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Hi All,

I am posting a lecture Jeffrey Wolf Green did many years ago on the evolutionary meaning of retrograde planets. I will post in in several parts until the end is reached. If you have any questions occur to you as you read through it please feel free to ask.

God Bless, Rad

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                            THE EVOLUTIONARY MEANING OF RETROGRADE PLANETS
                                                        Jeffrey Wolf Green

Jeffrey: Today we will be talking about the nature of retrograde planets, and what they mean from the evolutionary point of view of the Soul. Please keep in mind that the phenomenon of a planet appearing retrograde is an apparent motion. That simply means their motion appears retrograde is relative to the Earth: it is not actually happening from the point of view of the Sun. So this is an apparent motion. Nonetheless, since it is applicable to the Earth, what we see from the surface of the Earth, there have been observed dynamics in human consciousness, and events on the Earth, that are specific to that apparent retrograde motion.

There are key archetypes that retrograde motion correlates to that are specific to retrograde archetypes. The first thing to understand is that the retrograde planet accelerates the evolutionary momentum of the Soul. The reason is that the retrograde is meant to retreat, reject or rebel against the status quo expectations of how that planet, its archetypal behavior, is expected to manifest and, thus, it accelerates the process of individuation. The retrograde function must, as an archetype, define for itself how that behavior, how that psychology, and how the circumstances which reflect that will be defined. In addition, the retrograde archetype is non-static: it rarely reaches a point in time where it goes, "Aha, that's it, no more." It emphasizes the need to continuously grow, and to continuously challenge existing limitations that promote the sense of stagnation, or non-growth. Thus, this creates a cyclic or perpetual need to redefine, retrograde, internal or external circumstances as necessary.

Again, it accelerates or emphasizes the individuation process. As a result, the function that is retrograde will place a premium on individuality, but, in so doing, it is also going to induce the sense of being different: different as measured against the status quo. For example, if we have Venus retrograde, this is going to demonstrate archetypically an individual who needs to uniquely define its own personal and social values which will then allow it to relate to itself, Venus, in a way that is reflective of its own individuality. As a result Venus retrograde will orient to relationships in such a way as to reject, rebel, retreat from the status quo expectation of how relationships, and how the roles within relationships, are meant to be played out from a societal, status quo, point of view. Thus, the person will feel different. If we apply this archetype to say a teenager in a middle class high school in Middle America, and there all kinds of teenage peer group that has all kinds of social norms which equal expected ways to be in relationships and how the genders are meant to treat each other, how is this teenager going to be able to relate to his or her peer group? Is the retrograde Venus teenager going to feel different than this? As a result, is it possible that it is going to feel itself to be a social loner? Could this not set up all kinds of cruel accusations from its existing peer group? This is exactly where the issue of emotional, psychological compensation can exist. It is not uncommon for the retrograde archetype to compensate by giving the appearance of normalcy relative to whatever function is retrograde in order to feel socially, and thus individually, secure. Yet, in so doing, it is in violation of its own natural law: how the Soul is desiring to evolve.

There are such things as retrograde personality types. This is commonly linked to birth patterns in which you find four or more retrograde planets. Typically these people, unless they are psychologically compensating, are highly introverted: retrograde. They are extremely sensitive, shy, timid, and socially unsure. Now keep in mind this issue of compensation.  Some can play a good game, and create the appearance which belies reality.

Audience: When does it become a game, and when does it become a balancing act? If we believe in the transmigration of Souls, there has been a certain point in the evolution when the planet has been direct and another time when the planet is going to be retrograde. Yet, one can go beyond that to a certain extent and balance the archetype which does have an inner and outer function.

Jeffrey: The balance that you are alluding to is for the Soul to create or design its circumstantial life to reflect its own inner essence: its intrinsic individuality. If that is done there can be a natural balance. If not, anything other than that is going to be an act of compensation in which balance can never be achieved. It is a very fine line.

Compensation is about protection. My point is that once the individual manifests the courage to define these archetypes which are retrograde to reflect its actual essence, that courage to do so will create an inner security that will withstand any sense of social insecurity that is based on not conforming to the status quo. The evolved retrograde attitude would be like the bumper sticker, "Take it or leave it".

Audience: What I think becomes important is that it is a highly individuating function, and if the function becomes paramount, and the person does this from an individual perspective rather than being forced into it collectively, then he or she can develop in a very unique way.

Jeffrey: Absolutely. And that is the key: to have it reflect their own individual law or nature. It does not mean forming group bonds with similarly alienated Souls, and adopting those alienated value systems. This is another possibility. But it would then become just another compensation relative to the consensus: the consensus now being a group of alienated people.

Audience: My son is 19 months old and has five planets retrograde including Pluto. I didn't understand the group thing.

Jeffrey: I said that some retrograde people opt for relationships with alienated Souls, Souls who are also feeling that they are not fitting into the status quo, and then adopt the consensus of the alienated peer group versus doing what retrograde demands which is to uniquely define whatever is retrograde to reflect the actual individuality or reality of the person themselves. The only way the group thing could work would be being within a group whose primary attitude is "˜define yourself to reflect yourself'.

Audience: That's how I feel our whole family is.

Jeffrey: That is the whole point. Once the environment is created which reflects the individual, then the introversion doesn't exist because there is environmental permission to be who you are. The introversions of timidity and shyness are only in environments of a consensus in which the environmental message is not to be who you are. A parent who is able to give this permission to be who you are is clearly the combination that allows this safe to be opened.

Audience: When you speak of this individuating function, I find Saturn to be particularly important because that is, of course, the social collective and if the person can't overcome that, then the person can't individuate.

Jeffrey: Yes. That is difficult. Saturn retrograde is not an uncommon symbol: Venus is the rarest to be retrograde, every 542 days out of every cycle. That is a long time: it is almost a year and three quarters. The smallest number of people with a planet retrograde are Venus retrograde people. The most common is Pluto. It is retrograde half the year every year.

Audience: There are going to be cycles too like right now where the planets are bunched through Scorpio, Sagittarius and Capricorn where anyone born in opposition to that is going to have all of those retrograde.

Jeffrey: Yes. Going back to Saturn retrograde is going to be difficult but we always have to come back to this basic issue of evaluating the condition of the Soul. If we are observing a Soul which has already evolved to an individuated state, Saturn retrograde will not be problematic. That is only twenty percent of the population. Seventy percent of the Saturn retrogrades will be in the consensus state, and that is where the problems can exist. That is where these issues of compensation will be most observable. So this is a key point: observe the evolutionary state of the Soul. This cannot be overemphasized.

Audience: I have always felt (I have Venus retrograde) ostracized by the peer group, growing up and through the teen years and I never really felt like I was part of the classroom on the social scene. I always had to stand off most of the time. I could see what you would mean about a growth in the individuated: trying to find your own values. But with the retrograde it seems like it takes such a long time to find out what your values really are.

Jeffrey: Again, it is non-static. It is analogous to peeling the layers off an onion to arrive at the core: how quickly can that really be done? Especially when you have tears in the eyes, and you want to throw the onion away. But it again depends upon evolutionary station. I have Venus retrograde, and it is in Scorpio in the 1st house. I couldn't care less if I fit into whatever group, even astrology groups. I am a group of one, Aries, and I am quite happy.

Audience: What is an average number of planets retrograde? One or two?  Is it rare for someone to have no retrogrades?

Jeffrey: No, it is not rare. Both of my children have no planets retrograde including the nodes.

Audience: I read in a book that three was normal.

Jeffrey: Based on my own experience through counseling I would say the average is two or three. Let's take a random sample in this room of how many of you have Venus retrograde given that it's the rarest of all retrogrades (the room that Jeffrey is in has about twenty five students). Four hands in the air. That's unusual, but not in a group like this, eh? And that's because groups like this, an astrology group, are NOT PART OF THE CONSENSUS IN THIS SOCIETY.

Audience: What about Venus in Aquarius retrograde?

Jeffrey:  I can only give you the archetype: the need to define your own unique values, individually, socially, to define uniquely how you need to be in a relationship, what you will and won't accept, what the partner should and shouldn't be. And then manifesting the courage to express that. If it doesn't look like anybody else's relationship with respect to the social milieu, so be it. There is simply a need to rebel, Aquarius, against the status quo expectations. From a karmic point of view, which is the next layer of retrograde, there can be some karmic implications with respect to many past lives in which you confused the issue of friendship and intimacy, and trying to turn a valued friend into an intimate other. This then created all kinds of problems in so doing. So then the retrograde means what? 

The archetypal intent of the retrograde also applies to relearn, redo, repeat, and rethink. So, from an evolutionary and karmic point of view the retrograde can re-experience, relive dynamics, circumstances, people, events that are symbolic and reflective of other lifetimes because the lessons were not learned.

Audience: Do you think that would cause a person to have a lot of feelings or energies from past lives?

Jeffrey: Are you talking about images that occur into the consciousness?

Audience: Yes.

Jeffrey: Retrograde planets of themselves attempt to break down the barrier between conscious and unconscious and, specifically, the individuated unconscious. The retrograde archetype tries to actually access the Uranian archetype which is held in the individuated unconscious. So, of course such images can come forth as well as actually having the experience of reliving things from other times.

Audience: With Pluto retrograde you said that all intimate people that you have in your life, you have been with before.

Jeffrey: No. That is not in the Pluto book. I wrote it, I should know.

Audience: I thought you made that statement about the 8th house Pluto.

Jeffrey: Yes, that is about the 8th house Pluto, not Pluto retrograde in general.

Audience: How do those people come together?

Jeffrey: That choice, and that karmic requirement, if you look at it from this life's point of view, is established in other times. It comes under the category of fate or destiny. Generally, twenty percent any of our lives is fated, and eighty percent is free choice. When there is a karmic/evolutionary requirement to repeat or relive certain relationships with individuals in which something was not done right, finished, or completed, or even in certain cases where there is a condition of fruition, then those karmic and evolutionary requirements correlate to "˜fate'. In this context fate then directs the show beyond the current personality. Circumstances have actually been created by the Soul, unbeknownst to the conscious personality, that lead people back together.

Audience: Can it be a archetype of something that needs to be repeated rather than something which is with an actual Soul that you have been with before?

Jeffrey: From an 8th house Pluto point of view? Yes, that "˜something' can be inner dynamics that have created circumstances that need to be repeated. If that also turns out to be the need to repeat specific relationships with others then you want to look at Venus, and the ruler of the 8th house because that is essentially what is going on: what the dynamics have been. Look at the aspects that both are making in order to understand the total "˜picture' of what has gone on and why. Within that to then understand what the resolutions are of these dynamics that are being repeated so that the Soul does not have to repeat them again.

Audience: This is true all during one's lifetime, and never stops? And does it continue into future lives?

Jeffrey: It totally depends on what choices are being made during this lifetime.

Classic example. A person we knew had a deep vision to be an alternative teacher. She had a natal 8th house retrograde Pluto, and a stacked 9th house. The vision that the person had was a wonderful vision, magnificent vision, which required her to have a teaching partner. She had done this before, in another lifetime, and had others that she had partnered with for this vision to become reality. And, yet, in that former life one of those partners, a business partner, 8th house Pluto retrograde, was utterly jealous of this person. She wanted to be this person herself. Thus, she was dishonest, and completely manipulative in terms of presenting her own motivations to this person: the reasons that she wanted to help her actualize this vision. Her inner motives in that life were to help this person actualize her vision, and then to sabotage her so that she could then take over the alternative school that this person had designed.

In that life when this began to occur the 8th house Pluto person refused to understand, grasp, and accept who that person really was, what their intentions and motives were. She just wanted to forgive that person, and made up all kids of excuses manifesting as reasons as to why that person did what they did. Thus, because of this, the 8th house Pluto retrograde person created karmic and evolutionary conditions in which they would have to repeat these dynamics again so as to relearn the truth of what actually happened, and why. This was necessary of course so that the 8th house Pluto person would not do this again, so they could then evolve. And, of course, it was necessary to experience this person in this life so that the 8th house Pluto retrograde person could finally call a spade a spade to this person's face.

So as she began to implement her vision she drew to herself a person who wanted to help her actualize this vision. Everyone else around her was telling her not to get involved with that person. And, of course, that person was that same person from the former life.

So even though everyone else around her was telling her not to get involved with this person she did so anyway: it was fated. So she went ahead a made the choice to go ahead with this person. Yet, because of that person not being honest, etc, events transpired that lead them to become arch enemies. This time she did not make excuses for her, and saw everything about her with crystal clarity. And that, indeed, was the resolution relative to the karmic and evolutionary need to repeat this relationship. The lesson for this 8th house Pluto retrograde person, relative to a stacked 9th house, was to trust her intuition, and to see this particular person clearly.

Audience: What would be different with a 2nd house Pluto retrograde, versus the 8th house Pluto retrograde?

Jeffrey: Because the issues and dynamics of the 8th house is diametrically different than the second: making choices equaling union, partnership, and marriage with another. Typically, the 8th house is involved with manipulation. And, typically, 8th house Pluto people deny rabidly that there is any manipulation taking place. The most common pattern with 8th house Pluto people is that they form relationships with people, or people form relationships with them, relative to need and once the need is satisfied there is no more use for the relationship. Thus, use and manipulation. So, unless is it openly stated in the beginning of the relationship that I will be here this amount of time, and when it is over I will be gone. That will then preclude any sort of karma at that level.

