity as possible in my learning process.
Thank you for the opportunity to learn here in this forum I know it's helping me
Heather
Dear Rad, Kristen
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I was on the message board doing some research (on Pluto's passage opposite Sirius) when I found this thread which I would love to join. I have been reading ( now have read the entire thread), and am following it all with great enthusiasm and understanding. I am grateful to be a part of this school, as learning EA is always so stimulating. Let me know if I can join in to be a part of the synastry and the rest of the conversation, and I will be happy to try to contribute to the ongoing dialogue. I am also very happy to just read if it is too late in this thread... And thanks for starting this thread... skipped steps are so important to know, and I am so happy to be continuously exposed to EA.
Grateful,
Tashi
Hi Rad ,Kristin
Thanks Rad for showing the right direction - i was thinking how that "Fame" in chole's chart got missed out.
I am writing the symbols , for "fame", here to see whether i understood it right .Along with pluto 5th her south node in 12 (fame) points to a past life of being an icon.But 12th house can also points to Naive( passivity etc) ,then what supports 12th house as "fame" rather than "naive" is because her South node of Saturn is in Cap 6th house along with Saturn in virgo 2nd - hard working ( workaholic etc) .Is these symbols that confirm "fame" rather than "naive "in her chart or is there other symbols to distinguish fame from naive.
Also when she was in fame , that life time ,she didn't had a father who was critical but in the next life or so she had ( attracted ) a critical father to learn( as DDD writes)"in order to arrive at a realization of who she really is, someone who is defining themselves from the inside out as opposed from the outside in" .And during this life time ,with this father, she had displaced emotions .So what ponder me here is that, with this displaced emotion, what role she would have played within the society.Does she still may have acquired fame or not.Can we see such things from chart or am i just going out of track with Ea methodology.
Again thanks for the great opportunity to learn.I think asking questions is a great way to learn EA as it shed down all those perspective in my mind that is not in the right direction.
Thanks
Sree
Hi Sree,
"I am writing the symbols , for "fame", here to see whether i understood it right .Along with pluto 5th her south node in 12 (fame) points to a past life of being an icon.But 12th house can also points to Naive( passivity etc) ,then what supports 12th house as "fame" rather than "naive" is because her South node of Saturn is in Cap 6th house along with Saturn in virgo 2nd - hard working ( workaholic etc) .Is these symbols that confirm "fame" rather than "naive "in her chart or is there other symbols to distinguish fame from naive."
The 5th House Pluto inconjunct the Mars IN LEO correlates to the archetypes of fame for her that then manifests as a relative icon, 12th House S.Node relative to this Mars in the 12th that is inconjunct the 5th House Pluto, that manifests through the nature of her 'work' or career: S.Node of Saturn in the 6th ruled by her Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd which is then square that 5th House Pluto. With the ruler of the S.Node in the 7th conjunct the other Aquarius planets there, S.Node of Neptune, we can then also see the unique social positions or roles she has had relative to this fame, but also the inherited positions of social power and status that were mentioned before. None of this means that her Soul has not also being naive in various ways.
"Also when she was in fame , that life time ,she didn't had a father who was critical but in the next life or so she had ( attracted ) a critical father to learn( as DDD writes)"in order to arrive at a realization of who she really is, someone who is defining themselves from the inside out as opposed from the outside in" .And during this life time ,with this father, she had displaced emotions .So what ponder me here is that, with this displaced emotion, what role she would have played within the society.Does she still may have acquired fame or not.Can we see such things from chart or am i just going out of track with Ea methodology."
In order for her Soul to learn how to become self reliant, to become non-dependent, to develop her soul from the inside out, the change her inner relationship to herself, she had to create the lifetimes necessary to do this that manifested as these very powerful, self centered, father figures who would be dismissive, abusive, hyper critical, of all that she did. This could take place even in the context of those same lifetimes in which she had developed her own capacities, i.e. music, art, that created the relative fame. The emotional and psychological impact of this criticism, abuse, etc, from the father, even in those lifetimes where the relative fame was taking place, was one of total devastation to her Soul: her inner relationship to herself. It would cause a deep inner sense of emptiness, the inner voice saying 'what is wrong with me, the accumulation of learned guilt because of this, the existential crisis of this manifesting progressively as what she needed to do the change herself: to adjust.
This is exactly where the skipped steps manifest from. In other words her soul has been desiring to learn to become secure within itself, to learn how to stand on her own two feet, to develop herself from the inside out, to learn how to give rather than receive, to learn how to objectify others reality so that she can know and give to them what they need versus what she thinks they need, and to give to herself what she needs without imposing or demanding of others to supply those needs. Her Soul does have natural guilt as well that she has desired to atone for: the N.Node of Cap in the 6th, ruled by that Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd which is the ruler of her S.Node of Saturn and Pluto as well. This atonement is rooted in the lifetimes in which she was utterly self centered and expected all to revolve around her: how she treated others, including her own children. This all starts with her family members: Mercury in the 4th conjunct her 3rd House Venus, siblings, squaring her Nodes in Cancer/Capricorn.
These skipped steps and ongoing evolutionary imperatives are mirrored in so many ways in her brother Shaw that we will be more fully discussing as we move forwards.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Tashi,
Welcome aboard.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Been back being busy since we did Shaw's, so like Skywalker ... if I get time I'll post something on Chloe but don't wait specifically cos I also might not get time either. Either way though I'm aiming to try and tune back in before too long.
thanks Upasika
Rad or anyone,
I have two quick questions: one involving "˜skipped steps' and one involving the actual placement of Pluto in my natal chart. I have been doing some reading on the stellium pattern in a natal chart-in my own natal chart, the S. Node of the Moon is @ approximately 1 degree Libra, Uranus is @ 2 degrees Libra and Jupiter is @ 3 degrees Libra-because of this triple conjunction, Pluto, which is @ approximately 24 degrees Virgo would be pulled closer to this astrological configuration, how much closer, I don't know. In your opinion, would Pluto be counted within the sign of Libra instead of Virgo and could a "˜skipped step' involve any hard aspect to the S. Node and the N. Node of the Moon?
Thanks, Marti
Hi Rad, Kristin and All the participants in the thread,
a special thank you to Kristin for the kind encouragement words, i've been travelling for the last few days so it has not been possible for me to have the time to read and follow all that has been discussed.
Once i settled down in the next days i look forward to study in to it.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Marti,
"In your opinion, would Pluto be counted within the sign of Libra instead of Virgo and could a "˜skipped step' involve any hard aspect to the S. Node and the N. Node of the Moon?"
No, Pluto is still in Virgo and, no, the only aspect that correlates to skipped steps is a square to the Lunar Nodes.
God Bless, Rad
Rad,
Ok-good!
I have one more quick question: Would a sensitive point within a natal chart, like the "˜Part of Fortune' or any fixed stars squaring the Lunar Nodes be considered a "˜skipped step' of sorts or even the asteroids Ceres, Pallas and Juno?
Thanks, Marti
Dear Rad
Here goes....
Quote from: Rad on Nov 30, 2016, 08:32 AM
The 5th House Pluto inconjunct the Mars IN LEO correlates to the archetypes of fame for her that then manifests as a relative icon, 12th House S.Node relative to this Mars in the 12th that is inconjunct the 5th House Pluto, that manifests through the nature of her 'work' or career: S.Node of Saturn in the 6th ruled by her Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd which is then square that 5th House Pluto. With the ruler of the S.Node in the 7th conjunct the other Aquarius planets there, S.Node of Neptune, we can then also see the unique social positions or roles she has had relative to this fame, but also the inherited positions of social power ...
Her Soul does have natural guilt as well that she has desired to atone for: the N.Node of Cap in the 6th, ruled by that Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd which is the ruler of her S.Node of Saturn and Pluto as well. This atonement is rooted in the lifetimes in which she was utterly self centered and expected all to revolve around her: how she treated others, including her own children. This all starts with her family members: Mercury in the 4th conjunct her 3rd House Venus, siblings, squaring her Nodes in Cancer/Capricorn.
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When I look at Chloe's chart I see a very ancient picture because I add Pallas Athena as a skipped step.. and that tells me that she may be atoning for not using her feminine wisdom, her logic, her strategy to overcome the problems that a patriarchal hierachy presented to her lifetime after lifetime. With Pallas Athena added to the skipped step she has a chance to use Pallas Athena to have the opportunity to value her logic, and while using her strategic analytic qualities, she will have to overcome her emotional patterns that stem from patriarchal hierarchical conditioning that began with her father(s), and her ancient rejection of her feminine wisdom.
Pallas Athena is often referred to as Arachne - a spider web"¦ and the Pallas Athena Amazon archetype is a feminine warrior who can fight for equality. So,using her vast logic and wisdom Pallas Athena became the patron of Athens over Mars, because she offered them an olive tree, which would feed them. She outsmarts Mars because she knows how to use the feminine in the patriarchal hierarchal society. With the closing quinx between Pluto and Mars ( humility) is this why Chloe must be humble now as she finds her way out of patriarchal hierarchal societal traps and conditioning?
Could she have even betrayed herself (venus) her very own family and children (so node cancer) and her friends (Nep/chiron) and her tribe ( Ur/Juno), by not understanding ( mercury skipped step) the value (venus) of her own femininity (Venus) and inner real feminine wisdom (Pallas), instead she fell for the narcissism( 5h Pluto) and was attached to her position (Pl Cap), which gave her the privilege and feeling of being special you spoke of.
So now she has the opportunity to learn to navigate in the patriarchal hierarchal world as she learns to self empower(Juno) and awaken (Uranus) all these others (loaded 7h/8h and ruler of SONODE in 7h). Also Moon can rule the public so she may have wholesale deceived/or was fake to the public with that MR between Uranus and Neptune in the 7h and 8h. Or is that just a picture of the shallow level of society and entertainment that she moved through in the past lives you and others have described here?
And the Saturn closing square to the 5h, shows she is at a crisis in consciousness where she must face the wrongs she committed in her value system (Sat2h) and work (6) and imposed as you said earlier her will on others ( square to 5h).
[RAD S.Node relative to this Mars in the 12th that is inconjunct the 5th House Pluto, that manifests through the nature of her 'work' or career }This complex reminds me of something we all learned at the laguna EA school about the temple of Pallas Athena and those temple initiates who were bad/corrupt leaders who sacrificed others not to upset the existing egos in the male senators, etc... and allowed their sisters, daughters, initiates to die ( Mars/Pluto) at the hands of those who were disgraced by not being able to follow the initiations...Now she has Pluto in Cap = chance/need to learn to be a responsible leader and stop imposing her will (5h)on others... as you say below...
RAD "her soul has been desiring to learn to become secure within itself, to learn how to stand on her own two feet, to develop herself from the inside out, to learn how to give rather than receive, to learn how to objectify others reality so that she can know and give to them what they need versus what she thinks they need, and to give to herself what she needs without imposing or demanding of others to supply those needs. "She may or may not be one of those temple initiates, but she bought some unreality wholesale, and she kept her position of being adored by betraying and continuing to behave delusionally, and her Moon in AQ ( ruler of her South Node) requires she course correct her delusional states and get more in touch with reality that of needing to be self sufficient so she can stabilize herself emotionally as you have also stated above... and then maybe serve a new tribe (Ura/Nep MR)?
If the TQUARE between Saturn at 29 virgo opposite URANUS JUNO and both Square to PLUTO 1 Cap talks about her authority being misused, this is part of her guilt (Saturn 29 Virgo). Does she have a lot of guilt because people died because of her sacrificing them, or was she sacrificed? She may have even been a willing sacrifice, the young perfect nubile female?) Often we live out both ends of these spectrums. Right?
In the tsquare Saturn is the faster moving planet is far past the opposition to Uranus and JUNO so she has many other lifetimes where she has been working to atone ( i am optimisitic by nature, and I think that is what you have been saying about her other lifetimes as a "diva")...
But with Saturn applying to the square to Pluto, she didn't yet really have the appropriate crisis in consciousness awakening. She is having that this lifetime. Uranus is Rx and is applying into the opening square to Pluto and is closer to the double novile 80 (83 DEGREES AHEAD OF PLUTO ) so she has a great deal of possibility to awaken(UR) to her soul's evolutionary necessity(PL).
So as she was delusionally based( Chiron conj Neptune) and her woundedness is to extract herself from the delusional stances that (Pluto =5h narcissism, accepting the attention, false authority Pluto in Capricorn) caused her to be so misguided and both power driven( saturn squaring pluto), and fame seeking (5h).
HER PP is in AQ. The Aquarius Leo polarity has to do with aligning our personal will with the will of God/Godess, source, all that is.
Since the skipped step is in Libra she must repair her relationships. Since Shaw's SStep is AQ he may have been part of this tribe or some other tribe where he was sacrificed.
The MR between Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aq make me wonder if there were other religious sacrifices that she was a part of. A quick look at his loaded 6h/12h suggest sacrifice, martyrdom etc.
Another signature for this scenario is Jupiter and Neptune and Chiron together could also be that she sold the bill of goods to others in the tribe (AQ)and they died for it (MarsSoNODE), or that she bought the religious nonsense wholesale and died for it? Or again, both. The traumas look old and complex.
I saw that Mel Gibson movie - Apocalypto - and realized at that time why so many people are atoning and overcoming the traumas of being sacrificed to the Gods for stupid religious stuff...
I wouldn't tell this story to Chloe or her family necessarily but I would wonder if these archetypes were at play here, and working themselves out through the Pluto cap (quinx Mars Leo,) and the Nodes in Cancer Cap would add to the patriarchal hierarchical world she must face now, and get it right this time?
So that's what I wonder about?
Tashi
Hi Tashi,
Thanks for taking the time, and making the effort, that you have to contribute to this thread on skipped steps. What we are doing in this thread is to make it as simple and essential as possible in order to understand what the core of skipped steps are in any given chart, and how to resolve those skipped steps.
Most of what you have written is pure projection and speculation that really has nothing to do with the core of the skipped steps in her chart: that core has been stated pretty clearly to this point by others. When we work with clients, or ourselves, using the prism of JWG's EA we want to make what we have to share as succinct, and applicable, as possible. Thus, dealing with the essence of the archetypes without projecting past life stories into them. Doing that really is a disservice to not only the client, or oneself, but EA itself.
An example of this is Shaw, all that was written about him here among those that have been contributing, and then Kristin sharing her actual counseling session with him and his mother. One of his core skipped steps, for example, was re-orientating his soul consciousness to understanding other peoples reality and needs are co-equal to his own because of his own core self centering for the reasons that we talked about. Simple and succinct was how we approached it. And that is exactly how Kristin counseled him. And because it was simple and succinct the boy 'got it' right away, and it gave him a way of moving forwards.
So that is what we are trying to do in this thread, and it is the right way to do EA. And we also want to stick to the archetypes of EA. JWG wrote and taught about these of course, and when doing EA do not want to mix up stuff from other forms of astrology. For example, your saying the Moon correlates to 'the public'. It doesn't in EA. The public at large correlates to Capricorn, Saturn, and the 10th House. The Moon, among other archetypes, correlates with home.
So I will answer one of your questions in order to illustrate what I am saying about keeping it simple and succinct without projecting speculations into the archetypal symbols.
You asked: "With the closing quinx between Pluto and Mars ( humility) is this why Chloe must be humble now as she finds her way out of patriarchal hierarchal societal traps and conditioning?"
Her Soul has had a desire for fame, to be recognized as special, and icon, that has manifested in the ways we have discussed. That has included being born into powerful families that had high degrees of status and wealth: the ruling class. It has included competition with siblings who were in line to inherit such power and wealth. The humility that her Soul is in the process of learning, skipped steps, has manifested by being born into families that are "˜commoners' who have not social power or wealth, and, again, by learning, as her brother is, that others peoples realities and needs are as equal to her own. Thus, with her brother, for example, to understand and accept that he needs his space to be alone when he needs to be alone versus her constant need to put herself in his space. Just one example. In the ruling class that she has been born into those types of humans thought of themselves as superior to the "˜common people'. How the common person was treated by those in power and wealth of course creates crisis and pain in so many ways, its own kind of humility because of. The commoners typically are "˜sacrificed' by the rich and powerful for their own superior purposes. Thus, her soul, to recover skipped steps, has desired to be born into a common family in order to atone for the natural guilt that was born in those lifetimes.
This is an example of actual reality versus speculation Tashi. I do understand why you are saying what you are saying about the various symbols you have identified, and the reasoning you are using within what you are saying. This is why it is so important to know and understand the CONTEXT, the reality, of the clients life for it that very context and reality that then allows the EA astrologer to correctly understand and interpret the astrological symbols/ archetypes within their birth chart. In this way we minimize or hopefully eliminate any temptation or need to project meanings into those archetypes where in fact they don't exist.
God Bless, Rad
Hi All,
I wanted to share some follow up news re: Shaw, as I heard from his mother yesterday. She wanted to let me know that Shaw has shifted his energy significantly since the reading, that she is witnessing a sea change in his behavior.
This is an example of the power of bottom lines, spoken in simple messages that can really penetrate into the psyche and the Soul to induce changing behaviors.....and thus new choices.
Shaw came out of a therapy appointment this week with all smiles. He entered the car and the first thing said to his sister was,"Hi Chloe, I Love you."
On the heels of where things have been, his mom was positively floored.
I reminded her that life is an ebb and flow journey, that with his SN in the 4th, as well as his Saturn and Mars in Cancer, it could be a two steps forward, one step back process. Just like with the changes of the Moon, his moods may also change with the tides, but to encourage that he continue to feel all the way through his emotion versus reacting in the moment.
He now knows the WHY to his hard and heated emotions, and he knows he has a chance to move through them on his own, in a way that benefits all.
"SO the change is up to me?" He said.
"Yes", I said, "the change is up to you."
This puts the power back into the hands of a Soul who has felt like a victim to his circumstance. Step by step.
Peace,
Kristin
Quote from: Rad on Dec 02, 2016, 08:58 AM
Hi Tashi,
Thanks for taking the time, and making the effort, that you have to contribute to this thread on skipped steps. What we are doing in this thread is to make it as simple and essential as possible in order to understand what the core of skipped steps are in any given chart, and how to resolve those skipped steps.
Dear Rad
Thank you so much for your clear statements. I definitely did not read enough of the thread to understand what had been said, and I see now how I was speculating on archetypes. I will be more careful, and pay more attention. I have the utmost respect for the teachings of JWG, and am reforming all my notions of too much knowing of old astrological paradigms to advance my real understanding of natural law and totally appreciate all the points you have made here. I continue to learn with great humility and respect for EA.
Thank you so much for your candor. I am grateful and look forward to the ability to continue to learn.
I appreciate the forum and am never afraid to stumble if I am learning.
Grateful to your tender instruction
Tashi
Hi Tashi,
Let's continue on.
God Bless, Rad
All,
Unless any of you have more questions, or wish to add to what we have been doing in this current step we are in, we will continue on starting next Monday: December 5th.
God Bless, Rad
Kristin, thanks for the update on Shaw. DDD
RAD The commoners typically are "˜sacrificed' by the rich and powerful for their own superior purposes. Thus, her soul, to recover skipped steps, has desired to be born into a common family in order to atone for the natural guilt that was born in those lifetimes.
Got it. I see now how my wild imagination* went too far with "sacrifice".
Looking forward to all the learning...
*Got once again mired in my Neptune skipped step, with my SoNode conj Uranus. But it is the resolution node as well - and really reforming my understanding of Astrology to EA - is my goal. It's ongoing, and I remain committed to eradicating whatever is not EA, so I look forward to your council. JWG is the best thing that ever happened to my astrological life. EA is pure, genius and grace, and I hold EA as the holy grail.
Blessings appreciated and returning...
Tashi
Hi Rad,
Thanks for your feedback....it really helps
If she had fame when she had this father who was critical;then her rising to fame surely ,according to normal norms,would have occurred at a relatively young age ( around 20 to 30).And any form of fame within society can make a consensus person (here her father)to easily brings acceptance to whoever holds that fame - ie the father would have accepted her fame and stop being critical towards her (especially as she become more independent financially due to this fame). If not then what is within this father that make him continue with this attitude.If yes (father become non critical)then what would be the dynamics she face further in her life to continue her evolution (- to be equal among others).Is it that the effort (virgo) to hold the fame based on the projection (12th) of the society( Saturn) that becomes the dynamics she faces further in her life for evolution to continue.
Thanks you
Sree
Hi Rad, Kristin and Everyone,
i've been catching up with the discussions of the last week so even going a bit out of context now i would still like to try and participate. Firstly by saying how wonderful it was reading through Kristin's session with Shaw and see the amazing effect EA can have on the very young, truly fascinating to see how conscious parenting can really make a difference. Thank you very much Kristin for sharing this work in this way, what a great inspiration!
I've also started by trying to apply Rad's suggestions to start to see Chloe's chart, starting with pluto inconjunct mars and the why for a soul to create this need to be the center of attention, and have to share that as Heather i also feel the overwhelming complexity of EA specially on this thread of the skipped steps, but also the feeling of enjoyment by going more and more into how this complexity are the little pieces in a coherent bigger whole and for that, questioning "why" has made all the difference to focus the approach and helps greatly.
So back to the chart focusing on this (i will post this reflections done without reading furthermore so i'll see if it goes in sync with the rest the participations later on), i tried to understand why to create a crisis, inconjunct, and what was/is this crisis.
With pluto ruling the south nodes of venus, mars, mercury, natal sun, ceres and mercury in the 4th house, this soul's desire has been dealing with issues of learning emotional self-sufficiency and eliminating external dependencies of all kinds, both in the inner relationship with herself has in the actualisation of evolutionary desires, brought to the fore in this life with natal sun and mercury. This, specially with all planets in scorpio and pluto in the 5th house, represents possibly choosing to be born in families were rejection, abandonement, not acknowledging the child for who it actual is were a theme somehow, creating itself a natural conflict with the desires of creative self-actualisation and the feeling of desire to be special of natal pluto. Aside from that just by looking at Chloe's chart, the theme of secrecy, power struggles, and things not being honestly acknowledged and spoken about in family relationships, 12th/4th scorpio, cancer and libra, really stand out. With mars now in the 12th inconjunct pluto, Chloe is in an evolutionary moment of adjustment where she will create crisis by feeling victimised when not having her desires met. In this case, with the south node also in the 12th cancer and moon conjunct jupiter in the 7th aquarius, there might have been either an avoidance to face the some shocking truths in the context of relationships and projected expectations (easily avoided with the trine to venus in libra?), or avoidance of the need to her desire to break free and detach from the family drama, or simply manipulation resulting from this.
I would think that the key here can be to understand that this pluto inconjunct mars represents hidden motives, dynamics of vitimisation, that need to be knowledge by herself, resulting from a need of acceptance and recognition from the others, specially family members, when her soul desire is to be self-suficient within herself, hence the created skipped steps (mercury and venus) in the context of relationships, siblings competition. She has to realise her own desires to be free and detached from the family context and the dramas, starting with realising first within herself her own hidden desires to shine can not be about outside approval, the resolution node being the SN, until this motives and needs are recognized by herself evolution can not proceed and skipped steps remain (this mars is also square sun and mercury putting pressure on it).
After reading some of your posts i was also made aware how this chart can be a result of a damaged inner male, authority, and also not developing her maturity, capricorn, remaining an adult child even to her own children, and by becoming deluded by fame, shine, again attributed by others. Thank you for pointing that out - something i completely missed and thank you all for your contributions and specially Rad and Kristin for their wisdom and patience.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Sree,
"If she had fame when she had this father who was critical;then her rising to fame surely ,according to normal norms,would have occurred at a relatively young age ( around 20 to 30).And any form of fame within society can make a consensus person (here her father)to easily brings acceptance to whoever holds that fame - ie the father would have accepted her fame and stop being critical towards her (especially as she become more independent financially due to this fame). If not then what is within this father that make him continue with this attitude.If yes (father become non critical)then what would be the dynamics she face further in her life to continue her evolution (- to be equal among others).Is it that the effort (virgo) to hold the fame based on the projection (12th) of the society( Saturn) that becomes the dynamics she faces further in her life for evolution to continue."
Her Soul has had a need to compete with the fathers who had existing power, wealth, and status by trying to become or be just like him. So even when she would achieve her only relative 'fame' that fame was rooted in her essentially mimicking what and who the father was. The father, in turn, would continue to be critical, abusive even, of her even after she had achieved this relative fame and recognition because he was feeling threatened by her: her own recognition from others. This is why a core skipped step for her is to actualize and do whatever it is that she feels drawn to do with her own life is rooted in doing that from within herself: to do what she actually needs to do independent of her fathers, siblings, or anyone else. So if she has relative success and fame say at a violinist in another life, and that took place because of her father already being a famous/ recognized violinist, the skipped step and way to resolve manifests as her desiring to play the violin because SHE WANTS TOO. No other reason. And to do that without any other motive being attached to that as in doing that for itself: not to attach it do a desire to fame.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Helena,
Thanks for making the effort to contribute again to our thread. What you have presented are all within the realm of archetypal possibilities for Chloe. Your EA reasoning is solid.
God Bless, Rad
hi all,
I've just caught up on this thread and would like to attempt an analysis of Chloes' chart. Pardon me if I'm too late.
I see the skipped step in Venus, and the resolution node in the 12th house. I see Pluto in Capricorn in the 5th. It appears that Mars in Leo is seeking a renewed relationship with "˜Source' that is responsible, truly generous and universal this lifetime.
She is in a deep process of individuating, trying to find uniqueness in the eyes of Father / Mother God; trying to find her relationship to Creator apart from the projections of "˜superior' or parental knowledge that she lays on other people, and the way that she allows others to define her through relationship. Because the moon's ruler is Uranus in the 8th house, it does look like she has experienced familial trauma and feelings of victimization and powerlessness as a result.
She has a heightened sense of responsibility this lifetime, and the means to achieve it (Virgo ruling 2nd house and Saturn in Virgo). She seems to have the tendency to identify too much with others as teacher / healer / inspiration / nurturer. (her moon 'retrograde' by aspect to Neptune/Chiron), but is learning counter-point awareness rapidly. She will find her true inspiration through intense communion with Creator, this lifetime. (Again what I see in the Uranus / Neptune mutual reception), and her moon being the ruler of her 12th house.
So. Node is the node to consistently integrate - it's time to believe in her innate, personal abilities to see beyond the mainstream consensus reality and truly open to the voice within (take time out, trust her instincts) to tap into Divine revelation which has been both her power and her wound in past lives. Address the wound. Address the karma - it's time to venture out beyond her protective, subjective ego and embrace a wider sphere (Venus in Libra in the 3rd.). It's time (Saturn 29 degrees Virgo in the 2nd), and there's are generations 'out there' waiting for the mutuality to embrace and express their hurt and anger so that they can vent from Patriarchal suppression, open up, encourage each other, and begin the healing process.
Uranus in Pisces, retrograde, in the 8th is a tremendous psychic wound, possibly sexual in nature, possibly familial, that can be addressed this lifetime. With the recognition of the psychic pain that has been drifting through her past, her mind can create new creative pathways to resolution.
