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Hi All,

I have been thinking of starting a new thread that will involve understanding the archetypes of Venus with a special focus on the inner relationship that the Soul has within itself, and how that inner relationship is a determinant of how the Soul thus relates to others. This would also include an examination of Venus and it's North and South Nodes.

For those that are interested please let me know.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I think this would be a really interesting topic.

cat

Hi Rad

Totally time pressed as usual but the topic sounds great

Upasika

Count me in.

Linda  :-*

Hi Rad, i'm very interested!

 Hi, I am also very interested. Thank you.

Hi, count me in.

Maya

Hi Rad,

Count me in and thank you for the opportunity.

All the best

Hi Rad,
i would be very interested to participate. Thank you for the opportunity.

Hi Rad,

Great! Count me in too.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad,

Yes I would love to learn more about this.

Thank you,

Karen

Hi All,

Well there sure has been a great response to this thread. We will start shortly as there is much on in our world of EA that needs to be tended too just now.

When we start I will be talking about all the archetypes that correlate with Venus: not all at once but the various archetypes one or a few at a time. Thus, when you have questions about any of them you can asked me so as to keep us all clear and understanding as we move along.

We will be focusing all of this in the end upon the inner relationship the Soul has within itself which then manifests it's own unique electro-magnetism that serves as the basis of those that the Soul attracts to itself, how the Soul relates to them as a result, and the WHY of it all. This is the real beauty of EA for it allows us to understand the WHY of anything from an evolutionary point of view.  In other words most of the world of astrology is descriptive in nature versus understanding the WHY of what the Soul creates for itself relative to it's natural evolutionary journey.

We will use various examples of real charts of well known people as we move along to illustrate this or that dynamic but, most importantly, you will be using yourself and those closest to you to understand and validate what we are discussing.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will begin our discussion of Venus by focusing on it's archetypal correlations one by one. And we will begin very slowly so if anyone has questions about what is posted each time they can be asked without getting to ahead of ourselves. So if any of you have questions on what is written below please just ask.

God Bless, Rad

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The first one correlates to the instinct in all forms of life to survive. The survival instinct. In the human form this instinct manifests as being able to identify what resources are needed, or available, in order to survive. What resources that are needed and/or available for the Soul in human form to survive will be valued.

Since the inherent nature of the Soul in human form is a social one, socializing with other humans, humans thus live together as a group as most forms of life do. Thus, in order for an individual to survive in a socialized context the individual NATURALLY learns to give, share and include others in the shared resources that allow for the group, and thus the individual to survive. This also means that whatever inherent inner resources any given individual in the group has is used, shared, given to the whole group in order to help that group, and thus the individual to also survive.

This natural law is important to understand for it is the determinant of how humans naturally related to each other, how each individual related to the group. Within this natural law of relatedness is the determinant of how humans were able to listen to one another in order to understand one another for the actual reality that each individual lived in the context of the whole group they lived within. In this way each individual could understand the objective reality of another, and, in this way, give to one another what each needed according to the actual reality of another.

Coming through great lengths of time finally lead the human race to shift from a nomadic way of living to becoming relatively sedimentary with the awareness of how to plant and harvest seeds, and how to raise certain types of animals in a fixed location. Generally speaking, this shift happened roughly around 7,000 B.C. When this began to happen humans began to also invent religions. All humans, until then, were living in accordance with Natural Laws. There were no formal religions. Higher understandings of the nature of life itself were understood in accordance with Natural Laws.

Progressively then as the centuries followed from this time the Natural Laws of how humans organized and related to themselves changed from giving, sharing, and inclusion to self interest, and exclusion. The psychological act of listening to another's reality, or the reality of the group, shifted. It shifted into hearing everything from within the filter of self interest. This self interest and exclusion also manifested as a perversion to the natural human nature wherein the the survival instinct was defined by the individual as to how the group could be USED to support the survival needs of the individual.

All,

It is a very busy time in EA. We will continue on in the next couple of days. Please bear with me.


God Bless, Rad

All,

So we will now continue in our discussion of the archetypes that correlate with Venus. We will continue now with where we left off, and then talk about the essential needs that all human Souls have in the relationships that they form with other humans.

We will sum up what was written about in one paragraph, and then move on to an necessary and critical understanding of the core archetypes that exist within the natural zodiac that symbolize the entire dynamic of how a human Soul interacts within itself, it's inner relationship, how it interacts by forming relationships to other humans, and the 'why' of this.

JWG wrote about this in the second book on Pluto: The Soul's Evolutionary Journey In Relationships. What follows comes from that book.

So, first, the summary of what was discussed above.

So in general the human race has ended up using each other for their own needs defined by self interest in order to individually survive. And, again, whatever is needed to survive, the resources needed to survive, will be valued. And what is then valued as a function of survival, the resources necessary to survive, and that which is valued in this way will be given tremendous meaning.

And now the core archetypes that exist with the natural zodiac.

A key to understanding essential relationship needs is to understand the inherent archetype in the horoscope between the 2nd, 7th, and 12th Houses. If you examine the inherent symmetry between these houses, you will notice that the 2nd and 12th Houses form inconjunctions to the 7th House, and the 2nd and 12th Houses are in a sextile relationship to each other. Thus, there is an inherent Finger of God (Yod) aspect pattern pointing to the 7th House. What does it mean that these houses are tied together in this way, and why should we utilize this archetype to understand the inner and outer relationship dynamics, including sexual dynamics, at all?

The answer is that the planet Venus naturally rules the signs Taurus and Libra, and that Neptune, the planetary co-ruler of Pisces, is the higher octave of Venus. Thus, since the natural zodiac has Taurus on the 2nd House, Libra on the 7th House, and Pisces on the 12th House, there exists this natural archetype that correlates to our relationship dynamics, including our sexual dynamics. So, the first step is to understand the nature of this archetype.

To understand this archetype is to understand the inherent nature of each of its components first.

The 2nd House, Taurus, and Venus

The first component we will examine is the 2nd House and Taurus. The core archetype that Taurus or the 2nd House correlate with is one of survival - one of the deepest instincts in all human beings. Within the human being, anatomically speaking, this instinct manifests from what is known as the primary brain, which regulates all the instinctual functions of the human being. The instinct to survive has many applications and manifestations. One of these manifestations is the instinct within the human species to perpetuate itself. Thus, Taurus and the 2nd House correlate with the sexual instinct to procreate the species within all of us. And, yes, the sexual instinct emanates from the primary brain.

The actual reason for the human species to procreate through the act of sexual intercourse, as opposed to asexual reproduction wherein a cell simply clones itself, is a biological act of survival. Because the main danger to the integrity of the human organism occurs through viruses, bacteria, and parasites, which mutate and evolve very quickly, it was and is essential that the human organism be able to evolve its own immune system in order to survive these types of assaults. In the case of asexual reproduction, the immune system remains static and fixed. To procreate the species through sexual intercourse is necessary because it allows for an ongoing evolution of the immune system through combining the genetic structures of two people into a third person. This constant evolution of the immune system thus allows for the survival of the human organism.

The immune system in astrology correlates with Neptune, Pisces, and the 12th House. The survival need of the species as a whole is reflected in each individual, and each individual determines the selection of a partner based on attraction. This natural selection is largely determined through a subconscious reaction to the secretion of pheromones, which emit a scent. This reaction will be either positive or negative, and thus serves as a basis of who has intercourse with who. Through this biological cue, we select partners who will produce offspring with an evolved immune system that is better able to defeat disease and infection. This, in turn, helps to guarantee the survival of the species. Pheromones are astrologically associated with Taurus, the 2nd House, and the inner side of Venus.

Another manifestation of the survival instinct is one of identifying what is needed in order to survive. This can have many applications, including identifying what resources we already have or possess in order to survive. This duality of what we already possess, combined with identifying what we need (i.e. what we do not already have) for survival to continue or be sustained thus generates the following paradoxical crisis for the human being.

On the one hand, identifying what we already have in order to survive correlates with the archetype inherent to Taurus or the 2nd House - the archetype of self-reliance, self-sustainment, and self-sufficiency. This archetype is one of inner awareness and focusing. On the other hand, identifying what is needed (that which we do not already have) for survival to continue correlates with the archetypal awareness within consciousness that looks outside of itself in order to gather or attract that which is needed. Long ago, the human being learned that it was much easier to survive individually by forming relationships to other human beings who could live together as an organized unit.
Thus, the human being, in many ways, became dependent on other human beings for survival to occur. This is not to say that the human being cannot survive completely alone. Of course, this can be done.

But how many people do you know of that live in absolute isolation, surviving only through their own capacity? The paradoxical crisis of survival is rooted in that which is already possessed within the individual, and that which is perceived to be needed that is outside of the individual. Astrologically, this paradoxical crisis is reflected in the natural inconjunct between the 2nd and 7th Houses. It is also reflected in the inner nature of Venus (Taurus) and its outer or projected nature (Libra). Thus, psychologically speaking, it becomes the paradoxical crisis between the need for self-reliance, and our dependence on others (relationships) in order to survive - the procreational instinct combined with the awareness of what we do not currently have, and yet what is needed in order to survive.

Another manifestation of the instinct to survive is one of values. Why? Because whatever it is that correlates with what is needed in order to survive, or that which correlates with the resources that already exist in order for survival to occur, will be highly valued. And that which is valued will correlate with how much meaning we give to it. Thus, the 2nd House and Taurus correlate to the meaning that we give to life, in the broadest sense. In an immediate sense, the archetypes of Taurus and the 2nd House correlate with the meaning we give to ourselves and, through extension, the meaning we give to other people. This, of course, is dependent on how much we value both ourselves and others.

Astrologically speaking, the sign on the 2nd House cusp, the location of its planetary ruler by house and sign, plus the aspects that planet makes to other planets, will condition how the archetype of the 2nd House is oriented to and actualized by any individual. In addition, the location of the sign Taurus in the horoscope and its natural ruler Venus by its own house/sign, plus the aspects that it is making to other planets, will condition the archetypes inherent to those houses with the archetypes intrinsic to Taurus. In composite charts, these same principles apply to how the couple orients to actualizing these archetypes.

The 7th House, Libra, and Venus

The next component of this archetype is the 7th House and Libra. The core archetype of the 7th House and Libra is of the initiation of relationships with other human beings. The initiation of relationships has as its casual factor the projected need for survival that emanates from the 2nd House and Taurus. The projection of these needs from the 2nd House and Taurus to the 7th House and Libra occurs through the inconjunction that links these archetypes. Through the 7th House and Libra we initiate relationships with a diversity of people in order to discriminate (inconjunct) between those people who reflect what we need, versus those people who do not. Once the individual determines which people can best meet what it needs, needs that are now projected, the basis of expectations simultaneously occurs. That which we expect from other people, and they from us, in order for the projected needs of each to be met, is the causal factor for conditional giving, sharing, or love.

The inconjunction also teaches the human being that it must also learn to give to others in order to secure or receive what itself needs. In order to give others what they need, the human being must learn how to listen. Venus (the co-ruler of Libra and Taurus) correlates with the psychology of hearing, whereas Mercury rules the anatomy that exists within the ear. By learning how to listen, the human being learns how to objectify itself - to experience itself and others objectively. In this way, the human being is learning equality.

The 7th House and Libra teach the human being to equally give and receive. When the balance of giving and receiving within relationships is disproportionate, a crisis (inconjunct) within the relationships will occur. The crisis created in this way is necessary in order for the relationships that we form to become adjusted. In this way, we achieve a state of balance, and the roles become equal.

The inconjunction between these archetypes will also create a crisis when the individual either becomes too dependent on others, or when others become too dependent on the individual. When excessive dependence occurs in this way, crisis occurs within the relationship in order for an adjustment to happen. The effect is to enforce actualization of the 2nd House and Taurus archetype of self-reliance. The inconjunction that links the 2nd House and Taurus to the 7th House and Libra has another primary function - to define a person's individual identity. This occurs as a person compares or evaluates him or herself through interrelating with other people. In essence, it is through social interaction that people become aware of who they are as individuals. Through comparison and evaluation, people become aware of that which is unique and individual about themselves. In the same way, they also become aware of that which is unique and individual about other people. In this way, they become aware of their roles within the relationships that they form, and the function of the relationship.

The function of the relationship describes the reason for the relationship - the purpose of the relationship. The function, reason, and purpose of the relationship restates the expectations that we have for it, the roles that are created for those expectations to be met, and the relative dependence that is generated in order for the needs and expectations to be met.

In the individual chart, the sign on the 7th House cusp, the location of its planetary ruler by house and sign, along with the aspects that planet makes to other planets, will condition how the individual actualizes the 7th House archetype. In addition, the location of the sign of Libra in the chart, the house and sign locality of its ruler Venus, and Venus' aspects to other planets will condition the inherent archetypes of those houses relative to the archetypes of Libra and Venus.

In composite charts, the nature of the signs and houses that these archetypes are conditioned by, along with the sign and house locality of Venus and the aspects that it is making to other planets, will describe how the couple understands and actualizes the reason, function, and purpose for their relationship. The archetypes symbolized by the composite chart will reflect how each of the individual's needs (symbolized in their natal horoscopes) combine in a relationship. By combining the individual needs in a relationship, the needs of the relationship itself are symbolized by the sign on the composite 7th House cusp, the location of its planetary ruler, and the aspects that it is making to other planets.

These symbols will correlate with the relationship's capacity to fulfill each individual's needs. In addition, these archetypes will show how the couple defines their roles within the relationship in order for their mutually projected needs to be met, along with the relative balance or imbalance in these roles. The inherent inconjunction between the 7th House sign and the 2nd House sign, and the locality of the planetary rulers for those signs by their own house and sign placement, will correlate with what types of crises could occur, and what the causes may be. This inconjunction also correlates to the creation of a crisis within the relationship when the relationship cannot meet the individual needs of one or both partners.

