Hi all, I would like to start a new thread. The new thread is a practice thread which focuses on applying the Pluto paradigm. We will go step by step through the Pluto paradigm. I would also like to practice applying the same natal signature in different evolutionary conditions. Please let me know who is interested in participating and we will go from there.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
I would like to follow along on this thread and will try to contribute to the best of my abilities.
Heather
I'd like to follow along as well, and plan on contributing!
Cheers,
Edward
Hi Deva, please count me in on the practice thread. Thanks. DDD
Hi Deva,
i would be very pleased to participate, thank you!
All the best,
Helena
Hi Deva,
I will be following.
Maya
Hi Deva
I'm time-pressed all the time, but sometimes get a little space so I'll be reading along, however I'll also try and participate occasionally if I can.
blessings Upasika
Hi Deva
I want to participate, thanks for the opportunity
Wei
Great- I am excited about starting the practice thread! I will post on Monday, Jan.30th with a review of Pluto and it's polarity point. There will be specific examples of how to interpret Pluto and it's polarity point within the natal chart. My suggestion is to review the chapter Pluto through the house and signs in the Pluto vol.1 book authored by my father JWG as we will be practicing applying The EA paradigm starting with Pluto in a specific house/sign.
Namaste
Deva
We will begin by applying the EA paradigm step by step as developed by my father JWG in the book Pluto vol 1. The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul. My suggestion is to review the chapter Pluto through the house and signs as to reference the material that we will apply in this practice thread.
The first step of the EA paradigm is Pluto by house and sign locality in the natal chart. Pluto, from an astrological point of view, correlates to the Soul. The Soul contains within it two co-equal yet antithetical desires: one to return to Source and one to separate from Source. Evolution occurs through the progressive exhaustion of all separating desires. This occurs over a great period of time through successive incantations on Earth. it is important to note that the Soul is typically unconscious in the vast majority of people. We become aware of the unconscious desires within the Soul over a period of evolutionary time. It is exactly the interaction of the two desires within the Soul that determines what we feel we need and the choices we then make at any moment in time. The core point within this is that desire is the determinant of evolution.
In order to understand the nature of the current moment in time and present life circumstances we must first understand the nature of the past and why that past has been experienced from an evolutionary point of view. The Soul creates the specific life circumstances that are necessary to facilitate it's ongoing evolution. Pluto symbolizes the "why" of past, and is thus the starting point of interpreting the birth chart using the EA paradigm.
Pluto correlates to the desires of the evolutionary past, and a natural point of gravitation in the current life. In other words, it symbolizes where the Soul has left off prior to the current life and will naturally pick up in current life. Pluto symbolizes the deepest sense of unconscious emotional security that any of us can have. Why is this? For most of us, security is linked with the past, and the known and familiar ways of being. Emotional security is based on the need to be self-constant, which again, is rooted in the past. Pluto represents pre-existing patterns of habitual behavior that are associated with the past and constitute emotional security. These patterns can become obsessions and compulsions, and reflect areas of limitation and stagnation in the context of further evolution.
Pluto's polarity point (opposite house and sign) symbolizes the current evolutionary intentions and desires. The polarity point reflects the opposite psychology and orientation of the evolutionary past as indicated by Pluto's natal position. It is through embracing the necessary evolutionary change's reflected by Pluto's polarity point that limitations, stagnation, and blocks towards further evolution are transmuted. The natal position of Pluto is then automatically re-expressed at a higher level. In other words, through cooperation with the current evolutionary intentions for the life (Pluto's polarity point) the natal position of Pluto then manifests at it's maximum level of expression.
Let's apply these core principles of Pluto and it's polarity point through a simple example. We'll start with analyzing Pluto in a specific house. Let's put Pluto in the 10th house. The core evolutionary desires of the past are to understand the impact of cultural conditioning. The 10th house/Saturn/Capricorn archetype correlates to societal norms, rules, customs, etc. Examples of conditioning factors are gender, cultural/ religious conditioning, and economic status.
Any culture or society has prevailing norms, customs, taboos, etc that the Soul to which the Soul is then expected to conform. These norms then serve to "˜condition" the Soul. The 10th house/Capricorn/Saturn archetype correlates to the structure of consciousness. The socially accepted behavior within any mainstream society then creates man made rights and wrongs. These man made rights and wrongs then become internalized, and become the basis for projected judgment. The core point within this is that these man made rights and wrongs do not reflect what is intrinsically right and wrong as reflected by natural law. The example JWG often used to illustrate this point is putting a baby on the freeway. We all agree that this is naturally wrong, and we do not religion to tell us that this true.
Another core correlation of Pluto in the 10th house is to a accentuated sense of guilt. There are two types of guilt: one is learned guilt, and the second is natural guilt. Learned guilt is guilt that is internalized via man made laws and norms. This guilt should be purged from the Soul as it does not serve to help the Soul to continue to evolve. Natural guilt is guilt that is linked with behavior that is intrinsically wrong and violates natural law. Natural guilt is a natural teacher for us all in the sense that we can learn not to repeat the behavior that is the source if the natural guilt.
For example, misuse of one's social position or authority is one potential source of natural guilt linked with Pluto in the 10th house. In addition, another source of natural guilt is that of judgment. A core evolutionary lesson of Pluto in the 10th house to to learn that whatever standard of conduct that is considered "correct" and has thus become the basis for judgments is subjective. It is not uncommon that Pluto in the 10th house individual's have become heavily judgmental of themselves and others. Again, the core point within this is the standard of conduct that is used to make these judgment.
Pluto in the 10th house reflects the past evolutionary intention to establish it's own personal voice of authority within society. The specific career or societal role can become a vehicle through which the Soul's expresses it's voice of authority within society. In order to do so, the Soul must adhere to the socially established means such as acquiring the necessary credentials, etc. The Soul must also become self-determined in order to actualize these capacities.
In addition, Pluto in the 10th house reflects past evolutionary lessons of emotional maturity and responsibility. The Soul has been learning to accept the responsibility in it's own actions, and in so doing emotionally mature. Emotional repression and/or suppression has often occurred in the evolutionary past. It is not uncommon that the Soul picks circumstances in which their parents imposed strict and rigid standards of conduct. In essence, they are expected to be "miniature adults" and potentially become de-facto parents. This evolutionary lesson may also occur through intense confrontations with others in which they must accept the responsibility in their own actions instead of blaming society or others in positions of authority in a general sense. Examples of such justification are "the ends justifies the means," or blaming a corrupt system.
If there are any questions about the core points discussed so far please ask now so we are the same page! Otherwise, please review Pluto in the 10th house in the chapter Pluto through the house/signs in the book Pluto vol. 1 book. Please review the whole section which includes the 4th house polarity point. The next step is to then write in your own words the core evolutionary intentions/desires of the evolutionary past symbolized by Pluto in the 10th house in the natal chart. After we review Pluto in the 10th house and are on the same page, we will review the 4th house polarity point.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in the 1oth House:
Unconscious security and desires emanating from the Soul would revolve around the need to identify the self through a social position in society. There would be strong desires in the past life and coming into the current life with linking ones identity to its career function and position in society. There could be deep feelings connected to social structures and laws defining the culture one is born into as well as strong identification with Family structures as dictated by society or the current Family structures one was born into. The person may overly identify with the society of birth or feel aligned with it or the parental conditioning adopting these as their own source of internal security. Pluto stands for the past that is carrying over into the current life and with this positon of Pluto in the 10th the person may have become crystalized into the surrounding traditions they found themselves born into. They may come into this life desiring to align with those social structures and therefore boost their identity in some way as there may be a deep need to feel powerful and respected. Possible feelings of powerlessness may be experienced or felt and are linked to deep inner security needs revolving around parental functions past and present involving one or both the parents. Due to the polarity between the 10th and 4th houses revolving around responsibility and security the families of birth will be an important platform for a Soul with a 10th house Pluto and how they actually handle their responsibilities in life will revolve around much of this. A Soul with this positon will feel very defined by "responsibility" "tradition" with a deep sense of moral values but understanding those things with in society is where a 10th house Pluto can become tricky as the lessons revolving around "judgement" will be inevitable. When to judge who to judge, why you are judging because of this strong sense of Moral conduct and Judgement that is inherent to there core personality. These desires will be in the end to teach them about themselves and their own conduct based on society, family conditioning and patriarchal conditioning. They may have strong desires to get ahead in some way with there security linked with this identity but learning ways to link themselves to society in a way that they are not brought down is the key. Their desires to get ahead so to speak may leave there emotional relationships with in the family lacking and possibly avoided or ignored there emotional relationships and internal emotional life. Security being defined as who they are seen as in there social and work functions instead.
Heather
Hi, Heather. Thanks for contributing to the practice thread! What we wrote is all within the possible expression of Pluto in the 10th house. Good job! I would like to add that an over identification with the career and social position is s potential source of natural guilt which leads to reflection. Reflection correlates to the 10th house archetype and is necessary because reflection can, in a positive expression, lead to the awareness of the unconscious dynamics described above. A a result, positive change and evolution can occur.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
So the reflection inherent to the archetype of Capricorn Saturn and the 10th house is to throw the Soul back on itself for contemplating there inner emotional world which would happen the more they are identified with an external position in society or getting ahead in some way with social status?
Would this also include any person living too externally in anyway not just in regards to social status or career but when one in general is not exploring their inner emotional world the Capricorn and 10th house function will induce nessasary situations where the emotional life has to be evaluated?
Heather
From my understanding, reflection occurs in order to induce the awareness of why current life situations are being experienced. In other words, reflection is natural to consciousness. Yes, it does throw the Soul inward. Whenever existing dynamics have become crystallized and outdated a necessary reflection then occurs within the Soul. Positively, such reflection can then lead to, or induce, the awareness of the structural dynamics within the Soul which have become outdated and sre preventing further growth. Your example of neglecting existing family responsibilities due to an over identification with a social position or career is an example of a dynamic within the Soul that could potentially lead to confrontations. These confrontations would serve to induce the necessary reflection after the fact. In the end, such reflection guides the Soul to accept the responsibility for It's own actions. Pluto in the 10th house reflects that this process is intensified within the Soul and has come under the evolutionary impulse of Pluto.
Namaste
Deva
Pluto in the 10th House/Capricorn.
Like all Cardinal archetypes, Pluto in the 10th House or Capricorn signifies that a soul has entered a new evolutionary cycle in the recent past. It is a continuation of the socialization of a soul relative to the nation, tribe or family in which they are born. In connection with the other two Earth archetypes of Taurus and Virgo, evolutionary necessity requires that each and every soul with this placement learns to identify and establish their role and work function as a mature adult within the context of the nation/society they are born into. Every person has a part to play in society, and the identification of what it is they can contribute regarding career or work will require setting goals and having the self-determination to pursue those goals. Since this evolutionary cycle is fairly new, not all people with a 10th House Pluto/Capricorn will have fully integrated and realized this lesson, and so will continue to work on these issues in the current life. Part of these lessons will be learning how, from society's point of view, to integrate and use their skills and gifts by following rules set down by the society. As an example, a person might have learned everything there is to know about the laws of a particular country, but they cannot just set up shop and start giving out legal advice, they have to actually get a law degree at an accredited university before doing this.
Every society, country, tribe or collective of people living together has rules and regulations that govern how that group of people will live and interact with each other and with other groups of people/nations. This is necessary in order to guarantee the consistent and predictable ways of conducting the practical, everyday functions of life within a nation. If we did not have rules, we would have chaos, and organized function would break down. Thanks to agreed-upon rules of conduct, well-functioning societies and civilizations have been built. It is also thanks to the very same thing that societies and civilizations have collapsed because those very same rules became rigid and crystallized in the face of evolutionary forces. All structures within society will become outmoded and outlive their usefulness at some point, and if they cannot make adjustments to accommodate new ways working, they will collapse.
People with Pluto in the 10th House/Capricorn are often able to understand how societal rules work and be able to use and integrate that knowledge for the betterment of a society. Sometimes a person with that knowledge will use the insight for the betterment of themselves and manipulate people and situations to benefit themselves, ultimately resulting in the subconscious guilt that inhabits the souls of many people with Pluto 10th/Capricorn. (At this moment on earth Pluto is moving through Capricorn, and we in the United States are witnessing abuses of power in our administration unlike anything we have ever seen before. All kinds of underhanded means and justifications are being used in order to fulfill the ambitions of the man in the white house with help from his henchmen and corporate overlords, playing upon people's fears and ginning up nationalistic tendencies in those whose sense of identity is defined by the color of their skin and national borders). It can also indicate that a soul who has so thoroughly identified themselves with the power and status of a prominent career may have done just about anything to hold onto that career since their very sense of identity is so closely woven into it. This could include using deceptive means, rationalizations and justifications of actions taken to ensure their hold on power is guaranteed. If a soul has, in fact, abused power or social position in prior lives, they may well have had those positions forcibly removed in order to ensure the ongoing evolutionary intentions (as indicated by the opposite house/sign). This kind of removal could also happen in the current life if necessary lessons have not been thoroughly learned and applied in a prior life. Relative to loss of career and/or social status through power abuse in a prior life, the soul will come into this life with feelings of guilt that they cannot identify the origin of. These feelings of guilt will be directly related to those abuses of power. The guilty feelings and the need for atonement within the soul can lead to being born into family circumstances that reinforce those feelings, the intention of which (among others) will be to induce a state of reflection (Capricorn) wherein the soul can get to the bottom of why their life is the way it is, why they feel the way they do and how their own actions have created their life situation. Learning to take responsibility for their own actions is a primary lesson within Capricorn/10th House. Until the Pluto 10th House/Capricorn lessons are thoroughly learned, the person may be unable to identify what it is they are on earth to do regarding career. Or maybe no matter how much they try, and despite having all the right skills and talents, all meaningful career doors remain closed. Again, through reflection, the understanding of why it is happening can result, and the necessary adjustments leading to personal growth in the right direction can lead to those doors finally opening. Sometimes the person will have to wait for the second Saturn return to discover their true career path or place in society. In some cases, it doesn't happen at all for karmic reasons. If a person cannot find out what their true path is as regards their role in society, they can become depressed and a sense of futility can permeate their consciousness as they wonder about the very point of being on earth if they don't know why they are here. Depression and a sense of futility can become so severe that they don't know which direction to go in next.
Difficult family circumstances that Pluto 10th/Capricorn people can be born into include material poverty where they may not receive the nurturing they need from parent(s) because the parent(s) are always working just to make ends meet, or maybe one or both parents has a demanding career which takes up most of their time. Sometimes, a parent may not feel very loving towards the child and deprive the child of touch and eye contact, and surround themselves with a frosty energy field in order to discourage the child from touching them or to silently let the child know they have displeased them by not living up to their standard of conduct (whatever that may be). In all of this, the child will be forced in upon themselves in order to find inner security, and thereby minimizing external dependency. Of course, any child who does not receive the love they need from a parent runs the risk of remaining a child inside and at some point in the future be forced to mature (Capricorn) through confrontation with others if they project these needs outwards. In other cases, a child might be required, through necessity, to become the adult in the family if one or both parents are not there, maybe taking care of other siblings. In yet other cases, the parent(s) may be very supportive of the needs of the child and offer loving guidance in the career goals and desires of the child. The circumstances will be different in each case, but the underlying lessons will be the same - to learn inner security. Difficulties and the necessary evolutionary or karmic lessons within family circumstances can also come through the Pluto 10th/Capricorn's own children. Maybe the person has been so wrapped up in their career they have not really given time to getting to know their own children, or maybe they have difficult children, or children who seem to be more wise than they are. Reflection on any difficult family dynamics can point to why these situations are happening so that considered and responsible action can be taken to remedy them.
Regarding the rules of society, countries, or groups of people living together, those rules are based on belief systems, usually in the form of man-made religions. These man-made religions have all kinds of rules of their own and have a reward and punishment ethos through which they decide who is good and who is bad depending on their particular standard of conduct. This kind of judgement becomes part of the consciousness of the individual, and guilt is the result of a person not living up to the requirements and expectations of the religious rules (usually made by men). This kind of guilt is different than natural guilt where the person's own conscience gives guidance on what is right and what is wrong. Natural guilt stays in the soul so that the same mistakes will not be made again. Man-made guilt should be purged if possible since it bears little, if any, relation to truth and the way natural law works.
Pluto in the 10th House or Capricorn usually indicates that a soul has switched genders in the most recent prior lives, having reached an evolutionary limit in the gender they were inhabiting immediately prior to the current life. Depending on how new this gender-switch is, the soul may experience some difficulties adjusting to the emotional dynamics of the opposite sex. For others, gender identity becomes a major issue in their lives and can create difficulties for the soul if they are born into a patriarchal society where gender roles are rigid, and the person, from their own point of view, does not fit into any particular category. These circumstances could potentially lead to a person withdrawing from life as they try to understand why this is happening and how they can fit into society in a truthful and meaningful way.
People with Pluto 10th/Capricorn have an innate sense of timing and the natural cycles of life. This includes the sense of mortality and the realization that they only have so much time in which to accomplish their goals. This realization can provide positive motivation to take action and do what they need to do.
Some people with Pluto 10th/Capricorn are fascinated with the structures found in nature. They might be interested in rock and mineral formations, crystal structures, and be interested in primal patterns such as the spirals found everywhere in nature, and especially the beauty and efficiency of those structures, gaining insight from the form and function of these timeless shapes.
In all cases of Pluto 10th/Capricorn, the intent is to remove all outer sources of dependency. Its OK to want a meaningful career and the recognition that goes with it, but this must come from a place of security. If that social position is removed, they will be just fine. As the soul evolves, they will have an increased desire to align their egocentric identity with the Divine and move into a career that expresses the Will of the Divine, where their natural leadership ability can make a real difference in a world where blind ambition and corporate power has become more important than all else. DDD
Pluto in 10th house
As the last earth archetype, Pluto in 10th house Souls desire to manifest their inner resources/potentials/values (Taurus) in a work/career function (Virgo), to find their Vocation within a society, to actualize their inner authority in a professional field, manifest their soul's role in this material world. Pluto 10th house Souls has been learning how society works, what are the mainstream values/rules/customs/taboos, how mainstream defines success, and what's right/wrong within a culture they are born into. To master anything requires investing time, hard work and effort, Pluto 10th house souls often feel the pressure of accomplishing something in limited time/lifetime within the restrictions of rules in certain society/culture/career, even restrictions of law of time/space, when they align their inner value (Taurus), with self-discipline, like mountain goat climbing cliffs, they are able to set long term goals, truly be Master in a professional field, being recognized as influential figure, live out their soul's potential in a social role, even change structure of their reality/collective reality.
In Pluto 10th house Soul's evolutionary journey, they have been born into or gain power in past lifetimes, because Pluto correlates to Soul's deepest unconscious security, Pluto 10th house Souls hope to hold on to that power, they can be over identified with their social position/career/professional skills, need to be in control all the time, need to make rules, to maintain the crystalized reality. When their power (security) being threaten, the deep fear of losing control may cause them to manipulate others, abuse their power. Capricorn/10th house/Saturn correlates to law of cause and effect, in this case, Pluto 10th house Souls will have fall of grace experiences, being humiliated/exposed in public, also natural guilt within their Souls, to remind them never make the same mistake, remind them of rights/wrongs in natural law, compare to man-made law. Another case would be Pluto 10th house Souls has also incarnated into lower social position to experience the opposite in this duality world, in those lifetimes they may feel great blockage of the society, being over-powered by others, in a way they feel they have no control over their life at all, in this case, souls usually have a inner voice: There is no other way, i have to conform, i can only be myself when i claim to power, then i won't be controlled by others ever again. In this case, Souls can feel oppression/suppression, in order to "control" their life, they may totally shut down emotionally, not allowing any personal feeling, not allowing themselves to be vulnerable, this can leads to mechanized workaholic, or a family role/social role that has nothing to do with their inner self-image. In this way, they are climbing to success, accomplish one goal after another, but they will always feel there is something missing, the outside success seems never satisfy them emotionally.
Capricorn archetype correlates to judgment, the problem is whether judgment is based on natural law or distorted man-made law. When the it is based on man-made law, to secure themselves, Pluto 10th house Soul can be very critical, assert (Aries) their subjective point of view (Cancer), project in relationships (Libra), impose (Pluto) authority over others, to control/manipulate others. Pluto 10th house Souls usually have memories of being judged, publicly humiliated, and many of them will be incarnated into a very strict family environment which reflect this type of past life dynamics. Also they are usually appear older than their age, take responsibility early in life, knowing the bitter side of life, and they are always required to do everything right on a high standard. This could reflect possible past life experiences of being in critical position, such as government /army....need to make life/death decisions, be responsible for others, thus not allowed to make any mistakes. We can always see Pluto 10th house souls in workplace like the tarot card: 10 of wands, being in a constant stressful condition, afraid of letting go of any task/responsibility, again reflect deep fear of losing control, if they relax, things will collapse.
Like Pluto in 4th house, Pluto in 10th house correlates to gender switch, the gender in this lifetime is relatively new to Pluto 10th house Souls, because in any society, there is a fixed role of man and woman, Pluto 10th house Souls can feel their inner gender is suppressed/rejected by mainstream values/others. Anything suppressed will be distorted, there can be deep suppressed rage within Pluto 10th house souls. Their lesson is to develop inner authority of who they really are, to naturally express their inner gender, how they want to be a man or a women, not try to fit in other people's expectation. This crisis/conflict of yin/yang energy, leads them to truly integrate yin/yang within, to understand every soul essentially are androgynous.