Uranus trines her So. Resolution node in Cancer in the 12th, and sextiles her No. Node in Capricorn, in the 6th. All I can see is for her to believe in her collective memory of the Matriarchy (So. Node of Neptune) and try to integrate these simple truths through the higher realizations of the 7th house moon, with the objective of reaching out to inspire others to do the same. There is vestigial memory of the Patriarchy in her 6th house, and she is coming into the realization (No. Node) that her strength is in her determination to rise above past-life memories of guilt / repression, and to trust her own, inner knowingness and surety, and not believe the lies of the past, or live a life in compromise to please others.
These Patriarchal conditioning patterns of guilt from her past could have kept her frozen in a highly subjective emotional pattern of wanting to learn to reach out to others more, but afraid to let go of the emotional pain that defines her (So. node). (Also Virgo on 2nd house cusp of Taurus where we can stay stuck).
I see the progression from the 1993 conjunction between Uranus / Neptune in Capricorn in her chart which continues to unravel time, reality, and societal structures as we knew them to be in the past. Her mind would be evolving rapidly through the dreamtime and her earnest intent to seek spiritual revelation. This can also be seen in the mutual reception between Uranus / Neptune for children born during this time.
Hers' is an emotional generation, children coming to terms with their individual, emotional honesty. In her expression, she will find allies, strength, and possibilities in mutuality, instead of narcissisim (11th house polarity point), and the self-approval, self allowance, and confidence to trust in her natural talents for a higher, more collective purpose.
It looks as if, this lifetime, she will be in the process of liberating from illusions and fears from a past, collective trauma (So. Node Neptune), as her higher mind is fine-tuned to the compass from within - not dependent upon others or consensus reality. To find ones' inner compass, one must let go of the shoreline, and release the need to hold on to false securities and over identification with the ego structures of the past.
I think Jeffrey said something like this about Neptune - that when you find yourself in a fog - there is always a natural current in that ocean, and if you can let go and trust that natural current, it will always bring you to shore - it just might be a different landscape than the one that you left. But how many of us are prepared to live life in this way?
thanks for the thread and the chance to share.
Hi Marty,
Thanks for making the effort to contribute. Please review what has already been written about Chloe and the ACTUAL nature of his skipped steps, and why. This is what the purpose is: to identify her skipped steps and why so as to understand the relationship she has with her brother.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Ok, we will now begin, simply, our EA investigation and understanding of the psychological/ emotional, and soul dynamics between Shaw and his sister Chloe.
We will do this by using the synastry charts between both of them. First, we will examine Shaw's natal chart with the synastry overlay of his sisters chart. Shaw's birth chart is the inner wheel, and his sisters the outer wheel. Synastry charts correlate to the dynamics that occur and exit between two individual as individuals.
So what we want to do, given that we have now done some EA analysis of both Shaw's and Chloe's natal charts, and the skipped steps within them, is to understand what the dynamics are between these two souls, and their individual skipped steps as well as the skipped steps BETWEEN THEM, have been that has brought them to the current life as brothers and sisters: again.
As simple example to illustrate this. Chloe's skipped step signature has her Venus and Mercury in Shaw's 4th house, and her S.Node is in his 12th conjunct the asteroid Ceres, the N.Node in his 6th which is conjunct his Chiron and Juno, and her Saturn is in his 3rd opposed her Uranus in his 9th. The S.Node ruler for Chloe, her Moon in Aquarius conjunct Neptune, Jupiter, Chiron, and her S.Node of Neptune, is in his 7th House conjunct his Neptune which the planet creating his own skipped steps relative to his own Lunar Nodal axis.
The simple example is this: they have been family members, siblings, before the current life in which there have been skipped steps between them that has required them to come back into a brother and sister relationship again. The soul/ psychological/ emotional dynamics in Chloe have manifested previous to the current life, just one example, as an intense infatuation, an idolizing, of Shaw: the 12th House S.Node of Chloe in Shaw's natal chart. This has then cause her to desire to be around him, to be with him, all the time: to be in his space. Space in EA is Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th House.
This desire within her has then caused her to do whatever she felt she needed to do to be in his space, to capture his attention all the time. In essence, she desire more from him than a normal brother sister relationship: her 12th House S.Node ruler in his 7th House.
For Shaw reacting to those dynamics from within her has caused, given his own dynamics defined by a deep self orientation manifesting as wanting to be in charge of his own space combined with unpredictable emotional cycles wherein he would desire inter-relatedness with others, and then the opposite cycle of needing to completely alone, him to have two extreme, his 7th House Neptune squaring his Nodal Axis, reactions to her. A love/ hate scenario that has caused confusion in Chloe because of the extremity of his dual reactions towards her.
So what we will be doing in our next step is to fully explore and understand all the psychological/ emotional, and soul dynamics between Shaw and Chloe, and how that has caused skipped steps between them. From there we will try to understand how those skipped steps can become resolved.
So in our next step please look the dynamics within Shaw that are triggered by Chloe. To do this requires that we look at the totality of both of their birth charts interacting, synastry, between them.
If you have any questions please ask them of me now.
God Bless, Rad
hello all,
I'll make a try at the synastry charts of Shaw and Chloe.
Chloe's Jupiter, moon, Chiron, Neptune stellium in Aquarius are conjunct his skipped step (Neptune in Aquarius, 7th house). Her proclivity toward the dream state, subliminal messages and inner revelation would cause intrusion, not only in his physical space, but also entering deep into his psychic space.
She could drain him of the critical alone time that he needs to dream and wonder on his own and explore his own path to imagination and higher receptivity. She is learning boundaries the hard way.
He needs deep alone time and she would interrupt his personal, somewhat erratic mental processes, almost like static on a radio. Her skipped step, Venus, opposes his Mercury. Her understanding of her need to find her own personal direction will, hopefully in time, allow him the solitude that he so values this lifetime. His creative vision time (Neptune in the 7th) is every bit as important as hers.
Shaw's Mercury in Aries, in the 10th house opposes her Mercury in Libra in the 4th, and also her Venus in Libra (her skipped step). Here I can see that she might irritate him by getting in his "˜space', as Rad pointed out. He needs personal boundaries and she needs to learn to stop projecting idealized, parental images onto him and learn to search within herself for emotional balance.
Her Pluto is, of course conjunct his moon, but in his sixth house and in Capricorn. It seems to suggest a shared ancestral lineage - one that is seeking forgiveness on many levels which should, ultimately, help him to feel at home in his new phase egocentric structure (moon) to his Pluto which is learning to synthesize old jealousies and frustrations into new ways to not objectify his anger.
Her Mercury / sun/ Ceres are also on his So. Node in his fourth house suggesting mental struggles and a vying for sustenance in their shared past.
just an attempt - thank you for your time.
Hi Marty,
Thanks for you contribution. All that you shared are within the realm of archetypal possibilities between them.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
The feeling I get when looking at Chloe's chart and how it's effecting Shaw is that unconsciously she is trying to Root something out of Shaw her sun in Scorpio in his 4th conjunct the south node. With all the Aquarius planets in his 7th house aspecting his skipped step you can feel the possibility of imposing and projecting unclear ideas and expectations on each other. Since they are both coming from previous lives where the nurturing function was damaged in some way Chloe may be projecting a very distorted sense of need of nurturing or to nurture onto Shaw Ceres conjunct Shaws south node in Scorpio in the 4th, Chloe's south node conjunct Shaws Ceres in cancer in the 12th. This would obviously make Shaw extremely uncomfortable as he is trying to find his own way Through what is going on inside him on his own time table. You can also feel Chloe really challenging Shaws sence of beliefs with her Saturn in Virgo in his 3rd house oppose Uranus in Pisces in Shaws 9th, which is part of Shaw's skipped step. I feel it's possible that Chloe is unconsciously looking to Shaw as a Father figure, she unconsciously feels his disapproval of her just like the constant critical and disapproving fathers she experienced in past lives, Shaw may have even been one of those figures. I also feel like it's a possibility that their relationship in past lives had become so distorted in some way possibly even crossing boundaries of patriarchal conditioning.
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Thanks for making the contribution you have. All that you shared is within the realm of archetypal possibilities except Shaw being Choloe's father in another life. They have come through many families together in various ways though. A cataclysmic event also took place in another recent lifetimes that lead to instant loss which is the underlying meaning of the archetype of Ceres in their synastry charts: both have the other's Ceres on their lunar S.Nodes. Thus, the intention of recovering that loss.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Rad is the possibility of Shaw being an actual father figure in past lives not represented in the symbols of the charts connection? Or is that just not true because you are able to see that?
I have been trying to add information to my understanding of asteroids, I only know Ceres as the nurturing instinct to nourish through food and mothering she was the guardian of crops? Does Ceres represent natural disasters?
Thank you,
Heather
Chloe's Chiron is in Shaw's 7th and sextiling his 5th house Pluto. Would that mean that she triggers his Soul's deep seated wounds regarding his identity in relation to others? And the potential(1st Quarter sextile) to approach the healing of the same in new and innovative(Aquarius) ways?
At the same time her Uranus&Juno are squaring his Pluto from his 9th.
Can that indicate that Chloe's presence in his life avails him situations manifested for his Soul to experience fears and anxieties(1st Quarter square) in order to elicit committed endeavours(Juno) to breaking free(Uranus) from Soul's more delusional(Pieces) beliefs(9th) regarding his own self grandeur?
Hi Heather,
"Rad is the possibility of Shaw being an actual father figure in past lives not represented in the symbols of the charts connection? Or is that just not true because you are able to see that?"
What you see symbolized in her birth chart is a love/hate relationship with fathers, a need to compete with them in order to work out that love/hate dynamic, to get their attention from them based on the competitiveness, and an ultimate rebellion against them that has lead to displaced emotions related to a child's natural need/ expectation to be loved by their fathers. This is all symbolized by the 5th house Pluto, it's inconjunct to Mars that then squares the Sun in the 4th as well as Mercury, Ceres, and the S.Nodes of Mars and Mercury which are ruled by the 5th House Pluto. That Pluto is then square her 2nd House Saturn in Virgo, her inner relationship to herself, and that is then opposed her 8th House Uranus in Pisces, the rebellion/opposition to the father leading to the displaced emotions, and that Uranus is ruled by Neptune in the 7th, conjunct all those other planets which includes an inconjunct to her natal S.Node in Cancer in the 12th. Her N.Node in Capricorn in the 6th is also conjunct the S.Nodes of Saturn and Pluto which correlate, in her soul context, to the intense inner psychological/ emotion emptiness caused by the fathers intense criticisms/ humiliations of her.
She has come through such fathers/ families before with Shaw. They have even come into families and brother/ sisters before in which they have had different mothers: the father having mistresses. Shaw has been subjected to such fathers, fathers too who would pay him no attention at all, Saturn conjunct Mars in Cancer in his 12th, and family dynamics in which both experienced traumatic conditions and situation together. With his Pluto in opposition to the 12 House Venus in Gemini, conjunct that Mars, through extension Saturn, we can see the symbolism of him seeking out his sister, siblings, to receive that attention.
As brothers and sisters then, in such families, they would seek each other out for emotional comfort, soul/ psychological bonding, in order to withstand and survive together these conditions: her second house Saturn that then lands in Shaw's 3rd house: siblings. With her Venus/Mercury, how own skipped steps landing in his 4th House we can see the symbolism of being family members, siblings, in such family dynamics as well.
So relative to her displaced emotions about such fathers these emotional needs would then become projected upon Shaw as a brother which were totally intensified because of how she took in his soul to hers: an almost godlike infatuation with him that lead to going beyond the boundary's, Saturn, of relationships between brothers/ sisters in other lives. It is as if she has been trying to fill up/in that inner emptiness within her with her brother, and other siblings, in other lives.
"I have been trying to add information to my understanding of asteroids, I only know Ceres as the nurturing instinct to nourish through food and mothering she was the guardian of crops? Does Ceres represent natural disasters? "
Natural disasters correlate with Sagittarius as the lead point relative to the natural mutable cross with Virgo, Pisces, and Gemini.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Priya,
"Chloe's Chiron is in Shaw's 7th and sextiling his 5th house Pluto. Would that mean that she triggers his Soul's deep seated wounds regarding his identity in relation to others? And the potential(1st Quarter sextile) to approach the healing of the same in new and innovative(Aquarius) ways?"
Yes, but also that she triggers deep seated wounds between them requiring new ways to heal and evolve together.
"At the same time her Uranus&Juno are squaring his Pluto from his 9th. Can that indicate that Chloe's presence in his life avails him situations manifested for his Soul to experience fears and anxieties(1st Quarter square) in order to elicit committed endeavours(Juno) to breaking free(Uranus) from Soul's more delusional(Pieces) beliefs(9th) regarding his own self grandeur?"
Yes, but it also means an evolutionary and karmic need to liberate from various beliefs he created and projected upon her in another life that were caused by a traumatic cataclysm that they created together.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Thank you Rad for all that you shared.
Could the instant cataclysmic loss that you refer to in their charts that is being recovered shown through Ceres conjunct each other's south nodes represent an actual child? A child they created and the trauma they shared together because of subsequent events that took place?
Thank you,
Heather
Thank you so much, Rad.
I am now beginning to understand the significance of synastry charts. What you said makes perfect sense and is making me ponder on relationships in general.
I believe that each relationship(and even circumstance) in our lives is here to either teach us, or heal &liberate something in us to facilitate our evolution.
But never did I consider that these "teachers" , "healers" and "liberators" of life's complex drama are specific Souls who have joint evolutionary roles to play out with us. Is this always so? For example great teachers like Buddha and Jesus must have triggered, healed and liberated many in multiple ways.. did they have a joint evolutionary karma with their followers?
Also, can we then use charts for countries and events to see how our skipped steps dynamics are triggering and evolving the collective in these times and spaces... and vice versa?
Hi everyone, I am working on Chloe and Shaw synastry chart and will post something in next day or two. Thanks for comments so far. DDD
hi all - if I could attempt a few more observances of Shaw / Chloe synastry:
Observing Chloes' sun/Mercury (her skipped step) are conjunct Shaws' So. Node, it can suggest a past, kind of manic, behavior, on her part, in the biological environment - a response to the natural crises that they have experienced in past lives together. As was pointed out, her sun/Mercury also square her Mars in Leo (landing in Shaws' 1st house) which could give her the propensity toward drama / outbursts, which could push Shaws' buttons and trigger painful memory. He also may have a fear of this hushed 'mania' (his Neptune in Aquarius, 7th house is square to his So. Node in Scorpio, 4th).
She is learning temperance and balance - mental balance, and restraint. With her resolution node in Shaws' 12th house, separating from his Ceres, it appears that they can both learn to balance their emotions and responses thru immersion in Nature and the Earth Mother. With Chloes' No. Node in Shaws' 6th house (square her Sun/Mercury, it seems that she has a great opportunity to learn to apply herself through systems and methodologies, of her CHOICE, to find self-approval, self-confidence, self-authority and responsibility in her life. This, in turn, would probably help to heal his familial acceptance of her and allow for the deep recognition of their mutuality (his Chiron retrograde to 24 degrees Capricorn).
Her possible tendencies toward manic behavior could become a skipped step this lifetime, but not if she learns to incorporate the stuffed feelings and emotion from her past. (Her Ceres is trine Shaw's Uranus. His Uranus is trine her Ceres.) It looks like they could facilitate each others' skipped steps if they have the opportunity to recognize their own.
Didn't JWG say that Neptune square the nodes could be a signature, in some cases, of the tendency to be a compulsive liar? In which case, Shaw's chart could indicate that he has honed the ability to avoid any discomfort in dealing with close relationships (no judgment here).
With his So. Node applying pressure to his sisters' sun, in his 4th house, it seems as though they have each created a life instance in which they can teach each other to "˜face the music' so to speak, address their respective past trauma, and begin the healing process.
Both Chloes' Mars, and Jupiter/Moon, square Shaws' nodal axis, implying that he is finding the inner strength and reserve, this lifetime, to not react to her drama (his No. Node in Taurus in the 10th), and also to express his emotions which will help him to deepen and mature his intellect (individuate) on his own time-table and terms (So. Node in Scorpio in the 4th). It sounds like he is in this process.
thanks for your comments.
Hi Rad and Everyone,
In this step, focusing on Shaw's dynamics that are triggered by Chloe, given their individual skipped steps and dynamics, i don't know if i'm seeing this right, Chloe's mars square Shaw's nodal axis as well Chloe's moon, jupiter and chiron, all are skipped steps in their synastry (besides shaw's mercury square Chloe's nodal axis).
In this analysis, synastry, we look at this planets as her own individual dynamics (her planets) symbolising friction to his evolutionary path (lunar nodes), and the fact that this planets, houses and aspects, represent situations/dynamics that represent something happening down the road that is not dealt with, finished or acknowledge? I'm sorry to go back to basics here but with a complex discussion what i'm trying to make very clear for me is, for instance from Shaw's point of view, the right way of seeing it is "this symbols (her planets) represent dynamics we've been having that keep me stuck to evolve from this" and from Chloe's point of view, the other way around?
So in Shaw's case he will keep stuck in projecting the need to be special, more important than everyone else, by maintaining this relationship dynamics in which he is the male symbol/projection, chloe's mars in the 12th square his nodal axis, of her own needs to be recognized special by him, of course due to her own skipped steps, and all that has happened by keep functioning in that phycologycal state. From here, and from what Rad shared i take, probably a relationship between brother and sister that became sexualized and a child being born from that with the subsequent trauma and abandonement/death of the child? Ceres symbol for the nodes?
The moon, jupiter and chiron square the nodal axis, keep the need for Shaw to acknowledge the need to see the truth about what are is own projection needs, the fact that he also liked being considered special by her, led to and the following repeating of this dynamics life after life.
Would it be that the fact that pluto square composite nodal axis (probably going a bit far here) represent the absolute need of things coming to a head in matter of the need to take steps to start to solve all of this?
Would this be a right approach starting from here?
Also Rad, about chiron conjunct/aspects to nodal axis, i've read very few on it from an EA perspective, mostly on the EA glossary. Can you point out more information or what is essential to understand from it?
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Heather,
"Could the instant cataclysmic loss that you refer to in their charts that is being recovered shown through Ceres conjunct each other's south nodes represent an actual child? A child they created and the trauma they shared together because of subsequent events that took place? "
Yes
God Bless, Rad
Hi Priya,
"But never did I consider that these "teachers" , "healers" and "liberators" of life's complex drama are specific Souls who have joint evolutionary roles to play out with us. Is this always so?"
Yes, the vast majority of people that come into our lives, our personal lives, we have known in one way or another in prior lives: we all pick up where we left off.
"For example great teachers like Buddha and Jesus must have triggered, healed and liberated many in multiple ways.. did they have a joint evolutionary karma with their followers?"
No, with most of them no.
"Also, can we then use charts for countries and events to see how our skipped steps dynamics are triggering and evolving the collective in these times and spaces... and vice versa? "
Skipped step dynamics are individual to each Soul. By going to this or that country those individual skipped steps do not trigger the evolution of the collective in any given country. On the other hand by being in this or that country the nature of whatever those skipped steps are can be triggered relative to the nature of that country: it's collective unconscious/ conscious.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Marty,
"Didn't JWG say that Neptune square the nodes could be a signature, in some cases, of the tendency to be a compulsive liar? In which case, Shaw's chart could indicate that he has honed the ability to avoid any discomfort in dealing with close relationships (no judgment here)."
To my knowledge he never said or taught no such a thing.
"Both Chloes' Mars, and Jupiter/Moon, square Shaws' nodal axis, implying that he is finding the inner strength and reserve, this lifetime, to not react to her drama (his No. Node in Taurus in the 10th), and also to express his emotions which will help him to deepen and mature his intellect (individuate) on his own time-table and terms (So. Node in Scorpio in the 4th). It sounds like he is in this process."
Mars squaring his Nodes is a key here for it correlates to her displaced emotions relative to past fathers that she would compete with for the reasons that have already been discussed. Those displaced emotions have in past lives bringing them forwards to this life has manifested as her need to compete with Shaw as well. The resolution of this is also what has been discussed: for her to do whatever it is she feels drawn to do, i.e. play the violin, for it's own sake versus doing it to compete with anyone else including Shaw. This Mars square the Nodes also is one of the symbols that correlate with sexual dynamics and issues that have occurred between them in other lifetimes that, of itself, has created skipped steps between them.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Helena,
"Would this be a right approach starting from here?"
You have summarized in correctly Helena. The one correction is this: they did get pregnant but the baby was never born. How that happened, i.e. not being born, is the root of the deepest and most intense traumatic cataclysm that took place between them. I don't want to say more now about that. The clue to what that is, however, is seen in Shaw's Pluto in opposition to his Venus in Gemini: her as his sibling.
"Also Rad, about chiron conjunct/aspects to nodal axis, i've read very few on it from an EA perspective, mostly on the EA glossary. Can you point out more information or what is essential to understand from it?"
We have not ever really dealt with, in any real detail, the archetype of Chiron on this mb. Of course there are some very good authors on this topic. One of the things that JWG did teach about it, that is not in such books to my knowledge, is that Chiron can also correlate to how we can wound others, not just how the wounds within oneself.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Rad with Chloe's Mars in Leo in the 12th inconjunct Pluto in the 5th and square to her Sun in Scorpio in the 4th as well as the south nodes of Mercury Venus and Mars in Scorpio in the 4th represent her actual death by a family member? Possibly that Shaw himself caused her to lose her life and the baby's life, his Uranus in her 8th house aspecting all the above?
Thank you,
Heather
Thank you, Rad☺
Hi Heather,
"Rad with Chloe's Mars in Leo in the 12th inconjunct Pluto in the 5th and square to her Sun in Scorpio in the 4th as well as the south nodes of Mercury Venus and Mars in Scorpio in the 4th represent her actual death by a family member? Possibly that Shaw himself caused her to lose her life and the baby's life, his Uranus in her 8th house aspecting all the above?"
Yes, and in addition her Mars in Leo his Nodal Axis, is opposed his Neptune which is the skipped node planet for Shaw, the fact that Shaw has Mars conjunct Saturn in Cancer in his 12th, the Mars being conjunct his Venus in Gemini in that 12th, and that is then opposed his Pluto and Moon conjunction all correlate with this. In addition her 2nd House Saturn is opposed her Uranus in the 8th and then through synastry that Saturn lands in his 3rd house: siblings.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Skywalker, Upasika, and Edward ...
Are any of you planning on adding/ contributing to this segment we are at now ?
Please let me know.
God Bless, Rad
Hi everyone, I will be posting something today. Apologies for being so slow, I have never studied a synastry chart before. I have found it a bit overwhelming and go into panic mode with all the symbols. Thanks for your patience. DDD
As a follow-up to my last message, please go ahead and continue without my comments. This is taking too long for me (I have been looking at these charts for hours and hours over the last few days). I think it would be better for me to learn from the actual reality symbolized and described in the charts, and then continue to study those symbols after the fact in order to learn. I really don't want to hold everybody up. Thanks to all. DDD
I'm following along and studying on my own but don't have the energy to post at the moment. Please continue, I will post when I can. Incredible to be a part of this discussion!
Cheers, Edward
In looking at the individual chart of Chloe and Shaw, as well as the synastry chart, I am wondering if, in the past, they have switched gender as siblings, so that Shaw was the sister in the past and Chloe was the brother. I know the family dynamic is included in the Cancer/Capricorn archetype, but so is gender (Chloe has Cancer/Capricorn nodes, and Shaw has 10th/4th nodes). I am also thinking about the fact that through patriarchal belief systems, family inheritance usually went to the male children, and if so, that would have been Chloe as a boy.
I am also wondering about whether these two have been separated in the past by caste or social status. DDD
Hi Rad,
At the moment I will just be reading what others are posting.
Thank you
All the best
hi Rad,
thank you for your teaching. Is there anything in their synastic chart to indicate that these two could have been considered 'twins' of different mothers from a past life? On Dec. 8 you described that they had been brother and sister in past lives. Is it possible that in one of these lives they were very close in age, and nature, but 'one step removed' genetically?
Could Shaw's Pluto polarity point have something to do with coming to terms with a 'twin self' because they were once so close in age and nature?
I'm looking at Gemini on the 12th house - its' ruler in Shaw's house, which squares Chloes' nodes, is in an individuating, independent sign in a house of autonomous authority. Chloe's Mercury (also square her nodes) is in a more dependent sign in a house of maternal identification.
Is it possible that these two have been gender flip-flopping through more than one lifetime in order to 'walk in each others' shoes'? Also their Mercurys oppose each other in the Capricorn/Cancer houses. Are they learning a new intellectual reality - one of utter mutuality (how I treat you affects me)?
Also are they learning the utter sanctity of all life with Shaw's desire nature and reality structure planets in Cancer in the 12th? It's hard for me to separate my feelings from the study.
thank you.
Hi DDD,
In looking at the individual chart of Chloe and Shaw, as well as the synastry chart, I am wondering if, in the past, they have switched gender as siblings, so that Shaw was the sister in the past and Chloe was the brother. I know the family dynamic is included in the Cancer/Capricorn archetype, but so is gender (Chloe has Cancer/Capricorn nodes, and Shaw has 10th/4th nodes). I am also thinking about the fact that through patriarchal belief systems, family inheritance usually went to the male children, and if so, that would have been Chloe as a boy.
Individually both Shaw and Chloe have been going back and forth as male/ female in their own individual evolutionary progression wherein each is desiring to integrate the inner male and female within them. In the specific past life connections to one another that correlate with the skipped steps between them, the purpose of this thread, Chloe has been the female, Shaw the male. One of this issues in past life related to the family inheritance correlates with a variety of circumstances concerning that inheritance: social positions, stature, money, and so on that were the basis of conflict between them as brother and sister.
"I am also wondering about whether these two have been separated in the past by caste or social status."
Relative to what the skipped steps are between them .. no.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Marty,
"Is there anything in their synastic chart to indicate that these two could have been considered 'twins' of different mothers from a past life? On Dec. 8 you described that they had been brother and sister in past lives. Is it possible that in one of these lives they were very close in age, and nature, but 'one step removed' genetically?"
Yes. Not sure what you mean about 'twins'. They have had the same fathers who would have mistresses and secret sexual liaisons with women which produced children. So same father, different mothers. Among the symbols that correlate with this is Shaw's Pluto/Moon in opposition to his Venus/Gemini in the 12th which is conjunct his Mars/Saturn in Cancer in that 12th, the Pluto being the ruler of his S.Node in the 4th in Scorpio which is Chloe's Ceres, her Nodal Axis in Cancer/ Capricorn in his 12th, 6th, with her Venus, Mercury squaring those Nodes in his 4th House, and Shaw's own Ceres in Cancer on her S.Node.
"Could Shaw's Pluto polarity point have something to do with coming to terms with a 'twin self' because they were once so close in age and nature?"
This issue here is for them both realizing in other lives that they have had different mothers with the same fathers: Shaw's polarity point, in general, is learning how to see and understand others objectively. Thus to know, see, and understand his sister in this way.
"I'm looking at Gemini on the 12th house - its' ruler in Shaw's house, which squares Chloes' nodes, is in an individuating, independent sign in a house of autonomous authority. Chloe's Mercury (also square her nodes) is in a more dependent sign in a house of maternal identification. Is it possible that these two have been gender flip-flopping through more than one lifetime in order to 'walk in each others' shoes'? Also their Mercurys oppose each other in the Capricorn/Cancer houses. Are they learning a new intellectual reality - one of utter mutuality (how I treat you affects me)?
