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Discussion => Evolutionary Astrology Q&A => Topic started by: Sabrina on Jun 09, 2015, 02:17 PM

Title: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Sabrina on Jun 09, 2015, 02:17 PM
I'm wondering what the inconjunct between Scorpio and Gemini amounts to in more depth than my current understanding. Inconjuncts hold a Virgo vibration - yes? So what about Scorpio and Gemini together inspires refinement?

Gemini is more about moving on the surface outward, and Scorpio moves deep in a more channeled form relative to a fixation or desire.

What kind of resistance shows up in the cooperation of these archetypes when in a state of imbalance? Scorpio is too focused on one thing to consider other viewpoints, or Gemini is too flighty to really get too deep into anything in particular? That feels like Gemini in the equation at the moment, understanding this from a surface perspective of how it manifests but not really sure of the deeper intention level of this dynamic. Scorpio can learn to not feel threatened by new information which could change the focus that has already been committed to, and Gemini refines through Scorpio by focusing on something in depth, allowing for greater personal growth and discovery. Why is this important for Gemini in this relationship? What kind of experiences/desires manifest for someone who is too surface-oriented and needing to develop depth in relation to their 'horizontal' thinking?

-Sabrina
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Linda on Jun 09, 2015, 09:14 PM
Hi Sabrina,


Gemini/Scorpio inconjunct


I have an inconjunct chart, eg my 8th house Gemini.  

Currently, in addition to Pluto transiting my 3rd house, Mercury is transiting my 8th.

Here are some of my Pluto thru the 3rd house experiences/issues over the past 7 years to add to your database in terms of the Gemini/Scorpio inconjunct:


-  Obsessive collection of powerful information - but giving it all up due to exhaustion of the mental faculties.

-  Quietening the mind through meditation - that has almost become a matter of survival on a day to day basis.

-  An obsessive but dedicated collection of powerful (astrological) information that would be useful in helping others to understand themselves.

-  Giving up other types of astrology to embrace EA completely.  Why?  It answered the questions!

-  Issues about keeping secrets - therefore trustworthiness - for self and others.

-  Editing 6 x EA books - and producing the EA Glossary (all the EA information one would want!)

-  Death of both parents and dealing with the Estate.

-  Knowing when to speak and when to keep silent.  

-  Strengthening of the observation faculties - seeing deeply into things.

-  Reliance upon intuition.

-  Cutting access to the overly-busy linear mind - and dwelling in the higher mind (of intuition).

-  A lot of rushing around - being too busy - but slowing down now.

-  A quick mind that doesn't have to think anymore - it just knows, and knows deeply.

-  Many distorted ideas being discarded.

-  Generally quietening of the mind and relaxing the nervous system.

-  The Virgoan/inconjunct aspect is expressed through being of service, discipline of the mind, and working toward mental purification through clear and undistorted thinking.

Added:

-  Constant thoughts about death.

-  Frequent "journeys" to the underworld and back.

-  Scorpio = Soul, Soul desires, evolutionary intentions.  Gemini (Mercury) is employed by the Soul for its evolutionary intentions.

-  Understanding how Scorpio works:  metamorphosis, regeneration, osmosis, latent talent, elimination, etc.

-  The study of Pluto transits.


I feel that Scorpio adds intensity, depth, focus, penetration and power to the Geminian collection and dissemination of information.

Gemini adds flexibility, curiosity and speed to thinking processes for the benefit of the penetrating Scorpio mind.

I hope some of this helps.


Love,

Linda
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Skywalker on Jun 10, 2015, 05:48 AM
Hi Sabrina,

A lot can be said about the inconjunct between Gemini and Scorpio, here are some thoughts.

The inconjunct is an aspect that requires constant adjustments from both archetypes in order for there to be harmony and growth. There is a natural need for adjustment between Gemini and Scorpio due to the inconjunct that translates into tension between our core security needs and the need to expand our scope thru collecting and sharing information.

