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The intention of this project is to dive headlong into a life "¦ to find out, on a personal, ongoing, aspect by aspect basis, exactly how the EA paradigm works in a real life.  We will begin with Jen's chart "¦ and follow her transits and progressions throughout an entire year.  We will also look at major transits such as the Uranus/Pluto square, New Moons, Full Moons, Eclipses, and other celestial events.  Jen will relate what specifically happens, as per her choice, and as time permits.

Participants will play "EA detective," ask specific questions and make pertinent observations.  The correlation of these personal happenings with the art of EA analysis should produce valuable if not spectacular results for those who join in.  Even for experienced EA practitioners, this can be a source of expanded, enhanced understanding.  Beginners should find it to be most helpful "¦ a wealth of information akin to a temple of wisdom.

The greater the participation, the greater the benefit for all.  Everyone is welcome to join in.





The comments, opinions, insights, and analyses posted by members of the School of Evolutionary Astrology be they students or practicing astrologers, are intended to serve those students who are engaged in learning Evolutionary Astrology. All content posted in the threads, "EA Personal In-depth Chart and Transit Analysis for One Year (Using the Charts of Real People)" is for Educational Purposes Only. The administrators and participants of the School of Evolutionary Astrology disclaim any liability in connection with the contents of these threads.


Please contact Linda or Cat by personal message if any volunteer wishes to remove any content from the project that is overly sensitive, too personal or harmful. Volunteers' real identities will remain confidential at all times before, during and after the project. Volunteers do not have to answer any questions that they do not wish to answer. Volunteers will be free to leave the project at any time.


Although we have many professional astrologers participating, the group as a whole will not be qualified to offer counseling to the volunteers as it is unsuitable in an on-line environment.





Click below:
(1)  Jen's Birth Chart
(2)  Jen's Questionnaire, Bio, Timeline of Important Life Events

Jen's Birth Chart


Chart attached below

So let's begin . . .  



Hello Jen,


You have shared that you're a beginner to astrology - with some experience in EA - and a deep level of understanding.

In preparation for our project, you have read the relevant chapters of JWG's book,

Pluto ~ The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul ~ Volume 1.

Could you please post a short assignment starting with your Evolutionary Stage, then the salient points of your basic EA signature.

Our discussion regarding determination of Evolutionary Stage began here:
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=1045.msg33826#msg33826


Thank you,

Linda

Hello All,

Just jumping in here to point out the apparent balance of:
~Sun in Virgo with Mercury in Leo mutual reception conjunction residing in the 7th,
Somewhat centered between
~Moon in Scorpio 9th in trine to Mars in Cancer 5th bracketing the other two.
Makes for a very practical, robust ego expression and an abundantly watery emotional expression.

Cool symmetry there.
Dawncerise

Hello all,

Here is a short description of my basic EA signature.


1st stage spiritual believed to be in the 2nd sub-stage transitioning into the 3rd sub-stage.

Pluto 8th House in Libra
The soul has been confronting personal limitations, fears, and dependencies in order to evolve past those dynamics. The soul has through psychoanalysis and confrontation of self and others been discovering the nature of motivations, fears and dependencies. In relationships the soul has desired to empower others but also withheld its own emotional reality to sustain its own security.

South Node 1st house in Pisces
The ego structure the soul has used in the past to actualize the desires emanating from Pluto have been of freedom and independence for any experiences that could lead to directly experiencing the many facets of creation. To completely know it for itself leading to deeper understanding of the self and the universe.

Pluto Polarity Point 2nd House in Aries
The essence of the soul's evolutionary journey in this lifetime is to develop total self-reliance and to become emotionality, physically intellectually and spiritually self-sufficient. When in a relationship to act independently without needing the validation from another and also to allow the partner the same independence and freedom to initiate their own direction.

North Node 7th House in Virgo
The soul's evolutionary intentions is to self-improve the nature of itself through relationships to help, serve and empower others in their own evolutionary development. The soul has also been learning to apply discernment in understanding other people's actions, allowing to see the reality for what it truly is and to make conscious decisions regarding life direction.

Jen

Hi Jen,

That is some stellium you have in the 7th house.  Looking at your North Node, it is conjunct Saturn, Venus and the Sun. In terms of your life, what do you think this means to you when you blend those energies together? By looking at your North Node and considering the influence and meaning of the Sun, Venus and Saturn, you will have a clearer idea of your path. Do you want to give that a shot? Have you thought about it before?

cat

Hi Cat,

That is a good question! I will try my best :-\

I have reflected on how exactly this is operating in my life and I believe it has been a lot about needing to use my logical discernment to understand how another person is defining their actual reality, in contrast to my own. That it is a way of processing my own reality in a way that "supports" the souls need for understanding where another person is coming from (Pluto 8th). And I also believe that it helps myself stay centred in what is myself verses another. I could easily adapt blend in and "lose myself" in another's reality otherwise (Pluto 8th house, South node Pisces 1st house). I take on other people's feelings unknowingly and use the same logical deduction to figure out if they are my own.

I have always had a strong awareness of how another person might feel in any situation. I feel that this is due to the Scorpio energy. I sense that the stellium in Virgo in the 7th helps me be able to discern the difference between what are my emotions and another's. I have found myself having this experience quite often in my life. I have had to use my discernment and logical understanding of another to support my intuitive feeling. It has also worked the other way round, where I have given logical reasons to not listen to that intuition (and later learnt that I should have.)

I feel an urgency to show up and fulfil my duties and am acutely aware of my obligations to others. During my Saturn return I became aware of my self-defeating "life rules" that were about going it alone, in a sense that I would not burden anyone with my own needs but at the same time I felt that I had to always be there for others. So the awareness and responsibility for other people's needs that would lead to me being overwhelmed by life. I would also make myself indispensable to others instead of helping them help themselves. I have had to learn how to balance my own needs, duties, responsibilities with helping others with theirs. Allowing myself to be a part of the picture. Which has also led to me making conscious choices independently of others rather than waiting to see if there is time left for myself.

Does that sound like an accurate description of how these energies can manifest?

Jen

Hi Jen,

I just wrote a fairly lengthy reply and closed this page before I was done. All gone - poof! Lost forever  ;D

What I was saying is that I find it interesting that Pluto's Polarity Point is in the 2nd House in Aries which indicates an intention and desire to develop self-reliance and self-sufficiency by going it alone so to speak. There is a need and desire for freedom and independence here. At the same time, the South Node is in Pisces in the 1st house indicating that you likely spent quite a bit of time alone in the past and required a lot of freedom and independence in the past as well. This time was spent developing Pisces type of qualities or engaging in Pisces types of activities. Neptune is in Sagittarius in the 10th house. This is a further clue to what you were doing in the past. What is jumping out at me is some kind of involvement with a religious institution. The 10th house being your sociological role and Sagittarius symbolizing religion. Of course Sagittarius has other meanings and correlations but this fits nicely with that South Node in Pisces. What do you think?  What do you get when you reflect on these symbols?

Then looking at the 7th house, this symbolizes what you need to do in order to actualize the Polarity Point. With the Sun conjunct the North Node, Venus, and Saturn in Virgo, it seems that you are being called on to serve others whom you form relationships in some way. This ties in with everything you said about the stellium in your previous post. Add Mercury (North Node Ruler) which is conjunct Jupiter, and both part of this stellium, to the picture, what story comes to your mind in terms of where you have been and where you are going?  It looks like an interesting story :-)

cat

Hi Jen, Cat, Dawn, and everyone,


Thanks for submitting your short Pluto signature, Jen.  And thanks, Dawn and Cat, for sharing your first impressions of Jen's chart.


The full 7th house, and in fact any other symbol (planet, aspect, pattern, etc.) in the chart, can be understood within the context of the EA paradigm:


Primary Evolutionary/Karmic Axis, "The Bottom Line"

The entire EA paradigm of natal Pluto, the location of the South Node of the Moon, the location of its own planetary ruler by house, sign, and aspects to other planets, Pluto's polarity point, the location of the North Node of the Moon by its own house and sign, and the location of its planetary ruler by its own house, sign, and aspects to it correlates to the primary evolutionary/karmic axis, the bottom line, for the Soul's ongoing evolution from life to life for any of us. It's like a foundation upon which a house is built. Relative to that foundation the REST of the entire birth chart is then properly understood relative to THAT CONTEXT. Everything else is referred to that context, that primary evolutionary/karmic axis. (Rad)


Members are invited to submit an assignment of the EA paradigm of Jen's chart.  Cat has already started asking questions.  Jen's answers will allow us to arrive at a comprehensive and accurate EA paradigm using actual facts.  She is available to answer your questions to make sure your assignment is on the right track.


Once we all thoroughly understand the bottom-line EA signature of Jen's chart, we will be able to move on to other things as outlined in the Guidelines and eventually correlate Jen's real life experiences or transits, to the chart within the context of the bottom-line EA signature.


Transits, Progressions and Solar Returns:

Reflect the totality of inner desires and actions, past and present, and the developmental timing of our life events. They symbolize what appear to be external circumstances, conditions and events that reflect an inner process that creates the necessity of the event, and that promote internal changes, adjustments, elimination or metamorphosis of inner dynamics. (Paraphrased from JWG's Pluto Volume 1)


Transiting Pluto

Just a quick note to say that Pluto is transiting Jen's 11th house and very soon will exactly oppose her Mars in Cancer in the 5th house.  


But first, let's get that EA paradigm happening!   :D



Cheers,

Linda

Hello, Linda, Cat, Jen ...et al....

Looks like your off to a great start! Thanks for your diligent and hard work in organizing this for the message board, I am sure everyone will have a great learning experience with this! Thanks you in advance Jen for being the first volunteer!

I notice that in the aspect grid for Jen's chart it does not show Neptune square the nodes? What orbs do you use when you calculate charts? For me, I calculate a 10 degree orb and then use my observation and listing to the client to see if in fact it is active. I do find in discerning the 'karmic axis' and how it is active in a persons life that 10 degree orbs to Pluto and the Nodes are often active...in fact I have even seen up to 12 degrees (when a planet squares the nodes) be evident in the persons past lives and karmic conditioning.

In Jens case here ... I have already seen things that she has said that indicate that Neptune sq the nodes may be a part of her karmic condition.

Hello Patricia!


Great that you've joined in.   :D

Thanks for pointing that out.  I have adjusted all the orbs on Solar Fire to the general orbs used in

EA, including the 10 deg orb for squares.  For some reason, Neptune square the Nodes is not

showing up in the Solar Fire chart or aspect grid.

However, students can look at the chart and count to figure out that Neptune is definitely squaring

the Nodes by 9 deg, therefore part of Jen's karmic condition.


Thanks!

Linda

Hey everyone!


Cat and I have agreed to start off in a less formal way as this is not a great time of year to be writing long assignments.

In a real reading, the astrologer usually starts off with a first impression of the chart such as Pluto's position, skipped steps, shape, stelliums, hemispheral emphasis, etc.

Please feel free to comment on Jen's chart.

What is your initial reaction to the chart?


Thanks!

Linda

Jen and everyone,


The first impression of your chart suggests . . .

Your chart is a BOWL pattern.  A bowl holds things.  This means you have something within your bowl to offer others. 

All planets, except Neptune, are in the Western Hemisphere (right) of the chart ~ in the bowl.  This means:   Focus on others.

FYI here are the meanings for all the hemispheres:

Eastern (left):  Focus on self.
Western (right):  Focus on others.
Northern (bottom):  Impact by the family.
Southern (top):  Overwhelmed by outer conditions.

The North Node seems to be the focal point of the chart, and it is also the Resolution Node for your Neptune skipped steps.  Therefore the Soul is desiring accelerated evolution in the 7th house area of life.  Planets conjunct the North Node means that these archetypes are not new; they have been embraced by the Soul just previous to the current life.  The Sun, however, is a current life symbol of conscious awareness of your life purpose.

North Node Virgo 7th:  to be of service to others.  Obviously this is happening right now since you are acting as a volunteer in an on-line environment sharing many details about yourself!   ;D


Thanks!

Linda

Hello All!

Having remarked on the way that Jen's Sun and Mercury are Conjunct and in Mutual Reception as well as her Moon and Mars in a Water Trine Mutual Reception, I noticed I was slightly stingy in my comment... I didn't share enough of what I was getting out of the picture... rectifying that now.

I believe this emphasis imparts a significant emotionalism (perhaps emotional cognizance along the lines of a deeply felt gut intuition) to Jen's mental creative spark as well as denoting a real belief that her husband will be the way or mode through which she will discover or be able to express this part of herself. This may be somewhat traditional or possibly chauvinistic, but I think a strong 7th focus as we are seeing here can create that no matter the era in which you find yourself.

I also see that her 3rd House Vesta in Taurus tips a very closely concentrated Yod focused by Uranus based by the generational Pluto Neptune Sextile... I would say that this Yod seems to support the idea presented above very nicely. Which creates this beautifully balanced synchronicity to her chart for me. When I see a chart repeating a theme in many varied ways I feel that it is a lifetime of transition to or through that message. I would not be surprised if Jen has some psychic ability which, if as of yet unrecognized, only needs dedication to come forth. Perhaps hubby provides the foundation and funds the "day to days" so she can explore this realm more deeply? Even this seems supported by the Trine from Saturn to Vesta, Sextile to Uranus.

Of course, there are so many other possibilities, but that's what I have so far...
Dawn Cerise

Hello Dawncerise,


Welcome and thanks for sharing your observations.

The Finger of Fate made up of apex Vesta with Pluto and Neptune is incredibly tight @ 17 degrees!

Vesta represents a highly significant principle the pressure of which can lead to the fated fork in the road.    

Uranus directly opposite the apex Vesta is an extremely sensitive point.  

We should watch the transits to this sensitive point ~ and Jen can relay her experiences if she wishes.  

This year there were two Saturn transits conjunct Uranus @ 17.25 Scorpio taking place on:

19 June 2014 - Saturn Rx

21 August 2014 - Saturn Direct



Hello Jen,

Do you recall what happened to you on the above dates?    ???

It should be interesting.  Not to worry if you cannot remember.

Also, Jen, it would be cool if you could please confirm or refute Dawncerise's findings in her above post.

When doing this, could you please use the "Quote" function.



Thanks!

Linda

Hello Cat, Dawncerise, Linda and all,

Firstly, Cat, In response to your question..

Quote from: cat777 on Dec 07, 2014, 05:21 PM

Then looking at the 7th house, this symbolizes what you need to do in order to actualize the Polarity Point. With the Sun conjunct the North Node, Venus, and Saturn in Virgo, it seems that you are being called on to serve others whom you form relationships in some way. This ties in with everything you said about the stellium in your previous post. Add Mercury (North Node Ruler) which is conjunct Jupiter, and both part of this stellium, to the picture, what story comes to your mind in terms of where you have been and where you are going?  It looks like an interesting story :-)

I feel a little unsure of what all of these archetypes together mean but what comes to mind is a story of communicating my personal truth to people and possibly healing them in some way. I believe I have been rejected and judged for my truth in past lives but have still held on to it. I see how others reject what is naturally true to them because of society and patriarchy and I do help empower others to accept themselves and stand up for their own truth and needs.
I have many times been the friend whom the controlling husband of a friend does not like, or want around his wife as I would empower them to think for themselves. I have also had many experiences where I myself have been physically emotionally attacked for sticking to my own beliefs in the past.


Now to Dawncerice..

Quote from: dawncerise on Dec 09, 2014, 11:42 PM

I believe this emphasis imparts a significant emotionalism (perhaps emotional cognizance along the lines of a deeply felt gut intuition) to Jen's mental creative spark as well as denoting a real belief that her husband will be the way or mode through which she will discover or be able to express this part of herself...

I would not be surprised if Jen has some psychic ability which, if as of yet unrecognized, only needs dedication to come forth. Perhaps hubby provides the foundation and funds the "day to days" so she can explore this realm more deeply?

The above statements are correct. I do have a deeply felt gut intuition that is almost impossible to ignore.

My spiritual life began upon meeting my husband. Upon meeting I experienced such universal forces guiding me into the direction of the relationship that it was an awakening experience. He also introduced me to Astrology which gave me the proof I needed of our connection to the universe. We share a life devoted to our spiritual work, our family and each other. We both hold space for each other's spiritual paths and always do everything to support whatever each may be called upon to do to actualise.



And Linda, I do happen to remember what happened on those dates..

19 June 2014 - Saturn Rx 

On this day, my husband, children and I traveled to a small community in the countryside that I lived in as a child. We stayed with old friends that I hadn´t seen for many years. It was a lovely trip that gave a feeling of the simplicity I was seeking in how to live home life in connection to nature.