They are learning to understand each other objectively, and to adjust their orientation to one another accordingly. In the past lives that correlate to the skipped steps they typically would alternate between agreeing with one another, this opinion or that, to total disagreement leading to tremendous arguing with one another. Each would try to convince the other of their own rightness. This becomes resolved by objectively understanding one another where both are learning, at the same time, to become responsible for the realities each have created for themselves versus feeling victimized. They have both been flip flopping between being male / female for their own individual evolutionary purposes. Relative to the past lives that correlate to the skipped steps between them Chloe has been the female, Shaw the male.
"Also are they learning the utter sanctity of all life with Shaw's desire nature and reality structure planets in Cancer in the 12th? It's hard for me to separate my feelings from the study."
Yes, both are learning this individually, and together. But this is not one of the 'skipped steps' between them which is the focus on this thread. The essence of EA is to try as best we can to see the dynamics in any given Soul as objectively as we can: to remove the subjective. It takes practice over time.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thanks for checking... I'm pretty busy at the moment, but have just started catching up with a little reading. If I make more progress with that I may get to a point in the next two or three days to write. But I can't promise that, so probably best to just go at the pace that fits everyone else..
thanks Upasika
I think one of the ways that the skipped steps between Chloe and Shaw could be resolved would be for Chloe to become consciously aware of how her competitive nature and overbearing presence sets off his anger, and to take action to re-channel that creative energy away from him and towards herself in a way that is unique to her, and obviously non-competitive. She could actually help to encourage his own efforts at finding security within himself through her own efforts at actualizing her inner talents. They both want to be recognized, they are both special, but they can both be special and recognized in their own individual way, outside and separate from each other (not in a way that would exclude them working together in the future). (Chloe's Mars/Leo/1st square Shaw's North Node Taurus/South Node Scorpio)
If Shaw feels dominated by his sister, he would need to learn to take the responsibility of initiating conversations with her where he could tell her of his need for space in order to re-balance. Also a need for space in order to create. During such conversations, he could listen to Chloe's concerns relative to how she feels he has been treating her, as well as anything else she wants to say to him, and all this while each taking a turn to be silent while the other speaks. Therapists can help with this through the use of a "talking stick" - the one holding a stick is the only one who talks while the other listens, and vice versa. Sometimes this practice can include the listener to repeat back to the talker exactly what they have just said in order to evaluate their listening skills. (His Mercury/Aries/10th Square Chloe's North Node/Capricorn/6th, South Node/Cancer/1st)
Hi DDD,
Excellent strategies that perfectly correlate to the EA symbols between them.
God Bless, Rad
All,
We will continue on tomorrow, Dec 15th, by examining the synastry of Chloes birth chart with Shaw's overlaid upon that.
God Bless, Rad
All,
Ok, so we will now continue by doing an EA examination of Chloe's natal chart with her brother Shaw's chart overlaying it that correlates with the synastry between them.
So we want to focus on Shaw's Nodal Axis with his S.Node in Scorpio in her 4th, ruled by his Pluto/Moon in her 5th. That S.Node is conjunct Chloe's Vesta, and Sun. His North Node in Taurus is in her 10th House that is ruled by his Venus in Gemini in her 11th which is conjunct his Mars in Cancer also in the 11th, and that Mars is also conjunct his Saturn which is in her 12th House. His Neptune, which squares his Nodes correlating to his skipped steps because it is square his Nodal Axis, lands in her 7th House and is conjunct her Jupiter, Moon, Neptune, and Chiron.
His Mercury in Aries which is in her 9th House squares her S.Node in Cancer in the 12th which is conjunct Shaw's own Ceres, and is also square her N.Node in Capricorn in her 6th House which is also Shaw's Juno and Chiron.
We have now done quite a bit of EA work understanding the various dynamics between them and why: all that we have already done that should be remembered and used as context. So we want to now focus on Chloe and how her own emotional/ psychological/ soul dynamics have interacted with Shaw's from HER POINT OF VIEW. We want to specifically focus on what the nature of the skipped steps that she is responsible for with him, and WHY THOSE SKIPPED STEPS HAVE BEEN CREATED.
One of the archetypes that JWG taught that correlates when siblings become intimate is Libra, Venus, and the 7th House. Gemini, Mercury, and the 3rd House correlate of course to siblings. It is because of Libra is part of the natural trinity with Gemini, and Aquarius that this correlation occurs through.
When trying to understand the evolutionary and karmic dynamics between them that has caused the skipped steps between them, remembering again to understand their individual skipped steps and why, from Chloe's point of view start with this fact: that Chloe has felt imprisoned by the types of families that her Soul chose to be born into. She has felt unloved for her own nature: that which she intrinsically is. She has of course, as any child would, want to be loved and validated by her parents. When this does not occur is leads to displaced emotions that manifest towards others whom the Soul feels can provide that love and validation.
So one simple example when you look at Shaw's chart overlaid on top of her chart we can see how she wanted to be rescued by him that was fueled by how her soul took his soul into hers.
So in the context of her Soul let's try to understand how she has taken Shaw in given that they have come into other lives together with the same father but different mothers: blended families.
So let's give it a go. If you have any questions please ask them of me now.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Is it possible that because Chloe has displaced emotions and feelings of deep emptiness revolving around father figures that she became desperate in wanting Shaw to fill that spot. So desperate that Chloe used a form of emtrapment in a way, she used her feminine and mothering nature to seduce Shaw and because of Shaws own displaced emotions and not seeing others clearly he fell into her seduction? Is it possible that Chloe actually in the end wanted to become pregnant with a baby as a way to fill this deep emotional emptiness in her as well as a way to bond to Shaw? I'm looking at this through all the aspects mentioned above as well as tying in Shaws Uranus in Pisces in Chloe's 8th house is trine his Saturn Mars conjunction in Cancer in her 11th and 12th all trine to her Sun in Scorpio in the 4th as well as the south nodes of Mercury Venus and Mars in Scorpio in the 4th.
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Rad,
Thank you for your lead so far. I've been giving it a lot of though, specially on the 12th house overlay issues but i'm afraid getting lost a bit.
I see, from Chloe's point of view that Shaw's soul has been taken by her as a mirror her own soul - her SN in cancer, his SN in her 4th, her NN in Capricorn, his NN in her 10th house. She wants to learn emotional self-sufiency and become secure within herself, he also has the same desires so he appears as a symbol of emotional nurturance within her family context, bringing specialness, shine, his moon in her 5th, to make her feel secure, although he only also projects this security on her with his neptune 7th house skipped step in his and her life. This moon/pluto in her 5th would also represent children within the relationship has a way to secure the relationship and as a result of the emotional closeness and intensity between them and maybe a natural consequence to a certain fear of the separation because of the natural society judgment of the brother sister relationship.
Since her moon is her 7th, libra house, conjunct jupiter, chiron and neptune in aquarius, i can see from what you shared that this can exactly represent the symbolism of brother/sister relationship becoming sexualized by also his venus and mars falling in her 11th, her venus being in the 3rd.
My questions, relative to the synastry, in the this context and a more general one from what we've been talking about previously, is that both have planets squaring each other nodes, opposing each other's skipped steps, so i take from here that both in some way are opposing the resolution. For instance, from Chloe's point of view, she feels Shaw's mercury in aries in her 9th opposing her own mercury and venus in libra, the symbols for her brother sister relationship and skipped steps. So she feels his presence as a conflicting need for his freedom and liberation (his mercury pulled by mars in her 11th) that is a threat to her emotional security (opposing her pluto)?
As for the 12th house Rad, i have some doubts on the fact that this house correlates to space, personal space, as you mentioned and the natural symbolism in synastry, taking that in synastry, i suppose is right, the houses represent the context in which we take the others in relationships, meaning how they appear in our context, and so the general meaning of this context when it it is the 12th house and this notion of 'space'.
Since hey both have planets in their own 12th houses and they both have planets occupying the 12th in synastry. I get this symbol means that a merging of their souls, not being able to separate, is the issue here but i feel cannot understand fully the symbolism of the specific planets/nodes for each others house. So for instance, her node on his 12th house means in the context of the specific events that this merging got her to lose her life on his hands, but what would be the meaning of the node being also in her own 12th house, comparing to a situation when there is not this mutual symbolism? Would that involve mutual desire for it to be that way?
And in a general context how can we approach the meaning of personal planets in synastry when the other person has no planets of its own in the 12th house? No mutual desire, a taking, abuse of the other's space?
Thank you all for your participation and sorry for a comment that ends up being a lot of questions!..
Helena
Hi Heather,
"Is it possible that because Chloe has displaced emotions and feelings of deep emptiness revolving around father figures that she became desperate in wanting Shaw to fill that spot. So desperate that Chloe used a form of emtrapment in a way, she used her feminine and mothering nature to seduce Shaw and because of Shaws own displaced emotions and not seeing others clearly he fell into her seduction?"
No, she did not entrap Shaw or seduce him. Her soul was simply hypnotically attracted to his: infatuated. It is true in the lives they shared together in the context of families that she reached out to him to help her and him deal with the various types of crisis's occurring in the family, to survive them together, and she wanted him to 'rescue' her from the inner sense of being imprisoned is such families. The intimacy that occurred that lead to becoming pregnant in one of those lives, the last life together, took place in the context of bonding together because of the nature of the families/ fathers: crisis creating proximity together because of the crisis's. Like two people holing up together to withstand something. Their desire for each other sexually was mutual.
"Is it possible that Chloe actually in the end wanted to become pregnant with a baby as a way to fill this deep emotional emptiness in her as well as a way to bond to Shaw? I'm looking at this through all the aspects mentioned above as well as tying in Shaws Uranus in Pisces in Chloe's 8th house is trine his Saturn Mars conjunction in Cancer in her 11th and 12th all trine to her Sun in Scorpio in the 4th as well as the south nodes of Mercury Venus and Mars in Scorpio in the 4t"
It was not some kind of conscious choice on her part to become pregnant. She really had no access to birth control stuff in that life. The pregnancy occurred because of that fact, and of course lead to the deepest crisis between them.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad, Kristen & all
Finally found some time to catch up a bit on reading. I'm still behind but I got up to the end of discussion about Chloe. She was well covered and I was about to move onto the first synastry chart, but then I spotted something about her skipped steps. The more I looked the more I saw a few things that may be pertinent which weren't covered.
So for the sake of completeness I decided to write down more about that, and will post it here. I'll try and catch up on the synastry in the next couple of days or so.
This will inevitably repeat things that have already been discussed re Chloe, and may not add much that is new even. But hopefully that's ok. I felt there is a deeper background to her skipped steps that may become relevant further down the track. Or it may not. And as always, if I've got the wrong end of the stick anywhere, or need guidance with anything, I'd be very grateful for that.
Chloe
To see into the deep past of Chloe's soul we can examine the condition of the SNode of Pluto in her chart. It is in the 6th house, like Shaw's. So the situation is the same - in those very distant past lives, at a soul level, Chloe was making many adjustments in herself, shedding excess trappings in her lives, retreating from any accumulated egocentric baggage of the (prior) 5th house, minimising her needs and demands in life, and aiming at synthesising her mind and body into a healthy synthesis.
To enforce these adjustments many crises will have occurred, and she would have required an effective ability to analyse situations and herself to deal with these crises. As well, to progress with this process generally, she would have had to reach towards the polarity point of the 12th house. Here a sense of unity and larger, even ultimate, meaning would have provided her with greater perspective on herself and her situations.
So - how did her soul get on with all of this? Well straight away, we can see that her SNode of the Moon is in the 12th house. This shows us that in much more recent lives she is again dealing with 12th house matters. Of course the natural question arises - are the 12th house things she has been dealing with in recent lives related in any way to the 12th house factors she was involved with in those very distant past lives, when the 12th house was the polarity point (PP) of the SNode of Pluto?
For that we need to look at the ruler of the SNode of Pluto to get more information about how the soul went about learning it's 6th house lessons in that very distant timeframe. The ruler is Saturn and it is in Virgo in the 2nd house, so the soul was purifying (6th) by withdrawing (2nd) from involvement with others and society generally, learning to be self-reliant, and also focusing on listening (Venus, natural ruler of the 2nd house) to itself more closely, to discern (6th) it's actual needs (2nd) as opposed to any lingering excessive 5th house aggrandisement-type wants.
A logical enough approach to dealing with 6th house requirements - both earth houses and so in harmony. We could conclude that things probably went reasonably ok.
However in fact a big problem is revealed here: Saturn -ruler of the SNode of Pluto- is in a close square aspect to Pluto itself (the soul in the present life). Why a problem? Because this shows us that in recent lives (symbolised by Pluto) Chloe's soul had brought forward unresolved issues from those very distant lives (Saturn, SNode of Pluto's ruler) and recently started to renew work on them (the square in this life to Pluto).
This implies that all may not have gone so well in all those distant lives represented by SNode of Pluto being in the 6th house. What makes this further very likely is that the ruler of the SNode of Pluto (Saturn) is also the ruler of Pluto itself.
The SNode of the Moon (in the 12th) represents the way in recent lives that the soul was facilitating progress with its 5th house lessons - where Pluto is now. However the 12th house was also the PP for the SNode of Pluto, which represents a much more distant time in the soul's deep past. This crossover reinforces that unresolved 6th house/12th house issues have remained from that distant past. And that the soul has quite recently unearthed these issues, bringing them into focus, intending to work on and hopefully resolve them. Thus the issues that Chloe's nodal axis represent in this life are not new at all, they are very deeply embedded issues for her, issues that have dragged out over many, many lives.
Against this backdrop, when we return to the present, things start to make a bit more sense. This is the deep reason underlying the core compression that has accumulated in her soul. Rad pointed this compression out for us, saying it a real KEY in this chart, also talking about repeating dynamics within it:
"Pluto and its inconjunct aspect to Mars in Leo in the 5th, and to see that that 5th House Pluto rules her SNodes of Mars, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio in her 4th House. Within that 4th house is her Sun in Scorpio conjunct asteroid Ceres, ruled by that same 5th House Pluto, and square that Mars in Leo in the 12th. This key correlates to the incredible inner intensity within her Soul"¦"
Pluto has aspects to other planets besides these, so why is it that these specific planets make up the KEY in this chart? Well, of all the possible aspects from other planets to Pluto two will always be very significant. First Mars is the lower octave of Pluto; where Pluto represents our unconscious pool of desires, Mars shows us which of these has been become conscious and activated. So any aspect between Pluto and Mars is always important. Secondly when Pluto is in aspect to its ruler this is also very significant - it gives "tributary" information about the progress the soul has been making with its core intentions.
The condition of Pluto's relationship with both Mars and Saturn contribute to this soul compression - Mars is in the same house (12th house) where the Moon's SNode is, reinforcing that the soul wants to actively keep forging ahead in this area (Mars - conscious motivating desires). Yet we know that while those SNode issues pertain to recent lives (that's what the Moon's SNode refers to) they are also linked to a much deeper layer of unresolved 12th house material in the soul from its much more distant past (being the PP of Pluto's SNode).
We've also covered how Saturn links the soul's efforts (Saturn) in recent lives (it is Pluto's ruler) to 6th house efforts from that much more distant past in the soul's history (it also rules the SNode of Pluto). This link shows the very deep struggle the soul has become burdened by. And it's also reflected by the close waning square from Saturn to Pluto - showing the very great ongoing difficulty in bringing 2nd house (where Saturn is) functioning into reality.
Finally, that which Pluto itself rules - SNodes of Mercury, Venus and Mars in Scorpio in the 4th House. Scorpio is the "soul" sign so whatever is in there is always significant from a purely soul perspective, as it is ruled by Pluto itself. And these SNodes are of the very personal planets so they are the more individualistic planetary SNodes. And here the SNode of Mercury is also conjunct the stellium of Ceres, Sun and Mercury, all in the 4th. This is a tight little grouping in itself, but additionally it's solidly linked in to the soul's situation in two more ways.
Firstly, the Sun and Mercury are also connected to the soul (Pluto) by sextile, and the whole stellium is square Mars (and Mars and Pluto are inconjunct, completing the circle). This then links the 4th house (where they reside) both ways to the Soul (through Mars and Pluto), and thus to the issues it has been dealing with in recent lives (12th house and 5th house).
Secondly, the Sun and Mercury are also squaring the nodal axis in the 12th/6th . This is additionally connecting them to the soul. In the case of Mercury this is a "standard" past life skipped step. However normally with the Sun this does not represent a skipped step, it means the Soul is very concerned about a possible impending skipped step so has positioned the consciousness in a point of alertness, watchfulness, regarding this.
Finally, Venus in the neighbouring 3rd house is also square the nodal axis - another element in the skipped steps situation. And because Venus rules itself and is at the beginning of the squaring aspect to the Moon's nodes, this indicates that it is a very old skipped step that has been brought forward very recently, perhaps in the most recent past life.
So all in all, this is definitely not a lightweight skipped step situation! - it is really intense, more so than Shaw's. And with the Sun being the natural ruler of the 5th house where Pluto is, plus it's in Scorpio, plus it's aspecting both Pluto and the Moon's Nodes "¦ it has almost morphed into a skipped step itself as well.
What seems to be the situation here "¦ is incredibly deep issues regarding Chloe's battle for self- esteem (Saturn in the 2nd) within the family (stellium in the 4th), with deeply engrained expectations that others (Venus trine 7th house planets) will save her.
Her core difficulty in listening to herself (Venus square nodal axis) has resulted in a great escapism (SNode in 12th) into others (Moon -the SNode ruler- is in the 7th, plus Venus is in Libra and trining all those 7th house planets). She literally lives outside her body a lot of the time (SNode in 12th, 7th house is in airy Aquarius).
What went wrong in those very distant lives (represented by SNode of Pluto in the 6th) is that the soul suffered a great deal of trauma regarding its ability to survive and fit into society (Saturn - society- the ruler, in Virgo 2nd -survival- opposite Uranus -trauma/shock). This in turn affected its relationship to itself (2nd), becoming disillusioned, losing the sense of personal meaning (2nd) in its life. This in turn created a core resistance to dealing with the evolutionary requirements of the 6th house.
The way out it decided was to turn to God, as a way of escaping - the opposition to SNode of Pluto's ruler (Saturn) to Uranus conjunct Juno, both in Pisces ("God"). A collapsing into an unconscious (Uranus) desire for salvation (Pisces). It is this unresolved issue from that distant past that was awakened in the soul's recent lives, showing up as the Moon's SNode being in the 12th.
However we can see from all the quincunxes from the SNode "¦ to its ruler (the Moon) in the 7th, tightly conjunct both Neptune (the natural ruler of the Pisces/12th) and Chiron (where the accumulated wounding has eventually surfaced) - both also in the 7th and all in Aquarius (trauma), that the soul has now developed a very deep resistance to dealing with those 12th house factors.
Rather, we can see via the solid band of trines from the four 7th house planets to Venus in the 3rd/Libra and from Chiron and Neptune in the 7th to Mercury, that the soul in recent lives checked out from all 12th house, and also to an extent 6th house, areas of experience, preferring to erect extensive expectations concerning others (7th), and engage in constant projections onto others (both 3rd/Libra and 7th/Aquarius are airy). And as a result has lost the ability to listen (Venus, natural ruler of the 2nd) to its own self and to analyse (Mercury, natural ruler of the 6th) how to meet its own needs - which are the two skipped step areas. And it was these two areas that the soul was dealing with in those very, very distant past lives shown by Pluto's SNode being in the 6th, and it's ruler Saturn being in the 2nd.
This shows us these skipped steps are very complex in Chloe, and are linked very extremely deeply into her soul structure. With Mercury (natural ruler of Gemini - siblings) being in the 4th, and Venus being in the 3rd (siblings), it is certainly no surprise that she and Shaw have the very difficult issues that they do.
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What I've tried to do here is focus more on some of the soul structure/bones that may be behind the skipped steps. I realize it's a bit after the fact - hope that's ok.
blessings Upasika
Hi Helena,
My questions, relative to the synastry, in the this context and a more general one from what we've been talking about previously, is that both have planets squaring each other nodes, opposing each other's skipped steps, so i take from here that both in some way are opposing the resolution. For instance, from Chloe's point of view, she feels Shaw's mercury in aries in her 9th opposing her own mercury and venus in libra, the symbols for her brother sister relationship and skipped steps. So she feels his presence as a conflicting need for his freedom and liberation (his mercury pulled by mars in her 11th) that is a threat to her emotional security (opposing her pluto)?
The synastry charts between them correlate, relative to the skipped steps, the dynamics between them have come to ahead. There was no 'blocking' action taking place between them before this life. The specific blocking action that occurred that set up the current life is when she became pregnant. Shaw blocked himself from accepting any responsibility in his own actions that lead to that. He wanted to blame her, and created all kinds of 'beliefs' within him self about her that served as his justification for blaming her. Those beliefs equaling judgements were of course projected onto her by way of his words that he used towards here when the pregnancy was realized by them both. Those words were of course beyond wounding and hurtful. It all lead to him taking her life, and the life of the baby of course.
In this life that blocking action was beginning to manifest as Kristin has documented for us: Shaw's reaction to her coming into the existing family with him and his parents. With his Mercury in Aries in her 9th, squaring her Nodes, and opposing her Venus/Mercury this correlates to creating within himself 'beliefs' about her that had been building in the lives that they shared together in other lives that finally came to ahead in the last life in which the pregnancy happened: blaming her, projecting all kinds of stuff on her that he made himself believe in order to blame her instead of accepting the responsibility in his own actions. In turn Chloe created and projected her own inner image of whom she wanted Shaw to be given how she took his soul in, and the circumstances of the family life they shared together. It is as if she 'saw' his Soul yet had difficulties in seeing/ understanding the specific egocentric structures his soul manifested through. She simply loved him unconditionally no matter what. This is her Venus trining his Neptune.
When the pregnancy happened is exactly when the thread to both their emotional security took place in the context of the families they lived in in that life: there were still middle age teenagers then. That is the core meaning of that Mars/Saturn of his in her 11th opposing her Pluto.
So all of that has come to ahead in this life, and must be resolved for them to carry on their ongoing evolutionary journey together.
"As for the 12th house Rad, i have some doubts on the fact that this house correlates to space, personal space, as you mentioned and the natural symbolism in synastry, taking that in synastry, i suppose is right, the houses represent the context in which we take the others in relationships, meaning how they appear in our context, and so the general meaning of this context when it it is the 12th house and this notion of 'space'.
You are of course free to doubt whatever you need too. The issue of 'space' , personal space, as an issue between them is in fact a fact. That's why Shaw said what he said about her when she was born into the family they share in this life. Space correlates with the 12th House, Neptune, and Pisces. These are part of natural trinity with Cancer, Moon, and the 4th house as well as Scorpio, Pluto, and the 8th. Cancer then is personal space as in one's home environment, and Scorpio the proximity we have with others in all kinds of space environments. For example, the natural polarity to Cancer is Capricorn of course. So there can be 'space' issues linked with one's work or career.
"Since hey both have planets in their own 12th houses and they both have planets occupying the 12th in synastry. I get this symbol means that a merging of their souls, not being able to separate, is the issue here but i feel cannot understand fully the symbolism of the specific planets/nodes for each others house. So for instance, her node on his 12th house means in the context of the specific events that this merging got her to lose her life on his hands, but what would be the meaning of the node being also in her own 12th house, comparing to a situation when there is not this mutual symbolism? Would that involve mutual desire for it to be that way?
I am not following or quite understanding what you are asking: the bold sentence.
"And in a general context how can we approach the meaning of personal planets in synastry when the other person has no planets of its own in the 12th house? No mutual desire, a taking, abuse of the other's space?
They both have planets/ nodes in their own 12th Houses.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Upasika,
Of course it is ok. What you have demonstrated, again, is the incredible depth of EA itself by way of focusing on the structural nature of her Soul, and how has been/ is the determinants leading to her own skipped steps. Wonderful EA work Upasika. And, again,thanks for taking the time to contribute to this thread.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Thank you Rad for explaining that to me.
Thank you everyone for sharing, the wealth of information here is truly mind blowing. I pray I am learning something from it all but honestly all I can say at this moment in time is wow wow wow. Maybe some day I will at least understand the basics :)
Heather
Hi Heather,
It is simply a matter of dedication and doing as many chart from an EA point of view as you can. Thus, the more observation and correlation that you do will allow you to progressively 'get it'. And you are doing JUST FINE so far !
God Bless, Rad
Rad,
Thank you for kind words of encouragement. Right now this thread is all I have available to me to learn EA and get invaluable feedback. I hope more than anything that one day I will be able to get myself into a situation where I can spend as much as my time as possible being personally taught EA, an apprenticeship of some sort.
Thank you so much for teaching us here
Heather
Hi Rad, Heather, Upasika and Everyone,
I must say how much i share Heather's opinion and appreciation for everyone's contribution, and specially Rad for his constant effort to always be present to our questions. I also want to say how inspiring it is to read Upasika's comments and see how this complexity can so naturally unfold by the way it is presented, thank you for that!
In my last comment Rad, i believe some confusion came from me using the word 'doubts', I just wanted to clear that when i meant doubts, maybe is an expression i use naturally i my native language (not english), referring to my own confusion to the understanding of it, not doubting someone or what has been said about it of course. In fact, quite the contrary, i was really amazed on that correlation, because it really made sense and somehow i've never read or payed attention to that symbolism, so just wanted to be able to go more in to meaning and context of it in EA but I get it now with the example you used relative to water trinity. Very clear, thanks!
As for the question refered in the bold sentence (i know i haven't explained myself clearly because the issues brought by it are also a bit unclear to me, hope this can be better..), would be about this notion of space being felt by the house person relative to the planet person coming in, representing in this case we're studying, maybe a mutual situation to be in each others space, creating an unavoidable 'invasion' but also because of it turning into an unavoidable issue to face, that being the evolutionary intention of the aspects for both? And secondly, how can this symbolism portray in cases/situations were this happens only through synastry in personal charts with empty 12th houses, or just one person has personal planets in the 12th house.
Thank so much,
Helena
Hi Helena,
"As for the question refered in the bold sentence (i know i haven't explained myself clearly because the issues brought by it are also a bit unclear to me, hope this can be better..), would be about this notion of space being felt by the house person relative to the planet person coming in, representing in this case we're studying, maybe a mutual situation to be in each others space, creating an unavoidable 'invasion' but also because of it turning into an unavoidable issue to face, that being the evolutionary intention of the aspects for both?""
The evolutionary intention for Shaw and Chloe is exactly what we have been discussing in our thread.
"And secondly, how can this symbolism portray in cases/situations were this happens only through synastry in personal charts with empty 12th houses, or just one person has personal planets in the 12th house."
I am still not understanding what you are trying to ask about in this question Helena...sorry.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thank you for trying to answer. I see it is not a well formulated question at all. I will think about it better and if it is relevant to bring back in the context of our thread i will post it.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Everyone,
I want to get a clearer picture of the skip step dynamics between Shaw and Chloe. I feel I understand from Shaws side what his skipped steps with Chloe are but I'm not as clear in the reverse direction of Chloe's with Shaw.