Audience: Would you say that there is more of a fated quality to retrogrades? The more retrogrades the more fated the life?

Jeffrey: Yes. That can be. Especially when the issue of relive and repeat is on the line. In my own case, I have a balsamic Mars/Venus: the culmination of a cycle relative to relationships: And my Venus, again, is retrograde in Scorpio in the 1st house, and square Pluto and Saturn which are also retrograde. It is also inconjunct Uranus in Gemini in the 8th house. So, how do you think I am culminating many relationships from many lifetimes? In the kind of work I am doing.

Audience: Through vicarious association?

Jeffrey: No. By doing it impersonally, so I don't have to get closely involved. The impersonal aspect of it is the Venus retrograde inconjuncting the Uranus retrograde in the 8th house Gemini. And this takes place in the contest of my work or career: the square from the Venus retrograde to Saturn retrograde. So it becomes like a revolving door, and becomes the quickest way to do it. And, sure, all the time there is that kind of recognition factor.
                   
We must also understand that there is a collective issue with respect to retrogrades. If Mercury goes retrograde we all have to deal with the principles of redoing, redefining, and rethinking pertaining to Mercury. How many of you have experienced communications from people that you have known in this life that you have lost communication with for a period of time, and suddenly you have a re-communication? How many of you have experienced this when Mercury is retrograde? It is a common phenomenon. So what is being redone? What is being reestablished? What is the purpose?

It is a classic Mercury retrograde example that you have put together certain things in a Mercury kind of way, and strategies to accomplish them. What happens when Mercury goes retrograde is you have to rethink the whole thing. Suddenly, you are not quite so certain. What happens if you start making major decisions when Mercury is retrograde? Typically information win come to light after it goes direct that has bearing on the decision that was made when it was retrograde. So don't make major decisions when Mercury is retrograde. Always wait for it to go direct so as to become aware of that last vital piece of information to make a more logical decision. Mercury is retrograde about three weeks about three times a year.

Audience: Is it good to wait for it to get back to the degree where it went retrograde?

Jeffrey: Yes. That's a very good piece of advice.

Audience: People who have Mercury retrograde would naturally look at all angles because this for them is a deeper intensification of their mind.

Jeffrey: Actually, for people who have Mercury retrograde natally, it tends to promote a special clarity when it goes retrograde. So they get to sit back and get a great laugh while everyone else struggles, and sees what they go through throughout life!

Audience: Would that also be true for someone who has progressed Mercury retrograde?

Jeffrey: Yes. But not as strong as when it is a natal issue. But don't you see this Mercury retrograde issue right now with all these politicians questioning the nuclear arms treaty? Rethinking, redoing. Don't you see that certain of these politicians running for president are having to retract certain statements that they have made: for example Pat Robertson's ludicrous claim of missiles suddenly back in Cuba!

Audience: He has it on good authority!

Jeffrey: So, there are these collective implications.

Audience: What about stationary retrograde or direct?

Jeffrey: The stationary retrograde, or stationary direct, is a very interesting symbol because it right away is going to magnify itself: it concentrates. A student noticed that when Pluto would go retrograde, and then go stationary direct, major events would occur and yet at the point of the stationary direct it was not aspecting any other natal planets. His question was what does it mean. What it means, from Pluto's point of view, when it goes retrograde it sets in motion a gestational process, the gestation emanating from the Soul, in which the Soul is beginning to redefine certain aspects of its reality. So, by the time it goes stationary direct, it concentrates itself to induce inner or outer events which reflect what the gestation was all about. So, what the stationary does, then, is to bring into reality what the retrograde issue was trying to gestate: to rethink, redo, redefine, etc.

Audience: So, if you were born with a stationary direct, it would be an evolutionary thing, you have been in a retrograde before and are now moving direct.

Jeffrey: Yes. If you see it stationary, then this is the first life where that is taking place after that gestational process. This implies that there has been a series of prior lives in which it had been retrograde and relative to the natural evolutionary cycle, suddenly there is a life for the first time after a while in which it is now retrograde. It will move from birth through transits and progression and express itself, manifest itself, quite instinctually. Even though it will be instinctual the Soul will know how to do it, whatever it is.

Also, when you find planets, that are retrograde which form aspects to planets that are not retrograde, this is called an "˜oblique retrograde'. You can have an oblique retrograde Moon. If you have Uranus retrograde forming a square to the Moon, for example. You see? So, what would an oblique retrograde Moon actually mean?

Audience: Stabilizing and internalizing.

Jeffrey: Internalizing is the key in order to establish a state of inner emotional security. The whole intent of the retrograde is to introspect, and to internalize in order to individuate. So, relative to the Moon, the individual has decided to learn how to nurture itself, and to create a state of inner security. It infers that the person is learning to break free, to liberate, Uranus, from all external dependencies. It infers that there is a discrepancy between the parents' realities, and the child's realities. This is because the Moon is aspecting a retrograde planet. 

A person could have a whole chart that is retrograde by aspect. The same applies to the Sun. If anyone has an oblique retrograde to the Sun, it means that the person cyclically or perpetually throughout life will redefine its whole sense of purpose, and how it creatively actualizes that purpose. And, within this, how it is interpreting and giving meaning to its experience relative to that.

For example, a person with a Sagittarius Sun. And let's say that person goes through some major traumatic event. The way that the person integrates itself and gives purpose to its life is uniquely Sagittarius. That is different than integrating oneself relative to Libra. If I go through a major hardship and I am integrating by way of a Sagittarius Sun, am I not going to tend to philosophize that trauma? I will be integrating it into my existing belief patterns, and using them as a basis of making a philosophical understanding of that trauma. Is that not going to be different from Sun in Taurus, or Libra or, Cancer?

Audience: What happens if a retrograde planet is aspecting another retrograde planet? Does that undo it or intensify it?

Jeffrey: It intensifies it.

Audience: With an oblique retrograde to the Moon, do you find that when the Moon moves slower, the speed of the Moon slowing down, that this relates to a retrograde function as opposed to a quick Moon?

Jeffrey: No. It does tend to make a person much more emotional than in the faster Moons. The average motion of the Moon is 12.5 degrees per day. It can move as quickly as fifteen degrees a day, or as slow as ten degrees in a day.

Audience: When a retrograde, planet goes direct by progression, how would that effect it?

Jeffrey: That's a good question. It means that at that point in time, that which has been gestated, rethought, redone, redefined to reflect individuality tends to begin to stabilize. The person begins to put things together and tends to establish a foundation that reflects all that questioning that can be sustained for a great length of time. But, again, the natal impulse is always retrograde. It is always trying to refine, retrograde, that new structure. Just think of all those kinds of words that start with: relive, rebel, rethink, refine, redefine, etc.
Audience: Retread.   

Jeffrey: If it is not retrograde at birth, and it goes retrograde by progression, then the retrograde archetype begins to operate. Now that directness is challenged, and that person begins to feel unstable relative to the function that is going retrograde.

Audience: How many days a year is Venus retrograde?

Jeffrey: It retrogrades every five hundred and forty two days, and stays retrograde two to three weeks. That is a large cycle of un-stabilization relative to relationships. That means that a bunch of people on the planet get to redo, rethink, reflect on their relationships which includes their own relationship to themself.

So let's go ahead and now talk about each planet when it is retrograde.

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank you for sharing this I look forward to you posting the rest...

I have a question... If you see charts with Uranus retro in the 10 and Pluto retro exactly on the mid heaven does this mean In  a general sense,  because I realize you have to look at the whole picture, but in general does this mean that Souls with this configuration have chosen to do a work function that is completely independent of others? Examples, like not work for others? Not work under others? Not collaborate with others for career?
Does this mean that the Soul is looking to create a work function that is from with in on their own terms that they create and offer to others in some way?

Thank you,
Heather

Nice post Rad

Heather, Ive got Uranus in the 10th retro, and even though i don't work for myself...I have to approach my work in a very individual way. Also finding a meaningful career has and is a traumatic experience!

Hi Heather,

Yes, and this can manifest from the second consensus state forwards.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank you very much...

Heather

Hi GoldLeaf,

I completely resonate with what you shared... Thank you...

Heather

Hi All,

We will now continue with JWG's talk on retrograde planets. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

God Bless, Rad

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                                                MERCURY RETROGRADE

People who have Mercury retrograde are people who, evolutionarily over many lives, have, prior to Mercury going retrograde, indiscriminately collected information from a diversity of sources in the efforts to create logical structures which will allow them to intellectually explain the nature of their existence. Because the information has been indiscriminately collected their Souls have become a library of random information that has caused intellectual confusion because of all the different forms of information that has been collected conflicts within itself. Thus, the evolutionary intention of the Mercury retrograde is to rebel, reject, to throw out all unnecessary information. The intent within this is for the Soul to orient to information that is specific and particular to its own reason for being, and thus to intellectually simplify. It means to rebel or retreat from externally gained or accepted information systems. It means to internalize in such a way that the person can develop their own voice: to arrive at their own views relative to the nature of things. It means to personalize such information.

Audience: Personal truth as opposed to social truth?

Jeffrey: Yes. As a result we have a natural antithetical archetype.

That nature of Mercury is to externalize, yet the nature of retrograde is internalize. As a result, people with Mercury retrograde, when they are exposed to knowledge which does not reflect their personal purpose, information which is not needed, then there is an automatic stiff-arm, so to speak, in the Soul which does not allow them to take in unnecessary information. This can create problems in cultures like this in which the premium, relative to educational models when we are children, is to memorize and parrot, not to conceptualize. This creates problems with the majority retrograde Mercury students. Some of these people are classically labeled slow learners. We have advocated for many years that there should be special schools taught by Mercury retrograde teachers to Mercury retrograde students. It would work: the Soul vibrations would be in harmony.

In addition, the Mercury retrograde is pointing from the left brain to the right brain. The left brain is linear, and the right brain is not. The left brain is fact-based. The right brain is intuitive. Mercury retrograde people, evolutionarily speaking, are beginning the process of relearning to rely upon and trusting their intuition as a source of information and knowledge that they are seeking. They may seek out external information sources but those sources of information would only be relative to the Mercury retrograde Souls own specific purposes and needs. When Mercury retrograde focuses on such information it can then have a photographic type memory in which that information is never forgotten. Mercury retrograde, when operating in harmony with its archetype, only speaks when there is a reason to speak.  Mercury retrograde, when it is not in harmony with its archetype, gossips like crazy, and can talk non-stop. Going from one thing to the next thing, over an over.

Audience: I know this quite intimately relative to a plane ride I just took with respect to a fellow passenger.

Jeffrey: When Mercury goes retrograde collectively then, we all come under this impulse. When it goes retrograde through progression, this is what happens. Mercury retrograde points towards Jupiter.

Hi Everyone,

Rad how do mercury retro people find ways to actually listen, here and relate to others with equality  if they are generally geared to reject all information that is not part of their purpose when ones whole environment and relations with others may feel to be completely outside of the purpose?

Thank you,

Heather

Hi Heather,

Within the Mercury retrograde archetype there is nothing that correlates to not treating or hearing others equally. They are simply being naturally who they are which does not correlate to treating others as unequal to themselves.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Ok Rad thank you...

Heather

thank you Rad,

  for this posting of JWG's lecture on retrograde planets. I have a NORWAC 2013 version (that I have listened to 100 times) and that I will transcribe someday but, in the meantime, I look forward to further postings on Planetary Retrogrades and the conversations that ensue.

  this is a most brilliant lecture and everytime I listen I realize something new. It is timeless and, truly, limitless information (the mark of truth).

  I'm, especially, interested in retrogrades by 'oblique' (by direct aspect to other retrograde planets) and, especially oblique retrogrades to the moon. My thinking is that most oblique retrogrades to the moon (or the moon conjunct a retrograde planet) would simply internalize the lesson all the more and, perhaps, turn one inward to themselves more, and make an individual far more retrospective in relation to the retrograde influence. This is what I have seen in the charts I've worked on - that individual's with retrograde influence on their moons are constantly challenging, even, their own emotional truths, realities and status-quo and are highly prone to periods of intense introspection, in which the internalization of an ever-shifting emotional truths takes place.

  I have, also, found many 'retrograde-by-oblique' Mercury explanations in a chart, that would not make sense otherwise, and this seems to astound people, but I just tell them it's Jeffrey's work.

  I look forward to the retrograde conversations of the other planets, especially Neptune which seems to be so paradoxical and hard to grasp. I wonder if Rx Neptune points to a more Virgoan definition of Mercury (in comparison to a more Geminian, 3rd hs. type of interpretation). Thank you so very much.