The 12th House, Pisces, and Neptune

The last component of the inherent archetype being discussed is the 12th House, Pisces, and Neptune. The core archetype here is one of transcendence. Transcendence of what? No less than the confines of time and space or place. This archetype reflects the desire in all human beings to search for or embrace an ultimate purpose or meaning for life itself. Anatomically, this desire or impulse emanates from the pineal gland within the brain. Astrologically, this gland correlates with Neptune. This gland secretes a hormone called melatonin. This hormone is responsible for many things including sleep, dreams, imagination, creativity, revelations from on high, insanity, and, from an evolutionary point of view, the spiritualization of consciousness.

Psychologically, this archetype reflects the intention or motivation inherent within consciousness to search for the higher or ultimate meaning for the totality of what we call life. This is especially true when the human being experiences cataclysmic evolutionary or karmic events.

Because this archetype correlates with transcendence or the search for ultimate meaning or purpose, the linkage to the 7th House or Libra via the inconjunction correlates to the person's conscious or unconscious ideals that are projected into its relationship needs. This projection becomes the basis of idealistic expectations that we have in the relationships that we form - the desire for the "perfect" relationship. In addition, unless or until an individual truly acts upon the transcendent impulse for him or herself, this archetype explains why so many people unconsciously or consciously make their partners de-facto gods and goddesses. In essence, they project the ultimate meaning that the 12th House, Pisces, or Neptune correlates to upon the partner. When projected through the 7th House, Libra, or the projected nature of Venus (not the inner nature of Venus) in these ways, a crisis will result at some point. The nature of such a crisis is one of disillusionment. One realizes that the partner is not perfect, the partner is not a god or goddess, the projected ideals manifesting as unrealistic expectations not being realized, the partner is not who they seemed to be at the beginning of the relationship, and so on.

The crisis of disillusionment is necessary in order for the human being to readjust the focus within its consciousness. Instead of projecting the 12th House, Pisces, or Neptune's search for transcendence or ultimate meaning upon the partner, each of us, at some point, will focus and act upon this desire and need from within ourselves. The inherent sextile from the 12th House and Pisces to the 2nd House and Taurus correlates with the intention, evolutionarily speaking, within the Soul to relate to itself in a transcendent way, and to establish a relationship with the Ultimate Source Of All Things from within itself.

Thus, that which is valued, and the meaning we give to that which is valued through the 2nd House or Taurus, changes. It changes from the temporal (time and space equaling the immediacy of what we need in order to survive) to that which is transcendent or ultimate. When this occurs, each of us will relate differently not only to ourselves, but also to other people.

Instead of trying to make our partners into gods and goddesses, we will realize that each human being has innate divinity within him or herself because all of us have been created by the Ultimate Source Of All Things. Instead of projecting our ultimate ideals upon a partner, we will actualize those ideals for ourselves. Instead of seeking our ultimate sense of meaning in our partners, we will discover this meaning from within ourselves by embracing a spiritual teaching or path. When the crisis of disillusionment manifests one too many times, the necessary adjustment that will lead to this shift of focus within our consciousness will create a vibrational shift in our emotional, mental and physical bodies.

The effect of this, in essence, will be that instead of projecting the search and desire for ultimate meaning outwards, the projection is now inward - toward self-reliance. The inner nature of Venus now actualizes its higher octave, Neptune, to create a vibrational shift from within the human being that will allow it to attract (Venus) other people who have achieved this shift for themselves. The shift is also reflected in the natural linkage between the 2nd and 12th Houses because of the natural planetary rulers of each being Venus and Neptune.

It must also be remembered that the 12th House, Pisces, and Neptune all correlate with the potential for sadomasochistic psychological behavior in relationships. The root of this, again, is reflected in the Garden of Eden myth, or any religious teaching that pretends that man is superior to woman, or that woman is the cause of man's spiritual downfall through the "temptation" of the flesh. In an individual's chart, the sign on the 12th House, the location of its planetary ruler by house and sign, and the aspects it makes to other planets will correlate with the ultimate ideals that he or she projects onto other people through the 7th House. The types of experiences that will lead to a necessary disillusionment in order to readjust the individual's focus will also be described in these symbols. Pisces and its ruling planet Neptune will condition the inherent archetypes of the houses and signs that they occupy. In composite charts, these same symbols will correlate with what ideals the relationship has for itself, what constitutes the sense of ultimate meaning for the relationship, how this is actualized, and what kinds of unconscious projections may occur in order to readjust the focus of the relationship.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now before we continue on.

God Bless, Rad

All,

Here is something that JWG wrote about Venus retrograde. If you have any questions about this please ask them of me. God Bless, Rad                                     


                                            A Note on Venus Retrograde

From a terrestrial view, the planet Venus goes into apparent retrograde motion every 542 days or so. Thus, it is retrograde the least amount of time of any planet in our solar system. Venus retrograde in a natal chart has very specific archetypal correlations that condition how we inwardly and outwardly relate to ourselves and other people.

Consistent with the archetype of retrogradation in general, Venus retrograde correlates with a necessary rebellion or individuation of its function relative to our orientation to relationships. Thus, the Venus retrograde person will inherently rebel against the cultural conditioning of how we are expected to define ourselves in general, the meaning of life specifically, and how we are expected to be in our relationships: gender-specific roles, how children are meant to be raised, the purpose of relationship, and so on.

When Venus is retrograde at birth the individual consequently internalizes the Venus function. This means that such an individual is orientated to establishing an inner relationship with themselves as a primary focus in life. Consequently, there is a perpetual inner questioning of who they are, and what they need in order to actualize a life consistent with their individuality. By internalizing the Venus function, the individual is essentially defined through the Taurus side of Venus, versus the Libra side of Venus. There is a primary focus on selfsustainment, self-reliance, self-empowerment, and a desire and need to actualize individual values that correlate to the individual's sense of the meaning and purpose of his or her life. As a result, such people inwardly hear and respond to a very "different drummer." They create a very different inner vibration or magnetism that serves to attract others who are similarly vibrating or resonating, individuals who rebel against the "normal" way of living life according to the consensus of society in general, and the "normal" forms of relationship specifically.

Because of this deep internalization of the Venus function, the Venus retrograde person relates to others in a very different way. He or she is a deeply self-introspective individual that psychologists would classify as an introverted type. Being introverted, the Venus in retrograde person thus creates an aura or atmosphere around them in which there is a "buffer" that does not allow others to penetrate into their inner reality. As a result, the Venus retrograde person appears to be enigmatic or difficult to understand. This buffer creates a condition in which other people typically project onto the Venus retrograde person the realities that they represent, versus understanding their actual reality. Because this happens so often, it has the continuing The Nature and Function of Venus effect of keeping the Venus retrograde person deeply withdrawn from the environment. This reaction to others' projections is a form of the survival instinct as embodied in the Taurus side of Venus.

In my work as a counseling astrologer, I have counseled over 15,000 clients to date, and I have observed that many Venus retrograde people naturally attract partners who have a strong Uranian emphasis in their natures, even if they do not have Venus retrograde themselves. Even in the consensus evolutionary state, which again correlates with generally seventy percent of the world population, the Venus retrograde person has either managed to uniquely define their relationship in some way so as to reflect the principle of individuation, or they have created a relationship dynamic in which they have deeply and silently withdrawn while "going through the motions" of the relationship itself.

This deep inner withdrawal, when it occurs, serves the individuating function of Venus retrograde, for it creates a psychological condition of deep inner reflection, examination, and questioning that can and will be applied as some future point in such an individual's evolution. Furthermore, around twenty percent or so of the Venus retrograde individuals that I have counseled have had no relationships of an intimate nature whatsoever.

As a preexisting pattern, the Venus retrograde person has already learned, or is focused on learning, the polarity point or sign of the natal Venus in the birth chart. This is important to understand because the archetypal themes of Venus in the different signs or houses will be oriented to quite differently when Venus is retrograde. It is also important to understand that Venus retrograde individuals desire to continually grow or evolve within themselves. They are never comfortable with reaching a degree of comfort in their lives, and stopping their growth because of that comfort. As a result, when they are in a relationship, they desire a partner who also demands and needs to evolve and grow from within themselves. In addition, because the Venus retrograde person internalizes the Venus function (the Taurus side of Venus), they also desire a partner who is self-empowered, selfsustaining, and self-reliant.

These qualities will be quite necessary in the partner if there is to be a successful relationship, since the Venus retrograde person typically is quite silent and withdrawn in relationships, and relates to their partner, or others generally, only as necessary. Thus, they need a partner who is self-secure, so that when these periods of silence occur the partner does not project onto them something that has nothing to do with them.

Karmically and evolutionarily speaking, the Venus retrograde person reflects a situation in which they are necessarily repeating or reliving past life relationship dynamics in the current life. The specific nature of those dynamics are reflected in the following indicators:

.. The house and sign that retrograde Venus is in.
.. The nature of the aspects that Venus is making to other planets.
.. The nature of the planets that Venus is forming aspects to.
.. The nature of the houses that these aspected planets are in.
.. The nature of the houses that the signs Libra and Taurus occupy.

Venus retrograde also means that these people are karmically and evolutionarily determined to re-meet key people that they have known in other lifetimes in which something has not been finished or resolved. The intention is for final resolution of these circumstances in order for a new evolutionary cycle to begin. If you are a counseling astrologer, this point is necessary to understand because many people who have Venus retrograde can be quite frustrated because they seem to be in an ever-repeating loop of relationship dynamics with no way out. By helping such people understand the larger picture of why this is occurring, and that there will be a release from this requirement at some point, they can begin to come to terms with these karmic and evolutionary conditions in their lives.

At this point, I would like to provide a description of the general archetypal themes of Venus in its natal sign, which will correlate to the preexisting pattern of inner/outer relatedness. I will also address its polarity sign, which will allow these pre-existing patterns to evolve into a new way of inwardly relating to oneself. This, in turn, will change the types of people we attract into our lives. Please understand that these are general descriptions of Venus in specific signs that are not conditioned by any other factor such as aspects, the house that Venus is in natally, one of the four natural evolutionary conditions, or the specific evolutionary/karmic axis in the birth chart as symbolized the Pluto, its polarity point, or the South and North Nodes with their respective planetary rulers. These are all factors which must be considered for any complete and accurate analysis.

   This is wonderful.

   In my experience, people have trouble understanding the difference between their moon (egocentric structure) and their inner Venus (relationship to themselves.)

   The clarification and explanation can be tremendously healing, especially since the sign on the 2nd house cusp relates to how we (sometimes subconsciously) assure our very survival!

   Please keep the thread going - it will help a lot of us.

All,

So we continue on. We will discuss what the Nodal Axis of Venus correlates too, and then we will be using an example Soul as an example to understand the real life application of all the dynamics and archetypes that have been presented until now.

The South Node of Venus, by house, sign, and aspects to it correlate to all the dynamics and archetypes that have been presented thus far as they apply to the past of the Soul that have been brought forwards into the current life. All of those dynamics and archetypes are that which the Soul has already created. Thus, they are what the Soul already knows relative to those dynamics and archetypes. As such all of them apply to the current life that the Soul has created in it's ongoing evolutionary Journey. That apply to the current life Venus.

The current life Venus by house, sign, and aspects correlate to the ongoing evolution of the Soul coming into the current life: a evolution from the past. The current life Venus thus is defined by it's South Node as well as all the archetypes and dynamics that correlate with the sign and house that it is in, and all the aspects that it forms to other planets and the Nodes of those planets.

The N.North Node of Venus correlates to the ongoing evolutionary journey of the Soul relative to all the archetypes and dynamics that the sign and house of the N.Node of Venus is in, plus the aspects that it is forming to other planets and their Nodes. The natal Venus is affected by this North Node as an inner sense of being 'pulled' forwards in combination with the archetypes of the natal Venus itself.

This is of course how evolution occurs. What we call the moment, or the current life, is a function of the past interfacing with the future in ANY MOMENT IN TIME. That moment in time is the current life Venus that is being conditioned and defined by not only it's own house, sign, and aspects, but it's North and South Nodes.

So we will now use an example of a real life person to begin to understand all of this: all of what has been presented before.

This will be the life of Amelia Earhart.

Attached is her natal chart in which you can see the natal Venus, and it's Nodal Axis. Read carefully this short biography, and then click on the link to an extended biography. If you really want to learn this stuff this is how it's done: correlation and observation.

So read these things and make your own observation and correlations relative to all the dynamics and archetypes that we have been presented. Within this focus on what her inner relationship to herself was, and, most importantly, WHY.

As you begin to learn how to do this kind of EA you will also be able to apply it to yourself, and any other that you wish too.

Here is that short biography:

American aviator pioneer and author, an historic adventurer in her 16-year-career. Called "Lady Lindy", she received the distinguished Flying Cross and her jaunty, daredevil courageous ways captured the public's imagination. She was the first woman to obtain an aviator's license, the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic, from Newfoundland to Ireland in 1932 and the first woman to fly across the U.S. and back by Autogiro. She set many speed and distance records including reaching 14,000 ft. altitude before her around-the-world flight in 1937 when she mysteriously disappeared over the Pacific, with no trace of her plane ever being found after she lost radio contact.

Earhart was a nurse, author, social worker and fashion designer. She spent her first 13 years living with strict maternal grandparents. The family included an alcoholic father, a repressed mother and a younger sister. Earhart was a natural leader in childhood games and activities, and she was known to keep her own counsel. She finished high school in Chicago where her dad finally abandoned his family. Her parents divorced in 1924. With the help of her mom's family, she entered a Philadelphia finishing school, but soon dropped out to begin a ten-year search for a path of her own. She had volunteered to be a war nurse in Toronto, and in preparation, spent a year as a pre-med student at Columbia. From the time she made her first flight with a barnstormer in 1920, she was captivated. She dropped out of Columbia to work in California where she could take lessons and pawned everything she owned to buy an airplane.

In California she joined her reunited parents until she moved to Massachusetts at 29, where she began work at Denison House, a settlement house providing support for poor families: There, she taught children and organized community activities.

Next to flying, she had a great passion for books, and was an avid reader, feminist and wrote poetry. She organized a women's pilot association, taught at Purdue, championed social work, air safety and equality for women, and was in demand as a speaker. She wrote several books and many articles. She is the author of two books, "The Fun of it," published in 1932 and "Last Flight," based on some of her flight dispatches and passages, published in 1937 after her disappearance.