Shaws skipped steps with Chloe are about him taking responsibility for his own actions in what happened between them as well as to acknowledge others realities/Chloe's as being as important or equal to his own? Revolving around the projections he has placed on her and specifically in a most recent life the projections he placed on her in regards to a pregnancy they were both responsible for? Shaw will also have to go further than that to go deep inside himself to recover and resolve the emotional torment/paradox he feels inside over being responsible for his deep explosive emotional nature that actually lead to the death of Chloe and the baby?
Chloe's skipped steps with Shaw revolve around this deep inner emptiness that she feels inside and how she is relating to others because of this specifically how she sees Shaw and how she desired to take him into her this infatuation with him, as you have explained Rad? Chloe's learning to get in touch with her own true reality through this relation to Shaw and she is learning about these desires inside herself to want to be rescued by others? I feel Chloe has a deeper part to play in what her skipped steps are with Shaw but I'm not quite sure what that revolves around further then what I just shared?
Thank you
Heather
Hi Heather,
We are still waiting for the others participating in this thread to share what they want to contribute in the segment of our thread. So I don't want to comment right now on what you are asking.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Sree, DDD, Priya, Edward, Helena, Marty, and Skywalker
Please let me know if any of you are planning on adding anything more to this segment of our thread. Remember the value is in effort. And you all have been doing just great.
God Bless, Rad
Hi everyone I would really like to contribute. I have a long appt. this am but want to work some more on Chloe/Shaw synastry chart this pm. As always thanks for your patience. DDD
Finding my superficial astrology from the past getting in the way - would like to more fully understand the archetypes (phase, sign, house). I think that penning it out and getting your feedback is my best practice.
You're facilitating something very cool, Rad. Thank you. Even following along is an incredible learning experience.
Edward
Edit: In the process of typing, but taking a break to visit the Falls with a friend. Will have something posted in a few hours. Cheers!
Hi Everyone,
Ok Rad thank you. I look forward to being taught through what everyone shares here on this site. :)
Hi also to anyone else who is having a hard time like I am at synthesizing EA the JWG Planetary Method of EA Chart Interpretation is described here on this site. I started trying to work with charts in a very simple succinct way this week using that method and I think it's been helpful.
Heather
Chloe projects a sense of inner security (Scorpio) onto her brother, and is unable to find the necessary resolve to experiences had together in the past (balsamic Moon-Pluto, ruled by Saturn). Relying on her brother, Chloe has a sub-conscious memory of the safety he provided throughout various traumas (Saturn opposition Uranus balsamic Juno). Her entire reality had been continuously reframed, and their relationship was the only structure that she could rely on (new phase Neptune-Jupiter-Moon approaching Chiron).
Chloe feels the strength of wholeness in their companionship (Lilith-North Node conjunct Juno-Chiron in the 6th ). However, Shaw's individuation process (Mercury waxing trine Pluto) fuels a confrontation (skipped step to Chloe's nodal axis), and demands a reappraisal of what had occurred in the past. In an attempt to experience variety in relationship and the objectivity of natural law, Shaw had discredited the emotional turbulence shared with his sister (PPP in 11th new phase Venus, ruled by Mercury).
Shaw seeks to expand, forcefully letting go of experiences had with his sister in search of greater liberation (new phase Moon-Pluto in Sagittarius). Detaching from not only the trauma, but also the relationship itself, he is after a self-sufficiency distanced from the struggles of the past (Jupiter opposition Uranus-Vesta).
Shaw isn't necessarily in the wrong in his approach to the present, yet there is a clear disconnect in how he relates to his sister. With a clearer sense of communication (Mercury-Mercury), she could share the same direction as her brother - accepting the trauma had in the past as an objective reality (PPP in 11th balsamic Mars, South Node as resolution point).
Edward
Hi Rad,
First up all Rad thank you for your patience and encouragement to help newbie,like me,learn Ea to its best.
When i put an effort to participate in this thread it was as a result of some trigger that evoke out of some synchronicity that was happening in my life.I have been reading Jeffery Wolf Greens book for few years and was slowing absorption it by looking on to the chart of friends, close relatives and myself .Few months ago i had two new friends ( both have many planets in skipped step condition) and in their life they where doing so much to handle their life ,only to see that everything was going against them.And they in that state of life felt me as a person to come and talk freely.And i have their chart with me and they talk so openly with me that everything in the chart became so much alive.But their inner suffering was huge and they come to me again and again as they find talking to me as a relief ( minimum a temporary relief).And that time the push i felt within was that if i understand Ea deeper then how much help it can be to them - felt like a guilt that i am not learning Ea fully.And that point of time ,here in the forum skipped step thread got started ,which triggered me to put an effort to participate.And to be honest when i participated i understood that the forum is already full of knowledge ( practice charts ..) that i need to learn from - which i am doing now , reading and learning from practice charts.So i feel this as a better choice than to participate - especially when Synastry is added it looks too heavy for me to bring up with something.So once again thanks Rad for your patience and encouragement, also my deep love to all those who contributed to the forum and making it a valuable resource to learn EA.
Thanks you
Sree
Hi Tashi,
Thanks for taking the time to contribute. God Bless, Rad
Quote from: Rad on Dec 15, 2016, 08:22 AM
So we want to focus on Shaw's Nodal Axis with his S.Node in Scorpio in her 4th, ruled by his Pluto/Moon in her 5th. That S.Node is conjunct Chloe's CERES, and Sun.
Does this reveal through his S.Node (past life trauma) in which she lost her life (Sun), family (Cancer So Node) motherhood, and child = CERES
Her Mars quinx Pluto His Mars opp her Pluto shows the violence that occurred in their past lives.
Her Pluto in the 5h -the house of children, so also the loss of the child is shown here.
Wouldn't this opposition correlate with the evolutionary need to proceed by confrontation? Is this the lifetime of confrontation ( her being born as his sister) wherein Shaw is learning - as Kristen has shared - to unconditional love his sister, and accept her unconditional love, thus helping to heal their past life traumas.
And will Shaw confront as you said earlier in a thread...
"related to the family inheritance correlating with a variety of circumstances concerning that inheritance: social positions, stature, money, and so on, that were the basis of conflict between them as brother and sister."
Yes to all of this
His Neptune, which squares his Nodes correlating to his skipped steps because it is square his Nodal Axis, lands in her 7th House and is conjunct her Jupiter, Moon, Neptune, and Chiron. Did he wound her (chiron, motherhood (moon) because he had false beliefs (neptune) which limited him from aligning with Natural Law.(Jupiter)
This about beliefs he projected upon her relative the fact that they had become sexual leading the a pregnancy where those beliefs reflected avoiding one of his own major lessons, skipped steps, that are about learning to accept the responsibility in his own actions. Thus blaming her totally for this.
He must find a way to clear out the Neptune interactions with her and heal the wounds he caused her and the child and the family. If I am getting the story that has been told here this was in retaliation for her winning against siblings to( see your above quote) inherit, income, status, etc... Whose Neptune is the deceiver. She deceived him to win the inheritances?
Yes, manipulating that lead to deceptions as a means of manipulation ...
So,she has to deal with the remnants of that.
Is it as you say her unconditional love (Neptune trine Venus) for him and is this playing into his Neptune square his Nodal Axis, that lands in her 7th House and is conjunct her Jupiter, Moon, Neptune, and Chiron) that is bringing them back together so that forgiveness and atonement and healing can ensue?
Yes
Or does she have the same limiting beliefs because of her guilt.
No
I don't know her evolutionary state. But having Upsikaya's really incredible insights it looks like they are both going to be struggling with this. It looks like her denial is still very strong with the Saturn square Pluto and she will have to confront her compression this time.
I don't remember reading about their religious conditioning in this life, but if their mother is consulting with Kristen there must be a lot of openness in terms of alignment to Natural Law, so that seems to bode well for Chloe and Shaw. I give a 108* degree between the rulers of Chloes's natal lunar nodes,
and to me this seems to be bringing it all to the fore in this life and bringing in the high energy of Kristin, who is a very exceptionally gifted astrologer and communicator.
* I am referring to 108 degrees just past the crescent septile 102 degrees which JWG says only give a small 1 or 2 degree orb.
And with her 7h stellium including BIG LOVE NEPTUNE must she also learn not to play into a role in which she idealizes him and does not see his woundedness. She must see hers as well and learn how to maneuver a 7th house stellium so that she no longer gives herself away.
His Mercury in Aries which is in her 9th House squares her S.Node in Cancer in the 12th which is conjunct Shaw's own Ceres, and is also square her N.Node in Capricorn in her 6th House which is also Shaw's Juno and Chiron.
Does the Mercury in Aries want to pioneer to learn natural law in this life?
He is learning about be honest and truthful in all things, the truth of anything, including his own truth and the truth of others. He is naturally attracted to Nature and being within it. In that way the understanding/ knowledge of natural laws will take place.
Ruled by Mars in Cancer , which is delineated by the Moon in a chord with Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune, there is a lot to overcome . Beginning with facing the inability to accept the natural outcome of their union, the child - a source of the wounding. Cere'sJuno/Nodes"¦ Ceres=motherhood/child/ Juno can be betrayal.
I remember JWG teaching this karmic pattern in Laguna Beach.
These souls often have guilt because they have assumed the truth of the man-made rules that their actions were immoral or wrong. They have to see that what happened to them is not a violation of Natural Law. In Natural Law, in ancient times children were raised in tribes, no one even knew who their mother or father were, and JWG taught us that it wasn't until this man made morality came into play that guilt and shame were thrown into the human man made morality, in violation of Natural Law.
Now they don't have the tribal situation here unless it is repeating, which I am sorry to say I don't know how to see that. I assume we use the planetary nodes to do so. But if you can point that out to me I will be very grateful.
The guilt of that occurred because of the sexual union leading to the pregnancy is a function of patriarchal/ religious conditioning. That nature of that life they they were leaving in that life, the context of it defined by the parental reality at that time which one one of social power and the their positions within that society, is that which caused Shaw to do what he did to her.
"¦"¦ what the nature of the skipped steps that she is responsible for with him, and WHY THOSE SKIPPED STEPS HAVE BEEN CREATED.
She has to align with Natural Law as described above. So does he. They have to forgive the guilt they have because of the man made morality.
The skipped steps are not about natural laws.
She has felt unloved for her own nature: that which she intrinsically is. She has of course, as any child would, want to be loved and validated by her parents. When this does not occur it leads to displaced emotions that manifest towards others whom the Soul feels can provide that love and validation.
I see that she must become self reliant with the ruler of her North Node in the 2h Saturn at 29 Virgo. She will have to continue to self-improve with that Saturn in Virgo and North Node in 6h And she has to establish good boundaries with Shaw this time. She must get her own identity based on her values, her own talents and her expanding understanding of Natural Law. She must use her Pluto 5h talents and resources to ensure she is and can be (2h ruler) self reliant and self loving, self respecting.
Q:Does the 29 Virgo mean what it means in the old 8) astrology, "that there is an intensity at 29, to accomplish this task?"
Yes
She must do something creative again, so that she does not repeat the intensity( Pluto5h) of the past where she projected her need for self -acceptance ( 2h) onto him. Although she should not feel gulity that she did that as siblings, she has a history of doing this, and its time to stop it. VENUS PALLAS MERCURY can find a better way of being doing it.
JwG says the answer is in the problem.
The problem is her skipped step Venus( 2=self reliance, 7 healthy balanced relationship love) Pallas and Mercury ( sibling rivalry).
One of the core of her skipped steps with him involves her need, Venus, to see him as he is. She has relative to his soul: she sees/ knows/ loves his soul which has blinded her from seeing the egocentric structures that his soul has created for his own evolutionary needs. Thus, crisis's created with him have this as one of the core underpinnings relative to those skipped steps with him.
Could that also be a solution. Healthy sibling rivalry balanced through Love!
So as she is dealing from lifetime to lifetime with the issues of a lack of self love. Her Venus in the 2nd house as a skipped step shows us she needs to value herself, but that Venus is in LIBRA - she has to deal with her 7h relationship(s), relating in a more considerate manner, Aquarius, real friendship this time.
And she is going to have to sort out their mutual betrayals as they mature, through some learning/teaching (Mercury skstep)/co-operative endeavor. PPP in 11h And they have an evolutionary astrologer, so something is going well.
Yes, but this is also about skipped steps they have together: seeing/ knowing/ learning from each other by OBJECTIFYING THE REALITY OF EACH OTHER WITH ONE ANOTHER.
Could it be as simple as staying friends and nurturing even teaching talents to each other's offspring, to heal their unborn child's karma, perhaps the child will be born to Shaw, a female child, his Pluto Moon in her fifth house. Just wondering as it seems this within the archetypal possibilities.
Yes
1. Traumas. ( Certainly their horrible family situations and then the child's and Chloe's death continues it, but what brought on the family situation, because she was so selfish and competitive when in her high born families? Her Mars conjunction to her Lunar South Node?
Her Soul created those family situations, particularity with the fathers, in order to learn inner emotional security and self reliance: to actualize herself from within herself instead of creating the realities of others for herself in order to feel loved and accepted.
2. Guilt that the soul has assumed because of man-made rules, morality that is man made about right and wrong. ( Certainly finding oneself pregnant with one's teenage sister or brother could do this. Saturn in Virgo, Both their Pluto's in th 5h of LOVE But in the face of the patriarchal society where Shaw could not individuate and needed to stay safe with his herd/co dependence , he then sacrificed her life for his own fears?
In essence, yes.
3. Judgments ( overcome her self loathing because of her love for Shaw in that previous life which caused their joint trauma)
Q:. Are some souls also working on the collective unconscious karma and have a specific piece of that puzzle to solve for humanity? When souls have connections to the 14-20 Cancer Capricorn, the nodes of Pluto Uranus and Saturn I generally assume that. Is that right?
All souls, in the end, are working on the collective unconscious karma ..........
Are Chloes' Lunar south nodes within orb of this? Again what is her evolutionary state?
So I am now seeing that her 2h house Saturn ruling her North Node in Capricorn in her sixth could possibly be turned into a way to be of support and service ( Virgo) to her family and to Shaw Not knowing her evolutionary state I cannot know what level of EA will it come through.
We are focusing on the skipped steps between them in this thread, and now to resolve. This is the first life where they have actually had to same parents: mother / father. Relative to the past lives in which they always had the same father, different mothers, this is a big step to help them resolve those skipped steps that will manifest for both of them as an ongoing commitment to one another and their family of origin.
So one simple example when you look at Shaw's chart overlaid on top of her chart we can see how she wanted to be rescued by him that was fueled by how her soul took his soul into hers.
Rad, I am sorry I don't know what "how her soul took his soul into hers" means here?
She took his soul into her totally: his soul into hers without any boundary's. Total absorption of his soul into hers.
Can't wait to find out....
Hi Rad,
At the moment I will only read what others have been posting.
Thank you
All the best
Hi Rad,
I still need to catch up on what's been covered so far with the synastry charts, but its also a little busy this close to Christmas, so won't be able to post for a couple of days. Therefore if the group needs to move on before then just do so, one way or another I'll catch up in due course.
thanks Upasika
Hi Edward,
Thanks for taking the time to contribute. What you have shared is all within the realm of the archetypal possibilities between Shaw and Chloe.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Sree,
Thank you so much for sharing exactly where you are at with EA, your own growth, and how EA is progressively coming alive for you relative to those who are seeking you out: the correlation and observation that is so essential in learning EA. That is just fantastic Sree.
God Bless, Rad
As we learned at the beginning of this thread Shaw's interaction with his sister in this life has not been ideal. He feels anger towards her for invading his space and perceived her as intruding when she first came into the family. She, in turn, loves her brother and craves his attention. In the past, Shaw and Chloe had become dependent on each other for emotional and psychological survival in order to cope with the difficult circumstances of their childhoods. (His south node/Scorpio/4th, north node Taurus/10th square her Moon/Jupiter/Neptune in Aquarius/7th). In effect, they would have created their own private world through physical proximity and dialogue. Chloe probably found his storytelling quite captivating, the power and spontaneity of a new phase Pluto/Moon conjunction in Saggitarius/5th being channelled through a trine to his Mercury/Aries in her 9th house, sextile her Neptune in Aquarius/7th - in effect removing her from the harsh reality of an emotionally fractured internal life.
Through the limitations inherent in Pluto and the implied evolutionary necessity to grow and evolve, their interactions could often devolve into personal clashes as the argumentative, opinionated and self-righteous nature of Shaw's Mercury/Aries/9th trine his Pluto/Moon/Sag/5th could hurt her emotionally through his criticism of her. (His Mercury/Aries/ inconjunct her Saturn/Virgo/2nd). This in turn, would hurt her own self-image and reflect the criticisms she received from the fathers who thought she was never good enough. She might not have been able to connect her own competitive and bossy nature to the breakdown of their interaction.
Shaw's Neptune/Aquarius/7th is trine Chloe's Venus/Libra 3rd and conjunct her stellium in her 7th (Jupiter/Moon/Neptune in Aquarius). Her Moon in Aquarius displaces her south node in Cancer and is inconjunct his Neptune. Chloe has been captivated by her brother in the past, his attention filling the void left by the unrequited love and attention she really wanted from her parents. The extremes in how Chloe and Shaw have interacted in the past can also be seen (at least in part) through Shaw's Mercury/Aries/9th opposite Chloe's Venus/Libra/3rd. This is also one of the indications of their sexual union which happened partly through displaced emotions (her Venus inconjunct Uranus/Pisces/8th). This has in turn has created crises when, from the point of view of patriarchal reality, "lines" were crossed when they became intimate with each other, and a child being the result of their union.
Both these siblings have, at various times in the evolutionary past, felt powerless in the face of the family dynamics they were born into. Their sexual union probably would have happened quite naturally in an attempt at counterbalance, so that they would have felt stronger and more empowered through an osmosing of each other's creative energy. Chloe and Shaw were essentially isolated from meaningful interaction with their peers (they both have Aquarius on the 7th and Uranus in Pisces in the 8th), so that void also would have been filled through each other.
In order to recover one of the skipped steps between them, Shaw must learn that his own compulsive desires for attention in order to feel secure (his Pluto/Moon Sag in her 5th, his south node in Scorpio, her 4th) are co-generating the "unwanted" attention from his sister. He may feel he wants to move on, but the emotional dependence he has had on his sister in the past has not yet been fully resolved. These two are like mirrors of each other. His own compulsive need for attention is actually generating that very thing in the presence of his sister. Deep introspection relative to his emotional dependencies might help bring into consciousness his own desires which hopefully would help him accept responsibility for unconscious projections. They are, in effect, projecting on to each other in a way that is unrealistic and an illusion.
Shaw has an inner void (Moon 6th, Jupiter/Virgo 2nd) and does not really know who he is (also indicated by that new phase conjunction between Pluto/Moon/Sag/5th/6th - more instinctual than not.) His parents did not provide the emotional support and encouragement a child naturally needs, so, in projecting those needs outward into the world will become, outwardly at least, what others want him to become in order to get the attention he needs. He will also initiate relationships with others, presenting himself as something he is not, in order to manipulate people to get what he wants. He will also have equally unrealistic expectation of others. This would of course be unconscious.
Chloe and Shaw will continue to be together in future lives until they both learn to find their own inner creativity and inner security that is unique to themselves, and to encourage that within each other, as separate individuals, and to not be dependent on each other, and especially not to be competitive with each other, respecting the creative needs and impulses of the other. This, in part, can be done through objective dialogue and giving each other the space they need to self-nurture and grow. In this way, they can continue on their own individual paths individually and together.
I think that sometime in the future, they will have to complete and bring to resolution the karma they have with the baby they created together.
Thanks for all the comments people have already made, and I used them in forming this analysis. Hopefully some of this is close to the truth.....DDD
Hi DDD,
Thanks for taking the time to contribute. Your EA reasoning is very sound, and accurate. The only exception is when you said about Shaw being what others want him to be in order to get the attention his needs. Just the opposite has been and is true about his Soul: being fully aware of himself, nationalistically so, to the point of projecting himself into the realities of others in that way. A kind of take it or leave it attitude and orientation to life.
Other than that good work DDD.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
thanks for your comments. Through Neptune in his 7th in Aquarius square the nodes, I was thinking he manufactured a people-pleasing self in order to get attention (even playing the victim). But from what you said, am I correct in understanding that through his complete identification with the stature of his family of birth (south node Scorpio 4th ruled by Pluto 5th conjunct Moon Sag) he has used this as a means to justify his superior attitude when interacting with others? (being fully aware of himself, nationalistically so, as indicated in part by his Sun in Taurus (11th) conjunct the North Node in Taurus in the 10th House inconjunct his Pluto/Moon conjunction in Sag in the 5th? Have I got that right? Thanks as always. DDD
Hi DDD,
Yes !
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
I'm sorry for not answering earlier, as i missed your question from yesterday's post.
At this point i'll also be focusing on what is being said and following from there.
Thank you,
Helena
Thanks Rad for your teachings
So grateful for this forum There is still so much to learn., and I truly appreciate this opportunity.
So one simple example when you look at Shaw's chart overlaid on top of her chart we can see how she wanted to be rescued by him that was fueled by how her soul took his soul into hers.
I have to admit I don't know what you are talking about when you say she took his soul into hers... I can't find it in the EA glossary ;D Is it okay to ask for further explanation? Especially as it relates to these two and what that looks like astrologically?
Tashi
Hi Tashi,
This means just like a mother would take into her soul a newborn child. It's like a puddle of water on the counter that you put a sponge on, and that sponge totally absorbs the water. I have no idea where this would be in the glossary.
Review all that has been written to date so you can see the symbolism for this in her Soul to his starting with her S.Nodes of Mars and Mercury on his Sun and Vesta, her S.Node of Venus in his 5th: all in Scorpio.
God Bless, Rad
All,
We will now be taking a little break for the holidays. When we resume we will pick up exactly where we have left off: a review of the key skipped steps relative to Chloe's relationship to Shaw. After that we will be working with their composite chart, and the skipped steps symbolized there.
From me to all of you who have been contributing to this thread have a HAPPY HOLIDAY.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad and all the participants on the MB,
Thank you, my best wishes for All!
Helena
Best wishes from MN, as well! Out here for Christmas, then flying back to Berkeley. Cold, cold, cold, but I'm grateful for the hearth of the EA Message Board.
Cheers, Edward
Happy Holidays Everyone!
All the best
Hi Everyone,
Look forward to learning more after the break...
Heather
Ahhhh I see. I understand....Thanks And Yes, I will do a deep review as you suggest......
Happy Holidays to you and all.
Happy and Peaceful Holidays to everyone on the MB :) DDD
Hi All,
We will start again in the next couple of days.
God Bless, Rad
I'm trying to understand the impetus of this study - is it on-track, side-tracked, or skip-tracked?
This is from page 9, post 121:
QuoteThe mother has become desperate in her attempt to understand where this is coming from and why. It has created an incredible amount of stress within the family unit, the younger sister adores her brother and can't seem to leave him alone, she can't get close enough, while he wants nothing to do with her, in fact, is quite cruel toward her with his words and his energy.
Does the analysis provide some practical remedy for the situation?
How does the mother's chart complement or conflict with the remedy?
Fundamentally, an absence of trust can foster dysfunction.
How can the family strive to promote trust within their polarities at play?
May we find remedies for our dysfunctions.
The impetus of this thread is understanding skipped steps in EA. That's why the title to this thread says skipped steps. How to identify, understand, and resolve them. And this is exactly what we have been doing relative to the skipped steps between the brother and sister. And those resolutions between them have been identified and communicated to them, and their mother by Kristin. And those resolutions have in fact been working to date.
Hi All,
So here is a summary of how Chloe has taken in, through synastry, Shaw and his skipped steps in general, and with her specifically.
Mars in Leo squaring Shaw's S and N Nodes from the 4th to the 10th:
A. Competing with him to be the center of attention in all things including the family structure of birth fro all the reasons we have identified thus far.
B. Desiring to be his whole universe: to fill him up with her. Thus, needing to be in his space all the time. His need is for his own space which then causes her to feel insecure, abandoned, betrayed, and taken for granted. By not given him his space relative to needing to be the center of his universe causes resentment and anger in him, and the resulting judgments and projections of beliefs about her onto her. Taking him in in this way then causes her to feel confused and wondering why this is happening because she loves him unconditionally. Combined this then creates trauma in the family of birth in this life as the current life parents try to deal with this. Thus, the current life resolution of the skipped steps from her to him is about giving him the space that he needs by objectively understanding that that is simply what he needs for who he is.
C. A absolute infatuation with his soul based on her seeing his soul as a soul which has blinded her to his actual egocentric realties created in other lives. Thus,the current life need to understand him as he actually is: his egocentric realities and the reasons for that reality as she becomes ever older.
D. She has been absolutely sexually attracted to his soul in other lives in the context of being siblings that caused cataclysmic trauma because of the pregnancy that occurred. This lead to an early life ending for her at his hands. As she becomes ever older in the current life, and as their relationship progresses in this life, there will be many circumstantial triggers created by Shaw that will trigger or ignite her own anger at him. When this happens that anger, when ignited, can consume her and will seem disproportionate to whatever the nature of the circumstance is caused by Shaw.
This disproportionate reaction signals the skipped step she has with him that must be resolved in the current life. As she becomes older that resolution must manifest by her asking (1) why does he make me so angry (2) what is the best way to work out my anger at him (3) how do I understand and work out my sexual attraction to him even though he is my brother. These resolutions can only occur by way of her accepting the responsibility in her own actions, and the inner dynamics within her that are the cause of those actions.
South and North Nodes in her 12th/6th squaring his Mercury in Aries in her 9, with that Mercury in opposition to her Venus and Mercury in Libra in her 3rd, and 4th Houses.
A. The past life dynamics wherein she experienced him projecting all kinds of negative beliefs and judgments about her, negative and accusatory in nature, blaming her for that which he was responsible for, the anger within this, telling her what to believe and think about anything, to oppose her own ideas and understanding of anything, that caused tremendous crisis for her relative to her unconditional love for him: "˜if i love him so much how can he say and do these things to me' ?.
And this alternating with other cycles within him in which he would say and manifest himself totally differently towards her in which she felt loved, accepted, encouraged, and sheltered by him.
Confusion would be the result for her that would have lead to her never really knowing where he would be within himself at any point in time leading to the feeling of walking on eggshells around him.
B. None of this is resolved due to the skipped steps that occurred in the last life together in which her life ended at his hands. Thus,repeating the relationship as siblings, family, in the current life in order for those skipped steps to be recovered.
C. With her Venus and Mercury in opposition to his Mercury that is squaring her Nodal Axis, her own Venus, Mercury squaring her own nodal axis, this means that each of them must learn now to listen to one another so that each can actually understand the actual reality of one another. In so doing, they will then both learn how to give to one another what each actually needs at any moment in time. In this way they will evolve into a state of balance with each other versus the prior cycle of extremes.
If any of you have questions about this please ask now. We will start the final step in the skipped steps between Shaw and Chloe via their composite chart soon.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Thank you Rad for the breakdown of the skipped step dynamics between Chloe and Shaw.
Heather
Rad, thanks for the explanation of the skipped steps. One thing I am wondering about - how come Chloe does not have an instinctive fear response towards her brother since he terminated her life in the past? Does her infatuation with him override her survival instinct?