21 August 2014 - Saturn Direct

What I remember from this day is that I was confused about how to live, what I resonated with in terms of many different approaches to nurturing the body and soul. I came to the conclusion that evening that I would just do what feels right in any given moment, instead of committing to a philosophy that might be difficult to stay with. As I went to bed I read a post written by Ari that had the very words I was feeling and felt that it confirmed this to me. It read..

"I can only have faith that as I discover more of the truth in all the crevices of my life that I will ever align with the path that is so right for me. A path that does not assert rules and dogmas, a path that does not sacrifice the means for the sake of the ends, a path that is not lofty or complicated. Just a path that embodies the sacred in, though and as everything. Simple and Awesome in the truest sense. No teacher can succeed in giving me the lifestyle I seek. For this lifestyle must come from within. It must come from self knowledge - which is not something anyone can impart unto another"¦"
Thank you Ari!  :)


Thank You all!
Jen

Hi Jen

QuoteI believe I have been rejected and judged for my truth in past lives but have still held on to it.

Look at your 11th house. The 11th house ruler, Uranus is in the 9th house. The 11th house has Capricorn on the cusp ruled by Saturn in Virgo in the 7th House. This goes with what you are saying. If you focus on this and add all of the Saturn and Uranus aspects to this, it will give you more information about these past life experiences in which you were persecuted for your beliefs. Can you do that? Give it a try. Write it all down on a piece of paper with the keywords/archetypes. Meditate on it. See what comes to mind.  And then try to tie it all back to Pluto :-)

cat

On this day, my husband, children and I traveled to a small community in the countryside that I lived in as a child. We stayed with old friends that I hadn´t seen for many years. It was a lovely trip that gave a feeling of the simplicity I was seeking in how to live home life in connection to nature.




Dear Jen & All,
How poetic that Saturn transiting Rx should take you back your childhood home. Retracing earlier steps to learn anew from the experience is the true treasure of Saturn Rx... Also beautifully represented in getting back to foundational basics, as it were. Totally loving the blatant "rightness" of the symbolism...
Dawncerise

Hi Jen and everyone,


From time to time, I will be posting excerpts from the EA Glossary that will correspond to your EA signature.  Everyone is invited to add further meanings as we go along.

Set out below is the primary evolutionary/karmic axis which is the fundamental root of the chart.  The entire birth chart is properly understood relative to this foundation.  


PRIMARY EVOLUTIONARY/KARMIC AXIS


-  Pluto Libra 8th
-  South Node Pluto Capricorn 11th
-  North Node Pluto Cancer 5th
-  South Node Pluto Ruler:  Saturn Virgo 7th
-  North Node Pluto Ruler:  Moon Scorpio 9th
-  Aspects from all of the above to other planets
-  Planetary Nodes can be examined for more information

   -  South Node Pisces 1st
   -  North Node Virgo 7th
   -  South Node Ruler:  Neptune Sagittarius 10th
   -  North North Ruler:  Mercury Leo 7th
   -  Pluto Polarity Point Aries 2nd
   -  Aspects from all of the above to other planets
   -  Planetary Nodes can be examined for more information

         -  Then examine the rest of the chart


In EA analysis the house always comes first as the foundation for any given symbol, therefore we examine Pluto in the 8th house first.


PLUTO IN THE 8TH HOUSE

Scorpio is the archetype through which we come face to face with who we are, and who we are not, and cannot be. Each of us is unique. Each of us experiences life in our own unique way. Because the evolutionary impulse is to evolve, 8th house people desire to transform their limitations by forming relationships to things that symbolize what they feel they need in order to evolve beyond those limitations. This implies that something exists that they are not, or do not already have. This leads to experiences of power and of powerlessness. The evolutionary impulse has required that they experience their limitations while simultaneously metamorphosing them. They cannot just say it's fine the way it is. They have become aware of universal forces beyond the limitations of their own individuality. They are required to merge with other sources of power to move beyond their limitations. They have learned how to absorb within themselves the power of whatever symbols of power they formed a relationship to. They become that which they have formed a relationship to. The nature of what symbolizes power to them depends on what they perceive is needed to move beyond existing limitations. These can include death, sex, ritual, taboos, relationships, money, status, a system of knowledge (astrology, religion, philosophy), etc. An intrinsic problem here is compulsion.

The experiences of power and powerlessness produce cyclical internal and external confrontations. They lead to a continual death-rebirth of the person's awareness. This correlates to reincarnation, the progressive need to eliminate all desires preventing a direct merging with God. Because of the Soul's dual desire nature, there is also a need to stabilize the current boundaries. This creates intense conflict between the Soul's dual desires, to separate and to merge back. The stabilized boundaries eventually become limitations to the ongoing need to move beyond limitation, necessitating a further confrontational crisis resulting in the removal of the current boundaries, which creates the desire to stabilize the new boundaries, etc. etc. The desire to merge back is the stronger of the two desires. The extent of disruption the person experiences through this process will depend on their degree of resistance to the impulse.

Scorpio is the archetype through which humanity psychoanalyzes itself. The confrontation and crisis force this necessary analysis. "Why am I like this? Why do I function this way? Why, why, why?" People with this placement want to know the bottom line of any situation. They are natural psychologists. Because they have been dealing with inner confrontation for many lifetimes, they have a well-developed awareness of their own motivations, intentions, desires, and emotional patterns. In the negative state, people with this placement may manipulate others, to be in power positions. They do this by making others dependent on them. They focus on the weakest point in the other person and put it down. This is due to their own subconscious fear of having their authority undermined. In the positive state, they can help others see and understand how and why they are the way that they are, and to help them purge negative patterns that prevent growth. They will give power TO others rather than using power to control them.

Pluto in the 8th house demands direct experience - "prove it to me". Through direct experience they merge with the transformative symbol they have selected and BECOME the symbol. The 8th house also demands that the individual make choices about whom to be involved with, whom to commit to in relationship. They are learning to choose from among a variety of people another who resonates with their own needs, desires, karma, etc. In the 7th house we learn what we need from relationship. In the 8th house we already know this and are learning to make appropriate choices. At the core level they seek relationship with either someone who symbolizes something that the individual desires, or with someone who is looking to them as the symbol of transformation that person wants in their own life. Various degrees of use and manipulation will occur in either case, leading to emotional dependence. The need to unite with symbols creates the need for sexual union in this type of relationship, as the sexual experience creates the necessary penetration and merging of the Souls. We take in, and take on, those with whom we have sexually merged. An exchange of karma takes place through the exchange of sexual fluids, and through the merging of the physical, emotional, and etheric bodies. The inherent 8th house problem is using or manipulating others to get one's own needs met. Because the needs keep changing, typically they maintain the relationship only as long as it fulfills the current need. After that, from the 8th house person's perspective, the relationship has become stagnant. On the other hand there is a conflicting desire for commitment. This can manifest as attractions to other people that would threaten the existing relationship if followed. These temptations are powerful because they symbolize change vs. the perceived stagnation in the existing relationship. Resistance to the impulse can repress the temptation into the subconscious. Yet the need to transform the stagnation they are experiencing is real. The temptations become stronger.

Sometimes these people will manipulate and maintain a relationship for as long as their need lasts, and then move on. Often they use sex to get what they need. Sometimes sex is the reason for the involvement, though they don't admit that to themselves. Because of unresolved issues left from past life encounters of this nature, the people they are attracted to will be those they've been involved with in past lives. The attractions can be compulsive. There is often irrational behavior, from a this-life perspective. The source is past life experiences of abandonment, betrayal, or violations of emotional trust that subconsciously "˜bleed through' into this life. Others adapt the strategy of maintaining a situation to the bitter end, resisting all temptations to change it. This produces emotional withdrawal, and can lead to near-catatonic ways of coping with their own life. The root of this is the need to learn commitment. It occurs with one with whom there have been past life difficulties or leavings. Through this determination to stay they are fulfilling the past life karma.

In either of these strategies, when one person finally leaves, negative behavior can result since one or both may feel they have totally emotionally invested self in the relationship. The recommended strategy is to choose partners who are willing to change and evolve. The essence of "Soul Mates" is to promote the spiritual development of each person because of the relationship. Confrontations and growth occur but they promote growth rather than degenerate into negative or vindictive behaviors. Many of these people have had a series of very upsetting prior lives, either through karmic necessity, or through too much emotional dependence. If the individual had patterns of abusing sex to get what they wanted, they may find they are the recipients of similar behavior. Most of these people come into this life with a defensiveness and suspicion of other people's motives and intentions. It can take a very long time for such a person to truly trust another.

(Paraphrased from JWG's Pluto Vol. 1 and the School's DVD Course)


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Jen,

I'm just trying to gauge if all of the above applies to you.  Are you aware of these dynamics?  Is there anything written above that you have not experienced?  Does anything stand out more than the rest?  

Coming up in a few days, I'll post on Pluto in Libra.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda,

Wow!  That was some Post...deliciously intimate in its Pluto/8th detail.  And I can relate to every word in it, as I'm heavily 'Scorpiod'.  Back in the 50's there was a TV show called 'I led three lives'.  Oh, how many times I've thought of that show while seemingly pulled, disguises and all, without conscious consent, into abyss after abyss"¦

"¦ scrambling, driven compulsively to find that bottom line...hiding secret things (one life), while attempting to live the individuated (2nd life), straddling both polarities ...a water-skier with one foot on a dark shark, the other on a light one, scared to 'death' every moment that he will be split and annihilated...not knowing which he is...which half will 'win'.  Who the heck am I"¦really?    It consumes. It traumatizes, it exasperates"¦but at the same time, it exhilarates.  So he continues to ski, thinking he is smart enough to control the man-eating sharks.  Then"¦splash!  Ouch!
 
Then, somehow, after the plunge, he is renewed, knowing a little more than he did.
Thank God for Scorpio resiliency.  Resiliency is a Pluto gift.  Without it we could not recover from "˜Pluto-shock'.

The "˜detective' is relentless as a pissed-off Colombo.  Appearing to "˜give up', he keeps re-entering darkened rooms"¦always pressing ahead.  He could not stop if he wanted to, manipulating his prey into an inescapable corner with his secret tricks.  Truth?  Who knows the Truth?  Who can answer my question?

Sensitive to the slightest of nuances, the Pluto-person is cut deeply by insensitivity"¦and is totally attracted to the sensitive"¦the Princess who feels the pea"¦the Angel who understands.  His rampant insecurities are easily triggered.  The Princess knows instinctively how to soothe them.  If only he knew, if only he could accept that the Princess is he"¦that biting sharks are neutralized by love"¦that Oneness is his natural state.  He must, must, must find his way home.

He cannot be described as insincere as he makes his way homeward.  As his Soul evolves from one stage into the next, the manipulations and betrayals become completely unconscious, for a spiritual philosophy dominates his actions"¦and his conscious choices.  For the life of him, he cannot understand why he loves so strongly, so sincerely, yet continues to hurt those he loves most"¦hurts them badly.  
These are necessary crises to aid his continuing evolution.  The extremes grow greater, the dissatisfaction more intense the more he tries to do what is "˜right'.  Finally, the intense pressure pops him like a burnt piece of toast, out of the fire and into the realization that he is not the toaster"¦he was never in control.  He surrenders"¦

(Scorpio Asc, 12th house Scorpio Moon"¦exactly Square 9th house Pluto, which is exactly conjunct North Node.  Saturn, ruler of Sun, in 8th).

Hi Jen!
That was meant as an emotional complement to Linda's superb post"¦inspired by it.  My questions for you are, with Pluto ruling your 9th, how does Pluto in your 8th affect your conscious strategy for finding absolute "˜meaning'?  And how does Moon/Uranus in the 9th play out?

Hi Chuck,


I like your questioning because it adds another layer to Jen's Pluto in the 8th house dynamics.

You are basically saying that with Pluto 8th being Jen's "bottom-line" Soul dynamics, it is tied into the 9th house because Pluto rules the 9th house.  The 9th house contains 2 planets in Scorpio: Moon and Uranus.

In EA, the planet, sign and house are ONE ARCHETYPE.  Therefore Jen's 8th house, her Pluto, and the sign Scorpio are one archetype.  

House, sign and planet = one archetype

In EA we look at houses, signs, and planets as the same - 1st house, Aries, Mars all the same. The Soul combines them in different ways to deliver the important messages to itself through the vehicle of you, in more than one way. It's fine while learning EA to concentrate on just the houses or signs as long as you keep in mind they are all really the same. There's only so much the brain can assimilate at once, and segmenting it is a valid approach for some students. (Steve)

The Moon and Uranus in Scorpio therefore form a very important component of who she is on a Soul level.  Her Soul description could include:  power of ingenuity, objective, authentic, naturally intimate (Uranus in Scorpio);  and the Moon in Scorpio in the Spiritual evolutionary condition would indicate Soul-awareness.

Spiritual State

. . . Progressively, in this Spiritual state of evolution, the very center of gravity within the Soul's consciousness shifts from the subjective ego to the Soul itself. Once the center of gravity shifts to the Soul, then in the context of any given life the Soul is then able to simultaneously experience its specific individuality as reflected in the ego, while at the same time experiencing, being centered in, the Soul . . . (Rad)


~     ~     ~


Thank you for expanding upon Jen's Pluto Soul dynamics in this way.

Btw, I love your creative writing style.  This is a great way to describe the Scorpio archetype!!!  I hope you will join us again to share more of your work over the year.   :-*

Warmly,

Linda

YOD:  Neptune - Pluto - Vesta (apex) - Uranus (opposite apex)

Jen said:

21 August 2014 - Transiting Saturn Direct conjunct Uranus 

What I remember from this day is that I was confused about how to live, what I resonated with in terms of many different approaches to nurturing the body and soul. I came to the conclusion that evening that I would just do what feels right in any given moment, instead of committing to a philosophy that might be difficult to stay with. As I went to bed I read a post written by Ari that had the very words I was feeling and felt that it confirmed this to me. It read..

"I can only have faith that as I discover more of the truth in all the crevices of my life that I will ever align with the path that is so right for me. A path that does not assert rules and dogmas, a path that does not sacrifice the means for the sake of the ends, a path that is not lofty or complicated. Just a path that embodies the sacred in, though and as everything. Simple and Awesome in the truest sense. No teacher can succeed in giving me the lifestyle I seek. For this lifestyle must come from within. It must come from self knowledge - which is not something anyone can impart unto another"¦"
Thank you Ari!  :)

~     ~     ~

What was illuminated (Uranus) on that day was your commitment (Saturn) to truth and Natural Law (9th).

Let's see over the year if the theme you describe above keeps repeating when transiting planets conjunct Uranus (sensitive midpoint in the Yod).

Thanks,

Linda

Hi everyone.

The thread is going along nicely, I am hoping to post my thoughts very shortly.

Hi Cat and all,

Quote from: cat777 on Dec 10, 2014, 07:19 PM

Look at your 11th house. The 11th house ruler, Uranus is in the 9th house. The 11th house has Capricorn on the cusp ruled by Saturn in Virgo in the 7th House. This goes with what you are saying. If you focus on this and add all of the Saturn and Uranus aspects to this, it will give you more information about these past life experiences in which you were persecuted for your beliefs. Can you do that? Give it a try. Write it all down on a piece of paper with the keywords/archetypes. Meditate on it. See what comes to mind.  And then try to tie it all back to Pluto :-)

When connecting to the feeling of being rejected for my beliefs I feel that they are more about a natural state of being that of an actual belief system. It is about my own rejection of the patriarchal conditioning that has brought the persecution and made me feel alone in my truth.

I saw a film many years ago which always stayed with me as I connected so deeply to the story. It is called "The Magdalene Sisters" about young girls who were sent to the Magdalene asylums in Ireland for "crimes" such as flirting, speaking up after being raped or having a child out of wedlock etc. These were institutions for women who were labelled as "fallen" by their families or society, and were maintained by individual religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.  Magdalene Asylum's philosophy is to help young women return to God's grace through prayer, hard work and other forms of penance.

The trailer gives a fairly good picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhXKI9tAI_M and you can clearly see this reflected in the archetypes in my chart.

Jen

Hi Jen,

Thanks for sharing that. This looks like an interesting movie. I was just reading about it on Wikipedia: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magdalene_Sisters

Being that you connected so deeply to the story is meaningful. I guess you feel as though you had a similar experience in the past, meaning a situation similar to this. I'm thinking about seeking this movie out and watching it. :-) 

Hi Cat, Yes it is definitely worth watching. ;-)

Linda and all,

Regarding the Pluto in the 8th house. I do resonate with the Pluto 8th house archetype and I am very much aware of the dynamics.