Thanks again for practice opportunity
Wei
hi Deva,
regarding the 10th house and its' obvious relation to the very 3-D view of our world, and how we relate to the physical world, I believe that it can represent an ever-changing rationale of our lives on earth and the world that surrounds us.
of course, we are not solid beings, we are energetic, and the world around us is in constant flux, but Capricorn, via the 10th house, gives us a sense of defined physics and physicality, for the moment...
it is also an archetype of virtual power, control, recognition and validation. We give credence to these concepts in the attempt to fathom our physical existence, but as you stated in your lesson, we are essentially assigning form and definition to a physical existence that will only need to be undone at some point.
when I look at Pluto in the 10th I always ask myself, when is this person (or myself) going to take responsibility and authority for their life and actions? When will they learn to quit giving their power away to external manipulations and influences and just think for themselves? And when are they going to awaken to their own, personal, knowledge? One of my teachers taught that there comes a time, in each of our lives, when we all have to put down the books, tapes and teachers and just lean against a tree and listen.
I think that Bodhi tree is represented by the 4th house.
with the pull of the 4th house, a consideration of letting go of the need to achieve or legitimize oneself, in a worldly sense, is presented. Our goals shift to the need for inner security, grace, and emotional balance. We are presented with the option of replacing all of our mundane 'knowledge' with mythological understanding, and replacing the rituals of society with our own deeply felt creativity and ceremony.
if I understand you correctly, it is in the letting go of the need to be known or recognized (10th house) that allows oneself to find fulfillment on a deeper level? In this process of letting go of societies' trappings and machinations, we will naturally draw closer to the spiritualization process and be better able to perceive the voice of soul.
so, the natural growth from 10th to 4th house Pluto polarity point would be one of progressively relinquishing reliance on external title and significance, and learning to rely on the deep well of inspiration from within.
"Passion is born
the moment you get a glimpse of
your potential"
- fred smith
Hi, DDD- excellent application of EA! This reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in the 10th house stated very clearly in your own words. High five!
Namaste
Deva
Hi, Wei- excellent application of EA! Everything you wrote is within the possible manifestation of Pluto in the 10th house. Just to clarify, Virgo correlates with service to the whole, and Capricorn correlates with the social role or career. In addition, Virgo reflects the need to discern "right work" verses work that is done just to keep busy. Capricorn would then reflect the actual social role or career. Yes, it is a possibility that the Pluto in the 10th house Soul reinforces the culturally accepted rights and wrongs of the society of birth. This can then play out as projected judgments towards those who do not conform to traditional gender assignments in a general sense.
Hi, Marty. Thanks for contributing to the practice thread. Before posting please review Pluto in the 10th house in the Pluto vol.1 book as Wei, DDD, and heather have done. What you wrote does not address the core evolutionary intentions/desires of Pluto in the 10th house.
If you have any questions, please ask now so we are the same page. Otherwise, the next step is to apply the meaning of the 4th house polarity point which reflect the current evolutionary intentions for the life. I will post an example by Monday Feb.9th. Thanks for the effort you have been making on this thread!
Namaste
Deva
Deva, thanks for the feedback and I am looking forward to continuing. DDD
I'll be able to post sometime tomorrow.
Cheers,
Edward
Hi Deva,
Thanks for clarifying, have a question, does Capricorn archetype only correlate to natural guilt, and Virgo, Man-made guilt?
Hi, Wei. Great question. Capricorn, Saturn, 10th House correlates with the archetypes of guilt: both learned and natural. Virgo is part of the natural trinity with Capricorn and Taurus. Thus, Virgo correlates with these two types of guilt that is reflected in thisnatural trinity. So, for example, the Virgo archetypes also correlates to atonement .. the need to atone for whatever the guilt is about: learned or natural.
Namaste
Deva
Hi, Wei. Great question. Capricorn, Saturn, 10th House correlates with the archetypes of guilt: both learned and natural. Virgo is part of the natural trinity with Capricorn and Taurus. Thus, Virgo correlates with these two types of guilt that is reflected in thisnatural trinity. So, for example, the Virgo archetypes also correlates to atonement .. the need to atone for whatever the guilt is about: learned or natural.
Namaste
Deva
Regarding Marty's post - thank you Marty!! As someone who has Pluto in the 10th house your interpretation touched me significantly. I related to every word and it has definitely been my experience in moving from the 10th house towards the polarity point in the 4th exactly how you described in a very literal way! Thank you!
Hi, all. For those who have not yet posted please let me know if you are interested in participating in the practice thread. If so, please also give a time frame in which you intend to post.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
I will be posting on PPP in the 4th as soon as my mind has something for me to write. Thank you Deva for teaching all of us here.
Heather
Hi Deva and group,
thank you Deva for still giving me the time to participate.
Here go my thoughts.
Pluto in 10th House
One of the first things that made me curious when reflecting more deeply upon Pluto in the 10th house, was the fact that here, like in all cardinal houses, we arrive at an archetype that is starting something and at the same time, if an expression was used to describe a person with pluto in the 10th house, "˜the natural authority' would generally fit the main desire of most souls. (Even in the case of a soul karmically or by other reasons blocked from having a ruling position/career in the context of its own society, big or small, we could still be inclined to say that that person would feel this way to the core).
In essence, it is very interesting to have a cardinal house showing a new phase is just beginning, and like anything we start, an intrinsinc feeling of insecurity because we lack experience, we are not "˜safe'; and at the same time, a sense of security, pluto, that is derived from maturity, authorithy and control, capricorn/saturn/10th house.
Accepting this could be a reasonable starting point to look a pluto in the 10th house, to understand it, it is actually trying to understand why there can be a 'safety' feeling allowing the pluto in 10th house soul to start this new evolutionary phase, and where does it come from.
Not being exactly a paradox, i suspect the full answer comes only when we go further to the polarity point, but with pluto in the 10th house, unless the same natal pluto is retrograde (would this be correct?), society, parents, authority figures, rules, regulations and any socially structured reality the soul is born to, will provide the appropriate "˜container' for developing this feeling of safety and security. It will allow the understanding of how things work, how society functions and by way of the natural trines to taurus and virgo, apply and develop the inner talents with the right work, responsability and self-determination.
The archetypes of pluto and 10th house together can be then to arrive at a moment, the disseminating phase feeling, where this understanding is not only made possible but naturally applicable. Even if the evolution of the soul is not linear, there is down the evolutionary path of the 10th house pluto, the experience within the soul, developed resources and social maturation, to penetrate deeply into the structure of the consensus within its own reality and recognize how to best apply its individuality to serve society's needs with the right work and career, naturally having access to power and socially relevant positions.
This access to power can demonstrate great influence in society, even more so if we take that saturn correlates to the whole structure of consciousness, possibly representing, given the evolutionary condition of the soul, the ability to "˜ditacte', to limit, to manipulate how an entire social group or nation structures its own consciousness, in the worst possible example even becoming tyrannical leaders and dictators.
Looking from this perspective at what consensus society has been since transition from matriarchy to patriarchy, of what actually constitutes this 'container', the question of power and social status, comes then in most situations to gender issues, male domination and control, and perversion of the natural connection from capricorn to the natural laws of nature, time and space.
Since ancient times, all societies and groups of people had natural leaders that obeyed natural law.
Since then to now this archetype became strongly an archetype of distortion and supression. Via the square to aries, natural yang energy became distorted, controlled, with suppression of natural instincts and sexual desires not acceptable from the consensus perspective and religious man-made laws, judgment over rights and wrongs; and the natural square to libra, control and domination in human relationships, far from being naturally equal and balanced.
One example might be that most pluto in libra generation alive today, given the square to the south nodes of pluto and saturn in capricorn, have soul memories and are themselves a symbol of this unbalance.
If we look at history and our current society, for some souls with pluto in the 10th house, this has been the vehicle to access power, control over others and self-gratification.
For others it has been experienced as inner guilt, pain and depression trying to do what is "˜right' according to man-made law and suppressing natural desire, or natural guilt and shame by actions that violate natural law. For some it has represented great struggle with parents and authorithy figures about the right to express its own individuality in order to have the right work or career.
For again others, it has represented the karma and ability to be in a position to do much good for the wellbeing of society and fellow citizens.
For great others, like Yogananda, it has represented the natural autorithy of god within that reaches far and far into expanding the cousciousness of many souls.
On a more personal note, it is interesting to watch how very little young souls that are now born with pluto in capricorn, can somehow already manifest this inner authority from within. What this can represent for the future of society, will be an interesting question. Hope some great souls can lead in a very different way from what we've been witnessing..
All the Best,
Helena
Hi Deva, and all, thank you for your varied responses,
If I could attempt, again, an interpretation of "˜the core evolutionary intentions/desires of the past symbolized by Pluto in the 10th house', in the natal chart?:
I'd like to speak to this quote, ""¦ Pluto in the 10th house or Capricorn represents a condition wherein an entire chapter or cycle of evolutionary development has come to close and another has just begun within the recent past." - Jeff Green, "Pluto", vol. 1.
It seems to me that this would represent an individual who has been striving for and/or has been experiencing social concern and commitment in the past. In any case, they would have had a keen interest in, or they would have been an integral part of, the social machinery that prescribes a particular culture at a particular point in time, whether by choice, for karmic reasons, or by evolutionary necessity.
I also think it's possible that some people, in the beginning stages of learning to conform to social involvement, may have arrived there because the old ways of non-conformity were simply not working. It also seems to me that people who have garnered some degree of social efficiency are the ones who can best "˜give back' to their communities and cultures by inspiring others to "˜step up' and get involved in civic or political matters. but this is conjecture on my part.
Individuals with Pluto in the 10th would have an inclination toward the cultural conditions and parameters that they are born into, based on their acquired ability to acknowledge and adapt to these conditions in the past. Their role may have been one of privilege, or mere survival, depending on their past circumstance, but they would have learned to 'conform', to a certain degree, in order to "˜succeed' in a particular social arena, (or they may have learned to merely 'function' to survive) by playing by the rules.
Those who have achieved mastery in working within the confines of a given societal structure would be born with an inherent sense of how their structure operates, and, also, the ability to apply this wisdom to broader cultures and societies, such as an ambassador or emissary.
A degree of social mastery and recognition would naturally reinforce the lessons of self-discipline, self-determination, and the cooperation with a higher "˜authority' in the process. With these tools, these individuals may develop the capacity to link their individual purpose (whatever that may be, and under whatever conditions) to a social purpose, which, inevitably, leads to a perception of social autonomy, security, and/or personal accomplishment, which may have been within the soul's desires prior to this lifetime.
Unless the privilege that comes with a position of authority is misused, these individuals would be experiencing varying degrees of their soul's desire to learn commitment through sustained effort, so that they can function efficiently within their given society and culture, help foster effective change, and become a voice for the disenfranchised.
If I understand correctly those, with the natal Pluto in the 10th house, who have had the greatest soul experience of learning to hold meaningful social positions (trans-culturally, over time, and through many standards of conduct), have the greatest capacity to "˜give back' to their current society. They contain the character and strength to inspire others to work within the "˜system' of their own cultures in order to strengthen themselves as individuals who can work toward bettering their lives and the lives of others. This is the power and the vibration of the individual having a greater voice within the collective. But these soul experiences are vibrational in nature, and are being constantly, and unconsciously, tested by the pull of the 4th house polarity.
There are many lessons to be learned by the soul's desire to integrate into the particular social structure of their birth-place and era. One of the lessons is the gaining of the perception of worldly "˜achievement' and "˜success' through sustained effort and determination. With gathered wisdom and experience, these individuals may have become better "˜positioned' to help others to help themselves, who may, in turn, become productive members of society with the ability to inspire others. At the very least, Pluto in the 10th house individuals have been gaining the perception of the ability to become better "˜positioned' within their respective social structures, and, depending upon their evolutionary state, may have used their position to either inspire or subject others.
Tenth house Pluto people would have been gaining insight into their objective natures and how to best handle responsibility, rationality and decision-making to affect or benefit the whole. They may be seeking "˜accomplishment' of their personal ideals, and "˜arrival' of their personal goals. I believe that it is natural to seek a sense of "˜completeness' within this signature, due to the cardinal archetype of the tenth house, but this "˜completeness' involves a relinquishing and/or modification of past ideals and personal beliefs in order to "˜arrive' at a new view of reality. I believe this is referred to as "˜one step back, and two steps forward'?
This consideration of past ideals and personal beliefs is part of the natural reflective nature of the 10th house, wherein an individual may come to realize their very "˜real-world' ability to affect the rules and lives of others and, thus, give themselves pause to examine their past motivations and biases that may have been an unconscious source of natural guilt up to this point . Those with Pluto in the 10th may be in the process of transforming their "˜world-views' and, quite literally, be in the process of restructuring the nature of their consciousness, due to the need to reflect on the responsibility of their current position in life.
It's been my observation that certain individuals who have truly developed a sense of personal self-determination and discipline no longer need the trappings of "˜success' in either their personal work or diplomacy, and would be willing to continue their efforts in virtual anonymity, (which brings us to the 4th house polarity). A good gauge of how secure they are in these lessons is their willingness to denounce all worldly title and recognition in order to initialize the formation of new social structures, based on new levels of their developing consciousness - a kind of St. Francis of Assisi effect.
Deva mentioned that: "Evolution occurs through the progressive exhaustion of all separating desires." and, "A core evolutionary lesson of Pluto in the 10th house is to learn that whatever standard of conduct that is considered "correct" and has thus become the basis for judgments is subjective."
I'd like to express what I refer to as the "˜Pisces paradox', which is part of the spiritualization process. I believe that once an individual gets to experience getting to the "˜top' (in a societal sense), and once they have learned to express a certain level of self determination, that they can then experience a release of what they thought they so badly needed. Bodily, earthly experience is the key, and becomes the basis of, ""¦ another [chapter] has just begun within the recent past." (- Jeff Green, "Pluto", vol. 1). The past, habituated, desires then become part of a living "˜energetic' exchange within an ever-deepening (and evolving) unconscious desire to allow for new, more spiritual desires to surface (leading to transmutation within the emotional body, balance, stability, and security). Tenth house standards and concepts of social "˜correctness' can be entrenched and reinforced over lifetimes, but they are subjective and can be released as our spiritual recognitions evolve. In fact, a position of "˜authority' can actually impel an individual to greater reflection and, thus, the desire or evolutionary necessity to seek communion with Source.
Deva stated that, "It is through embracing the necessary evolutionary changes reflected by Pluto's polarity point that limitations, stagnation and blocks toward further evolution are transmuted. The natal position of Pluto is then automatically re-expressed at a higher level."
This is what I meant when I said that through the desire and willingness to let go of society's trappings and machinations we will naturally draw closer to the spiritualization process, and be better able to perceive the voice of soul. The tendency towards spiritualization takes place, naturally, within the pull of the Pluto polarity point, and back again. (The polarity, in this case, being the 4th house); that when considered and explored, will inevitably lead to the revelation of a "˜higher authority'. And, paradoxically, it is the very unconscious desires of our souls, through time and existence, to spiritualize and "˜exhaust all separating desires' that compels the desire to let go of societal trappings. This is the transmutation process of the 10th house that requires, oftentimes, gradual and sustained effort to realize.
It's been my experience with many Pluto, 10th house people (who are progressing to or in the spiritual state) to hold all manner of rather menial jobs. They may be the nannies, care-takers, janitors, gardeners, teachers, musicians, healers or artists who are best 'positioned' to help heal, minister to, or enlighten those "˜in charge'.
To sum up the evolutionary intentions of Pluto in the 10th house, I could say that true earthly maturity, and the desire to take responsibility, summons soul consciousness.
The way I look at the above process of bodily learning is: ourselves giving ourselves permission to grow, change and evolve, much in the same way that a kind but strict, loving parent (particularly a father figure) would try to instill in their child.
It is through living the societal limitations, trials and conditions of the 10th house, first-hand, that we may begin the process of realistically 'parenting' ourselves at the point in life where we are strong enough to do so. It is through gentle, kind and constructive guidance that the 10th house Pluto lessons are best cultivated. It is through embracing our past, learning to forgive ourselves, as we practice being non-judgmental, that we can allow for the foundations of soul strength to continue. (A loving parent would encourage their child to develop their own self determination so that they will be better able to perceive the voice of their own soul.)
Worldly renown is ever-shifting and elusive, and this is one of the lessons of the 10th house Pluto - that once we have gained the perspective to reflect on our responsibilities as mature individuals within society - we are, simultaneously, gaining the perspective that we may no longer need these responsibilities. True reflection helps us achieve a plateau state of emotional balance, security, and grace in which we can see that we'll be just fine, no matter what. If we have no title or recognition, we are secure within ourselves, and our role as meaningful individuals. If we have title and recognition, then we are better advantaged to encourage others to seek the discipline needed to do likewise.
Pluto-in-the-10th individuals have been learning the seriousness of striving to conserve their precious time, energy and attention, in the corporeal world, as individuals responsible to others, amongst finite resources, in these very human seasons on earth.
Thank you for your time and teaching, and for the opportunity to be a part of the M. B.
In spirit,
Pluto-in-the-10th-house-marty
"Do not squander time
for that's the stuff life is made of".
- Benjamin Franklin
to Kelly,
thank you for your kind words.
you are a bright light and an inspiration, and I very much look forward to your posts and contributions ...
in spirit,
marty
Pluto in the 10th house is going to reflect a direct relationship with authority, and the associated struggles between this authority and their individuated experience of the world. For this individual, authority is going to be represented by some outside force, most generally a cumulation of the laws, values, and demands of the cultural structure that the individual is born into. At the earlier evolutionary stages, the individual is going to feel emotionally stagnated, and subject to whatever is expected of them by the specific culture. Ultimately, it is an experience of learning what it means to be properly encultured by their surroundings. An instinct toward material success propels them toward acting as a vessel for the cultural demands, to the point where individuality is seemingly non-existent. The individual is essentially a reflection of their cultural surroundings, most likely fueled through their upbringing, and led toward the light of whatever is entailed by success in their particular culture. The individual not only has the potential to disregard their own individual approach to life, but will often do whatever it takes to achieve their culture's idea of material success, even if that means defying their own innate emotional needs and instincts.
The individual with Pluto in the 10th (or in Capricorn) is beginning a new cycle of evolutionary development. Houses 7 and 8 allowed the individual to experience a variety of relationships, putting their sense of self-awareness into practice, and momentarily forgetting their own individuality through becoming so absorbed through various acts of partnership. As the boundary between individuals dissolved (8th), one or several lifetimes was dedicated to a cumulative understanding of all that was experienced before (9th), and a sense of personal philosophy directly tuned into natural law (whether that be an existing philosophy, religion, or an individuated experience of the world). With the 10th house, this sense of philosophy is practically applied to the society that the individual is a part of (in various capacities, depending on the evolutionary stage of the individual).
Continuing the trinity of earth signs (Taurus: sensuality, being, value - Virgo: service, atonement), Capricorn puts the experience of an individual into action, relating that sense of service to a larger, societal structure. Again, having explored the philosophical foundations to its life (9th), the Pluto in Capricorn individual is going to simultaneously draw from their innate understanding of life, as well as the habits that reflect the environment that they live in. Pluto in the 10th house, through the evolutionary stages, grows more aware of its own internal resonance, recognizing the importance of applying their own experience of the world to their lived society, rather than simply being a mirror to the society itself.
The Pluto in the 10th house individual will have had past lives in prominent social positions, as described by the aspects that Pluto is making to the rest of the chart. From this, we also see the structural reality of the individual (Saturn), which forms the container for that person's emotional experience (Moon). As the individual becomes more aware of the rhythms of the outside world, and intuitively connects to reason itself, success no longer takes on the form of "all or nothing". Rather, they recognize their own ability, to not only lead, but to find purpose and meaning within the guise of the outside world.
Cheers,
Edward
to Kerri,
sorry, I called you 'Kelly', but I wanted to let you know that your comments are appreciated and I anxiously await your posts and insight.
I'm enjoying reading everyone's diverse responses.
in spirit,
marty
The evolutionary desire of the soul with Pluto in the 10th house is to find their inner authority within the society they live in. I'd like to look a little more closely at the word authority. What is authority? If you look up the definition you find this: "the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience. Power, jurisdiction, command, control, charge, dominance, rule, sovereignty and supremacy". The Pluto in 10th house individual is learning about authority; what authority does he possess or command, how can he gain authority. Through lifetimes of trying to discover what authority really is and of trying to find his own authority there is a lot of potential to misuse authority in some cases or paid a heavy price for authority. The path to true authority would have many pitfalls and distractions. These "˜mistakes' serve as the impetus to moving towards the polarity point. Eventually the soul learns that the command, control, charge and enforcement that he has needed to develop is that of his own inner nature. The lessons learned would reflect the need to develop the discipline over his inner nature. He would also discover the need to develop warmth, the ability to receive and offer support and the importance of developing an inner security that is not dependent on outer gain. The individual discovers the residual guilt and in some cases punishment that he has experience in fumbled efforts of establishing authority have served to point out that societies ideas of "˜authority' are sometimes very divergent from true authority. So, what is true authority. We see in the definition of authority the word "˜sovereignty'. What is sovereignty? One of the dictionary definitions is "˜a self-governing state'. The higher the spiritual state the more we would see the evolutionary desire of the soul to be a self-governing entity in which the individual recognizes that true freedom means becoming your own authority. Becoming truly accountable, responsible and disciplined in alignment with natural principles. The individual would come to a recognition that alignment with natural principles and the true nature of your soul is in fact becoming your own inner authority. The declaration of sovereignty might look something like this:
I accept responsibility and accountability for what I think, say and do.
I will not wave truth down the street on a banner,
nor will I hide it in isolation fearing humiliation.
I will wear the shield of sovereignty the way it was meant to be worn,
inside out, the soft lining of humility exposed.
For confidence lies not in sovereignty but in truth itself.
Certainty lies not in address but in attention.
I am sovereign, as I am meant to be.
For Pluto in the 10th house this level of sovereignty is the encompassing of both the 10th and 4th house paradox coming together in the blending of inner security and outer authority, the ability to be of service to society while at the same time a humble recipient of that society, to make decisions from a place of authority that has natural principles as the foundation and to be willing to act on those decisions even though their authority might be challenged. And like others have said previously, that authority may look suspiciously un-authoritative. As it has been said in previous posts, the evolved Pluto in 10th house individual would become quieter yet hold more inner power, their service would seem unimportant and yet wield tremendous power and change for the individuals they encounter. They would exude a quiet authority with incredible influence in such a humble way that, while highly effective, could be easily missed.