In 1931, Earhart married George Palmer Putnam, her publisher, a promoter, writer and former newspaperman, who guided the publicity surrounding her.

On 7/02/1937, she set out with co-pilot Fred Noonan on an around-the-world flight attempting to circumnavigate the globe along the Equator in a state-of-the-art Lockheed Electra. She and Noonan were on their way from New Guinea to a scheduled stopover on a tiny Pacific atoll of Howland Island. The last radio contact was at 8:55 A.M. local time on 7/02/1937. Theories have abounded since then regarding her disappearance, including one that she was a spy whose plane was shot down. Nothing as yet has been firmly substantiated.

An article in The London Sunday Times 7/15/2001 reported that a satellite photo of tiny Nokumaroro Island in the Pacific shows rusting metal in a coral reef offshore where fishermen are said to have found the wreckage of an airplane.

Here is the link to the extended biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart

So try to make your own observations and correlations relative to the natal Venus and it's Nodal Axis in her chart. Feel free to ask any questions of me you may have. We will be working with her chart in order to develop every more deeply and understanding of EA as it applies to these archetypes as we move along.

Amelia was in the 3rd Stage of Individuated evolution.

God Bless, Rad

To view the chart simply click on the 'jpg' and it will fill your screen

All,

We will continue on with our thread as soon as possible. It remains a very busy time in EA with many projects needing tending too. We should be able to continue on in about a week's time. For those who are serious please reflect on Amelia's natal Venus and it's Nodal Axis. This is where we will be picking this up from next. If you have any observations/ questions please feel free to ask, and I will tend to that as quickly as I can.

God Bless, Rad

All,

Ok, so we will begin our journey together in understanding Venus and it's Nodal Axis as it applies to the life/ birthchart of Amelia Earhart.

We will do this slowly, one step at a time, so that if you have any questions along the way you can ask them as they occur. This will hopefully keep us all clear as we move along.

So, first, we will discuss the fact that her S.Node of Venus is in Virgo in the 5th House, and it is conjunct her natal Mars and Jupiter. With those planets on her S.Node these correlate to dynamics within her Soul that have been actualized prior to the current life. As such they correlate to pre-existing dynamics within her inner relationship to herself that will continue to define and condition her consciousness coming into the current life. With the S.Node of Venus being in Virgo in the natural Leo house, conjunct these two planets, her inner relationship to herself will also involve how she relates to others as result, how she listens to others, how others listen to her, how they correlate to her natural survival abilities and the inherent resources her Soul has to affect it's own survival, how those survival capacities correlate to the inherent resources she has to affect her own survival, how this then contributes to what she values, and how those values correlate to a deep inner sense of the real meaning for her life. In turn all of these will then correlate to what she naturally wants to give to others, and how that giving manifests. Within this how how want to give to her, and what he way of receiving what others wants to give manifests.  

The first point to remember in EA is that the house that any given symbol is in is the baseline upon which all all else is referred too. Thus, with her S.Node of Venus being in the natural Leo house, the 5th House, her Soul's inner relationship to itself manifests as an intense, it's a natural fixed house, desire to creatively actualize itself to it's fullest capacity. As such her Soul will inwardly relate to itself like an artist approaches a canvas with the brush in hand, ready to begin that new painting.

And that painting requires a total freedom that is rooted in a kind of necessary narcissism, 5th House, so that the freedom created through that narcissism allows the brush strokes of it's ongoing life, it's painting, to take place. Thus, the Soul's inner relationship to itself is one of self empowerment. The Soul will inwardly feel, inwardly relate, to a deep inner sense that is has something special to do, something special to accomplish.

Combining this with the archetype of Virgo, naturally ruled by Mercury, this will then manifest as ideas and thoughts as to what is special for her to do: of how and what resources she has had in past lives coming into the current life that allow this inner sense of a special destiny to take shape in brush strokes of her life.

We will pick this up again in two days time. So if you have any questions about the above ask them now before we move along. And, of course, you can examine your own life, your own birth chart, by focusing on your own S.Node of Venus is the ways that we are examining through the life of Earhart.

God Bless, Rad  

All,

So with her natal Mars and Jupiter conjunct her S.Node of Venus in Virgo in the 5th House this will also correlate to the archetypal dynamics within her Soul's consciousness of how it has related to itself by way of how those archetypes have contributed to her Souls sense of meaning, of what it valued, of what it needed in order to actualize it's inner sense of having a special destiny to fully actualize: what the prior life brush strokes have been upon the canvas of her recent lifetimes.

With Mars and Jupiter in Virgo in the natural Leo house this had manifested as an almost absolute need for freedom and independence in order to act upon the desires that would lead to the full actualization of herself. Thus, she would naturally need and value freedom and independence in her relationships with others. She would not accept any confining conditions defined by others needs. Her Soul has the deep inner need and spirit of adventure, of acting upon any instinct and desire that would allow her to discover something about herself. Combined with Jupiter this correlates with and intense restlessness that would need almost constant motion in acting upon all the desires she would manifest by way of fulfilling those desires.

In combination these have correlated with an intense desire and need for knowledge and information about the nature of what life is, and is not. Her Soul valued and needed knowledge of just about anything in a generalized sense. Thus, the reading of books, seeking out one type of adventure after another, of exploring different lands and cultures, and the philosophical considerations of the very meaning of life itself. This would manifest in the way she would naturally want to talk with others, of what the very nature of what she would naturally want to talk about. Thus, the nature of her conversations. With Jupiter on her S.Node of Venus this correlated to a deep, intuitive, thinker whose primary orientation within herself was upon the right brain: the intuitive. This intuitive capacity would thus be applied to the deductive right brain in which problem solving in whatever venue of life she was focused upon at whatever time would take place.

Her Soul would have desired to be of service to others, to help others in a variety of ways. In essence, by actualizing herself in the fullest possible ways she knew, and desired, that in so doing this would help others in a variety of ways because of the very nature of the lives she desired to live. She had a very deep and intuitive ability to listen to others in what they needed, and to help others problem solve whatever it is that they needed in their own lives. Her pioneering inner focus thus manifesting at helping others solve problems and issues in their own lives in different, unique, and new ways. She naturally could help others THINK IN NEW WAYS.

Those new ways would then of course, given her evolutionary condition of being in the 3rd level of the individuated evolutionary state, would also attract to her criticisms from others who were bound up in the consensus ways of doing anything. Yet because of her degree of evolution she would intuitively know, philosophically understand, why that sort of thing was happening. As a result, she would simply carry on anyway.

Above all else in these symbols she would value honesty, and a natural kind of humility because her Soul knew that, inwardly felt, that she was but one brush stroke from the Master Painter Of All Things. She had her own, private, inner relationship to that Master Painter in which she intuitively knew her Soul was being used by that Painter as a vehicle to help and inspire others to break free the conditions of their own lives in some way.

We will pick up in a few days time. If you have any questions at this point just ask.

God Bless, Rad

All,

Some time ago now we used to do chart of famous people using the EA paradigm. One of those charts was Amelia Earhart. Those charts are exhaustive understandings of their Soul dynamics starting with the underlying EA paradigm for all charts that allows for a core understanding of the evolutionary journey of a Soul.

For those who are serious in understanding Earhart's core evolutionary journey, which is the basis of WHY her Venus and it's Nodes are in the houses, sign, and making the aspects that they do, I would highly recommend you read through the chart analysis of her in that thread. Please click here to do so: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=544.285 .

When you click this link you will first see the chart and bio of Earhart. Keep scrolling down and you will see the different folks who made the effort to do a correct EA analysis of her evolutionary journey.

We will pick this up again in a few days time.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will pick this up again on May 23rd.

God Bless, Rad

All,

So we will now continue on. Her S.Node of Venus which is conjunct her natal Mars and Jupiter in the 5th House are all squared by Pluto, Moon, Venus, Neptune, Ceres, and the N.Nodes of Mars and Uranus in the 2nd House. All of these correlate to her inner relationship to herself that has manifested, prior to the current life as Amelia, as her Soul's desire and need to be as absolutely self sufficient, and self sustaining, as it would be possible to be. To become as self sufficient and self sustaining as possible her Soul developed an inner relationship with itself in which it desired to discover and actualize every possible inner resource within itself to do so. Those resources started with her intense intellectual and mental capacities to learn about whatever it is that she wanted to learn about in such a way as to make what she was learning her own. By making it her own thus manifested as all kinds of learned abilities and capacities that occurred over many, many lifetimes. Coming into the life as Earhart all those learned abilities and capacities would, because of the dominance of all the Gemini planets in the 2nd House that are squaring her S.Node of Venus conjunct her Mars and Jupiter, with 'inherent resources' that her Soul was born with to affect her own self reliance, self sustainment, and self empowerment.

Those inherent resources would of course be valued by her, and constitute the core of her sense of meaning for living. This sense of meaning for living life itself would also be inwardly defined, actualized, with her Soul, it's inner relationship to itself, through the dynamics of wanting, desiring, to give to others, to empower others, to help others in various ways. In this way she had, in prior lives coming into the current life, learned to relate to others. She could naturally listen to and hear the underlying realities of others, and what they needed because of. Her Soul's inner relationship to itself was defined by an intense need to be of service and help to others in the ways that those others actually needed.

At the same time her Soul needed, again, total freedom to act upon her own desires that correlated with the inner ongoing sense of self discovery: self actualization. Thus, juggling the inner balls of wanting to help and serve others in various ways while as the same time creating conditions in which she would or could feel entrapped in those ways: this is the squares from all the Gemini planets to her S.Node of Venus conjunct her Mars and Jupiter. Thus cyclically creating crisis's in action, and crisis's in consciousness: the first and last quarter squares.

Thus, she would cyclically want to change those conditions by thinking of new/ other ways to help people, and acting upon her own inner need for adventures of various kinds. Prior the to the current life her Soul had already become a 'dare devil' relative to such adventures in which she would always push against the limits of whatever the activity defined by the nature of the adventure was. She had already created early life endings prior to the life of being Earhart because of this: traumatic endings. The symbols for this are the N.Node of Mars and the N.Node of Uranus being conjunct not only her Moon/Pluto/Ceres/Venus/Neptune but those also being square her S.Node of Venus conjunct the Mars and Jupiter. Thus, with these N.Nodes of Mars/Uranus being conjunct and to her natal Gemini planets,  and square the S.Node of Venus conjuncting the Mars/ Jupiter, this is one of the ongoing evolutionary lessons or teachings that her Soul's inner relationship to itself has brought forwards into the life as Earhart. Within the core karmic / evolutionary lesson/ intention is to come to an inner realization as to WHY she has needed to push the limits in these ways, remembering the the archetype of limitations is Scorpio, Pluto, and the 8th House.

We will pick up in a few days time. If you have any questions at this point please ask.

God Bless, Rad

thanks to all the moderators for this wonderful opportunity.

   regarding Ms. Earhart's chart: Could I please start with the ruler of her 2nd house? (Being Venus in the second house, in Gemini.) It seems that her natural voice would be one of self-survival and self-acceptance, to the extent that she would naturally inspire the instinct and will to survive, relate, and be resourceful, to others. This would be the electro-magnetism that she projects, and she would attract others of similar vibration, encouraging their inner sense of security and self-sufficiency (and not co-dependence on others).

   With Venus also ruling her first house, it seems as if her sense of independence is an instinctual desire to further and heighten her knowledge of and relationship to self to claim self respect and confidence during this lifetime. She must realize, on a soul level, that to evolve her soul is to truly assure her survival, in the big picture, and I think it's possible that she called upon her animal instincts (not her instruments) during the last moments of her life.

   It seems to me that what is most crucial to her survival, sanity, and sense of self-meaning is the realization that she has to stand on her own two feet and take care of herself. It also seems that she is finding the fortitude and strength to tackle the dreams of her heart during this lifetime (Mars conjunct Jupiter in the house of self-actualization). It's something that she must endeavor on a soul level, and it takes a peculiar courage that may not be evident in very many people.

   With Venus in Gemini, in the 2nd house, she would be learning new ways of relating to herself, perhaps venturing out of her comfort zone, during this lifetime, to explore all manner of new information, study and career pursuits that, have here-to-fore been relegated to males.

   She would incline herself to listen to and study all manner of methodology and technique that would allow her to seek her highest dreams of freeing herself from old information and old tapes (of how a 'good girl' should act) in an insatiable search for more, new information of an non-verbal, intuitive sense (Sagittarius polarity point in 8th house). It seems she is searching for an internal compass, and with her N.N. in Aquarius in the 10th house, her life has become metaphor with a light-house to those who dare to break the mold, and attempt their dreams in order to free-up and evolve their very soul.

   Venus in Gemini would cause her inner dialogue to be very important and would, of course, attract others who are searching for a deeper relationship with themselves in order to better understand those around them. This natural curiosity concerning relationships would further her 'natural selection' in partners and, I believe, enhance her inner immunity - and strength to survive (while at the same time encouraging others to venture out and explore relationship outside of their comfort zone - and also above the tangible realms of the earth.)

    One of the examples that I've always used for Venus in Gemini is that of a little blind child in a backyard, and the neighbor child climbing over the fence and saying 'hi!'. This signature seems to instigate self-awareness in the individual and the passion to explore the world with the encouragement that true friendship and lasting bonds bring. Her life and passion for it would be infectious, and she would remain a touch-stone and symbol of personal liberation even after being liberated from her physical body.

   

Hi Marty,

Thanks for making the effort to contribute to this thread. All that you shared is quite accurate.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on. One of the archetypes that the 2nd House, Taurus, and the inner side of Venus correlates too relative to survival issues is the instinct in all forms of life is sexuality: the instinct to procreate. In humans this manifests as not only the instinct to procreate the species but also the inner orientation to the sexual instinct within themselves: how each relates to themselves, their inner relationship, to their own unique sexual nature.