Hi DDD,
Yes, her Soul simply has loved him so much that the very nature of that unconditional love overrides the soul memory of her life be taken at his hands. Within this there is a dynamic within her, a dynamic of masochism symbolized by her Saturn in Virgo, the ruler of her 6th House N.node, in her 2nd in opposition to her Uranus in Pisces in her 8th, the ruler of that being Neptune in Aquarius in her 7th conjunct her Moon, Chiron, etc, which is Shaw's on Neptune which is the skipped step planet for him.
This dynamic of masochism has thus caused her to blame herself for all that has taken place. When we get into the composite chart, with Pluto squaring the Nodes wherein the S.Node in Virgo, we will develop this more.
God Bless, Rad
Rad, OK, got it. Thanks for the answer. When I read your description a couple of days ago, the words "unconditional love" really struck a chord in me, and I decided to review their charts with that new information. But I got sidetracked, spaced it out, and failed to make the connection which is why I asked the question about her fearing him. In addition to the masochism dynamic, now it makes sense. DDD
hello, thank your for the opportunity to respond.
Shaw's Mercury in Aries squares Chloes' nodal axis in Cancer/Capricorn, in her 9th house. (I believe Rad inferred that Chloes' arrival on-the-scene would force the evolutionary intent between them this lifetime.)
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
This is what I see:
Shaw has convinced his conscious mind that he was not complicit in past life dealings / dynamics. He has become "˜disassociated' toward Chloe, on a soul level, convincing himself that she did not matter or that she manipulated him in some way so that he did not have any CHOICE in past life matters, but to do what he did. This might help explain why he appears to be "˜disaffected' by her.
Shaw, in an attempt to survive and cope, has convinced himself that he is the one who has been hurt, who needs sympathy. He has convinced himself (Chiron in Capricorn in her 6th) that he is the victim here, and needs attention and sympathy. (His Saturn in Cancer in her 12th house) perhaps due to his own maternal woundings or feelins of emotional abandonment.
With Shaws' Neptune (skipped step) on Chloes' 'Jupiter moon', there would be trepidation, on her part, toward reaching out to him, because long-term memory would be triggered each time, but this signature is on her 7th house cusp, which I believe suggests 2 steps forward, and 1 step backward(?) She may fall into old patterns of 'walling off' her emotional self due to traumatic memory, but Shaws' Neptune is 'new phase' to her No. Node, suggesting new opportunities for spiritual growth and understanding.
Stemming from his own damaged childhoods, in the past, he has a rather distorted need for attention. He has been able, over lifetimes, to somehow qualify his actions and reactions to others by somehow explaining them himself (his Mercury) that he is not completly responsible for them.
Shaws' Neptune square his nodes in the 4th and 10th houses - eluding the truth of their familial past. His Neptune in Aquarius is in her 7th house, conjunct her moon, conjunct Jupiter. He has so reinforced the belief that he is somehow not responsible for past actions, again, "˜disassociated' himself from past trauma, and a child that he fathered.
Over time, Shaw has somehow managed to mentally justify his actions and conscience on a surface level, as a coping mechanism. He may feel, somehow entitled, to regard himself differently than his lower "˜class' (female) sister.
This is a subconscious (soul) issue that he has so justified to himself and re-inforced in past life-times, that it has carried over into the present lifetime
He has mastered the art of emotional "˜stuffing' (Saturn in Cancer in her 12th house), but his subliminal responses will get the better of him as both siblings mature and continue to encounter and question their earthly karma (Saturn ruling the 6th house of this synastic chart).
With Chloe coming to realize some personal authority and autonomy, this lifetime, (No. Node in Capricorn in 6th) through personal growth, maturity and introspection, and as she continuously reaches out to him, at some point, the dam is going to break, and all those emotions will come spilling out, affecting them both.
At some point, Shaw simply needs to forgive himself (No. node in Taurus, conjunct his sun at 29 Taurus.) This is what he came back to recognize and to do and communicate to himself (his Mars desire in Cancer conjunct No. Node ruler Venus in Gemini) - make new pathways in his brain which would certainly spark her inner-knowingness and truth.
With Shaw's resolution node in Chloe's 4th house, conjunct her sun, in Scorpio, her very presence will force the issues. His So. Node is waning from his Neptune skipped step. Perhaps he will have an awakening on a soul level that the child involved in this situation has already forgiven him (Pluto moon in her 5th house, conjunct her Pluto may show a mutual desire to find higher purpose and meaning, this lifetime, and realize their mutual parents, and the parents of the child to be "˜Father/Mother God'.)
I believe this signature of mutual awakening to a higher spiritual understanding, for both siblings, is repeated with Shaws' Saturn in Cancer on the cusp of Chloes' house of ultimate meaning and relationship with Creator.
This 'Pluto moon' of Shaws', in Chloes' 5th, conjunct her Pluto seems to speak, not only to a child created, but the child inside both of them that is so much affected by the CHOICES they can now make to affect and heal their respective pasts, and come to the realization (Shaws' moon in Sagittarius, and Chloes' "˜Jupiter moon' in Aquarius that the child that was created between them in another life can teach both siblings, on a soul level, how to forgive themselves and come to believe in themselves wholly - as unfragmented beings, worthy of forgiveness and compassion (Shaws' Jupiter in Virgo on Chloes' 2nd house cusp), no matter what shame or self denial they may have carried to this life.
thanks all for your teaching / comments.
Hi Marty,
First, thanks for taking the time to contribute. Second, the segment we have just concluded deals with Chloe not Shaw. However, what you have stated as general dynamics between them are more or less accurate with the exception of this:
" With Shaws' Neptune (skipped step) on Chloes' 'Jupiter moon', there would be trepidation, on her part, toward reaching out to him, because long-term memory would be triggered each time, but this signature is on her 7th house cusp, which I believe suggests 2 steps forward, and 1 step backward(?) She may fall into old patterns of 'walling off' her emotional self due to traumatic memory, but Shaws' Neptune is 'new phase' to her No. Node, suggesting new opportunities for spiritual growth and understanding."
Her Soul has had, and has, an unconditional love towards Shaw because of her knowing of his Soul more than the egocentric realities that his Soul have created. This indeed is one of her own skipped steps towards him: to see and understand him exactly as he is, and for the reasons he is, and has been, that way. Within this, as stated before, she has blamed herself for all that has occurred between them: the underlying pathology of masochism defined by her own inner sense of guilt. Thus, there is no 'trepidation' on her part towards reaching out to him. Just the opposite: she wants to be all over him, all the time. And, that indeed, is one of the issue that Shaw stated that Kristin shared with us in the context of this life.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Just an update from me - slow progress because of the holiday break. I have had a small chance to start reading through the synastries but could be 3 to 5 days away from posting anything. However as usual I will fit in with whatever is happening ...
Happy New Year everyone ~
blessings Upasika
Hi Upasika,
Thanks for the update. We will be progressing to the next step which will be the composite chart between Chloe and Shaw in the next couple of days.
God Bless, Rad
thank you Rad,
for your explanations and patience. I would like to ask about Shaws' Neptune (his skipped step) being in Chloes' 7th house, in Aquarius, conjunct her 'Jupiter moon'.
If my question is out of context - please let me know, but I'm very curious if this is a signature of her tendency to put others before her (even in a sibling relationship), and make them into a sort of God figure, and put them on a pedestal?
Of course, she has Neptune in her 7th, as well, conjunct her Chiron - all in Aquarius, does this suggest the opportunity, this lifetime, for her to begin to objectify and address the past unresolved trauma between them?
But if Neptune is Shaws' skipped step (which he may awaken to this lifetime) may his awakening propel her memory and spiritual evolution (her Uranus in Neptune in the 8th)?
Is she learning to not project and not be co-dependent on others, and to rely on herself? (Shawn' Jupiter in Virgo on her 2nd house cusp seems to reinforce that), also her 2nd house ruler is Shaws' Mercury in her 9th, which seems to repeat the theme of creating new belief systems and patterns in the brain.
My big question is how does Shaws' Neptune in Chloes' 7th house differ from Chloes' Neptune in Shaws' 7th house? Is it a matter of both of them having the opportunity to objectify and address prior life trauma that had been so repressed on a soul level?
I really appreciate your time and dedication to us. And to all the other moderators and contributors - you are greatly valued. Peace to all - marty
Hi Marty,
Every question you are asking has already been addressed: answered. Please review everything that has been posted. If, for some reason, you still have these questions please let me know.
God Bless, Rad
Everyone,
This is Rad's assistant writing to let you know that Rad has become quite ill. He will be back just as soon as he is able too.
Take care
Mary
Hi Rad,
just want to send my best wishes for a fast recovery.
Looking forward to see you back in the MB.
All the Best,
Helena
Mary, Thanks for the update on Rad. Sending Best Wishes for a fast recovery. DDD
Hi Rad,
I'm concerned to hear that you have become quite ill. Sending you healing wishes and hope you have a quick recovery.
blessings Upasika
Best wishes, Rad. You're in my thoughts and prayers.
Edward
Sending healing , hope you will be back soon Rad.
Maya
My best wishes and prayers for Rad's fast recovering
God Bless
Mirta
to Rad,
may the healing power of high animal spirits rush to you and minister to you.
aho! marty
I have just come back after holidays. So sorry to hear that Rad is ill. I will send healing prayers.
Much love
Happy New Year and blessings to all.
Tashi
My prayer for faster recovery and good health
Sree
Hey,
I want to thank all of your for your well wishes, and for your patience while the physical form healed up.
God Bless, Rad
All,
We will resume our work on the skipped steps between Shaw and Chloe very soon: the next couple of days or so. Our next step will be the last step we examine between them: their composite chart.
Remember composite charts correlate to two people who form a relationship together, a unit, the sense of "˜usness', to work on the individual dynamics within themselves, and between them, with the common purpose to to do. The composite chart thus correlates to how they have made a choice to do just that: together. The archetypes and dynamics that are symbolize in the composite chart correlate to how they have gone about that before, were it stands now, and where it is headed as long as the two souls remained committed to their relationship together.
The key idea to remember is that the house and sign position of the composite chart Pluto correlates to what the evolutionary intention and the mutual desires of two people were prior to this life. As a result, the house and sign position of the composite Pluto will describe not only the recent core dynamics, but also where the relationship was left off, and consequently the point at which the couple picks up and starts their relationship again.
The polarity point, by house and sign, that falls 180° from the composite Pluto will correlate to what the current evolutionary intentions or reasons are for the relationship. It defines the ongoing evolutionary development and progression of the relationship.
The South Node by house, sign, location of it's planetary ruler by house, sign, and aspects to it correlate to egocentric structure, the combined ego of each, the 'usness', of how the two have gone about actualizing those evolutionary intentions before. The North Node by house, sign, and the location of it's planetary ruler by house, sign, and aspects to it correlate to how the polarity point of Pluto is actualized in the context of the current life.
Shaw and Chloe have their combined Pluto squaring their combined Nodal Axis: the skipped steps WITHIN THEIR RELATIONSHIP TOGETHER AS A UNIT.
Right now I am posting their composite chart so that you can begin to reflect on all that we have discussed to date relative to their own individual skipped steps, how those individual skipped steps have impacted each as individuals, and now the composite chart that symbolizes the relationship together as a unit that is continuing to evolve. Remember we all pick up were we left off in any given life as individuals. So too with other Souls in which we have made a choice to be in RELATIONSHIP TOGETHER WITH A SHARED PURPOSE TO BE IN THAT RELATIONSHIP.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Rad a very warm and happy welcome back to health from me :)
Heather
Hi Rad,
so nice to hear back from. Wishes for a good recovery and thank you so much for your effort in posting and teaching.
As soon as i have a moment i'll catch up and see better the last post on composite and reflect on it.
All Best,
Helena
Hi Rad, I hope you keep getting better with each passing day.
Is it okay to begin our interpretations of the composite chart? If so, I'd like to start with composite Pluto in Sagittarius, in the 5th.
It seems, that on a relationship level, that the two have been dealing with patriarchal belief systems and conditioned ideas of who is "˜entitled' to privilege (in their past-life societies) and who is not, by virtue of gender, status, patriarchal birth-right or order.
These out-moded belief systems would propel them to mutually realize a new way of thinking, outside of the hierarchical box, this lifetime. This renewing of the mind (Pluto polarity point) would give them the opportunity to see each other as they truly are - as unique and individual souls, both equal in the eyes of Creator (11th house Pluto polarity, and No. Node in Pisces).
I think some of the key words for the 11th house were to detach, objectify and liberate, if I'm not mistaken. By being born into mutual circumstances, with parents who love them both equally, they have the opportunity to realize, identify and shed any past-life guilt, resentment, remorse or self-sabotage that they may have brought into the current life. Then they would have each other as a mirror to reaffirm these new realizations (Gemini).
The ruler of Pluto is in the 5th house, as well, in Scorpio which seems to suggest a past need to "˜convince and convert' themselves (and others) to an old way of believing in guilt and punishment. Jupiter in Scorpio in the 5th is certainly wanting to rise above this old way of thinking and "˜break the mold', so to speak.
However subliminal, their shared past memory should be able to reinforce the need in each other to break free of the very subjective belief in taboos that they may have brought into this lifetime.
And, yes, Pluto squares the nodes in Virgo / Pisces which seems to suggest, that through relationship, and a higher spiritual understanding (as they mature), that they will begin to liberate from past guilt and distorted thinking to accept each other just as they are.
The North Node is in the house of all societal and religious taboos, in the sign of unconditional acceptance. They have a lot to mirror to each other, and the capacity to become deep wells of healing wisdom to others as they purge themselves of out-dated beliefs and encourage others to use their full creative intellect and not stay stuck in highly subjective, worldly concerns.
The node to consistently integrate would be the So. Node in Virgo, 2nd house - to perhaps begin to realize that their, combined, past guilt or inferiority issues were only a vehicle for their very survival in those times, and that they can find renewal through self-forgiveness and self-love (that they both have the power within themselves to renew themselves and that this doesn't have to come from an outside source.)
Thanks for the opportunity Rad - it's good to have your voice back.
Hi Marty,
You are jumping the gun. Thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment. The focus of this segment, relative to all we have thus far discussed, are the specific skipped steps in their ongoing relationship to one another.
Tomorrow, the 11th, I will be writing how to proceed with this next segment. Within that I will offer an example of one of the specific skipped steps within their ongoing relationship that can then be used as a steeping stone for others to use in their own EA analysis of those skipped steps within the relationship of Chloe and Shaw.
I am needing to slow down a little right now because of an ongoing health issue. Sorry for that.
God Bless, Rad
To Rad and all,
waves of peace and healing gratitude...
- marty
Hi Rad, welcome back! Just want to let everyone know I am currently working on Shaw/Chloe composite and will post something later today or tomorrow am. DDD
All,
So let's now do an EA analysis of the composite chart between Chloe and Shaw that focuses on the skipped steps in their relationship together that reflects their own individual soul signatures, their natal charts, the individual skipped steps within those that we have discussed, how those individual skipped steps affected each as individuals as they related to each other as individuals, the synastry charts, and now as a unit, the 'we' of that relationship, the skipped steps that exist within that relationship with one another symbolized in their composite chart.
Those skipped steps are symbolized by Pluto in Sagittarius in the 5th House squaring the S.Node in Virgo in the 2nd which is also conjunct Ceres, which is then ruled by Mercury in Capricorn in the 6th which is conjunct the Moon, and both of these are opposed Mars in Cancer in the 12th. Pluto is also square the N.Node in Pisces in the 8th which is conjunct Uranus, and these are ruled by Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th which is opposed by Venus, Saturn, and the Sun in Leo in the 1st House.
So let's make a simple example.
Given all that we have discussed before we can then see in their composite, the relationship as a unit, we instead of I, that the their 5th House Pluto, their combined Soul, so to speak, has manifested in this way:
The deepest and most active archetype with Pluto in the composite Fifth House or Leo is one of creative self-actualization of the purposes and reasons for the relationship. This placement will correlate to a couple who has had a mutual desire to focus on the reasons and purposes that have brought them together, and to actualize those reasons and purposes as fully as possible. The purposes and reasons for the relationship can he determined through the polarity point of Pluto and the aspects that it is making to other planets, the placement of the North and South Nodes by house and sign, the placement of the planetary rulers by house and sign placement, and the aspects that these planets are making to other planets within the composite chart. This is true in all composite charts, but a couple with the composite Pluto in Leo or the Fifth House will have combined desires to specifically focus on these purposes and reasons in order to consciously actualize them in the fullest possible way.
Through this focus, the couple creates a deep sense of the power of purpose. Within the overall purpose for the relationship, each partner will also have strong desires and needs for individual creative actualization of their own purposes. Thus, each partner will also be very strong-willed and inwardly directed to actualize their own life purposes within the context of the relationship. Because of this, each partner will help the other in varying degrees to focus on what those purposes are, and to provide positive motivation in the actualization of those purposes. As each is able to actualize those purposes, the relationship gains ever-deeper degrees of power and purpose. This dual focus of individual creative self-actualization and the creative actualization of the purposes and reasons for the relationship creates a deep sense of "specialness" within the relationship.
This is quite interesting in evolutionary terms, because it commonly reflects two people who have felt deeply insecure and powerless in relatively recent prior lifetimes. In the most recent of prior lifetimes, each has had the desire and need to discover and actualize personal power through creative self-actualization of their individual purposes as a reaction to those other lives. Through the formation of a relationship, each has helped the other to self-actualize, which, in turn, has empowered the relationship to focus on and actualize its purpose. In other words, through the creation of the relationship each has found it easier to actualize their own individual purposes and reasons for being. The relationship has thus generated not only the sense of personal power, but also inner security.
Because each has had an evolutionary need to counteract the lifetimes of feeling powerless and insecure, each will have a desire and need for the other to provide support for each of their efforts relative to self-development. Encouragement and positive feedback will create and re-create the need and desire for security and personal power. This desire and need can be quite compulsive because of the depth of insecurity that exists in each of them. The depth of the compulsion can be such that it can create real power struggles in the relationship regarding who is more important, whose needs are more intense, and, as a result, whose will is going to dominate. Just as the Sun is the center of our solar system, composite Pluto in Leo or the Fifth House can create a situation in which each partner feels that they are the center of the relationship. And just as all the planets revolve around the Sun, each partner can feel that the relationship revolves around them-that the relationship is only there to support their own specific purposes and overall life needs. When this is the operative dynamic, confrontations will occur in order to create the realization that each is as special as the other, and that each partner's needs for self-empowerment, self-actualization, and validation are equally important and valuable.
(The above is an extract from JWG's book on relationships, and his 2nd book on Pluto)
This process together has manifested as siblings in the context of various families of birth wherein they have had the same fathers, but different mothers. Such families had a father who was very dominant, narcissistic, and held various positions of power, status, and wealth in those lives. Such fathers were so dominate and dictatorial that neither of them ever felt love or acceptance from him. They felt together that they were in a survival situation which is symbolized the the 2nd House S.Node with Ceres: surviving the crisis of the father as he related to them. With the S.Node ruler being Mercury in Cap conjunct the Moon in the 6th, opposed the Mars in Cancer in the 12th, we can see the symbolism for this kind of father, and the impact upon them. With Ceres on that S.Node we can also see that each of them experienced the loss of their own mothers as the father involved himself with different women.
As a result they typically would hole up together which of course generated a high degree of proximity: like being together all the time. With the 2nd House in mind we can also see, in this context, that the very 'meaning' that they gave their relationship together was one of surviving together: the 'we', the egocentric center of the relationship. We can also see the archetypal seed of being sexual together that was ignited because of this proximity caused by the need to survive the reality caused by the fathers.
Yet because of their ages in those lives, and given the nature of the realities caused by the fathers, they were also relatively psychologically and emotionally stunted: not fully developed. This is symbolized by that same Moon/Mercury conjunction in the 6th opposed by that Mars in Cancer in the 12th. In essence, because of their ages and circumstances that did not allow them to fully understand or know each other in the context of their relationship: it was limited.
With the N.Node in Pisces in the 8th conjunct Uranus, squaring the 5th House Pluto, we can now also see the symbolism of the pregnancy that we have discussed before that lead to the event of Shaw taking Chloes life because of: and the unborn baby as well. In other words it was the 8th House 'shock', a cataclysmic shock, that caused Shaw to do such a thing in the context of that life: the overall reality of it created by the father. He had absolute fear because of this. He opposed it due to his own needs for survival.
That was the very last life that they shared. A sudden ending: Uranus in Pisces in the 8th conjunct the N.Node ruled by that Neptune in Aquarius, trauma, that is opposed the Venus and Saturn in Leo in the 1st.
That sudden ending is thus the caused, the determinant, of the skipped step leading exactly to this life wherein the nature of that skipped step is to fully understand, through objectifying each other in the context of their relationship, the reality of each of them so that they relationship can continue to evolve and grow in the current life. Thus, they will need to learn to listen to each other in their relationship in order to give to that relationship WHAT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED in order to evolve. This need to objectify is of course also symbolized the the polarity point of their 5th House Pluto: the 11th House.
So this is a simple example that demonstrated the EA process of understanding the skipped steps in our composite charts.
What I would like those who are participating in our thread to now do is present your own evaluations of the skipped steps in the composite chart between Chloe and Shaw.
If you have any questions please ask them of me now.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
We have all now come to a deep understanding of Chloe and Shaw's individual charts and when looking at the composite chart of their relationship as a unit you can see that it is a perfect picture of all that they have shared together. The repeating themes and dynamics in the composite mimics the ones that Chloe and Shaw each individually have as well as the combination of dynamics between them. The first thing my mind gravitated to when I was looking at all their charts when first posted was that Ceres being so strongly placed in all the charts as well as being in conjunction to the South Node in Virgo in the 2nd in the composite chart. I felt deeply that Ceres was part of this traumatic story in some way and is now part of the skipped step dynamic between them that they are ultimately trying to work through. We have come to understand now how Ceres links the chart dynamics to a baby they created as well as to the loss of mothers. I am going to try now to summarize what I feel those dynamics to be, please bare with me I am having a very difficult time even being able to write, my thoughts are very disconnected and all over the place recently. I must be going through massive changes in my mental orientations, hopefully to a better holistic synthesis of thought processes. In the mean time this has been extremely difficult for me to deal with.
Pluto in Sag in the 5th Square to the South Node conjunct Ceres in Virgo in the 2nd and the North Node Conjunct Uranus in Pisces in the 8th. Ruler of the South Node Mercury conjunct the Moon in the 6th oppose Mars in Cancer in the 12th. South Node of Pluto is conjunct the Mercury and Moon in the 6th and oppose Mars in the 12th.
This dynamic is one that has not been fully worked out between them and so in this life this is where they are picking back up again. What I am feeling about that Pluto in Sag in the 5th in a skipped step to the Nodes is that this is about a complete metamorphoses of their beliefs, beliefs about themselves and each other as well as the beliefs of what the ultimate meaning is for this relationship between them. I feel that is really strong here in this association with Jupiter in Scorpio in the 5th, Pluto being in Sag ruled by Jupiter and Jupiter being in Scorpio that is ruled by Pluto. This is about piercing deeply into the absolute truth of the past association and the reasons for the continued association between them. What is the truth of their association and where are they coming from, this can be seen by going back to that South Node in Virgo conjunct Ceres in the 2nd. This is about the past Crisis together and how those past Crisis are spilling over into this association between them now. It revolves around their deepest unconscious need for security and how the lack of that internal security is effecting them deeply and hence the relationship. You would think right away well yes of course the traumas are about the relationship they shared and the child they created as well as the tragic ending that happened and it is but it goes much deeper than that. This really is about the deep insecurity in each of them revolving around the early life parenting conditions and the deep and painful lack they feel there. This is about the traumas they share together over having fathers that were deeply damaging to their self esteem where there personal authority is now deeply damaged and how they are compensating for that. Ruler of the South Node Mercury conjunct the Moon in Capricorn in the 6th oppose Mars in Cancer in the 12th. This is about, like Rad shared, the Mothers that were torn from them and because of their Father how they were forced to "survive". This is about a shared commonality or shared wounds because of past life Fathers where instead of projecting that wounding onto each other they should be creating a healing bond because of the wounds they share. This is about something deeper in both of them that they share together because of these Fathers and this is the ultimate meaning for the association but getting to the ultimate meaning will take a total metamorphoses of those painful places deep with in them, an absolute honest evaluation of the emotional truth they share. I feel that their deepest issue and this goes back to the resolution Node being the south node in Virgo in the 2nd is a about a deep Guilt that permeates this association, a Guilt that has become distorted a Guilt that perpetuates the need for Crisis or a Guilt that is getting in the way of perceiving the ultimate truth about there relationship. I have in my own experiences in life come to understand deeply what happens when a deep permeating Guilt is distorted and how it can effect people and create the opposite of what you would think would be the best way for that Guilt to be dissolved. What I mean by this is that I have come to understand that instead of a person naturally feeling a need to atone and make things right with other they feel Guilt towards they will actually do the opposite and project absolute crap onto that person instead. Maybe as a way for the person not to own what they have done, own there responsibility in it all and when that happens the distortions of not owning it can be truly even more sadistic then the original transgression. Its taken me 42 years to come to understand this fully. When it comes to this association between Chloe and Shaw I feel this is about each one of them learning to be there own nurturer they are learning the deep and painful Ultimate truth in there evolutionary journey and they are learning it through the damaged past parenting functions and they are learning it together where they have repeatedly come back together to do just that, to have someone to go through this with, they are not alone in this, The Natural God has a plan for them together.
The real issue here is about the damaged past life parenting functions and how these have affected them and how it brought them together but ultimately they projected that damaged need for nurturing onto each other just as much as they have been there for each other they also ended up hurting each other. This is about how they cant see themselves clearly and this deep lack they inherently feel is being projected outwards towards each other in dissociation to each others actual reality. In the end this created in this last life the deepest wound of all a wound that is creating a deep Guilt in each of them revolving around what is natural between them and what was not. There is a deep patriarchal guilt here in there association that really was not in transgression of Natural Law but because of the Guilt from Patriarchal conditioning the Ultimate transgression against Natural Law did in fact happen.
In the end the skipped steps revolve around a distancing that will create space for objectivity of the actual reality of each of them and the reality of each other. This can only happen when the cycles of the need to recreate Crisis based on the past life traumas come to an end. This is about peering into the Ultimate truth of the association one where they come to understand that together they have some sort of Special Destiny to fulfil as a unit and individually. You can see that this association is about absolute liberation of the Traumas that are actually preventing them from moving forward with there special destiny together. The North Node conjunct Uranus in Pisces in the 8th ruler of Uranus being Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th. Once again we have a mutual reception of rulerships and even more compelling is the fact that Neptune is in opposition to the Sun Saturn and Venus conjunction in Leo in the 1st. This ties back to the axis of Pluto in the 5th and Pluto's polarity point being in the 11th. Also this whole opposition is the Midpoint of a Yod Pattern involving the South Node in Virgo in the 2nd sextile to Mars in Caner in the 12 both Inconjunct Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th. This is a beautiful example of what the ultimate goals are in this association. This is about We not I this is about being a Team not in competition with each other this is about helping each other to succeed individually and together. A Liberation of this constant need to be seen a special to coming to see the specialness of each other and how they can be a powerhouse together and share that amazing creative energy they have with others. This is about going back to recovering the ultimate purpose for the association in the first place. It was one where they came together to help each other to heal each other to let go of Crisis to unconditionally love each other and the spaces they found themselves in.