Hi, all. Thanks so much for posting on the practice thread. I will provide feedback tomorrow, and we will move on to the 4th house polarity point.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva,
I have got tied up with other commitments again, and just won't have time to post anything at this point - maybe later perhaps. But I think the practice threads are great and am enjoying reading the posts...
blessings Upasika
Helena- Great application of EA! What you wrote clearly reflects the core evolutionary intentions/desires of Pluto in the 10th house. Expression of natural authority which is based on one's inner capacity and actual experience is a core dynamic which you accurately addressed. Cardinal archetype correlate with the initiation of change. Yes, this does typically manifest as one step forward two steps back. This is due to the insecurity that the initiation of change creates. In other words, one step forwards towards change, then two steps back due to the insecurity of the step towards change. In my view, the question you are asking is in regards to the modeling of how to express authority, and what authority truly means. As you wrote, in natural times gender roles where based on equality in which both the masculine and feminine roles were equal and interchangeable. During natural times, the feminine was taught as equal to the masculine. Thus, there was co-quality which is reflected in the archetype of Libra. In addition, this also reflects that natural law taught by JWG that all roles within society, no matter what that role, are equal. In other words, in natural times, it was taught that every role within a "tribe" are equal. This is in sharp contrast to man made law in which those that hold a higher social rank, or status, are considered to be more important than those in the lower social strata. This paradigm shift did occur during the transition from natural times to patriarchal times.
Marty: Thanks for re-posting! What you wrote is all within the possible expression of Pluto in the 10th house. From my view, the core point which you are addressing is linked to one's inner orientation (Taurus) to one's social position and to external authority. It reflects the transmutation of the core desire within the 10th house Pluto to hold a meaningful social role for the sake to serve the whole (Virgo), and to use their social position to help those who are in a lower social strata rather than a focus on social position for the sake of acquiring social control and power.
Edward: Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core intentions of Pluto in the 10th house. Yes, it is necessary to learn the rules and customs of society in order operate successfully in society. However, the core issue you wrote about in terms of doing so in way that you are not absorbed by the society itself is a core dynamic within Pluto in the 10th house. For example, this may manifest as a Soul who desires to establish their own personal voice within society yet must acquire the necessary credentials/certification from society. In the end, the Soul can use this certification in whatever way they desire. In other words, the Soul can use such certification to become established in personally meaningful way through the career or social position.
Kerri- Excellent application of EA! Your example of the prevailing mainstream definition of authority and, in a sense, redefining this term based on it's natural expression of authority coming from the "inside out" so to speak clearly reflects a core dynamic of Pluto in the 10th house. Yes, the key to this is internal security verses external security which is reflected in the 10th house/4th house axis.
OK- next step is the 4th house polarity point. I will post an example of the current evolutionary intentions for the life symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house by Friday Feb.10th. I am really appreciative of the time and effort you all have been putting into this thread!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva, thank you for your comments. I appreciated these comments, too, from some of the more recent posts:
"Continuing the trinity of earth signs (Taurus: sensuality, being, value - Virgo: service, atonement), Capricorn puts the experience of an individual into action, relating that sense of service to a larger, societal structure." - Edward
(Considering the earth signs, Capricorn would be the earth archetype that would spur an individual into action due to the transformative belief in the power of self, and the "˜power' that this newly cultivated belief has to motivate others. I think of it as a kind of natural high.)
and:
"As it has been said in previous posts, the evolved Pluto in 10th house individual would become quieter yet hold more inner power, their service would seem unimportant and yet wield tremendous power and change for the individuals they encounter. They would exude a quiet authority with incredible influence in such a humble way that, while highly effective, could be easily missed."
- Kerri
Given the cardinal, "˜yin' nature of both the 10th and 4th houses, this would not, necessarily, be the signature of a very public person. It does suggest beginning a new evolutionary phase regarding the ability to discover one's own inner authority and, to experience the kind of influence or inspiration that this newly-recognized, inner-sovereignty may have over others - a kind of social awakening. Of course, the type of choices that result from the recognition of one's own inner authority (and the influence that one could have on a public level) would certainly be modified by the individual's evolutionary state.
Thanks all for the chance to learn with you.
in spirit,
marty
Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house: The current evolutionary intentions for the life revolve around learning the difference between internal and external security. In addition, The Soul will progressively develop an awareness of how the self-image has been conditioned by prevailing societal conditioning, the early childhood environment, and the social position, or career. In other words, all of external factors mentioned above have created an emotional security base. Self-reflection is a vehicle through which the Soul can become aware of the internal dynamics that have created this emotional security base. Active reflection creates a restructuring the self-image and emotional security base in such a way that the Soul learns to become self-secure without the trappings the social career or positions. The social role or career no longer defines the Soul as this evolution takes hold.
These lessons will be learned in the the family environment through the Soul's partner, children, or parents. The Soul will create the necessary life circumstances in which emotional shock can induce the necessary reflection upon the internal dynamics that are the cause of the emotional shock. The key within this is that if the Soul can positively respond to these difficult situations via self-responsibility and emotional maturity true emotional healing can take place. In some situations, the individual's right work and career is karmically blocked or denied to induce the necessary self-examination.
Guilt often enforces the necessary self-reflection as to become aware of the internal dynamics that have become outdated and crystallized. For example, the parent may neglect the existing family responsibilities due to obligations at the work place, and consequently never really get to the know their child. In a positive expression, the natural guilt that this situation creates can then create a restructuring of this dynamic as the Soul accepts responsibility in It's own actions. Another expression of the 4th house polarity point is when the individual's parents could not truly understand the individuality of the child. One or both of the parent's imposed their own standards of conduct, and may have negatively judged the individual in their early life. Consequently, the individual was thrown back on him or herself to enforce the necessary lessons of internal security.
As these core evolutionary intentions are embraced, these individual's can become exceptional parents and spouses who are able to provide true emotional nurturing, and can balance time spent honoring their social obligations with down-time spent with their family. In addition, the Soul can hold a meaningful social position without being overly identified by the position, and can encourage others to assume social positions in a responsible manner via self-determination.
As an example, the Great Paramahansa Yogananda has natal Pluto in the 10th house, and the polarity point in the 4th house. He lost his mother early in his life which had the effect of inducing a deep level of self-reflection at an early age. In his book "Autobiography of a Yogi" he describes how this emotional shock ultimately propelled him to seek the Divine Mother. He often spoke of great love for India which was his country of birth. As he grow into adult life, it became necessary for him to travel to other countries to share the wisdom of Self-Realization. Ultimately, he founded an organization called SRF in L.A, California in the the United States. This required that he "bring his homeland" with him wherever he went which symbolizes the internal security required of the 4th house polarity point. In addition, he founded and personally taught a school for young children in India. He developed a specialized curriculum which embodied a holistic approach to education and was a far departure from the conventional educational practices of the time. He designed curriculum which included every day meditation practices, learning through connection with Nature as well as the necessary academic components. He described this experience as playing the simultaneous role of "mother/father" to the children in the school which is reflected of the 4th house polarity point.
If you have any questions please ask now. Next step is to write out the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house in your own words. Thanks again for the time and effort those who are participating are putting into this thread!
Namaste
Deva
The 4th house is where we first feel the pangs of separation anxiety relative to the square to the ascendant (Aries) and the hallmark of this square "˜the crisis in action'. In order to move forward we must feel secure. So, the 4th house is where we meet the need to create some kind of support system or home where we can find security. It's no accident that this falls after the 3rd house experience of projecting ourselves onto our environments. In the 3rd house we were successful at times and in other moments we discovered the limitations of our influence on the environment. And this creates some pretty strong feelings of vulnerability. So now it is necessary to create "˜home'. A place of security in which we can nurture ourselves. Without this place, we continue on with dependency issues, with anxiety that just won't go away and without a sense of who we are relative to what is happening around us. The crisis is unresolved and we carry on without any internal barometer of provision. What happens without this provision? We wind up in the 10th house seeking provision and nurturing through the external trappings of success. We are the business man who will be crushed by retirement when he no longer has that identity to sustain him. We will be the aging woman bloated with botox, still trying to dress like she's 25, frantic inside because she no longer feels her power in a world of younger, more beautiful women. We will be the power-hungry politician who fears losing his influence because he feels like he is nothing without it. We end up alone, depressed and guilty. All that Pluto in the 10th house chases when it hasn't developed the 4th house polarity will eventually leave. It always does. And the guilt over having missed the point is like pouring salt into an already painful wound; the realization that Pluto in the 10th found authority in the world without any inner authority, without any real integrity.
The real Capricorn integrity shines through when the 4th house polarity has been developed. When we reach the 4th house we encounter our feelings, our vulnerability. This is where our truth lies, our integrity. These feelings that we often wish to avoid; we need to learn to accept them, to provide care, to take responsibility for them. This in no way suggests indulging them, which is actually the antithesis of supplying provisions to dealing with them. One way to tell if you are indulging or caring for your feelings is their lasting effect. Emotions that are indulged in tend to stick around and in many cases, grow. Provisions in place to deal with emotions will find them useful and passing once they have served their purpose (which is to keep us honest). The food of the 4th house (acceptance, affection, caring, responsibility) given freely to our vulnerable feelings will nourish and grow a state of internal security. A place of constant security and safety through which we can base our choices and our care of external situations and people is our integrity. This is the place where we are whole and undivided. When we don't have this cohesive foundation our integrity fractures, we splinter off into pieces looking for sources of security outside ourselves. And we will never find it there. Any failings of Pluto in the 10th house will thrust him back into the fourth house until he finally finds the provisions necessary to develop inner security and cohesion and to finally rest fully in his true home; in his integrity. There is no greater security than integrity. Functioning from the inner security of integrity the 10th house Pluto can finally operate through his inner authority and become highly functioning within the society he lives in. His integrity knows nothing less.
Hi Everyone,
Is there anyway to save work on here as we are typing it out? I just spent 2 hours typing something and when I was finally all done with it I hit the post button and it said my session timed out and I lost all my work. Normally I would be like ok that's cool lol but recently I have been experiencing some sort of form of dyslexia that I have never experienced before and it is making it extremely hard for me to read and write and even read things to others so I'm not going to lie I cried a little... suggestions would be really wonderful. Thank you
Heather
Hi Heather,
When that happens you can retrieve your work if you are careful. Instructions if you use a PC (Macs may be different):
a) When you hit the Post button, or the Preview button, and it says your session has timed out...
b) Immediately click the Back button for your browser, which is usually in the very top left corner of the screen, and is a left pointing arrow in Internet Explorer and Chrome.
c) This should take you back to how the screen looked before you hit the Post or Preview button, and usually all your typing will still be in the editing box.
d) Click anywhere in the editing box
e) On the keyboard press the Control key down, and hold it down.
f) Then press the "A" key
g) Release both keys
h) That should have selected (highlighted) all your text. You can also select it other ways (eg. by dragging over it with the mouse from top to bottom).
i) Then right-click in the editing box with the mouse, and a small menu will pop up.
j) Click on Copy
k) Now open Notepad (click on the START button, then type "Notepad" in the search box, and when it comes up in the results list, click on it) and right-click anywhere in the new document, and a small menu will pop up.
l) Click on Paste, and your text should be entered into the Notepad editing window. You can save that as a file on your hard disk (File menu/Save).
m) Restart a new session on the MB, and start again with editing (close your previous editing screen if it presents itself)
n) Copy and paste your text from the Notepad screen to the MB editing box.
o) You should now be back to where you were before you originally hit the Post button.
blessings Upasika
Upasika,
The only difference than what you described is when I hit post my roommates computer that I borrow occasionally when I am able to said "page can not be found" then it gave me two options to search for a new page or refresh... I knew I didn't want either of those options so I hit back button right away and that is when I was back on the message board with a red highlighted and empty message box with the message " your session has timed out" and all my work was gone...
I have never had this happen before... I guess I will have to find a way to save my work before I post...
Thank you so much for all the information
Heather
Hi Heather,
The best thing to do to avoid that is when you go to log in you click the box that says 'always stay logged in'. That way you can take as long as you need to write what you want to write without having to worry about the time.
God Bless, Rad
Hi Rad,
Ok thank you I will try what you suggested...
Heather
Hi Heather,
I've experience that also, so what i do now (because i tend to forget to do what Rad suggested when i log in) is i always select and copy what i wrote before i post it.
In this case if i get that message i just paste it right in. Other times, i just write on text edit and past it after.
Hope it helps, and you will find the courage and inspiration to go through it a second time, maybe even with new insights!
I also plan to write something in the meantime.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Thank you very much for the kind words of encouragement, yes I'm going to try again hopefully tomorrow if I can get my mind to corporate :)
Today is an eclipse so I guess my work got eclipsed and everything happens for a reason so maybe what comes to me will be new insight in what to write.
I look forward to your work as well as everyone's...
Heather
Hi Heather,
I've just tested it and Rad's suggestion is the best.
You only have to do this once, just once, on each different computer you use to access the MB, and then your sessions on the website will never time out after that, as you'll be permanently logged in. So it won't be a case of always trying to remember every time, just remember to tick the box "Always stay logged in" the next time you log in to your roommates computer and that's it - on that computer anyway, you'll always be logged in.
However, if you'd prefer that your room mate doesn't have access to the MB under your name, when you aren't using their computer, then you wouldn't want to stay permanently logged in on that computer. In that case you'll need to logout after every session, and then you would need to remember to tick the "Always stay logged in" box every time when you login on that computer.
Also, if you ever get in the situation you described above again (your session timed out), I'm pretty sure you were only one more click away on the Back button to being able to see your work again. So next time if that happens click the Back button a 2nd time (even a 3rd/4th time if necessary), and I think at some point you'll come to the screen the way it was before you hit the Post button.
blessings Upasika
Hi, Kerri. Yes, it is true that in order to make change we must be inwardly secure first as reflected by the 4th house polarity point. Self-nurturing then becomes essential. A key within the 10th house/4th house axis which you clearly describe is that strength lies within the vulnerability. In other words, emotional repression/suppression does not lead to internal security or emotional strength. Once the Soul becomes secure from within Itself, there is an ability to express vulnerability yet withstand the impact of negative judgments. In this way, the Soul can then interact within society in an authentic way. The self-image changes as it is no longer defined by external factors you have mentioned such as status, physical appearance, and social position. A positive self-image that is founded on self-authenticity, integrity, and worthiness manifests as this evolution takes place.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto Polarity Point 4th House:
When I think about the 4th house and its core dynamics the things that come to mind are...
The 4th house the Root of your emotional existence your emotional foundation the platforms you build your world from and around the Ego Lens through which you view your world or your emotional reality. The substance of emotional security. How these emotional platforms are conditioned through crystalized patterns of Saturn Capricorn and the 10th Archetype.
Coming from a place of inner emotional security and substance a metamorphoses of crystalized patterns of tradition and conditions of familial patterns one was born into is the heart of the 4th house. Security not being found in the Father the external world and the structures one finds themselves born into but coming from a place of our own inner emotional Mother. Our inner emotional compass that we are all born with naturally. Emphasis is then taken off the external world and redirected back through the emotional being.
When a Soul incarnates it starts its journey of being conditioned through the family of birth and through the external societies traditions rules and structures. In this environment one is learning to become aligned with the family and traditions of society but what if these patterns and traditions are not in true alignment with the Soul? What happens when the sources of external emotional security one is being taught to rely on by society and tradition are non existent? The parental environment is lacking or damaged in some way and the rules and structures of society don't provide emotional substance? This is when a Soul feels thrown back upon themselves 4th house to examine and contemplate on where they are coming from what they can rely on and how their emotional nature and the lens through which they view their world may have become crystalized in these traditions and even outdated in many ways. This is the place where one needs to build solid emotional foundations an honest assessment of there true emotional nature which may not be in alignment with the outside traditions and structures of society and the family. This is the space where one comes to find how they can stand on their own outside of all structures and support systems. With Pluto's polarity point being here this is the Metamorphoses of that "external taught" security and patterns. This will be especially true when one comes to find that these conditions of familial patterns are preventing a growth or metamorphoses of those inner emotional spaces. What if these conditions are actually preventing one from understanding who they truly are from the inside out? The 4th house is the space where the root of these things will be evaluated. One must come to find a space and place to understand whom they truly are at the deepest level.
In the example given, Yogananda went though many trials and tribulations in these inner spaces. When he was young his Mother was a source of comfort and emotional and spiritual support a platform for him and when he lost her these inner spaces came under deep evaluation which ultimately lead him to seek out the Divine Mother which to me is the deepest archetype of the 4th house, our inner compass to our Divine internal emotion the original platform of our inherent security. Yogananda learned to walk his own Path of Truth and Understanding outside of his family and even went through a sort of taunting and ridicule for the Path he chose from his own brother as well as he did not find the support from his Father in the way that he desired as well. Yogananda was thrown in upon himself to come to find the Root of his own emotional substance the foundation from which he built the rest of his life upon. Once he turned to the Divine love and nurturing inside himself then he let nothing take him from his Path of Truth and he found total security in himself through the Divine truth inside his own Soul Being.
The 4th house is about walking your own emotional truth outside of conditions of society or the family structures even if it means that you do this alone with no support from others. This is a hard path to walk on when all the things society tells you and the family has taught you become unreliable and sometimes just completely not even true or real. Your going to come from a place where others will not understand anything about you and the Path you are on, this is where the foundations of your emotional nature must be all your own where you build your foundation from the ground up. When these inner emotional structures are damaged or non existent or conditioned by crystalized patterns of society is where you will find some of the uglier manifestations of a 10th house Pluto. Once one learns to walk there own Emotional Truth and Understanding and to build solid foundations from these outside of all others is when the true essence and energy can be directed into the 10th house for the ultimate good of society. This is where one can truly lean to be responsible social beings and find there place in the external world when there foundations are built on inner dependence. We can never truly be responsible for anything outside ourselves if we are not responsible for ourselves first. Karmic patterns must be broken and reshaped remolded, if they are not then the broken patterns of your upbringing and society and emotional Karmic past and present can never change and metamorphosis. If these patterns are built upon broken foundations how can one ever truly be a supportive or loving parent? How can one truly have an external voice of authority in society based on something inherently good? Broken emotional foundations will only perpetuate the darker sides of Pluto in the 10th house.
It all comes down to Love and Acceptance of ones Self First. A life lived productively is one looking in not out.
Heather
Hi Trace,
First, we do not do personal charts on this mb. This message board does have it's own rules which are spelled out on the first page 'if this is your first visit'.
Second, to understand any birth chart from an EA point of view, it is essential to understand the whole chart: not just parts of it. Thus, the questions you are asking can only be right answered in the context of your whole chart. It is not uncommon for Soul's who have a 10th House Pluto to have the same orientation to it as you do. When that happens there will be evolutionary reasons for that which will be symbolized within the context of the whole chart.
God Bless, Rad
In order for evolution to continue, the 10th House/Capricorn Pluto soul must learn to embrace its polarity, the 4th House/Cancer.
The intention within the 4th House/Cancer is to find inner security. As it relates to the 10th House, there is an implied sense of security relating to career, social image and all manner of external depencies. To find inner security that is not dependent on that career or social image is the intention in the 4th House and Cancer. Among other issues, the 4th House/Cancer represents our self-image. Our self-image is formed by subconscious memories from other lives as well as the family environment and society we are born into. We are born into environments that best help our evolutionary intentions and karmic requirements. Often, in order to reinforce the evolutionary intentions implied in the 4th House/Cancer, the soul will experience difficulties, trauma, and emotional shocks related to family, partnerships and/or children. The intent in all of this is for the soul to turn inwards and reflect on the circumstances and reasons why these things are happening so that they can gain awareness and make necessary changes and adjustments towards a center of gravity that is rooted in themselves. These kinds of difficulties can also create a situation where the person feels isolated and alone, but paradoxically it is this kind of aloneness that can support the inner searching that hopefully results in awareness. In fact, during the life, it will be important for the person to pay attention to times when they should take action to have some alone time to reflect on what they are feeling, why they are feeling the way they are, and how their own actions have, and are, contributing to the present moment. As difficult as ever-changing emotions can be, they represent a pathway to the truth of who a person is as a separate and unique individual within the family or society. By learning to live and understand their emotions as much as possible, they will be co-operating with the evolutionary intention of finding inner security.
Feeling insecure is no fun, and taking steps to cooperate with the evolutionary intention of finding inner security can be difficult. The cardinal archetype of the 4th House/Cancer requires action. A couple of steps forward then one back is typically the way the evolutionary journey progresses. Within this, learning to live with insecurity is a valuable lesson, since it helps to develop trust in one's self. Trust in the self will be a very important vehicle through which dependency on outer structures is transformed into trust in the self. The more the person identifies with the new-found trust, the self-image will be transformed. Once the self-image is transformed, relationships of all kinds will grow to reflect the inner truth of a more secure and confident soul. At this point, if a career is lost or a partner leaves, or whatever outer structure or person the soul has been identifying with is removed, everything will be OK since dependency is now on themselves. A complete reformulation of the self-image has taken place.
When this kind of inner maturing takes place, the soul might just choose to leave a social position/career/family circumstances behind in order to focus exclusively on developing the inner source of security. If the soul has been co-operating with the evolutionary intentions of the 4th House/Cancer for many lifetimes and is consciously aware of what is needed in order to grow, they may be born into a family, or attract a partner who encourages and supports their emotional growth. In these circumstances, the person can move into social positions and careers that can have the effect of helping society in ways that correspond to the abilities they possess and can share with others. Instead of becoming emotionally dependent on success and the trappings associated with positions of power, they maintain a secure, inner center where they can function efficiently and honestly without feeling the need to manipulate or game the system. In other words, the career is no longer about them, and what it can do for them and their own outer security, it's more about what the soul can do for others.