How much can we share of ourselves if we are insecure or vulnerable and feel the need to defend ourselves and our privacy? How relevant is the information that we are collecting or the bla bla we are speaking to our evolution or to others? How can we really communicate with others in a way that we can be understood on the deepest levels? Can we trust ourselves and others enough to open up to them and share what we really think? How can we expand without leaving the safety zone we find ourselves in? Do we have all the pieces of information we need in order to feel secure enough to make the next move? Is the information we have valid, has it been proved, is it from a trustworthy source?

Between Gemini and Scorpio is the need for real and tangible information that is relevant and has passed the acid test. Gemini will collect and collect information while Scorpio won´t give a damn about it unless it´s directly linked to a deeper cause and is highly relevant. So how relevant is your opinion to the deeper undercurrents of the present situation? How much information do you have about the cause of what is happening? How much do you actually know vs what you think you know? What about the Scorpio intensity VS the Gemini superficiality? The need for trust and commitment VS the need for diversity, novelty and neutrality? What about in relationships when what we say is totally at odds with what we really feel deep down inside? Or when what we say is at odds with what our body language says? What about the secrets we have and share or dont share with another or others? What about the power dynamics between people or within society that are many times maintained thru dishonesty and disinformation? What about the fixed nature of Scorpio which needs to know what to count on and needs total honesty yet Gemini needs freedom and knows that truth is relative and can find the other side of the coin due to its tendency towards duplicity?

The inconjunct will also force the Gemini archetype into metamorphosing or evolving the way we think and communicate by focusing on that which is essential. Scorpio/Pluto correlate to perspective and Gemini/Mercury to the logical mind which can distort the perspective due to duplicity, dishonesty, conflicting bits of information, dispersed mental energy etc. The importance in this relationship is for Gemini to find the causative factor behind the superficial experience or information it is accessing and communicating to others. It needs to really know what the hidden meaning behind things are in order to not be caught off guard or get stuck without anything of tangible use. Gemini needs to learn loyalty in relationships and to add the quality of "passion in depth" and not only "stimulus in diversity".

All the best
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Sabrina on Jun 10, 2015, 05:37 PM
I am so grateful for these responses!!

I have been noticing similar mental-overload moments...

"What about in relationships when what we say is totally at odds with what we really feel deep down inside? Or when what we say is at odds with what our body language says? What about the secrets we have and share or dont share with another or others? What about the power dynamics between people or within society that are many times maintained thru dishonesty and disinformation? What about the fixed nature of Scorpio which needs to know what to count on and needs total honesty yet Gemini needs freedom and knows that truth is relative and can find the other side of the coin due to its tendency towards duplicity?" - this is also a lot of great stuff to think about.

After I wrote this I went out to meet this woman about a room to rent. She was incredibly secretive and had very particular house procedures, like if I were to have lived there there were all these rules and policies. I wouldn't have been interested except that her phone number (Gemini... digits... data) had all of these angel numbers I have been noticing in synchronicity. (Scorpio fascination, obsession). Had it not been for the phone number, I would have passed it up based on not really resonating with her. But curiosity - and symbols - So I was putting a distorted amount of value in the symbols.

So I met her at a grocery store and had one of the weirdest experiences of my life. She wouldn't give me the address to her house to view the room so I had to meet her there, where she said I could text my friends her address so I "would be safe too". All of her procedures were beginning to make me feel paranoid. But on my drive there, I saw all of those numbers again in this unusual frequency and was like... okay, I guess I will investigate.

First thing when I meet her she told me "Things are not as they appear" which is why she had to meet me before deciding I was okay to see her house. I was standing there feeling like this is totally not what I actually want, so I just decided to be honest. I told her I was not interested because her safety procedures were making me feel kind of spooked, (but did not add that in my mind, I was getting paranoid she was an extra special kind of sociopath whose safety measures were actually just a ploy,) and while I was pretty sure it was fine, I also was not willing to take the chance. "okay, I understand. The world is a scary place only getting scarier," she said. "We have to protect ourselves." That kind of paranoia is not my norm, but the experience was triggering it so it seemed like something relevant to pay attention to.

Then I told her about the numbers (in her phone number), and about how I was seeing a bunch of repetitive numbers on the drive there, which was basically the reason I was compelled to come out.