In my own expression, I have mainly desired to change myself in order to transform my limitations. I will perceive the limitations within myself and do what I need to do to transform them. Many times this has required learning something new, merging with that and then applying it to my life. I would also confront any fears and transform them.

As a child I was very aware of death, that everything will die and nothing is constant. I remember feeling ok with the idea of death and didn´t fear it. I would see it as the ultimate freedom. I used to do things like ride my bicycle through dangerous intersections with my eyes closed.

In my past relationships I have found it easier to be emotionally removed or detached, to protect myself from eventual abandonment, betrayal or loss. I would not share my intimate feelings or vulnerabilities with anyone. I have had long term relationships and I have initiated the separation myself each time, but it has been on a mutual ground.

I have definitely had to learn lessons in emotional commitment in relationships, also to find the strength to be open and vulnerable regardless of the knowledge that everything might change.

I feel like I have ended a paragraph in my life and been reborn into a new chapter so I express myself in past tense of how the energies have manifested. Now everything is different. I feel very aware and conscious of my outmoded expressions and always choose to embrace my fears and move through them. I am fully exposed now and feel no need to hide behind any emotional walls.


Let me know if you would like me to elaborate further on anything.

Jen

Hi Chuck,

Thank you for your creative description of the Scorpio archetype  :)

Regarding your question..

Quote from: Chuck on Dec 11, 2014, 07:38 PM
with Pluto ruling your 9th, how does Pluto in your 8th affect your conscious strategy for finding absolute "˜meaning'? 

I will need proof and cannot merely believe anything. I either know it or not. This is, of course, always changing and evolving.

Quote from: Chuck on Dec 11, 2014, 07:38 PM
And how does Moon/Uranus in the 9th play out?

This has played out on so many different levels throughout my life. From constantly moving homes to being  aware of past life memories. Linda described it perfectly in her post

Quote from: Linda on Dec 12, 2014, 12:58 AM
The Moon and Uranus in Scorpio therefore form a very important component of who she is on a Soul level.  Her Soul description could include:  power of ingenuity, objective, authentic, naturally intimate (Uranus in Scorpio);  and the Moon in Scorpio in the Spiritual evolutionary condition would indicate Soul-awareness.

I resonate with all of the above.

Thank you both!
Jen

Linda and everyone,

When I read this it reminded me of another commitment to truth and natural law that I made.

Quote from: Linda on Dec 12, 2014, 01:19 AM

What was illuminated (Uranus) on that day was your commitment (Saturn) to truth and Natural Law (9th).

It was the choice not to vaccinate my children.. not only the choice not to vaccinate but the choice to take full responsibility for every aspect of my own and my childrens lives. The choice to step into my own authority and to fully trust nature to be perfectly orchestrated exactly the way it is without interference. That no form of education gives another a better knowledge or understanding of myself, my needs, my childrens needs etc. It was a powerful decision and it has been tested many times since then and it was one of the ultimate realizations needed to connect to and strengthen my inner knowing and most importantly to trust it.

I looked to find when this awareness and choice had happened and it was on the days preceding the Transiting Saturn Direct conjunct Uranus on 21st August 2014.

Just to add more emphasis to this theme. :)

Jen

Hi Jen and everyone,


Thanks for your above post regarding the choice not to vaccinate your children and for providing answers to the many questions in this thread. I will draw up a table of aspects and events. You're doing great!


DAREDEVIL TENDENCY 

I remember feeling ok with the idea of death and didn't fear it. I would see it as the ultimate freedom. I used to do things like ride my bicycle through dangerous intersections with my eyes closed.

Daredevil tendency or taking risks correlates to Mars. Mars square Pluto (last quarter). When I read this and Jen's earlier statement ("I tempted fate on a daily basis"), I wondered if this was really an unconscious death wish since she also has those Neptune skipped steps. If she had been hit by a car, it would have been a very public death (Neptune conj MC ruled by Jupiter in Leo). Jen's statements also feel like she possibly needed to gain some attention from taking such risks (Mars in Cancer 5th).

Jen mentioned in her Bio violence in the past and that would correlate to Mars square Pluto and also to the South Node of Mars conjunct Pluto Libra 8th. I wondered if she were inflicting self-violence (Scorpio) and what would be the deeper reasons behind that.


NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS

I am fully exposed now and feel no need to hide behind any emotional walls.

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

In case you missed it in her Bio, Jen is very pregnant and due to give birth in January at which time transiting Pluto will oppose her Mars Cancer 5th:  NEW BIRTH!!  


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda and everyone,

Regarding your statements.. I believe I can add some more clarification.

Quote from: Linda on Dec 12, 2014, 04:39 PM
Daredevil tendency or taking risks correlates to Mars. Mars square Pluto (last quarter). When I read this and Jen's earlier statement ("I tempted fate on a daily basis"), I wondered if this was really an unconscious death wish since she also has those Neptune skipped steps. If she had been hit by a car, it would have been a very public death (Neptune conj MC ruled by Jupiter in Leo). Jen's statements also feel like she possibly needed to gain some attention from taking such risks.

Jen mentioned in her Bio violence in the past and that would correlate to Mars square Pluto and also to the South Node of Mars conjunct Pluto Libra 8th. I wondered if she were inflicting self-violence (Scorpio) and what would be the deeper reasons behind that.

I believe that all of the above were true. Sometimes this behavior was purely for the thrill (Mars in Cancer 5th) other times it was about the need to liberate myself from emotional pain (Moon conjunct Uranus in Scorpio ruled by Pluto 8th/ Mars in Cancer square (disseminating phase) to Pluto 8th) There was a total lack of self-love and that in combination with the fearlessness and impulsive behavior and the need to remove limitations created many different dynamics.

I feel as though I came into this world not wanting to and found reasons to want to be here throughout life but they would be removed or change and then I would find myself in that space again. I was totally disconnected from any spiritual aspect in my life and felt like there was no meaning. I believe this is to do with the Neptune skipped steps? The returning desire but without the conscious realization of the ocean would lead to the death wish. That would be the only way to return to source.

What do you think?

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

It definitely feels like this could be true. I would have never found myself doing this in the past and I have had to confront and process a number of fears already so it most certainly feels like evolutionary progress.

In case you missed it in her Bio, Jen is very pregnant and due to give birth in January at which time transiting Pluto will oppose her Mars Cancer 5th:  NEW BIRTH!! 

How exciting!! To add to this Pluto is transiting the 4th house in my solar return chart (not sure how to post it) :)

Thank you!
Jen

Hi Jen and Cat, I was wondering why (Cat) that you were looking to the 11th house cusp as an indicator to persecution from past lives? It would seem to me that Neptune in Sag, in the 10th house square the nodes is already a direct reference to 'Religious Judgement' Persecution/ Oppression (10th house) because of or through Religious/Spiritual (Neptune/Sag) institutions/authorities (10th house) etc..  In relation to Jens comments about the Magdalene laundries... add that Neptune squares (Pisces/Virgo nodes) associated with Christianity. The Neptune signature also resonates here in some of your words Jen.. we normally associate the 10th house /Capricorn and Saturn, with a fall from grace. well with Neptune there its not hard to imagine being projected onto as one who has fallen from grace.. Gods grace even!! (as determined  by the authorities at the time.... with the prescribed remedy being, as you mention, Hard work, penance, atonement 10th house / Virgo).

LOL..Neptune is a slippery guy... in fact he slipped right by not being calculated in the original chart posted here (right in line with what we expect from him). Maybe.... all the more reason to look directly at his influence, especially as part of the karmic signature. 

Quote from: Jen on Dec 12, 2014, 02:03 PM
Hi Cat and all,

Quote from: cat777 on Dec 10, 2014, 07:19 PM

Look at your 11th house. The 11th house ruler, Uranus is in the 9th house. The 11th house has Capricorn on the cusp ruled by Saturn in Virgo in the 7th House. This goes with what you are saying. If you focus on this and add all of the Saturn and Uranus aspects to this, it will give you more information about these past life experiences in which you were persecuted for your beliefs. Can you do that? Give it a try. Write it all down on a piece of paper with the keywords/archetypes. Meditate on it. See what comes to mind.  And then try to tie it all back to Pluto :-)

When connecting to the feeling of being rejected for my beliefs I feel that they are more about a natural state of being that of an actual belief system. It is about my own rejection of the patriarchal conditioning that has brought the persecution and made me feel alone in my truth.

I saw a film many years ago which always stayed with me as I connected so deeply to the story. It is called "The Magdalene Sisters" about young girls who were sent to the Magdalene asylums in Ireland for "crimes" such as flirting, speaking up after being raped or having a child out of wedlock etc. These were institutions for women who were labelled as "fallen" by their families or society, and were maintained by individual religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.  Magdalene Asylum's philosophy is to help young women return to God's grace through prayer, hard work and other forms of penance.

The trailer gives a fairly good picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhXKI9tAI_M and you can clearly see this reflected in the archetypes in my chart.

Jen

Quote from: Linda on Dec 12, 2014, 04:39 PM
Hi Jen and everyone,

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.


Thanks,

Linda

Linda what an beautiful observation!!! And Jen ...I would second that... the karmic condition of having ones Authentic self ( Sag) become suppressed/repressed (10th ) obfuscated and confused ( Neptune) ....and further Pisces/Virgo nodes in the 1st /7th, adding layers of dissappering, conforming to others expectations, internalizing others projections/expectations (as a part of ones own identity) ....YES this life it's time to )Virgo NN DEFINE yourself in relation to others (Ruler merc also in Leo in the 7th), with clear eyed discernment. Much more to be said about all this...as we all enjoy the progressive revelation of all-that-is-Jen.

PS"¦ Slight diversion"¦..While I recently referred to Neptune as "˜he' and even cringed while I was typing it, I'd like to share that in some recent ponderings on the archetype of Neptune, outside of Greco/Roman patriarchal influence Neptune/Pisces associates, to me, quite nicely with the ancient Mesopotamian Goddess Tiamat.

See Wiki brief description"¦

"In Mesopotamian Religion (Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian and Babylonian), Tiamat is a chaos monster, a primordial goddess of the ocean, mating with Abzû (the god of fresh water) to produce younger gods. It is suggested that there are two parts to the Tiamat mythos, the first in which Tiamat is 'creatrix', through a "Sacred marriage" between salt and fresh water, peacefully creating the cosmos through successive generations. In the second "Chaoskampf" Tiamat is considered the monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos.[1] Although there are no early precedents for it, some sources identify her with images of a sea serpent or dragon.[2] In the Enûma Elish, the Babylonian epic of creation, she gives birth to the first generation of deities; her husband, Apsu, later makes war upon them and is killed. When she, too, wars upon her husband's murderers, she is then slain by Ea's son, the storm-god Marduk. The heavens and the earth are formed from her divided body."

In my understanding, the first representation of Tiamat as a primordial creatrix goddess pre-dates patriarchal influence, and the second representation, where she is overpowered by Marduk is theorized to represent Patriarchy overpowering matrifocal civilization.

Hi Patricia,

QuoteI was wondering why (Cat) that you were looking to the 11th house cusp as an indicator to persecution from past lives? It would seem to me that Neptune in Sag, in the 10th house square the nodes is already a direct reference to 'Religious Judgement' Persecution/ Oppression (10th house) because of or through Religious/Spiritual (Neptune/Sag) institutions/authorities (10th house) etc..

Umm, because I don't know what I am doing?   ::)  Seriously, I wasn't really taking an in-depth look at the chart like I should have been. It was just that when I read that statement by Jen, I automatically looked at her 11th house for some reason and saw it that way. To be honest, I did not look any further or at the skipped steps at all. It was just one of those first glance moments.  (Bad, bad, bad - I know) :-)  

What you point out is so correct. If I were to sit down and study this chart properly, I hope I would have picked up on that first as it is more significant. It's just that the word persecution seems to set off some need to look at the 11th/AQ/Urn archetype in me. I think this goes back to when we studied Lady Gaga :-)

Or maybe Neptune was hiding from me????  

QuoteLOL..Neptune is a slippery guy... in fact he slipped right by not being calculated in the original chart posted here (right in line with what we expect from him). Maybe.... all the more reason to look directly at his influence, especially as part of the karmic signature.  

Too funny!

Welcome Patricia!


Wonderful to have you join in.

Already, you have pin-pointed some very pertinent and amazing insights into Jen's chart.  

Bring it on!   ;D

Cat I was just questioning as I thought you were pointing out something I wasn't seeing. No problem.... its all in the service of learning. I observe that many signatures are often repeated in charts, which sometimes has people pointing to different things as the 'origin' of something. It certainly can get confusing!! In the EA paradigm one need to look no further, to start to discern karmic conditions, than Pluto and the nodes...(as we know with rulers aspects etc..). I am so hyper -focused on that as the bottom line of a chart that I often never even retain a persons sun sign..but years later I'll remember their Pluto and nodes ;-)

Quote from: cat777 on Dec 13, 2014, 12:52 PM
Hi Patricia,

QuoteI was wondering why (Cat) that you were looking to the 11th house cusp as an indicator to persecution from past lives? It would seem to me that Neptune in Sag, in the 10th house square the nodes is already a direct reference to 'Religious Judgement' Persecution/ Oppression (10th house) because of or through Religious/Spiritual (Neptune/Sag) institutions/authorities (10th house) etc..

Umm, because I don't know what I am doing?   ::)  Seriously, I wasn't really taking an in-depth look at the chart like I should have been. It was just that when I read that statement by Jen, I automatically looked at her 11th house for some reason and saw it that way. To be honest, I did not look any further or at the skipped steps at all. It was just one of those first glance moments.  (Bad, bad, bad - I know) :-)  

What you point out is so correct. If I were to sit down and study this chart properly, I hope I would have picked up on that first as it is more significant. It's just that the word persecution seems to set off some need to look at the 11th/AQ/Urn archetype in me. I think this goes back to when we studied Lady Gaga :-)

Or maybe Neptune was hiding from me????  

QuoteLOL..Neptune is a slippery guy... in fact he slipped right by not being calculated in the original chart posted here (right in line with what we expect from him). Maybe.... all the more reason to look directly at his influence, especially as part of the karmic signature.  

Too funny!

Hello All  :)

While a cake requires eggs, eggs alone do not make a cake, so rather than stopping on Pluto and the Nodes, I'd really like to learn more and to dig deeper. I'd like to study the inherent components of this intriguing chart, we want to pull out the stronger themes for dissection.

I see this chart as a unique picture describing Jen's graduating life experience...

Because of this, I'd like to go back to the Yod configuration with Vesta pulling focus through Uranus. Attaching to Linda's point of the 11th cusp as it pertains to the persecution signature indicated in Pluto & the Nodal Axis.
Can we explore this further? I'm seeing the previously noted Neptune conjunction to Vesta's South Node as an obvious clue worth deeper investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Jen, do you have some input on how these themes may have played out in your experiences? Do you have any stories on this theme? Timing?

Thank you,
Dawn Cerise

Hi, weighing/waying in.. ;)
It seems to me that Jen your Neptune skipped step, with Pisces the sign of south Node in the first, and that loaded North Node, ruled by the Mercury Jupiter trining Neptune, suggests it is a lifetime that you become an inspired teacher, one who has moved beyond the personality of religion, as well as limiting belief systems of any kind. 

Instead I see you using the 10th house to be the example to others ( PL in Libra ) of a person whose dignity and integrity ( 10 h, Saturn conj no node ) allows her to stay in the be here now moments you describe earlier in the thread, as you become better in this life of embracing impermance.  As you mature you allow your true connection to the divine, and to mother nature's laws, to inform you. 

I see the North Node is suggesting that you again integrate the Capricorn theme of the Neptune in the 10th house to be responsible to how you earn your money ( venus no node Saturn) in this life.  The Virgo takes me back to the Chiron, healing your mind ( 3rd house ) and finding spiritual work.  Vesta conj Chiron backs this up, as does the 10h... again.

It seems that the( Uranus 17)  Moon ( a boomerang not a yod ) as the boomerang point of the yod to the apex (17 Vesta)  Chiron  ( healing your sacred work )  allows you to integrate your need for "freedom from the known", and your ability to be a psychic ( EA ) detective with your Soul's desire ( Pluto 17) and inspire and lead others (17 Neptune in the 10th house).  Also those lucky children who will learn so much from you, much like JWG's family.