Hi Deva and everyone,
i am on a trip right now, not able to access computer, i will be posting before Wednesday night, if you need to move forward, i will catch up when i am home for sure.
Thank you
Wei
Hi, Heather: Excellent application of EA! Yes, Pluto in the 4th reflects evolutionary intentions regarding internal emotional security. As a result, there are often difficult experiences of feeling very alone as emotional needs are not meet externally. As you state, this life experience can induce the necessary reflection upon where true security lies, e.g from within not without. In addition, as external security factors are actively removed, we are progressively guided towards the Divine and our "inner home."
Hi, DDD: Excellent application of EA! Yes, over time those with a natal Pluto of the 10th house can tire of their position and make choices to focus on the home or family life, development of internal resources, and emotional healing. This reflects the 4th house polarity point as the Soul must be internally secure to make these choices. As you stated, this evolution reflects the restructuring of the self-image as the Soul is no longer defined by the external factors previously mentioned. Great job!
Hi Deva and Everyone,
Pluto Polarity Point in the 4th House
When i first started to think about the capricorn archetype in order to better understand how pluto manifests in the 10th house, i mentioned the insecurity we can experience in the cardinal houses, the one step forward, two steps back, as Deva clarified, and was considering the apparent unbalance (i was to say paradox here but this seems a more accurate word) of the new phase being linked to a security feeling from social maturation. Since this still is roaming in my head as something to be addressed i will try to go from here into the polarity point.
In any polarity point, as we are taught in EA, we are referring to a relationship between the known feeling of security, the past and were we've been used to work so far to establish an identity, and an unknown future, the polarity point, the natural way for the past to evolve. Unless this relationship develops, we stagnate. And it will be this way for any symbol in our natal chart, a dynamic and/or tension relationship between past and future.
When we have a polarity point in a 4th house, the security we are used to work on comes from external sources, and that is why i feel this position can become from its very beginning very unstable, looking otherwise. Because nonetheless, for some or most pluto in the 10th house souls this won't be perceived as a reality, up until the moment some intense emotional experience occurs that forces one to look within.
In the 10th we have either visibility or invisibility, but in the 4th house we have only our inner self, the whole truth of it. In the place of this inner self, we can't dissociate from the ones most close related to us, and our upbriging, and that is why many pluto in the 10th house can have family relationships that contest one's true identity and authority since very small age. From here the child might learn that the only way to be heard and seen is by shutting down all emotion, conceal the real self, and further down the road apply the same principles to its own life and career, following rules or regulations that are not a reflection of a true self just to be successful or do it right (but in extreme cases can become actual delusions concearning personal identification with power), or refusing to have any social participation if some greater consciousness of this unbalance is present. Would it be right to say that the first would represent more the consensus state and the last the individuated or retrograde archetype, even if this dynamics can be seen through all the evolutionary stages at any given moment?
On a broader sense, i tend to see this axis 10th to 4th, impossible do separate from a wider context of the society we've been living in since the transition to patriarchy. It is part of all of our conscious/unconscious structure but it is certainly emphasised here. And my point is that apart from the moments in time were we have experienced relative peace and also more rural contexts even today still more centred in natural living or the case of a soul with greater spiritual consciousness aligned with natural law, with social representation and power has inevitably come an invitation for the soul to betray its own natural self and instead of giving, sharing and including, it has been invited to compete, take advantage of others and nature for it's own profit (the square from aries and libra) because this is how it has learned the system works, or, refusing this, be on the margins of mainstream society, blocked from applying its own talents and work capabilities on the right career. This is not an easy world for a soul feeling this way. And here would come the reason, the why of this natural polarity point - to induce reflection, withdraw in to the very essence, the very truth of its own reality, actions and forcefully responsibility for this actions. Responsibility, for the emotional body that feels one a core level all this tension, means in some cases to move away from a consciousness mostly identified with the external reality and to turn into the inner world, balancing both in an harmonic way, focusing also its desires in parenting, take care of loved ones (and also allowing being loved and cared for) respecting and encouraging their freedom and individuality, instead of controlling and restraining.
This balance point between the aries and libra square relative to capricorn, might also mean that one is invited to take the courage and responsibility to be itself, not fearing disapproval or wanting approval from close others and society, and do what feels right with self-determination for the soul to actualise its own work or career, according to natural talents, capabilities and desires. This way, it can be possible for the natural authority to shine within for all to see but it will not be the motive, it will be a natural consequence of the new phase beginning.
All the best,
Helena
Deva, thanks for the clarification. :) DDD PS I love the new MB look
hi Deva,
I would hope to have a response to your Practice Thread by tomorrow, if that's possible. Thanks for the opportunity.
- marty
With an inner security, the actions of the tenth house individual will transform from the need for approval and correctness, into a desire to manifest the internal, emotional foundations of the self into their behavior in the outside world. This can majorly transform the types of work that the Capricorn individual will perform - an example of this is John Lennon, who found immense fame through his work in the Beatles, yet discovered a more soulful resonance as a householder husband. This wasn't to say that he let go of his past and his work as a musician, but rather approched the same work from an inner foundation of authenticity (rather than expectation from the outside).
As written before, the 10th house individual will often experience the shallowness of trying to perfectly reflect the expectations of their social reality. Games of manipulation and the longing for positions of power (to satisfy just that) become shallow when they are not connected to the inner function of truth. With the fourth house, the kernel of safety demonstrated by an awareness of an individual's emotional reality acts as the foundation for that person's behavior, rather than a striving for personal power. On a grander scale, this inner seed connects the individual to the greater function of natural law, and at the later spiritual stages of evolution will reveal that individual as an exemplary of Source in society. It is with an awareness of the intrinsic security of the Soul that allows an individual to work fluidly and with pure knowing at the level of social and political action. This demonstrates the polarity of the 10th/4th house axis, in that working in service to anything outside of that inner sphere of service, is likely to be manipulated by an individual's unacknowledged emotional needs and very likely with the 10th house individual, a drive for power.
Cheers,
Edward
Thank you, Deva, for the opportunity to respond to: ""¦ the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house." I'd like to begin with your statement that:
"The Soul will create the necessary life circumstances in which emotional shock can induce the necessary reflection upon the internal dynamics that are the cause of the emotional shock. The key within this is that if the Soul can positively respond to these difficult situations via self-responsibility and emotional maturity true emotional healing can take place." - Deva
Pluto in the 10th house individuals may have spent lifetimes developing a consciousness and reality structure that is shaped by outside influences. They may over-identify with their job, title, or position in society. They may carry past-life conditioning of being in charge, and of having responsibility and authority. They may have very early-life memory of feeling important and finding it easy to influence other people, and they may expect to be highly regarded in their social arenas. This world-view, and their worldly strivings, may bring them a sense of security - that they have mastered many of life's circumstances - but only for a while.
When "˜success' doesn't happen, or when these individuals experience some degree of worldly achievement and, then have the rug ripped out from under them, again and again, it will cause them to take time and dig deep to find their deepest desires and motivations for life.
I've had many clients with Pluto-in-the-10th who can relate to the phrase, ""¦ they don't know who I am"¦", meaning that these individuals have cellular memory of being treated with respect, and when that doesn't happen they are truly mystified. There's no judgment in this, as we are all in varying degrees of "˜cycles of becoming', but the shock of not being recognized by our peers, or the outside world, allows for the opening to one's inner wisdom, and the beginning yearnings for deep, inner, emotional security to seep in.
Pluto-in-the-10th individuals may find it increasingly necessary to replace the need to strive, and get ahead in society, with the need to seek emotional highs-and-lows this lifetime. They may be born into a family where one, or both, parents expect them to be competitive and aspiring beyond their own inner sense of well-being. They may be born into a biological environment that compels them to over-achieve due to family legacy, tradition, or name. The pressures of such expectations could well lead an individual to self-destructive behavior or the need to withdraw from society altogether.
The 10th to 4th house axis is one of gender re-identification, in particular when it comes to Patriarchal conditioning. In learning to be strong, yet sensitive and caring, this polarity introduces all manner of cross gender exploration. Males may explore their feminine side, or they may learn to achieve a balance of male and female behavior and attitude. Females may explore extreme independence and/or the experience of living with another female, or just making it on their own. It is the soul's intention to explore all areas of loving and sexual expression in order to heal past egocentric identities, trauma and woundings. These realizations will allow for stronger, more balanced human emotion, and a more honest and complete life experience.
They may have been born into a biological environment in which one, or both, parents never recognized the child for their innate abilities and talents. The child may never feel that they are "˜good enough', or have gained the favor of either parent, no matter what they do or say. This would force the individual's subconscious (evolutionary intention) to seek their own well of strength, approval, and emotional growth for the sake of inner peace and survival.
Because all evolution takes place through the emotional body, these individuals will find it necessary, at some point, to re-examine their core desires when the old ways of relating to "˜acceptance' or "˜importance' just aren't working. This is the other side of reflection that we talked about with the 10th house (that one may be compelled to reflect on the degree of power or control that one may have held over others). The 4th house Pluto polarity point asks us to tune into our subjective voice that can only be experienced through the power of direct, and open, emotional honesty.
The 4th house reflection would be born of the need to find emotional healing when all attempts to find external security have simply failed. In short, these individuals will be seeking to develop the emotional body, over the course of their lifetime, which may have been suppressed in the pursuit of material gain. This somatic reflex can be slow and subtle. It is organic and biological (and just the other-side-of-the-coin of 10th house reflection). It takes time, breathing, and bodily patience to absorb.
In their search for deep, emotional security, these individuals may begin to re-examine their early biological environments, and their attachments (or lack thereof) to their parents and loved ones. Deva described the cardinal momentum as, ""¦two steps backward, and one step forward "¦.", and this would speak to one's desire to explore one's past familial environment in order to, ultimately, feel secure enough to move forward in the external world. The truth of our familial past can be emotionally charged and painful, but it is the best way to understand the directional truth that we seek on a soul level.
During the process of self reflection, we are allowed the opportunity to examine ourselves, and during the process of self-examination, our very subjective ego can begin the process of transmutation to a more mature, and healthier self- image. Any number of life experiences can bring us to our knees, so to speak, and the need to expand and mature our emotional nature. Through the process, we grow into greater self confidence, we may experience more harmonious relationships, and learn what it feels like to gain a respected role in society. As we evolve through integrating the language of feeling (the emotional body), we allow for emotional healing to begin, we can become better parents and caretakers, and we allow for the gravitation closer to our universal parents - Father/Mother God to take place.
Even though our upbringing and family relations should be very familiar to most of us, they can be unchartered waters to those who have Pluto in the 10th. Circumstances will, ultimately, arise that compel these individuals to feel the full range of human emotion, and through this cathartic period, they will, no doubt, revisit their infant and childhood emotional vulnerabilities. It is through the willingness to feel vulnerable that new strengths emerge that unite us with the rest of the human family.
In cases of extreme familial rejection and/or abuse, these individuals as infants, children, or young adults, may have to reach an "˜agreement' with their parent, guardian, or family members, in which they agree to not relate as a family, compelling the young person to seek direct communion with Father/Mother God. In this process, oftentimes, the young person will find an inner strength and reliance that they never knew they had, and may, in turn, grow to be a glowing inspiration of unconditional love and acceptance to young people, or adults, who are, subconsciously, seeking the same healing release from the deepest of all wounds - familial emotional trauma and betrayal.
Thank you for the opportunity to learn with you all,
- marty
Helena: Excellent application of EA! What you wrote accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the 4th house Pluto polarity point. The insecurity you point out, in my view, reflects the over identification with the external factors we have previously described such as career, social position, cultural standards, etc. In other words, security is linked with these external factors. The internalization of security symbolized by the 4th house polarity point does create a inner security base from which we can express ourselves with authenticity. This does include gender assignment. The natural laws you write about and the impact of social conditions, e.g, during times giving, sharing, and inclusion was modeled and encouraged by society is an important aspect of the 10th house/4th house aspect.
Edward: Yes, internalized security leads to the ability to interact within society via self-honesty and integrity. When the Soul is not overly identified with the career or social position the risk of manipulating the social system for self-gain is transmuted. In addition, the social position will be used to serve others rather then to acquire social power. The example of John Lennon reflects the 4th house polarity point in that he no longer identified with his social position from en egocentric point of view. In this way, he was able to transition into becoming a "house husband" and repair wounds within the family dynamic specifically with his son. Great job!
Marty: Thanks for contributing to the practice thread. If I understand you in the way you intend, the 4th house polarity reflects that the Soul is moving towards internalizing the need for respect and authority. In other words, this will not be linked with the external factors of life rather by inner authenticity, self-respect, and developing inner authority. In this way, the the Soul will discover that it is not one's external role or life circumstances that determines these core dynamics but rather developing these qualities from the inside out. Is this correct? Also, just to clarify, the cardinal archetypes typically manifests as two steps forward, one step back. Again, this is due to the insecurity of the initiated change.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Deva I have been wondering about " emotional repression" and had a couple of questions regarding that topic...
Repression is a Saturn Capricorn 10th house archetype
Detachment is a Uranus Aquarius 11th house archetype
My question is what archetypes rule over "Emotional Repression" and "Emotional Detachement" and what is the difference between Emotional Repression and Emotional Detachement?
Is emotional repression different from emotional detachment in that a person with emotional repression would not clearly see they are emotionally repressed and that repression may cause turmoil with others but someone who is emotionally detached is observing it from a distance can clearly see this about themselves and are honoring their true nature but still may observe turmoil from others expectations on how they should be?
I feel a lot of what I am asking is falling between the 10th/4th house polarity so I'm bringing it up here....
Thank you,
Heather
Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house:
The evolution intent for Pluto 10th house Soul is to find their social position/career/security reflect their inner self-image, letting go of the compulsive desire of being validated/recognized by mainstream standards/rules/customs, develop the inner security that is not dependent on social position/career/role/relationships with powerful others, or need to overpower others, control the environment. Each Soul has it's individuate structure, each life time, Soul create certain Ego structure to facilitate its evolution, PPP in 4th house ask the Soul to learn the definition of success is different for everyone, only when a career/role is connected with their self-image/emotional needs, Pluto 10th house Soul can truly feel the fulfillment. Within the water trinity, Cancer correlates to our self-image/emotion/emotional body, Soul (Scorpio) evolve through emotional body on earth life, by allow themselves to be vulnerable, to have needs, to fully experiences their emotions/grief, they can gradually tune into their Soul's desire (Scorpio), make adjustments/choices according to their feeling and emotional needs, learn to work and live at their own pace, to really live at the moment, instead of constantly trying to accomplish goal after goal, in this process, they will understand they are Co-creator, the vocation come through them from the Source (Pisces), when they are tuning into their true identity, life will flow naturally, they can let go of control, by doing their work in this new way, they can develop inner authority and inner security because the role/career/position reflect how their soul built them to be in this lifetime, thus that security/satisfaction/authority will not be taken away. By learning nurturing their own emotional needs, as a social figure, they will be able to nurture the community, create family warmth within their work function.
Because of Past life karmic conditions, Pluto 10th house Soul are usually born into family that their emotional needs can't be met, or they are not allowed/heavily judged when they express any emotion, also the judgment reflect mainstream man made law. At certain point in their adulthood, they will need to re-access their inner child and learn to nurture those unmet emotional needs. Also by forming their own family especially being a parent, nurturing their children's need, or recognize their children's true identity unrestrained by mainstream standards, in this way they will constantly been pushed to examine their own emotional needs and why of their emotions/grief, learn to recognize their true identity.
By embracing PPP, they are in a process of going back to feminine law (Cancer) of inclusion, nurturing, that will adjust their base of judgment, they will understand the true natural power is love, is from within their Soul which origin is the Source itself, and as a social role they can restructure their environment even structure of mainstream society.
Hi, Heather: Great question! Yes, your correlations are correct. In my view, emotional repression is a dynamic in which natural emotional expression is "held back" or "blocked." Remember that whatever becomes repressed becomes distorted. Emotional detachment is a dynamic in which the Soul attempts to separate itself from an emotion that is being felt. There are a variety of reasons for this: one being a response a traumatic event. Yes, positively this can lead to objectivity.
Hi, Wei. Everything you wrote accurately reflects the current life's evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house. Great job! Yes, there is a healthy "inner child" within all of us no matter how old we get. The key, as you expressed, is that this "inner child" as matured through the core evolutionary dynamics previously described. In other words, through self-security and providing self-nurturing the 10th house Pluto is able to express natural and healthy emotions.
Hi, all. I wanted to post an excerpt from the book "Structures of the Soul" as it illustrates the core EA principles of the EA paradigm that we want to practice on this thread. Please read through this material and ask any questions you may have now. Once you have had a read and ask questions we will move on to the next step which is the South Node.
Namaste
Deva
From the book Structures of the Soul:
Pluto's House, Sign, and Polarity Point
Pluto's house and sign placement describe two simultaneous phenomena. On
the one hand, the natal position of Pluto correlates to the generational
vibration that a person comes in with. The natal position of Pluto and
its South Node by house, sign, aspects to it, and the location of its
planetary ruler by house, sign, and aspects to it correlate to the
specific individual Soul dynamics, patterns in identity association,
implied from the evolutionary past: the desires, beliefs, thoughts,
perceptions, values and orientation to reality itself.
On the other hand, the natal position of Pluto points to the
evolutionary desire, intent, or cause of this life as seen in Pluto's
opposite house and sign that reflects and is symbolized by the North
Node of Pluto by its house and sign location, aspects to it, and the
location of its planetary ruler by house, sign, and aspects to it.
Whether the individual is conscious of this intent or not does not
matter because the Soul, not the ego or personality, is the ultimate
causal factor, or determining force, behind each life. The lesson will
occur in some way through evolutionary necessity. If we are conscious of
the intent for this life we can foster it through cooperation and
non-resistance. As the life unfolds the inherent patterns of identity
association, seen in the natal position of Pluto and its South Node,
will be reborn to a new level of expression described by Pluto's
opposite house and sign that is caused by the North Node of Pluto by its
house, sign, and location of its planetary ruler by its own house, sign,
and aspects to it.
The implied limitations of the past will be experienced in some way so
that the evolutionary point will transmute these limitations into new
levels or horizons of awareness and expression. When we link these
principles to the coexisting desires inherent in the Soul, we will see
that there is an implied tension between the past, present and future.
The potential for internal conflict is enormous. The desire for
separateness can lead to an effort to maintain the past, while the
desire for return to the Source promotes a focusing on the future (the
polarity point of Pluto). The tension or conflict, if there is
subconscious resistance, occurs in each moment of our lives.
Some simple examples will illustrate these principles. The sign that
Pluto is in, e.g. Pluto in Leo, represents the generational vibration
that we come in with. Pluto was in Leo from 1937 to 1958. Obviously,
millions were born with Pluto in Leo. In general, this generation has
natural desires and pre-existing orientations for creative
self-actualization. Pluto in Leo individuals need enough freedom to
actualize, in a creative way, their own unique purpose for living.
This need implies a deep self-orientation, a more or less narcissistic
orientation to life. Pluto in Leo implies a creative generation that
needs to be in charge of their own lives, and able to take destiny by
the hands and create it out of the strength of their own wills. Yet, the
polarity sign for the generation is Aquarius. As a generation then, they
must realize Aquarian lessons that involve developing an awareness of
the whole, of humanity, versus an awareness of just themselves.
By developing this awareness, the generation could then creatively
realize their specific purposes by linking their work or identities to
the socially relevant needs of the whole. This process demands evolving
an attitude of objectivity versus subjectivity, of detachment versus
over-involvement with personal concerns. We are rapidly moving toward
the Aquarian Age. Is it only coincidence that the Pluto in Leo
generation will progressively assume positions of social power in the
next few decades?
In general, all Pluto in Leo people must learn Aquarian lessons. The
specific house placements of Pluto will begin to indicate the specific
and individualized lessons for each person. An example: Pluto in Leo in
the 9th house. Let's say this person, in a prior life, desired to
understand life in a cosmological, metaphysical, or religious context by
intuitively sensing that there was more to reality than meets the
tactile senses. Commonly this individual, from a prior-life point of
view, needed to initiate a wide variety of experiences in order to
discover or realize the knowledge that she or he was seeking. This need
or desire became part of the individual's own creative
self-actualization process from an evolutionary point of view. The
individual would come into this life with not only a highly developed
intuition, but also a rigid organization of reality (beliefs) that
reflected the desire for self-understanding in a cosmological sense.
The polarity point would be the 3rd house and the sign Aquarius. Simply
stated, the general Aquarian lessons mentioned above would be learned
through 3rd house kinds of experiences. Thus, the individual would
necessarily experience internal and external philosophical and
intellectual confrontations in order to realize the limitations of his
or her own organization of reality (beliefs). This does not necessarily
imply that those beliefs are wrong, but that they are limited. The
individual would progressively learn that the paths to truth (9th house)
are relative, and thus learn to communicate in a variety of ways
depending on the people or circumstances encountered.
Keep in mind how the two coexisting desires in the Soul, and the
potential tension or conflict, can impact on this illustrated process.
As an example, it would be very common for this individual, coming into
this life, to defend the personal beliefs and the organization of
reality relative to those beliefs. The individual commonly would attempt
to convince or convert other people to his or her own point of view. The
need to defend reflects the desire to maintain separateness. On the
other hand, the desire to evolve, or grow, leads toward the intellectual
or philosophical confrontation implied in the 3rd house polarity. The
interaction of these dual desires, and the resulting behavior, will be a
primary theme underlying the individual's entire life. The potential for
tension and conflict reflected in these dual desires of the Soul can be
equated with the basic psychological phenomenon of attraction and
repulsion. We can be attracted to the very thing that we are repulsed
by, or we can be repulsed by the very thing that we are attracted to.