In this association between them they have something to give back to the world a special purpose or destiny to share with others but it can only happen when they can come to a deeper security from with in each of them a liberation of the Crisis, Absolute Forgiveness for the past and then that can transform how they look at each other a metamorphose of the beliefs they have of each other as well as what their ultimate beliefs of the Universe. I feel this is especially true when you consider their evolutionary condition which I would gage as somewhere deep in the Individuated state. This is about finding the Natural God together and a liberating from anything that is preventing that. They have come together once again to get to the Ultimate truth of their existence and then Share that with the world.
"I hope you never lose your sense of wonder
You get your fill to eat but always keep that hunger
May you never take one single breath for granted
God forbid love ever leave you empty handed
I hope you still feel small when you stand beside the ocean
Whenever one door closes I hope one more opens
Promise me that you'll give faith a fighting chance
And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance"
"I Hope You Dance"
Heather
Pluto/Sag/5th House square South Node/Virgo/2nd, ruler Mercury conjunct Moon/6th, North Node/Pisces/8th, ruler Neptune/Aquarius/7th.
At a fundamental level, Chloe and Shaw have chosen to be together in this life, to pick up where they left off, in order to creatively actualize the reason for their relationship in a way that is as honest and truthful as possible. They have been learning to trust their intuition and to create a reality together where that truth and intuition is guiding their creativity. Letting go of fear based on unconscious memories will allow inspiration to infuse their relationship and creativity where personal limits can be transformed. The possibility of them them working together towards a mutually set goal will help channel their considerable talents which are not only inspired, but garnered over many lifetimes in this culture and others.
Up to the current life, one of the ways Chloe and Shaw have learned to relate to each other is based on unconscious memories of need, survival and crisis. This is where their relationship ended in a past life - the death of Chloe and their unborn baby suddenly at the hands of Shaw (North Node conjunct Uranus/Pisces/8th). In the past, because of the deep void left by a lack of love from parents, they have spent many lives together in a state of dependence on each other for emotional survival and even physical survival (South Node/Virgo/2nd conjunct Ceres). Being raised in families where an authoritarian parent was critical of them and where a lack of nurturing left a void, (Moon conjunct Mercury/Capricorn/6th opposed Mars/Cancer/12th) it would have been very natural for these two to provide that nurturing, encouragement and love for each other which would have guaranteed a relatively secure environment to sustain them both, and to try to minimize the wounds left by a lack of love from an overbearing and/or emotionally distant parent.
The wounds and abandonment issues contributing to this couple seeking solace with one another would have naturally led to a sexual relationship as a way for them to establish a consistent sense of security, something they could trust that would always be there. Because they could not trust or depend on anyone outside of their relationship, and needing to find a center of stability and consistency, each made the other the source of their needs - emotional, physical and psychological. They also penetrated the very spirit and soul of each other, resulting in a profound psychic connection. Coming into this life, one or both of them have a desire to break free from the past (North Node conjunct Uranus/Pisces 8th) and the resulting deep wounds, emotional, psychological and psychic. The wound related to the death of Chloe and the baby will be contributing to the compusive ways these two people relate to each other.
Because Shaw and Chloe were forced to rely on each other at a very young age, the natural maturing process would have been halted (Moon conjunct Mercury/Capricorn/6th). Instead of growing emotionally within themselves and towards each other, they would continue to relate to each other as children reflecting their own inner void (Mercury rules the South Node conjunct Ceres in Virgo/2nd House). If a child emotional maturation is slowed or halted, how can they ever find out who they really are? How can they relate to another if they don't know who they really are?
I think this is one of the core issues of the skipped step. They don't know how to relate to each other as separate, mature and unique individuals. Keeping in mind the deep well of creative energy within Chloe and Shaw, both as a couple and as separate people, in order to fully actualize those special gifts, they need to learn to grow up (ruler of resolution South Node/2nd is Mercury/Capricorn conjunct Moon/Capricorn 6th). There are practical ways to do this. A good start would be for Chloe and Shaw to make friends with each other and to talk to each other in an objective way, recognizing the value of restraint, honesty, sincerity and respect when in each other's company. (PP 11th House/Vesta in Gemini/11th). Finding the courage to be absolutely truthful with one another will be key to the healing process. This same respect and honesty should also be extended to include people and friends outside the family unit as much as possible.
Another artifact from the past family dynamics is the competitive nature of their relationship. Again, how can Chloe and Shaw move forward together with an objective appreciation of each other's unique and special gifts while they are competing with each other? Through honest self-examination, they can attempt to uncover and break free from at least one of the sources of that competitiveness, which is insecurity as a result of displaced emotions (North Node conjunct Uranus/Pisces trine Mars/Cancer 12th). A need to be recognized as special, more special than the other can be transmuted into an objective recognition of the other's special gifts and how those talents can be channelled constructively (Pluto 5th/Sag trine Saturn/Venus/Leo/1st, relative to PPP/11th/Taurus cusp) for the benefit and enjoyment of others.
Within their relationship, Chloe and Shaw will be working on their own personal skipped steps (unresolved issues) as well as the unresolved issues between them. That togetherness helps them with their own individual issues as well as helping each other and the relationship mature into a relationship that is ready to be integrated into society in an equal way (waning trine from Saturn/Venus conjunction in Leo/1st to Pluto/5th/Sag). There is the potential here for social recognition and relative fame in their chosen field of work. With these new phase conjunctions in Leo trine Pluto/5th/Sag, their work or performances will be fresh, inspired and unique. Each will grow at their own pace within this, but patience and persistence will be necessary to accomplish their growth together (Pluto/Sag/5th square South Node/Second/Virgo). Without patience and persistence, more crises could develop between them. A focus on the Creative Principle as individual, special, but different gifts will help them achieve autonomy. However, working together on creative ideas could produce results that would contribute to the lives of others and will be uniquely special. To do this, they will each have to recognize and accept the contribution of the other without feeling threatened. Or, if one does feel threatened, they should talk truthfully about what is going on within them to bring these feelings to the surface so that problems can be sorted out in the light of day, and not be held inside or hidden. Honesty, truthfulness and sincere discussion will promote the evolutionary intention of transmuting what has not always been such an honest relationship.
The old, compulsive ways of relating to each other also reflects their guilt, and that guilt will be related to their own parenting styles in the past as well as the death of Chloe and the child she was carrying. I can imagine it is not always appropriate to speak to clients in terms of what exactly happened in a past life, but in any case, forgiveness will be key to uncovering the truth of who they naturally are underneath all that guilt. Also relative to critical parents in the past, one or both need to accept that perfection itself is a tyrant and that the best we can do is the best of all.
At some point in the past, it's possible that Chloe, Shaw, or both, have made a promise to the other to always be there for the other. If that is the case, at some point, as a result of evolutionary necessity, they will need to accept that the promise is no longer necessary and that one or both of them are feeling held back, and it's time to move on. North Node conjunct Uranus/Pisces/8th square Pluto/Sag/5th).
Shaw and Chloe have much in the way of creative gifts to share, but they must let go of old, compulsive habit patterns, be prepared to cooperate, be friends, work together as equals and recognize the Divine in each other and the creativity that they can birth and bring into the world. DDD
Hi Heather,
Look at how far you have come ! Your EA work on the composite chart of Chloe and Shaw is excellent. And accurate. A big high five Heather.
BRAVO ...
God Bless, Rad
Hi DDD,
Simply excellent EA work DDD. Your diligence in this EA work had allowed you to really get it. Big high fives. Thank you for this wonderful contribution.
BRAVO !
God Bless, Rad
Dear Heather & DDD,
I am so impressed with the growth in both of you. This is a direct reflection of the efforts and strides you are making to deepen into this work. Way to go!!! Keep on going and growing. This work will continue to amaze you.
For those others who have been working on this thread, I also encourage you to post on the composite of Chloe and Shaw. It will help secure those final pieces within yourself and bring this assignment to completion.
Great work you two :)
Namaste,
Kristin
Rad and Kristin, thanks for taking the time to review our work, and special thanks for the encouragement. There is nothing like a tailwind to help with the journey. DDD
Hi Skywalker, Upasika, Edward, Priya, Helena, Tashi, Marty, and Sree ....
Please let me know if any of you will be contributing to the composite chart of Shaw and Chloe..
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Rad and Kristin thank you for the kind words and encouragement as well as taking the time to work with us here.
Heather
I will post either this evening or tomorrow. I've been following and thinking about the composite.
Cheers,
Edward
Dearest Rad, I will work on this and post tomorrow or latest Monday, foggy head cold permitting. Have been under the weather. Many thanks, Tashi
hi Rad, I hope you're feeling better,
here are some thoughts on the composite chart:
what really jumps out at me is their combined No. Node in Pisces, 8th house, conjunct Uranus. Certainly this would speak to a combined egocentric structure whose evolutionary intent is to receive deep revelation and personal epiphany on a soul level. It seems that there is hope to be very open to the messages of their individuated consciousness emanating from Father / Mother God.
they would also have the opportunity to re-address and confront the taboos and social moraes of past incarnations. It seems, that by each of them allowing themselves the freedom to seek Creator, in their own way, that they will strengthen their relationships to themselves, individually, and to the relationship as well. Cancer rules their 12th house of ultimate meaning, and with Mars there, they would have the desire to re-invent and re-define who their true parents are.
could their No. Node "sudden ending" signature in the 8th house - also point to a combined soul agreement to forgive themselves and each other in order to evolve through their mutual need to do so? This signature certainly seems like a signature of 'divine' reception.
they would have the opportunity, also, to realize that they are both a part of something so much greater than each individual (No. Node in Pisces in 8th), and that some of their continuing strength, on a soul-level will come as a recognition and acceptance of their vulnerabilities (Virgo).
with Pluto in Sagittarius, squaring the nodes, they are both developing new pathways in the brain (Pluto polarity point) to forgive and accept themselves, and each other for just who they are. They are learning to open their minds and psyches to the possibility of all new information and revelatory thought. They are learning not to believe what they have been taught, or what others believe, but to think for themselves.
the 5th house contains a passion for life. With Plutos' planetary ruler there (Jupiter in Scorpio) they share a mutual passion to inspire each other to expand their belief systems, and to keep expanding them "¦ and not repeat the victimization mindset of the past. In other words, to learn not to limit their thinking in order to strengthen the continuation of their souls' growth.
Gemini in the 11th house would symbolize unlimited possibilities to liberate the mind, and in this case, the highly subjective self. it would suggest unlimited possibilities to detach, define and liberate from Patriarchal, fear-based beliefs. (This is also seen in the Mercury/Moon signature conjunct Pluto and Saturns South Nodes in the 6th house.)
the So. Node is the resolution node - it is thru relationship, and sometimes the experience of 'sacrifice' (the loss and crisis symbolized by Ceres in Virgo) that we can come back stronger and learn to survive "¦ develop a stronger, broader immunity through the lessons of relationship.
the So Node forms a waning square to Pluto, suggesting that Patriarchal belief systems, hierarchical thinking, and fear situations of the past are being re-examined. They would have the opportunity, this lifetime, to re-examine a fear-based past in which it would no longer be necessary to sacrifice one life (or lives) for another and begin to realize that what really matters is our individual soul strength (5th house), and the strength that grows and matures through combined relationships.
Mercury in Capricorn is planetary ruler of the So. Node in the 6th house, which would speak to coming into form and matter, currently, in order to reach the realization, through the maturation process, that they can CHOOSE to take responsibility to live each moment to the fullest, rise above being the victim, and have the life experience of being their 'brothers' keeper'.
if they find strength through relationship and relating, this lifetime, they will get the skipped step on a soul level and never have to repeat it.
if we look at the planetary ruler of Capricorn - Saturn in Leo in 1st, conjunct their sun and combined purpose in life, it speaks to finding the initiative to evolve beyond their very subjective realities "¦ that they, and only they, are responsible for their own soul strength.
Saturn opposes Neptune in the 7th which suggests that they would have a tendency to see the other in either an elevated or delusional way, but as they mature, emotionally, hopefully they will come to accept each other for just who they are, and not project their own needs upon them, and that, ultimately, they can only 'save' themselves.
thanks for this opportunity - in spirit,
marty
Hi Marty,
Would you like to address the focus of this thread: skipped steps in the composite chart between Chloe and Shaw ?
God Bless, Rad
hi Rad,
yes, I will try to be more specific in addressing the skipped step between Chloe & Rad composite chart. Thank you.
in spirit,
marty
Hi Rad,
yes i would still like to contribute. I'm sorry if it goes a bit off time here, as my past days have been quite busy. I see if i can find the stillness to do so later today.
If you want to continue please do so, and i follow along.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Rad,
At the moment I just plan to follow along and still have to read what everyone has written about the synastry between them.
Thank you
All the best
I've got a full-day, so had to finish here. I've been able to sit in mediation 2-3 times daily, which I feel has helped my astrology practice immensely, especially working directly with others (just with friends and visitors to my Cafe at this point).
With Pluto in the 5th house, the couple has felt a powerlessness in the past, and an intention of the current partnership is to feel secure in a self-expression deeply rooted in natural law. Through Pluto's polarity in Gemini (11th), and Jupiter (Pluto's ruler) in Scorpio (5th), it's clear that growth emerges through integrating their relationship into the larger guise of their community via service over survival. The South Node is in Virgo (2nd, conj. Ceres), with its ruler Mercury in Capricorn (6th, balsamic Moon). A past life dynamic is an intense focus on the immediate needs of the relationship and any external event which may threatened that security. Mars in Cancer (12th) opposes the conjunction (6th), showing ambiguity in maternal figures, which emerge instead by nurturance through the trauma inspired by outside forces. However, the relationship's emotional state often paralleled the intensity of the traumatic experiences, causing Shaw and Chloe to project the same sort of energetic dynamic onto one another (like the taking of Chloe's life, mentioned by Rad). This lays the foundation for the immense need for self-awareness and individuation in the partnership between Chloe and Shaw today.
The North Node is in Pisces (8th, conj. Uranus), with its ruler, Neptune in Aquarius (7th, conj. Juno). These positions echo dynamics within each of their individual charts, implying an ultimate need to break free from the limitations of the partnership's self-contained spirituality based on the relationship itself. The "frog-in-the-well" dynamic of the 2nd house is going to be hesitant to reach outside of its own value-structure, yet growth comes through experiencing these forces from outside of the relationship (either shared by Chloe and Shaw, or independently and related back to one-another) through a sense of mindfulness, rather than the survival instinct alone. These houses of partnership, overlaid by Uranus, Neptune, and their ruling signs, again show the need to place the relationship in tandem with the larger whole, and develop a self-awareness of what is needed for growth and emotional sustenance through the way in which they relate to outside occurrences.
In the composite chart, Pluto is the skipped step, finding resolution in the South Node in Virgo. It's several degrees into a separating square, implying the completion of a lesson which has carried over from the past. Again, Pluto in Sagittarius the 5th is going to struggle feeling secure in its self-expression, with a drive to connect more fully to natural law. That self-expression is going to come from a talent for relaying the traumatic experiences of the past in a way which no-longer isolates Chloe and Shaw, but rather connects them more fully to the voices of others. Finding resolution in that South Node and it's ruler, Mercury, growth comes through the integration of the relationship's purpose into that larger whole. This is only possible with a direct understanding of what nurtures the relationship (and simultaneously what is draining), and what gives it value and meaning. Going back to the experience of feeling nurtured through outside forces, the relationship must become aware of how they are affected by these external factors, and how they sub-consciously reflect the various traumas through their own actions. The transformation thus becomes one of playing the victim (and acting accordingly through the relationship's expression, most likely toward one-another), into having such an immense self-awareness in response to these external forces that the two are able to accommodate their sense of expression to best utilize the energies from the outside.
Cheers,
Edward
RAD, So sorry head cold is still raging, just cannot think or write. I will try again tomorrow. Tashi
Hi Rad,
I am currently fully tied up on a work project, but will be able to post something in a few days time.
thanks Upasika
to Rad and all,
I'd like to try to be more specific about the skipped step in Chloe and Shaws' composite chart:
Skipped Step - Pluto in Sagittarius 5th house, to Pluto polarity point in Gemini in the 11th, is the evolutionary intent of Chloe and Shaws' relationship this lifetime. It points to the opportunity to choose to renew their minds, their mutual thought processes, in a way that they may begin to receive and interpret information vs. that which they have been taught to believe in the past. To question everything! (especially any self-denigrating "˜tapes' of the past born of Patriarchal conditioning.)
Their modes of processing their realities have been so reinforced, and their ways of thinking have come from such a personal level, again and again, that they have taken them in deeply, on a subjective, nearly subconscious level, due to past life circumstance. This reinforcement of helplessness, victim, or guilt mentality has affected more than one life experience together, and, indeed, affects their current mutual life-force and has permeated to a near belief that this is the 'truth' of their story (on a soul level).
It isn't their total truth. It is only part of their story (Pluto in Sagittarius in the 5th). As sure as their mutual life force continues (Pluto in the 5th), their story will continue to be written, and to evolve and transform (Pluto polarity in the 11th house). The possibilities for soul growth are infinite (polarity point in Gemini in 11th house) and it is through necessary confrontation, between the two of them, and their personal sphere, that they will remember mutual limitations (self doubt), and the possibilities of mutual transformation (renewal) between themselves.
It seems that they have been working on the knowledge and recognition of Natural Law, vs. Patriarchal belief systems prior to this lifetime. This seems to be reinforced by the ruler of Pluto in the 5th house, in mutual reception. It will take courage to pursue these inklings of enlightenment because the "˜victim' or "˜hopeless' mentalities have become so ingrained due to the need to survive in their past realities. It will take courage to learn to constantly challenge any and all pre-existing belief systems that they may encounter in order to awaken to the new realities that lay before them.
It would also seem that they have been beginning to experience intuitive synthesis (Sagittarius), in their mutual past, which would allow the seepage of other peoples' ideas and beliefs to broaden their world-views this lifetime. They would not have to believe what others have told them. They would not have to even believe in their own current world-view. They can begin to open the gates of their minds to all possible interpretations of "˜reality' and their ability to re-create their life path and belief systems with every new day.
It seems as if they have been developing their personal need to be special and to be noticed to the exclusion of the exterior world, and to the exclusion of each others' needs. This was possibly a survival mechanism for them in the past, but in a composite sense, if they come to learn to listen to each other more and be patient, they may find a path to the true liberation of the mind that they seek on a soul level. Step by step, they can encourage each other in the discovery and support of open-mindedness and exploration of their mental capacities to see more clearly. The 11th house represents the bigger picture.
The 11th house is one of empirical observation and experimentation, and with this clear, evolutionary intent, they can share and explore, together, new freedoms of expression. Hopefully, they will find new levels of inspiration with each step.
The So. Node is the node to consistently integrate. It is clearly a lesson of combined survival issues that, of course, involve the loss, or perceived loss, of a mother or maternal circumstance. Ceres in Virgo in the 2nd house is opposite Uranus in Pisces in the 8th, and relates to sudden loss and cataclysmic shock that will need to be felt on some level (No. Node in Pisces conjunct Uranus in the 8th) in order to be addressed. The emotional body will come into play, this lifetime, for certain, in order to support practices that can be consistently relied upon for soul growth.
They have both incarnated with the intent of liberating from old victim or guilt modes of thinking (So. Node in Virgo in the 2nd house, and Mercury conjunct the Moon in Capricorn in the 6th). The So. Node also denotes natural tendencies that keep forcing themselves back upon themselves to face feelings of victimization and helplessness ... until they decide to stop the cycle.
What I see is the opportunity for true feedback (another persons' point-of-view) in the 11th house which can lead to enlightenment - a soul break-through of sorts. It will take support from each other and their personal sphere to encourage expression and communication - consistently - to renew the pathways of the mind toward mutual healing of the mind (Pluto polarity point). This will take patience and determination, but with the So. Node in Virgo, in the 2nd house, they have the tools to do so.
By consistently integrating the dutiful and mindful nature of this So. Node, they can, consistently, face the turbulent waters of the 8th house to navigate to their own, unique, natural currents. They have the tools to find the fortitude to venture into the emotional realms for healing, but they must be willing to wade into the waters, forgive themselves, each other, and the pains of the past, and agree to venture into unknown territory. They need to take a step out in faith, and believe in themselves (So. Node in 2nd house), and their own personal strength and not be dependent upon another person or place blame. Their learning to unlearn old habits of self doubt and self denigration.
Pisces in the 8th house is a signature of unconditional forgiveness toward loss, abandonment and betrayal. With the planetary ruler in the 7th house, in Aquarius, they have the opportunity to learn to take steps toward really listening and relating to the other persons' story and needs.
In summary, I see that through the consistent integration of methodologies and practices that encourage communication and cooperation, they will have the foundation of self-reliance and self esteem to be able to work toward becoming their own, respective, authorities (Mercury in Capricorn in the 6th). A practice in their everyday life that supports them to be autonomous thinkers can support a renewal of the emotional healing needed this lifetime (No. Node). I believe that in this composite chart, they are looking to allow themselves the freedom to believe in Creators' unconditional love and release, so that they can each reach a greater level of understanding, self love and forgiveness in order to give these gifts back to society (Neptune in 7th). If they can learn to be more willing and receptive to other peoples' concerns and dilemnas, they will be offering their special creativity and expression to the world, and be 'doing' their skipped step.
There is always a higher truth (Pisces) of divine compassion that can teach us ways to "˜just be' - to live our lives in mutuality and peace so that we can mirror that possibility to others, and thus help to "˜just unify' each other - however elusive the concept. However difficult, hopefully they can learn to live in the moment (Pluto polarity point), suspend judgement, and just FEEL what mutual vulnerability and acceptance feels like so that they can address the unresolved trauma of the No. Node, absorb this into their souls, and offer the invitation to awaken to a higher intellectual reality to those around them (Pluto polarity point).
My teacher, Robert Ghostwolf met an eagle at a sacred site, one day, who taught him the meaning of the Lakota word, "Optipemsewak". The eagle spoke to him and told him that those who live their lives for the approval of others, are the equivalent of "being lost". "Optipemsewak" means "those who own themselves."
thank you for the opportunity. In spirit,
- marty
Hi Rad and Everyone,
this is my reflection on Shaw and Chloe's composite. In order to study it i have not read yet all the participations, so i'm sorry if this goes repetitive or a bit off what as already been said.
And Rad, thank you for your patience. I hope you are healing and feeling better.
With composite pluto square the nodal axis, this is a couple who has been skipping steps in their evolutionary journey together, and given the fact that the planet squaring the composite nodal axis is afterall pluto, there can be additional information pointing to the fact that this resistance has become very stressful and intense in the last lives together, creating now a point in their evolution where the conditions are set to bring all these matters to a head, to be faced and dealt with in order to be resolved.
One of the curious factors derived from this intensity and desire is the fact that matters have become so amplified, so important and "˜special', that we are now, as a community, giving it our full attention, study and focus, so that we can get to the truth of it and help as best as we can, and also learn and creatively apply what we learned in the context of our realities - composite pluto in the 5th house in saggitarius, squaring the nodal axis in virgo/pisces, north node is conjunct uranus. (When we study this things and come across this symbology i guess we cannot help to give life a smile, contemplating the accuracy of EA, and the Source that is teaching us all"¦)
From what Rad has already summarised, both Shaw and Chloe made a choice to be in a relationship with a common purpose - with the composite pluto in the 5th house, the relationship served as a vehicle to survive together in the context of families that did not allowed them to emotional mature with love and acceptance, SN in the 2nd house conjunct ceres. By being together, the relationship was the natural way to work on common personal desires of creative self-actualisation, as both siblings could help and empower each other as each needed.
Rad as also shared that in their last life together, tremendous trauma was experienced as a consequence of proximity, survival instinct, and intimate sexual contact that ended up by one taking the life of the other out of extreme fear to face the consequences of a resulting pregnancy, and that is seen by NN in the 8th house conjunct Uranus.
It was this extreme traumatic situation that now brings this couple together, to a shared life again as siblings, represented as a skipped step in their evolution as a couple. By being so extreme the relationship appears stuck in a pattern, which, in the beginning of this process will manifest as extreme resistance that started how Kristen has shared with us by Shaw inexplicable anger towards his sister and a resistance to accept her.
Starting from here, what is really behind this resistance? What is the lesson this souls are avoiding to complete represented in the "˜usness' of the composite that got to a point of extreme traumatic events?
To know this, and going back to each chart and their own individual skipped steps, we have been aware that in the consequence of feeling powerless and insecure, each developed the natural desire to change this and creatively actualize the life purposes the best they could.
By finding themselves in similar situation, they naturally started developing this desire through the creation of the relationship, where both could help each other's individual development but where other dynamics were also in place - both started projecting on each other the power and purpose each desired for themselves, creating first skipped steps in the personal evolutionary journey, each for individual reasons, and consequently in the relationship as a whole.
This created the situation of Chloe desiring so much love and attention from her brother that prevented her to see the brother for who he really his, and Shaw projecting this desire to feel special on his family and sister, avoiding responsability on his actions, emotional self-sufficiency and creating external dependencies.
With composite pluto polarity point in 11th house gemini, the next step on this couple's evolution is to objectively communicate in a way that breaks free from past projections. To actually be friends with each other and to actually listen and accept the other reality as it is presented. The way to do this can be seen in the SN in the 2nd house in virgo, the resolution node, and mercury in the sixth house in capricorn. In this simbology it is clear that the way forward goes through both souls relating to each other from a point of absolute self-reliance and sense of security developed from within. Since the south node is also conjunct ceres, much of this security comes from working and healing the mother within. The female side of creativity allowing to give birth and regeneration to their natural talents. Probably as much metaphorical as literally, as this can represent the letting go of previous deaths, reconcile with the mothers/fathers and allowing rebirth and renew that could manifest as one actually giving birth to the baby that never came to life before and both in a certain way take care and love the child.
This south node is also trine the moon and mercury in capricorn in the 6th house, so we can say it can be relatively "˜easy' to heal with responsability and maturity, if a bit of work is done on this self-empowerment. The challenge will be to acknowledge any aggressive behaviour, mars in cancer in the 12th house, any sense of competition and victimisation, as soon as it arrives towards understanding of the whole picture with love and compassion, mars trine NN and uranus in pisces 8th house, metamorphosing this energy. With Neptune, ruler of the NN, conjunct juno and opposing pallas, sun, saturn and venus in the 1st house leo, the themes of transmutation of agression through compassion and listening to the other by making a commitment to approach the relationship from a perspective devoid of projections, confronting all that is not the absolute truth of their souls, neptune also square jupiter in scorpio, becomes even more intense.
Taking from the amazing work that is already in progress with Shaw and Kristen, there would be reasons to believe some positive movement is just started to manifest. Let's hope it goes from there.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Edward,
First, thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment of the thread for Chloe and Shaw. The dynamics that you have identified within their relationship are all within the realm of the archetypal possibilities and evolutionary needs for them as a unit.