"Sometimes the mind makes connections that aren't really there," she tells me. "Like you could have a series of dots - and one person sees a cat, and another person sees a house."

So we talked for twenty minutes, and she called herself a "suspicious observer", and told me about the massive changes that are happening/coming in the Universe. Who knows what would have happened had I went all the way down the rabbit hole, to her house? It would have been dishonest of me to spend up her time that way just because I was curious about the depths of her story. And, I was on edge. I decided not to follow her back to the house, because I would never live in that kind of environment, where I would have to ask permission to have guests over and stuff like that.

BUT that being said, talking to her for twenty minutes helped me work out the ideas I was wondering about in a new way. And literally the only reason I went to see her in the first place was because of the digits in her phone number..

Moral of the story if there is one is that I received a lot of symbols that simply confused me and realized that the symbols are not necessarily what needs to be followed, not every trail of symbology needs to be taken to the ultimate depths.. sometimes you can pass it up based on knowing what you actually want. And on the positive side, while I did not go to her house, I did get to talk to her for twenty minutes about some interesting and bizarre things and it was definitely "stimulating". And I realized I could write my housing ad in the language to attract the people I actually want/similarly only respond to housing ads that speak a language I resonate with.

Also, it was reading over these responses that helped me make sense of what happened yesterday. When I got home I was too confused and overwhelmed to unpack it, I didn't even write what happened in my journal though I wanted to - it was that kind of "mental overload". There were a lot of other symbols happening in the scenario too that I haven't unpacked... and don't feel the need to go out of my way for, maybe it will make sense later naturally, and if not that's okay too.
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Skywalker on Jun 11, 2015, 03:14 AM
Hi Sabrina,

What massive changes are "happening in the universe", according to her?

Thank you

All the best
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Sabrina on Jun 11, 2015, 09:02 AM
The massive changes were about an asteroid that is bringing upheaval and said we will be "standing in the middle of a rubble field."

I wonder if it is as literal as people say or if it will happen more in the realm of consciousness. Definitely Pluto in Capricorn and the Uranus Pluto square is not without affect.

I live in the pacific northwest in a town with a lot of travelers and passers-through with a lot of different ideas about what is happening in the universe, versus where I grew up which was collectively more consensus-minded and would be talking about governments changing more likely than they would be talking about shifts in consciousness or the like.

-Sabrina
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Skywalker on Jun 11, 2015, 09:23 AM
Hi Sabrina,

It seems many people are waiting for some sort of collective event that will change everything, some expect an asteroid or alien disclosure, others spontaneous enlightenment and others the second coming of christ or even the antichrist!

All the best
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: Linda on Jun 17, 2015, 02:47 PM
Hi Sabrina and Skywalker,


I was writing to a friend this morning, and realized the information could be added this thread:


Mercury/Scorpio:  a constant search for more information but also a letting-go of old mental structures. The mental framework needs curiosity, newness, refurbishment, and a sense of evolutionary excitement ... otherwise Pluto, the Soul, destroys what is no longer necessary. I am going through this now where the old information is not making sense;  there's a sense of disorientation, but also a willingness to surrender so that new depths can slowly unfold.  Also, JWG's Evolutionary Astrology has been THE most profound intake of amazing information/knowledge ever for me in this lifetime.


Thanks and Love,

Linda
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: jgselpaso on Jun 19, 2015, 09:44 AM
According to the internet and a neighbor down the road from me, a massive asteroid is supposed to hit between Sept. 22nd and 25th, attributed by my neighbor for political reasons in Israel, gay marriage etc., retribution from an angry god according to neighbor.
(off topic Scorpio Gemini )
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: cat777 on Jun 19, 2015, 12:27 PM
I read something similar to that but it was supposed to have happened last month I think. :-)
Title: Re: Scorpio - Gemini Quincunx
Post by: cat777 on Jun 19, 2015, 12:36 PM
Here we go:  http://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/6272/20150512/giant-asteroid-pass-close-earth.htm

You are right however. There are tons of stories saying one is coming in September. It makes me wonder if we have a collective death wish :-)