In the above example the Soul intends or desires to evolve. This is
demonstrated, again, by the polarity point of the natal position of
Pluto. As this desire reflects itself through the consciousness of the
individual (ego), the individual is attracted to intellectual or
philosophical discussions. Yet this very attraction will guarantee,
because of the implied limitations from the evolutionary past,
intellectual or philosophical confrontations with other people. The
individual will experience his or her own philosophical or intellectual
limitations because of these confrontations which will ignite the
dynamic of repulsion through these experiences.
In terms of behavior, the individual will alternately attempt to
convince or convert others to their personal point of view, or withdraw
altogether from this kind of experience to avoid dealing with this
perceived and experienced conflict. Withdrawal creates an internal
volcano of confrontation that induces intuitive thoughts or ideas that
directly challenge the pre-existing beliefs or philosophical orientation
that the individual brought into this life. Because the Soul (Pluto)
desires to evolve (3rd house) it will lead the individual into
conversations with others in order to effect the necessary challenges
that allow for a transmutation of existing beliefs. In other words, the
individual will subconsciously be attracted to, and thus draw to them,
those kinds of people who will have this effect upon his or her beliefs
and philosophical orientation.
As this process unfolds throughout life, the individual may come to
realize the evolutionary lessons involved and acknowledge the relativity
of his or her own point of view. At this point they could participate in
philosophical and intellectual discussions in a non-defensive way,
learning from as well as teaching others. The individual would learn to
understand and respect individual differences in beliefs, philosophies,
religions and intellectual organization. Conversely, the individual may
succeed in repulsing the evolutionary pressure or intent. In this case,
the behavior would manifest in defensiveness and rejection of anyone who
did not agree with his or her own point of view. This
attraction/repulsion dynamic linked with the dual desires inherent in
the Soul will manifest in any natal house position of Pluto.
Allow yourself to take a few moments to reflect on your own natal
position of Pluto to see this principle operating in your own life. From
an ultimate point of view, repulsion will automatically be a consequence
of any desire and attraction to anything other than to return to the
Source.
From a purely psychological point of view, Pluto correlates to the
deepest emotional security patterns in all of us. These security
patterns are unconscious. Most of us automatically gravitate to the path
of least resistance. The patterns in identity association that are
carried over from the evolutionary past are directly linked to the path
of least resistance and, therefore, to our security needs at an
unconscious level. The past represents familiarity and that which is
known. Our lessons, or the evolutionary intent described by Pluto's
polarity point are not known. They are the unknown, the uncharted. The
unknown as described by our evolutionary intentions directly challenges
that which is known or familiar, and therefore challenges our security
at the deepest possible level: the Soul, our core.
How many of us are aware of our security needs at an unconscious level?
How many of us are aware of how these patterns and needs control or
dictate our behavior? I think most of us would agree that many of us are
not. If this is true, then how many clients are aware of these patterns?
Again, not many. These deep-seated security needs drive us to approach
certain areas in life in exactly the same way over and over again. These
areas are specifically linked to the natal position of Pluto. If we
remain stuck in the old way (the past) for security reasons, problems
will arise in these areas because the Soul in each of us desires to grow
and evolve.
The natal position of Pluto represents an area of natural gravitation
for security reasons and is thus given tremendous power. Pluto implies a
compelling force to maintain that area (house and sign) in the familiar
ways of operating: the past. This compelling force can be called
compulsion or obsession if the resistance (desire) is strong enough. The
strength of the resistance determines the magnitude of problems or
confrontations experienced in Pluto's natal house and sign position.
Because the evolutionary force of the Soul is to grow, the individual
will either experience cataclysmic growth (evolution) because of the
problems experienced through resistance to the evolutionary intent or
slow, yet progressive growth because of the relative non-resistance to
the evolutionary intent. These areas of natural gravitation will be the
stumbling blocks to the individual's development and growth. The intense
degree of power and identification of Pluto (the Soul) is the cause of
the problem. Because Pluto represents an essentially unconscious
process, the individual is basically unaware of the motivational
patterns of the Soul, and may feel stagnated, frustrated, or wonder why
the same lessons, the same mistakes, the same kind of relationships, the
same problems occur over and over again. Eventually the person may ask
the questions, "Why am I here?" - "What am I supposed to be doing?" -
and "What can I do about these things?" These questions are a natural
response to the desire for ultimate identification with the Creator,
although the individual may not recognize it as such.
At this point, the astrologer can indicate ways to help the individual
become freer and more growth-oriented. Once the person becomes aware of
the problems, motivations, needs, desires, attitudes and security issues
dictating his or her experiences, the necessary changes may occur: if
the individual desires to initiate them. Everything begins with desire.
Again, the path to change rests in the polarity point of Pluto by house
and sign. As change begins to occur there will be an automatic
redefinition, evolution, and evolution in the natal house of Pluto. The
individual will approach that area differently and will be reborn at a
new level through death of the old behavioral patterns.
We can take these ideas about Pluto and apply them to anyone. Through
observing and listening to the client, and analyzing the chart, we can
determine the reality of that person as it exists for them. The ways in
which we communicate or express these principles to another person are
determined by the individual's level of understanding. It is extremely
important to understand a person's evolutionary past. In the many years
that I have been doing astrological charts I have observed that 75-80%
of any individual's behavior is directly conditioned by the past. Even
modern psychologists refer to "˜unconscious forces' or "˜memories' that
influence the thoughts, feelings, moods and desires in our subjective
consciousness. It is important to understand the past because it
explains the here and now, why this kind of life, and for what reasons.
It explains everything from the point of view of evolutionary necessity
and karmic causes. Why this parent, this lover, this experience, why
these conditions in my life, and so forth.
By understanding that we are in charge of that which we have been, are,
and are in the process of becoming, we have choices at every step, and
at every moment, in our lives. The choices are reflected in our desires,
and desire determines everything that occurs, individually and
collectively. By understanding life in this way, we can more thoroughly
understand the "˜lessons' that we must learn. We can understand the "˜why'
of those lessons, and by so doing, create a willingness to accept, not
resist, these lessons because of the knowledge gained about the past
causes. If you are a student of astrology these ideas can lead to the
objective understanding of these issues in your own life. If you are an
astrological counselor, then you may be able to use these ideas on your
client's behalf.
Why is it a common experience to have a difficult time during the first
Saturn return? The first 28-30 years of life are spent living out the
conditions represented by the evolutionary and karmic past. As the
Saturn return approaches, the individual commonly begins to feel
restricted, frustrated, or depressed by the reality or conditions of his
or her life. The Saturn return is a natural growth period that is a
condensed reflection upon the past and, therefore, accelerated because
of the new evolutionary cycle that is in the process of emerging.
As Saturn comes closer and closer to its natal position, the individual
experiences two simultaneous states: a sense of restriction, frustration
and depression based upon the old conditions (karmic heredity), but also
the emerging instinctive sense of needing to redefine and recreate the
life conditions. In other words, the past and future (the evolutionary
intent of the Soul) begins to collide in each moment of the individual's
life. As the evolutionary forces converge upon the existing reality
(security) that is defined by the past (Pluto), the individual is
presented with extremely important choices that will determine the
experiences of the next 28 years.
Of course there are other planetary cycles that influence this natural
evolutionary process. Saturn has a natural 7 year cycle within the
complete 28 year cycle. Jupiter has a 12 year cycle of growth and
expansion. The nodal axis of the Moon has a natural 18 year cycle,
Uranus forms a square to itself at 21 years of age, an opposition
between 39 and 42, another square at 63, and returns at approximately 84
years. Neptune forms a square to itself at 42 years of age. Depending on
its elliptical path, Pluto can also form a square to itself during the
life of an individual. During these natural cycles the evolutionary
forces relative to the future are accelerated relative to the conditions
represented by the past. Those evolutionary forces represented by the
past define the total reality of the moment both individually and
collectively.
Creation is in a continual process of birth, death and rebirth. We can
observe this natural evolutionary process all around us: from the
changing seasons to the solar system and universe beyond. So it should
not be so surprising to consider that all of us are part of this
process. To understand the past is to understand the moment. This
understanding allows for positive choices relative to our individual and
collective futures. We can help ourselves, and we can help humanity and
the Earth in doing so. The natural cycles of evolutionary acceleration
allow for maximum growth opportunities. If those opportunities are
resisted because of the cumulative forces of the past, then the
potential for cataclysmic phenomena exists.
Pluto and the Nodal Axis
Most astrologers have learned that the South Node of the Moon represents
a composite of issues, i.e. value systems, beliefs, needs and so forth
from the past that are relied upon or gravitated to in this life. We
have also learned that the North Node of the Moon represents lessons to
be learned in this life. A few professional astrologers insist that this
correlation is wrong, that the North Node is the past and the South Node
the future. Despite the insistence of these few, historical observations
over centuries validate the correlation of the South Node with the past
and the North Node with the future. Based on my own observations over
many years, and reading thousands of charts, history seems to be
correct. Meditate on these symbols in your own chart, and then reflect
on your own life, and I think this correlation will be born out.
The relationship between the North and South Nodes and Pluto is very
important. We have correlated Pluto to desires based on evolutionary
factors. The natal position of Pluto describes the preexisting patterns
in identity association that the individual naturally gravitates to in
this life. The South Node describes, from a prior life point of view,
the mode of operation that allowed the individual to actualize or
fulfill the desires or intentions described in the natal position of
Pluto.
A simple example using the 9th house Pluto discussed earlier will
illustrate this point (see Chart 1). Let's put the South Node in the 7th
house. The individual's desire to understand his or her life in a larger
cosmological context would be the essence of the life. With the South
Node in the 7th house, how would we expect the person to actualize or
fulfill that desire? From a prior life point of view, the mode of
operation would have led to the initiation of many kinds of
relationships through which the individual was seeking the knowledge
implied by the 9th house Pluto.
Relationships would typically be formed with others who could serve as
"teachers" to the individual. These prior patterns imply a dependency on
that kind of orientation coming into this life. Thus, the person would
tend to draw, through relationships, others to them who would attempt to
convince or convert that person to their points of view. In this way,
the individual would have collected a variety of teachings from a
variety of people. Which one is right, which one wrong? Is one more
right than the other? Are they all wrong? These are questions this
person might now be asking. In this case the North Node, the mode of
operation, would be in the 1st house, and Pluto's polarity point in the
3rd house. What are the evolutionary lessons here? Simply stated, the
individual would acknowledge the relativity of varying points of view,
yet by using the mode of operation symbolized by the 1st house North
Node, learn to develop his or her own voice, own identity, own vision,
own knowledge, and would learn to ask and answer questions from within
the self. This transformation would then progressively, yet totally,
change the approach and orientation to relationships. Rather than
depending on teacher-type relationships, they would subconsciously want
to become the teacher. Further down the road the individual would desire
a situation of equality in a relationship.
Both partners would then be simultaneously student and teacher to each
other by encouraging mutual independence in each. Let's take the same
9th house Pluto and put the South Node in the 1st house (Chart 2). The
polarity point of Pluto remains in the 3rd house.
The mode of operation to actualize or fulfill the evolutionary intent of
Pluto is the 7th house North Node. The bottom line is still the 9th
house Pluto and the desire for the individual to understand him/herself
in a larger cosmological context. From a prior-life point of view, the
individual fulfilled that desire by maintaining independence and freedom
from involvement in relationships in order to initiate whatever
experiences that he or she deemed necessary in order to fulfill the
desire for cosmological knowledge. The individual was dependent only
upon the self. They would come into this life with the ability to ask
and answer his or her own questions. It is from exactly this orientation
that the evolutionary limitations and intentions are reflected. Yes, the
individual is learning the lessons of intellectual and philosophical
beliefs symbolized by the 3rd house polarity point of the 9th house
Pluto. Yes, the individual is destined to experience intellectual or
philosophical confrontations with others in order for this lesson to
occur. How will this lesson occur specifically?
Through the 7th house North Node. The Soul of this individual would
desire and need to be in relationships in this life. The individual will
also be required to give to others, and must learn how to listen to
other people in order to understand and identify another's reality as it
exists for them. In this way they will be giving to another what is
needed from the others point of view (North Node in 7th, polarity point
of Pluto in the 3rd house) versus giving to others from the individual's
own reality (South Node in the 1st, 9th house Pluto). Commonly this
individual, when disposed to be involved with people at all from a
prior-life point of view, would have been the teacher.
They would have needed to be perceived by others as a leader, as
special, because of the knowledge that the individual presents (9th
house Pluto, South Node in the 1st). Because Pluto's 3rd house polarity
point will lead to philosophical or intellectual confrontation in order
to expose the limitations of the individual's own belief structure, the
7th house North Node creates a mode of operation through which the
individual will also be taught by other key individuals on a cyclical
basis throughout life.
Gradually, through confrontations, the individual will learn that he or
she can learn from others. In addition, the individual will come to
realize that he or she must learn how to be in relationships as an
equal, that relationships are essential to his or her evolutionary
growth.
With this understanding, the individual will also realize, just as the
person with the South Node in the 7th house did, that equality will
occur through encouraging the independent self-actualization of the
partner. The South and North Nodes thus correlate to the modes of
operation that help the individual fulfill the evolutionary necessities
and desires. The 9th house Pluto was used in both examples. Yet the
modes of operation, past and present, needed to fulfill those 9th house
desires were diametrically opposed. This principle can be applied to all
combinations of Pluto and the nodal axis.
Hi Everyone,
Deva,
If desires are the mode of transportation through which a Soul continues to evolve what happens when a person has no desires for anything anylonger, they have become suspended in a sence there is no past or future, everything has become nothing but empty space the thoughts suspended like time is non exhistent....
Heather
Very helpful excerpt and examples, Deva😊 Thank You!
May I know why the positions of Pluto's South and North Nodes were not taken into account in the analysis of Pluto in the example chart. In the example given, SNode of Moon in the 1st with Pluto in the 9th is said to be indications of a teacher in the past... how would, for example, an 8th house Pluto's SN add to this analysis? And would not the NN of Pluto be very important in pointing to us the direction our soul ultimately wants to evolve towards? What if in the example given NN of Pluto is also in the 1st(as is the SN of Moon that Soul is wanting to evolve from)?
Thanks!😊
Hi, Heather. From my view, the question you are asking is relative the progressive exhaustion of separating desires from the Soul as the Soul begins to unite/merge with the Universal Source. This is addressed in the Book "The Holy Science" by Swami Sri Yukteshwar. Again, the intention of the practice thread is to apply the EA paradigm.
Hi Priya: The reason the planetary nodes are not included in the examples yet is that we are going step by step through the EA paradigm, and using the planetary nodes now is jumping the gun. Planetary nodes will be included further down the line as we progress through each step of the EA paradigm.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you Deva
Heather
Deva,
thank you for the time you take to teach us. I enjoy reading all the varied responses. what a great group and opportunity.
in spirit,
marty
Hi, all. I am writing to ask if you have any questions about the posted examples and/or about the 4th house polarity point. If, not I will post a simple example of Pluto in the 10th house and a South Node in the 3rd house in order to illustrate how to apply the core principles we have reviewed so far. I will also include the evolutionary states/conditions to demonstrate how the evolutionary state of the Soul will determine how the main "theme" or core archetypes symbolized by Pluto in the 10th house and South Node in the 3rd house will be expressed an an individual context. As JWG taught no one size fits all, and can only be applied accurately within a given context.
I recommend to review the Pluto in Gemini/3rd house as it illustrates the Gemini/3rd house archetype. From there, apply those correlations in the context of the South Node, and the past egocentric structure of the Soul that was created in order to consciously actualize the core evolutionary desires/intentions of the past symbolized by Pluto in the 10th house.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva, all clear so far. Thanks. DDD
Hi All
Please read Pluto in the 3rd house/Gemini in the Pluto vol 1.book as it reviews the third house/Gemini archetype. Then, write out in your own words how the egocentric structure of the Soul has actualized the desires of Pluto in the 10th house.
In other words, What type of egocentric structure did the Soul create in order to actualize the core desires symbolized by natal Pluto in the 10th house? Simply, stated the Soul has created an egocentric structure that is founded on the need to collect a diversity of facts, information and data from the external environment. This is reflected by the 3rd house/Gemini/Mercury archetype. The nature of the information that the Soul will want to collect is relative to the core desire to understand how society is structured, the prevailing cultural norms, taboos, customs, etc. and to establish a personal voice of authority within society. In other words, prior to the current life, the Soul has collected a variety of information from the external environment in order to understand how society functions in order to establish a personal voice of authority within that society.
The Soul will have an innate ability to communicate this information with others as well. As mentioned previously, the Evolutionary condition of the Soul will determine how these core themes have been expressed. Please review the Evolutionary Conditions of Soul using this link: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/essence-of-ea/the-four-evolutionary-states
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, the Soul will collect information from those in positions of social authority in order to progressively advance within the social strata. In other words, information in used in order to create the necessary knowledge of how to progress to higher levels of social position. For example, the Soul may learn what is required in order to become a certified in an given field, or progress to higher position. The Soul will have an innate capacity to communicate this knowledge with others.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, The Soul will collect information that is alternative, or outside of the mainstream society. For example, astrology, hypnotherapy, and non-traditional education are all fields that are concerned alternative by the mainstream. This information serves to promote the need to individuate and de-condition from the mainstream society. Liberation from the mainstream society occurs through the collection of alternative information. This information becomes a vehicle through which the Soul establishes a personal voice of authority within the alternative group or movement within society. The Soul will naturally desire to bond with others of like mind who hold this same value and attitude.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, the Soul will collect information that pertains to understanding the structure, or foundation, of spiritualization and evolution through union with the Source. In other words, information of a timeless and universal nature becomes the basis of integration within the societal structure, and the development of a personal voice within society. The Soul will naturally gravitate to various spiritual writings and teachers which communicate principles that are universally experienced and will be true regardless of the passing of time. The Soul will have an innate capacity to communicate this knowledge with others. As an example of a Soul in this evolutionary state, Yogananda has Pluto in the 10th house, and South Node in the third house. He established a spiritual organization called SRF which spread timeless teachings through various writings and lectures, and also wrote books centered around Divine communion.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva,
thank you, i will follow with the assignment shortly.
Just a question, should we include a reflection of the different evolutionary conditions, separately?
All the Best,
Helena
Hi, Helena. Thanks for posting your question. As in the example above please include the evolutionary states in your own example of Pluto in the 10th house and South Node in the 3rd house. The specific evolutionary state of the Soul will determine how the core archetypes described above are expressed in an individual context. It is not necessary to write out a review of the Evolutionary Conditions separately, but rather apply it through the example that we are working on in the practice thread.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in the 10th South Node of the Moon in the 3rd
Information/Knowledge is Power... Endless Possibilities
Regardless of the Evolutionary State we are going to be looking at a Soul who is coming into this life with past lives revolving around the powerful need to learn, take in information, communicate and share their information with others. The 3rd house Mercury and the sign Gemini all correlate to the desire to take in and collect a much information, facts, figures and data as possible through the environment, an endless curiosity that makes them a mental sponge taking in all stimuli from the outside world. The world of information and learning can be an endless need with this placement taking in as much information as the world has to offer but how much information can one truly hold onto? How much of the information taken in is actually perceptually experienced and understood, can they actually apply the information in the external environment? When ridged structures are built around this information taken in becomes limited in some way is probably where you would see a 10th house Pluto Soul learning their biggest lessons. Where one would be continually challenged to grow.
With Pluto in the 10th and the South Node in the 3rd there will be a desire for the Soul to share their knowledge and information with others as well as exert authority over others. How this plays out in the external world really depends on so many other factors but here you could see many with abilities as writers, data analysts, speakers, politicians, singers, preachers, news spokesperson, military leader the list is probably endless with the South Node in the 3rd as to the possibilities that could be generated. How this does play out for any individual can look so different when we do consider the Evolutionary State of the Soul.
With Pluto in the 10th we are talking about a Soul that has a deep security and attachment to structure and with the South Node in the 3rd the facts figures and information to back up this structure where the Soul ultimately feels security. This placement for someone in the Consensus stage of evolution would probably live in a rather rigid reality one that is heavily conditioned by the structures it was born into within the family as well as the external country of birth and those rules and social conditions. This could be the eternal college student with many different degrees or the local librarian where the endless taking in of information and categorizing creates a feeling of growth and movement in a way as well a security structures built around knowledge. It reminds me of when I was much younger how my Mother, whom has Saturn conjunct her midheaven, was always adhering to the local law of the land where that was the word there was no deviation. When I was younger I would sometimes use words that were seemingly made up to her, they would just come to me out of nowhere, and she used to ride me about this. One day she got in quite a tizzy over a word that I was using and she pulled out her pride and joy, a 1960s Webster Dictionary, and slammed it down on the counter and was like you show me, you show me where that word is in the dictionary. Well it turns out that the word was used in the early 16th century but had fallen out of use and the word did in fact mean exactly how I was using it instead of the word she was trying to force me to use. She in the end was like well it's not in my dictionary as the word used "now". She couldn't deviate from the Law of her 1960s Webster dictionary and the funniest part is that the word I was using is Agreeance which means Agreement. You can easily feel how this placement could lead to the mentality of a dictator who rigidly adhered to the laws of the facts and figures of the land in the Consensus reality.
In the Individual State you could see how this placement might lead to someone who is quite argumentative and radical in their mindset. This could be the quintessential protester/anarchist the one who goes around collecting radical information just to blow up Consensus "reality". They might be quite advanced in New Age techniques and offer alternative views which they would not be shy in sharing. Possibly a spokes person for New Age Movements like an animal rights activist or someone who is developing new technologies for energy conservation.
In the Spiritual State this would be a Soul who has incarnated into this life with an unimaginable knowledge system already in place. Someone who has long broke with Consensus traditions of facts figures and rigidly held knowledge information systems. Someone who has also left behind the need to rebel the Consensus as a radical Individual but rather someone who has taken in and purged all unnecessary information to come to the Ultimate Understanding. This Understanding and Knowledge base would be born outside of any ridged structures but actually in alignment with Timeless Knowledge and Understanding of Natural Law. They would feel deeply the absolute need to share this timeless knowledge with others to teach to share this Understanding to help others Evolve back to the Source. In this state I feel you would not see this Soul as projecting themselves into the environment so to speak they would just become part of it and let it lead them to where they can be of help which in the end might leave them quite well known.