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Hi Marty,

Thanks for your comments. I am posting the link to the oblique retrogrades that you had originally asked about so that others may read about it: https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,1394.0.html

God Bless, Rad

Hi All,

We will now continue with the retrograde planets. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

God Bless, Rad

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                                                 VENUS RETROGRADE

Venus is the rarest archetype to have retrograde motion and the need is to, archetypically, utterly and uniquely define one's values on a personal and social level which will then allow the person to harmoniously relate to itself. As a result of this the person can then relate to others from the point of view of being centered within itself. It places a premium on the lesson of Venus from a Taurus point of view called self-reliance. Retrograde Venus people, from a spiritual point of view, are learning that the ultimate relationship is with non human being. It is with the inner Godhead. Commonly, people in monastic environments have Venus retrograde. Commonly, the artist has Venus retrograde. Commonly, the musician has Venus retrograde. The person forms a relationship with that which constitutes its work where that work is a reflection of the Soul's inner relationship to itself.

Retrograde Venus people commonly feel a high degree of social alienation through the un-relatedness, Venus, of the values systems that are shared, Venus, amongst the consensus relative to Soul's own unique and individual values. This conflict in values, of what is meaningful, of how we relate to others and why, creates a feeling of being very different with respect to the social milieu. The famous "˜wallflower'.

Audience: I don't have retrograde planets, but I can really relate to that.

Jeffrey:  If you have evolved beyond consensus state and you have planets in the social houses or the relationships houses, it can induce this effect. Anytime you have evolved out of the consensus, you are beginning to access the archetype of Uranus. Once you access the Uranus archetype consciously, that is the effect in general.

Commonly, retrograde Venus people, when they do participate in relationships, either draw individuals who are themselves rugged individualists, or they draw relationships in which they play the role of helper or counselor. The reason is that Venus correlates with the phenomena called magnetism. If you are around a person with Venus retrograde who has done the necessary inner work on themselves, then the nature of their magnetism is quite different than those who have not.

Audience: Sounds like a guru - to bring the divinity through a human being - one is able to see God through a human being - and therefore there is a relationship with a human being, not as themselves, but as bringing God through them.

Jeffrey: That can exist, but it is relative to the evolutionary state. The reason here is that people will commonly perceive in the Venus retrograde person that they truly have something to offer that is not consciously defined, and they are magnetically drawn to the person for counsel or advice. Typically happens.

The Venus retrograde principle points towards Uranus. Any retrograde archetype will point towards Uranus. It reflects the archetype of individuation, Uranus; of withdrawing from conditioning patterns outright. Venus retrograde also points to and emphasizes the Taurus side of Venus, not the Libra side. The Taurus side is all about one's inner relationship to oneself. It is also about the learning to be self reliant, and learning to identify one's own inner resources in order to sustain oneself. Within this the Taurus archetype is all about what constitutes meaning in one's life,

                                                    

                                                      MARS RETROGRADE

The very nature of Mars is yang, the male principle, to project outwards. And here, again, we have a retrograde principle that wants to introvert, and to internalize. Mars, of itself, wants no limitations. It is an utterly instinctual process which reflects the actual desires emanating from the Soul. These desires, in themselves, reflect .the evolutionary journey of the Soul and, thus, the instinctual need to assert or act upon any experience deemed necessary with a minimum of restriction in order to discover the reactions to the experience. It is the reactions to the initiated experience that produces knowledge. There is no forethought within Mars, of itself, no conscious intent. It is an utterly instinctual process that reflects the desires from the Soul.

The linkage of Mars and Pluto, by the way, is the archetype behind the Indian idea of maya: the illusion of separateness, the subjective ego of the Soul that is only identified with itself at a personality level, and thus the illusion of separateness. Mars also embodies the sexual instinct. So, if you turn this impulse retrograde, it can induce frustration because you certainly have a consciousness that is monitoring the nature of desires, and the intent behind any given action, or the desire behind any given experience. It is interrupting the natural instinctual flow. This can create problems.

Evolutionarily speaking, the intent is to only manifest experiences which are essential to the evolutionary purpose of the Soul, and thus not to waste time. Mars is analogous to the pinball machine: you pull the lever, the thing flies around, and it takes a while for the thing to find the final slot. Action-reaction. Action-reaction. Mars retrograde, however, only wants to initiate experiences that are essential. So, if you put such an archetype in a culture which is now putting a premium on freedom, and the person witnesses all around people who are operating antithetical to itself, what happens by way of comparison? What happens to the sexualized external instinct? What happens to sexual rhythm relative to this instinct? Is it constant, or does it fluctuate? What happens to the consciously acknowledged desire behind any given sexual attraction? It creates an automatic check or filter that allows for a conscious awareness of an archetype that is not normally conscious. That can be highly frustrating to the Mars.

Audience: Does it create sexual dysfunction or just reflection?

Jeffrey: In certain cases, it can lead into sexual dysfunction, in other cases, by way of compensation it can lead to the rabbit syndrome.

Audience: It sounds like these people have something on an instinctual level or process, and are working with it consciously which is implying responsibility in this case: a lot of responsibility. Would you say that Mars direct normally doesn't have that kind of responsibility?

Jeffrey: In and of itself, yes. Of course this can be conditioned by way of connections to other planets and/ or signs. For example Mars in aspect to Saturn can create that.

Audience: So, a more individual sense of right and wrong, rather than cultural, but the right and wrong of the Soul is the point.

Jeffrey: Right. That is the point. It is also obviously going to place a premium on the right to be an individual. It is going to place a premium on the need for freedom. From a spiritual point of view, it attempts to align the personal will at an egocentric level. Mars, with a higher will.

Audience: Even more so if it is in aspect to Pluto.

Jeffrey: Yes. It can lead to potential collisions, now emphasized, between its will and the will of other people that can make the person highly susceptible to the impact of other people's will. Mars rules the naval chakra with Pluto. This is where all of us take in the will, through the environment, of others. So, with Mars retrograde, i.e. its natural action of Mars is to project outward, and therefore we have a natural repelling force that can thwart other people's wills. So when Mars is retrograde the person is now taking it right back into itself. This can perpetually or cyclically weaken the constitution. It can lead to digestion problems because of the linkage with the chakra that is now emanating the nerves leading to digestion: the stomach, pancreas, duodenum, liver, etc.

Audience: Would that be accentuated if the Mars is retrograde in the 1st or 6th house?

Jeffrey: That would be accentuated with Mars retrograde in the 4th or 8th houses, or in Scorpio or Cancer.

Audience: What if the Mars is in a mental sign in a mental house?

Jeffrey: There would be all kinds of verbal arguments relative to the collision of wills.

Audience: Like Mars in Gemini in the 7th house?

Jeffrey: Yes.

So the key in understanding Mars retrograde is that inverts the consciousness of the Soul so that it can determine the cause, the why, of any given desire that the Soul has. As a result, the Soul, when Mars is retrograde, is desiring to eliminate all unnecessary desires that have nothing to do with what the Soul needs by way of its ongoing evolutionary journey. And this includes inverting the natural sexual energy of the Soul: to determine the reason, or the why, of any given sexual desire that is perceived as a need. When Mars goes retrograde by way of a transit or progression this same need to determine these reasons, the why, of any given desire that has lead to the creation of its life to date, including sexual desires, occurs.

As a result, the Soul will desire to eliminate or change anything in its life that no longer has anything to do with what the Soul actually needs to continue on its evolutionary journey. In the process of eliminating anything that has lead to the Soul's current state of reality the Soul will reflect on exactly what it does need, what it does desire, to move forwards on that journey. Thus, this can be a time of creating new and intensified desires to that end. And the Soul, via its will, Mars, will demand the freedom to so actualize those desires. In many, many ways when Mars goes retrograde through transit or progression it correlates to a time of Soul renewal because of this. When Mars is retrograde it points back to the Soul itself: Pluto.

 
                                                    JUPITER RETROGRADE

Jupiter is interesting to have retrograde. From an evolutionary point of view, the individual must eliminate all belief structures that it has accumulated over a period of many lifetimes in order to arrive at an individualized belief system, philosophical principals, abstracts, or cosmological views which are wholly arrived at, and defined, by itself. 

This then places a premium on the intuitive development of the Souls nature. This is Jupiter retrograde. It creates a focus upon the right brain. As a result, these people's belief structures tend to be redefined or adjusted throughout their lives with respect to learning strategies, to which Jupiter correlates, which have to be highly tailored to reflect the individual reality of the Soul.

As in Mercury retrograde if this is not done, the person has a very hard time assimilating, accepting, or taking in new abstract principles. Sometimes, with Jupiter retrograde, depending on the evolutionary condition of the Soul, some individuals can find it extremely difficult to find linear words, logical sentence structure, to express what they are conceptualizing or intuiting. They can commonly have a psychology of inferiority relative to communication skills with respect to what they know.

Audience: It would be more prevalent in a left brain society such as ours.

Jeffrey: Exactly. 

As a result, some of these people won't communicate even at times that they ought to communicate because of the imposed or learned inferiority. Linked with anatomy, some of these people have thyroid and pituitary issues. The thyroid is ruled by Jupiter, and the pituitary is co-ruled by Jupiter and Saturn. The pituitary is linked with the growth and decay of the entire organism: the master gland. The thyroid correlates to what you can assimilate on a nutritional level. It is not uncommon for these people to have an assimilation problem relative to the thyroid, and can have some degree of difficulty or disruption relative to the pituitary in terms of the ability to regulate the growth and decay of the organism. For example, commonly, people with Jupiter retrograde have a lack of iodine in their system which is critical to the thyroid and its ability to assimilate the nutrients that are put in the body. This can then lead to people who are very thin, and/or the opposite: very, very fat.

When Jupiter goes retrograde through transit, for all of us then all of these processes are afoot. For example, when Jupiter goes retrograde through transit in the natal chart that is an area where you can be taking a new look at: a new view. One of the correlative functions of Jupiter is to interpret phenomenal reality, and thus by way of interpretation, generate meaning. But the interpretation is based on the totality of your subjective reality which, itself, is a composite of exiting beliefs which then determines how you interpret phenomenal reality in general, and your own life, reality, specifically. 

So let's say this occurs in your 6th house. This is the area that you will then be taking a new look at. And that can include your body, your physical health. This will then create a focus within your consciousness that creates an awareness of your body that leads to what needs to be adjusted in order to sustain physical well being. If the body is physically suffering in some way at that time it then leads to the awareness of what you need to change, of what to do, in order for it to be healthy again.

This transit will create an awareness within your consciousness of anything that needs to be adjusted, of that which leads to self improvement, relative to how you have been responding to the various elements in your overall reality including work, strategies of personal improvement which are based on the need to redefine, to interpret differently. It will make you look at the issues pertaining to the 6th house differently. And this will be true of the Jupiter retrograde transit in any house or sign that it is in. As a result, you have of expansion of your consciousness through redefinition.

Audience: Is the main difference between Jupiter retrograde, and Mercury retrograde the intuitive emphasis?

Jeffrey: Yes. Mercury is specific to how you logically order your reality in a very linear way: a, b, c, d. Jupiter is how you are putting together your reality abstractly, conceptually, based on principles which become the basis of the specific words that you use to describe your reality.

Audience: What is the difference in learning difficulty?

Jeffrey: Mercury is concerned with collecting information and logically connecting that information in order to build a whole out of it. That does not mean, of itself, understanding the meaning of it, the conceptual basis of it, the beliefs that have led to the logical ordering of the information itself. The information that Mercury is orienting to is specific to its personal needs which excludes any other level of information when it is retrograde. Jupiter retrograde desires to understand, needs to understand, the conceptual, abstract, basis of anything. It needs to understand the nature of beliefs themselves as beliefs lead to how phenomenal reality is then logically ordered because of the nature of whatever beliefs. If the Jupiter retrograde person can not understand, or accept, the abstract or conceptual basis of the information that it is subjected to then a disconnect happens in its right brain. And that disconnect then tunes out the information that is coming into it.

Audience: So, if you have both retrograde?

Jeffrey: You have both processes working. And from an evolutionary point of view it then becomes essential to understand why the Soul has those archetypes both retrograde. It becomes essential to understanding such a Soul so that any projections upon it in terms of how that Soul goes about learning what it needs to learn for its own evolutionary purposes. If the Soul is aligned with the information that it is taking in, and the conceptual basis for it, then such a Soul can be one of the best learners of all. They can take in vast amounts of information very rapidly, assimilate it, and continue to move on at rates that others simply can not do. There would be the very essence of a photographic memory then. All is remembered. Almost nothing is ever forgotten. Conversely, if the Soul is not aligned with the information that it is being subjected too, does not understand the conceptual basis for that information, then it can certainly create the appearance of learning almost nothing. Such a Soul will be tuned into itself, allowing for imagination, daydreams, random ponderings about whatever, simply starring into the sky, or the wave, or the Moon, etc to induce what it feels it needs to know.

Audience: I have Jupiter retrograde ruling Sagittarius rising. Does that accentuate the whole redefinition thing more?

Jeffrey: Yes. Because your planetary ruler is retrograde. So, that colors the entire chart, conditions the entire chart. Everything in the chart comes through the ascendant, so if the ruler of that ascendant is retrograde that is why throughout your life nothing will ever seem quite right, or completely right. There is a relationship between the 9th house and the 1st house in terms of how you are trying to understand your specific sense of identity, your individuality. It is going to have to have these cosmological wrappings which set in motion the existential search for truth which is perpetually being refined and/or redefined. Perpetually.