The core of Pluto in Libra being backed up by the stellium and NO NODE in the 7h, one on one therapy/counselling, and of course the aries libra nodal axis showing us your need to find the balance between your personal need to be a parent (10H) and that which will truly help transform the lives of others.. ( no node conj Saturn, other 10h signature, leadership/guidance, giving others clarity and dignity). 

So, as you move away from all limiting beliefs ( neptune skipped step ) and find the balance between what you need for yourself for your own spiritual growth vedic use  south node for spiritual growth) pisces/ in the first house ) you will find the correct touch to both create financial support ( no node = material growth/ with venus  and saturn for practicality)and really stay in touch with an evolving truth, once again, rather than anything limiting, as you have stated yourself as well in an earlier thread... 

Uranus Moon opposite Vesta and Chiron tells me your emotional honesty is going to allow you work on yourself so that any new age spiritual fundamentalist virus trips are outgrown, suggesting a movement from first stage to second stage spirituality...   

Also the Sag quality suggests to me that you are here to write some books, as the Chiron Vesta in the third seems you perhaps avoided or put on hold... and doing so both helps your subconscious and emotional growth.  Moon Uranus giving you that be here now/ impermanent/ freedom from the know/ which gives your mind the ability to keep exploring all twelve pieces of the puzzle the 3rd house loves to explore.
Moon Uranus also suggests to me that the more you trust the moments, the provident uni-verse of mother nature, the more it showers you with blessings...

Hope some of this rings true...

Tashi
PS:  Question,  JWG taught me a 17 degree orb,  how did they get smaller?

Quote from EA Glossary:


USE AND FUNCTION OF PLANETARY NODES


Any natal planet will have its own North and South Nodes. The natal planets correlate to the current life of course. Yet each one of these planets has a past that has brought it to the current life. And that past is defined by not only the actual house and sign of the natal planet, but also its own South Node. Thus, the relationship between the natal planet by house, sign, and aspects correlates to the totality of its past that directly correlates to how and why it has come into the current life: the past that has led to the current moment, one's current life. So, in essence, the natal planet by house, sign, and aspect, relative to its South Node, is the totality of that past that has led to the current moment, the current life. This is no different than the South Node of the Moon, and the current natal Moon in one's birth chart. All the prior life egocentric structures created by the Soul that have correlated to prior life evolutionary dynamics that have led to the current life, the current egocentric structure that has been created because of the totality of the past. The current life Moon sign is the bridge between the past and the future, its North Node, as integrated and lived on a moment to moment basis in the context of the current life. Thus, the current life Moon by house, sign, and aspects, relative to its Nodes, and the planetary ruler of those Nodes by their own house and sign locations, the aspects to them, is the constant that evolves within itself as a reflection of this dynamic tension between the past and the future as integrated in each moment of our life.

This is exactly the same for all of our planets. They are in their own houses and signs, making whatever aspects to other planets, that have all contributed to the past life development of those planets that constitute the existing reality for any of us at the moment of birth. The South Nodes of these planets, like the South Node of the Moon, correlates to the history of those planets at different points in time. This correlates to the inner memories in any of our Souls that have all lead to the orientation of our Souls to the current life that we are living, the very reasons for the current life in all of its dimensions that must keep evolving, keep moving towards a future that is reflected in the ongoing evolutionary intentions for our Souls. All planets have their North Nodes, just as the Moon does. The North Node of these planets, like the Moon, correlates to the evolutionary progression and development of those planets. The natal position of the (whatever) planet, like the Moon, correlates to how the dynamic tension of our past and future is lived and integrated in each moment of our life. In essence, our past leads to the current moment, and that current moment is always moving towards a future. We can only know that there is in fact a future because we have had a past. The past leading to the moment is that which serves as the way any of us integrate, and move forwards into our future, where that future is the evolutionary intentions for our current life.

Thus, the North Nodes of the planets serve as the vehicles for the evolutionary future to manifest which is integrated in each moment by the natal position of those planets. The Nodes of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto move very, very slowly over great lengths of time. Thus, they have a generational as well as an individual application. Individual because they will be in each person's natal chart somewhere that is unique to that person. Yet generational because they are in the same sign for all of us. The South Nodes of Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn are in Capricorn for all of us. The North Nodes of Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn are in Cancer for all of us. Historically speaking, the South Nodes of these planets are in Capricorn, and that is the time frame in which the transition between the Matriarchy and the Patriarchy occurred. All Souls on Earth as a result are linked to that time whether they actually lived at that time or not. It is the COLLECTIVE MEMORY of that time that all Souls will draw upon as reflected in the current life they are living. So too with the South Node of Uranus which will be in Sagittarius for all of us, its North Node in Gemini. And the South Node of Neptune is in Aquarius for all of us, and its North Node in Leo. The North Nodes of all of these planets thus correlate to all peoples living on the planet now. They correlate to the evolutionary intentions for the entire species as that species, human beings, continue to evolve as a species. And, of course, the ongoing evolutionary intentions and necessities of the species can only be understood in direct relationship of the past of that species: the South Nodes.

Mars, Mercury, and Venus and their Nodes move through the signs much more quickly that the outer planets do. And these planets all correlate to that which is highly personal and unique to each Soul, its own individual reality that exists within the context of living with all the other humans that are living at the same time. The same principles of the past leading to the moment, and how that moment moves to the future, apply in these Nodes as well of course. The natal sign of these planets is that which is the constant, that which integrates the dynamic tension between the past and the future that is experienced in each moment. This then allows for an evolution to take place within the natal sign and house of these planets. (Rad)

Hello dawncerise,


YOD

Quote from: dawncerise on Dec 15, 2014, 09:30 PM

While a cake requires eggs, eggs alone do not make a cake, so rather than stopping on Pluto and the Nodes, I'd really like to learn more and to dig deeper. I'd like to study the inherent components of this intriguing chart, we want to pull out the stronger themes for dissection.

I'm in ~ and I hope many others will add to this particular part of the discussion/dissection in order to gain deeper insight.

Quote. . . I'd like to go back to the Yod configuration with Vesta pulling focus through Uranus. Attaching to Linda's point [this was Cat's point  ;) ] of the 11th cusp as it pertains to the persecution signature indicated in Pluto & the Nodal Axis. Can we explore this further? I'm seeing the previously noted Neptune conjunction to Vesta's South Node as an obvious clue worth deeper investigation. Thoughts anyone?

PLUTO SQUARING ITS OWN NODES


As I began to dissect the Yod, I discovered something very important.  

Beginning with Pluto in the primary evolutionary/karmic axis:

-  South Node of Pluto 18 deg Capricorn 11th
-  Pluto 17 deg Libra 8th
-  North Node of Pluto 21 deg Cancer 5th

Pluto is t-square its own Nodes!  

This symbolism has generational applications in terms of the houses, thus Jen's individual relationship with her Pluto Libra generation and how it serves her evolutionary intentions. If we employ the technique for skipped steps, then resolution to the past enormous developmental stress (resistance, unwillingness to change, inertia, fixity) of the t-square can be found at the North Node of Pluto 21 deg Cancer 5th (children, creative self-expression, emotional self-security).

In the Soul's past lives journey it sought to understand the psychology of relationships through the principles of penetration (Pluto Libra 8th) in minute detail (ruler of Pluto: Venus Virgo 7th), but experienced traumatic shocks, persecution and judgment (Capricorn) from her group of friends (11th) and how to express her will and power (5th).

The resolution through Cancer 5th is to take charge of her own destiny, and to break free from the past (11th). The in-depth psychological investigations can then be put to creative use (rather than remaining in emotional inertia). It also means that the Soul must learn to take the initiative (Cancer cardinal) and not wait for the approval of her generation. Jen has shared some proof of this through thinking for herself: not vaccinating her children, thus going against the consensus of her generation. Jen is different and she is learning to create emotional safety to harness her power and develop her own purpose and link it to society in a constructive way. Through self-actualization and understanding that others are just as special as she is, she can become an effective teacher and instrument of generational change.

Through thoroughly understanding the Soul, its past, and its desires (Pluto Libra 8th), we can then tie this understanding into our examination of the Yod and any other symbol in the chart.

Much more to come . . .


Thanks,

Linda

Quote from: [email protected] on Dec 16, 2014, 04:28 AM
Hi, weighing/waying in.. ;)

It seems to me that Jen your Neptune skipped step, with Pisces the sign of south Node in the first, and that loaded North Node, ruled by the Mercury Jupiter trining Neptune, suggests it is a lifetime that you become an inspired teacher, one who has moved beyond the personality of religion, as well as limiting belief systems of any kind.  

Instead I see you using the 10th house to be the example to others ( PL in Libra ) of a person whose dignity and integrity ( 10 h, Saturn conj no node ) allows her to stay in the be here now moments you describe earlier in the thread, as you become better in this life of embracing impermanence.  As you mature you allow your true connection to the divine, and to mother nature's laws, to inform you.  

I see the North Node is suggesting that you again integrate the Capricorn theme of the Neptune in the 10th house to be responsible to how you earn your money ( venus no node Saturn) in this life.  The Virgo takes me back to the Chiron, healing your mind ( 3rd house ) and finding spiritual work.  Vesta conj Chiron backs this up, as does the 10h... again.

It seems that the( Uranus 17)  Moon ( a boomerang not a yod ) as the boomerang point of the yod to the apex (17 Vesta)  Chiron  ( healing your sacred work )  allows you to integrate your need for "freedom from the known", and your ability to be a psychic ( EA ) detective with your Soul's desire ( Pluto 17) and inspire and lead others (17 Neptune in the 10th house).  Also those lucky children who will learn so much from you, much like JWG's family.

The core of Pluto in Libra being backed up by the stellium and NO NODE in the 7h, one on one therapy/counselling, and of course the aries libra nodal axis showing us your need to find the balance between your personal need to be a parent (10H) and that which will truly help transform the lives of others.. ( no node conj Saturn, other 10h signature, leadership/guidance, giving others clarity and dignity).  

So, as you move away from all limiting beliefs ( neptune skipped step ) and find the balance between what you need for yourself for your own spiritual growth vedic use  south node for spiritual growth) pisces/ in the first house ) you will find the correct touch to both create financial support ( no node = material growth/ with venus  and saturn for practicality)and really stay in touch with an evolving truth, once again, rather than anything limiting, as you have stated yourself as well in an earlier thread...  

Uranus Moon opposite Vesta and Chiron tells me your emotional honesty is going to allow you work on yourself so that any new age spiritual fundamentalist virus trips are outgrown, suggesting a movement from first stage to second stage spirituality...    

Also the Sag quality suggests to me that you are here to write some books, as the Chiron Vesta in the third seems you perhaps avoided or put on hold... and doing so both helps your subconscious and emotional growth.  Moon Uranus giving you that be here now/ impermanent/ freedom from the know/ which gives your mind the ability to keep exploring all twelve pieces of the puzzle the 3rd house loves to explore.

Moon Uranus also suggests to me that the more you trust the moments, the provident uni-verse of mother nature, the more it showers you with blessings...

Hope some of this rings true...

Tashi
PS:  Question,  JWG taught me a 17 degree orb,  how did they get smaller?

Hello Tashi


NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS


Welcome to our group ~ and thanks so much for submitting some of your insights regarding Jen's Neptune skipped steps and other archetypes.

17 deg orb seems awfully wide.  Can you please quote the source for a 17 deg orb?


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Hi Jen

An idea would be to copy Tashi's above statements, and then either confirm or refute them (some may be true in part) according to your real life experiences.  


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Thank you both,

Linda

Hi Jen and everyone,


NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS


Jen:  I was totally disconnected from any spiritual aspect in my life and felt like there was no meaning. I believe this is to do with the Neptune skipped steps? The returning desire but without the conscious realization of the ocean would lead to the death wish. That would be the only way to return to source.


This post brings up a variety of questions that hopefully can be answered in time.

Developing and consistently focusing upon the Resolution Node (North Node) leads to breaking free from the habitual unconscious skipping pattern between the Nodes. Neptune is unconscious while the 7th house is conscious. Virgo correlates to consciously analyzing inner dynamics that need adjustment, improvement or purification. The Soul seeks to resolve the skipped steps by creating harmony, balance and equality within the structures of partnerships.

Dissecting the Neptune archetype:

-  Neptune square the Nodes @ 9 deg orb (skipped steps almost recovered)
-  South Node Neptune Aquarius 12th (groups, monastery, institution, jail)
-  Neptune Sagittarius 10th (structure of consciousness, spiritualization, beliefs)
-  North Node Neptune Leo 6th (work, service, purification, communication of rational dynamics)
-  Saturn square Neptune, last quarter (stressful, amplifying the skipped steps)
-  Jupiter trine Neptune, disseminating (indicates fruition condition in the current life)
-  BML square Neptune, disseminating (Resolution Lilith plays a healing role)

• Was the Soul trying to ESCAPE something from past lives?


• Did the Soul dissociate itself - hiding signature - because it had been too dangerous to publically expose spirituality and truth?


• Had the Soul been victimized, persecuted and judged for its beliefs?


• What cycles of crisis has Jen had to deal with?


• What were family and parents like in past lives and in the current life?


• What about past life and current life partners? (7th)


• Does money figure in this story? (7th)


• How do the whispers from eternity (Source) direct Jen to spiritualize her life through other people?


• What spiritual or right work can be performed to ground the undefined energies of Neptune?


• How can Jen integrate the Neptune energies into society?

[Correction:  There is no final dispositor in Jen's chart because there is no planet ruled by its own sign.]

The Resolution North Node is facilitated by Mercury.  Mercury is in mutual reception with the Sun in Virgo.  What is the evolutionary necessity of having Mercury and Sun in mutual reception?

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

Jen:  It definitely feels like this could be true. I would have never found myself doing this in the past and I have had to confront and process a number of fears already so it most certainly feels like evolutionary progress.

Are you able to share these fears?  Perhaps they may give us a clue into what happened in distant past lives that resulted in the Soul creating skipped steps.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi Linda... Well, I attended the EA school in Laguna Beach ( I think it was two weeks in 1998-2000? )... I thought it was so wide at the time, but JWG said it was what he used, and what we should use... for skipped steps to the nodes... There is probably a transcript or a dvd, i don't have my tapes from that period anymore... but that is my recollection because it was such a stretch for me.... and now 14 years later, it seems appropriate.
Warmly
Tashi

QuoteHi Linda... Well, I attended the EA school in Laguna Beach ( I think it was two weeks in 1998-2000? )... I thought it was so wide at the time, but JWG said it was what he used, and what we should use... for skipped steps to the nodes... There is probably a transcript or a dvd, i don't have my tapes from that period anymore... but that is my recollection because it was such a stretch for me.... and now 14 years later, it seems appropriate.
Warmly
Tashi

I was watching an old video the other day and it pretty much said that we should be looking at the phasal relationships between two planets rather than aspects. Such a relationship exists between every planetary pair. So, this is yet another way of looking at it.

Hi Jen,

QuoteI saw a film many years ago which always stayed with me as I connected so deeply to the story. It is called "The Magdalene Sisters" about young girls who were sent to the Magdalene asylums in Ireland for "crimes" such as flirting, speaking up after being raped or having a child out of wedlock etc. These were institutions for women who were labelled as "fallen" by their families or society, and were maintained by individual religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.  Magdalene Asylum's philosophy is to help young women return to God's grace through prayer, hard work and other forms of penance.

I watched this film in Spanish last night while I was working. It came across as very sadistic. Every time I looked up at the screen it seemed that someone was getting beat or whipped, stripped naked, etc. At one point one of the girls tried to hang herself. Thinking about it and realizing that it is probably very realistic and thinking about how it resonates with you as a possible past life experience  is interesting to say the least. Do you identify with the girl who tried to hang herself?

Quote from: [email protected] on Dec 16, 2014, 04:28 AM

PS:  Question,  JWG taught me a 17 degree orb, how did they get smaller?

Hi Tashi,


Here are some quotes from the EA Glossary, which have all been confirmed by Rad for their accuracy.