That inner orientation thus correlates with their sexual needs and desires, and what meaning sexuality has for each. The meaning that each human gives to their sexual nature and needs in turn correlates to their sexual values. In combination this then becomes the determinants of sexual selection/ attraction of other humans who will reflect and share the same inner orientation that each human has. This inner orientation that each human has that then determines this natural selection process also correlates to the nature of the pheromones that each human emits. The nature, scent, of such pheromones thus becomes the basis of attraction or repulsion to other humans. The pheromones in combination with the Soul structure of each Soul thus constitutes the elector-magnetism that each human manifests that in total correlates with this natural sexual selection process between humans.

So looking into Amelia's chart we can see the dominant 2nd House that she has with all those planets in Gemini including Venus conjunct Neptune. Both of these are inconjunct her Saturn/ Uranus in Scorpio in the 7th House, Venus ruled naturally, and of course their planetary ruler is Pluto which comes right back to her natal Pluto in the 2nd house.  The North Nodes of Mars and Uranus are conjunct all these planets as well. Mercury is the natural planetary ruler for these Gemini planets, and it is also the ruler of her S.Node of Venus in Virgo in the 5th house. Her natal Mercury is in Leo in her 4th House, conjunct her Sun and the Lunar South Node.

With Mercury being in her 4th House conjunct the Lunar South Node this means that her Soul has, given her evolutionary condition, 3rd stage individuated, has desired to actualize and integrate in inner male and female archetypes into an androgynous whole. This is reinforced by the fact that her Soul structure is in Gemini: duality. With her Pluto also conjunct her Moon, the egocentric structure the Soul creates for itself in each life, also in Gemini this desire to actualize and balance her inner male and female into an androgynous whole could not be more clear since they also square her S.Node of Venus in the 5th, creative self actualization but also her natal Mars and Jupiter: the truth of who her Soul is in general that includes her sexual nature.

Remembering that the 2nd House, Taurus, and the inner side of Venus correlate to the archetype of self reliance, self sustainment, and learning how to take care of our own needs this manifests sexually as the need for masturbation in the human life form. So for Amelia we can see, relative to her inner relationship to herself, that at it's core is the need for masturbation as a vehicle to know herself, relate to herself, love herself, and to release the intense cyclic build up of her emotional and intellectual nature. It was a vehicle for her to access, experience, and actualize her inner male and female into an androgynous whole.

With all those planets in Gemini she would also be watching or observing herself during the act of masturbation as this then correlates to learning, knowledge, about herself: the act of observing or watching herself while masturbating. She would of course have thought a lot, been curious about, sexual dynamics in general. Given her desire of all kinds of knowledge in order to expand her consciousness in general, this would also have included thinking about or learning about all kinds of ways of how sexuality has been expressed by humans in other countries, other races, around the world.

Given her evolutionary state the inconjuncts from the Saturn/Uranus conjunction in Scorpio in her 7th to her Neptune/ Venus conjunction, the ruler of her Pluto, she would have naturally rebelled, valued, against the traditional / patriarchal norms and expectations of whatever society her Soul was born into for a very long time in her evolutionary history: whether her Soul was born male or female. As Amelia she would thus value sexual independence manifesting as a rejection of the traditional ways of how women and  men were expected to be confined within the roles as defined by the patriarchal consensus of the country of birth: America.

This is why she became a champion of, in her own way, women's rights and trying to encourage women to actualize themselves: their sense of self worth, purpose, and to be treated equally by the dominant male society. She valued this for it constituted for a core sense of meaning for her entire life.

We will pick this up in a few days time. If you have any questions please ask now.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will pick this up tomorrow: June 7th.

God Bless, Rad

All,

So we will continue on. Given her evolutionary condition with her Venus/Neptune conjunction to that Saturn/Uranus in Scorpio in her 7th, ruled naturally by her 2nd house Pluto conjunct the Moon in Gemini, and remembering too those are conjunct her N.Nodes of Mars and Uranus, the natural rebellion she had towards the traditional, patriarchal, ways for men and women to be in relationships would also have manifested sexually as her wanting to be on top of the man during intercourse. Being on top was to be in control. This is restated with her Lunar North Node being in the 10th house, in Aquarius, ruled by that Uranus in Scorpio conjunct Saturn.

These symbols in conjunction with her Moon/Pluto also squaring her S.Node of Venus conjunct the natal Mars and Jupiter also correlate to the types of men she would naturally attract. These men sexually would be highly excitable to the point of having their nerves, Gemini, Mercury, Uranus, being so stimulated that it would typically cause them to orgasm very, very quickly. This would not only be a source of frustration for Amelia, but of course, for the men themselves. Because of the high degree of mental energy within Amelia's consciousness, always thinking or considering something, some new direction, plan, and so on, her emotional/ sexual needs would also require a longer, more sustained, sexual exchange with a man in order to go beyond that mental state within her. The sustainment she needed would correlate to sustained intensity wherein that sustained intensity would, for a while, break down all that mental energy. Then she could feel/ experience a temporary state of emotional relaxation: her N.Node of Venus being in Cancer ruled by that Moon/Pluto conjunction which in turn is ruled by that Mercury in Leo in the 4th conjunct her Lunar S.Node, and the Sun.

So to be on top was also to be able to control the motion involved during intercourse wherein she would try to keep the man going before orgasms as long as she could.

Within these symbols we can also understand that the type of men she needed, and would attract, would also be men who had a very strong inner sense of their own femininity. That inner femininity within these types of men also meant they had strong needs to access their own emotions. Thus to be orientated towards the type of women that Amelia was: to be in control, independent, and on top. The inconjunct from that Saturn/Uranus to her natal Venus/Neptune, etc, could cause these men to create a kind of crisis for themselves relative to having quick orgasms. Amelia would thus try to calm or sooth them during the act of intercourse with her words.

I am attaching the birth chart of George Putnam, whom became her husband, so that you can see exactly how she naturally attracted him, and him to her, because of their natures equaling needs. Examine closely the South Nodes of Venus and Mars in both their charts, and the links to one another through synastry. And, yes, Putnam's Moon was in Taurus: the need to be with a self empowered, self reliant, partner because of his own evolutionary needs. He said to her something like "you are the star, and I am but the stardust in your wake'.

Yet, in the end, this would always lead back to the fact that her first, and primary, lover was herself. And even though she would have an intense sexual curiosity with all those planets she would also have been very basic about her sexual expression/ needs: meat and potatoes, so to speak. She of course in these symbols needed cleanliness, and physical fitness within her male partners.

Because of her evolutionary state, and her ongoing evolutionary journey, we can also see in these symbols  that her Soul would have been naturally bi-sexual. This of course manifested in all the various ways that she naturally championed women's self empowerment, and independence. Thus, she naturally valued strong and independent women in general. She could naturally relate to the oppressed women by trying to help them discover and actualize their own natural ways of trying to break free from the shackles that bound them.

Her inner relationship to herself was also about the knowing of the fact that she had become famous, and icon, within the patriarchal world: her S.Node of Venus conjunct Mars, Jupiter in the 5th House and squaring her natal Pluto, Moon, Venus/conjunct Neptune in the 2nd House, and the ruler of the S.Node of Venus being in Leo conjunct the Sun and Lunar South Node. In a few days time we will pick this up. If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

All,

So let's pick up where we left off. It should be clear at this point that Amelia's orientation to relationships in general was one of equality between men and women. This is demonstrated by her natural evolutionary condition, 3rd stage individuated, as well as this being symbolized by her S.Node of Venus being in Virgo in the 5th conjunct her Jupiter and Mars, and these then squaring her Moon, Pluto, N.Node of Mars and Uranus, her natal Venus conjunct Neptune all in the 2nd house, and that Venus/Neptune inconjunct her Saturn/Uranus conjunction in /Scorpio in the 7th. Uranus is the natural ruler as well of her North Lunar Node being in Aquarius in the 10th.

As she told her husband George both would be the breadwinners in their marriage, and that she would not hold him to any patriarchal rule or law of being faithful to her, or her to him. That they were equals in their partnership. She also rebelled at her legal name being changed to his last name: she maintained her maiden name through her whole life. At that point in time this was a "˜radical' thing to do.

With all those symbols in mind we can see that her Soul was essentially inwardly defined by Natural Laws. Thus, men and women were inherently equal. This was her truth. Thus, she used the fact of her progressive fame, becoming a cultural icon, to try to balance the imbalance between men and women created by patriarchal cultures, and their religions. She did this by championing many, many causes for women.

She inwardly understood in an emotional yet objective, detached, way that by being an icon that she was to use that fact of her life as a vehicle to help others in their lives, and to also promote a variety of causes that could help move society itself forwards. At the same time with these symbols in mind she was also naturally humble, and shy. This natural shyness and humbleness simply added to her image as perceived by many in that it created credibility for that which she felt drawn to do.

With her N.Node of Venus being in Cancer in her 2nd and ruled by her Moon/Pluto/N.Nodes of Mars and Uranus we can also see the symbols of a women being the first do to many things, things that men "˜normally' would do in order to help balance the gender scales, to empower women to break free from the patriarchal shackles that bind them, but that, in the end, to how these symbols also correlate the ongoing evolutionary lessons of accepting the consequences for not being fully prepared to survive in the context of the various adventures that her Soul has been drawn to do: an ongoing lesson brought forth from previous lives.

In her desire to fly around the world there were various things and procedures that she did not either fully prepare for and/ or undermined relative to the overarching goal to fly around the world. It is this fact that then lead the breakdown in the "˜communication' between her and naval ships who were there to assist her in locating Howland Island to land upon. And that then lead to her death.

Yet, because of her death, her "˜legend', the icon of Amelia Earhart, grew even larger after her death. This is one of the meanings of her N.Nodes of Mars and Uranus being conjunct her Moon/ Pluto in Gemini in her 2nd House: the name of the ego her Soul created in the life of Amelia Earhart becoming larger after the physical life itself. This is also symbolized by her N.Node of Venus being trine her natal Saturn and Uranus in Scorpio in the 7th, with, again, that Uranus being the ruler of her Lunar North Node in Aquarius in her 10th House.

This is a true paradox of Uranus in her Soul's context: by not being fully prepared to survive by way of short cuts taken for the trip, by not fully understanding how the communication between the various radios worked, and other things along these lines such as navigational issues, she lost her life. Yet, at the same time, loosing her life in this way caused her Soul to become ever more "˜famous'. And in that "˜fame' the very symbol of her life, the champion of equality between the genders, the empowerment of women, became ever stronger as her name continue to live on and inspire so many relative to what her life was meant to be. In essence her Soul desired to actualize it's fullest abilities and capacities, even before this life, and, in so doing, desired that the recognition and "˜fame' that would occur BECAUSE OF THIS, could be used by others to inspire them to fully fulfill and actualize their own fullest abilities and capacities as well. The very essence of her Soul's inner relationship to itself was in fact defined by these desires.

It is interesting to see the symbols in her chart for being lost at sea. These very simply are her Chiron in Scorpio squaring her Lunar Axis which are conjunct the S and N Nodes of Neptune in Aquarius. She became lost through a lack of correct planning linked with navigation and direction that is symbolized by her N.Node in Aquarius in the 10th conjunct the S.Node of Neptune. This is then reinforced by the natal Uranus being in Scorpio conjunct Saturn, and these then inconjunct her natal Neptune/Venus conjunction in Gemini. As a result this created a crisis wherein the radio transmission, radio transmissions correlating with Gemini,  the 3rd House, Mercury, Aquarius and Uranus, were on the wrong frequency to be heard by the ships below. Within this is this fact: her natal Lucifer in conjunct her natal Mercury which are both conjunct her N.Node of Neptune. The transiting S. Node of Mercury was exactly conjunct her Lunar South Node, and her natal S.Node of Mercury.  Additionally, the transiting S.Node of the Moon was exact to the minute of her natal Pluto, and the transiting Lucifer was conjuncting her S.Node of Mercury by two degrees.

And for those who understand geodetic equivalents Howland Island correlates with 4 degrees of Libra. Amelia's South Node of Mars natally is at 11 Libra, and the transiting S.Node of Mars when her plane went down was at 8 degrees of Libra.  

If you have any questions please ask.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad and all,

There are such profound EA teachings throughout her story and in particular her Soul's intentions and inner relationships to herself, the why to her choices. Thank you Rad for all that you have offered here.

The timing of things never ceases to amaze me.

Transiting Mars, the planet of desire and the lead point in our evolution, is currently RX in Scorpio.
Mars was also RX in Scorpio when Amelia's plane took off for her FINAL around the world flight. Mars was at 23 degrees, which is where Mars will be when it stations direct the end of this month. We are nearly there now with Mars RX at 24 degrees.

The link to Scorpio for Amelia connects to fated events, and ultimately her death, Scorpio, being a means to empower others.

When Amelia started her initial flight around the world in Hawaii March 17, 1937, Mars was at 1 degree of Sagittarius....she lost control at take-off and had to send the plane back for repairs. She then went to Miami to begin her flight around the world when Mars was retrograde in Scorpio at 23 degrees. No one knows why, but she left behind important communication and navigation instruments. Perhaps it was to make room for additional fuel for the long flight.

She went missing when Mars was direct in Scorpio conjunct Saturn inconjunct Venus, the ruler of her chart and her South Node of Mars in Libra. Neptune in Gemini, Neptune in Virgo was square the Nodes, the tr SN was conjunct her Venus, ruler of her SN Mars.

March 17, 1937 - Tr Mars was at 1 Sagittarius - Amelia took off from Oakland on her all around the world attempt. After resting and refueling in Honolulu, the trio prepared to resume the flight. However, while taking off for Howland Island, Earhart ground-looped the plane on the runway, perhaps because of a blown tire, and the Lockheed was seriously damaged. The flight was called off, and the aircraft was shipped back to California for repairs.

Transiting Mars stations RX at 5 degrees of Sagittarius April 14 -  the plane is being repaired.
Mars back into Scorpio May 15

June 1,1937 - She and Noonan, her navigator she make a new around-the-world attempt, this time from west to east.  Mars was RX in SCORPIO at 23 degrees (the same degree it will be when it stations RX on June 29,2016 ~ 79 years later)

July 2, 1937 - Amelia's plane goes missing - Mars is DIRECT in Scorpio at 19 degrees.