What happens with Jupiter retrograde at an oblique level like this, meaning because Jupiter retrograde is the ruler of your ascendant it is making your entire chart retrograde because the entire chart is coming through your ascendant, is that is creates an evolution wherein you will develop a healthy respect for individual differences, cultural differences, belief pattern differences versus the need to convince and convert. And that is because there is such an emphasis on developing your own individuality.

Audience: With Jupiter retrograde in the 1st house, and Sagittarius on the 3rd house, would that also emphasize that?

Jeffrey: Yes. It would typically represent a tremendous degree of switching from the left to the right brains or visa versa. The 3rd house correlates to the left brain, and Sagittarius and Jupiter to the house of the right brain. It could be integrated to a total degree, but that integration is based on where the person finally decides to place the emphasis in their thinking processes. Are they going to allow the intellect to lead the intuition, or are they going to allow the intuition to lead the intellect? The answer with Jupiter retrograde in the 1st house, with Sagittarius on the 3rd house cusp, is to let the intuition to lead the intellect, not the other way around.

When Jupiter is retrograde at birth many of these Souls will feel as if they are always lacking something because of how they take in information. Sadly, many will then compensate for this lack. Compensation in astrology correlates to Jupiter, Sagittarius, and the 9th house. Thus, many will compensate for their perceived sense of lack by attempting to be like everyone else. They can attempt to latch onto the prevailing beliefs of the society of birth in order to feel like they fit so that they can be like everyone else. They can attempt to buy into the latest fad, of the most groovy thing to do as defined by most others around it. When this happens such Souls then create a living lie because they are not any of that. As evolutionary astrologers, when you see this in one of your clients, it is imperative that you help them try to see this act of compensation leading to the living lie. And, within that, to help them come back to their own natures, of that which they are that requires an independent examination of themselves. In turn, this can then lead to developing a life that honors their own specific individuality no matter if it does not look like anyone else's reality. As a result, they will be living their own truth.

Hi Everyone,

Rad how do Jupiter retro Souls or oblique retro Souls know what's right for them if nothing ever feels right? I personally know this Feeling Well and I actually knew someone who has Jupiter retro and almost all their planets retro and they actually had the word "Unsatisfied" tattooed down there whole forearm. Talk about saying it all right!
So when there is this feeling of nothing ever being quite right how do they know then what is the right answer for them in anything they do? Is this not feeling quite right to keep pushing them to follow their intuitive functions?

Thank you,

Heather

Hi Heather,

"Rad how do Jupiter retro Souls or oblique retro Souls know what's right for them if nothing ever feels right?"

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The underlying dynamic here, relative to Jupiter being retro, is a core sense of Soul alienation where that alienation is created by the Soul in it's ongoing evolution in order to accelerate it's evolution: what constitutes REAL MEANING. Depending on the specific evolutionary condition of any given Soul it then the determinant for what that real meaning is relative to the rest of the birth chart starting with the Pluto paradigm itself.

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"I personally know this Feeling Well and I actually knew someone who has Jupiter retro and almost all their planets retro and they actually had the word "Unsatisfied" tattooed down there whole forearm. Talk about saying it all right! So when there is this feeling of nothing ever being quite right how do they know then what is the right answer for them in anything they do? Is this not feeling quite right to keep pushing them to follow their intuitive functions?

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Yes relative to what constitutes the real meaning for the life they are living.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank you

Heather

                                                  SATURN RETROGRADE

Here we are going to have an individual, evolutionarily and karmically speaking, who needs to define their own sense of personal authority, structural reality, and ways of integrating into their culture as determined, Saturn, by them. Saturn correlates with consensus norms, customs, taboos, social regulations, and laws equaling consensus of any given society. In turn this then generates pressure from the consensus to any individual to conform so that the consensus can feel continuously secure within itself.

Saturn retrograde says "no, I am not going to do this", "I will do it in my own way, thank you". In other words, Saturn retrograde people must define, Saturn, their own laws, regulations, customs, taboos, and how they go about integrating themselves into the society of birth that honors who they are as individuals. The foundations of their circumstantial and inner reality cyclically or perpetually will change depending on the house, i.e. mutable, fixed, cardinal, or the sign that the Saturn is in and the aspects that it is making. 

When Saturn retrograde people are born through parents who encourage individuality they will have no problem with those type of parents. In fact, they will have a healthy respect for such parents even if their own individual reality is diametrically opposed the reality of the parents. Conversely, if they come through parents in which one or both of the parents are authoritarian types, then there is going to be a problem. This is going to be a clash of authority. Of course, from an evolutionary and karmic point of view, it is essential of course to determine why any of us are born through the types of families that we are. And, at the same time, when we become parents it is essential that we understand the karmic and evolutionary reasons that we have the types of children that we have.

Saturn retrograde people will be very introspective type Souls. They are highly reflective. The very nature of this reflection is to examine the nature of their reality at any point in time. The intent in such examination is to determine, Saturn, what needs to be changed in their reality so that growth can occur, what existing dynamics may be in place that are causing some kind of problem or difficulty in their life, to become aware of the need to change something in their life that is preventing growth and/or new impulses that will allow them to grow or change. In turn this then causes them to become aware of what needs to change in their existing reality so that that growth can be accommodated.

Saturn retrograde Souls naturally brood. Brooding is very different than depression. This occurs because Saturn retrograde simply can not buy into what the mainstream of a society is calling "˜reality'. These people need to define a structural reality that is unique to them.  As a result, these people tend to question the consensus in terms of what constitutes real meaning in their lives, what is actually important, and which in not important. This then creates a gulf between them and consensus society in which most people live. The brooding and withdrawal is then necessary for them to do because it can lead to an inner awareness of what they can do for themselves that will create that sense of meaning, of what does feel important for them to do as individuals.

So, if the Saturn retrograde person is living with a certain kind of partner who interprets this withdrawal as threatening to the relationship it will cause that partner to issue all kinds of judgments and conclusions about the Saturn retrograde person. And, of course, those judgments and conclusions will all be wrong because they are all based on a reality within the partner that is being projected onto the Saturn retrograde person. These kinds of assertive and projected judgments will only have the effect of driving the Saturn retrograde person more deeply into themselves, of deepening the introspection and withdrawal itself. If this kind of pattern goes on long enough in such a relationship the Saturn retrograde person will then simply feel like they are going through the motions of the relationship versus being in that relationship.

The bottom line is that Saturn retrograde simply can not buy into what the mainstream is calling reality. They need to define a structural reality that is unique to them. In certain kinds of evolutionary conditions it can create a type of psychology in which they never feel like they fit into anything, that they never belong, even when they have a functional life in place that includes work, relationships, friends all of which has some meaning for them. They just don't feel like they belong to any of this. And this then creates the inner sense of just going through the motions of life itself without making any kind of total connection to it. This then creates this inner haunting feeling of social aloneness. It adds to the cyclic of perpetual brooding and reflection. It creates a strange feeling of "˜mourning' for life itself. I remember reading a play by Anton Chekhov called The Seagull. In this book there was a woman who was always dressed in black. One day a person came up to this woman and asked why she always wore black. And her answer, a perfect Saturn retrograde answer, was "I am in mourning for my life".

Audience: There seems to be an alienation either internally or externally. People are doing socially approved things but they just don't feel that they fit in. They have no meaning. Or they are doing what has meaning in their life and other people are thinking that they are absolutely crazy.

Audience: I have experienced that but a little different. You can play the game that the traditional society is involved in, like being involved in a group and going along with it, but at the same time there is this feeling of not really being accepted by the group even though you haven't really done anything to offset it. You know that you have a feeling of not really belonging, but you also have that feeling that the others aren't really accepting you.

Jeffrey: What that is based on is the natural instinctual vibration of your Soul. Keep in mind that your Soul intends for you to make these redefinitions, of a necessary withdrawal from the consensus, in order to individuate yourself. This then creates your own unique vibration that emanates from your Soul. You are not really aware of it but the vibration creates the effect in order to induce the intent. That is what Saturn retrograde people fail to realize. Then they feel that they are feeling ostracized or falsely judged behind their backs. This is a common experience for Saturn retrograde Souls.

Audience: That's really true until you realize what is going on. But when you also realize that when you define your reality in such a way as to make a career that is reflective of you, and to structure yourself into society in such a way that it is reflective of you, then you will attract people that reflect that and then you feel complete acceptance.

Audience: That's true. Sometimes you can't change the whole structure so you find something different.

Audience: Saturn, as the most structured and crystallized of all the planets, is the most difficult, to change with respect to its reality. I think that the most common results would be to either feel spiritually bankrupt, and to go along with society, because it needs Uranus and Mars to work with it: to really break out of it because it is so structured.

Jeffrey: Again, it depends on the condition of the Soul. If it is in a consensus state, and the Saturn is retrograde, it is going to have a problem and it will typically compensate by creating the appearance of normalcy. If it is in the individuated state, and firmly into it, then it actually gets off at thumbing its nose at the system. So, it depends on the evolutionary state. Also, when you find Saturn retrograde in charts, from a family lineage point of view (that is one of the linkages of Saturn - family lineage), it is most common that the Saturn retrograde offspring will be more evolved than the parents.

Audience: If somebody was in a consensus mode and they were compensating, it would lead to sickness would it not over a period of time?

Jeffrey: Yes. Because of repressing the evolutionary intent. It will initially manifest as structural problems in the skeleton. One of the common symptoms is arthritis. That can degenerate into immune system problems relative to B and T cells being given false instructions by way of the thymus gland. Then it gets more severe. For example, once you have that, it can lead into leukemia for example, or a change in the red/white blood cell counts.

Audience: Could that also be someone who has Saturn/Uranus conjunct?

Jeffrey: That would emphasize it. The Saturn retrograde is virtually pointing to Uranus, the door is open to Uranus. From the point of view of consciousness Saturn correlates to the parameters of what you are consciously aware: the threshold of the unconscious. So the immediate sphere of the unconscious is the individuated unconscious, and Saturn is pointing to that: Uranus.

Uranus, of course, relative to the individuated unconscious, contains three specific forms of information. That which you suppress by way of Saturn: what you don't want to deal with or refuse to deal with. It correlates, in total detail, to memories of this and all prior lives. This is why Uranus correlates with long term memory whereas Mercury is our short term memory. And it correlates to abstract information which pertains to your larger, freer future. So, this is why Saturn and Uranus are inherently antithetical to each other. The bottom line is that Uranus is forever trying to revolutionize the crystallized structures of the Saturnian reality. Uranus, of itself, places a premium on individuality, a de-conditioned Soul that is only defined by its own unique nature. In Buddhist terms what is called the "˜diamond nature'.

So, when you have Saturn pointing to Uranus, well, guess what? This natural threshold or barrier of the consciousness defined by Saturn retrograde is not very strong. This means that unconscious content is either perpetually or cyclically penetrating the consciousness of the Saturn retrograde Soul.

Audience: If the repression in a family exists and causes emotional troubles, the Saturn would not want to be part of it. I have Saturn retrograde and I had to go back to live with my parents for a while. I had to give up everything I had studied and knew in order to relate to them, but it imprisoned me for several months. Of course, I have Saturn in the twelfth, so I really felt like I was in prison. So it is interesting to hear anybody else's comments if they went through anything sort of similar to that. It almost caused a nervous or emotional breakdown. It almost got there but I got out of there in time to offset that. So now, it is nice to have freedom! I can think the way I want and have no problems, no repression.

Audience: Can you say anything about repeating with the same parents, repeating or reliving with those same people?

Jeffrey: Yes, with Saturn retrograde it typically correlates with the need to repeat or relive other lifetimes with one or both parents in which something was not finished or resolved. And, of course, that is the intent in order to resolve that which was not resolved before.

Audience: Is anything excluded from the collective unconscious that is in the individuated unconscious?

Jeffrey: Yes. Everything is interlinked, obviously, but the individuated unconscious is its own dynamic. It is content that is unique to you as an entity. The collective unconscious is content that is unique to the entire species: Neptune.

Hi Rad,

Could Saturn in Aquarius individuals have similar experiences to Saturn retrograde?

Thank you for sharning this knowledge.

All the best,

LAS

Hi LAS,

When the individuated state, and beyond, of evolution has been reached by a Soul then the answer is yes. This can also happen with the natural ruler of Aquarius, Uranus, is retrograde and that is then the ruler of Saturn in Aquarius.

God Bless, Rad

Thank you Rad.

                                                   URANUS RETROGRADE        
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So, Saturn retrograde points towards Uranus which really means an emphasis on freedom, and individually to define your own structural reality circumstantially, and internally, that reflects your individuality. When you have it pointing towards Uranus it point towards archetypical rebellion. Rebellion towards what? Anybody telling you what to do or how to do it. It places an emphasis on the need to experiment with reality structures, different forms of, in order to determine through experimentation that which is most reflective of you. Or to at least to inwardly contemplate different possibilities, to reflect upon them, to brood if necessary.

When Uranus is retrograde, this is now pointing toward Neptune, isn't it?  So, Uranus retrograde emphasizes the Uranian archetype with respect to the emphasis upon individualization or individuation. Individuation correlates with the archetype of Uranus. There is a prevailing European esoteric thought form which states that you are not an individual until you do liberate from the consensus. Until then you are simply called a "˜person'.