The paragraph by JWG could relate to the 17 deg orb that you heard JWG mention in Laguna.
[Please see Rad's Reply No. 52 below]


Planet square Nodes, 10 degree orb

A maximum orb of 10 degrees for all planets squaring the Nodes. (Rad)

The tighter the orb, the greater the intensity of that planetary relationship. (Ari)

In those outer degrees, the correlation means that the Soul is giving itself the INITIAL opportunity to address and resolve what the skipped steps have been. As the degrees become closer to exact, this correlates to the fact that previous to those closer degrees the Soul has resisted the opportunity to resolve those skipped step issues. Thus, the closer degrees create a condition relative to the previous resistance wherein the nature of the skipped steps become ever more intense and focused, apparent, in the individual's life with the resulting intensity therein. So, the outer degrees correlate to the opportunity to resolve those skipped steps without the increasing compression that the resistance breeds to the necessity of resolving those skipped steps. It is all relative because of the Natural Law of free will/free choice. (JWG)


Planet (applying) just outside of orb of a square to the Nodes

The potential development of a skipped step in the future. (Rad)


Planet (separating) just outside of orb of a square to the Nodes

It means that the Soul has just finished recovering the skipped steps. (Rad)


Thanks,

Linda

Here's the full movie in English:


The Magdalene Sisters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdSmjIvJ8Dc

All,

JWG never taught anywhere that a 17orb should be used in anything including skipped steps between planets/ nodes. If this were true he would have taught such a thing everywhere he taught, and in all that he wrote. He didn't. If so, there certainly would be more documentation than Tashi's personal recollection which itself can not be documented other than what she thinks she remembers. In any case, this just did not ever happen.

God Bless, Rad

Hello everyone,

Thank you Patricia, for you input regarding the skipped steps. I have felt that they were very active in my life but you put it in such a clarifying way regarding having "fallen from grace.. Gods grace even!!"  In fact I resonate with all that you have written.


Dawn Cerise

Quote from: dawncerise on Dec 15, 2014, 09:30 PM
Because of this, I'd like to go back to the Yod configuration with Vesta pulling focus through Uranus. Attaching to Linda's point of the 11th cusp as it pertains to the persecution signature indicated in Pluto & the Nodal Axis.
Can we explore this further? I'm seeing the previously noted Neptune conjunction to Vesta's South Node as an obvious clue worth deeper investigation.
Thoughts anyone?
Jen, do you have some input on how these themes may have played out in your experiences? Do you have any stories on this theme? Timing?

I honestly don´t know enough about Vesta to give an accurate answer to your question but looking at major transits and what was happening in my life can give some clarity.

When transiting Pluto was approaching Uranus in 1988-89 I moved to a suburb in London with more nature to explore in. This also meant leaving the dreaded catholic school. I spent very much of my time in the forest climbing trees or in the river exploring so there was a return to nature. And when Pluto was completely conjunct Uranus I remember starting a school protest for girls to have the right to wear trousers in School. This was quite a big deal and it succeeded.

When Pluto later transited Neptune and the south node of Vesta I also returned to nature. I bought a cottage in the countryside where I spent the next few years healing from the shock of my awakening to the distortions of the world.  

If there are any other transits you would like me to look at just let me know. ;)

Jen

Quote from: [email protected] on Dec 16, 2014, 04:28 AM
Hi, weighing/waying in.. ;)
It seems to me that Jen your Neptune skipped step, with Pisces the sign of south Node in the first, and that loaded North Node, ruled by the Mercury Jupiter trining Neptune, suggests it is a lifetime that you become an inspired teacher, one who has moved beyond the personality of religion, as well as limiting belief systems of any kind.  

Instead I see you using the 10th house to be the example to others ( PL in Libra ) of a person whose dignity and integrity ( 10 h, Saturn conj no node ) allows her to stay in the be here now moments you describe earlier in the thread, as you become better in this life of embracing impermance.  As you mature you allow your true connection to the divine, and to mother nature's laws, to inform you.  

I see the North Node is suggesting that you again integrate the Capricorn theme of the Neptune in the 10th house to be responsible to how you earn your money ( venus no node Saturn) in this life.  The Virgo takes me back to the Chiron, healing your mind ( 3rd house ) and finding spiritual work.  Vesta conj Chiron backs this up, as does the 10h... again.

It seems that the( Uranus 17)  Moon ( a boomerang not a yod ) as the boomerang point of the yod to the apex (17 Vesta)  Chiron  ( healing your sacred work )  allows you to integrate your need for "freedom from the known", and your ability to be a psychic ( EA ) detective with your Soul's desire ( Pluto 17) and inspire and lead others (17 Neptune in the 10th house).  Also those lucky children who will learn so much from you, much like JWG's family.

The core of Pluto in Libra being backed up by the stellium and NO NODE in the 7h, one on one therapy/counselling, and of course the aries libra nodal axis showing us your need to find the balance between your personal need to be a parent (10H) and that which will truly help transform the lives of others.. ( no node conj Saturn, other 10h signature, leadership/guidance, giving others clarity and dignity).  

So, as you move away from all limiting beliefs ( neptune skipped step ) and find the balance between what you need for yourself for your own spiritual growth vedic use  south node for spiritual growth) pisces/ in the first house ) you will find the correct touch to both create financial support ( no node = material growth/ with venus  and saturn for practicality)and really stay in touch with an evolving truth, once again, rather than anything limiting, as you have stated yourself as well in an earlier thread...  

Uranus Moon opposite Vesta and Chiron tells me your emotional honesty is going to allow you work on yourself so that any new age spiritual fundamentalist virus trips are outgrown, suggesting a movement from first stage to second stage spirituality...    

Also the Sag quality suggests to me that you are here to write some books, as the Chiron Vesta in the third seems you perhaps avoided or put on hold... and doing so both helps your subconscious and emotional growth.  Moon Uranus giving you that be here now/ impermanent/ freedom from the know/ which gives your mind the ability to keep exploring all twelve pieces of the puzzle the 3rd house loves to explore.
Moon Uranus also suggests to me that the more you trust the moments, the provident uni-verse of mother nature, the more it showers you with blessings...

Hope some of this rings true...

Tashi

Thank you Tashi for your interpretation. It is very positive and inspiring to read. I am in a transitional point in my life at the moment and have not been focusing much on what will be and letting go of all that once was so I am not really able to confirm much of what you have written.

When it comes to work, jobs have always fallen into my lap and I have never worried much about how I will earn money. I am quite resourceful and I can learn almost anything I put my mind to. I have always worked in service occupations. I believe I will work with something meaningful and some sort of counselling as this comes so naturally but for now I am focusing on my children, home and family while supporting and aiding  my husband in his own spiritual work that I am sure I will have a more active part in as time goes on.

I have no interest in new age spirituality at all. The practices do not resonate with me. I have been redefining what is actually meant with the spiritual terms so that anyone can understand them, spiritual or not. I can imagine writing about these understandings in the future.

As for being showered with blessings"¦ I feel that I already am.  :)

Thank you!
Jen

Hi Linda and everyone,

Linda, thank you for the information on Pluto squaring its own nodes. That was really interesting!

Quote from: Linda on Dec 16, 2014, 06:42 PM

• Was the Soul trying to ESCAPE something from past lives?


• Did the Soul dissociate itself - hiding signature - because it had been too dangerous to publically expose spirituality and truth?


• Had the Soul been victimized, persecuted and judged for its beliefs?


• What cycles of crisis has Jen had to deal with?


• What were family and parents like in past lives and in the current life?


• What about past life and current life partners? (7th)


• Does money figure in this story? (7th)


• How do the whispers from eternity (Source) direct Jen to spiritualize her life through other people?


• What spiritual or right work can be performed to ground the undefined energies of Neptune?


• How can Jen integrate the Neptune energies into society?

Where these questions for me?

Quote from: Linda on Dec 16, 2014, 06:42 PM

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

Jen:  It definitely feels like this could be true. I would have never found myself doing this in the past and I have had to confront and process a number of fears already so it most certainly feels like evolutionary progress.

Are you able to share these fears?  Perhaps they may give us a clue into what happened in distant past lives that resulted in the Soul creating skipped steps.


Thanks,

Linda

The fears have been quite irrational. Mostly about being exposed and being judged. They seem to be very deeply rooted and more like a feeling of anxiety and fear than something concrete and conscious.

Jen

Quote from: cat777 on Dec 16, 2014, 10:43 PM

I watched this film in Spanish last night while I was working. It came across as very sadistic. Every time I looked up at the screen it seemed that someone was getting beat or whipped, stripped naked, etc. At one point one of the girls tried to hang herself. Thinking about it and realizing that it is probably very realistic and thinking about how it resonates with you as a possible past life experience  is interesting to say the least. Do you identify with the girl who tried to hang herself?

Hi Cat,
My own memories of the nuns at the catholic school I attended were of scary, evil, sadistic women. I don´t have any good memories from there at all.

It was so long ago that I don´t remember all the details of the film"¦ I will have to watch it again. What I do remember is about the girls who escaped but not about a girl trying to hang herself. I believe I would have remembered that if it had of been a significant part for myself.

On the other hand, as I've mentioned before I have wished to end my life on numerous occasions, mostly connected to the meaninglessness of life and the emotional pain. I did attempt suicide once by overdose wen I was 14, at my bible studies practice of all places. It wasn´t related to religion though, I just didn´t want to be at home in case anyone found out. It was related to feeling totally unloved (or even hated) and alone in the world. I have a diary with the date if it is of interest to look deeper into the event.

Jen

Quote from: Jen on Dec 17, 2014, 02:10 PM

Quote from: Linda on Dec 16, 2014, 06:42 PM

• Was the Soul trying to ESCAPE something from past lives?
• Did the Soul dissociate itself - hiding signature - because it had been too dangerous to publically expose spirituality and truth?
• Had the Soul been victimized, persecuted and judged for its beliefs?
• What cycles of crisis has Jen had to deal with?
• What were family and parents like in past lives and in the current life?
• What about past life and current life partners? (7th)
• Does money figure in this story? (7th)
• How do the whispers from eternity (Source) direct Jen to spiritualize her life through other people?
• What spiritual or right work can be performed to ground the undefined energies of Neptune?
• How can Jen integrate the Neptune energies into society?

Where these questions for me?

Hi Jen,

NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS

The above questions are what I would consider asking in terms of your Neptune skipped steps. At this stage if there's anything that stands out and you would like to share, please go ahead.

Quote from: Linda on Dec 16, 2014, 06:42 PM
Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

Jen:  It definitely feels like this could be true. I would have never found myself doing this in the past and I have had to confront and process a number of fears already so it most certainly feels like evolutionary progress.

Are you able to share these fears?  Perhaps they may give us a clue into what happened in distant past lives that resulted in the Soul creating skipped steps.

Jen: The fears have been quite irrational. Mostly about being exposed and being judged. They seem to be very deeply rooted and more like a feeling of anxiety and fear than something concrete and conscious.

The orb of your Neptune skipped steps is 9 degrees. This means your skipped steps are very close to being resolved. You've been working on this area for lifetimes. In this life, loose ends are being tied up. Here's a quote from the EA Glossary:

Archetype of judgment (Capricorn) manifesting through Neptune

What JWG taught is that judgment as an archetype in human consciousness is natural, and that the archetype of judgment in and of itself is Capricorn, the 10th house, and Saturn. He taught that the issue is not the right or wrongness of judgment as such, BUT THE CONTENT USED TO MAKE JUDGMENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Is that content rooted in Natural Laws, or is that content merely a collection of all kinds of man-made laws that have nothing to do with Natural Laws. When the archetype of judgment that emanates from the 10th house, Capricorn, or Saturn manifests through the 12th house, Neptune, or Pisces that then can correlate with the judgments made about spiritual disciplines, practices, the "˜rights and wrongs' of spiritual life, of various gods and goddesses, and, of course, one's own relationship to all things spiritual. He taught a lot about all the artificial man-made rules and laws concerning spiritual life, all the "˜should be's' so to speak. And how any Soul who enters spiritual life where the nature of that spiritual life has been created and defined by man-made laws that the judgments made either through one's own inner judgment of itself, or judgments made and projected upon others and oneself, that this commonly leads to not being good enough as measured against these man-made spiritual doctrines. This is why he talked and taught so much about the difference between these man-created, patriarchal, spiritual disciplines and their "˜teachings' versus what natural spirituality is, what the Natural Laws are, and thus to change the very nature of the CONTENT used to make the judgments in the first place. (Rad)

Can you relate to Rad's description above? If so, perhaps those areas could be outlined at your convenience.

EVOLUTIONARY/KARMIC AXIS

Before we move too quickly we are still establishing your Pluto signature - the evolutionary/karmic axis - since it is through this foundation that any symbol in the chart can be properly understood. We began with Pluto in the 8th house which is the top level of your EA signature. If there's anything you'd like to add to your Pluto in the 8th house signature, please do. Soon I will post some information on Pluto in Libra, which will be the next level of your EA signature.

I'm working on a table of correlations of your quotes to the chart. As we build on this, we will eventually arrive at a very accurate picture of your Soul's evolutionary intentions.

Much appreciation for being a great volunteer!

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Jen
Your response is really lovely to hear.  I am thrilled for you... and look forward to reading all that you write..
Warmly
Tashi

Quote
I have no interest in new age spirituality at all. The practices do not resonate with me. I have been redefining what is actually meant with the spiritual terms so that anyone can understand them, spiritual or not. I can imagine writing about these understandings in the future.

As for being showered with blessings"¦ I feel that I already am.  :)

Thank you!
Jen

Quote from: Rad on Dec 17, 2014, 04:21 AM
All,

JWG never taught anywhere that a 17orb should be used in anything including skipped steps between planets/ nodes. If this were true he would have taught such a thing everywhere he taught, and in all that he wrote. He didn't. If so, there certainly would be more documentation than Tashi's personal recollection which itself can not be documented other than what she thinks she remembers. In any case, this just did not ever happen.

God Bless, Rad

Thanks Rad for clarifying that.

NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS

Quote from: Linda on Dec 17, 2014, 03:00 PM

Hi Jen,

NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS

The above questions are what I would consider asking in terms of your Neptune skipped steps. At this stage if there's anything that stands out and you would like to share, please go ahead.

Quote from: Linda on Dec 16, 2014, 06:42 PM
Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

Jen:  It definitely feels like this could be true. I would have never found myself doing this in the past and I have had to confront and process a number of fears already so it most certainly feels like evolutionary progress.

Are you able to share these fears?  Perhaps they may give us a clue into what happened in distant past lives that resulted in the Soul creating skipped steps.

Jen: The fears have been quite irrational. Mostly about being exposed and being judged. They seem to be very deeply rooted and more like a feeling of anxiety and fear than something concrete and conscious.

The orb of your Neptune skipped steps is 9 degrees. This means your skipped steps are very close to being resolved. You've been working on this area for lifetimes. In this life, loose ends are being tied up. Here's a quote from the EA Glossary:

Archetype of judgment (Capricorn) manifesting through Neptune

What JWG taught is that judgment as an archetype in human consciousness is natural, and that the archetype of judgment in and of itself is Capricorn, the 10th house, and Saturn. He taught that the issue is not the right or wrongness of judgment as such, BUT THE CONTENT USED TO MAKE JUDGMENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Is that content rooted in Natural Laws, or is that content merely a collection of all kinds of man-made laws that have nothing to do with Natural Laws. When the archetype of judgment that emanates from the 10th house, Capricorn, or Saturn manifests through the 12th house, Neptune, or Pisces that then can correlate with the judgments made about spiritual disciplines, practices, the "˜rights and wrongs' of spiritual life, of various gods and goddesses, and, of course, one's own relationship to all things spiritual. He taught a lot about all the artificial man-made rules and laws concerning spiritual life, all the "˜should be's' so to speak. And how any Soul who enters spiritual life where the nature of that spiritual life has been created and defined by man-made laws that the judgments made either through one's own inner judgment of itself, or judgments made and projected upon others and oneself, that this commonly leads to not being good enough as measured against these man-made spiritual doctrines. This is why he talked and taught so much about the difference between these man-created, patriarchal, spiritual disciplines and their "˜teachings' versus what natural spirituality is, what the Natural Laws are, and thus to change the very nature of the CONTENT used to make the judgments in the first place. (Rad)

Can you relate to Rad's description above? If so, perhaps those areas could be outlined at your convenience.

EVOLUTIONARY/KARMIC AXIS

Before we move too quickly we are still establishing your Pluto signature - the evolutionary/karmic axis - since it is through this foundation that any symbol in the chart can be properly understood. We began with Pluto in the 8th house which is the top level of your EA signature. If there's anything you'd like to add to your Pluto in the 8th house signature, please do. Soon I will post some information on Pluto in Libra, which will be the next level of your EA signature.

I'm working on a table of correlations of your quotes to the chart. As we build on this, we will eventually arrive at a very accurate picture of your Soul's evolutionary intentions.

Much appreciation for being a great volunteer!

Thanks,

Linda

Hello Linda and everyone,

Yes, I can relate to Rad´s description of the Archetype of judgment (Capricorn) manifesting through Neptune. In my life nothing natural has been supported. It has been totally riddled with patriarchal conditioning from an early age. I feel that I have been judged and rejected for being natural in many different ways throughout life. I have both lived naturally and conformed in different stages of my life. Some examples..