See chart attached.

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Kristin,

Thanks for contributing that remarkable information.

God Bless, Rad

   Thanks to all for this remarkable opportunity.

   I would like to attempt an interpretation of Amelia Earharts' 7th house, ruled by Scorpio, with Uranus conjunct Saturn retrograde and Chiron all in the 7th house.

   With Pluto conjunct her moon in Gemini, also Venus and Neptune, in the 2nd house, it has already been suggested that she was gaining new self-knowledge and assurance, this lifetime, to propel her souls' journey into the depths of the unknown (8th house Pluto polarity point in Sagittarius) by way of expanding her intuitive abilities. Her curiosity toward her own sexual desires would also serve to expand her consciousness, as she explores, wonders and questions the status quo (Uranus and Saturn retrograde in Scorpio in the 7th). She is questioning and staring into all of the taboos of the early 20th century!

   She would necessarily attract to herself other individuals who are, perhaps, more erudite and better-schooled in physics and aerodynamics than herself, or more "˜intellectually' aware than herself. These people, in contrast, could have had the effect of penetrating to the weak link in her existing intellectual structure, so that very structure collapses, and induces the Sagittarian evolutionary intention. Of course, she would have had to compensate for her socially rebellious nature by pretending to fit in with polite society, to the extent that she could. Her cosmology would not have been welcomed during her time tho, particularlly given her gender.

   Charles "Lindy" Lindbergh had flown his "Spirit of St. Louis" flight across the Atlantic Ocean in 1926, and had been heralded a super-hero of near mythological proportions. With her Uranus conjunct Saturn, both retrograde, in Scorpio, 7th house, I believe she was willing to overturn this Patriarchal mythology and replace it with sexual, powerful, brilliant and rebellious female politics. That's Scorpio in the 7th - completely turning the power of sexual politics on its' pre-conditioned head!

   With her "˜Pluto moon', it seems to me that she is desperately seeking meaning and understanding beyond the constraints of linear teaching and thinking. Her Pluto polarity point in the 8th house, also, suggests a shaman's journey back to the indigenous roots of our current-day "˜civilization' (conjunct the South Node of Uranus), to retrieve inspiration and elucidation for today's world (moon in Gemini conjunct North Node of Uranus).

   Also, given Taurus on her 2nd house cusp, she would greatly value all manner of aerodynamic teaching that would help her take flight, and suspend that flight (Venus conjunct Neptune) in an attempt to release herself from the confines (and attitudes) of earthly gravity. The planetary ruler of her 2nd house cusp (Venus) seems to be seeking dialogue of a higher nature or spiritual communion with Creator by physically climbing to the higher altitudes. She must have been at peace up there.

   Uranus conjunct Saturn, retrograde, in Scorpio in the 7th house would suggest past-life memory of physical and psychological trauma. These memories would color her entire perspective of life, and would become basis for her reality structure. She could have been plagued by self-doubt, depression, superstition or re-occurring dreams (Uranus/Saturn inconjunct her moon/Pluto stellium) that she desperately wanted to rid from her psyche.

   It would seem that she was struggling to liberate herself from other peoples' forms of power and control, and to not be dependent on others peoples' fear-mongering psychology or tied by any sexual binds. She was learning to allow herself the freedom to follow her own personal desirous nature, her sexual instincts, and not what had been dictated to her via fear and manipulation in the past. Her love of self becomes her freedom.

   She's learning not to look for an authority figure in a partner, nor a source of higher inspiration. She can find that for herself in her relationship to Creator (Pisces rules her sense of ultimate meaning on the 12th house cusp.)

   With Chiron on the descendent, she must no longer succumb to societal pressure to be contained in a sexual relationship.  She would be seeking self-love, confidence and sustainment this lifetime in order to heal the sexual wounds of her past. And she would be seeking a self-assured, freedom-loving partner with an attitude of open relationship that would allow both the freedom necessary to explore their independent souls' desires (or not).

   Her Chiron seems to be a karmic wound, and she was willing to risk her very life, over the ocean, exploring the unknown to liberate herself from anyone else's' criticism, judgment or persuasion. Surely the 1st house, Taurus polarity of Uranus and Saturn would speak to this need for liberation of her deepest psyche to help resolve past life trauma. Historians may suggest that she was out to trump a world's record for the recognition that it would bring, but my "˜read' on it is that this was a personal journey that she knew, before-hand, might not be the best of odds.

   The expressions of androgyny can be seen repeatedly between her Pluto stellium in the 2nd house, her Mercury conjunct South Node and sun in Leo, and, of course, her Venus South Node on her Mars/Jupiter conjunction in Virgo, in the 5th house of self-actualization, self-realization and exhibition. It seems to me that she desired (Mars) on a soul level to, not only, support a woman's' right to support her dreams, but, also to speak her truth in a woman's body (Mars conjunct Jupiter in Virgo in the 5th), outside of liturgical restraint (Virgo). She is certainly re-programming old "˜tapes' of shame, guilt and denial in order to reclaim and regain her right to live, and to live fully, without apology (5th house).

   Her early biological environment may not have supported her right to speak her mind as a strong and passionate female. With the moon conjunct Pluto in the 2nd house in Gemini, and planetary ruler, Mercury conjunct South Node, this life's sun (and Lucifer) in Leo, it appears that she was summoning the strength within herself to reclaim her personal, autonomous authority (North Node in Aquarius 10th house), and quite effectively, re-birth herself.

   These expressions may well have been part of her personae (moon), having stemmed from a South Node perspective seeking to evolve into a more whole, complete, self-realized and actualized (Leo), and balanced (Uranus in 7th house inconjunct her moon) individual. Uranus retrograde would have an oblique effect on her moon and bring up trauma from speaking her mind, in culturally-unaccepted gender terms in prior lifetimes. This could have fed into self-doubt and low self-esteem.

   My past teacher, Robert Ghost Wolf, said that we would see more androgynous and cross-gender people with the advent of the new millennium. He said that each individual is unique, and is trying to express an unresolved part of themselves. In time, he said, gender identification would not be an issue, as more people realize that they contain both male and female within themselves. Ms. Earhart was a forerunner for those wanting to heal gender issues on a soul level, and wanting to rid themselves of the fear to do so.

   Her North Node of Venus in Cancer in the 3rd house is conjunct her North Node of Mercury and Vesta, and the North Node of Pluto and Saturn. She is a brave example of a woman attempting to harmonize the distortion perpetuated by Patriarchal belief systems, during the early 20th century, toward a more peaceful, enlightened, and egalitarian society. The South Node of Pluto is one degree away from her M.C., and the North Node of Pluto is one degree away from her I.C.

   Given that Ms. Earhart was 3rd Stage Individuated, I have to wonder if her Pluto Polarity Point in Sagittarius, in the 8th house, and her North node in Aquarius, in the 10th (with planetary ruler, Uranus, retrograde in Scorpio in the 7th), were an agreement between herself and Creator to quicken the evolution of all those who regarded her. If so, her journey across the curvature of the earth will continue through our memories, and through time, as a perennial reminder of the opportunity that we have as souls, to wake up in a body on this green earth.
   

Hi Marty,

Good for you that you have made an effort to contribute to this thread. Your analysis is very good. The only exception I would have is over stating her own sense of self doubt, and depression. Of course she had these dynamics yet there were being constantly interfaces with her desire to get on with things, to keep moving, keep adventuring, keep discovering, and so on. Thus, much more inherently optimistic and positive that the undermining of excessive self doubt/ depression. This is one of the meanings of her S.Node of Venus being conjunct Jupiter and Mars, her natal Amazon in Sagittarius reflecting the polarity point of her Pluto.

What is quite stunning is this fact as well: her natal LILITH is exactly conjunct, through geodetics, Howland Island !

God Bless, Rad

All,

I am wondering how many would now like to go through a step by step process to more fully understand how to integrate to EA usage of the North/South Nodes of a natal planet in your own chart and life ? We would do this in a very simple way, i.e. exampling a South Node of Venus in Aries or the first house. And then begin to add onto that as in exampling the planetary ruler of that by it's own house, sign. And then adding to that by way of aspects that that planetary ruler is making to other planets. And so on. One step at a time.

From there integrating that into the current house and sign of the natal Venus. And from there adding the N.Node of Venus utilizing the same one step at a time, adding onto, as we would have learned by starting with the S.Node of Venus.

For those interested please let me know.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,
I think it is a great idea. I'd be following this thread.
Thank you for always proposing new ways to learn more about EA.
God Bless, Gonzalo

Hi Rad,

Yes I would. Don't have much time but I'd do whatever I can.

thanks Upasika

hello Rad,

   I would be ecstatic to join in on a Venus Nodal Axis thread. What charts would we be choosing from? Thank you for this teaching and opportunity.

Hi,

I am so excited about the nodes, I would like to learn how to use them.

Maya

Hi Rad,

Thank you for the opportunity, count me in.

All the best

Hi Rad and All,
thank you! I will continue following this thread with much interest.

All the best,
Helena

Hi Rad and Everyone,

I appreciate deeply all that you share and have been continuing to follow this thread...

Heather

Hi Rad,

Love this idea for continuing on.

Count me in too!

Peace,
Kristin

Hi Rad, love to learn how to apply nodes of venus in chart, thank you for this opportunity.

Wei

Hi All,

What a great response. We will begin again on Monday, June 27th.

God Bless, Rad

All,

Let's begin very simply by having you examine the house and sign placement of your S.Node of Venus in your natal chart. Remember the house always comes first, the baseline or foundation of the chart, and then the archetypes that correlate to a planet, or Node, are added to that, synthesized, by way of the archetypes of both the sign that the Node, or planet, is in. So if you have S.Node of Venus in the 3rd house for example, and it is in the sign of Aries, you start the understanding of it by starting with the house itself. Then add to that the archetypes of, in our example, the S.Node of Venus which mean all the archetypes that apply to Venus itself, and how those archetypes have been actualized prior to the current life of your Soul, by being conditioned by the sign that the S.Node of Venus is in.

So a simple example of this would be this. A Soul, who prior to the current life, had an inner relationship to itself that involved the archetypes of desiring to discover and understand the diversity of life itself, 3rd house, that correlated to the Soul's inner sense of evolving into a brand new evolutionary cycle of development that demanded an essential freedom, Aries, in  order to act upon whatever desires it spontaneously has had that allowed the ongoing discovery and understanding of this diversity of what life is. In combination this then allowed to Soul to understand itself, it's inner relationship, to the world in which it was living.

This of course is a very simple example that we can expand upon later. For now please review what was written at the very beginning of this thread about all the archetypes that correlate with Venus. Apply all those archetypes to your S.Node of Venus by way of it's house locality, and the sign that it is in. Then reflect on your life in terms of your own actual life experiences relative to this archetypes by way of the root archetype that has integrated all the other archetypes; your inner relationship to yourself.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

What´s the deadline to submit the work?

Thank you

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Right now I am just asking those participating in this thread, at this stage, to do this on their own instead of submitting an analysis of themselves.

If any questions occur about how to do this as we go along in these next steps then of course I would welcome those questions.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

What could be the meaning of the South Node of Venus square the natal Pluto? I can imagine if the South Node of Venus is in Scorpio, conj. the South Node of Mars in the second house   square natal Pluto in 11 in Virgo , traumatic relationships were created by the soul in order to gain the self-reliance.

Maya

Hi Maya

"What could be the meaning of the South Node of Venus square the natal Pluto? I can imagine if the South Node of Venus is in Scorpio, conj. the South Node of Mars in the second house   square natal Pluto in 11 in Virgo , traumatic relationships were created by the soul in order to gain the self-reliance."

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Yes, that can be very true as well the Soul learning about the nature of human psychology in general, and it's own psychology specifically. Within this the inner causes, dynamics, as to why it has created the traumas in the first place which are directly embedded in Soul's relationship to itself. Such a Soul will of course come into life with deep inner fears of loss, abandonment, and betrayal that affect it's ability to totally trust others in general, and those is close emotional/ sexual relationships specifically: it's inner relationship to itself. Within this inner relationship to itself the Soul will come into life with unresolved emotional, psychological, and sexual traumas that are the causes of PTSD from birth.

Who is a friend, and who is not will be an ongoing karmic and evolutionary lesson due to this. Such a Soul is continuing to desire, coming into the current life, of how to 'objectify' itself, as well as to objectify the actual realities of others where objectification can only take place by detaching from the underlying emotions that bind the Soul to this or that person. In turn the Soul is still trying to objectify itself by detaching from it's own emotional body/ sexual body.

There are of course many other dynamics involved in these symbols: this is just a small example. Feel free to ask more. It is good that you are looking to the planetary ruler of the S.Node of Venus, and Mars. That, indeed, will be the next step as we progress in this thread.

God Bless, Rad

hi all,

   Could I ask about S.N. Venus in the 6th house in Aries? (6th hs. ruled by Pisces). Could this be an individual who has been experiencing past lives of devotion and God's work (service to others), and has been coming to the realization that they don't have to belittle themselves or suffer or feel guilt in order to be in relationship with Creator?

   It seems to me that their S.N. Venus would evolve thru fits and starts - sudden instinctual reactions that would propel themselves toward self-forgiveness and self-love. Once these self-revelations begin, it seems like the individual would continually challenge themselves toward spiritual exploration and a completely renewed sense of self in relationship to Creator. They would have wanted to reincarnate, this lifetime, to complete this revelation, and to summon strength to encourage others to seek this freedom of thought, etc.

   In this new-found relationship between themselves and Creator, it would instill self-confidence in the individual to begin the process of inspiring others to challenge pre-existing belief patterns and 'old tapes'.

   Sometimes when I see a similar signature, I think that the individual may have experienced religious persecution in a past-life, and it's safe to be born now.

   Thank you for your response.

   

Hi Marty,

"Could I ask about S.N. Venus in the 6th house in Aries? (6th hs. ruled by Pisces). Could this be an individual who has been experiencing past lives of devotion and God's work (service to others), and has been coming to the realization that they don't have to belittle themselves or suffer or feel guilt in order to be in relationship with Creator?"