Audience: In some cultures, you take the name of the father until you mature and then you take your own name.

Jeffrey: That's why last names are commonly linked with social function. That is the actual origin of family names. You have to keep in mind that throughout most of human history one social function is passed on from one family member to the next. It was inherited, Saturn, thus family names have their origin in a social function.

Audience: Unless someone is born with Saturn retrograde.

Jeffrey: So, the retrograde emphasizes that side of Uranus because Uranus is that part in all human beings that makes us feel different than the next person. Every human being on Earth has a feeling of being a little bit different than the next one. The clearest demonstration of that is your physical appearance that equals your self-image. But, the feeling of being different can be emphasized: how different do you feel?  

The most common denominator in all charts is to have Aquarius somewhere, Uranus somewhere, and a sign on your 11th house cusp. That occurs in all charts. Thus in every human being there is this archetypical linkage to feeling different. But how much is it emphasized, how many planets do you have in Aquarius, how much is in the 11th house, how many aspects to Uranus. This determines emphasis. So, relative to compensation, Uranus retrograde people may feel socially insecure relative to feeling different from everybody. This can lead into conforming or bonding with a segment of your overall peer group in order to feel socially accepted and secure: thus individually secure. Uranus retrograde people, as a result, tend to have to be a group of one. When responded to archetypically, these people are not group joiners. If they join at all, it will be a bunch of other mavericks who are honoring individuality, not dogma. Uranus does correlate to how whole groupings of people put themselves together in the context of the whole of a society.You can have a conservative grouping, or a progressive grouping, or a status-quo grouping of peoples. Within these groupings individuals make friends with others of like mind: Uranus. We tend to bond with others of like mind in order to feel secure not only within ourselves, but of course within the overall context of the society of birth so that we don't feel completely alone. When Uranus is retrograde at birth this will correlate to a Soul who intends to repeat or relive certain friendships from other lifetimes in which something was not resolved or finished. Within that intent lies the fact that such Souls also desire to reconnect, retrograde, to certain Souls that they have been traveling with for many, many lifetimes in which the intent is to simply carry on with one another.

Uranus retrograde emphasizes and creates all kinds of mental thought forms that occur in the consciousness of their own volition; thought forms that implicate and symbolize a larger and freer future. And that is because Uranus correlates to the Soul's inner blueprint for its evolutionary future and needs. Thus, these types of thoughts that symbolize the future percolate up from the individuated unconscious through the door of Saturn where Saturn correlates to the structural boundary of what we are consciously aware of at any point in time. It is the natural boundary between our subjective consciousness in any given life, and our individuated unconscious that correlates by way of long term memory to all of our prior life memories, and contains the blueprint from within the Soul that correlates to our evolutionary future.

Typically, relative to most people, seventy percent, these ideas go un-acted upon. They are left as mental considerations only, and thus generate frustration because the person can glimpse different possibilities and yet, relative to the fear and insecurity linked with aloneness, they go un-acted upon. The message in the Uranus retrograde is to act, to act upon such messages. But the key is to only act on the ones that are repeating themselves: the ones that won"˜t go away. The ones that appear one or two times are typically ahead of their time which is one of the problems with Uranus. The thoughts keep reappearing over and over are the ones to take action upon. They will typically symbolize the next five to seven years of the Soul's life to come if acted upon. These thoughts are only a problem when they are not acted upon. So, as a result of Uranus being retrograde, it is either cyclically or perpetually releasing into your consciousness the unconscious content that is unique to yourself.  

That content will contain three dimensions. One is what we are discussing now: the thoughts that correlate to the Soul's larger, freer future that reflects the evolutionary intentions within the Soul. It also contains the content of that which we repress by way of the Saturn archetype. That which we repress can be all kinds of things. It can be anything that makes us feel insecure about ourselves, things that make us feel uncomfortable about ourselves for whatever reasons, parts of our individual history that we want to run from and/ or do not want anyone else to ever know about us, and memories of a traumatic nature that are repressed in order to create a sense of psychological stability because the nature of the trauma, or traumas, are so severe that it would lead to that instability until they are addressed: healed in some way. Uranus also contains the content, again, of all our memories from this and other lifetimes: the long term memory. This also correlates to the memories from this life that have been consciously forgotten. How many can remember in total detail, for example, what one did on a certain date ten years ago? Not too many can consciously recall such a thing and yet that memory is within us: Uranus.

When Uranus is retrograde in the natal chart this will correlate with a Soul in which all the dimensions of the individuate unconscious will surface into the individual's conscious awareness on a perpetual or cyclic basis throughout their life. The intent in this is for the Soul to review, retrograde, such content in order to learn from it over and over so as to be able to apply it to the ongoing reality, Saturn, of itself. And the intent in such application is to accelerate the evolutionary process of individuation. The intent is to learn from the past as such memories surface into their conscious awareness over and over, and then to not duplicate the past where that past is understood to be slowing down the evolutionary development of the Soul into its future. As the ideas surface into the Soul's conscious awareness by way of Saturn that correlate to its larger, freer, future that become repetitive, retrograde, the Uranus retrograde Soul will naturally desire to take action upon them. And, in so doing, they will then accelerate their own evolutionary development.

One of the most difficult correlations of Uranus, Aquarius, and the 11th house is that of trauma. When Uranus is retrograde at birth this will typically correlate to a Soul who has experienced various kinds of traumas that remain unresolved within the Soul. When a trauma that has been experienced by the Soul remains unresolved this then correlates in varying degrees of intensity to the phenomena of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. As a result of this every aspect of the Soul's life will be affected by this unresolved trauma, or traumas. When this is the case then any manner of circumstances that the Soul creates for itself can trigger this PTSD. When this occurs the behavioral response is very disproportionate to the actual circumstance at hand that has triggered the PTSD. The core affect of PTSD is a fundamental disconnect manifesting as detachment from almost all of life conditions, or situations.

When Uranus is retrograde at birth the Soul intends to resolve this ongoing affect of the PTSD that has been carried forwards into the current life from the life in which the trauma, or traumas, took place. Because of this intent the Soul will perpetually or cyclically release fragments of the memories associated with the trauma or traumas into the conscious awareness of the individual so as to relive, retrograde, the trauma or traumas in the current life: reliving in the sense of remembering them. In some cases this intent to relive in order to heal and move on from the trauma, or traumas, actually manifests in the Soul as recreating in some form the original trauma that took place in the context of the current life.

When this is the case the intent, the reason why, is the same: to heal them so that the Soul can move forwards in its evolution. Until that is done one of the affects, evolutionarily speaking, is keep the Soul "˜marking time': frozen in such a way that the Soul can not move forwards. If you are counseling such Souls, or if this is your own situation, it is important to understand that the only real healing that can take place is when the Soul is able to determine the reasons, or the why, of the need of creating such a trauma, or traumas, to itself in the first place. This of course correlates with the Saturn lesson of learning how to accept the responsibility in our own actions, versus feeling like a victim to them. One of the great things about Evolutionary Astrology is that is allows for an awareness of the actual reasons or causes of anything, including why any of us need to create various kinds of traumas.

When Uranus goes retrograde through transit and/or progression then this will correlate with a time in which that content held in the individuated unconscious percolates into the awareness of the individual. And, at those times, it becomes an evolutionary imperative to act upon that information in order for real evolutionary growth to occur. As a result of this imperative the individual will suddenly begin to feel a detachment from their existing reality in every way. This detachment is necessary for it then allows for an objectification of their life conditions to take place. The detachment is essential for this to occur because it removes the Soul from the emotional dynamics that keep it bound to those conditions. Thus, by detaching from the emotional binds that keep it attached the Soul is then allowed to objectify its reality in every way which, in turn, allows for an awareness to take place that shows the Soul how to make the necessary changes in it's life for real growth, evolution to occur.

Going back to where we started when Uranus is retrograde at birth it is pointing towards Neptune. In combination this creates a core alienation from the reality of Earth itself, of societies in general, from any sense of meaning for life that is defined by the majority of people on Earth, and thus gives rise to the inner questioning within the Soul of that which does constitute meaning: lasting meaning for life. Neptune correlates with the ultimate meaning about what life is, and is not. This is why it correlates, among other correlations, to Spirit, and the search for our Creator: God/ess.

Uranus retrograde natally correlates with Souls that are fundamentally detached from life itself, detached even from themselves: it is as if the Soul is constantly observing itself, and not being truly engaged in anyway from within itself, or life itself. The actual intent in this is for the Soul to view itself, and everything else, without any emotional linkages so that it can objectify itself. The intent is such objectification is SELF-KNOWLEDGE, and knowledge about everything else that is not colored or conditioned by emotional attachment. As a result of this kind of evolutionary process the Soul then can become aware of exactly what it needs to do in order for its own evolution to proceed, and what any life condition needs in order for those conditions themselves to change so that growth can occur.

Hi Everyone,

Rad In EA there is a lot of talk about evolution or spiritual growth or Soul growth only really happening through the emotional body. Yet Uranus retro means to detach from the emotions yet it also means one is trying to recall  unresolved traumas which seems to me could  only be recalled and resolved through feeling the emotions and emotional body?

Rad also Uranus is the messages that come to us for Soul growth and we are to pay attention to repeating messages and follow them. Is it possible that we can completely miss read the message or that the messages arent clear or interpreted correctly?
I ask because for an example ever since Uranus went into Taurus everyone I know has been bitten by the real estate bug... Everyone I know are all thinking of buying a house or actually in the process of buying a house or property. Yet I can't help but feel like that's not what Uranus in Taurus is signaling? I mean maybe for some maybe for the consensus? I feel like Uranus In Taurus means to get in touch with your inner values your inner resources not obtain or collect resources, is this right? Then you look at the t-square to the Nodes  and the Uranus in Taurus message would be something like get in touch with these inner resources and through square to the south node in Aquarius and mars on the south node in Aquarius don't compromise your personal values dont conform to others values?  Then  the square to the north node in Leo means to creatively actualize your inner values your inner gifts? The opposition of the nodes means to share your gifts with others, creatively actualize for other for society?  So to me it feels like the message is to become self reliant so effect survival through your own inner values and gifts. Yet I feel like a lot of people are working on obtaining property? Can you say something about this because it's a collective message if everyone I know is thinking house/property...

Thank you,

Heather

Hi Rad,

Can you explain the meaning of stationary retrograde and stationary direct as it applies to EA interpretations? Is there a difference between being born with a retrograde and a stationary retrograde? And lastly, how does a stationary direct apply to the individual differently? Is it still under the influence of the retrograde?

Thank you,
Sunyata

Hi Sunyata,

The stationary retrograde correlates to a whole cycle, lifetimes, of the retrograde archetype coming to a head. As such it has an extra intensification of the retrograde archetype in order to bring that cycle to a close. The stationary direct correlates to the Soul passing through, evolving, the stationary retrograde in such a way that it is now ready to begin to act upon a new cycle in which all that was learned during the retrograde cycle that came to a head at the stationary retrograde in the current life. And beyond. The Soul is no longer needing to repeat the dynamics that were occurring within it during the retrograde cycle even as the realizations and lessons learned during that cycle ARE NOW APPLIED to the current life being lived. 

God Bless, Rad

Hi Heather,

"Rad In EA there is a lot of talk about evolution or spiritual growth or Soul growth only really happening through the emotional body. Yet Uranus retro means to detach from the emotions yet it also means one is trying to recall  unresolved traumas which seems to me could  only be recalled and resolved through feeling the emotions and emotional body?"

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One of the archetypes of Uranus is to objectify anything including it's own reality including it's emotional dynamics. This can only happen by detaching from whatever the Soul is trying to objectify: to remove the emotional/psychological reactions to whatever the Soul is focusing on in order to objectify. Of itself this then means the Soul is PARADOXICALLY and SIMULTANEOUSLY experiencing it's own emotional/psychological reactions to whatever it is focusing upon while AT THE TIME detaching from them in order to objectify those emotional/ psychological reactions.

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"Rad also Uranus is the messages that come to us for Soul growth and we are to pay attention to repeating messages and follow them. Is it possible that we can completely miss read the message or that the messages arent clear or interpreted correctly?"

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As above the Soul intends to objectify anything including the repeating  messages that correlate with it's own future directions and decisions that are  generated by the Soul as repeating messages. The messages that are true, versus delusions, will repeat and repeat and repeat until the Soul acts upon them. Is is the ongoing repetition itself that allows for the objectification of them to take place in order to make the decisions that allow the Soul to move forwards and evolve.

These messages can be misunderstood it not allowed to repeat enough: to act upon them to quickly.


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I ask because for an example ever since Uranus went into Taurus everyone I know has been bitten by the real estate bug... Everyone I know are all thinking of buying a house or actually in the process of buying a house or property. Yet I can't help but feel like that's not what Uranus in Taurus is signaling? I mean maybe for some maybe for the consensus? I feel like Uranus In Taurus means to get in touch with your inner values your inner resources not obtain or collect resources, is this right? Then you look at the t-square to the Nodes  and the Uranus in Taurus message would be something like get in touch with these inner resources and through square to the south node in Aquarius and mars on the south node in Aquarius don't compromise your personal values dont conform to others values?  Then  the square to the north node in Leo means to creatively actualize your inner values your inner gifts? The opposition of the nodes means to share your gifts with others, creatively actualize for other for society?  So to me it feels like the message is to become self reliant so effect survival through your own inner values and gifts. Yet I feel like a lot of people are working on obtaining property? Can you say something about this because it's a collective message if everyone I know is thinking house/property..