-   Religion was supported but not any form of natural spirituality as this was seen as sect-like or weird.

-   I was encouraged or rather pushed to wear makeup and make an effort to look/talk/walk the way a woman is supposed to from an early age (14-15 possibly earlier).

-   When I awakened to the distortions of man-made law and expressed it, nobody in the world believed or understood me. I was told that I was delusional and that I needed psychiatric help and medication.

-   When I decided not to christen my first child this caused trauma to my family who believed the baby could end up in purgatory.

-   I am questioned for eating organic food, pressured to use chemical dyes on my hair, take medication instead of natural alternatives, not to mention the choice not to vaccinate.

-       I am told that my 1 1/2 year old needs to go to preschool and I was constantly nagged to stop nursing her. (With my first child I listened and did as I was pressured by society and family and deeply regretted not listening to my own intuition.)

-   Since I found and embraced spirituality my family has suggested I see a psychologist for displaying emotion. I was told that it is as if I have joined a sect. This was really difficult as I have never felt so complete. The whole family were against me and I totally broke down. This is the last time I spoke of my life as it is. I live it separately and although I am close to my family it is only on the basis that I adapt to them.

There is much more..


Much appreciation for allowing me to be a part of this journey!

<3
Jen

Dear Jen,

Thank you for replying to my question of Vesta and its focus through Uranus...
I am sorry I was not more succinct.

I have retrieved this for some indication of the energies that can manifest through this configuration. This from Bob Marks may help:

QuoteUranus opposed Vesta
Your need for freedom and unhampered exploration seems to run contrary to the spiritual ideals you hold dear, and a dichotomy exists within your psyche over traditional, cherished beliefs and the free expression of individuality. Sexuality may be a core issue, with ideas of sacrifice and celibacy facing off with the need for radical freedom. You could easily become a fanatic, either strongly opposing any commitment to spiritual traditions or conversely being over-zealous in your attempts to convert others to your way of thinking. Intellect and devotion may be polarized in your psychological makeup as are freedom and commitment. It is very advisable to find a working compromise, otherwise this dynamic is likely to be projected into an oppositional relationship, creating much tension.
found at http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Uranus_Aspects.html

I see the above as a rather "lower order "manifestation in adulthood, but the general base theme is expressed well. I believe that some of this may have surfaced in adolescence? This would give you the necessary polarity to say, "this is where I am not going again..." As an adult, you may have moved away from expressing this through any type of physical promiscuity, but I believe I am seeing this polarity or oppositional force described in the struggle with your familial relationships. Vesta dedication, Uranus Separation. I am guessing, through this train of thought, that this is something that must be worked through spiritually, based on Neptune's skipped steps.

Additionally, I am wondering if you have siblings and how they have impacted your path... please forgive if you have already made mention, I missed it. Being led by both Chiron & Vesta in the 3rd, as may be obvious, additionally a 4th house Gemini can indicate siblings in the home.

With Uranus ruling your Ascendant, I see the Vesta/Uranus focused yod playing out physically & in your environment... I hope all of this helps you to determine what has occurred in your life along these themes.

I will tell you I really see this energy, which could be very difficult as a child, transforming into a sincere dedication (Vesta) to sending out a message (3rd) of a new & inspired form of spirituality (Uranus 9th) exactly as you were saying. I believe you must write & speak & share your ideas.

Thank you,
Dawn Cerise

Hello Dawn Cerice,

Uranus opposed Vesta

Quote from: dawncerise on Dec 18, 2014, 09:23 AM

QuoteUranus opposed Vesta
Your need for freedom and unhampered exploration seems to run contrary to the spiritual ideals you hold dear, and a dichotomy exists within your psyche over traditional, cherished beliefs and the free expression of individuality. Sexuality may be a core issue, with ideas of sacrifice and celibacy facing off with the need for radical freedom. You could easily become a fanatic, either strongly opposing any commitment to spiritual traditions or conversely being over-zealous in your attempts to convert others to your way of thinking. Intellect and devotion may be polarized in your psychological makeup as are freedom and commitment. It is very advisable to find a working compromise, otherwise this dynamic is likely to be projected into an oppositional relationship, creating much tension.
found at http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Uranus_Aspects.html

I see the above as a rather "lower order "manifestation in adulthood, but the general base theme is expressed well. I believe that some of this may have surfaced in adolescence? This would give you the necessary polarity to say, "this is where I am not going again..." As an adult, you may have moved away from expressing this through any type of physical promiscuity, but I believe I am seeing this polarity or oppositional force described in the struggle with your familial relationships. Vesta dedication, Uranus Separation. I am guessing, through this train of thought, that this is something that must be worked through spiritually, based on Neptune's skipped steps.

I have tried to see how these archetypes have manifested for myself and cannot see it. I have never committed to any spiritual or religious practices but I have never opposed them either. I was in my first committed relationship from age 15 and was very good and played house for the years that it lasted. I was then only single for a short period of time before meeting my first husband. I have dressed provocatively but that is as far as promiscuity is involved and I'm not sure if that is more to do with the Moon Uranus in Scorpio? How else can this manifest?

Quote from: dawncerise on Dec 18, 2014, 09:23 AM

Additionally, I am wondering if you have siblings and how they have impacted your path... please forgive if you have already made mention, I missed it. Being led by both Chiron & Vesta in the 3rd, as may be obvious, additionally a 4th house Gemini can indicate siblings in the home.

I do have 3 younger sisters. The eldest of them close to my age and the other two many years younger so I have had more of a mother/sister relationship to them. I am not sure how they have impacted my path. The relationship I have to my closest sister is one where I guide her (secretly) while she believes that she is the one with all the knowledge of how life is and should be. We are opposites in many ways. She believes in University studies, corporate media and brand names. But on a core level we share the same values.

Thank you!
Jen

FINAL DISPOSITOR


Hi Linda, and Moderators,
When the Sun is in Virgo and Mercury is in Leo i.e. in mutual reception...
It is not a single point, of a final dispositor, but a circuit in reception. I have some ideas as to WHY it is that a Soul would create this kind of a condition for itself...but better to ask than to confuse others with my guesswork.*

Thank you!

God bless,

Katherine

*snowshoes

FINAL DISPOSITOR

Hi Linda,
Thanks for your response.  

My understanding of a final dispositor is that it is a planet ruled by it's own sign.  (If this condition isn't met then there is no actual final dispositor, but sometimes there can be cases of reception.)  

The utmost point upstream, it can sway, or call downwind, everything below it-to what extent I don't know because I am not well versed in traditional western astrology.  So, the "˜bottom-line' is less of the deep Pluto vasana, that I think of in EA as a true bottom-line, but more of a thread, an undercurrent.

I did find that JWG section in the glossary, but thanks for posting it here for reference.

God bless,

Katherine

Hi Katherine,

FINAL DISPOSITOR

[Correction:  There is no final dispositor in Jen's chart because there is no planet ruled by its own sign.  For this reason, I deleted my last post.  Thanks for drawing attention to this, Katherine.]

The final dispositor is a planet in its own sign (eg Moon in Cancer, Mars in Aries, Jupiter in Sagittarius) that all the rest of the planets in the chart can be traced back to.  The final dispositor is important because it has complete autonomy, and its power is magnified.

If there are 2 or more planets in their own signs, then there is no final dispositor in the chart.  

In the case of 3 planets dispositing each other - example, Mercury in Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter in Capricorn ruled by Saturn in Virgo - this could be called a rulership loop.

All rulership trees in Jen's chart end in the mutual reception between Mercury in Leo and Sun in Virgo.  When a condition such as this exists, there can be no final dispositor.

We will be asking the EA question:  

What is the evolutionary necessity of having Mercury Leo 7th and Sun Virgo 7th in mutual reception?

Thanks for spotting the Mutual Reception, Katherine!

Linda

Hi All,

There are also dispositors by House, in the case of this chart it seems one of the key planets to look at is Venus which is in it´s own house, which rules Pluto which is also in its own house. Venus is also conjunct the North Node of the Moon.

On Astro.com you can see the dispositor graphs under: Extended horoscopes/ Methods/Pullen Astrolog

Below I will attach the one for Jen´s chart.

Great thread Linda, Cat and everyone else!

All the best

Hi Everyone,

FINAL DISPOSITOR

Quote from: Skywalker on Dec 19, 2014, 02:43 AM
There are also dispositors by House, in the case of this chart it seems one of the key planets to look at is Venus which is in it´s own house, which rules Pluto which is also in its own house. Venus is also conjunct the North Node of the Moon.

This actually makes a lot of sense. Pluto and Venus are both in their respective houses. However do they need to be the same sign not the house to be classified as the dispositor? As EA works with the 3 archetypes being the same it would seem to appear that way to me.
This is more of a clarification purpose on my end.

FINAL DISPOSITOR

Hi Simon,

I´m not sure I understand what you are asking. There is the final dispositor of the sign and also of the house. In order to be the dispositor of the house, the planet needs to be in its own natural house, like Pluto in the 8th, and the same goes for the sign, where the planet needs to be in the sign it rules, like Venus in Libra.

The graph I posted shows how one planet leads to another by its natural house rulership. Like how Jen´s Moon in Scorpio in the Ninth house, is disposited by Jupiter because Jupiter is the natural ruler of the Ninth house. This is by house, by sign her Moon in Scorpio is disposited by Pluto in Libra, which is disposited by Venus in Virgo, which then points to Mercury in Leo and finally to the Sun in Virgo which is in a mutual reception with Mercury and, there is no one final dispositor. Both the Sun and Mercury act as final dispositors by sign in this chart, through the mutual reception, in my understanding.

Hope that cleared it up.

All the best

Quote from: Skywalker on Dec 19, 2014, 11:37 AM

I´m not sure I understand what you are asking. There is the final dispositor of the sign and also of the house. In order to be the dispositor of the house, the planet needs to be in its own natural house, like Pluto in the 8th, and the same goes for the sign, where the planet needs to be in the sign it rules, like Venus in Libra.

The graph I posted shows how one planet leads to another by its natural house rulership. Like how Jen´s Moon in Scorpio in the Ninth house, is disposited by Jupiter because Jupiter is the natural ruler of the Ninth house. This is by house, by sign her Moon in Scorpio is disposited by Pluto in Libra, which is disposited by Venus in Virgo, which then points to Mercury in Leo and finally to the Sun in Virgo which is in a mutual reception with Mercury and, there is no one final dispositor. Both the Sun and Mercury act as final dispositors by sign in this chart, through the mutual reception, in my understanding.

Hi Skywalker and Simon,

DISPOSITORSHIP

Your statement above in blue was how I also understood final dispositor, but it is incorrect.

If there is a mutual reception, then there can be no final dispositor.

The final dispositor of the entire chart is a planet in its own sign (eg Moon in Cancer, Mars in Aries, Jupiter in Sagittarius) that all the rest of the planets in the chart can be traced back to.  

Since Mercury in Leo and Sun in Virgo are not in their own signs, then there is no final dispositor in Jen's chart.  However, they are in mutual reception at the end of each dispositor circuit or rulership tree.

I think the confusion lies in the terms "FINAL dispositor" -v- "dispositor."  Dispositor is what we term the RULER (of a planet, sign or house).  Final dispositor specifically relates to a planet in its own sign that the rest of the planets in the chart can be traced back to.

So, I've changed the heading of this post to Dispositorship (rather than final dispositor).

According to the Astrodienst diagram, we will be asking the EA question, What is the evolutionary necessity of:

Sign Dispositor Hierarchy:  SUN / MERCURY

House Dispositor Hierarchy:  VENUS 7th / PLUTO 8th


Thanks,

Linda

Dispositorship

Hi Linda,

I know what you mean, there is no one final dispositor but in my understanding, which can of course be incorrect, they do have a special significance and relationship since they are at the end of the "circuit" as you said, thus ACT as final dispositors or in a similar way, but together via the mutual reception.

All the best

Quote from: Skywalker on Dec 19, 2014, 12:29 PM
Dispositorship

Hi Linda,

I know what you mean, there is no one final dispositor but in my understanding, which can of course be incorrect, they do have a special significance and relationship since they are at the end of the "circuit" as you said, thus ACT as final dispositors or in a similar way, but together via the mutual reception.

All the best

DISPOSITORSHIP


I completely agree, Skywalker, they certainly DO have a special significance and act in a similar way to a Final Dispositor, that's why I included the EA question:

What is the evolutionary necessity of

Sign Dispositorship - SUN / MERCURY - occurring at the end of the circuit   ???

House Dispositorship - VENUS 7th / PLUTO 8th - occurring at the end of the circuit   ???

However, the term "Final Dispositor" in conventional astrology, means something very specific - and does not relate to the above hierarchical trees.

It's just a matter of getting the terms right.


Thanks,

Linda

Hello Jen and everyone,


URANUS/PLUTO SQUARES 2012-2015


                                                                          Aspecting Jen's chart using a 1 deg orb      

26 June 2012                 8 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO TRINE NORTH NODE

19 September 2012        6 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO TRINE VENUS;  PLUTO TRINE SEDNA

21 May 2013                 11 deg Capricorn/Aries   

1 November 2013          11 deg Capricorn/Aries

21 April 2014                13 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS;  PLUTO TRINE CHIRON

15 December 2014        12 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS

[17 March 2015              15 deg Capricorn/Aries       PLUTO OPP MARS;  PLUTO TRINE SATURN]


The transpersonal force of the Uranus/Pluto squares is the most significant planetary influence of our times.

Can you remember what real life experiences happened for you around the time of the above dates?


Thanks,

Linda

EVOLUTIONARY/KARMIC AXIS


Pluto in Libra


Libra is cardinal, indicating a new evolutionary cycle is underway. To experience the intent of this cycle Pluto Libra people have been involved in a variety of relationships. Through this comes exposure to different value and belief systems of all kinds. Through this process these people come to understand who they are through comparing self with the others they are in relationship with. A fundamental issue is how to be in relationships. They will have felt in the past, and will continue to feel, a fundamental need to be in relationships. This is due to the desire to complete self through the relations with others, and to unite self with others. They need to be in relationships to feel fulfilled and complete. Most have not yet learned how to be in relationship on an equal basis. They may become involved in too many relationships and take in too many differing points of view. They can lose their sense of who they are in this process.

They can become dependent on the advice and opinions of others to help them determine who they are or what they should be doing with their lives. When in this state, they can't relate to themselves without relating to others. They do not like being alone. They will become attracted to powerful people who appear to be stable and have the ability to guide the Pluto Libra person. They become dependent on the partner. They can become dominated to the extent that they feel the other person's needs and desires are actually their own. They have become an extension of the other person's ego. In other cases, due to the polarities of extremity, they can become the dominating partner. They can attract those who will become dependent on them, giving a false sense of power and control over others.

They generally have karma with a variety of people. This creates situations where one or the other leaves the relationship, without the other person desiring this outcome, or they become mutually dependent on each other. The imbalances in relationships create confrontations to force the person to examine the relationship; to learn how to give to others and have one's own needs met through that. Because the impulse is new, most of them have not yet mastered the ability to live this way. This leads to conditional love, "˜I will love you when you <whatever>.' This comes from projecting expectations onto partners, or having partners project expectations on the Pluto Libra person.

They are learning how to give and receive love. As this has not been mastered, situations may arise where they cannot accept what comes their way, or the partner may not recognize the love they are trying to offer. This is necessary so they can learn to relate in a way of equality and balance. It also teaches them what their relationship needs are, who they are because of relationships, and to develop social values of how people should relate to each other. They enforce the lesson of minimizing dependency. They will finally realize they need to be needed, and will see how this need controls the dynamics of their relationships. They will learn when and what to give and when and what not to give.

(paraphrased from JWG's Pluto Vol. 1 and the School's DVD course)

URANUS/PLUTO SQUARES 2012-2015

Hi Linda and everyone,

I have been looking into my past trying to figure out what events took place on the below dates and realized how much has happened in just a couple of years. I am not even close to being the same as I was in June 2012 or I suppose I am so much more of who I am.  :)

Quote from: Linda on Dec 19, 2014, 01:20 PM
Hello Jen and everyone,


URANUS/PLUTO SQUARES 2012-2015


                                                                            Aspecting Jen's chart using a 1 deg orb     

26 June 2012                 8 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO TRINE NORTH NODE

19 September 2012        6 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO TRINE VENUS;  PLUTO TRINE SEDNA

21 May 2013                 11 deg Capricorn/Aries   

1 November 2013          11 deg Capricorn/Aries

21 April 2014                13 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS;  PLUTO TRINE CHIRON

15 December 2014        12 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS

[17 March 2015              15 deg Capricorn/Aries       PLUTO OPP MARS;  PLUTO TRINE SATURN]


The transpersonal force of the Uranus/Pluto squares is the most significant planetary influence of our times.