In all cases the South Node in the 3rd house is going to imply the possibility that information taken in that rigidly backs up security structures is limited in some way or form and that the Soul is going to be in a constant state of reformulating their mental structures of reality.
Heather
Hi, Heather. Excellent application of EA! What you wrote is all accurate in regards to the possible expressions the South Node in the 3rd house, and Pluto in the 10th house. In the Consensus State, emotional security is linked with the prevailing culturally accepted information, view points, etc. which creates the defensiveness towards the view points and facts that does not support the mainstream that you described. In the Individuated State, emotional security is linked with the specific alternative view points that the Soul orients towards. This can create intellectual defensiveness and reacting to the communications with others rather then responding. For example, this can play out as always being the "devils advocate," or needing to be considered the expert or authority by others. In the spiritual state, emotional security will be linked with the specific information of a spiritual nature that has been collected in the evolutionary past. Yes, others will perceive the Soul has possessing a natural wisdom of timeless, universal laws that can easily be communicated. In the example of Yogananda, he gathered a tremendous amount of spiritual knowledge from the East, specifically from India where he was born, and he had an innate capacity to communicate this knowledge with others. Great Job!
Namaste
Deva
Pluto 10th House/Capricorn, South Node 3rd House/Gemini
In order to accomplish the desires symbolized in the 10th House Pluto (the identification of one's own inner authority in order to establish a functional role in society), the soul has exposed itself to all manner of ideas, opinions and thoughts as they relate to that desire. In order to know about, and understand, how a structure works (be it societal, physical or systemic), the rules and regulations regarding the functioning and integration of that structure, the soul must be open to learning about it in a sustained way. The ability of Pluto to zero in on the underlying foundational principles of such structures, dedication and sustained efforts to learn have helped the soul to feel confident that they have become an expert in the subject of interest. However, because Gemini/3rd House is a mutable archetype, there is always another fact to know, an unending source of information to build upon what they have already learned. There is always the need to know a bit more. At some point, and through evolutionary necessity, some ideas and thoughts will start to clash with previously held ideas and thoughts, and the possibility of a mental shutdown can occur where no more information can be taken in because of overload. After processing and a re-shuffle, the soul will adapt to this new information and start the process all over again (JWG describes the Gemini/3rd House archetype as an upward moving spiral). We must keep in mind here the PPP in the 4th/Cancer and the North Node in 9th/Sag - evolution continuing through the development of inner authority and intuition, the whole versus the bits.
It is easy to see how a soul can become quite an authority on any subject given the determination and mental power inherent in these archetypes. The subject matter of interest will depend on evolutionary/karmic necessity and degree of spiritual development. As an example, a soul in the consensus state would want to expose themselves to all kinds of information/conversations/stories and the like that are in agreement with current societal beliefs and norms. Their reading, conversations and media consumption will align with culturally acceptable ideas of how society works. This would include sterotypes of all kinds. As an example, someone in the consensus state might have an understanding of how fashion affects, and is a reflection of, the self-image of current-generation teens and could make a career writing for a magazine specifically for teens, with articles about media platforms and the best use of these things in finding a suitable career. They would also understand the power of such a position in that they could contribute to/influence the perception and thinking of a generation through images and writing. Another career for someone in the consensus state could be working with the hands - a guitar-maker as an example, by learning everything there is to know about different kinds of wood and how different kinds of wood affect the sound of musical instruments. They could become a master in such an art, the inherent power in their hands being used to make beautiful instruments for the listening pleasure of many. They would know which kind of wood produces which kind of sound.
In the individuated state, the soul would be interested in ideas and ways of thinking that are unconventional, alternative or challenge prevailing belief systems and methods. As an example, they might be interested in naturopathic medicine and ways of healing that do not conform to allopathic belief systems. They might read about everything from acupuncture to homeopathy to massage, take classes in these disciplines, etc., in order to become an authority in that field. Because these ways will be regarded by some in society as quackery (although some allopaths could be accused of the same), they will feel inwardly confident in what they are doing because they have studied everything there is to know about these healing systems and understand the basis and foundation of such methods. They would continue to build on the basic foundation of these healing ways by incorporating parts of more than one system into a whole in order to arrive at a healing system that they feel uniquely qualified to practice. As evolution proceeds, another person might become interested in ancient languages such as Sacred Sanskrit, the word-sounds pointing to ever deeper realties.
In the spiritual state, the soul will function in society in a way that is of service to others. At this stage, the soul will have explored, over time, many spiritual paths, and will know that the foundation of all traditional belief/thought systems point to One Truth (notwithstanding patriarchal distortion over time). They will understand the inherent limit of facts, realizing that facts are useful for navigation in the time/space reality of earth-life and that the human brain can only do so much. The concept of Goddess/Source cannot be "grasped" by thought, and sometimes allegory and myth do a better job of alluding to truth in storytelling. As natural communicators, they might write books or have centers where spiritual concepts/lifestyle can be taught and learned. They will be consciously working on behalf of Source/Goddess (as their own Inner Authority) at this point. As Deva pointed out, Paramahansa Yogananda had this signature in his birth chart and is one of the most well-known Spiritual Teachers in the world. He has written books that are profound yet simple in their presentation. In this way, he has been able to reach spiritual seekers of all levels. You can read his works over and over again and get ever-deeper truths from the same words on the same page. Autobiography of a Yogi has sold millions of copies, and George Harrison used to keep boxes of this book in order to give a copy to just about everyone he met. Also, Yogananda teaches the Science of Yoga and talks a lot about what is now known as quantum physics. In reading this material you can see for yourself the how the Source is manifesting at the ultra-micro levels. Any quantum physicist knows that rational thinking has no business at the quantum level, and the limitations are obvious.
Souls with this signature can have significant careers in whatever subject they choose. They can become powerful, hypnotic speakers whose communication skills are unparalleled. With their depth of knowledge, gained through self-effort, they can make a difference in the lives of others, whether it be in their immediate environment or globally. DDD
Hi, DDD. Excellent application of EA! I like that you pointed out the limitations of the intellect in regards to the South Node in the 3rd house. This does point towards the development of the North Node in the 9th house in regards to the intuition. That is the next step of the EA paradigm. Great Job!
Namaste
Deva
hi Deva and all,
I regret that I will be late in posting an interpretation of Pluto in the 10th, and S. Node in the 3rd. I'm dealing with a situation where a woman is trying to take my wild cat out of my home and put it in a shelter.
thanks for your patience, and please continue without me if you need to.
in spirit,
marty
Hi all,
I am writing to ask those who wish to participate a projected timeline of completion for this current step we are working on in the practice thread. Remember, the value is in the effort!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva
I am working on it, will post tonight.
Wei
Hi Deva,
i'm sorry, i thought i could have time to write during the weekend but it turned out i couldn't.
I will post no later than tomorrow.
Thank you,
Helena
Pluto in 10th house
SN in 3rd house
The Soul has created Ego structure to experience their physical environment/culture/country through their brain function, they want to understand the reality as it is, they have developed ability to collect data/fact/information as well as skills to express themselves/communicate their ideas to mainstream minds. They will establish their career/social position in an intellectual way, which reflect collective consciousness structure of the society they are born in, or they have ability to change/evolve this collective consciousness through their vocation. They observe the environment, varieties of ways to merge their ego structure with society's rules/customs. For them knowledge is power, they need validation of their intelligence, they have knowledge of varieties fields and can be very opinionated/argumentative to defend their idea about this world/reality. They constantly exchange thoughts with all different kinds of people, their ego/self-identity are shaped through communication, new ideas and feedback, thus they are sensitive about judgment, especially from an authority figure. 3rd house is a mutable yang archetype, they have ability to adapt different social circumstances, they may even choose a social environment, its own process of change provide an environment for their individual Soul's to experience evolutionary blockage/lessons/potential.
Consensus State
Language has tremendous power of controlling people's mind, as human being, we give things names, we interpret phenomenon, we create language to communicate our ideas with others, logical mind to adapt time/space structure of this physical world, but for each mind, we perceive reality differently, 3rd house correlates to this subjective minds. For souls in consensus state, their local language/official language of their country/the way of communication in family/school system/media/mainstream society values defines who they think they are and the reality they live in, what they can achieve, what role they are playing within or for the society. Because of the patriarchy condition everyone on earth has been going through, souls with this signature can live in a very distorted reality, for example in Chinese society, as authority with this signature they can manipulate Language/information to control/restrict people's mind, in order to secure their own power/position/status quo, words are planted ideas with either pride to create attachment, or shame to restrict different voice. As parents, they can project mainstream judgment onto their children, not able to nurture children's emotional needs if they are different/not accepted by social norm, project the desire to be successful according to social standard onto their children, if children pursue other way of life it would be seen as failure. As individuals within this environment, knowledge becomes interest oriented, it's not out of natural curiosity or desire to expand their mind, but to secure a spot within society by agreeing with mainstream whatever the value is, because of their evolutionary state, they project sense of power/security into authority figure, ultimately their own country, thus they easily play into roles that society/parents expect them to play, to pursue a career/life which are validated in mainstream value, the standard of success varies through time. They can be writers/journalist/scientist/scholar/teacher/salesman/musicians/public speaker/government propaganda reporter, as their soul evolving, they will start to be aware of conflict/duality between how they feel, what they think, what they want to learn and information they have been imposed by parents/authority/others, also how this outside standards seem to change fast/unstable that they are not able to shape themselves to catch up and fit in anymore, this inner split will leading them to ask why deeply inside, leading to inner conversation and starting transition into the next evolutionary state.
Individuated State
As souls start to doubt the information about their environment/reality, they will become gradually detached from the mainstream ideas. Souls in this stage, will typically gather information/fact that resonate with their inner reality/interest/ curiosity, they will start to challenge mainstream ideas/standards/minds, or rebel against them. They will connect with like-minded souls, develop inner security to access new area of knowledge which are taboo or despised by mainstream/authorities, and to think for themselves, interpret reality/phenomenon in their own way. They may learn a foreign language to expand their knowledge/collect information, or create unique way of expression (music/poem/writing/painting/symbol) which reflects who they really are, resonate with their minds. I found a really beautiful way 3rd house ego structure in this state can manifest is that they can use their wit and adaptability (because they can understand variety and how minds work for both sides, also has leant how society work), become sort of like bridge, to connect their individuated minds with mainstream minds, they can become authorities in their own field, and really open up mainstream people's mind, sometimes maybe trick their way into a position then do it their own way, to liberate the professional field they choose. As process of evolution, souls with this signature would learn all different kinds of information to understand this physical world, explain their environment, finally they will reach the limit of left brain, realize there are must be something more than scientific explanation, they would let go of they have to understand everything, and truly accept there is something they can't approach with logical mind, and there are broader meaning of phenomenon, and they will start the transaction to the next evolutionary state.
Spiritual State
Souls in this state can act as bridge/interpreter of ultimate truth, messenger of God, because they have already learned different languages/cultures/belief systems, they understand the variety ways to truth, thus they speak symbolic language, which penetrate every race/culture/belief systems, and every level of mind, what they teach comes from higher mind, the soul or ultimately the source, their messages are timeless universal truth, they are direct connection between human consciousness and the source.
3rd house as a Mercury archetype, souls with this signature are able to dissolve time/space restriction, journey from physical world to different planes, to receive teaching from higher mind, as well as to teach/communicate truth. Their vocation is transform human's mind/consciousness, perception of this physical world, and being a leader of human consciousness as how to create our reality, how to embrace natural law and natural power, how to access natural yang/masculine energy to restructure this world, and also through teaching the truth, brings healing to humanity, heal the collective trauma of patriarchy condition.
Wei
Hi, Wei. Excellent application of EA! Yes, the nature of information that the Soul takes in from society will condition the intellectual development/ mental structure. Language is an important "conditioning" factor, and is emphasized with Pluto in the 10th house/South Node in the 3rd house. I like the example you used in regards to the repression of information in China. Another example of this is in the German language there is no word for emotion. In the Individuated state, the Soul will be highly resistant to absorbing the prevailing cultural mainstream information, view points, data. In addition, the Soul in this evolutionary state will encourage others to think for themselves and to express their viewpoints that depart from the culturally accepted information. In the Spiritual state the Soul will express information that goes beyond time, space, culture, etc, and will be universally applicable. In other words, the information based on timeless, universal laws that are experienced by all of us regardless of our culture/society/gender, etc. Great Job!
Namaste
Deva
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
Pluto in 10th house/ South Node in the 3rd house
With pluto in the 10th house and south node in the 3rd house, the soul has been predominately left brain oriented as a way to actualise the sense of personal security and authority. Through the gemini/mercury/3rd house archetype the soul has been developing the intellectual and mental faculties, mostly open to enter a vast realm of experiences, trying to understand how, meaning facts and intellectual concepts, the world is put together and from there develop a rational secure foundation to structure personal identity, from which the soul can say "˜that is the world and this is how i relate to the world'.
In essence, with south node in the 3rd house, the soul has to open up and relate. But with pluto in the 10th house, naturally more restrictive or restricted, this may also mean that a natural inconjunct crisis of duality can arise - to open up, relate and serve or control. Here, the soul is indirectly invited to let itself be of service to higher law, sharing and opening up but also understanding and accepting limitations as the road to soul truth (NN in the 9th house).
As Deva first mentioned, the focus is on external environment and collecting information. This is a process where it becomes vital to gather information about external reality, through identifying and relating facts, and developing communication skills. With all this data, the soul can put together an inner understanding of this surrounding universe allowing it to feel secure about what it knows (and also depending on that inner actualisation).
About Pluto in the 3rd house, JWG teaches that "by naming and classifying we have made ourselves intellectually, and therefore, emotionally secure". So if we take this notion of personal security linked to intellectual knowledge applied to a role in society, there is a possibility with the south node in the third house, that excessive mental focus can in some cases accentuate the soul's resistance to remain in the mind and away from the emotional body, and by doing so, making it difficult for itself to naturally integrate the 4th house pluto polarity point - to develop emotional security within and not through external dependencies, e.g., being acknowledged intelligent by society.
The south node in the 3rd house can also provide and interesting fast-forward dynamic by which the natural earth trines can be acted out. Gathering information on the outside world, the soul can discriminate and work on (virgo), how to best serve society by learning on the ways to develop and present personal talents (out of the natural 2nd house isolation), in understanding the context of society's own norms and regulations (capricorn), but probably moving it forward with originality and new thinking.
Generally speaking, throughout all the evolutionary states we might find the person who, by having been consistently curious about the physical laws of the world and going through many experiences, is coming to this life where communication, learning and connecting capacities are natural and easy. This person can be the one always aware of the latest in the areas of interest (if not a bit of all!), have many acquaintances and/or friends and enjoy communicating/discussing/learning with them, and sometimes also prove itself right through this interaction. Sexually, there will be a need to experiment with traditional gender roles within relationships and bisexuality, desires that will tend to be acted upon at least in the individuated state if not earlier. In the consensus state the soul might repress these desires altogether or act upon it secretly. In the spiritual state the soul will tend to a natural balance of the inner male/female and be naturally androgynous.
With more simple consideration, the south node in the 3rd house can also mean that brothers/sisters can play or have played an important role in the soul's life and future social role (either helping or challenging) and that is, for instance, very present when we think of the early life of Yogananda.
Pluto in 10th house/ South Node in the 3rd house throughout the Evolutionary States
In the consensus state, the soul will be driven to want to learn all there is to know about the way it will be possible to actualise itself trough the desired career and social role. The reference will be the consensus of society, and all norms, regulations and traditional ways necessary to achieve it. If we take the example of someone desiring to be a medical doctor, this person will take the necessary steps, relate to the right people or possibly even coming to life with one of the parents or siblings already with the same social role one desires for itself and follow in their footsteps so that it can form a secure and socially accepted intellectual foundation from where to start from. It will study in medical school, get a degree and possibly continue to study furthermore in life to keep a sense a permanent actualisation. Eventually it might become distinguished for relevant studies/publications in this field and able to teach others about it.
Potential conflicts might happen for example when these studies become contested by pears, and the intellectual foundation from which one has built a career is shaken, forcing to be honest about oneself, listening to others and discriminate between the need to prove itself right or know from within that what one knows is based on the truth.
In the individuated state, if we take the same example, the soul will now try to differentiate itself in the role of a health practitioner. It can be necessary for self actualisation to differentiate from society, parents or other traditional role models present in the soul's life. This person will search people, friends and mentors that teach and practice alternative therapies, diagnosis and healing techniques. By maintaining this desire of constant self actualisation, this person can accumulate many certificates and learning experiences from various areas of alternative healthcare. Even if it starts adult life studying and obtaining a degree from university, this degree might be in a completely different area than medicine, for example physics, and the person might naturally shift to these alternative practices later and obtain a good reputation by developing a unique combination of many practices and discover they have positive effects on other people. From here, this person might become a very sought out therapist by some people and much criticised by others from the consensus of medicine practice, that can even legally contest this person. Given the connection of mercury/gemini to the hands, it might be possible these therapies include touch and healing through the hands and the truthfulness of the practice will speak for itself.
In the spiritual state, this soul might earlier in life be aware of its natural ability to heal others. There will be a desire to serve as vehicle of healing directly from the source.The soul knows it is not he or she doing the work. All the knowledge and facts that the soul is aware of can be intuitively given or searched for in an non structured way. In the beginning of this state this might be confusing for the soul and be a way of feeling very incapable to do the work it is meant to do. This person can doubt about itself, capabilities and knowledge, constantly searching ideas and information that might appear from nowhere and be contested by others. If this person tries to explain itself in the consensus of society, people might think this person is mad or crazy. This soul will then search for the right guru, mentor and teachers that can validate what the soul is feeling from a timeless philosophical and metaphysical perspective. From here it will be possible to align with teachings and philosophies that support the soul's desire to become a healer, accordingly to the development of what the soul already knows, to reach many people with natural security and authority. This person might start a school/center type of organisation where it can share knowledge with others, and also encourage others to study, learn, advance and develop their own practices.
It is interesting to note that even Yogananda had to go to university to get a traditional degree (even if with Divine assistance for the more boring parts"¦), for this will be an important "˜requirement' to do the work he was destined to do in the west, from the western man perspective of what consisted an intellectual requisite.
As we've been discussing, personal and social responsibility are much the central issues and evolutionary need when pluto is in the 10th house.
Here, in all the evolutionary states, we can ask, how is a person sharing what it knows? Having much knowledge, how has this knowledge been acquired, developed and applied? Being able to connect with many people, did the soul made an effort to be of service to this people?
Helena
hi Deva,
I wish to post a brief response to our thread in the next day or two, if that's alright. thanks for the teaching, it's great.
in spirit,
marty
Helena: Great application of EA! What you have written is all accurate in regards to possible expressions of Pluto in the 10th house/South Node in the 3rd house. As you pointed out, the emotional security base in founded on searching for the truth via intellectual facts/knowledge in the external environment. The Soul may hold inner judgements (Pluto in the 10th house) about it's own natural curiosity (South Node in the 3rd house). In other words, the Soul may restrict/repress it's own innate need to explore a diversity of view points, trades, fields, etc due to information that have been absorbed from the external environment that is judgemental in nature. With Pluto in the 10th house and it's polarity point in the 4th house this can relate to gender assignment/roles, and the need to explore non-traditional roles within relationships. Yes, the ultimate intention over time is to integrate both the masculine and feminine equally within the Soul. Great job!
Hi, Marty, yes that is fine. Thanks for participating on the thread!
Namaste
Deva
Hi, Edward. I am wondering if you still intend to post on this thread. Remember, as Rad says, the value is in the effort! In terms of continuing on the practice thread I would like to start working on the next step by Monday next week. Let me know if this sounds OK to those who are participating. Thanks again for the time and effort the group is putting into this thread!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Yes Deva I am good with going to the next step... Thank you for continuing to teach all of us here.
Heather
Hi Deva, I am ready to continue with the practice thread. Thanks :) DDD
Hi Deva,
Yes, i too can continue monday. Thank you for you comments and teaching (and patience).
All the Best,
Helena
I've been moving these last few days - I will post either today or first thing tomorrow morning. Thanks Deva, and everyone else!
Cheers,
Edward
Pluto in 10th / S. Node in 3rd - Finding Your Essential Truth.
Persons with Pluto in the 10th house are experiencing a purging of personal desires associated with the 10th house archetypes of external authority, power and control. They may also be experiencing a purging of the orientation to being recognized as socially prominent or important.
They are learning the lessons of the emotional body - to open up, express, feel and develop a willingness to communicate those emotions.
They may experience great shifts between feeling in control, and feeling that they are not regarded by society. This is part of the purging of the 10th house orientation of external security to a more feeling-based mode of existence, in which inner authority and personal acceptance become more important.
They are experiencing a new found vulnerability to the socially-accepted arena, and developing the need to open up to a deeper, unutterable truth. Within this truth is the discovery of the true security that close friendships and familial ties provide. These deep internal insights will either be discovered by karmic law (encountering that which has been put into motion from past life experience) or evolutionary necessity (encountering circumstances that reveal suppressed emotional memory).
Along the road to the development of the emotional body, the individual would, certainly, encounter opportunities to learn to be willing to address past hurts or emotionally charged events from early childhood. This willingness to revisit one's childhood can ease the fear involved in having to feel in control of life's circumstances.
With the 4th house polarity, oftentimes females are learning to find their strength and expression in a female body, and males are learning sensitivity and openness. Both female and male are undergoing a process of emotional healing, as they explore the gender within their gender. The 4th house polarity may coax a cross-gender expression from those individuals who have been suppressing the gender identity of their egocentric self. The allowance that this brings can help heal childhood and adolescent wounds, and also
help to heal past-life, unconscious desires associated with gender-identity trauma. As the allowance toward a more natural expression unfolds, the need to hold on to a socially dictated gender role will diminish.