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All Soul's have their individual evolutionary/karmic context that starts with the four natural evolutionary conditions of the Soul.  It is that individual context through which to understand how any given Soul responds archetypically to the transits of anything including the movement of Uranus going into Taurus, squaring the transiting Nodal Axis. Your own response as shared reflects your Soul's context Heather.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank you for your first explanation because that really helped me, I have been a little confused about the detachment of Uranus and emotional evolution. That makes perfect sense and that is actually quite an amazing attribute of the Uranus/Aquarius archetype. Thank you!

In your other responses Just to clarify, Are you saying that my interpretation of Uranus square the Nodes doesnt apply to all because of evolutionary station and where one is at in that development?

So Uranus in Taurus means to liberate through self reliance? For many this self reliance could mean having their own property  or their own house or living alone?

Thank you for explaining things to me, it really is helpful.

Heather

Hi everyone,

Can I ask how long a planet is stationary retrograde in terms of intensification; what is the orb for stationary retrograde? if there is one................

Does this mean an intensification of the Neptune principle, and is the first manifestation of this seeded in the detachment/paradox phenomena that Uranus correlates too?

Also whats the orb used for oblique planets i.e Uranus at 7 Scorpio Retro, Moon 15, node 16, are my moon and node classed as oblique given Uranus is retro?  Maybe not, given that uranus is moving away from the moon....what if uranus was moving back towards another planet? would that change anything?

do retrograde planets influence Asc/MH et al?

Also with a saturn retrograde, would that intensify the 10th house?

Rad, are you going to post anything regarding the nodes? specifically stationary nodes? which I think I have read also bring an intensification... think I have nodes direct and I certainly haven't had clear direction regarding my career or social role.......

When I read the Venus retrograde section it reminded me of my own Venus nature, which is in Aquarius. I think Rad has addressed this with the Uranus connection to individuated souls....

Thanks

Maranatha

Hi Heather

"In your other responses Just to clarify, Are you saying that my interpretation of Uranus square the Nodes doesnt apply to all because of evolutionary station and where one is at in that development?"

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The archetypes you identified are indeed correct for Uranus squaring the Nodes. What I was saying is that it is the individual evolutionary and karmic conditions that are the determininent of how these archetypes are actualized.

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"So Uranus in Taurus means to liberate through self reliance? For many this self reliance could mean having their own property  or their own house or living alone?"

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Yes, one of the archetypes of Taurus is self reliance which could mean having their own property or house, and living alone. Living alone is not a requirement is not necessary to be self reliant however. Self reliance is rooted in the Soul's inner relationship to itself where it depends on it's needs from within itself.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Goldleaf,

"Can I ask how long a planet is stationary direct in terms of intensification; is it while its on the same degree at the change?"

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A planet is direct for one day at the day/ degree this takes place.

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"I think I have Uranus stationary direct!! Does this mean an intensification of the Neptune principle?"

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No.

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"Also whats the orb for oblique planets i.e Uranus at 7 Scorpio Retro, Moon 15, node 16, are my moon and node classed as oblique given Uranus is stationary direct?"

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The orbs are the same as for aspects in general. Yes, to your Moon, Node being oblique to your retro Uranus

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"Also with a saturn retrograde, would that intensify the 10th house?"

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No.

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"Rad, are you going to post anything regarding the nodes? specifically stationary nodes? which I think I have read are an intensification."

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I don't know right  now about that.

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God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank you very much....

Heather

Great thanks Rad

Maranatha

Quote from: Rad on Jul 29, 2018, 07:59 AM
Hi Goldleaf,

"Can I ask how long a planet is stationary direct in terms of intensification; is it while its on the same degree at the change?"

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A planet is direct for one day at the day/ degree this takes place.

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Hi Rad,

Thank you for your answer about stationary direct and stationary retrograde. I was hoping to clarify this above quote and just to make sure I am reading it correctly. In this example below where on the highlighted days on the 18th Saturn goes direct and Uranus goes retrograde, are you saying that the Saturn would be stationary direct on that day only and Uranus would be stationary Rx on that day only even though they have been transitioning at the same degree and minute for a handful of days.... is that right?

Thank you,
Sunyata


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Hi Sunyatta,

No, for the duration, days that any planet it as the SAME DEGREE when it is direct or stationary is the amount of days that is so. When I said that one day thing I was thinking of Mercury and Venus which is typically one day at the exact degree for when then occurs. Anyway, it is the duration of days that correlates to this for any given planet.

God Bless, Rad

Hi all,
Sunyatta thanks for clarifying that......

Rad, So you mention that a stationary retrograde is in a gestational period.....wondered if anymore could be said about that? Is the Uranian impulse/material up for review and redo still unconscious?

Regarding oblique moons; would the need for complete inner self reliance be happening on an instinctual level with a conjunction to Uranus retrograde; traumatic situations appearing out of thin air?

My natal north node is direct (true node, if that's correct) and is involved with my oblique moon....this imagery is very confusing...I wondered if this is a common phenomena and if you could make shed some light on it? or now where to find something...

Thanks

Maranatha

Thank you Rad

Hi GoldLeaf,

Rad, So you mention that a stationary retrograde is in a gestational period.....wondered if anymore could be said about that? Is the Uranian impulse/material up for review and redo still unconscious?

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This is what I said: "The stationary retrograde correlates to a whole cycle, lifetimes, of the retrograde archetype coming to a head. As such it has an extra intensification of the retrograde archetype in order to bring that cycle to a close."

There is no gestational period involved in this at all. And all the material that has come to a head, i.e. all the Soul dynamics that have caused this or that, is sub-conscious relative to the long term memories that correlate with Uranus. This subconscious long term memories are triggered, thus made conscious, way of the circumstances the Soul creates in it's life when the Uranus is stationary retrograde. In this way the Soul then is constantly reflecting/ understanding on what has been learned during the retrograde cycle itself, and is preparing to act when Uranus becomes stationary direct.

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"Regarding oblique moons; would the need for complete inner self reliance be happening on an instinctual level with a conjunction to Uranus retrograde; traumatic situations appearing out of thin air?"

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Yes and that self reliance is a function of becoming inwardly emotionally secure within itself: to become psychologically/emotionally secure from within itself.

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"My natal north node is direct (true node, if that's correct) and is involved with my oblique moon....this imagery is very confusing...I wondered if this is a common phenomena and if you could make shed some light on it? or now where to find something..."

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The entire chart must be understood starting with the Pluto paradigm in order to know how and why such symbols have been created by the Soul. Any oblique retrograde Moon has the intent to become inwardly secure within itself. The conditions that the Soul creates to evolve into this are reflected in the Pluto paradigm, and then the aspects the Moon makes to all other factors/dynamics in the chart.

God Bless, Rad

                                                  NEPTUNE RETROGRADE

Neptune correlates to the very nature and origins of consciousness. As a result, it correlates to what we want to call God, or the Goddess. Within this Neptune correlates to that which constitutes the ultimate meaning of life itself. Of itself consciousness is very analogous to water. Water, of itself, in formless. Yet we can put water into any form or container and the water, consciousness, thus assumes the function of that form. It is then defined by the nature and function of form. Consciousness in human form thus correlates to the nature of consciousness in that form: the human form. When Neptune is retrograde at birth it correlates to a consciousness, the Soul, who will progressively reject or rebel against that which constitutes the real meaning for life as defined by temporal values emanating from whatever society or culture of birth. The underlying desire in Neptune retrograde is to discover, to realize, what the ultimate meaning for life is.

And that ultimate meaning will be linked with timeless values, not temporal, where timeless values correlates the cause of life itself: the cause of the manifested Creation. Because of this underlying desire the Neptune retrograde Soul can inwardly experience, cyclically or perpetually, a deep inner existential void in which nothing in life means anything to it. This will be true until the Soul has makes choice to commit to that which will provide for that ultimate sense of meaning: to a spiritual life in which the desire to know God/ess within. Even when this is occurs to the Neptune retrograde Soul there can still be cycles or bouts of this existential aloneness because of the nature of the world in which the Neptune retrograde lives: how most are living their life. This juxtaposition of what the Neptune retrograde Soul is living by way of a life committed to God/ess and the vast majority of others who are not thus, creates this feeling of existential aloneness.

Within the evolutionary process of rebelling against temporal values associated with what life means many of the Souls with Neptune retrograde will manifest a diversity of thoughts of what does correlate with ultimate meaning. Thus, they can create any manner of desires in which the initial reaction to those desires is to feel that whatever the desire is will connect them to this sense for ultimate meaning. And this can be literally anything that the Soul can imagine that is then infused with the projected ultimate meaning by the Neptune retrograde Soul. And, of course, it may be entirely possible for the Neptune retrograde Soul to actualize whatever the desire is that in now infused with the projected ultimate meaning. And, for a time, this can create a real sense of that ultimate meaning, a real sense of satisfaction in which the Soul feels that it has found or discovered that ultimate meaning for itself.

Yet, in time, this feeling will give way, and revert back to, the inner sense of meaningless: the inner existential void. This occurs of course because of the real intent of the Neptune retrograde Soul: to commit to a spiritual life in which the real ultimate meaning is realized. So, from an evolutionary point of view, the Neptune retrograde will necessarily experience these cycles of disillusionment that are caused by the projected ultimate meaning into some desire that is not linked with what the core intent of Neptune retrograde requires: a life committed to God/ess. These cycles of disillusionment will continue as long as the Soul tries to chase down any desire that is infused with the ultimate meaning in which that ultimate meaning can not be realized.

Neptune also correlates with the nature of the collective consciousness, and the collective unconscious. The collective consciousness means the totality of what all humans on Earth of inwardly feeling, of what they are thinking, of how they are reacting to the events on Earth at any point in time. The collective unconscious correlates to the memories that are held within the human species in terms of its past. Within this there are other forms of the collective consciousness/ unconscious. For example, there can be a racial collective consciousness/ unconscious: the Jewish race, the gypsies who have their own unique genetic codes, the North and South American Indians, the Eskimos, and so on. And, within this, there can be areas on the planet that can be termed regional collective consciousness/ unconscious. For example, the South part of the U.S.A., the Bavarian region of Germany, the tremendous cross currents within consciousness in Jerusalem because of the history/ unconscious in that area between the Jewish peoples and the Muslin peoples. And so on. As humans of course we are all part of this collective consciousness/ and unconsciousness. When Neptune is retrograde the Soul is much more inwardly sensitized to the impact of both the collective consciousness, and the unconsciousness. And this increased in sensitivity can then deeply affect the psychological state of the consciousness of the Neptune retrograde Soul.

Neptune correlates to the awareness within the human species that all of Creation, all forms of life, all forms of humans no matter what their race, religion, societies of birth, etc are INTERRELATED. It is this interrelatedness of the human species, of all of Creation, that the Neptune retrograde Soul is attuned too. Thus the impact of the collective conscious/ unconscious upon their psychological state of consciousness can be so deeply affected.

Relative to Uranus, and it's correlation to traumas, Neptune correlates to hysteria as a function of certain types of traumas can occur in any given life, and the hysterical reaction that occurs due to the nature of certain types of traumas. When those traumas remain unresolved, with the attendant hysteria, they will keep moving forwards with the Soul in each life that takes place after the life in which the traumas took place. This is called hysteria dysphasia. In some Neptune retrograde Souls this unresolved trauma, and the hysteria associated with it, will be present from birth. When this is the case the chemical composition of the brain itself will be in a state of imbalance. A variety of psychological affects will then be present within the consciousness of the Neptune retrograde Soul.

These will include "˜irrational' behavior linked with specific kinds of stimulus where the behavior being triggered is utterly disproportionate to the nature of the stimulus itself. Whatever the stimulus is has the affect of igniting the original reaction that took place when the original trauma occurred. It can include dissociative behavior which can also manifest of split or multi-personalities. It can include creating an imaginary reality that is considered to be the actual reality of the Neptune retrograde Soul. It can include all manner of eating disorders, phobias, and neuroses of all kinds. It can include an absolute inability to take responsibility in any way for life itself leading to a psychological state of being a perpetual victim who blames anything or anyone for that which it is responsible for. It can lead to various types of autism due to the intense sensitivity within the Soul that causes the Soul to want to hide. In certain of these cases it can also cause the phenomena of being a "˜savant' who has capacities and abilities that are typically labeled as being a genius. When this is the case it this will occur as a direct reaction to the deep inner compression within the Neptune retrograde's consciousness where that compression is in direct proportion to the withdrawal from the circumstantial life around it. That compression thus ignites the Neptune retrograde desire to connect with its core intention: to seek ultimate meaning. Thus, this compression creates an inner doorway to the source of Creation itself. When that doorway is then opened in this way this then causes the Soul to have these savant like qualities because they are coming from much larger forces that the Soul itself: the affect of the doorway leading to the Creator Itself.