Can you remember what real life experiences happened for you around the time of the above dates?


Thanks,

Linda

Here is what I could come up with.


26 June 2012 - I traveled to meet my husbands family for the first time. Within two weeks I was engaged and pregnant. This was very much about trust and commitment for me.

19 September 2012  -       

21 May 2013  - I believe this is when I first read "Pluto"  It was the beginning of a whole new understanding of myself.

1 November 2013  - I came into contact with a spiritual group in the town I live in. I began trying out different practices to spiritualize. I had already gained much knowledge and understanding but this is when I began putting it to the test. I did everything from yoga to energy healing and different meditations. It was very short lived.

21 April 2014 - . I became pregnant with the baby I am soon to give birth to. I decided to let go of any attempt to control my path and allow it to unfold. To step into the abyss completely.

15 December 2014 - I believe that this thread is the big thing happening at this time. Stepping into the role of reflecting about myself in a different way and sharing intimate details.

Thank you!

Jen

URANUS/PLUTO SQUARES 2012-2015

Quote from: Linda on Dec 19, 2014, 01:20 PM

                                                                           Aspecting Jen's chart using a 1 deg orb
26 June 2012                 8 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO TRINE NORTH NODE
19 September 2012        6 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO TRINE VENUS;  PLUTO TRINE SEDNA
21 May 2013                 11 deg Capricorn/Aries   
1 November 2013          11 deg Capricorn/Aries
21 April 2014                13 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS;  PLUTO TRINE CHIRON
15 December 2014        12 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS
[17 March 2015             15 deg Capricorn/Aries        PLUTO OPP MARS;  PLUTO TRINE SATURN]

Can you remember what real life experiences happened for you around the time of the above dates?

Here is what I could come up with.

26 June 2012 - I traveled to meet my husbands family for the first time. Within two weeks I was engaged and pregnant. This was very much about trust and commitment for me.  establishing new family group, partner, engagement, childbearing.

19 September 2012 -

21 May 2013  - I believe this is when I first read "Pluto."  It was the beginning of a whole new understanding of myself.  EA, new paradigm, new understanding of self based on Natural Law

1 November 2013  - I came into contact with a spiritual group in the town I live in. I began trying out different practices to spiritualize. I had already gained much knowledge and understanding but this is when I began putting it to the test. I did everything from yoga to energy healing and different meditations. It was very short lived.  trialing new groups

21 April 2014 - I became pregnant with the baby I am soon to give birth to. I decided to let go of any attempt to control my path and allow it to unfold. To step into the abyss completely.  pregnancy, procreation, letting go

15 December 2014 - I believe that this thread is the big thing happening at this time. Stepping into the role of reflecting about myself in a different way and sharing intimate details.  new astrology group, in-depth self-analysis


Jen,

Summing up for you, Uranus is transiting your 2nd house, and Pluto is transiting your 11th house.

A couple of repeating themes manifested throughout the Uranus/Pluto squares: 

establishment of new family group and new EA paradigm based on Natural Law.

Wow!  ;D

Linda

Hi Jen,


URANUS/PLUTO SQUARES 2012-2015


Transiting Uranus in Aries through the 2nd house;  Transiting Pluto in Capricorn through the 11th house.

Natal Uranus in Scorpio in the 9th house;  Natal Pluto in Virgo in the 8th house.

To understand the transiting Uranus/Pluto squares is to understand the issues of these planets in the natal chart.

-  What are these planets' relationships to the rest of the chart from an evolutionary point of view?
-  Why is Pluto in the 8th house?  Why is Pluto in Virgo?  Why Pluto's aspects?
-  Why is Uranus in the 9th house?  Why is Uranus in Scorpio?  Why Uranus' aspects?
-  Consider the Planetary Nodes of Pluto and Uranus.

Once the above are understood from a natal point of view, then the transits of the Uranus/Pluto squares can be understood in terms of the natal issues.

The natal aspect between Uranus and Pluto is a semisextile (new phase).


Quote from Jeffrey Wolf Green:

New phase semi-sextile

What we want to keep in mind here is that the new phase evolves through time. This is now how we start measuring aspects. If you have two planets in a semi-sextile relationship, 30 degrees, yet still in the new phase, this symbolism clearly suggests that the individual, prior to this life, has already had a couple of experiences - maybe a couple of lives, who knows - involving this new phase process. In other words it is not utterly new. Because it suggests that there has been something before, the semi-sextile tends to have the effect of checking the pure instinctual process of the new phase. Prior to the semi-sextile, there is the instinct for unchecked action, random-like, but through a process of action/reaction prior to this life, the individual has already begun to become somewhat aware instinctually, of course, but aware of what this new purpose is, evolutionarily speaking, and thus the knowledge implied allows the semi-sextile to have a checking action or narrowing of experience. There is still the need to initiate action. There is still the action/reaction process. There is still much which is unformulated and yet the person has more of a sense of undefined direction, ie to narrow the randomness. The person may have unconscious memories of coming through the conjunction because in any life 80% of your thoughts, beliefs, values, interpretation and perception patterns, self-relatedness patterns are determined by subconscious memories. This is itself, based on that which has come before. The memory is in the Soul and is the sum-total of all that which has come before.

If I have had two planets in a new phase condition prior to this life and I now find them in a semi-sextile relationship, this constitutes subconscious memories. This, of itself, narrows the experience field, not happily so however, because new phase wants to be instinctive. So the tension of the semi-sextile is a tension based on feeling checked or constrained. It is the tension, for example, between Aries/Taurus. That is a natural semi-sextile and I think most of us would agree that Aries of itself wants absolute freedom and the instinct in Taurus is to consolidate. This new phase condition creates an irritant. It is like the competing archetypes of water/fire. Water tends to have the effect of dampening the spirit of fire. So the semi-sextile is going to narrow, to focus, to stabilize, and to begin the process of forethought prior to action. (JWG)


More to come.

Thanks,

Linda

Hi Rad
Not sure how I got that notion.  It's so odd... maybe he said something specific about someone in that 2 week time period...because of "chords" that tie aspects together.   But happy to hear that you have a grounded uniform clarity about what he said everywhere, as I imagine you do.  Blessings.
Warmly
Tashi

URANUS/PLUTO SQUARES 2012-2015

Quote from: Linda on Dec 20, 2014, 04:54 PM

Jen,

Summing up for you, Uranus is transiting your 2nd house, and Pluto is transiting your 11th house.

A couple of repeating themes manifested throughout the Uranus/Pluto squares: 

establishment of new family group and new EA paradigm based on Natural Law.

Wow!  ;D

Linda

Thank you Linda! Yes, I can see it all now  ;D

Jen

Hi Jen and Everyone,

FULL MOON CANCER ~ 5th January 2015

As we explore your transits in the coming months, this will allow you to share deep personal psychological/spiritual shifts, changes, insights, nuances, 'whispers', and truths that reflect the Soul's evolutionary intentions, spiritualization and expansion of consciousness.  I'm speaking mainly about your Neptune skipped steps ~ Neptune conjunct the Midheaven in Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter Leo 7th.  This is the area where I believe you are recovering your skipped steps by broadcasting your experiences correlating to the transits.  Today you shared with me via email that the last Full Moon in Gemini was really intense for you, and that you had experienced really strong contractions. 


If you missed it, everyone, Jen's very pregnant!  By the end of this week Jen will be considered full term!  Right now Tr Mercury, Venus and Pluto are opposing Jen's Mars, and the Tr Nodes are t-squaring her Mars.  We are not predicting when the baby will be born. 


Check out the transits on 5th January 2015 at 4:53:15 am GMT ~ Full Moon 14º 30' Cancer ~ aspecting Jen's planets: 

-  Full Moon conjunct natal Mars
-  Tr Sun opposite natal Mars
-  Tr Pluto opposite natal Mars
-  Tr Uranus square natal Mars
-  Tr Nodes square natal Mars
-  Tr North Node conjunct natal Pluto


Mars correlates to how desires emanating from the Soul become conscious in each life, and how we instinctively act upon those desires.  Take into account also the natural 1st house; the sign on the Ascendant; the Aries house cusp; and the Planetary Nodes of Mars.  All of these desires come from the Soul as a direct result of the core evolutionary intentions symbolized by the karmic/evolutionary axis.

Jen's Mars archetype

Natal Mars 13º 49' Cancer 5th
South Node of Mars 21º 35' Libra 8th
North Node of Mars 28º 37' Gemini 4th
Aries intercepted in the 2nd (containing Ceres)
Ascendant 21º 10' Aquarius, ruled by Uranus Scorpio 9th
Natal Mars septile Neptune
... and other aspects.

Jen, if you are able to, it would be great if you could share your experiences up to the time of the birth.

Wishing you all the best,

Linda

Realignment with natural law and the natural feminine

Hello everyone,

I would like to share some thoughts that I have been pondering these past days regarding the realignment with natural law and the natural feminine. I recall reading something, I believe from one of Jeffrey Wolf Greens lectures, about birth and how it can be painless if the ego will is in alignment with divine will. I don´t remember the specifics and would love to read it again if anyone recognizes it.

I have always felt that childbirth is a perfect experience to connect to the natural feminine intuition and I have always wondered why it is portrayed as such a horrific experience by many. So many women are so scared to give birth naturally and it has become very common to give birth via planned C-section. I believe this fear comes from false information, limited understanding and lack of control. That we are so disconnected from our intuitive knowing and in an experience such as childbirth we cannot predict or control the experience or the outcome. It is a process we have to surrender to (at least in its natural form).

With my second child I had to fight for my right to a natural birth as she was in breach position (feet down). Luckily I live near a hospital where this is allowed, in most places the mother would have no choice but to have a C-section. It was so rare for the midwives and doctors to experience a natural breech birth that there were 15 nurses and doctors crammed into the small birthing room to observe and learn from the experience. Everything went well of course and it was an amazing experience.

As I am approaching the birth of my third child I would love to use this opportunity to truly tune in to the full natural experience of birthing a soul into the world; of completely experiencing this powerful force of creation. (I was hoping for a home birth but this is very difficult and expensive to arrange so it will have to be a hospital birth. I am still going to stay in charge of my own experience and not "handing myself and baby over" to the care of the hospital staff.) I have been pondering how to do this, how to be in full alignment with this process. What fears I may need to overcome and how to do this. I decided that it would help to understand the natural physical process, so have read a little about what happens in the body during different stages of labor. This information has given me enough understanding of the natural process to be able to decline medical interference if suggested. The next part is about trust and surrender which I believe is what it means to align ego will with divine will. To flow with and help the process without fear or resistance.

These thoughts of what it means to connect spirit into matter, heaven and earth, Aligning body mind and soul have been very much at the forefront of my mind and I am experiencing waves of complete understanding coming through. I believe this is going to be a beautiful experience.

Love
Jen

In addition to my previous post I have found myself drawn to the different archetypes of the Hindu gods/goddesses. I am particularly attracted to the goddess Kali and just love everything that she represents.

As I understand it, she symbolizes the natural evolution of the water triad towards realignment with source. The Goddess of birth, death and transformation but also of truth and timelessness. I can see the archetypes in my own natal chart and understand why I resonate so deeply with her symbolism.

Here is an article a link to some articles if anyone is interested.  https://www.kalimandir.org/blogs/ http://www.exoticindiaart.com/articlesearch.php3?searchval=kali

:) Jen

Hi Jen,


Realignment with natural law and the natural feminine




Correlations to childbirth and the primordial mother archetype:


Moon - Cancer - 4th house: nurturing, family, devotion, protection, the womb, fertility, mother, breast milk, ego, self-image, security, inner emotions, protection, childhood environment, subjective, home, clan, gender roles, roots, ancestors, needs.  Mother is a leader (cardinal).  Jen's Moon Scorpio 9th - Cancer on the 5th house cusp - Gemini on the 4th house cusp - Juno in Gemini 4th.


Ceres:  Roman Goddess of the Harvest, ruled by Virgo, Mother Nature, procreation, nurturing, productivity, Soul growth.  Ceres Aries 2nd


Diana (78):   connection to childbirth, midwifery, protector of the newborn and the vulnerable in both human and animal kingdoms.  Diana 6 deg Aquarius 12th


Artemis (105):  Goddess of midwifery and childbirth, protector of the innocent, guardian of purity.  
Artemis 21 deg Cancer 5th


Haumea (136108):  Hawaiian Goddess of Childbirth and Fertility, sacred birth, essence of purity, birth of specialness, clear state of consciousness.  Haumea 17 deg Virgo 7th


     Haumea is said to be the Goddess of Childbirth due to her knowledge of the birthing process, not only that of the soul but also of the biological-ecological relationship with life-having been said to have saved a woman from a caesarian by using a herbal remedy to induce birth. Haumea's knowledge of fertility extends to that of the plants of the forest and the use of herbs. http://www.lunarplanner.com/asteroids-dwarfplanets/Haumea.html


Mother archetype (Carl Jung): motherly love and warmth, the loving mother or the terrible mother, goddess of fate, mother complex (exaggeration of the maternal instinct). Jung considered the Mother the most important archetype because it seemed to contain all others. A newborn baby is not a blank slate but comes wired ready to perceive certain archetypal patterns and symbols.


We will draw up the baby's birth chart too!


Love,

Linda

Hello everyone,

Baby hasn´t decided to show herself as of yet but I have been experiencing some deep emotional shifts. I have been connecting to a space where I am understanding the origins of some of my self rejection on a deeper level than before. At least the origins in this lifetime. I was understanding the rejection of self through the mothers own rejection of self. I have also been connecting to the space where I as a baby would not yet have the understanding of separateness from the mother. How deeply the mothers actions can, without realizing it, impact the child.

For example.. I know that my father stepped in and decided that it was time I learned to be independent of my mother at around 8 months old. He put me in my cot and closed the door and left me to scream. My mother was then only allowed to go in and remake the bed and redress me, as I had stripped myself and the cot completely of everything and would be left standing on the wooden board naked, then she would leave again.

I connect a lot of these feelings to not being loved or even to being hated and rejected. It is a very deeply rooted emotion that could go unnoticed but it is there and in affects my ability to accept myself and most importantly to forgive my own shortcomings. I put such a high standard of conduct onto myself when it comes to how I make other people feel that if I myself should lose myself in my own emotions and thereby affect someone else It induces an intense amount of guilt and I find it difficult to forgive myself as "I know better". I have been aware of this behavior pattern before but now i connected it to the origin in a way that helped me discern what feelings to keep and what to let go of and how to let go of them in order to be able to clear those emotions from resurfacing again and again.

I have also been connecting to the space of how very important my children are to my own evolutionary journey and why. When I had first child, I felt that it saved my life. He gave me a reason to live, to care about life and myself in a totally different way than ever before. It was also terrifying, To connect to and love someone so much and also know that anything can end at any point. That nothing is forever. I could never understand the motto "Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all" and felt that it would be much better to never have loved. Having my son gave me no choice in the matter though.

When I was planning my second child I became terrified again because I realized that if the worst imaginable should happen to one of my children, then I would be bound to stay here on earth to live for the other. I believe this fear was part of the initial reason that I began to search for a deeper spiritual connection or to find god.

I am now in a space of overwhelming abundance and love for not only my children but my soul-mate and I am completely unguarded and openhearted to everyone and I understand that it is better to have loved than lived in fear of loss. The love that I feel is extending to the people and world around me in a way that is beautiful and unconditional. Seeing everyone as children of creation and realizing that the love I feel for my own children is only an example of the love that exists between all souls.

It was a heavy full moon with lots of emotional clearing but I feel very much lighter now.  :)

<3
Jen

Hi Jen,

Thanks so much for sharing experiences around being a mother, and also experiences from your own childhood.

Jen's quote:  I connect a lot of these feelings to not being loved or even to being hated and rejected. It is a very deeply rooted emotion that could go unnoticed but it is there and it affects my ability to accept myself and most importantly to forgive my own shortcomings.

Just a few correlations:

Karmic signature - Pluto Libra 8th - betrayal, fear of vulnerability/betrayal/loss, power and powerlessness, equality, balance, extremes, giving and receiving of love (to self and others).

Early childhood environment - cusp of the Gemini 4th house - mental stimulation, value placed on communication, reasoning rather than really feeling.

