Hi Rad,
Bodhisattva´s supposedly are delaying their own liberation in order to help all other sentient beings evolve and liberate themselves from the need to reincarnate, but is that even possible, when evolution is an ongoing process?
Thank you
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
Yes, it's is possible in the sense that such Soul's make a conscious choice to remain on places like Earth in order to lend a hand for others own evolution when, relative to their own evolutionary condition, they do not have to do so.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Thank you for your answer but I meant how would it be possible for all sentient beings to be free if evolution is an ongoing process with Souls needing a place to evolve and having their own evolutionary rate?
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
There are many, many places in the manifest Creation for the evolution of consciousness/ Soul's to evolve: not just Earth.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Yes but I wasn´t referring specifically to Earth but to the fact that Souls will always be incarnating. Won´t there always be more Souls coming here and other places to evolve thus making it impossible for all Souls to be free from the need to reincarnate?
Thank you
all the best
Hi Skywalker,
Any Soul has the capacity to liberate itself from within itself: not dependent on any external factor. And this can take place anywhere in the manifest Creation. The Source of all Souls, manifest and un-manifest, is the determinant of your question.
God Bless, Rad
It seems to me like the process of reincarnation on whatever planet or plane of existence is infinite, therefore an on-going evolutionary process. When one liberates from a certain plane of existence, they move to another one. Advanced souls may help some less advanced souls liberate from a certain plane of existence, like the earth, as a way of being of service and contributing to spiritual growth, but at some point they move on themselves either to a higher plane or return to Source, in the timeless. It is possible that once a (long) earth cycle on earth is over and all souls have liberated from that specific space-time cycle, another one starts, and Source, if such is the desire, once again projects itself on earth...continuing therefore the evolutionary process. In other words I see a "cycle" as a finite experience, but taking place within an infinite evolutionary process.
Gypsie
Hi Gypsie,
Thanks for your input. Thinking in terms of cycles makes sense!
Just one thing, reincarnation on a planet can´t be infinite, even the Sun is finite.
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
Yes you are right, sun is not infinite. Once earth has served its purpose I imagine it will eventually die off while other worlds are being created. We just can't escape the evolutionary process. Who knows, the process of enlightenment as we conceptualize it on our earth plane may only be one step of the way, the conclusion of a "cycle" as I mentioned earlier, but not the end of the journey. In other words, spiritual masters or avatars may have mastered a certain plane of existence like earth (and/or others), and will tend to less evolved souls if they choose to do so, but, when "time" is right for them, will go on to experience higher planes to continue their own expansion. I don't see any end to the process of souls coming in, as Source appears to me to be an eternal and infinite beginning and ending process...
Gypsie
Hi Gypsy,
Yes that seems to be the case, going up the planes as we evolve from the physical earth plane to the astral and causal planes of existence and beyond. This is described by Yukteswar in the book Autobiography of a Yogi, written by Yogananda. It´s worth a read if you haven´t already looked into it and so is the Holy Science by Yukteswar himself. Both books are free and available online.
All the best
Here are the links:
Free ebook ~ Autobiography of a Yogi ~ by Paramhansa Yogananda
http://manybooks.net/titles/paramhanetext05ayogi10.html
Extracts from The Holy Science ~ by Swami Sri Yukteswar
http://www.minsobooks.com/read-extracts-from-the-holy-science.html
Scanned copy of The Holy Science ~ by Swami Sri Yukteswar
http://yoganandaharmony.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Holy-Science-1920-edition.pdf
Sri Yukteswar's Insight on Yugas ~ Yuga Theory from The Holy Science
http://www.minsobooks.com/sri-yukteswar-about-yugas.html
I've been also wondering about bodhisattva's. My understanding is that this task they take upon themselves is infinite, and they still decide to try even when they know it's impossible, which is what makes it so remarkable.
My question however is, when after their final enlightenment they create another desire, wouldn't that mean that their karma isn't actually finished, and they just begin another round of cycles for themselves?
Hi Romana,
I don´t think that would be the case as the decision to help others liberate from what they call Samsara is made after they have been liberated.
All the best
Yes, but by making that decision/creating the new desire they literally bind themselves to this plane again, no? And being bound is the opposite of liberation in my mind..
It's difficult for me to imagine that they would be just kinda frozen in the same state...
Hi Romana,
I don´t think so because their desire would simply be to serve others and help them be free from cyclical incarnations on Earth as they have already been liberated themselves. I don´t think they would be "frozen" in the same state but simply delay their own process of moving away from Earth in order to help others. It´s therefore a choice that is freely made as they are already liberated.
From the point of view of someone who is still not liberated it may seem that way but we don´t really know what their inner reality is like.
All the best
Hi Skywalker,
I do get that once it was a choice freely made, and I wonder whether they are free to reverse that choice - to change their mind"¦because if they can't, then they're not really free i.e. liberated anymore..
But perhaps its as you say a matter of us not being able to understand what their inner reality is that's rising all those questions.. :)
Thanks for your answers.