Neptune also correlates with the phenomena of sleep, and the dreams that can take place while we are asleep. The primary intent of dreams within consciousness in human form is to purge the Soul of all kinds of data and information that it takes in during its waking life. As a result it keeps the Soul stable by way of this purging. This is why the majority of people dreams are what can be called "˜junk dreams' that mean absolutely nothing. We can also have highly symbolic dreams in which the nature of the symbols in those types of dreams are signaling to the Soul that it is processing, needing to look at, various areas within its life that correlate to the major evolutionary intentions for the current life being lived. When those intentions, and the life circumstances that symbolize those intentions, are being carried forwards from other lifetimes into the present, this can then also manifest as past life dreams. We can also have what can be called "˜super-conscious dreams' in which the Soul can leave its physical body during the sleep state. The Soul will then "˜dream' that it in some place from on high, the astral plane for example, in which is it is then having some kind of instruction or teaching from an entity that is not on this Earth. This is also associated with what is called "˜astral traveling'.

When Neptune is retrograde the Soul will typically have dreams in which the nature of the dreams is to review, retrograde, the nature of its current life in a variety of ways. This can include having past life dreams in which something in whatever life was not resolved. For some this will also manifest as a penchant for the super-conscious types dreams. When Neptune is retrograde at birth this can also correlate to Souls that have trouble sleeping because there is such a high degree of energy within their consciousness that is continually processing, reviewing, its life. For some others however when Neptune is retrograde it can correlate with the feeling of needing to sleep all the time. When that is the case this is typically a reaction to two dynamics. One is a Soul whose recent prior lifetimes have been so traumatic, or so full due to the nature of the life itself, that the Soul comes into life in a state of exhaustion. Thus, this feeling of needing to sleep all the time. The other dynamic correlates to Souls who simply do not want to engage their life because life seems too heavy. Thus, the reaction is to remain as unengaged as possible, leading to this feeling of wanting to sleep all the time. A variation of this with some Neptune retrograde Souls is to want to avoid or escape life in the form of drugs, alcohol, of any manner of activities that have the affect of avoiding any real engagement in their lives.

Hi Everyone,

Rad does Neptune retro Souls correlate to spiritualizing in a very individual or unique way? If so does this also correlate to completely remaking what that unique spiritualizing is over and over through out the life being lived?
Does creating a spiritual life towards Source mean that for the majority of every moment the Soul is in human form their thoughts are on Source in some way?
What does it mean to spiritualize? For retro Neptune Souls can  this be an extremely hard question for some to answer?


Thank you,

Heather

Hi Rad,

Thank you again for sharing these lectures on retrograde with us.

I was wondering if it would be possible, after you have finished posting all the retrograde materials, if we could work on some practice charts of real life people with retrograde(s) in their charts, to further support our understanding of these archetypes?

A couple of charts I had in mind were those of Princess Diana and Edith Piaf.  I have attached their charts below for anybody that may be interested.



All the best,

LAS

Hi Heather,

"Rad does Neptune retro Souls correlate to spiritualizing in a very individual or unique way? If so does this also correlate to completely remaking what that unique spiritualizing is over and over through out the life being lived?""

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This is certainly one of the archetypal responses to Neptune retrograde, yes. But just one among others. All depends of course on the nature of each Soul, and their own ongoing evolution.

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"Does creating a spiritual life towards Source mean that for the majority of every moment the Soul is in human form their thoughts are on Source in some way?"

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For the majority of humans on Earth, yes.

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"What does it mean to spiritualize? For retro Neptune Souls can  this be an extremely hard question for some to answer? "

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In essence it means that all Souls are aware in some way that they are part of the manifest Creation and, because of this, naturally wonder, ponder, or ask in some way what is the Source of that manifest Creation. Before humans created philosophical/ religious cosmologies this manifested simply as trying to understand the Natural Laws that are the basis of that manifest Creation in the first place. Later this became the invented or projected philosophies and religious cosmologies. 

For some with Neptune retrograde it can be a hard questions to answer for sure.

God Bless, Rad

Hi LAS,

I am not sure about that at the moment. If we do example stuff we would not start with whole charts at all: we would start with simple examples, i.e. , Mercury retrograde square Saturn, etc, etc, etc. Build from there.

God Bless, Rad

Quote from: Rad on Jul 31, 2018, 07:36 AM
Hi LAS,

I am not sure about that at the moment. If we do example stuff we would not start with whole charts at all: we would start with simple examples, i.e. , Mercury retrograde square Saturn, etc, etc, etc. Build from there.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Apologies, should have been clearer:  only using the whole charts within themselves so as to have a simple foundational understanding of the individual context upon which to apply the simpler meanings of the the retrograde archetypes.

Also, what would the fundamental difference(s) be between actually having a planet retrograde in comparison to a planet in aspect by a retrograde planet, i.e. oblique retrograde?

For example, Saturn retrograde compared to Saturn in aspect to Mars retrograde.

Does it mean the Saturn function would only possess elements of the retrograde archetype specific only to its relationship to the Mars function?  Whilst on the other hand, in relationship with other planetary functions/archetypes would not?

To simplify:

Saturn Rx = overall inner questioning of/rebellion against status quo reality

Individual might constantly ask itself "Why do I/does everyone function within the world this way?"



Saturn in aspect to Mars Rx = inner questioning of/rebellion against status quo reality as it specifically relates to the Mars function, as determined by its placement, aspect to Saturn, and other aspects it makes with other planets within the natal chart.

Due to Mars Rx inner questioning of/rebellion against its conscious desire nature, which would thus promote a dynamic of inner questioning of/rebellion against the status quo reality as it relates to the individual's desire nature.

Whilst, for example, the Saturn function as it relates to Venus would not operate with this dynamic of inner questioning/rebellion at all (unless there were other aspects that determined otherwise).

Individual might ask itself "Why do I feel the desire for this or that, and why do other people feel the desire for this or that, when it does not even feel natural for me?" or "Why do I (or others) have to do act upon this or that to achieve or function within society?"

Hope I have been clear with my questions.

All the best,

LAS

Hi LAS,

It was difficult for me to follow what you were asking about, the examples you used.

The simple way to understand an oblique retrograde versus a planet that itself is retrograde is to use an analogy of a car hitting something, a tree for example. The tree would correlate with a planet that is not retrograde, and the car would correlate to a planet that is retrograde. If the car hits the tree then the tree is being being changed by the car: an oblique retrograde. In other words the tree is not changing from within itself relative the retrograde archetype. It is being obliquely changed because of the car hitting it. If that car did not hit that tree then the tree would remain as it is FROM WITHIN ITSELF.

On the other hand the car is also being affected, changed, because it hit the tree. Thus, the non-retrograde, the tree, is affecting the retrograde archetype embodied in the car which hit it. It is the interaction between the car, retrograde, and the tree, non-retrograde, through which each is affected via the interaction with one another.

To illustrate this here is an answer to Marty's question about a Jupiter retrograde conjuncting the Moon that she had asked some time ago.

"Any planet that is in aspect to a retrograde planet can be considered 'obliquely retrograde'. Relative to the Moon conjunct a retrograde Jupiter this would manifest as a Soul creating egocentric structures that need to rebel against any external belief system that generates self images of the Soul that occur because of those beliefs: and those same beliefs affect and generate how the Soul see's and understands other people. In essence to rebel against all artificial beliefs that have simply been invented by humans that have nothing to do with the actual truth where what is actually true does not need any beliefs because what is inherently true is simply true: the sky is blue, we don't need to believe that it true.

Typically in this sort of symbol the Soul involved has been in the evolutionary process of rebelling against all kinds of beliefs that it has accepted at previous points in it's evolutionary journey which include beliefs it has created about itself that simply are not true.

The ongoing evolutionary intent is for the Soul with the actual truth of itself, whatever those natural truths are, and to align itself with the natural truths or laws of the manifest Creation that do not require any beliefs whatsoever. This evolutionary process naturally leads to the consciousness of such a Soul to be rooted in the right, non-linear, brain that can naturally intuit the inherent truth of anything.

The Jupiter retrograde conjunct the Moon also correlates to the Soul's intention to evolve towards a inner state of soul/emotional/psychological security from within itself. In other evolutionary times such Souls typically have linked their need for such securities to various beliefs systems in which they became utterly dependent upon in order to feel secure. Thus, the ongoing evolutionary intent to throw off such dependencies and to evolve to an inner state of security in which that security occurs through that which the Soul knows, gnosis, to be true. True about the nature of the manifest Creation, and that which is true about itself."

We could now add that the affect of the Moon on the Jupiter retrograde would evolve into a dynamic in which the Soul and it's ego would inwardly secure from within itself relative to which is actually KNOWS VERSUS WHAT IT HAS NEEDED TO PREVIOUSLY 'BELIEVE' IN.

God Bless, Rad

 

                                                       PLUTO RETROGRADE

Now we come to the apparent phenomena of Pluto retrograde. We will consider Pluto retrograde from a purely evolutionary perspective. Pluto is retrograde roughly six out of every twelve months. Approximately half of the population will have a retrograde Pluto in their birth charts. What does it mean?

Relative to the four natural evolutionary conditions, Pluto retrograde means that half the people are not accepting the status quo, and will question the status quo in such a way as to reflect their own natural evolutionary condition and state. This process allows collective evolution at all four evolutionary levels or conditions. Pluto retrograde, then, allows for collective evolution to occur because half the people at any one time are questioning the status quo in some ways. This is utterly necessary from evolutionary point of view because it allows for growth of the entire human species. It prohibits stagnation, non-growth and crystallization.

From the above it may be understood that the retrograde Pluto tends to place the emphasis on the desire to return the Source of the Soul, Soul, or to evolve in a more accelerated fashion. Because of the individualizing effect of Pluto retrograde, the person must do which they must do in their own way. At the deepest possible level, the Soul, Pluto retrograde promotes an internalization process, a relative need to withdraw from external activity. Because Pluto correlates relates to the deepest reaches of our unconscious, this impulse may not be actively implemented given other factors in an individual's total makeup. The need to withdraw may simply be sensed as a wistful desire that remains unfulfilled. Even if it is not acted upon, the individual will still feel a sense of distance from within itself, and others in a fundamental way.

Because the retrograde Pluto tends to emphasize the desire to return to the Source, or the need to accelerate the elimination of separating type desires, the sense of cyclic or perpetual dissatisfaction is deeper in these individuals than in those who do not have Pluto retrograde. Keep in mind that all of us, with or without Pluto retrograde, will have this experience to one degree or another. Dissatisfaction is directly linked to the interaction of the co-existing desires in the Soul. Until all separating desires are totally eliminated this sense of dissatisfaction is the psychological symptom or effect that originates in the desire to return to the Source. Dissatisfaction allows for the progressive realization of "˜not this, not that'. Through this process we will someday realize what it is that creates ultimate satisfaction. The point is that those with Pluto retrograde will experience this sense of dissatisfaction more deeply and consistently that those who have Pluto direct. Pluto retrograde accelerates, in its own way the evolutionary process:  individually and, therefore, collectively.

Thanks for your answers Rad; for sharing this. Great stuff!

More questions to follow I'm sure....

Maranatha

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank very much for answering my questions...

Is the purpose of Pluto retro to actually withdraw from the external world to drawn into oneself?

Also I feel like the point of existence or human evolution is to create to creatively actualize and the ultimate intent is to creatively actualize for Source towards Source. When you see  Souls with a lot of retro planets and those planets touch everything in the chart  and you put those Souls at the very beginning at the gates of 1st stage individual or 1st stage spiritual would you say that the creative life purpose would be one of completely stripping it down, throwing it off, deconditioning, that the Creative process is not really that external in the outside world it's somethihg that happens totally on the internal plane? There is not going to be at the beginning of these gates with a retro chart much work in the external world because the Soul is completely in the process of reworking it's creative purpose and that is the purpose in a sense?

Also Lucifer is about to go retro... Can you talk about that influence retro? Is this a time when that influence becomes less intrusive for all?

Thank you for everything,

Heather

Hi Rad, thank you again for your response.

I think what you posted is alignment with my conceptual thinking of the oblique retrograde archetype.

Just to further clarify, I have drawn a venn diagram as another analogy.  In the centre is Saturn's circle, on the left Mars and right Venus.

The aspect relationship that both Mars and Venus have with Saturn is rendered by where the circles overlap.

The "˜direct' energy of Saturn and Venus I have marked with blue, whilst the retrograde energy of Mars I have marked in green.

What I have attempted to demonstrate is how Saturn, although direct in nature like Venus, its specific energy that is in aspect and thus relationship to/with Mars is of a retrograde nature, due to the interaction with Mars retrograde.  But it is only this particular facet of Saturn, that is in relationship with Mars, that is retrograde in nature, not the entirety of the Saturn archetype in and of itself.

So to further clarify:

Saturn that is itself retrograde will demonstrate the reflective/rebellious nature of the retrograde archetype within all facets of its relationships/aspects with other planets, because it is in and of itself retrograde.

However, Saturn that is direct but in aspect/relationship with a retrograde planet, i.e. Mars, will only display the reflective/rebellious quality of the retrograde archetype in specific regard to the particular facet where Saturn and Mars interrelate.