Good effort Edward.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Marty,
Again, thanks for making the effort to contribute to this segment for Chloe and Shaw. The dynamics you have identified within their relationship relative to their ongoing evolutionary journey, dynamics that need to be addressed and actualized in order to continue to evolve, so that the skipped steps become resolved, are all within the realm of the archetypal possibilities symbolized in their composite chart.
Good effort Marty.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Helena,
First, thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment of our thread for Chloe and Shaw. You have rightly focused on the specific dynamics within their relationship that correlates to the skipped steps between them, and why. You have also rightly focused on the ways to resolve those skipped steps in very practical ways that would allow them to do just that. It is interesting to consider that the current life is the first life for them in which they HAVE THE SAME MOTHER relative to their father. This current life mother is in fact the driving force for them to address and learn about these core dynamics within their relationship, and what adjustments, S.Node in Virgo, ruler Mercury conjunct Moon in Capricorn in the 6th, are needed that allow for the resolution of their existing dynamics that have lead to those skipped steps. It is those very practical adjustments early in their life together, in this life, that will allow for those skipped steps to resolve, and for their ongoing relationship to evolve.
Good EA work Helena.
God Bless, Rad
All,
I am posting this link to a lecture JWG gave a long time ago called The Sixth House: Issues In Self Improvement because of Chloe's and Shaw's composite S.Node being in Virgo in the 2nd house, with it's ruler Mercury conjunct the Moon in Cap in their 6th House. Self improvement implies the adjustments necessary to do just that. And that is a key to the resolution node for both of them: the S.Node in Virgo in their 2nd which is all about the inner dynamics that have existed within their relationship as a unit.
https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,1079.0.html
God Bless, Rad
Hi Everyone,
Rad thank you for sharing the lecture on the 6th house. I am wondering if you could please expand upon the meaning of the Ruler of the 6th house cusp being placed in the 5th house? Is this going back to learning the 6th house lessons of humility doubly or is this about taking the steps to self improvement for actialization of the the ruler of the 6th being in the 5th or is that only in the context of the whole chart that can be determined?
Thank you,
Heather
Rad and all,
thank you for your teaching and your time and all your interpretations. thank you, Rad, for posting the '6th House Self Improvement' lecture.
in spirit,
marty
Hi Heather,
The whole context must be understood in order to know the why of that placement.
God Bless, Rad
Rad, thanks for the link to JWG lecture. I am busy travelling and what not over the next week, but will be reading it and looking at the composite chart with an awareness of the Virgo/6th archetype.
Hi Rad,
what a great reading suggestion. I've been reading it in the past but there is a moment for everything and at that point you just get it, no? It's also interesting, because it's a 'perfect' 6th house matter, that the ability to 'get it' is directly linked with the surging of the opportunity to apply it, recognising it and working on it in a practical way afterall. Many thanks, Rad, you are such a wonderful teacher!
I've thinking about it applied to the composite and since the mercury rules the 12th and is on the 6th, there is pattern of what Jeff Green was describing as such an enormous task, to practically work on the 12th house ideal, that might be a situation of never feeling able to actualize it, never feeling ready. I wonder if the balsamic conjunct to the moon here might represent the culmination of this ideal mother archetype that each has been searching for and the natural struggle/anger (opposing mars on the 12th) derived from that inability.
In that scenario makes sense that what needs to be purified, perfected, comes to that jupiter in the 5th in scorpio square neptune, meaning, excessive exceptions towards the truth in what their combined egocentric structures are actually able to actualise in the context of the relationship.
It looks like gigantic work, so i question if it is appropriate/relevant to bring to topic here the role of the actual mother in this life. I mean, the mother symbol here comes with the necessary authority and sense of practically, capricorn, to actual help curb this expectations or if the mother also is combining a role of working on its own need to atone for excessive authority in other lives and actually from there be a force for change?
Can we look at the composite also in this way?
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Helena,
The way to understand the current life mother for them is to remember that the current life mother is the first time they each have had the same mother. The current life mother is actually from another life in which she was a 'nanny' type to them in the context of a family in which the father totally dominated the women that he was with including both of their own biological mothers. Thus, such mothers were deeply repressed, abused, and essentially unavailable to them emotionally/ psychologically.
In the role of a nanny the current life mother tried as best she could to give them what they needed. And that is exactly what she is trying to do in the current life as the mother of birth for them both.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
that is truly a selfless job from their mother, very beautiful to witness and i guess also the positive service from the natural expression of the 6th house. Thank you for clarifying that.
All the best,
Helena
Dearest Rad
I have been looking at this composite and just wondering a very simple thing. Are these possibly budding young EA Astrologers who, as their composite Moon Mercury in the sixth draws them towards Virgo self-improvement through research and study, and as they are also motivated by their North Node Uranus conjunction in the 8th ruled by Neptune and Juno bringing them to a need to be self-empowered through learning some very new way to see their reality and each other? With Pluto in Sag are we seeing a new wave of young EA astrologers? God I hope so.
We see that the Moon and Mercury suggests learning/improving stemming from their mother. And we know the Mother is asking for EA level help, so there she is in their 6th house. And the Uranus No Node wants New Answers as well.
Quote(jwg's famous freedom from the known)
Ruled by the Neptune Juno says they can discover these new truths together. So, do they, at some point receive an education ( Moon Merc), along the lines of Evolutionary Astrology, that helps that Pluto in Sag learn natural law?
Does the enormous creativity in the composite, with the 5h Pluto ruled by a stellium in Leo in the first, brings a new generation to the planet? I hope those souls with the closing trine from inner planets to Pluto in Sag have the talent to learn more and demonstrate more Natural Law than I might be able to imagine.
To further quote JWG's wonderful 6h house post -
The sign on the sixth house tells us what the inherent negatives would be that would have to be purified, adjusted, and improvedWith Capricorn on their 6th house, ruled by Saturn at 19 Leo conj Venus at 19 Leo we know from their synastry and individual charts they have both coveted the attention they received from past lives in which they were talented and competitive. So with the Saturn Venus Quincunx to the Mercury Sun in the 6th they might make adjustments to study, purify, and value(Venus) and find practical (saturn and the 6h both) ways to learn the way out of their competitive conundrum. Leo Capricorn is an interesting Quinx. Talent/Leadership.
Focusing on their 6h... Perhaps they will learn to serve each other and with the emphasis on the 7h and 8h, even many others.
They could just work on their own situation, or in a perfect scenario, they would also ) of course later in life ) teach/lead, start a school, study something together? Is the Uranus north node going to be about technology or is there enough evolution to have the moon mercury also be about service to others, while integrating lessons of their past lives?
JWG 6Th house post goes on to say
QuoteOne of the basic issues in Virgo and the sixth house that most of us don't realize is that Virgo/sixth house correlates to a sense of guilt that cannot be intellectualized, cannot be rationalized. You can't put your conscious finger on the thing and say that's why. And because of this inherent guilt--keeping in mind that one of the archetypes of the sixth is purification--when any time you set up the need to purify, it implies something else, doesn't it? Impurity, which itself can be connected to this sense of guilt. So what happens is that the sixth house via the twelfth house polarity creates the need to atone. One of the acts of atonement is not to do the thing for yourself you should do when you should do it. It's a subconscious voice that says I need this state of crisis, you see? I need this sense of pain. I need to have this sense that my life is not working quite right
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So for their on going self improvement to develop through action that first house Saturn in LEO in the stellium with Venus and the Sun and Palls Athena, seems to be another indication of harnessing all that 5h Pluto WILL to develop a bigger picture. Without Pallas they might not be so directed to work with it psychologically, and we could have a repeat of the talented young children once again. But the quinx, and the overall picture allows us to see that they will learn to harness this enormous will and talent for something lofty Does Uranus on Eros can also be that they will have a passionate love to do something really worthwhile this time? I don't use Eros and am just learning how to use these outer wheel nodes of the Planets so please bear with me while I learn.
This also all in a classic YOD - Boomerange formation of 18 LEO to 18 Pisces to 22 Cap 1,6 and 8 houses opposite the Mars at 17 Cancer in the 12h.
I am assuming that with these children there is an evolutionary momentum that has brought their mother, that Moon Mercury into offering/teaching and demonstrating the warmth and earthy dignity of Capricorn, the leadership skills and the inner practical strategies the 6h house possibilities. The nanny scenario fits the sixth house, thanks for telling us that. It makes so much sense now. I was struggling to see the mother until I knew that. She looks like she will hold up the mars/moon mercury mirror for them to finally stop their projections and hopefully harness all this talent.
The guilt and atonement of the Mars in Cancer in the 12 house opposite this Moon/Mercury shows the critical (full phase )need to bring awareness and action to their past lives and the violence and missteps. As they mature I am confident that the mother who is also learning from Kristen about how to help them atone, will be guided out of the stuck arenas as that Mars promises movement towards ultimate meaning (12H)and a healthier perspective on the whole picture of their new life together.
The argumentative/competitive level of Mars opposite Moon and Mars opposite Mercury may now be harnessed into awareness, as the efforts to self-improvement continues. We know Chloe has been working on this in her past lives as seen in her own chart.
I believe you told me to look at
QuoteRAD: "5th House Pluto rules her SNodes of Mars, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio in her 4th House. Within that 4th house is her Sun in Scorpio conjunct asteroid Ceres, ruled by that same 5th House Pluto, and square that Mars in Leo in the 12th. This key correlates to the incredible inner intensity within her Soul"¦"
We know Chloe has this enormous capacity to love Shaw and the way you described she envelops him. And again I trust the Boomerang Mars opposite Mercury and the Moon will help the mother teach them a more grounded way to overcome their competitive past life karma. The yods will create humility and an ability to listen to their own mother. They look like they are ready to face the music ( full phase mars to moon mercury ) and move on towards a new 7h/8h dynamic of shared resources and enlightening breakthroughs that overcome traumas.
I take it then that the other YOD - Neptune (7h 19 AQ) Mars 12H 17 Can to the SO NODE (18 Virgo 2h) with another Boomerage to Saturn Venus (19 LEO 1h) in the composite chart now shows another level of adjustments they will be able to make.
Neptune ( and Juno ) as the finger of this yod, ruling the 8h NONODE Uranus conjunction hopefully points to a spiritual understanding through their join application and commitment ( Juno) to looking at the big picture of their interdependence ( Neptune ) and does the opposition means they can find a new platform for both their value systems and their talent?
I think this double boomerang may be called a butterfly pattern? Lets hope they are ready to emerge from their cocoon and fly. In any case it is a ride or cry lifetime.
I am an optimist, and I hope this is not too lofty within the archetypal possibilities you have taught.
I have Pluto in my 6t,.exactly stationed on my North Node, so how synchronistic for me to be here with you and the Pluto school and this in depth study of the 6h. I am sure you know how grateful I am for this opportunity to keep learning. I really look forward to acquiring the knowledge to use the planetary nodes with the charts...
Tashi
Hi Rad,
I've started catching up and closer to writing something, but have also had several delays in my schedule, so not sure when I'll actually get pen to paper ... could be 5 or 6 days away. If it's still going then that'd be good but I realize that may be too far away.
blessings Upasika
Hi Tashi,
First, thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment for Shaw and Chloe relative to their composite chart.
There is no way of knowing at this point whether or not they will as a unite, together, investigate or learn something like EA, or any other specific form or knowledge. They are simply to young at this point to know about such future choices.
The real core of their relationship together, the resolution of the skipped steps, is to learn how to objectify each other individual reality so as to know one another, within the context of their relationship, as each actually is versus the projections that have come before. In this way they not only become FRIENDS, Uranus on the composite N.Node, the polarity point of Pluto, but they the also are learning together how to listen to one another, to actually hear each others individual realities, and thus learning how to give and receive from one another in the context their relationship what each actually needs versus projecting upon one another what each thinks the other needs.
Thus, this core correlates to the adjustments and improvements in their relationship together that the mother is a driving force for at this point in time.
You asked:
"Neptune ( and Juno ) as the finger of this yod, ruling the 8h NONODE Uranus conjunction hopefully points to a spiritual understanding through their join application and commitment ( Juno) to looking at the big picture of their interdependence ( Neptune ) and does the opposition means they can find a new platform for both their value systems and their talent?
A 'spiritual' understanding is not necessary for them to understand together the objective reality of each other in the context of their relationship. Talking and listening together with the intent to really hear one another as each actually is will suffice for them to do this. In that way they can help each other understand the individual possibilities that correlate to a new platform for their individual value systems and talents.
Thanks for your effort Tashi.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Upasika,
Yes, we can wait. So please go ahead.
God Bless, Rad
All,
After we have finished up with Chloe and Shaw I have been thinking of continuing this thread on skipped steps.
My idea, and thus question to all of you, is to look at the birth chart of Putin because it has a strong skipped step signature(s). Given this point in time in our collective reality of the planet I thought this may be very interesting and relevant to do. We could even examine, at some point, the relationship between him and Trump.
So let me know your thoughts on this possibility.
God Bless, Rad
Hi everyone I will be back home in 2 days and would love to continue the skipped step subject. Thanks. DDD
I'd love to continue practicing with skipped steps! Looking at Putin's chart and it's dynamic with Führer Trump sounds like a refreshing way to approach the global situation.
Cheers,
Edward
Hi Rad,
Excellent skipped step case study for the times we are living in. I will be following along and contributing as I can..
Peace,
Kristin
Hi Rad and Everyone,
The skipped step signature in EA is the one that fascinates and interests me the most because the person is not able to go forward with there Evolutionary journey until they recover the step and dig out all the roots that apply to that skipped step signature. This is one space that an EA astrologer can really be pivitol in helping clients move forward as getting to the root of the issue can be a real challenge for the client. I would like to continue in this thread and will follow along. I honestly am not sure how much more I want to "know" about Trump or Putin at this point in time. I know we have to be aware and educated but Honestly I am so sensitive to what is happening that I have to actually separate myself from it somewhat otherwise I shut down and then I am not effective in my own growth or the direction I'm trying to head in with helping others in their journey to heal. I realize this is something I have to continue to work on and I have been working on my whole life and I am continuing to do just that, I'm trying to get stronger. The Chloe and Shaw thread was really healing for me in so many ways I appreciated it deeply but I'm unsure about the new subject proposed. I will take in and contribute what I can.
Thank you so much to everyone for the opportunity to learn and grow in EA here.
Heather
Hi Rad,
yes, count me in.
Actually (i don't know if it will be appropriate to bring the mention to this subject, so if not i'll whitdraw the reference), this weekend i came across a chart from a female young activist against putin's regime, from the band pussy riot, and i have to say i could not apply what we've been learning, it was very confusing given what is known of her life so far, with incarceration and extreme resistance doing a work that is very valuable in her society.
I don´t have the exact birth time, but the chart has pluto, sun and mercury in scorpio square the nodes, the moon conjuncts the north node in aquarius squaring all this planets and the south node is the resolution node. So she has more than one planet as skipped step plus the sun, a planet conjunct one of the nodes and the resolution at south node, the ruler sun being conjunct the skipped steps in scorpio with pluto, and mars is also in scorpio but out the square. wow! i don't even know where to begin...
It looks like in her life she does not 'appear' stuck at all, being a driving force for the evolution of many people. What would be the best way to approach this skipped step? Can we consider it was 'brewing' for a long long time and now it comes like having an inside bomb waiting to explode?
Thank you,
Helena
Dear Rad
Thank you for your insights which are as always, very helpful. And yes to Putin and Trump. I certainly feel this would be stimulating and I could use the depth of the EA perspective. Count me in to give it a go.
Thanks for everything
Tashi
Hi Helena,
'Appear' is the key word in what you are observing about the Pussy Riot women. Having skipped steps in one's evolutionary journey does not mean that various aspects of one's life are not working, or being stuck. There are core inner dynamics within a Soul that has skipped steps that create the affect of repeating over over those dynamics in their life that until resolved prevent the Soul evolving forwards in it's evolutionary journey.
In the symbols you presented about that women those would all involve inner emotional/psychological dynamics that would not be seen or observed from afar by anyone. They would in fact be deeply private and secretive from the outside observer.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Helena, Rad, All,
If anyone can get a birth time of any of the Pussy Riot band..that would something ideal to dive into as well..their courage to take on the mainstream madness is beyond commendable..
Peace,
Kristin
Hi all,
I will be following.
Maya
Hi Rad,
Will be following along, and as time allows participating.
thanks Upasika
hi Rad,
yes, count me in on the skipped steps continuation - altho I'm not very up on the politics of it all - I'm sure we will all learn a lot in the process.
thank you for your time and teaching.
in spirit,
marty
Sorry I am only now trying to catch up again after the holiday season.. it has been a crazy busy start to the year but fingers crossed things are calming down.
Very interested to follow (and participate where possible) skipped steps case studies presented here. I love this topic.. gotta admit it is partly also coz I seem to have intense skipped steps myself ;D
Hi Rad,
I´m interested in continuing to follow along and post as time permits for me.
Thank you
All the best
Hi Rad and Kristin,
I see, thank you Rad, for your thoughts again. I mentioned it due to the fact that it is a very heavy skipped step signature, very intriguing from the point of the observer in the context of what is known of the this soul's life and social/political intervention on this evil scenario. But i guess from what you said, with scorpio, that is exactly the first point, expecting many layers beneath the surface.
Also Kristin, i share the same thoughts, it will be very interesting to have more data, which unfortunately (or 'scorpinonically' :)) we don't at the moment.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Rad,
I'm in the process of reading right through the synastry & composite of Shaw & Chloe, and probably would be able to write something and post tomorrow, or the day after at the latest. But I know you want to start the next phase with Putin soon, maybe even today, so if that's too late I could leave it so you would be able to press ahead, otherwise I will continue and post ...
thanks Upasika
Hi Upasika,
We would all benefit from your post, so will wait.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad and everyone,
Thanks very much for waiting...
Well, I'm blown away! It took a very long time to read through in detail and depth everything everyone has written on the synastry and composite of Shaw & Chloe. Such a lot of information, so many layers of it, and it seems to me every relevant factor and item has been well and truly covered. I cannot add anything new to what has already been laid out by Rad and everyone else, it's already a great deal of pretty amazing material and very complete. But I did want to write something, as I feel learning about skipped steps is a vital part of our EA toolbox. So I think the best thing I can do is try and summarize some itemized steps that can be used to start off any relational and skipped steps delineation, combined with a few comments on various things. Please correct me if anything isn't correct.
[A] The first thing I'd like to summarize for both Shaw and Chloe is the process that each went through that led to their personal skipped steps eventuating. It has been an intense journey that they have been through, and are still on. However we need to remember that each soul has its own identity and its own unique journey away from, and then back to, the Source. So it's good to remember the earliest point in their evolution that we can, as this is the deep root of their respective individual journeys.
Starting with Shaw
Let's return to the deep past of his Pluto, shown by his SN Pluto in the 6th with its ruler, Saturn, in a balsamic conjunction to Mars in the 12th - which is also where the polarity point (PP) for the SN Pluto is. I originally surmised that he would have learnt those 6th house lessons satisfactorily. Then seeing his SN Moon was ruled by Pluto itself, and with the SN Moon not introducing any additional factors to what was already involved via Pluto, it became clear that Shaw had become stuck at a soul level, and maybe been this way for some time. For this reason it's also good to revisit his SN Pluto situation.
Chiron and Juno in the 6th are conjunct that SN Pluto and the SN Saturn, in a waning sesquiquadrate to Jupiter in Virgo in the 2nd, as well as quincunx Venus in Gemini in the 12th.
In that signature we have lots of Taurus (2nd, Venus) plus Virgo (Virgo, quincunx) factors involved here. Also Virgo's PP is involved (12th house). Additionally the ruler of the SN Pluto and SN Saturn (Saturn), is in a balsamic conjunction to Mars in the SN Pluto PP house. Taurus and Virgo = survival and crisis, 12th = victim.
In this deeper look it seems Shaw's soul didn't do as well as it first appeared - there is a core wounding regarding the patriarchy/authority (Chiron in Capricorn, Mars conj the ruler, Saturn, in the 12th - persecution), probably stemming from relationship and survival crises (Chiron conjunct Juno, sesquiquadrate 2nd house planet, quincunx Venus) all stemming from the 6th house (crisis). This could be summed up as "his voice has not been heard" - whether it was a cry for help re survival, or trying to stand up for his rights, or defending his territory against invaders"¦ he has lost out, and his self-esteem has suffered badly as a result.
While this would have happened a great deal of time ago (re the SN Pluto and SN Saturn), it seems the resulting inferiority complex has never been resolved for Shaw, and his soul has now selected this as something to be addressed this lifetime. We can see additional indications of this inferiority complex, as Lucifer is very closely conjunct his North Node. Lucifer represents the temptation to succumb to evil intentions, and comes into play when the will to survive, to act in accordance with natural law, to be positive and a source of nourishment to oneself and others, is so broken that defeat and hopelessness take hold. Lucifer conjunct his NNode is in a critical place, because the NNode is so key to one's evolutionary and karmic progress.
Lucifer's placement indicates an inner sense of defeat may well have been present in Shaw for a long time. As the way we listen to ourselves creates our inner vibration, this then attracts to us situations and people accordingly. It seems that Shaw's true inner vibration in more recent past lives has been one of pessimism, self-doubt, lack of love, and a feeling of not being "good enough". And it's still there as an undercurrent in this life. However it's deeply personal and so he naturally he hides all this. But regardless he is potentially vulnerable to negative forces.
And it's highly likely he has been carrying this undercurrent ever since those lives represented by SN Pluto - it is a very old psychological complex. It is why in more recent past lives he has (still) been attracting fathers who paid him no attention (Saturn/Mars in the 12th), and it's why he has had such deep emotional issues for many lives now, showing through in this life with a Pluto/Moon conjunction, Mars in Cancer 12th, SN in Scorpio 4th, and Uranus conjunct Vesta in Pisces 8th.
So the most ancient issue is that his voice has not been heard, then that leading to lives of low self-esteem, which has then led to lives lacking in any love (fathers ignored him, mothers were always being replaced). Which has compounded as a deep feeling of impotence and being abandoned (SNode in 4th, Saturn & Mars in Cancer 12th - with Mars opposition to Pluto 5th conjunct Moon in Capricorn 6th). These factors often indicate emotional repression and/or difficulties, and because of the wider context here this is likely to be the case.
This has then led to him having lives of clinging to his siblings to get the love he needed, leading to co-dependent relationships with those siblings (Pluto 5th conjunct Moon, opposite Venus Gemini 12th).
This in turn has led to him having lives where intense and complex family situations arose (SNode Scorpio 4th), as all discussed by everyone previously. With very recently incest resulting in a baby, trying to hide this (Venus 12th, Uranus Pisces), feeling trauma and a fear of survival (Neptune Aquarius 7th, ruler Uranus opposite Jupiter 2nd), leading to murder of his sister and their baby - the potential for such violence is shown by Saturn conjunct Mars (compressed desire, entrapment) with Mars opposite Pluto (violence, rage). Obviously this is a massive coming to a head of so many past lives where his choices had not been healthy or good. This terrible act he committed was extremely humiliating, massively worsening the sense of being a failure, but also done in desperation and so leading to a desire to escape any further consequences in order to survive, but also to avoid the pain and hide from the natural guilt that inevitably follows such a transgression of natural law.
This therefore has resulted in a need to somehow "deal to" those feelings of being such a failure, of hopelessness - he has therefore been greatly reacting to them, and also hugely overcompensating against them (Pluto/Moon in Sagittarius, Jupiter trine NNode, and the ruler of the 9th house, Neptune, being a skipped step planet). This has resulted in the self-inflation (Pluto in 5th).
The final outcome has been that all these skipped steps have caught up with him and he has had no choice at a soul level but to turn and face the music. His skipped steps represented by Neptune in Aquarius in 7th involve having a god complex towards others, a distorted sense of everyone else, jealously towards others, and lacking in compassion for others - all because of having extremely low self-worth, and that itself made much worse by him not taking responsibility for his actions. Shaw's choices have finally caught up with him.
Let's now summarize how Chloe's skipped steps have arisen.
Chloe's SN Pluto is in the 6th house, with its ruler Saturn in Virgo 2nd also ruling and square to Pluto in Capricorn 5th. We know from this that right from the very beginning Chloe's issues were survival crises, and difficulty fitting into society (SN Pluto ruler Saturn in Virgo 2nd - opposite Uranus). And that Chloe's reaction to this was to turn to religion (Uranus conj Juno in Pisces 8th).
Her search for God back then led to lives of her idolising other people and groups more than anything else (Uranus's ruler is Neptune, in Aquarius 7th) and she morphed into a socialite (packed 7th). As a result her thinking became delusional (Neptune in Aquarius) and she decided fame would give her the same result as finding God (ie. help her survive and also fill the emptiness she felt within, Saturn in 2nd, Virgo on 2nd).
This then led onto lives where she worked on developing her innate talents towards that end - music, art etc (Saturn in 2nd, which is SN Pluto ruler, is itself ruled by Mercury which is in Libra - the arts), also in more recent lives, developing her intuition (SN quincunx Jupiter in Aquarius). This desire to be a socialite led to her becoming a "pleaser", basing her actions on other people's wants and not on her own needs (Moon in Aquarius 7th sesquiquadrate Saturn 2nd). This was the acceleration of what would become incredibly deepened 2nd house issues for her. It also led to the beginning of her self-inflation (Pluto 5th, Mars in Leo) as that went with her performing, and compensated for her increasing 2nd house deficient self-worth.
This however then led to lives where she really needed to recover her 2nd house functioning (listening to self, being self-sufficient etc), and as has been discussed she did this by being born to strong successful fathers who would ignore her except to intensely criticise and humiliate her, causing inner crisis as it affected how she listened to herself - inducing intense inner psychological emptiness and a sense of worthlessness (Saturn in Virgo 2nd square Pluto Capricorn 5th). So instead of healing her 2nd house issues it made them 10 times worse. Her egocentric reaction to what her soul kept creating in this regard (critical fathers) was to react by competing with those men, life after life. This is because she did actually become famous via her careers (Saturn in 2nd ruling SN Saturn in 6th, Pluto in 5th quincunx Mars in Leo 12th) with unique social roles (SNode ruler, Moon, in 7th conjunctions) which only increased the desire to compete. Also her self-inflation had greatly increased in the process, to the point where she got stuck in that pattern (due to that intense soul level KEY Rad talked about).
This eventually led to lives where she started to rebel against those fathers (Uranus opp Saturn), as her natural guilt for being that way built up (Moon NN and SNodes of Pluto and Saturn, all in Capricorn 6th, ruled by Saturn in Virgo 2nd). As that rebellion caused her to become less obsessed with her fathers it also prompted her increased interest in siblings (Uranus quintiles Mercury in 4th, and the ruler of Uranus, Neptune, trines Mercury - siblings).
More recently Chloe's soul also now needed deal to her very old and also multiplying skipped steps. These skipped steps represented by Venus in Libra 3rd and Mercury Libra 4th are family issues (SN in Cancer, Venus and Mercury in Libra in 3rd and 4th), expecting (Libra) to be validated (4th), recovering displaced emotions (Mars in 12th, Uranus in 8th) and recovering from extreme (Libra) denial of love she experienced - by learning emotional self-sufficiency (SN/NN in Cancer/Capricorn square Venus and the 4th house planets, which are all trine the 7th house stellium - the expectation that someone else will rescue her).