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This could be true if the Soul has evolved into the Spiritual evolutionary condition.

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  "It seems to me that their S.N. Venus would evolve thru fits and starts - sudden instinctual reactions that would propel themselves toward self-forgiveness and self-love. Once these self-revelations begin, it seems like the individual would continually challenge themselves toward spiritual exploration and a completely renewed sense of self in relationship to Creator. They would have wanted to reincarnate, this lifetime, to complete this revelation, and to summon strength to encourage others to seek this freedom of thought, etc."

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They would have desired to continue in this new evolutionary direction: not complete it. This would be a relatively new evolutionary development that needs further evolution is the reason for this. Of itself this symbol, in the Spiritual evolutionary condition for the Soul, implies a breaking free, Aries, from the implied build up of guilt, and the need to atone for that guilt. Such guilt is a learned guilt manifesting from the various religions that the Soul would have orientated too in other lifetimes. Atoning for such guilt would have also have created a masochistic inner relationship to the Soul within itself. With the S.Node in Aries in the 6th this would then mean a recent desire within the Soul to break free, a new evolutionary cycle, from that type of inner relationship to the Soul.

Within this the Soul would have manifested a real desire to help and be of service to others by way of a work, a karma yoga, through which helping others in real and practical ways to improve the very nature of  their own existence.

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  "In this new-found relationship between themselves and Creator, it would instill self-confidence in the individual to begin the process of inspiring others to challenge pre-existing belief patterns and 'old tapes'."

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Yes

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 "Sometimes when I see a similar signature, I think that the individual may have experienced religious persecution in a past-life, and it's safe to be born now."

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Yes because the persecution, 6th House/ 12th House, Virgo/ Pisces archetypes, manifests from the nature of the religions that the Soul had orientated too in other lifetimes in which any deviation from the behaviors associated with the doctrine of those religions was transgressed. This could also manifest within the Soul's inner relationship to itself by way of self persecution for not being able to 'conform' to such doctrines and/ or for not being good enough, 'pure' enough, as compared to the 'ideal' religious person within  those religious doctrines. Another source of guilt that needed to be atone for. Thus a Soul who would be highly self critical of itself, and thus, by way of relating to others, critical of them: the implied 'shortcoming's' as compared to the ideal. The 'safe' to be born now comes from within the Soul itself by way of desiring to chose a life to break free from these dynamics.

And so on. There is much more.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I read through venus archetype in pluto book 2, try to get a basic idea by applying them to SN of venus, would you please correct me if i am in a wrong track, or give me any advice to understand it deeper?

SN of Venus conjunct Mercury/Saturn in 10th house Scorpio, MC is Scorpio, and SN of Venus/MC is in balsamic phase, 12 degrees apart (can i use phase relationship here?), natal Pluto is in 9th house Scorpio. (The focus on 10th house/9th house scorpio, i think the main lesson of soul's inner relationship/relationship with others would be transforming from distorted man made law to natural law, to create new self-image/judgement by natrual law?)

Does this signature mean Soul has been repeatedly reborn into the same country/culture for karmic reason, and the inner relationship has been heavily defined/structured by man made law of consensus state in this culture, through the trauma of losing power/voice in society or in relationship with powerful figure, soul has developed/absorbed intense judgement/self-judgement/guilt within, also depressed inner state/attitude towards life, defeated mind state because of the distorted man made law? Soul may also been born into both powerful status/powerless position, to experience both side, in order to exhaust the compulsive desire of gaining power outside itself/being attached to powerful figure/position?

With pluto in 9th house scorpio new phase to MC, soul has been trying to learn natural law, and understand human psychology in a metaphysical way, to intergrade into society/country/culture in a new way/create a new role?  Especially to understand the why of the distortion of man made law, and would be exposed to "dark side" of human psychology in relationships which reflect the lesson of inner relationship? Because SN of Venus conjunct Mercury/Saturn in 10th house scorpio, vocation/intense work is involved in this life time within society, find truth within, create new self image/inner relationship based on natural law, dissolve judgement/inner judgement/guilt built up from past, then find inner power/voice in society in a new way, maybe teach natural law/own truth to help others who has been traumatized by such man made law?

And i have question about 10th house/MC, does this correlate to the race/country/society soul is borned in this life time or wherever the soul is actually living? And what is "dark eros", i know it correlates to 10th house/capricorn, but never really get the idea, is there any very basic information about this?

When i'm leanrning SN of Venus archetype, some intuitive feeling comes to me, but it's so hard for me to put them in organized words, Thank you very much for reading through my messy writing..... thanks as always for your teaching.

Wei

Hi Wei,

"I read through venus archetype in pluto book 2, try to get a basic idea by applying them to SN of venus, would you please correct me if i am in a wrong track, or give me any advice to understand it deeper?

SN of Venus conjunct Mercury/Saturn in 10th house Scorpio, MC is Scorpio, and SN of Venus/MC is in balsamic phase, 12 degrees apart (can i use phase relationship here?), natal Pluto is in 9th house Scorpio. (The focus on 10th house/9th house scorpio, i think the main lesson of soul's inner relationship/relationship with others would be transforming from distorted man made law to natural law, to create new self-image/judgement by natrual law?)"

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Yes, you can use the phase relationship. And, yes, to your analysis but Venus is not the archetype of the Soul's self image/ego. That correlates to the Moon, Cancer, and the 4th House. The S.Node of Venus here would correlate to the meaning that the Soul is creating for it's life, how it inwardly relates to that sense of meaning, and how that sense of meaning is then related to others. The Saturn archetype does indeed correlate with the necessary judgements the Soul does need to make in this equation in order to define that meaning.

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"Does this signature mean Soul has been repeatedly reborn into the same country/culture for karmic reason, and the inner relationship has been heavily defined/structured by man made law of consensus state in this culture, through the trauma of losing power/voice in society or in relationship with powerful figure, soul has developed/absorbed intense judgement/self-judgement/guilt within, also depressed inner state/attitude towards life, defeated mind state because of the distorted man made law? Soul may also been born into both powerful status/powerless position, to experience both side, in order to exhaust the compulsive desire of gaining power outside itself/being attached to powerful figure/position?"

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Yes, to all of as being possible in the symbols you are asking about with the exception being repeatedly reborn into the same country/ culture for karmic reasons. It can correlate to that but does not, of itself, mean this would occur anytime we saw these symbols in a given birth chart.

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"With pluto in 9th house scorpio new phase to MC, soul has been trying to learn natural law, and understand human psychology in a metaphysical way, to intergrade into society/country/culture in a new way/create a new role?  Especially to understand the why of the distortion of man made law, and would be exposed to "dark side" of human psychology in relationships which reflect the lesson of inner relationship? Because SN of Venus conjunct Mercury/Saturn in 10th house scorpio, vocation/intense work is involved in this life time within society, find truth within, create new self image/inner relationship based on natural law, dissolve judgement/inner judgement/guilt built up from past, then find inner power/voice in society in a new way, maybe teach natural law/own truth to help others who has been traumatized by such man made law?"

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Yes except the connection you are making to the ego/ self image.

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"And i have question about 10th house/MC, does this correlate to the race/country/society soul is borned in this life time or wherever the soul is actually living? "

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Both.

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"And what is "dark eros", i know it correlates to 10th house/capricorn, but never really get the idea, is there any very basic information about this?"

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Yes, JWG did a whole lecture on this that is available on DVD from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Capricorn-Nature-Dark-Eros/dp/B01BW4FE0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467635878&sr=8-1&keywords=jeffrey+wolf+green+dvd+dark+eros . In essence, any natural sexual desire that is repressed by the Soul for whatever the reasons may be will create in inner compression around such desires that will then become distorted: dark eros.

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God Bless, Rad

All,

So the next step is to now locate, by house and sign, the planetary ruler of your S.Node of Venus. The archetypes that correlate with that nature of that planet, and the house that it is in, have been used by the Soul, your Soul, in the type of inner relationship to itself that it has needed relative to it's overall ongoing evolutionary journey: the entire Pluto paradigm. In essence that inner relationship to itself correlates to how it has gone about actualizing those underlying evolutionary needs and intentions.

In our initial simple example of the S.Node of Venus being in Aires in the 3rd house, above, we can now add to this by locating the planetary ruler of it, Mars, say in Sagittarius in the 11th House.

Relative to the underlying inner sense within the Soul of a new evolutionary cycle of development that required an essential freedom to act upon whatever desires the Soul had that allowed it to discover, and to begin to actualize, that new cycle of evolutionary development we can now see and understand that the Soul desired, needed, to find it's place in the world at large: the 11th House.

The Soul would have inwardly felt, it's inner relationship, to be different: something unique about itself. Thus, the Soul would have desired to initiate a diversity of relationships will all kinds of people in order to enter into dialogues that allowed it to bring into itself all kinds of information, from all kinds of sources. The Soul then would have instinctively reacted to such a diversity of information by so many sources wherein the instinctual reactions would toss out, throw out, rebel, against any of that information, and the types of people that this information came from, that the Soul could not accept.

That which the Soul would accept would then directly correlate to the ongoing process of self discovery relative the new evolutionary cycle being developed. In turn this would manifest of discovering what other Soul's were of 'like mind' that would then not only constitute it's social circle, but also finding it's place within the total diversity of the type people in the world itself: where to fit in.

With the Mars being in Sagittarius this would have manifested as an intense inner restlessness fueled by the need for an essential freedom. This restlessness being fueled by the need for an essential freedom would have caused the Soul to seek out all kinds of ways  of understanding life itself: the various belief systems of human beings manifesting all over the planet. Thus, the Soul's inner relationship to itself coupled with what constitutes the very meaning for it's life, the S.Node of Venus, would have been actualized by trying to discover philosophies, and the cultures they whatever philosophies manifest from, that the Soul could inwardly call it's own. Thus inner and outer traveling, the inner equaling the mind by way of the S.Node of Venus being in the 3rd House, and the outer equaling the 3rd House as well but now in combination with the Mars being in Sagittarius in the 11th House.

Because of these dynamics the Soul would relate to others who also valued independent thinking, freedom of thought. The Soul would naturally want to relate to others of like mind in this way.

Remembering that the inner side of Venus, Taurus, and the 2nd house correlate to the sexual instinct in humans that is rooted in the need to survive, procreate, with the S.Node of Venus being in the 3rd house with Mars it's ruler in Sagittarius in the 11th, the Soul's inner relationship to it's sexual nature would have manifested as instinctual sexual attractions to many different types of people. Within this, the Soul would have begun an evolutionary journey of sexual self discovery by way of manifesting a keen sexual curiosity at all the different and various ways that sexuality can manifest in human form. Thus, being attracted to all the different ways of being sexual by way of the various types of humans beings: Mars in the 11th. The sexual practices of the various cultures and races on Earth would fuel this curiosity. The desire and need for sexual freedom in order to be able to explore itself would cause the Soul to resist, especially in the beginning of it's life, sexual commitments to anyone. Being sexual once with someone would be just fine with this Soul for example.

This is just a simple example that could of course be expanded upon. So right now locate the planetary ruler of your own  S.Node of Venus by house and sign to determine what your inner relationship to yourself has been, and why. Connect this to the underlying EA paradigm in your birth chart in order to understand why you have needed that type of inner relationship in order to act upon that underlying evolutionary paradigm.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Does this symbol:SN of Venus conjunct Saturn in 10th house Scorpio necessarily indicate soul has formed intimate relationship with father/father figure of this life time? If not, would you please give me some hint, how does this soul's inner relationship affect the relationship with father?

Thanks

hi Rad,

   thank you for your earlier response to my SN Venus in Aries, 6th house questions (Pisces ruling the 6th house). Considering that this individual is either in, or transitioning to, 1st Stage Spiritual, this lifetime I feel it's possible that this could be someone who may have experienced religious zealotry, martyrdom, or fanaticism in a past life and may have self-identified (Aries) with this image of themselves.

   This image could be especially strong due to the 'dutiful' nature of the 6th house and the implied guilt, shame and self-denial that may accompany such a signature. These mental parameters could have especially entrapped the mind in a cloud of futility and hopelessness, and the feeling that they must continue to atone, repent, or have more faith in order to be free of such thoughts. This then creates its' own endless loop, eroding self confidence and self esteem leading to the edge of masochism.

   Planetary ruler of SN Venus in Aries is Mars retrograde in Scorpio, 1st house. As difficult as that signature is, I feel that it is a symbol of the evolutionary necessity that this individual must experience in order to find such inner rage as to want to cast off the shackles and fly in the face of religious patriarchal conditioning. Mars retrograde in Scorpio in the first house seems like a 'do or die' situation, and contains the necessary releasing of anger in order to confront the very platitudes that held the soul (Scorpio) in bondage for so long. It looks like this individual reincarnated (Mars) with a specific purpose to test God, i.e. "will you strike me down if I refuse the myth of original sin?"

   Scorpio rules the 2nd house which tells me they would have a fierce determination to live this lifetime and not want to suffer or jeopardize their life force. They would want to become self-confident, self-sufficient and find self-love. They would also want to explore the taboos of sexuality that would have been 'off limits' to even suggest in past-life circumstances. (But we can't put a lock and key on our minds, especially during the dreamtime). This 'lock and key' could have developed engrained patterns of distortion, self-doubt, anger, resentment, etc., but with Scorpio ruling the 2nd house it would be busted wide open this lifetime. Their natural voice, when finally found and owned, would be one of intensity that would seek open communion between themselves and their god - finally free of lifetimes of mental repression and self-denial.

   With the Mars / Scorpio symbolism, it seems as if this individual was born with the instinct to evolve their very soul (almost like making up for lost time) and they would naturally radiate this magnetism to others. They have Pluto in Leo in the 10th (experiencing vacillation between societal power and powerlessness, but seeking emotional highs-and-lows this lifetime instead), and SN Leo, 11th house (beginning the individuation process) and NN Aquarius 5th house (developing the creative mind, stretching the limits of what is 'known' and what the mind can comprehend, and seeking the warmth and freedom of like-minded individuals.)

   Thank you for your time - your insight and teachings and for keeping us focused.