4th ruled by Mercury Leo 7th conjunct Jupiter - growing up hungry for attention, appreciation, and admiration;  performing (clowning about) rather than communicating feelings;  real or perceived needs not being met.

Moon Scorpio 9th - past life experiences of death associated with pregnancy/birth/children, fear of abandonment/loss, aura of mournfulness carried as an emotional tone or undercurrent.

Many of the above experiences, all of which are created by your Soul, promote expression and development of the Pluto polarity point (PPP) Pisces 2nd house, emotional and physical self-reliance, thus moving away from dysfunctional patterns.  Ceres is conjunct your PPP and therefore very important, where you not only nurture others, but just as importantly, yourself.  The North Node Virgo 7th also facilitates the forward momentum of soul growth through discernment of relationship dynamics such as when to give and when not to give, etc.

Pluto polarity point - conjunct planet (or asteroid)

Development of the planet conjunct the Pluto polarity point, by house and sign, is a crucial part of the Soul's ongoing evolutionary process. It's one of the most intense placements a planet can have. Review what Jeffrey had to say about Mars opposing Pluto and how extreme that is. Now substitute for the Mars archetypes that he described, the archetypes of the planet that is opposing Pluto. One thing that can often occur with this placement is people and events in the outer reality will occur in intense Plutonian ways. The person often sees this as external, as things that are happening to them. They have forgotten that everything that occurs externally is an out-picturing of the Soul's internal reality. Thus they can feel victimized, until they finally come to understand the evolutionary reasons these intense experiences have been necessary for the Soul's ongoing evolutionary needs. Then the lights start coming on. In the potential lack of awareness of external reality reflecting internal reality, the person may "own" one side of the opposition and project the other. That is one way it could play out. They would be projecting the parts they could not own. (Steve)

Sounds like you're in a beautiful place right now:

Jen's quote:  I am now in a space of overwhelming abundance and love for not only my children but my soul-mate and I am completely unguarded and openhearted to everyone and I understand that it is better to have loved than lived in fear of loss.

We all hope to receive word of the beginning of your labour, so that we can send you lots of loving energy to help the process!

Peace and Love,

Linda

Quote from: Linda on Jan 08, 2015, 09:00 PM

We all hope to receive word of the beginning of your labour, so that we can send you lots of loving energy to help the process!

Peace and Love,

Linda

Thank you so much! I will definitley keep you posted. ;)

Much love
Jen

Hi Jen,


New Moon 0 deg Aquarius


It must be getting very close to the time of labour for you!  

We have the New Moon coming up in a few days time on 20th January 2015 @ 8:13 am EDT.  You have shown interest in providing us details of events around New Moons and Full Moons.

We understand if you would like to suspend this thread for a while, but if you're interested in reporting any new events, projects or desires (plus the obvious :D ) correlating to the New Moon Aquarius, please go ahead and share at any time before, during or after the New Moon.

Attached is your natal chart + transits for 20th January 2015.  At 8:13 am EDT the Moon will be exactly conjunct the Sun @ 0 deg Aquarius in your 12th house.

Mercury stations Rx @ 17 deg Aquarius, 10:54 am EDT, on 21st January2015.





We all wish you the very best.

Thank you,

Linda

Hello Jen,


Any questions?


Skywalker and I thought that this would be a good time to answer some of your questions.

You can ask about:

-  any specific questions you may have regarding your natal chart

-  specific dynamics you have lived and need to make sense of

-  the need to understand the "why" of anything that one can try and see via EA

-  the current moment (transits)

Any questions that we cannot answer we will defer to other EA members and/or Rad.

We know you are looking after your new baby - there is no pressure to ask any questions - only if you wish to.


Thank you,

Linda

Hello Linda, Skywalker and everyone, Yes that would be amazing. Thank you! I will think about what questions I have and post tomorrow.

NEW MOON IN AQUARIUS AND BABY'S BIRTH

I would like to share my experience of the birth of our baby girl and the New Moon in Aquarius.

On the night of the 19th January as I went to bed, I felt the changes in my body and knew that baby was coming soon. Although maybe not quite as soon as she did  :)  The feeling I had soon turned into full labour and only a couple of hours later baby was born. It was an absolutely beautiful experience and completely as I wished it to be..down to the smallest details.

It´s funny because I was expecting some opposition of some kind due to the Pluto oppose Mars transit. I had very specific requests about a natural experience and as little as possible medical interference. I have heard numerous stories of women having to fight for their right to refuse certain medical interventions so was mentally prepared for this.

When we arrived at the hospital we were greeted by the midwife who had assisted the birth of my other daughter. I know that she has the same beliefs as myself and trusts in Mother Nature and mothers intuition. So I didn't have to say anything, she just did exactly what I wished, without me having to say a word. Baby was born only 20 minutes after we arrived at the hospital. Only my husband, the midwife and myself in the delivery room. A beautiful calm atmosphere. No needles, drugs or anything. I was able to take hold of baby myself and lift her up to my chest as she was born. We stayed for a few hours then went home. There was not a thing I would change about it. It was perfect. Baby is perfect and I feel that our family is complete.

The next day on the New Moon, it dawned on me that everything that is to be the groundwork of my life has been manifested. That the foundation for the life that I wish to live is in place and now it is a matter of nurturing and growing it. It has all been manifested quickly and consciously within the past 3 years. I really feel that I  (and my family as a whole) have entered the next chapter. It is so exciting and unreal to be living your dream, I have to keep pinching myself. I don´t mean that it´s easy but so soul fulfilling and rich.

I will send baby´s birth details to Linda ;)

Much love
Jen

Congratulations! New Baby Girl!!  Welcome to the World :-)

Dear Jen,
Blessings to you and your lovely, perfect family. I'm glad to hear you had the birth just as you preferred, as it should be! Wishing you all continued joy and happiness...
Love, Dawn

Thank you Linda, Cat, Dawncerise and all <3

I haven't had a chance to formulate my questions yet but I will post them soon.

Blessings
Jen

Hi Jen,

Congratulations! Nice to know the birth went just as you desired, in a natural way!

All the best

Hello Jen,


MERCURY RETROGRADE AQUARIUS 2015 ~ ☿ Rx


5 Jan - 1 Aquarius 18 - Mercury Enters Rx Zone
21 Jan - 17 Aquarius 05 Rx - Mercury Stationary Retrograde
11 Feb - 1 Aquarius 18 - Mercury Stationary Direct
3 Mar - 17 Aquarius 05 - Mercury Leaves Rx Zone


Now that Mercury is Direct, would you like to report on any intense revelations, sudden awakenings, breaking from the past, final answers or evolutionary lessons that are pouring in?


It was great reading your experiences of the birth of your baby girl born 2 days before Mercury's Stationary Retrograde on 21 January.  No need to reply ~ only when you feel like it.


Thanks,

Linda

Hi everyone,

I just wanted check in to let you know that I haven't forgotten about the tread. It has been on my mind and I have a few things to share.. some insights. I have been in a neptunian fog lately but have some deep thoughts to share.. if only i can get them written down as i cannot hold any thoughts in my mind and everything keeps dissolving. I intend to write tomorrow. 

Hope all is well with you all
<3
Jen

Hello everyone, i finally put my thoughts into writing. I didn't realize how much I had been thinking about until I saw it in writing.. and this is just an overview.

Mercury Retrograde

So this mercury retrograde period has been quite intense. I suppose the other transits are contributing to my experience of it. I have brought up many deep questions for review about the nature of our reality. Questions like How do we know when to act out of a conscious space or to allow fate to decide? Will that which is meant to Be  manifest without my interaction? Does it matter what we do in life if our experience is always subjective? How do we chose which perspective to take while knowing that all different perspectives are merely subjective to the desired personal experience?

A friend who was fighting "terminal" cancer with everything he had was searching for alternative methods of healing. He was doing everything from past life regression to a special diet. I found myself wondering if it could make a difference to if he lived or died. Surely something as big as death must be fated? Or do we have the ability to choose different "exit points"? I began to wonder whether it could make a difference to the outcome, or just to the experience. I.e. he could pass away after fighting for his life or after giving up and waiting to pass. He could survive due to traditional medical help or due to alternative methods. Does the body really matter in the souls journey? If not, how does the connection to other souls play in"¦fated moments etc.

My friend passed away on the 11th leaving me with a new set of questions. He was only 32 years old and left behind his wife, a 3 month old baby and 9 year old. His passing affected me deeply, not only for the obvious reasons but also because I had come to believe that he would make it. That he was showing the world that we are able to heal ourselves.. I realize I was projecting some ultimate meaning into his experience and that my thought process was too linear logical because I just couldn´t understand WHY. I had attached some belief of there being a higher purpose to life and that if we just align ourselves with that purpose we can make a difference to the world. I know there are many different ways that we affect the world around us and that passing away at a young age will certainly do that as much as surviving against all odds.

I now began pondering questions about what becomes of the soul after death. If the consciousness of the soul merges back with the "ocean" or stays to experience part of their journey from the dimension outside the physical. Questions about what it entails to leave the body behind. Also about love and loss. About how I´m sure all of the lives that my friend has touched will be happy that they were blessed with those moments. That it truly is better to have loved and lost.

This led to another profound realization which answered many questions and was very healing. I was thinking about love in correlation to Neptune and spirituality. That love, in its truest form, has no attachments. That love is something that we naturally give as that is the nature of love.. We couldn´t contain it if we tried as it naturally IS boundless in its very essence. This led me to realize the connection between love and attachments. That love, in and of itself has no attachment and therefor it can never be lost. So it cannot be contained or lost. So then what is loss? If you cannot lose love then what can you lose? You can only lose something that is of the past, that you already know, right. So that means that you already have what you feel you have lost.. You just want it again. That is the attachment.

We don't stop loving someone after they have passed. We can love a person deeply long after they have passed. So what do we lose when we lose someone? The possibility to re-experiencing what we have experienced with them and also the possibility of creating new experiences with that person. But I wonder if we are attached to the unexperienced aspects of the new experiences or just the old experiences of the person being experienced in new ways. Because if we are really mourning the possibility of re-experiencing the things we already have within us from the past, then we already have those very things.. They are not lost. They can never be lost, and neither can the love.

So this has been an exceptionally "busy" Mercury retrograde. I hope I didn make your heads spin.
I also Intend to post my  regarding my chart. Hopefully tomorrow.

Much love
Jen

Hi jen,

Deep and profound thoughts to reflect upon. Thanks for sharing.  Sorry to hear of your loss. Don't forget what you said:

QuoteThey are not lost. They can never be lost, and neither can the love.

cat

Quote from: Jen on Feb 18, 2015, 03:30 PM
Hello everyone, i finally put my thoughts into writing. I didn't realize how much I had been thinking about until I saw it in writing.. and this is just an overview.

Mercury Retrograde

So this mercury retrograde period has been quite intense. I suppose the other transits are contributing to my experience of it. I have brought up many deep questions for review about the nature of our reality. Questions like


How do we know when to act out of a conscious space or to allow fate to decide?


Will that which is meant to Be manifest without my interaction?


Does it matter what we do in life if our experience is always subjective?


How do we chose which perspective to take while knowing that all different perspectives are merely subjective to the desired personal experience?


A friend who was fighting "terminal" cancer with everything he had was searching for alternative methods of healing. He was doing everything from past life regression to a special diet.


I found myself wondering if it could make a difference to if he lived or died. Surely something as big as death must be fated? Or do we have the ability to choose different "exit points"?


I began to wonder whether it could make a difference to the outcome, or just to the experience. I.e. he could pass away after fighting for his life or after giving up and waiting to pass. He could survive due to traditional medical help or due to alternative methods.


Does the body really matter in the soul's journey? If not, how does the connection to other souls play in"¦fated moments etc.


My friend passed away on the 11th leaving me with a new set of questions. He was only 32 years old and left behind his wife, a 3 month old baby and 9 year old. His passing affected me deeply, not only for the obvious reasons but also because I had come to believe that he would make it. That he was showing the world that we are able to heal ourselves.. I realize I was projecting some ultimate meaning into his experience and that my thought process was too linear logical because I just couldn´t understand WHY. I had attached some belief of there being a higher purpose to life and that if we just align ourselves with that purpose we can make a difference to the world. I know there are many different ways that we affect the world around us and that passing away at a young age will certainly do that as much as surviving against all odds.


I now began pondering questions about what becomes of the soul after death. If the consciousness of the soul merges back with the "ocean" or stays to experience part of their journey from the dimension outside the physical. Questions about what it entails to leave the body behind.


Also about love and loss. About how I´m sure all of the lives that my friend has touched will be happy that they were blessed with those moments. That it truly is better to have loved and lost.

This led to another profound realization which answered many questions and was very healing. I was thinking about love in correlation to Neptune and spirituality. That love, in its truest form, has no attachments. That love is something that we naturally give as that is the nature of love.. We couldn´t contain it if we tried as it naturally IS boundless in its very essence. This led me to realize the connection between love and attachments. That love, in and of itself has no attachment and therefor it can never be lost. So it cannot be contained or lost. So then what is loss? If you cannot lose love then what can you lose? You can only lose something that is of the past, that you already know, right. So that means that you already have what you feel you have lost.. You just want it again. That is the attachment.

We don't stop loving someone after they have passed. We can love a person deeply long after they have passed.

So what do we lose when we lose someone?

The possibility to re-experiencing what we have experienced with them and also the possibility of creating new experiences with that person. But I wonder if we are attached to the unexperienced aspects of the new experiences or just the old experiences of the person being experienced in new ways. Because if we are really mourning the possibility of re-experiencing the things we already have within us from the past, then we already have those very things.. They are not lost. They can never be lost, and neither can the love.

So this has been an exceptionally "busy" Mercury retrograde. I hope I didn't make your heads spin.
I also Intend to post my regarding my chart. Hopefully tomorrow.

Much love
Jen

Hi Jen,


Mercury Retrograde Aquarius 2015


Thank you for sharing your profound core meditations on the loss of your friend and the healing that came to you after he passed.

As I continued reading I saw that in time you were able to answer some of your own questions.

Since it was during the Mercury Retrograde Aquarius cycle in your 12th (and ruler Uranus Aries in your 3rd) that you had that experience, then I gather you were/are seeking information.

The Mercury Rx cycle took place at the very end of your 12th house where consciousness merges with the Ocean, and Mercury correlating to a "journey" ... in this case, of your friend journeying to the other side.

Your friend passed on the 11th February approx. 1 Aquarius 18 with Mercury Stationary Direct exactly squaring your South Node of Chiron in Taurus in the 2nd house (of survival/procreation), just 3 weeks after your baby was born.  You may wish to take a look at the Mercury archetype in the chart of your friend.  Jupiter is another planet that seems to be highlighted in a death chart.

However, if there are any questions that you still have and would like Rad to answer, please let us know.

I have put all of your questions in bold (above).

I highly recommend that you read Jeffrey Wolf Green's book, "Neptune - Whispers from Eternity"
which contains chapters such as:

Neptune and the Projection of Ultimate Meaning

-  The Ego as a Vehicle of Evolution
-  The Astral Plane
-  Lives to Come

Neptune - The Collective Consciousness and Unconsciousness

A short excerpt from the book:

"Within the consciousness of the human organism is an awareness of the totality, the immensity, of the Manifest Creation: of something much larger than any one part of that Manifest Creation. This awareness, of course, is the causative factor, the determinant, for human consciousness to understand in some way exactly the cause of that Manifest Creation. This need to understand this cause then becomes the determinant of creating some kind of cosmology that can explain it. As a result, whatever the agreed upon cause is of that Manifest Creation, at any point in time in the human evolutionary journey, conditions the nature of the individual Soul consciousness."


Thanks,

Linda

Hello Jen,


MARCH 2015 ~ THE LAST URANUS/PLUTO SQUARE!


Wow ~ what a month of celestial events March is going to be!


-  Jupiter trine Uranus at 14 deg Leo/Aries in the first week,


-  Yod:  Sun - Pluto - Jupiter (apex) on 3-7 March,


-  Full Moon at 14 deg Virgo on 5 March,


-  Venus, Mars and Uranus in Aries conjunct the South Node and squaring Pluto in Capricorn,


-  the 7th and final Pluto/Uranus exact square at 15 deg Aries/Capricorn on 16-17 March,


-  a New Moon Solar Eclipse at 29 deg Pisces on 20 March,


-  Yod:  Mercury - Pluto - Jupiter on 21-23 March, and


-  Grand Trine:  Pluto, Venus and Black Moon Lilith at the end of the month.


Please let us know if you would like to share any events/insights at any time throughout the month.


Thanks so much,

Linda