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While at a summary level like this these situations may not seem to be that dramatic or significant (more like small stories), we need to remember that this has all taken countless lives to unfold, and that the process of each soul's journey would actually have been excruciatingly slow and extremely painful in many of those lives.
The root issues may seem like nothing that startling or dramatic at the beginning - survival, fitting into society, and standing up for ones rights are common things many, many people experience all the time, and in that sense life hasn't changed much. But we can see here how important it is for all of us that we respond to life's challenges in the optimum way. The choices we make endlessly build upon each other, one after the other, life after life; and if we aren't careful and therefore consistently make non-optimal choices regarding some aspect of our functioning, eventually we can get trapped into a degenerate pathway that finally comes to a dead end, evolutionary-wise as far as that functioning is concerned.
While all the possible reasons for skipped steps are very varied and often complex and not always due to degeneration ... the functional degeneration described above will show up in an astrology chart as skipped step(s); and a Pluto skipped step generally indicates the degeneration has reached the level of the soul itself.
[B ] Looking at the past connection of these two individuals (Synastry)
(These are a subset of the rules in JWG Pluto book Vol II in chapter 2)
1. First thing is to look at the lunar SNodes and their rulers in each other's charts, their locations (sign and house) and any conjunctions as these indicate subconscious memories each has of the other.
For Shaw: Chloe's SN in Cancer (family/emotions/dependency) in his 12th house (helpless, persecuted - by him) conjunct his Ceres (mother/nurturing/extremely deep loss, maybe psychological or physical death) with the ruler of her SN, Moon, in Aquarius conjuncting her Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune all in his 7th house (a direct one-on-one relationship with possible images of "¦ mother/baby/beliefs/wounding/suffering/victim). There are other possibilities than these keywords but given both individuals have skipped steps, plus we do know a few things about their current relationship from their mother, these ones fit easily enough.
For Chloe: Shaw's SN in Scorpio (sex/merging/abandonment/secret) in her 4th house (family/emotions/dependency) with his SN ruler, Pluto, in Sagittarius in her 5th (power/psychological/intense/beliefs/homeless) via the 5th house purpose, drama and possible risk taking, conjunct her Ceres and Sun (extremely deep loss, maybe psychological or physical death/self/recognition).
2. Secondly, Pluto aspecting each other's personal planets (Moon/Mercury/Venus/Mars). These indicate soul (and therefore probably un/subconscious) connection points with the other person, who is likely to be much more aware of these energy flows and the resulting dynamics.
For Shaw: Chloe's Pluto is - conjunct his Moon (at a soul level, ie. unconsciously, merging into his emotional body), trine his Mercury (she deeply trusted what he said), opposite his Venus (compulsively on/off re listening to him then herself, love/hate attraction, manipulative), opposing his Mars (either deeply transformative, potentially highly sexual -and/or- compulsively possessive and dominating, potentially violent).
For Chloe: Shaw's Pluto is - sextile her Moon (deeply in tune with her emotions), sesquiquadrate her Mars (either reluctant yielding, potentially sexual -or- wilful and resistant towards her, manipulative, potentially violent).
3. Thirdly, planets aspecting each other's nodal axis, SN ruler, or both. These show in what ways if any, and how, one person's journey and growth has been hindered or helped by the other person. Along with the Pluto aspects, these evolutionary/karmic interactions between the two people reveal the significant, ongoing life tale (whatever it may amount to) that they both as individuals have created with each other up to that point.
For Shaw: Chloe's planets aspecting his nodal axis are - Chloe's SN ruler (her Moon) is squaring Shaw's nodal axis. This is a major karmic link from the past, as both nodal axes are involved (one person's nodal point ruler aspecting the other's nodal axis). Squaring it means a full breaking away has happened - often abruptly, always disruptively, sometimes violently. This can be caused by any reason, including via influences or forces outside their relationship.
Mars, Jupiter and Chiron are also squaring it, showing that actually an instinctive and very big life-changing breakup happened. And because it's also a karmic event, the changes that breakup caused would always have extended beyond (small or far) the life in which it happened. Since it was a really big significant breakup, the changes will extend way beyond that life. A massive learning at a soul level for both, particularly Shaw, will have taken place, or still needs to take place.
Chloe's NN ruler (Saturn) is sesquiquadrate and novile Shaw's nodal axis (with both nodal axes involved -directly or via ruler- this is another karmic link). Waxing sesquiquadrate to Shaw's NN, Chloe has no doubt applied some or lots of personal pressure on him to take her with him on his journey.
Chloe's Ceres is also conjunct Shaw's SN. With her SN Mercury and SN Mars conjunct her Ceres, it is clear that in the past (denoted by the SNs) she has lost something very personal (personal planets) to do with nurturing mothering/child (Ceres) via ideas, communication, sibling etc (Mercury) & desires, action, sex or anger etc (Mars).
Her Venus, which is one of her skipped steps, is triseptile it (subtle, undeniable fatedness). Her Pallas is quincunx it (she has tried to project her family crisis onto his NN 10th house shoulders).
For Chloe, Shaw's planets aspecting her nodal axis are - Shaw's Moon is quincunx her SN in Cancer. This reflects the crisis they have both been through regarding mothering/baby/emotional/co-dependency factors). His Mercury is square her nodal axis - whatever he has communicated with her, it has involved or resulted in a complete breaking away (often abruptly, always disruptively, sometimes violently).
Shaw's NN ruler (Venus) is quincunx her NN.
Shaw's NN itself is in Taurus in his 10th house - it's here that he needs to develop the self-sufficiency he needs (Taurus) to take responsibility for his past actions that resulted in the Neptune in Aquarius 7th skipped step (denial - Neptune- of the trauma -Aquarius- caused to others -7th). Shaw's NN ruler (Venus) can potentially facilitate this to happen, but seeing it's in a quincunx to Chloe's NN in Capricorn 6th, looks like resistance to doing that has caused yet another crisis instead.
His Ceres in Cancer is conjunct her SN in Cancer 12th (family/mother/child loss) and both his Chiron and Juno in Capricorn are conjunct her NN in Capricorn 6th (his wounding and betrayal to her as the male figure).
Finally his Jupiter and Pallas are sesquiquadrate her NN.
4. Nodal axis to nodal axis aspects. This indicates that a karmic connection of some kind has developed at some point in the past based on the aspect and location (sign and house) of all the nodes. There is no direct nodal axis connection.
5. If any planet is conjunct the other's NN, its ruler or both, and this planet is also aspecting anything conjuncting the other's SN, there are unresolved conditions to resolve, issues/dynamics to complete or sort out with each other.
Shaw's Chiron conjuncts Chloe's NN and is opposite her Mars (which is conjunct her SN). Obviously there is a great deal of wounding from him to her (the murder etc.) that is unresolved.
6. One's NN ruler aspecting the other's SN ruler. Indicates karmic connections of a newly developed nature. Issues may exist but if they do they will be relatively new. Regardless, they will recreate the past situations/conditions so they can now re-establish this connection and move onwards, forward with it.
Shaw's NN ruler, Venus in his Gemini 12th, trines Chloe's SN ruler, Moon in her Aquarius 7th. She has projected onto him that he will be her saviour. He is learning to not get caught up in her displaced emotions.
Shaw's SN ruler, Pluto in Sagittarius 5th, squares Chloe's NN ruler, Saturn in Virgo 2nd. Chloe's Saturn has in the past collapsed into his power and will, resulting in no survival for her at all. She will be hopefully learning to rely on him a lot less as she grows older.
[C] The Composite
Not much left to say....
The full 1st house which includes the Sun shows where a good deal of their collective energy needs to be focused - on independently actualizing their own selves, standing on their own feet. This may be a cause of conflict though until Shaw becomes more open-minded and responsible for his actions past and present, and Chloe becomes more reflective and much more self sufficient.
Another thing that struck me too is that Mars in Cancer in 12th (rules the 10th house of their shared responsibilities and is also the natural ruler of the 1st house) - the anger felt by them mutually - is opposite the Moon Mercury conjunction in Capricorn 6th. So it's in a key position regarding their past shared issue, yet being in the 12th prone to being suppressed.
Nevertheless Shaw is furious she followed him into the family he had started with his parents. His ongoing deep avoidance of his actions (his Mars conjunct Venus opposite his own Pluto, Moon conjunction) is based on hiding all evidence, even from himself (Saturn, ruler of his Chiron wound, is in the 12th), in order to guarantee that the natural guilt doesn't manifest.
Her turning up in the body in his world has turned that plan on its head. He is locked in, and will be naturally angry about that. That she compulsively invades his space worsens it for him. But anyway, he now has only two options.
Existentially, in this life, he has every right to be angry - she is overstepping his natural auric boundary, deserves to be pushed away. So he needs to know that, and not be completely denied his anger. It is a natural protective mechanism.
Option two however, is extending the horizons of his viewpoint to encompass the innate guilt he is repressing, or trying to repress; and admit to himself the deep sense of remorse he carries (Saturn in Cancer 12th sextile his NN in Taurus 10th (self-sufficient responsibility) which is in turn sesquiquadrate his Moon in Sagittarius in the 6th (humble inner resonance with the truth).
And forgo all anger as much as possible, until he can figure out why he feels as he does (so angry). In other words he will need to reconcile simultaneously the anger with the remorse. He needs to channel the angry energy into hard work (composite Mars opposite 6th house planets), and also analyse (6th again) what is underneath his anger, what the hurt or perceived hurt or violation actually is (Mercury conjunct Moon in 6th). Once he knows what the hurt is he can act independently of her by listening to himself, and taking responsibility for himself (composite Mars semi-sextile composite 1st house Venus/Saturn).
Currently Chloe may not be angry much. She's younger and also is infatuated with Shaw. But through his efforts to resist her, and her own evolutionary need to find her own self sufficiency, her own inner nourishment, that will possibly (and hopefully) lessen greatly over the years. And as it does, at some point when the psychological space between them has been created as a reality for her, that shared anger will possibly start to rise for her regarding the loss of the baby and her own life (in the composite chart Mars opposite the Moon - which is trine the SN/Ceres conjunction), her feeling betrayed (Jupiter in Scorpio square both Saturn/Venus and Neptune - these being opposite each other, plus the composite Chiron in Aquarius -trauma- in the 7th opposite composite Sun/Pallas in the first"¦), will awaken her sense of independent self and dignity (Sun/Pallas in the first in Leo).
And she has every right to be angry about Shaw's actions. He will only be able to rightfully request that she stops being angry to him once he takes full responsibility - acknowledges his actions (his past life murder manifesting as guilt, which makes him be nasty to her, but he wont be aware of the murder, rather its a case of taking responsibility for being nasty), and apologizes for those actions (that are symbolized by being nasty to her) every single time until he stops being nasty and unloving.
Unless he progresses to that attitude and behavior, if she is brought up emotionally healthily and helped to be truly independent, I would say anger in her will eventually grow stronger and stronger even if she doesn't know why. Although regardless of whether she knows why or not, she will subconsciously feel like directing it towards Shaw, and probably project it at him anyway.
And in the big picture, she needs this karmic re-balancing, and it may be unwise to ever shut this potential future anger down in her. Instead teaching her to know, monitor and channel her anger into a positive conscious expression would be better for all concerned. If Shaw refuses to address the composite 7th house wounding with her, she will may well need to express that composite Cancer anger, the anger of insecurity and vulnerability, to keep things in balance.
Whenever this composite Cancer anger is expressed by either of them, it will tune them back into their karmic relationship purpose (Mars trines NN/Uranus and sextiles the resolution SN/Ceres) - waking up (Uranus) to the deep, intense need to feel (8th) compassion (Uranus ruler, Neptune) for each other (in 7th), and reflecting on and analysing (Mercury ruler of resolution SN conjunct Moon in Capricorn) how to turn the tension and wounding (Chiron Aquarius, 7th) into co-operation and supportive independence (Chiron opposite Sun/Pallas in Leo 1st house - that opposition, along with the Mars oppositions from the 12th and the squares to the 5th house planets, causing the tension).
By staying focused on this relationship purpose (composite Pluto in 5th) outlined above, they will be able to continue progressively resolving their past individual and relational issues, bit by bit (resolution SN ruler in 6th). Possibly they could be coached by their mother on how to use their composite anger - only when necessary, both naturally and judiciously, for the good of them both - keeping them both honest and on track with their mutual healing.
blessings Upasika
Hi Everyone,
Upasika wow a lot of new detailed information to take in truly.. I did not see the placement of Lucifer in any of Shaw and Chloe's charts and no birth information was shown, Am I missing something? I have been trying to add Lucifer when looking at charts...
Heather
Hi Heather
Well its not so much new information as just summarizing what has already been revealed. For the synastry I just outlined the structure used in JWG Pluto II book using these charts as examples. But a little bit is new and is hopefully on track.
Re Lucifer - it just stuck out for me in Shaw's chart being so conjunct his NN. In Chloe's chart its at 0 Cancer in her 11th house, not so prominent at all.
I use Solar Fire and Lucifer is an asteroid that can be downloaded from astro.com and added into the SF asteroids and then shown as an extra ring point.
If you use Solar Fire 8 or 9 you can find out how to do all that in the Help - type asteroid into the Index, then select the first entry "accessing additional files". (Let me know if you need more assistance with that)
blessings Upasika
Hi Upasika,
Thank you for taking the time to share with us this comprehensive review of all the EA between Chloe and Show culminating in their composite chart. Your EA work is breathtaking, and allows all here to see and understand the utter depth of what EA is. All who read what you have shared Upasika will only grow within themselves because of this.
BRAVO !
God Bless, Rad
All,
For now I would like to suggest that we temporarily suspend our thread on skipped steps so that those of you who are in the relatively beginning level of learning EA can focus, now, on Deva Green's new thread on practicing EA charts. My thought is that if you shift your focus to that, for now, you will learn and ever deepening capacity for EA itself: it's foundations. In so doing, when we return to this thread in the future, you will be more able to understand the totality of the dynamics that correlate with the skipped steps signatures in birth charts.
So I am highly encouraging you to do just that. We will pick this thread up again down the line.
God Bless, Rad
Upasika, thanks for your analysis of Chloe's and Shaw's chart, and the dynamics between them. I appreciate you breaking down the steps in the way that you did. I am still reading through it and following with their charts. I have a question, and I am sure I will have more later. When analyzing Shaw's chart, at the beginning you said "the SN Moon not introducing any additional factors to what was already involved via Pluto", - can you please clarify? Thanks! DDD
Rad, I am on board with your decision to delay the skipped steps thread. As a newbie myself, I feel I can benefit from Deva's practice thread. Thanks. DDD
Hi Everyone,
Yes I am focusing on Deva's practice thread and praying every night to Mother to come to me and teach me in my Dreams...
Heather
Hi DDD
Sure, I'm a bit tied up for a day or so though, but then I'll come back here and go over that with you.
blessings Upasika
Upasika, thanks! No hurry, I have plenty of other stuff to work on. DDD
Wow, Upasika, Rad is right, my soul is soaking up your depth and capacity for integrating all the EA in these charts. I will re read this many times, as it has that enlightening energetic that the truth always has. Thanks so much for this truly helpful and detailed approach.
Thanks again of course to Rad, it is always humbling to realize how much more there is to learn, and I am so happy to have found the message board after all these years. Back to stay.
I will find Deva's thread and follow along. Also, I was so hopeful to hear your perspective on Trump and Putin. Is that still on, or is that part of the skipping skipped steps comments? Probably it is....
Well I am grateful to be able to re read this entire thread and soak up and apply all the things there are to learn here in.
Thanks Kristen and Rad for the insights and teachings you have shared.
Gratefully, and always in square one... Tashi
Hi Tashi,
Right now we will be suspending this thread because I am hoping those that are relative beginners will join in on Deva's thread so that this will lead to more of a comprehensive understanding of EA: the building blocks of the EA paradigm.
At a certain point I would like to resume this thread and pick up with the skipped step signature of Putin's chart. He obviously will continue to be a great menace to our planet, so to understand his Soul signature in this way, his skipped steps, may prove to be quite educational for us all.
God Bless, Rad
Greetings Upasika,
Such a thorough and detailed summary offered here on Shaw and Chloe, thank you for this gift you offer others as a powerful teaching tool ~ invaluable.
While I felt the whole thing was excellent there were a few things that really stood out for me:
I loved your approach of tracking their Souls journey from the beginning, the Sn of Pluto, the root of their essence.
Also how you included the temptations of Lucifer on Shaw's NN linked with his inferiority complex and those vulnerable cracks in his psyche where the shadow festers.
I also really loved how you discussed Shaw having 2 options in the end..
this was excellent
Nevertheless Shaw is furious she followed him into the family he had started with his parents. His ongoing deep avoidance of his actions (his Mars conjunct Venus opposite his own Pluto, Moon conjunction) is based on hiding all evidence, even from himself (Saturn, ruler of his Chiron wound, is in the 12th), in order to guarantee that the natural guilt doesn't manifest.
Her turning up in the body in his world has turned that plan on its head. He is locked in, and will be naturally angry about that. That she compulsively invades his space worsens it for him. But anyway, he now has only two options.
Impressive depth and detail Upasika..
Namaste,
Kristin
Hi Rad and Upasika,
i'm still going through Upasika's composite post, and as usual the insight and Upakisa's capacity to create this amazing flow of knowledge tends to leave my brain in some sort of dance, literally, that i've now identified more like brain tai chi :) Thank you!
And Rad, also thank you, i will follow along when you feel it is time to continue.
Best,
Helena
Hi Rad & Kristen,
Thanks so much for the very appreciative feedback! I'm really grateful for it.
And thanks too for creating such a fascinating thread and both of your own extensive inputs, and creating such a great learning environment for everyone. I certainly learnt a few things on this one. As you say Rad, practice is the key...
And also thanks Rad so much for your tireless resolve to keep spreading EA to all that need to drink of it's wisdom. None of this would be possible otherwise... and wouldn't ever be the same without you either.
Also Kristen, glad you enjoyed those parts of the post so much! That's nice that you shared that, thanks.
Also it's been a unique opportunity to do all this in a "live" situation, with you reporting back your own direct observations as well as the family's responses. It will be very interesting how it unfolds for them all and I wish them the very best - what great people to be open to this. So thank you also very much for bringing this resource to us in such a generous way.
blessings Upasika
Hi Tashi,
Thanks for your appreciation of my post.
It goes both ways though, as I also appreciated your inputs ... it takes a lot of guts to adjust course like you did - that's pretty admirable core integrity! And when you put your mind onto a refocus, to me you definitely showed a nose for the crux of things, and I found that very helpful for myself too.
blessings Upasika
Hi Helena
I'm glad you are enjoying my post. I also enjoyed reading the things you wrote. It was always a pleasure to see you have a go, and see your abilities grow as a result.
I'd say this would have to have been one of the more challenging kinds of practice thread, as its hard enough to grasp EA just in a normal situation, let alone through a situation where there are complications like multiple skipped steps all over the place! But you stuck at it right through and so got increasingly better at it every time as a result. I also benefited (and really enjoyed it) when you spotted significant things no-one else had previously seen.
blessings Upasika
Hi Heather,
I relate. Sometimes I used to stare blankly at a chart for ages with the brain just not engaging! I could not just "turn on" good EA at will.
My experience though is that getting EA is neither logic nor intuition, its a personal mix of both. When I get the mix inside me in balance then the EA flows. So the more I strengthen my logic by reading and rereading all EA (particularly original JWG, and Linda's Glossary) material the better I am "prepared" ... but I can't "get" a chart from that place - I need to just flow from an intuitional space for that. And the ability for that just quietly grew over many years by itself - I just had the desire that you have, plus I meditate regularly.
But that's all, as I grew as a person (with all my own very human issues like everyone else) EA also just grew inside me by itself...
Just sharing a thought or two...
blessings Upasika
Hi DDD,
Just an update ... it could be quite a few days or so, but before too long I will definitely return and go through that in detail with you
Upasika
Dear Upisaka
Thanks,your kind words are healing cooling balm. So, I think it was really a no brainer to change course... any encounter with EA and JWG turns anyone on a dime if they are awake... EA is so deep and comprehensive - And the experience I had taking the EA course really BLEW MY OLD CIRCUIT BOARD.. The old astrology paradigm seems like a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... So thanks, its nice to be a part of this group.. I am truly happy to be here... It feels like getting back up on the horse and continuing onward..
gratitude, peace, tashi
Hi All,
I wanted to circle back and put a symbolic bow on this thread as I spoke with the mother to follow up on the progress of Shaw and Chloe.
The first words out of her mouth were, it's like Night and Day.
I had recommended some follow up with a therapist and she said within 3 weeks of the reading and seeing a therapist 3 times following, Shaw's anger had totally vanished. It's as if it had dissipated into thin air.
Remember that Shaw has Pluto oppose Venus in Cancer in the 12th house. That Venus is balsalmic to Mars (anger) in Gemini. In EA we are taught that oppositions can also be an OPPORTUNITY TO THROW SOMETHING OFF FROM THE PAST as Shaw is now doing.
While the mother did not sit in on the therapy sessions, she did sit in on the reading and shared she felt it was critical in terms of understanding the WHY to his dynamics so she could follow up with the parenting his Soul needed.
She did say that there is some jealousy that still surfaces if his sister is getting extra attention from others but that he resolves it more quickly within himself. I shared with her about this Pluto Venus opposition and what he is trying to throw off, that being that these planets are in cardinal signs, as with any growth, this can be a two steps forward, one step process. The key is that both of the children are learning how to listen to what their sibling needs and take steps to then give them what they need, mutually.
Thank you all for your participation in this thread and in your sincere desire to get to the root of the dynamics that have been playing out for these two Souls. Healing is well on its way.
Namaste,
Kristin
Kristin,
This is just wonderful....
Heather
Hi Kristin
That's very encouraging to hear, and wonderful to see EA being so directly effective in the world. No wonder she is so glad you are able to help her family like this!
blessings Upasika
Hi Kristin, thanks for letting us know about how Chloe and Shaw are doing. It's been a valuable experience looking into their charts and seeing how the past is working itself out in the present. It's good to know they are progressing. DDD
Hi Kristin and Upasika,
thank you Kristin for sharing that. It is an such an inspiring case for the future of EA. Makes us strongly wish more and more people can start benefiting from it and actually get a real glimpse of that future, especially with young people. Partnering with other therapists seems also to be key. How wonderful!
I also only now had the time and frame of mind to finish and go through Upasika's last study, and although question always arise, i found very important in my case, to follow the guidance in how to really get to the bottom, the very beginning and cause behind each individual's skipped steps. I would like to practice that, but i guess it comes with experience and ability to put all in to context. Thank you Upasika.
All the best,
Helena
Quote from: Rad on Sep 11, 2016, 11:42 AM
All,
So we will begin our thread on "˜skipped steps'. Skywalker and Kristin has asked me to comment on the current transit of Saturn in Sagittarius squaring the transiting Nodes in Pisces and Virgo. So I thought I would write something first before we get into the understanding and application of skipped steps in an individuals chart.
Saturn square Nodes in Pisces/ Virgo: Reality, Saturn, is a function of beliefs or actual truth: Sagittarius. For most humans reality is function of beliefs starting with some religion of philosophy that is the determinant of how their consciousness is organized and structured. The organization and structure of consciousness determined by beliefs thus orientates the Soul, the human, to phenomenal or actuality reality by way of interpreting, according to the beliefs, what the actual reality is. In this way humans project their beliefs upon actual reality .. the issue is thus are those beliefs illusions/ delusions that ultimately lead to or create crisis , or not.
This Saturn transit ultimately refers to Pluto in Capricorn, it's current Pluto transit over it's own S.Node, and the Nodes of Saturn and Jupiter: the original transition from natural times to the patriarchy , the religions that were invented then all defined by male gods. Every aspect of "˜reality' that has been created from the point forwards until now defined by the collective consciousness that is rooted in the need to conform to the majority of what humans "˜believe' to be true: the basis of the consensus in any culture, society, or tribe.
Within these consensus beliefs stand the root of judgments. Judgments that are projected upon all humans, and judgments that occur within each human. The issue then becomes are those judgments rooted in Natural Laws, or are they rooted in delusional beliefs that have been created and invented by man made laws.
Remember of core Natural Law is the law of giving, sharing, and inclusion. This became progressively perverted when humans learned how to cultivate seeds leading to farming, and the raising of animals. Thus shifting from being nomadic beings into sentient beings. The invention of religions began at that time, and the natural law of giving, sharing, and inclusion became perverted into self interest and exclusion.
The violation of that natural law is at the very root of all of "˜reality' since that time until now that has lead to hierarchies, of classes of peoples, of competition between whole group of peoples with other peoples, of one individual to another.
In the times we are living now all of this of course is creating a "˜reality' for our planet that is threatening it's very existence, and whole of nature, including the human animal. The root of that threat lies in the economic systems that humans defined by self interest and exclusion have created.
If humans do not change, to redefine themselves according to natural laws including giving, sharing, and inclusion then the potential extinction of the species lies ahead. If they don't then the "˜skipped steps' that manifest now during transits like Saturn in Sagittarius squaring the Lunar Nodes in Pisces/ Virgo will occur. And progressively those skipped steps will catch up the to the collective of all humans leading to progressively cataclysmic events whose intentions are to force a realignment with Natural Laws in order to SURVIVE.
So this is a time for all humans to reflect, Saturn, on these things. Reflection can generate self knowledge, a knowledge that can be applied to this moment, and the next, in order to evolve in natural ways versus distorted ways.
Where is the Saturn transit in your chart now relative to the S.Node of Pisces, and the North Node of Virgo ? These are the lead points in your own structural reality that need to be reflected upon in order to determine a self knowledge of yourself that can and must be applied to your evolving future: now, and the next moment, and the next moment into your future. The transiting S.Node correlates to that which is being brought forwards to now, and how that interfaces with your evolving future: the transiting N. Node. The possibility of creating skipped steps exists relative to whatever those dynamics/ issues are about your past relative to the temptation, transiting N.Node, to move ahead without fulfilling whatever whatever it is about the past that needs to be fulfilled and completed. If not, then skipped steps will take place.
This is a time to reflect on the nature of your beliefs in general. Not just philosophical or religious beliefs, but your beliefs about anything. This is a time to replace all "˜beliefs' with actual knowledge. Knowledge does not require a belief in it because knowledge, actual knowledge, is objectively true: it is a fact. Do you "˜believe' that the sky is blue, or do you know it ? In the same way to reflect on your life in order to replace any delusional believe with actual knowledge. Do I "˜believe' my partner is cheating on me, or do I know it". And so on.
This is a time to reflect on your past in order to know that past in the deepest possible ways: the causes of it, the truth of it. In this way actual knowledge will occur that you can then apply to yourself now, and into your future. You will then evolve naturally versus evolving in distorted ways where distortion is a function of delusive beliefs.
If you have any questions about this please ask them of us now.
God Bless, Rad
Hi bacchi2
This thread begun long ago has already culminated. You can use the search engine to find out more and more about skipped steps because it has been discussed on this mb since it started. Just type in 'skipped steps' in the search engine and it will then bring up all those prior discussions.
God Bless, Rad