   

Hi Wei,

"Hi Rad,

Does this symbol:SN of Venus conjunct Saturn in 10th house Scorpio necessarily indicate soul has formed intimate relationship with father/father figure of this life time? If not, would you please give me some hint, how does this soul's inner relationship affect the relationship with father?"

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No, of itself, this does not 'necessarily' correlate to a Soul having intimate relationships with a father in past lifetimes. It can certainly be a symbol that does correlate to this, but not 'necessarily'. The Soul's inner relationship to itself can affect fathers in many possible ways Wei: not just one way. It would of course be necessary to understand the nature of any given father, from an EA point of view, to make such a determination.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Marty,

All that you wrote relative to those symbols can certainly be true within the archetypal possibilities of those symbols.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on this next Monday: July 18.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad again,

it has been very insightful to follow this thread. As a beginner, thank you for having conducting it in this very simple, slow paced way.

Doing the exercise i find questions on how to work with another symbols, south nodes and repeating themes, when associated with the Sn venus archetype and what is the soul relationship with itself when associated to other collective archetypes.

So, with Sn venus closely conjunct Sn Neptune, 5th house, aquarius, i look at uranus in scorpio to understand the why the same way i can look at natal neptune?
Doing that i have the repeating theme of Sn uranus exactly conj. Neptune.
Adding to it, i find  Sn vesta is conjunct Sn neptune in aquarius, uranus conjunct amazone, Sn amazone conjunct Sn uranus and neptune, and uranus trine vesta.

With this it seems likely to associate the soul relationship to itself with female symbols, meaning, themes related to matriarchal times, its unnatural distortion and warrior, trauma, signatures. Can i understand from it that the soul might have experienced the whole archetypes throughout times or how can we make the distinction, from this symbols, of natural and unnatural times?

Thank you,
Helena

Hi Helena,

"So, with Sn venus closely conjunct Sn Neptune, 5th house, aquarius, i look at uranus in scorpio to understand the why the same way i can look at natal neptune?"

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The 'why' of anything in the birth chart, in the end, is rooted within the totality of the EA paradigm itself: natal Pluto, it's polarity point, the South and North Nodes of the Moon, the location of their planetary rulers, and aspects to all of this. The Uranus in Scorpio, or any other sign, it's house location, aspects to it, relative to the link to the S.Node of Venus, S.Node Of Neptune, correlates with the archetypes that the Soul has used to actualize those symbols. And, remember, it is essential to understand the evolutionary state or condition that the Soul has evolved to in order to have the proper evolutionary context that allows for the correct interpretation of these symbols.

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"Doing that i have the repeating theme of Sn uranus exactly conj. Neptune. Adding to it, i find  Sn vesta is conjunct Sn neptune in aquarius, uranus conjunct amazone, Sn amazone conjunct Sn uranus and neptune, and uranus trine vesta.

With this it seems likely to associate the soul relationship to itself with female symbols, meaning, themes related to matriarchal times, its unnatural distortion and warrior, trauma, signatures. Can i understand from it that the soul might have experienced the whole archetypes throughout times or how can we make the distinction, from this symbols, of natural and unnatural times?"

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The distinction is time itself. Meaning, generally, the perversion of the Natural Laws began around 7,000 B.C.E. From that point on the progressive perversion has lead exactly to where humanity finds itself now.

God Bless, Rad

All,

Continuing on we now want to determine the aspects too the planetary ruler of the S.Node of Venus as they correlate to the Soul's prior lives relationship to itself. In our continuing example then, the S.Node of Venus being in Aries in the 3rd House, it's planetary ruler Mars being in Sagittarius in the 11th, we can, for example, create a square aspect to an 8th House Saturn Virgo.

With this in mind we can now see that, among the totality of the archetypes, simple examples of how this would correlate to that inner relationship that the Soul has within itself. First, we can see that part of that inner relationship is intensely self critical wherein it is analyzing it's own inherent psychology, and the psychology of others. It is focused on it's own reasons for being, of it's own motivations for doing what it desires to do, and is focused on doing the same with others relative to all those that it attracts to itself by way of the various types of people it forms relationships too within the milieu of the 11th House Mars in Sagittarius.

We can see that within this many, many ideas, philosophies, opinions on this or that will be exchanged in which the Soul is attempting to define it's own sense of personal authority. This of course attracts others who are doing exactly the same thing. In combination we can then see the potential for tremendous arguments that could become explosive. At the same time, the Soul would be desiring to attract those of like mind through which to form deeper bonds with.

Within this the Soul would create sexual attractions in which there would be a deep desire, Saturn in the 8th, to act upon. This can then create a dynamic in which the Soul has formed relationships to some within the context of the 11th house, friends of like mind, in which there would be a desire to make it deeper psychologically, emotionally, and sexually. This itself could create conflicts for the Soul and those that it forms relationships too in this way, and for these reasons, wherein the Soul could be good friends with someone that became difficult of ugly once it became sexual: the deeper inner realities of each now seeming so 'different', the Mars in the 11th, that would expose, 8th House, the underlying superficiality, 3rd House S.Node of Venus, of the connection, attraction, in the first place.

And so on. This is just a simple example to illustrate the archetypes that we are discussing. So, for now, examine your own S.Node of Venus, the location of it's planetary ruler, and the aspects it is making to understand, within those symbols, your own inner relationship to itself. In the end, the 'why' of it is determined by the underlying EA paradigm in your chart.

God Bless, Rad

  Hi Rad,

    The South Node of Venus, in my natal chart, is in the 1st house of Aquarius.  If the 1st house deals with that part of the perfect rhythmic state of universal being, an individual's form of Source, directing itself through each of us, then the disparate components of my inner being must agree with the inner-aspects of my Venus South Node before they can be transformed them into useful, suitable accomplishments, whether on a physical or psychological level.  Perhaps that is the reason why I feel so hesitant to commit or act, at times; why dedicating myself to a certain project can take so much time.                               
     Uranus, the "˜awakener', has never really felt like a realistic part of my nature; being disruptive is never something that I could pull-off with much charisma.  When I learned, however, that Uranus can be "˜equally responsible for accidents; as well as, miracles', I thought now we're referring to a part of life where I feel quite comfortable.  There are many unexplained events in life that can only be considered to be miracles.
     My question relates to the naturally formed "˜Yod pattern' between the 2nd, 7th, and 12th houses, relating to our anticipated need for survival, of course, yet together with the concept of the higher octave of Venus: Neptune.  Between houses 2 and 12 is the sextile; the base of the Yod pattern- the mid-point of this naturally forming Yod is about 1 degree Aquarius; the South Node of Venus is about 7 degree's Aquarius-  Can that conjunction be thought of as a sensitive area in my chart; an area where I am constantly searching for meaning in life?
     This website is one that I have been searching for awhile now-it is quite informative!!

Thanks Marti.

Hi Marti,

Welcome to our message board.

First, please understand we do not do personal charts on this mb. There is a subject on the first page called 'if this is your first visit to the mb' that lists the various rules and procedures for this mb.

Second, the EA of JWG has specific archetypal meanings that I would encourage you to read and inform yourself about. The correlations, for example, that you have stated regarding Aquarius, etc, are not consistent with our EA.

Venus, and its higher octave Neptune, do correlate to the sense of meaning that any given Soul creates and needs for it's lifetimes. Your S.Node of Venus in Aquarius in the first house would correlate, partially, to what that sense of meaning has been for your Soul prior to the life you are now living. Back that up by locating the natal Uranus in your chart: by house, sign, and aspects to it. In JWG's EA, for a simple example, the 1sh House, Aries, Mars correlate, among other archetypes, to a new evolutionary cycle of development. Thus, an inner sense of having something new and special to actualize that then requires an essential freedom to develop, and actualize. This would then correlate to the sense of meaning with the S.Node of Venus being in the 1st House Aquarius. The Aquarius archetype would condition this by way of needing to initiate relationships with a diversity of types of people in order to evaluate through comparison and contrast exactly what that new sense of individuality is within your Soul: to find your unique place in the world. Within this desiring different knowledge systems in order to help you objectify exactly what unique sense of identity is: astrology would be one example. Within this a core emotional paradox relative to relationships: needing freedom while at the same time needing relationships.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on tomorrow: July 26.

God Bless, Rad

Rad,

     First of all- thank you!  I've read through the posting procedures and guidelines.
     Second of all, the prior life that I have been doing much research on had the South Node of Venus in the twelfth house of Capricorn- the mid-point, on her natal chart, between houses 2 and 12 is approximately 10 degrees Aquarius in the first house. "The South Node of Venus would correlate to the meaning that the Soul is creating for its life, how it inwardly relates to that sense of meaning and how that sense of meaning is then related to others." Could this sensitive area of both of our charts be where we have both located some sort of meaning in life?  JWG has written quite extensively on these topics- I have much reading to do!

Thanks Marti

Hi Marti,

In EA it is essential to understand the totality of the chart relative, first, to the EA paradigm itself. This then provides the context or structure through which to correctly understand any one symbol with the chart. EA does not involve itself with midpoints.

God Bless, Rad

All,

So to date we have discussed the S.Node of Venus by house and sign location, the planetary ruler of that S.Node by it's own sign and house location, and exampled as aspect to to that planetary ruler by it's own house, and sign.

The next step is to now focus on the natal Venus itself by it's own house, sign, and aspects to it. Remembe the natal planet is that which is, through the entire life of the Soul, the integration point between the evolutionary past, and the evolving future for the Soul. Thus, the S.Node of Venus, it's planetary ruler, and aspects to that all create prior life dynamics that become focused through the natal Venus: determinants of how and why the natal Venus will be conditioned by that past. The N.Node of Venus, the location of it's planetary ruler, and the aspects to that serve the evolutionary intention of moving the Soul forwards relative to all archetypes that correlate to the archetype of Venus itself. This evolutionary pull impacts on the natal Venus, as does the evolutionary past, at every moment in time. The interfacing of the past with the evolutionary forces of the future is that which is the NATURE OF THE MOMENT.

The WHY of that moment can be correctly understood in this way, relative to the Venus archetypes, and that itself can only be correctly understood relative to the underlying EA paradigm in each chart.

So following our example that we have been discussing let's put the natal Venus in Taurus in the 4th House. Relative the existing context, our ongoing example, see above, we can now understand the Soul is intending to evolve an inner relationship within itself that needs to SLOW DOWN. This slowing down is a reaction to the previous lives in which the Soul had been initiating all kinds of spontaneous relationships within the social environment for the reasons that we have discussed. The Soul is now intending to develop an inner relationship to itself that is focused on developing an inner sense of personal security: to become emotionally more self reliant, and self secure.

As a result this evolutionary intention correlates to now learning to ask and answer it's own questions about the nature of things. The Soul will now become much more inwardly reflective as it's desires to know and understand it's own inner psychology, and the why of that psychology. The Soul will be desring to understand the nature of it's emotions: the reasons for them. In essence, the Soul will want to know how and why it is put together from within itself in the ways that it is.

It will desire to inwardly identify the resources it possesses to sustain itself in all ways, including how to survive in the context of the world in which it is living: to make a living. In so many ways the Soul will be desiring, relative to what has come before, to make itself 'small'. In this desire the Soul will want to find the specific kind of environment to plant it's roots: where to live. Thus, the nature of the home, where it is located, and who has access to it become core values, needs, and directly correlates to the Soul's inner sense of safety and security. All of these dynamics will correlate, as a result, to the Soul's sense of meaning for living.

The Soul will now exercise intense discrimination as to who it decides to relate too, of who it allows into it's life: the prior dynamics of the S.Node being in Aries in the 3rd House, it's ruler in Sagittarius in the 11th squaring Saturn in Virgo in the 8th conditioning the current life Venus in the 4th. Instead of all kinds of random relationships the Soul will now be desiring to only form relationships with those of true like mind: the sense of Soul simpatico. 

The Soul inner relationship in this life will thus manifest as unpredictable cycles of wanting to talk, commune, and interact with others relative to the other cycle of total withdrawal.

We could go on and on but this hopefully will example and illustrate our next step in our understand of Venus and it's nodal axis. If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Hi

Confused with some basic concept of connecting the chart energy.
When we take the ruler of South node of any planet why we take Natal planet as the ruler rather than the South node planet of that sign to see into the past dynamics.For example if venus is in Gemini,then why we look for natal mercury rather than  south node of mercury.

Thank you
Sree

Hi Sree,

I can't follow what you are asking about. Try again.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I think Sree is asking why is the natal planetary ruler itself used when looking to the facilitator of a south node rather than the south node of that planetary ruler in question.

For example:

Pluto south node is Capricorn, planetary ruler as facilitator = Saturn

But why not the South node of Saturn?

Thank you

Hi LittleAprilShower and Sree,

Both can be used. First use the planetary ruler of the S.Node, by house, sign, and aspects. To add an even deeper dimension to that the use of the S.Node of that planetary ruler can in fact be used. These correlate to dimensions in time that all add up to what has come before that is affecting the current life of the Soul.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on tomorrow August 3rd.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on now. The next step is to determine what aspects the natal Venus is making to other planets. All of the aspects the natal Venus makes to other planets correlate to how the evolutionary past, and the evolutionary future, will be integrated into the current life from moment to moment throughout the entire life of the Soul.

So, for example, and continuing with our ongoing example, let's put the planet Neptune in Scorpio in the 10th House. It will be in an opposition aspect to the natal Venus in Taurus in the 4th. In the context of what we have been discussing, and exampling, this would of course correlate with the Soul's inner need to identify the resources it has to make a living in the world, a living that is directly defined by the Soul's inner relationship to itself: who it is. In combination this then correlates to making a living relative to those inherent resources that establishes the Souls sense of meaning in the world: a work or career that is meaningful. Not just working to work. If the Soul was forced to work just to work in order to survive then this would create cycles, the 4th House Venus in opposition to the Neptune, is which the Soul would inwardly experience a core disillusionment, a total sense of dissatisfaction, a total sense of meaninglessness leading to intense depression, in which the Soul could seek out all manner of escape type behaviors that included alcohol, drugs, of becoming sexually addicted to all manner of perverse sexual things.