Concerns of the individual may slowly gravitate away from material gain and worth (if an individual is conscious of their soul's intent this lifetime). As the individual finds themselves drawn toward emotional security and well-being, the patterns and identity associations of the past begin to reform and align with the soul desires of this lifetime. The implied limitations of the past can be transmuted as one surrenders to their innermost need for emotional security and expression.
10th house Pluto individuals may discover the willingness to dig deeper into their personal past in order to better understand their present life circumstances. To reflect, and feel (all of the pain along with the joy) is a 4th house Pluto polarity point (P.P.P.) signature. This reflection may come at the cost of embarrassment or social impropriety but, it is necessary in order to realize deep emotional release.
With the S. Node in the 3rd house, individuals would certainly be learning to question their intellectual upbringing and preconceived belief patterns. Anyway we look at it, with the 4th house P.P.P., the need to grow outside of ones' intellectual understanding of their life and purpose, thus far, could be triggered by an emotional experience or an unconscious desire to have a deeper emotional response to life as opposed to objective rationalizations.
The deeper, more conceptual intellect would be loosened, this lifetime. Communication and language would flourish. Silent communication, animal communication, image and symbol-based knowledge would outweigh the need to order and define one's phenomenal reality. The ability to adapt and adjust to various mindsets, cultures, and religious beliefs is inherent in the 9th house N. Node. There would be a need to know more than the linear confines of the 3rd house S. Node, but a basic reluctance to venture out of their defined territory.
As the need to know more and experience a direct kind of personal knowledge increases, the individual may come to investigate all manner of spiritual, metaphysical and cosmological concepts. As their knowledge increases, they may adapt the ability to intuitively synthesize this new information into personal thought patterns and belief systems. They are evolving the intuitive mind, exponentially, by embracing the unknown, and by freeing the mind, they free their personal capacity to express a broader and more meaningful emotional reality
On a soul level, these individuals may be motivated by a subconscious need to unleash their internal teacher. They may be seeking to validate their subconscious feelings of self and intuition. At the same time, they may be desiring to "˜parent' themselves (10th house transmutation), to feel proud of their accomplishments and find a deeper well of egocentric strength, definition, and security (personal power) in which to go forth in the world.
From a Consensus point-of-view, these individuals would be seeking a broader understanding of the empirical knowledge that they have amassed. They would be curious to compare different mindsets, customs or beliefs but, possibly, only to dismiss them or find fault with a comparative logic. They may seek "˜degrees' or academic title in order to impress others with their wealth of knowledge, or to try to influence others to their formulaic way of thinking. The need to "˜convince and convert' others to their way of thinking would remain. They may have the desire to "˜learn more', but still adhere to their personal opinions and philosophies. The hold of the 3rd house S. Node is strong, as is peer pressure and academic ridicule. As a result, they may merely examine the intuitive realms of thought process instead of experience them.
In the Individuated state, individuals would question all preconceived thoughts, data and belief systems. They would want to explore the limits of their imaginative processes and experience all manner of meditation, philosophy and alternative ways of receiving insight. They would challenge all structured forms of learning and historical "˜fact'. They want to experience personal truths, first-hand, and experience direct knowledge of those truths. They will decide what is valid, and worth their precious time and attention, and what is not. The self-evident truths found in deep communion with Nature, are most apparent to them, and they have the ability to express these natural truths to the mainstream in a way that can be absorbed by many over time.
These individuals would have the ability to see, absorb and understand the unseen worlds, fueled by the desire to develop their intuition. All forms of Nature communication would be accessible to them as they open to inductive thought processes - so much so that they would have a fear of being reabsorbed into common, deductive, cultural conditioning. They would be learning to leave peer pressure behind, and the game of gaining knowledge, just for the sake of knowledge. They would be willing to venture into unfamiliar, invisible, realms to seek direct knowledge from the Creative Source, and in doing so, they would be developing the strength of character to inspire others to think for themselves.
In the Spiritual state gender expression expands to the point where women feel free to have meaningful and close relationships with women, and men with men. These individuals are learning to recognize each other as an egocentric expression of their soul, and they can accept each other as equals and allow for the dynamic healing that frees up when the expansion of the mind. In this state, the individual is learning to let down their intellectual defenses and balance the male/female within.
The Spiritual state encourages personal enlightenment, the passion to seek Source, and the understanding that we're all just people - united with the animal kingdoms, land, water, air and stars, and that we are all much more alike than we are different. The discovery and espousal of these inherent truths is the path of these individuals, and there are many paths to heal the emotional body, through the development of the intuitive mind which transforms, not only, our belief systems, but our very consciousness.
In the Spiritual state, these individuals would be seeking a balance between their inner Male and Female, and their inner student and teacher. Ultimately, they would have the option to gravitate to a greater acceptance of life's responsibilities due to their desire to evolve through their emotional truth. With their willingness to learn, grow and adapt, they contain the seeds of many more generations of timeless and universally-inspired teachers.
thank you for the opportunity, and I enjoy everyone's response.
in spirit,
marty
The desire for social recognition of the Pluto in the Tenth House individual is going to be contained within an egoic structure as described by the Third House. Their inner foundation is going to be one of perpetual motion, experiencing identity through the ideas and information that they connect themselves to. Transformation will be encouraged through either slow or cataclysmic change, when information received from the outside is deemed incompatible or contradictory to the individual's worldview. When this occurs, the individual will either continue to stubbornly hold onto their own outdated thoughts or ideas, or adapt their perspectives to accommodate the information coming in. When fluid and open to change, the mutable centers of these individuals will constantly be in motion, perpetually crafted by the ideas and information received from the outside, filtered through their analytical minds. These individuals, however, will transform in accordance to their drive for social power, and their intuitive feeling of right and wrong will be linked to an authority seemingly outside of themselves. They will experience the sensation of whether the information received resonates with their philosophical outlook (generally placed onto them from the culture or society to which they belong).
In the herd state, these individuals will be naturally inclined to associate particular modes of thinking with success, and even collect information in order to embody these characteristics themselves. For example, an individual desiring to become a doctor or a lawyer is going to push their analytical mind to its limit, in the hopes of memorizing the position that they wish to become. There is a weakness of discernment in these individuals, disregarding their intuitive faculties in favor of simply absorbing information, especially if it can lead them to places of power in society. When there is a lack of inner authority, these individuals will always have to be told what to do, receiving direction on how to live their lives by the culture or society to which they belong. If an idea cannot be described in concrete terms then it is essentially non-existent to these individuals. There sense of reality is so cemented in accord with empirical fact, that the only method of impacting their perspectives is through cataclysm directed from the outside. When individuals are able to recognize the holes of their limited perspectives, comparing and contrasting the ways in which they experience the world with information received from the outside, these individuals are ready to transition into a more individuated state of consciousness.
In the individuated state, Pluto in the Tenth House and the South Node in the Third House individuals are going to be fueled by the desire to detach from all outward systems of authority. However, as they still seek positions of social power, they will craft information and ideas together to form their own egocentric philosophies on reality. This could include knowledge of psychology and cosmological law, not to connect to the natural world, but rather to gain an understanding into the minds of others in order to cultivate personal power. The simultaneous desire to separate from societal norms, yet also to hold positions of power, may inspire these individuals to form their own communities in which they serve as the social authority. These groups could be centered around their own makeshift philosophies which, of course, they are the most knowledgable about. Therefore, others will be inclined to look toward these individuals for guidance. These individuals may show up as authors of self-improvement books, cult leaders, or simply students or teachers of alternative psychology.
In the spiritual state, these individuals are going to connect to an inner authority resonant with natural law. Their intuitive function (Ninth House) will be awakened, and therefore they will have the ability to discern which information serves their greater purpose and which can easily be let-go of. The mutable center of these individuals in earlier states will find a natural sense of grounding in accordance with natural law and they will not be so easily swayed by every piece of information directed at them from the outside. Their analytical and intuitive functioning will truly work in tandem - their processing minds moving as quickly as ever, filtering information through the framework of a philosophy which they are simply a part of, rather than one of their own egocentric making. Their ability to connect facts into ideas will be second-to-none and they will have an innate capacity to communicate these thoughts to others in the form of parables, philosophy, or creative imagery. They may feel that it is their calling to provide a voice for their particular philosophy, and will learn how to communicate these ideas on a broad scale. As referenced before, Paramahansa Yogananada, who had this configuration, felt that it was his life's purpose to share the ideas and cosmic laws of Mother India with the West.
Cheers,
Edward
Hi, Marty. First, thanks for making the efforts and contributions to this thread. You are jumping the gun as we are not yet on the step you you posted about the North Node in the 9th house relative to Pluto's polarity point. The step we are on right now is South Node in the third house relative to natal Pluto in the 10th house.
Hi, Edward. Great application of EA! What you have written is all accurate in regards to possible expression of Pluto in the 10th house, and South Node in the 3rd house relative to Evolutionary State. The limitation lies within the specific view points and information that the Soul is orientated towards. Yes, this is shaped by the culture/society of birth. Often, this signature reflects a reliance upon considered authorities to know what is true and not true. From my understanding, the dilemma occurs when the Soul is exposed to conflicting or even contradictory information in the external environment which you indicated in your analysis. Great job!
Hi, all: I forgot that the actual next step is the specific placement of the planetary ruler of the South Node, not the North Node in the 9th house relative to Pluto's 4th house polarity point. I will post by tomorrow with an example of this next step.
Namaste
Deva
Hi, all:
The next step of the EA paradigm is to apply the planetary ruler of the South Node. A planetary ruler is the planet that rules the sign of that planet. For example, Jupiter rules the sign of Sagittarius. Thus, if the South Node is in the Sagittarius we can determine that Jupiter is the planetary ruler of the South Node. Astrologically speaking, the planetary rulers of the nodal axis serve as "facilitators" to the South and North Nodes. Just as Pluto uses the nodes of the Moon to actualize itself, so to do the lunar nodes use their respective rulers to actualize themselves.
To continue with our example, let's put the planetary ruler the of South Node in the 11th house. I recommend that you review Pluto in the 11th house, and also Uranus for a comprehensive understanding of the Uranus/Aquarius/11th house archetype.
In terms of our example, the 11th house is the primary archetype that the Soul will use to develop the egocentric structure of the past symbolized by the South Node in the 3rd house. The planetary ruler serves as a facilitator to actualize the South Node in the 3rd house.
Simply stated, the planetary ruler in the 11th house symbolizes that the Soul will naturally seek out those of like mind in order to collected the desired information reflected by the South Node in the 3rd house. The Soul will take information from various, friends, or peer group that reflect like mindedness. The information from the like minded group becomes the basis of what information the Soul considers valid or invalid. In other words, the information gathered from those of like mind then serves to condition the Soul's mental structure and resulting view points. In the context of the natal Pluto in the 10th house, this information will then be used to establish a personal voice of authority within society.
The 11th house correlates to social groups of all sorts. There are different sub groups within any given society. JWG taught that there are three distinct social groups or movements which exist within any given society. The first sub group is the mainstream within society which represent those who conform to the consensus of that society. The second is the alternative or fringe group within society which exists apart or outside from the mainstream society. The third type is the social dinosaurs which represent a group within society that advocate a vision of the cultural past should be the model for current times. An example of this social group that is occurring presently in the U.S are those that voice a desire to return to times of racial, gender, and religious segregation of the past. The core point within this is that whatever social group the Soul identifies with will serve as the determinate of what information is collected and which is left out. The specific group that reflects like mindedness is determined by Evolutionary State of the Soul.
Consensus State: In the consensus state, the Soul will gravitate towards groups in the mainstream of society who are of like mind. The shared group mentality then becomes the basis for establishing a personal voice of authority within society. For example, if the Soul desires to become a physician the existing medical community will serve as a group of like mindedness.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, the Soul will naturally desire to bond with others of like mind who are seeking to liberate and decondition from the impact of societal conditioning. This occurs through independent exploration of alternative ideas, fields, etc. The social groupings within this evolutionary state will consist of those who are alienated from the mainstream society. With this signature, the Soul will desire to communicate information that centers around embracing individuation and departure from mainstream ideas and view points. The view points of the specific alternative group(s) that the Soul orients towards will condition the development of the intellectual structure. The information collected within an alternative group will serve to help the Soul establish it's personal of authority in an alternative field. The Soul will have an innate capacity to apply the information that is collected in a truly unique and potentially revolutionary manner.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State the Soul may join a spiritual community or center in order to collect information of a timeless, universal nature. The information that is collected within that community then becomes basis for the Soul to establish a personal role within society. The specific role that the Soul aligns with will be founded in serve to others as a reflection of service to the Source. The Soul may have a unique role or voice within the spiritual community based on an inherent capacity to apply that information in an individualized and potentially transformative manner.
If you have any questions, please ask now. Otherwise, please continue by posting in your own words how a planetary ruler in the 11th house will facilitate the development of the egocentric structure of the South Node in the 3rd house.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva,
Are we describing the configuration's effect for each evolutionary state, like in the previous post?
Thanks,
Edward
Hi, Edward. Yes, please include the Evolutionary States as in the previous post.
Namaste
Deva
Hey all,
I'm new to the thread and the message board but I will try to slide in as smoothly as possible.
Although I am quite new to the EA paradigm (less than 4 months) I have noticed the fractal nature of it and the many ways in which the symbols can animate. I have also seen this outside of the realm of this paradigm in plant medicine and I have never gotten any feedback from anyone who is an evolutionary astrologer and do much of what I do based upon intuition. I could be too broad with my way of viewing things so it would be great to be directed so I grow a true understanding of this paradigm, thanks everyone for the feedback in advance.
In the consensus state this place could manifest as the soul relative to the Pluto in the 10th house and having the unconscious desire to establish their own authority within the society/culture the indicates that the soul gathered information (3rd house south node) in order to change the prior self into something new (11th house planetary ruler) in order to establish the 10th house Pluto goal.
The fact that this is a consensus state soul, the idea of manipulation came to my mind naturally, in this space/time (10th house Pluto) things are very distorted and patriarchal, leading many to implementing their own will onto others. The gathering of information (3rd house south node) made me think of a Gemini/3rd house energy that I became quite familiar with when I was a youth counselor, the wittiness many have when they want to establish their own authority can be quite frightening at times. In a more shadow or unaligned way, this soul could break free from the restrictions (11th house planetary ruler of the south node) of the laws/conditioning/culture (10th house) by gathering all the data (3rd house) their is to know about the given system in order to to accomplish the goals and or assert it's own authority upon "the system."
In the individuated state, to not be so long winded, I will say it how I read the symbols.
This soul comes into this life with the unconscious desire to establish it's own authority (10th house Pluto), in the past the soul gathered information (3rd house south node) in order to liberate (11th house) from the conditioning that was placed upon it from external forces.
In the spiritual state, I naturally had these thoughts with this symbolism.
This soul in the past received information (3rd house south node) from the individual unconscious mind (11th house planetary ruler of south node) in order to be an example for others how to live in this space/time according to God's will. (10th house Pluto)
Peace,
Cameron
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in the 10th South Node 3rd Ruler of the South Node in the 11th
Now with adding the ruler of the South Node being in the 11th house you can start to really feel color and meaning behind the pasts primal triad. The South Node in the 3rd relative to Pluto being in the 10th seemed rather open and endless as to the possibility of types of information pulled in and used from the external environment to actualize the past intentions of Pluto in the 10th house but now with adding the Aquarius/Uranus/11th house archetype you can now bring down the possibilities to a single vision. One that may be quite black and white depending on many external factors in the birth chart and evolutionary condition. Speaking of black and white I have actually been writing these interpretations in a rather black and white reality to show contrast and to allow for a full understanding of how the opposition or polarity of any archetype is so pivotal to the whole understanding and intention of the birth chart but one must understand the contrast to understand the blending of the opposing energies.
With adding the 11th house archetype you can clearly feel and understand that this Soul was coming from a past orientation of Deconditioning. The 10th house is about security built around structures relating to the conditions of ones culture/environment/ family/ role in society/ authority or voice in Society, actualized through the taking in of information facts figures from the external environment, South Node in the 3rd House. Now adding that the ruler of the South Node is in the 11th is really interesting to me because Pluto is in the 10th house and the 11th house of course follows the 10th. Every person on this planet has the archetype of Uranus and Aquarius some where in their chart and an 11th house so every person has the archetype of deconditioning and individualizing present but this Soul in particular this is their very deep internal orientation coming into this life. The 11th house that comes after the 10th is about breaking away from the structures of society and parental conditioning to liberate to decondition as an Individual. Instead of holding rigidly to structures conditioned by society or parental conditioning or the constant collecting of information to back up or support those structures one was coming from a past orientation where they felt they needed to detach from society and structure and parental conditioning and so the information they where going to be taking in will be directly related to those needs.
This can play out in so many different ways when you consider one the Evolutionary Condition of the Soul as well as now adding the types of peer groups the Soul may choose to align with because security will be linked with groups and aligning with others of like mind yet the intention of the 11th house is to decondition to stand as an individual as unique on its own. I find it somewhat of a paradox that the Aquarius archetype is about deconditioning breaking from society/parental conditioning or structures and with the South Node in the 3rd away from information that would prevent this Soul from evolving yet the Sign Aquarius is in a Fixed Modality?? I thought about this for some time and what I came up with is that this Fixed pressure this Fixed energy causes one eventually to be so internally compressed that it causes a distancing, distancing from the environment, distancing from others, distancing from the information being taken in as to force detachment and objectivity to effect change and evolution of the Soul. With this signature what is being deconditioned from exactly? Well the obvious has already been stated but with the South Node in the 3rd house being how Pluto was actualized in the past we are talking about deconditioning from ones own Mental Structures, from the constructs of the Mind, why because the past conditions the future and the Mind can construct any Reality it so chooses but what is most certain is that the past will color the present and cause a Reality that is very black and white and non evolving based on the past instead of all the shades of grey that are the actual reality we are faced with, ours and others. This is why adding the 11th house archetype really adds so much depth to what we have been already analyzing. This Soul is learning about their own Mental process and how past conditions of the 10th house Pluto are effecting how the Soul will interpret any given circumstances or information being taken in this is why a distancing allowing for objectivity is so paramount. This was the past orientation and the orientation the Soul is coming into this current life with.
In a consensus condition a Soul might be quite rigid in there ability to liberate change or evolve and would probably seek security through peer groups that were based on tradition of the culture and parental upbringing one was born into. The ability to liberate or decondition would most likely be so very limited and slow as security will be deeply ingrained in maintaining the past around these rigid mental structures. There will be a very strong fear revolving around being seen as different so the Soul will try to maintain the status Quo. This person most likely would be a mirror image of their environment and upbringing even though the individual has some sort of unique capacities they may not go the distance to alter their rigid constructs of reality because they would not want to be seen as different. I would think in this condition its a great possibility for the person to have issues around depression with a bleak outlook on life because of the intense inner desire to liberate yet in the consensus condition maintaining the status quo at all cost. This Soul may gravitate to groups that are socially prevalent and acceptable by mainstream society as a way to fit in and feel connected to others.
In the Individuated State this would be a Soul who now has the Double signature of Deconditioning and Liberation. Why because the Individuated State is linked with the planet Uranus and so this Soul is coming into this life with the deep inner feeling of being different and a desire to actualize and share some unique inner gift or capacity with others and to align with others of like mind who are considered outside of the mainstream of society. In this condition its possible that the Soul would try to find security by aligning with groups that rebel against the mainstream in some way. The Soul in this condition may still be compensating in a way by trying to fit into these types of groups, compensating for feeling different for being unique or having some unique capacity to share with others. The intention is to separate to gain distance for objectivity and decondition and liberate from the mainstream from Consensus reality and the Rigid mental structures of ones own reality yet compensation may still link a Soul to the need to find security in the group. If a Soul at this juncture in their evolution can stand outside of all structures even its own mental structures and detach and objectify their own reality and others then this is where I would feel you could see the unique genius capacity shine through when one can stand as a group of one if necessary to develop and share there unique gifts or vision with others.
In the Spiritual State I feel this signature would show someone who has come from a past life orientation where they have been seriously working on Deconditioning and Liberating already and so there would be a need to actually join back into society but yet still stand outside of it. This is a Soul who has learned to stand outside of the conditioning of Society and the parental conditioning to come to the Ultimate Understanding of Reality being in many shades of grey and not so black and white. This Soul in the beginning stages of the spiritual state would be learning the relativity of all views and is now able to understand the whole of anything as well as they would have a keen ability to take in only what information is now pertinent to their continued evolution and would be able to formulate this information into a cohesive holistic understanding. As the Soul continues to evolve through the Spiritual State the Liberation from ones own Mental Structures and Mind will become paramount as this will open up ever larger concentric circles of understanding. In this state the liberation happens through detachment and separation from external information that is irrelevant to where the Soul will be ever more seated in their internal and timeless truths from with in linked with the Universal the Source. This will be accomplished by transcending the limitations of the Mind and aligning with Natural Law through expanding consciousness where there is no more questions or information needed to be taken in externally it all comes from inside. The Ultimate Liberation here would be once one establishes the connection to cosmic consciousness and realizes there is only ONENESS with everything and everything is ONE that the Reality of the Consensus or of the Individuated isn't even real but yet a deep understanding that that is subjective of ones own mental structures of reality and their evolutionary condition.