I would like to include an actual example with particular house placements, but worried I would not define the symbolism correctly.  But if this would be helpful in further clarifying my question, let me know.

Thank you

Hi Heather,

"Is the purpose of Pluto retro to actually withdraw from the external world to drawn into oneself?"

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No.

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"Also I feel like the point of existence or human evolution is to create to creatively actualize and the ultimate intent is to creatively actualize for Source towards Source. When you see  Souls with a lot of retro planets and those planets touch everything in the chart  and you put those Souls at the very beginning at the gates of 1st stage individual or 1st stage spiritual would you say that the creative life purpose would be one of completely stripping it down, throwing it off, deconditioning, that the Creative process is not really that external in the outside world it's somethihg that happens totally on the internal plane? There is not going to be at the beginning of these gates with a retro chart much work in the external world because the Soul is completely in the process of reworking it's creative purpose and that is the purpose in a sense?"

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For some Souls this would be true, for others not.

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"Also Lucifer is about to go retro... Can you talk about that influence retro? Is this a time when that influence becomes less intrusive for all?"

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It is not a time in which the influence of Lucifer is less intrusive. The intention of the retrograde Lucifer is to try to undo any evolutionary choices that any given Soul has made to further it's own evolutionary development. At the same time each Soul has the opportunity to reflect on how the influence of Lucifer has manifested in their lives in such a way as to understand how it has made choices  that in fact have created the very opposite of what it has actually needed to continue it's own evolution. Thus, to revisit those choices so as to make the choices that need to be made so this it's evolution can proceed.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Everyone,

Ok Rad thank you...

In regards to Lucifer retro I thought  I read somewhere on this board, I'm sorry I can't find it now, that when
It's retro one can become relatively free from this influence? Maybe this was in regards to having it retro at birth?
So are you saying that when it's retro by transit this is a time that one may  undo all the good progress they have made? Or do you mean it's a time to reflect on choices made in the past that weren't in alignment with the Souls intended growth?

Thank you,
Heather

Hi Heather,

"In regards to Lucifer retro I thought  I read somewhere on this board, I'm sorry I can't find it now, that when It's retro one can become relatively free from this influence? Maybe this was in regards to having it retro at birth?"

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No.

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"So are you saying that when it's retro by transit this is a time that one may  undo all the good progress they have made? Or do you mean it's a time to reflect on choices made in the past that weren't in alignment with the Souls intended growth?"

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Both can be true.

God Bless, Rad

Hi LAS,

If the way you are putting it together makes sense to you, your diagram, then no need to make an example.

God Bless, Rad

dear Rad and friends:

   thank you for posting these incredible teachings on Rx planets. I have a question about Uranus Rx and would like to reference the following paragraph:

   "Going back to where we started when Uranus is retrograde at birth it is pointing towards Neptune. In combination this creates a core alienation from the reality of Earth itself, of societies in general, from any sense of meaning for life that is defined by the majority of people on Earth, and thus gives rise to the inner questioning within the Soul of that which does constitute meaning: lasting meaning for life. Neptune correlates with the ultimate meaning about what life is, and is not. This is why it correlates, among other correlations, to Spirit, and the search for our Creator: God/ess."

   Can any of you please help me understand, further, why Uranus Rx, at birth, points toward Neptune? I certainly understand the teaching, and it makes intuitive sense, as all of the Rx planetary expressions seem to express a deepening, internal, awareness and a process of unique, internal, individual realization.

   I'd like to know if Uranus Rx, also 'points toward' the opposite sign (being Leo and the Sun), suggesting that Uranus Rx is, also, pointing one toward a redefinition and renewal of one's special destiny, creative actualization, and life's purpose? In other words, if a Uranus Rx individual is in the process or withdrawing, retreating, and rebelling against status-quo Uranian archetypes (i.e., trying to fit in to any faction of society in order to compensate for feelings of social ostracism), are they, simultaneously, and
unconsciously, learning to 're-birth' themselves (Leo/Sun) into a role, this lifetime, that is not dependent upon anyone else's approval, especially amongst one's peers?

   thank you for everyone's time - this is a wonderful study.

Hi Marty,

The retrograde archetype is like a doorway that leads the deeper levels of consciousness. With Uranus retrograde this points towards Neptune because of the underlying archetype within Uranus: rebellion and individuation. Thus rebellion against external conditioning, and individuating because of that rebellion.

With Uranus retrograde, relative to your question about 'pointing' towards the Sun, Leo, and the 5th House the answer is yes.

God Bless, Rad

thank you Rad, for that clarification about Uranus Rx in a natal chart.

   This is one of my favorite teachings from JWG, several years ago, re: Mercury Rx:

  "What we need to understand is the archetype behind the various things you are all describing. Because, once you understand the issue, the causal factor, vs. the symptom, then you can address it. You can figure out a strategy to work with it.

   Psychologically, and evolutionarily, it can mean an individual who's trying to develop their own information base. That is that they're trying to remove dependency upon external information "¦ they will accept status-quo opinions as a form of compensation, yes "¦ "

   (Question about Mercury going Rx by progression) "It means that at that point in the person's evolutionary progression, that they're entering a time-frame of eliminating unnecessary information that they've taken into their life, to date, and by going through a process of elimination, they arrive at what is still relevant to themselves. That then allows for a foundation to be established, and from that foundation, they're collecting new information, inwardly realized. You see? Okay."

- "Planetary Retrograde", Jeff Green, NORWAC (date is 2013, but I believe this was recorded before that - md).

   I appreciate the teaching that a Mercury Rx influence would affect one's inward realization. And have used this often! Thanks for this thread.

Hi Rad and all,

I have a few more ponderings concerning the retrograde archetype.

To start, since Saturn pertains to the consensus stage of evolution, Uranus to the individuating, and Neptune to the spiritualising, would it be fair to ascribe the cardinal cross to the consensus, the fixed to individuating, and mutable to the spiritualising?

Further, a soul within the consensus stage of evolution would therefore attribute its identity, self-image (and any other associations to itself derived externally) due its various familial and social/cultural relationships and social functions as symbolised by the cardinal cross within a given natal chart.

Consequently, inthe individuating stage, the soul is in the process of progressively identifying more and more with archetypes defined within the fixed cross.  The soul desires to shed any self concepts or associations derived from within the cardinal cross, that are merely temporal and limited, not authentic and absolute - as defined by the fixed cross, and its "fixed nature".

In the cardinal cross, the earth sign Capricorn is the last cardinal sign, so does this indicate how within the Consensus, value systems are almost always derived from the social norms and belief systems of the consensus? Or to put slightly different, an individual's value system is the end product of experience and relationships signified within the cardinal cross?

And therefore, Taurus as the first fixed sign in the fixed cross symbolising the individuating stage of evolution, indicates that value systems are progressively individualised and this process in itself is the fuel to drive the energy through Leo, fixed concept of and expression/actualisation of self, Scorpio, fixed relationship with ones true self/nature/soul and source, and Aquarius, the ultimate detachment from the physical and thus identification with the absolute that preempts the ultimate emotional surrender (Pisces).  An individual's value system is no longer the end product of experience but rather the predeterminant of what experiences the soul then (chooses to) attracts to itself: the bottom line of individualisation.

With these ideas in mind, would a retrograde planet in a cardinal sign therefore symbolise where a soul has made the choice to accelerate its evolution via shedding elements of itself and ego as it relates to cardinal associations of identity and function (which would usually be attributed to consensus value systems that are defined by social norms and prevailing beliefs).

On the other side of the same coin, from a past life perspective, would this same symbol also convey how these consensus based associations have been tools that the soul has used to comfortably integrate within society and to support its individuation in the past?


Thank you in advance,

LAS

Hi LAS,

It's a good thing that you are trying to put these archetypes together in new ways, your own actualization process, but the way you have done this does not correlate with the archetypes of cardinal, fixed, and mutable. In essence, the cardinal archetype is to initiate evolution/ change, fixed to consolidate and stabilize that evolution/ change, and the mutable to expand upon what has been stabilized and consolidated in order for growth within that to evolve.  Then cardinal again, etc, etc.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Upon reading your response, I realised what I was aiming to ask about and make sense of was an understanding of the qualities and functions of the modalities (cardinal, fixed, mutable) from the perspective of each specific evolutionary stage (consensus, individuating, spiritualising).  And also therefore grasp how the retrograde archetype operates in relation to the individuating perspective of each modality.

QuoteIn essence, the cardinal archetype is to initiate evolution/ change, fixed to consolidate and stabilize that evolution/ change, and the mutable to expand upon what has been stabilized and consolidated in order for growth within that to evolve.

Referencing the above quote:

Consensus Cardinal = initiate evolution/change within the framework of the identities/roles/functions an individual soul has adopted from or been prescribed by the consensus of society and family of birth.  The soul will be initiating new experiences wherein discovery of newer aspects of the identity/role/function it is familiar with will occur.  This dynamic may also manifest as the soul experiencing a new "˜mask' entirely - leaving behind old identity associations and initiating new experiences to explore new ones.  The evolution/change will occur within/is limited to the scope or framework prescribed by the status quo of the consensus (ideals and value systems), which thus influences the self-image/ego's own relationship with its identities/roles/functions.

Individuating Cardinal (also retrograde?) = initiate evolution/change that promotes the soul's progressive individuation, through progressive detachment (via internal questioning and reflection) from identity associations that have been prescribed by or adopted from the status quo of the consensus (derived from its ideals and value systems).  The soul is simultaneously throwing off any projections and purging any separating desires that inhibit the individual from aligning its egocentric self-image with its soul's self-image.  The individual's self-concept, thus identity, emotional security, and personal authority will become derived from within, rather than from without.

Spiritualising Cardinal = initiate evolution/change that advances the soul's progressive identification, and accompanying associations, with source.  After the soul has reached a point of authenticity with itself and its relationships within the individuating stage of evolution, the soul is then able to more easily align its ego progressively more and more with source, completely throwing off any remaining desires or self concepts that are separating in nature.

Is my understanding and synthesis of these archetypes correct?

Thank you for your answers.

LAS

Hi LAS,

"Upon reading your response, I realised what I was aiming to ask about and make sense of was an understanding of the qualities and functions of the modalities (cardinal, fixed, mutable) from the perspective of each specific evolutionary stage (consensus, individuating, spiritualising).  And also therefore grasp how the retrograde archetype operates in relation to the individuating perspective of each modality."

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The retrograde archetype is not applied to these modalities at all. The modalities operate as archetypes of themselves. Of course in any given birth chart a planet(s) may be retrograde within any of these three natural archetypes. When that occurs then the retrograde archetype can be applied relative to the nature of the planet that is within one of the three modalities. When that happens then the archetype of the modalitie is affected by the retrograde planet that is within it.

God Bless, Rad

Quote from: Rad on Aug 18, 2018, 08:17 AM
Hi LAS,

The retrograde archetype is not applied to these modalities at all. The modalities operate as archetypes of themselves. Of course in any given birth chart a planet(s) may be retrograde within any of these three natural archetypes. When that occurs then the retrograde archetype can be applied relative to the nature of the planet that is within one of the three modalities. When that happens then the archetype of the modalitie is affected by the retrograde planet that is within it.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

Thank you for your response.  To clarify, is my understanding of each evolutionary stage according to the cardinal modality correct?

Also please let me know if any questions I ask are innapropriate for the forum.



All the best,

LAS

Hi everyone
Hi EA team, Excellent thread!

Dear Rad, regarding your answer in Marty's writing about Uranus Rx:

Quote from: marty on Aug 04, 2018, 07:12 AM

  I'd like to know if Uranus Rx, also 'points toward' the opposite sign (being Leo and the Sun), suggesting that Uranus Rx is, also, pointing one toward a redefinition and renewal of one's special destiny, creative actualization, and life's purpose? In other words, if a Uranus Rx individual is in the process or withdrawing, retreating, and rebelling against status-quo Uranian archetypes (i.e., trying to fit in to any faction of society in order to compensate for feelings of social ostracism), are they, simultaneously, and
unconsciously, learning to 're-birth' themselves (Leo/Sun) into a role, this lifetime, that is not dependent upon anyone else's approval, especially amongst one's peers?

Your answer was

Quote from: Rad on Aug 04, 2018, 08:53 AM
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With Uranus retrograde, relative to your question about 'pointing' towards the Sun, Leo, and the 5th House the answer is yes.

And if natal Uranus retrograde is in Leo and opposite to Sun? Could you or someone else clarify me about this? I have an idea but mainly about the opposition to Sun and since I am learning, I would prefer to listen to the experts. Plus the fact that what I am talking about is also a mutual reception and in opposition, something very new to me.


May all be well

Irini

Hi Irini,

The evolutionary intention is this symbol is for the Soul to creatively actualize itself ON IT'S OWN TERMS within the context of the evolutionary state that it has evolved into. The Soul will naturally rebel or oppose any group or individuals who want or try to tell it what to do relative to the Soul's underlying sense of purpose of it's life. It will form relationships with others of like mind that can give it the necessary feedback or encouragement to do what it feels it needs to do in order to creatively actualize itself on it's own terms.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad
thank you so much for your immediate and so helpful answer.

Always blessed

Irini