This Soul would come into life with an uneasy sense of guilt, and the need to atone for that guilt. This would of course be rooted in the prior life dynamics that we have been discussing. For example, the Soul could have betrayed and abandoned others, or another, in previous lives who had extended total trust into the Soul. In the same way, and for the same reasons, the Soul could have also experienced exactly that them self. If so, then the Soul would also come into the current life with inherent fears of abandonment, fears of trusting anyone, and a deep inner sense of disillusionment towards people in general. Integrating this through the current life Venus in Taurus in the 4th, in opposition to the Neptune in Scorpio in the 10th, the Soul could create an inner relationship to itself that generated a psychological barrier to others that did not allow anyone, or only a very few special others, into it's personal life. Relating to others would manifest as a kind of psychological 'prove yourself to me'. In the same way, the Soul would naturally attract, Venus, others who had exactly the same attitude towards this Soul.

This uneasy sense of guilt correlates with not only the Saturn in Virgo in the 8th squaring the Mars, ruler of the Venus S.Node, but also the natal Neptune in Scorpio in the 10th opposed the natal Venus in Taurus. The underlying dynamic here is one of 'judgements': 10th House, Saturn, and Capricorn archetypes. So we can see that this Soul has ongoing evolutionary and karmic issues related to judgements in general, it's judgements of itself, and judgements of others. Within this underlying dynamic stands the core evolutionary and karmic lesson of exactly what is the BASIS of the judgements themselves. Are those judgements being made to Natural Laws, or are they being made from man made laws emanating from the various religions that manifest from different societies/ cultures. Or a combination of both. The specific evolutionary and karmic intent in this is for the Soul to make an inner determination of what is constituting it's judgements. The intent within this is to oppose, throw off, Venus in opposition to Neptune, Saturn square the Mars, any and all judgements that do not emanate from natural laws so that how it the Soul then inwardly relates to itself, and thus others, reflects these natural judgements versus that which is not natural.

The temptation in this Soul, Neptune in Scorpio in opposition to the Venus, Saturn in the 8th in Virgo squaring Mars in the 11th, the ruler of the S.Node of Venus in Aries in the 3rd, would be to create a inner relationship that is defined by feeling 'victimized' by others, by life in general. This temptation would occur because the Soul was in denial of it's own actions from other lives of how it related and treated others: Saturn in Virgo in the 8th relative to that Mars, and the S.Node of Venus. If the Soul allowed itself to be tempted in this way then how it related to others would be one of desiring to 'get back' at others in all sorts of distorted ways.

The evolutionary and karmic lesson, if the Soul followed this temptation, would be to throw off,  to oppose it, from within itself. If the Soul did this, then the Soul would understand that one of it's intended evolutionary lessons was to learn how to become responsible for it's own actions, Neptune in the 10th relative to that Saturn, then how it related to itself, and others, would manifest as helping others understand exactly the same lesson. This would then allow the Soul to psychologically mature, and help others do the same.

As a result, the Soul would naturally desire to choose a work in the world, as a reflection of it's inner resources that constituted a Soul sense of meaning, that helped others in some way in their own lives. An example of this could be desiring to become a professional psychologist.

There of course is much, much more that could be exampled here. This is but one simple example of how to link together the S.Node of Venus, it's planetary ruler, aspects it is making to the planets, and the natal Venus and aspects it is making to other planets. You can do this for yourself by understanding your own birth chart symbols in this way. And you can do it for others in the way as well.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on tomorrow August 10th.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will now continue by discussing the the N.Node of Venus relative to the natal Venus, the S.Node of Venus, the location of it's planetary ruler, and all the aspects therein.

The N.Node of Venus correlates with the Soul's desire to evolve within it's inner relationship to itself relative to where it has been relative to what has constituted the fundamental sense of meaning for it's life, what it has been valuing that has lead to that sense of meaning, how it has been relating to others because of this, the needs it has had that have been meet through it's own self reliance, and the needs it has had for others to help in sustaining itself. Within this what the Soul has needed to sustain itself through the inherent or learned resources in order to survive in the world itself.

The N.Node of Venus by house, sign, aspects, and the location of it's planetary ruler with aspects to it all correlate with evolving in new ways that lead to new ways of the Soul relating to itself, others, new awareness's of that which leads to a new sense of meaning, and the values that correlate with that, unlocking inherent resources that the Soul had yet to understand or know within itself that allows it to sustain itself in new ways and/ or learning new resources that correlate with it's evolving sense of meaning for living that allow it to establish itself in the world in new ways.

In our ongoing example, above, we will now put the N.Node of Venus in Aquarius in the 1st House. In this context, the existing S.Node in Aries in the 3rd, it's ruler in Sagittarius in the 11th squaring Saturn in Virgo in the 8th which are being integrated through the natal Venus in Taurus in the 4th in opposition to Neptune in Scorpio in the 10th, we can understand the Soul's evolution relative to it's inner relationship to itself. In essence, the Soul is recreating it's past yet with an intention of breaking free, liberating, from that past: the N.Node in Aquarius in the 1st House.

By recreating the past the Soul through this N.Node is learning what to sustain from that past that still holds meaning and value, and that which does not. It will recreate relationships with others from it's past in order to objectify the dynamics within them so that a deeper sense of self knowledge takes place within the Soul itself. In this way the Soul is not only evolving it's inner relationship to itself but becoming ever more aware of whom and what types of other people it wants in it's life, and those that it no longer has any need or use for.

Through this N.Node the Soul will evolve into new ways of finding and discovering how to integrate itself into the world, it's culture of birth or beyond, relative to wanting to help others through some kind of work that is meaningful to the Soul. This could include checking out different kinds of existing organizations of like minded people whose intentions is to do just that with the intent of finding the one that most closely resonates with it's own nature.

Above all else this N.Node of Venus correlates with the Soul's intention of objectify itself: all the inner dynamics within it. The intent of course is one of total self knowledge within the ongoing intention of accepting the responsibility for itself, and that which it has created. In turn the Soul will naturally desire to relate to others in exactly the same way: to help other objectify themselves. In this way the Soul is setting the stage for itself to affect maximum evolution within the current life, and setting the stage for the increasing evolutionary pace in the lives to come. In this way the Soul can also help others do exactly the same thing.

This is but a small example of what these symbols can mean.

If you have any questions please ask.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Wath do we do when a chart is very complex and there are a lot of planets in major  aspects whith both de nodes and the natal planet. Do we consider squares and oppositions as more important?

Thank you.

Maya

Hi Maya,

"Wath do we do when a chart is very complex and there are a lot of planets in major  aspects whith both de nodes and the natal planet. Do we consider squares and oppositions as more important?"

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No, they are not more important. The entire chart must be considered as equal within itself. In so many ways a natal chart is like a hologram through which a prism reflects the dimensions in time that correlate with the Soul's ongoing evolutionary journey: past, present, and the future. Seen or understood in this way reflects how the past comes forwards and conditions the nature of the moment in which the current life dynamics that the Soul has created reflect that past. As the same time the future evolution of the Soul, and the dynamics necessary for that to happen, are also reflected in each moment that are affecting those current life dynamics. Thus the interaction with the Nodes of all the planets relative to the natal planets: the current life or moment.

So all aspects, all the various dimensions that can be seen via the evolutionary hologram/ prism are co-equal.

God Bless, Rad

All,

We will continue on, and finish up, this thread tomorrow on August 18th.

God Bless, Rad

All,

The final step in understanding Venus and it's Nodes is to locate, by house, sign, and aspects the planetary ruler of the N.Node of Venus.

In our ongoing example, above, we will now put the ruler of the N.Node of Venus, Uranus, in Libra and in the 9th House. We have already, through the examples we have used, established the context through which we can now understand this placement.

That context, in essence, has the Soul desiring to seek out all kinds of information about the nature of things, S.Node of Venus in Aries in the 3rd, from a diversity of sources by initiating relationships will all kinds of diverse people in all kinds of walks of life: the ruler Mars in Sagittarius in the 11th. In so doing the Soul was desiring to find out about it's own individuality through comparison and contrast: the archetype of Venus. I am not this, I am not that, so what am I ? In so doing the Soul desired to form deeper and intimate relationships with those that it felt some degree of simpatico with: Mars square the Saturn in Virgo in the 8th that lead to evolving it's inner relationship to itself, and others, by way of psychoanalyzing the dynamics within itself, and those others, that it drew into its personal and intimate life: why this, why that, why do you feel this way, why do I feel that way, etc, etc, etc.

In so doing, the Soul created circumstances for itself in which it created conflict in this way with others, conflicts born from trying to make like minded friends into intimate others in which the fundamental differences between it and others became magnified. In this way, the Soul created abandonment issues, trust issues, psychological manipulation issues born of desiring to get it's needs met, being used or being the one using another, and so on.

Coming into the current life the Soul choose to have Venus in Taurus in the 4th, and in opposition to Neptune in Scorpio in the 10th. In essence the Soul desired to slow itself down, to learn how to develop an inner sense of security, self reliance, to choose it's environment to live in a very careful way that it could call home, and to find a meaningful work or job function through which to sustain itself in the world, and to actualize it's sincere desire to help others or the world in some way.

The current life N.Node of Venus is in Aquarius in the 1st, the desire to create a new cycle of relating to itself and others, a desire to liberate from the prior ways of being within itself, and thus how it had been relating to others, to quicken it's evolutionary pace for itself, and to help others as well. To set in motion new directions that required a fundamental freedom to do so which was a perfect evolutionary reflection of, going back to its evolutionary history starting with the S.Node of Venus in Aries, what had come before, but now in new ways.

With the planetary ruler of the N.Node being Uranus in Libra in the 9th House we can now see that the Soul is intending to relate to itself in new ways by trying to discover an underlying philosophical way of understanding life itself. A binding philosophy that will serve as a foundation upon which the Soul can 'interpret' the nature of anything through including it's own inner being, and the beings of others. This would then serve as a comprehensive way of understanding and integrating all that has come before, and a way of integrating and understanding all that it will be creating and experiencing in the current life that will propel it into it's next life.

This will be integrated through the current life Venus in Taurus in the 4th by way of changing how the Soul relates to itself: it's egocentric structure. In turn, this will affect what constitutes a sense of personal emotional security that affects it's ability to sustain itself. It will serve as a vehicle through which to incorporate and integrate the ongoing sense of what is meaningful as the Soul continues to expand it's personal sense of self awareness. In turn, it will evolve how and why the Soul is choosing the types of people to relate too, of whom to bring into it's life in ever more closer ways, and serve as the very basis of what the relationships are based and founded upon in the first place: the core philosophical simpatico through which the Soul, and those it chooses to form relationships too, relate.  

Within this the Soul, via the location of the planetary ruler of the N.Node of Venus, is desiring to learn how to truly listen to others in such a way as to 'hear' their realities as they actually exist for them versus projecting upon them that which they think their realities are as defined by the Soul's own subjective reality. In this way, the Soul is desiring to learn how to relate to others in this new way, and have others do the same for this Soul. In turn, this sets in motion a new desire in the Soul of wanting to give to others what they actually need, and to have others do the same for this Soul. In this way, the Soul is desiring to learn how to be in relationships that are defined equally: not who is more or less important than the other. That each others needs are co-equal.

Within this the Soul is desiring to change it's inner relationship within itself by shifting its focus from the left to right brain: from the deductive to the inductive. In this way, the Soul is learning how to see the 'whole' of it's life at all times, and to understand the 'whole' of others life in the exact same way. This new way of understanding itself, and others, evolves the Soul's way of relating to itself and others as a result.

The Soul is also desiring to learn how to 'lighten' up within itself due to the intensity of it's most recent prior lives that could have included intense traumas of different kinds: the planetary ruler of the S.Node of Venus in the 11th square the Saturn in the 8th. This new need within the Soul will thus manifest as a humor that is defined by the 'vision of the absurd': Uranus in Libra in the 9th. Thus, the Soul will be learning how to laugh at itself, and help others do exactly the same.

We could go on and on but this simple example will illustrate how to understand and integrate the planetary ruler of the N.Node of Venus into your understanding of the entire relationship between Venus and it's Nodal axis. You can apply this to you own birth charts, and those of others.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Could you share your thoughts on NN Venus conjunct natal Venus and both conjunct SN moon? Venus is also NN moon ruler.
I keep stopped on a contradiction between the evolutionary desires, the past and the future.

Also, is there a general understanding in the chart for NN of one planet conjunct south node of another and both conjunct a natal planet?

And thank you very much for conducting this thread. It produced some very helpful questions, light on some answers and hopefully some new dendrites :)

All the best,
Helena

Hi Helena,

"Could you share your thoughts on NN Venus conjunct natal Venus and both conjunct SN moon? Venus is also NN moon ruler."

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This will correlate to the Soul's desire and evolutionary need to recover, repeat, redo relationships that the Soul has had with core others in the past. The dynamics of those relationships with each one from the past will be the defining dynamics in the context of the current life for two reasons. One is that something was not finished that needs to be finished, and the other is then to recreate the relationships so that they can evolve beyond those dynamics. Those new dynamics will be reflected in the actual house/ sign of the N.Node of Venus conjunct the natal Venus as well as the house/ sign of the N.Node of the Moon, and all the aspects to them from other planets.

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"Also, is there a general understanding in the chart for NN of one planet conjunct south node of another and both conjunct a natal planet?"

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Here again the archetypal intent is to recover, repeat, etc dynamics from the past that are being brought forwards with the intent of evolving those dynamics: the N.Node of a planet .. the evolution .. conjunct the S.Node of another planet .. existing dynamics ... in the context of the current life: conjunction to the natal planet.

And remember that these sorts of evolutionary/ karmic issues can only be correctly understood by way of the core EA paradigm in the birth chart itself.

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And thank you very much for conducting this thread. It produced some very helpful questions, light on some answers and hopefully some new dendrites..

Thank you for saying this Helena ...

God Bless, Rad

Thank you for your answers and your time, Rad.

It is indeed a blessing to have found EA and this community.

Best for All,
Helena