In all the cases above I feel that Compensation happens due to rejecting the desire to liberate and decondition because of Trauma. The 11th House Uranus Aquarius archetype rules over trauma and so past lives revolving around the feeling of being persecuted in some way prevents the Soul from feeling Safe to Decondition and Liberate. Stepping outside the mainstream of society makes you a target in a way and so the Soul has a deep unconscious fear to being different to standing as a group of One feeling that their is safety in numbers. This is especially true when you consider that many Souls are coming from a past orientation where this persecution was quite literal. The loss of ones life is a high price to pay for standing as a group of ONE. This terrifying price to pay is imprinted in the Soul memory. Past lives of persecution for being different or unique or outside of the mainstream society is what causes the compensation due to compression of past life memories, Uranus is where all these past life memories are stored. Unfortunately conversely this can also lead to the Soul itself being the persecutor through judgements that are held in a rigid mental reality and will also have trauma imprinted in the Soul revolving around guilt for the actions they have taken in past lives revolving around the abuse of power where they persecuted others. This sets up a whole myriad of issues revolving around the placement of Pluto in the 10th house with the South Node in the 3rd when past life imprinting that is not exactly conscious is controlling ones present life. This is exactly what the Soul will be coming into this life trying to liberate from, the past mental structures so that it doesn't continue to color and predict the future. A reformulation of the mental reality that allows for liberation and something New to develop a new Soul orientation and Reality. Evolution of the Soul continues....
Heather
Hi, Cameron: First, welcome to the EA MB and community! Thanks for contributing to the message board and practice thread. What you have written is correct in regards to the natal signature we are practicing. However, I would suggest you review both the Pluto in the 3rd house and Pluto in the 11th house to gain a deeper understanding of the archetypes. In the long run, this will help deepen your analysis which is the intention of this thread. For example, the third house is also about the pre-existing mental structure within the Soul. This is important because the mental structure determines which information the Soul will absorb and which information the Soul will leave out. A core correlation of this archetype is the need to learn the difference between that which is fact and that which is opinion. We can then put this in the context of the 11th house and the correlation to liberation and decondtioning. Remember the value is the effort!
Heather: Excellent application of EA! You bring up a great point about the fixed nature of the 11th house, and the resulting need for the Soul to objectify It's own mental/intellectual structure. Standing as a group of one is how true liberation is achieved. The Soul will need to "step back" from group of like mindedness in order to gain such objectivity, and to see how the influence of the group serves to condition their intellectual development. Mental trauma is a possibility indicated within this natal signature. A correlation of the 11th house that JWG taught is that of behavioral contagion. This reflects a situation in which a collective or group mentality spreads throughout a society. An example of this is Nazi Germany in which the Nazi rhetoric spread throughout the culture at a rapid speed. Great job!
Namaste
Deva
Hey Deva,
Thank you so much, I'm excited to learn!!
Blessings, Cameron
Hi Deva and Everyone,
I have a question about behavioral contagion... I understand how the 11th house archetype would rule over that phenomenon being its like a group mental hysteria and I have witnessed this in many people and also not so much in others. I realize the whole chart determines these things but my question is does the phenomenon of behavioral contagion also due to a strong linkage to the 12th/Neptune/ Pisces archetypes as well? It seems to me that that archetype has to be strongly linked for you to see this exhibited in a person being Neptune rules consciousness as well as Neptune can make things foggy and delusive if not used conciously directed...
Heather
Thank you for continuing to teach all of us here
Hi, Heather. Thanks for posting your question about behavioral contagion. No, this phenomena does not correlate to Neptune/Pisces/12th house but specifically to the Uranus/Aquarius/11th house archetype.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you Deva
Heather
Hi Deva and Everyone, I will be posting something tomorrow morning. DDD
hi Deva,
I hope to post an 11th house Planetary Ruler response by this weekend as I, currently, have family in town. I'm reading along with you all - great response and great teaching!
in spirit,
marty
Pluto 10th/South Node 3rd/Ruler 11th House
A soul with the above signature has been learning how to identify their own voice of authority, and apply and integrate their own unique ideas and opinions, as an equal, in the context of their peer group or people they interact with in their career or social position. On the way to such autonomy and independence of thought, they have had to sort out which ideas, opinions and thoughts are their own, which are not, and be confident in claiming those ideas, opinions, etc. as their own, no matter how outlandish or too future-oriented they may be. This soul has been, and is, curious about all manner of ideas, opinions and lifestyles of various groups of people, be they mainstream or out on the fringes of society (depending on the evolutionary stage and karmic requirements). By trying on various ideas, thoughts and opinions, they can see, objectively, which ones fit the idea of how they see themselves, and which ones do not. As the soul evolves, the types and sources of information/peer groups/friends they are attracted to, and who is attracted to them, will reflect that evolution. This is a soul who, in the end, is learning to think for themselves, find their own inner voice of authority and apply that voice within the context of society in a socially relevant way. If applied in the proper way (i.e., not insisting on imposing their views on others, integrating the appropriate ideas of others, and not passing off other people's ideas as their own), this soul will be able to apply innovative and original ideas and thinking in a chosen career, or just in interacting with others in their environment. Within all of this, they must be willing to change where necessary, to take time out to reflect, sort through and take a rest from all the different opinions, ideas and thoughts that can create mental overload and depression when a state of unbalance has occurred.
Consensus
A person in the consensus state will identify and recognize the mainstream of society as the authority on lifestyle. This includes who to socialize with, where to get their information, how to present themselves in public, where they go to church, where they go on vacation, etc., etc. They would be interested in engaging in conversations with others where they could see how their ideas were fitting in with, or different than, others. In interactions with peers and friends, there would be a sense of detachment which would help the person to objectively assess what was being talked about and if it resonated with them. Sometimes, in order to feel secure, they would adopt the ideas of others even if it did not resonate with them. They might internally try on these ideas, realize they didn't fit but deny it to themselves, and stick with those ideas anyway in order to feel accepted by the group. With the intensity of a 10th House Pluto, these people will be able to see how groups of people are structured and how they think together and as individuals. If used with honest intentions, they could use such insights to help with the evolution of such groups and their intentions, offering fresh ways of applying new and unique ideas for the benefit of all. Such insights could also be used deviously to benefit themselves in the form of social manipulation (we can see currently how group-think manipulation is being used by our American reptile-in-chief for his own ends). Evolution must proceed, and keeping in mind the ever-curious mind of a Gemini south node combined with the 11th House ruler, a time would probably arrive where the soul becomes mentally exhausted and has no idea which ideas are their own and which ideas are everybody else's. As evolution proceeds, through introspection, confrontation or both, the soul will have new ideas and thoughts reflecting potential new directions and growth which better represent their own deductions and ideas as separate from everyone else's. Before evolution can proceed, challenges will arise as security needs clash with the need to move forward. They may lose friends, become disinterested in certain media, books, conversations that no longer reflect the inner reality of the soul. If they continue to cling to ideas and perceptions they really don't resonate with in a stubborn refusal to embrace the future, they could lose a career or become isolated through rejection by their peer group. Or, they could lose social standing by using the ideas of others without giving them due recognition, or by not initiating action on new ideas of their own through fear of rejection and insecurity. In this case they need to learn to take responsibility for their own unique ideas regardless of whether or not those ideas are accepted by mainstream society.
Individuated
In the individuated state, the soul will be attracted to, and feel secure with, ideas that are outside the thoughts, perceptions, consumption habits, and general lifestyle etc. of consensus society. They will read books, consume media, talk to, and exchange ideas and thoughts with people who are also interested in the same things. They may join groups on a regular basis where they can engage in discussions on subjects of all kinds that are considered non-mainstream. These people will possess all the same qualities as described above, but they will be more daring in that they will be less afraid of ideas and opinions that are considered too different for the consensus. With their ability to detach and review all manner of ideas - their own and others' - they can choose the ones they resonate with, adopt some, reject some, cobble some together, and apply them to career paths if they so choose. As mentioned above, a particular ability to see and understand the overall emotional/mental/physical structure of groups of people can help these souls become great leaders (for better or worse). With an ability to operate and see things uniquely, combined with an openness to considering new ways of looking at things put forward by others, they can combine parts of still-useful systems and structures from the past with new ways and ideas. With these unique combinations of ideas and concepts from the past and those that are more future-oriented, these people can help and/or lead society in new directions with confidence and the ability to communicate powerfully in such a way that others can understand what is being said and why it is being said, in a way that does not threaten mainstream thinking. In some cases, such forward-thinking, future oriented ideas are too much and too outlandish for those in the consensus, and they, along with their ideas, will be rejected outright. The soul must then reflect on what went wrong, how they need to adjust their ideas and/or how it is presented. Some may be able to do just that, others may have to shelve their ideas because they are too far ahead of their time. With their natural leadership ability, courage and honest motivations, their innovative and creative ideas can be applied to help move society forward in ways that benefit everyone.
Spiritual
To a greater or lesser extent, these souls will be operating outside of our time/space reality, having completely identified with the Source of all. Depending on other factors within the birth chart, they may not be part of any group whatsoever, preferring to be a group of one on their inner journey, their unique, innovative ideas communicated directly from God/Goddess, in ways that are not communicable to others in common language. That which can be communicated will be done so with objectivity and clarity in ways that resonate with many. These souls will be able to see how humanity is structured physically and mentally, and understand time cycles and ages and how humanity is reflecting those cycles in the individual and collective choices they make. Some of these souls will open spiritual centers/ashrams where people of like-mind can gather to share a common desire to align their ego/sense of self with the Source, practice service to others, and find their way home. On that path, they will be serving humanity in their own ways, comfortable and secure in the uniqueness of their contribution. If these souls do choose to work with humanity, they will feel at ease with all people. With their souls firmly established in the Universal they can become powerful conduits for timely messages that humanity needs at any given time.
In all of the above, objectivity and detachment will be applied in the thought processes and perceptions of souls with this planetary signature. If all works well, insecurity and defensiveness will be replaced with openness, responsibility and courage where people with unique and fresh ideas can join others with their own unique ideas in science, politics, art, humanities or whatever field they choose. Such positive collaboration can serve to benefit humanity and move us all forward on our evolutionary journey. DDD
Hi, DDD. Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the different expressions of this natal signature within the evolutionary conditions. Also, I like that you included that Soul's in the individuated state can naturally take in information within a group and make it their own, so to speak. In this way, they have the ability to help humanity move forwards. Yes, in the spiritual state the Soul does have the capacity to communicate our unique design as created by the Source, or spirit. Our understanding of our intrinsic individuality becomes linked with the understanding that we are reflections of the Universal Source and all have a unique design.
Namaste
Deva
hi all, I'd like to attempt:
"How a planetary ruler in the 11th house will facilitate the development of the egocentric structure of the South Node in the 3rd house."
The individuals' S. Node is in Sagittarius, the ruler of which is in the 11th house, which would have a facilitating effect upon their S. Node in the 3rd house.
Starting with Pluto in the 10th, the individual would have a deep, unconscious evolutionary desire to cultivate the emotional body, and to find their own, inner authority. This would bring them new, and renewed inner security that would no longer be dependent upon external validation.
With the S. Node in the 3rd house, the individual would be immersed in the world of communication, whether it be written or spoken, and they would, no doubt, be a student of many different disciplines that speak to their cultural upbringing, faith, political background, or curious nature in general. The 3rd house speaks to how we learn to learn, and the parameters within which we develop our intellectual structure, whether we are aware of them or not.
They would, most likely, be adept at fact-gathering and research that feeds their curiosity, but not too far out of bounds with their pre-conceived belief patterns. In short, they would be inclined to continue learning along the lines of what they have already learned, as this is the pull of the S. Node - to feel safe to expound upon the premises that already fit into their current ideologies. These souls may have been gravitating to those of like mind (comfort zone), peers, and contemporaries (however "˜eccentric') for many lifetimes, and conformity to groups of like-minded individuals may have formed a pattern of how they relate to society.
This would bring us to the facilitating effect of Jupiter (the planetary ruler of the S.Node) in the 11th house. Because the 11th house archetype is one of social orientation, the individual would, most likely, have been developing a mind-set that embraces the cultural and philosophical conditioning of other like-minded individuals. This mindset may be either mainstream or alternative in nature, but it would be influenced and encouraged by others who share the same ideologies.
It's possible that the individual may have been involved in faith-based pursuits, political or social doctrine, and they may have become comfortably skilled in disseminating such doctrine, as in propaganda dispersal (Jupiter / Sagittarius being a naturally disseminating archetype). They may have worked closely with, or have been involved in, the control of printed doctrine, oration, publication, radio or television news propagation. They may have a firmly based belief system in "˜truths' that are shared, explained and acknowledged, but not necessarily, self-evident. These "˜truths' may have been garnered from the dominant views of the social groups that they have belonged to, as opposed to the result of meditative consideration.
With the S. Node in the 3rd house, in Sagittarius, the individual may have formed strong opinions about their immediate circumstances and reality based on the popular views of their peers. These opinions would create a filter to any new information or thought patterns that don't fit into their world-view. Although the S. Node in the 3rd house individual would be curious and adept at entertaining new viewpoints and data of all kinds, they would, sub-consciously, be influenced by the prevailing social group of choice, as to whether the information was worthy of further study.
""¦the 11th house is the primary archetype that the Soul will use to develop the egocentric structure of the past symbolized by the South Node in the 3rd house." - Deva Green
With the planetary ruler, Jupiter in the 11th house, it is possible that the individual has been aligned with various cultural points-of-view, to the extent that they have learned to pick and choose those views that are of interest to them and synthesize them into a personal hybrid point-of -view. Of course, these individuals would be considered "˜fringe' thinkers and would seek the company of other like-minded individuals, who have dared to think "˜outside of the box'.
With Jupiter in the 11th, these individuals may have felt the need to break away from polite society and form their own alternatively-minded social groups, or they may have naturally gravitated to those who are already functioning outside of mainstream ideology. The evolutionary intent of their past has been to progressively de-condition and detach (Uranus) from old opinions and thought patterns that keep them from realizing the possibilities (Jupiter) for new thought patterns, and thus, stimulate new intellectual growth.
In my opinion, the signature, given to us thus far, would describe a person who is intent in keeping the gates of the mind open, to the extent that they would strive to be conscious of jaded and opinionated thought patterns, daily, and try to replace them with "˜what if' thought patterns. This is an evolutionary intent to free the mind that can become conscious, with acknowledgment, and teach necessary objectivity, and the ability to stand back and observe a situation instead of simply reacting to it.
These individuals can gain better control of their personal security by allowing the natural mental processes to spark and flow instead of constantly questioning them, and, like electricity, 11th house inspiration can build to emotional, physical, intellectual or spiritual shock if not allowed to flow. As the individual learns to consider disparate points-of-view, and new information and thought processes (before automatically dismissing them) they will, simultaneously, be de-conditioning from the mental modes of the past and allow for the formation of new philosophies and realizations, never before entertained, to enter into their thoughts, minds, dreams and personal reality.
Because the 11th house deals with all forms of unresolved trauma, Jupiter in the 11th could suggest past lives in which the individual was ostracized from polite society due to their political, religious, cultural or philosophical idealism. It could also suggest an individual with subconscious memory of trauma associated with their personal alliance to groups on the fringe of society. The individual may carry past-life memory of emotional, spiritual, intellectual or physical trauma. They may experience such trauma in the current life which would catalyze a deeper need to individuate and stand up for their deepest beliefs in order to stop repeating past cycles of shock and disapproval.
In other words, the 11th house, being a fixed, air house, can create conditions in which an individual becomes immersed in their own, unique, rigid way of thinking - no matter how radical and revolutionary - and they need to be confronted and challenged by others so that they may continue to re-address their personal, out-moded ways of thinking in order to allow for new thought formation and inductive thinking to flow. Their ideologies and philosophies would, most certainly, form and re-form, and by taking in new thought patterns, bit by bit, the brain is able to create new dendrites which allows for new electrical conduits of mental discovery. With Jupiter in the 11th, these individuals may have been on the path of developing the other 90% of their brain (Uranus / Sagittarius influence), as they learn to heed and consider the repeated messages they receive during the day or when asleep at night. They are beginning the mental processes of quieting the mind so that they may better perceive the pure thought forms that are continuously created and generated from Source.
Consensus state- these individuals would still be contained in, and influenced by, external authority and peer pressure. They would be persuaded by prevailing belief patterns and subscribe to the postulations of those who are of like mind. No matter how progressive, these individuals would want to conform to a group that allows them the security of uniform thought. They may be learning to think for themselves, but not willing to give up the familiarity of what they have striven so hard to study and define up to this time. Repeated confrontation of their rigid world-views may keep them in defensive fear mode until they have they find the courage to defend their own out-dated beliefs, which brings us to the ...
Indivduated state - these individuals would be launching toward personal authority and philosophical autonomy by seeking out alternatively-based, like-minded social groups. They would be most drawn to the eclectic and esoteric principles that allow for open interpretation of thoughts and ideas. They would be learning to express themselves in an open, non-threatening atmosphere, and by doing so, allow the renewing of their personal belief-systems, and WAY of thinking, in general to develop and flow.
They would be learning to liberate from the fear based mainstream, and learning to give themselves permission to free up from previously ingrained mental processes (due to past fear of being ostracized or persecuted). They would be experiencing counter-point awareness through the individuation process, and feel the need to stoically defend their need to be different as they mature intellectually. They are de-conditioning from all manner of Saturnian conditioning as the 11th house will stir up social and intellectual trauma stored in long-term memory. They are beginning to wake up to the fact that they are not alone in the individuation process, and that they have a capacity to encourage others to examine their most ingrained opinions and biases, which leads us to the ...
Spiritual state- the individual will find the opportunity to embrace their inalienable right to be free of external authority, and grow in understanding and relationship toward the Creative Source as they know it, as natural as a plant turns its' face to the sun.
They will have life experiences of becoming part of something bigger than themselves, realizing that their lives are not their own, but that they are part of a bigger picture. They will be beginning to have life experiences in which they begin to believe in themselves - even if that intellectual reality is constantly changing, and even if their "˜committee' is a committee of one. Their natural charisma will challenge others to find their own inner direction, and will encourage others to think for themselves, and to have the courage to confront jaded belief systems that are barriers to personal growth, and to society as a whole.
These individuals have been working to free their minds of bias and rigidity in order to become socially responsible and an inspiration to others to follow their own lead.
Footnote: I'd like to mention that in studying "Pluto in the 11th House" in Jeffrey's "Pluto", volume 1", at Deva's suggestion, I came across David Bowie's chart with an 11th house Pluto example! I was absolutely astounded that Jeffrey had published a "private source" natal chart for David that had Pluto in the 11th!
Those who know me, know that I'd been, passionately, lecturing on David Bowie for over a year. I'd done my own private research and rectification and came up with a natal chart that was only one degree different from what Jeffrey had published. This chart is highly controversial, as all other popular examples give David an Aquarius ascendant, and a 7th house Pluto, which I knew, intuitively, was wrong.
David has been called, "... the most loved man in history ...", which could be attributed to many but, none-the-less, speaks to the profound effect he has had on others to think for themselves, and not live their lives in compromise. His contribution to hospice-workers and 'death practitioners' has been profound, as he has inspired others to face their death, realistically, to talk about it, and to allow for the natural unfolding of a peaceful, conscious release. He has, anonymously, helped the cause of countless relief organizations, and created great effective change in the LBTGQ movement with his open comments of "... confronting the taboos of cross-gender"...
I'd like to share a brief quote from the video, "The Story of David Bowie" by Bill Welychka:
"The subject matter that I write about, I feel is fairly consistent, and has been over the years - it's always about the same thing - it's a kind of a separateness, isolation, a sense of anguish, there's some fear in there, a little bit of misery "¦ really, isolation, I guess sums it up "¦ and that's been really consistent for 30, 35 years, it's just that my way of approaching it changes, virtually, from year to year. I just try and approach, probably, the same questions in a different way each time." - David Bowie, 2002.
thank you for the opportunity to join with you all,
in spirit,
marty
Hi Deva,
i'll be able to post later today, hope that is ok.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Deva, i will post tonight, thanks for waiting.
Hi Deva and Everyone,
Planetary Ruler of the SN in the 11th House
Before going directly to the application of the planetary ruler of the SN in the 11th House i would first like to share that the 11th house archetype has been, ever since i started studying EA, one the most challenging/fascinating archetypes to grasp as a whole. Every time i go through JWG's teachings about it, Pluto books, i feel myself discovering a little bit more and instead of "˜framing' the archetype, it happens to feel like it is consistently expanding with more meaning and directions. In a way, what uranus is about - being different, difficult to condition, difficult to define.
With uranus/aquarius/11th house there is a need to break free from any definition we have been made to fit. This process of freedom consists in stepping aside this centred definition of reality and detach from any label, conditioning or frame, society is trying to impose. This would be the impulse, the desire and the evolutionary need. How any soul is going to actually break free can take many forms (even either one of repressing this need and conforming to the group).
The problem seems to be that self-definition and identity have become a reflection of what society, parents, friends and associations represent or expect from the individual, and at some point the soul will naturally feel the need to rebel from that reflection and create/find a unique voice, either standing as group of one or being the voice for the group.
With Pluto in the 10th house and the south node in the 3rd house, the soul has been desiring to have a significant role in society. By way of the south node, it has desired to know more, find enough information and acquire enough knowledge to support that role and authority.
If the ruler of south node is in the 11th house, this role to represent in society will involve a group association of some kind, but more than that a differentiation either within the group, the group itself in the context of society, or both. Throughout the different evolutionary states, the ideas and information that provide for the soul's inner sense of security tend to represent a fringe of society, a special privileged or underprivileged group/ideology. Actually, following and professing an alternative ideology could be a very accurate definition for this specific archetype combination. Even more if we consider that here we have a combination of cardinal, mutable and fixed energies. So we have the soul starting insecure about the steps to take, following with adjustments in ideas and concepts, holding then tightly to what considers information and ideas that have been chosen to built security. Could we see it that way? If so, we can have a soul that might be very defensive of its own ideas, ever finding arguments and explanations, whatever it takes to be heard as rightfully different. Eventually trying to impose ideas on others and/or fight for what it believes to be right, against all others in society that do not agree. A sense of identity built on the fundamentals of what one is not.
In the consensus state this can manifest as group association with the ones that have privileges in mainstream society, that have access to power structures and are in itself congregations of power/knowledge, be it a church, a political party, university fraternity. The main desire would be to belong to this differentiated group in society and by belonging to that group, those ideas, gain a renewed sense of self and personal authorithy.
In the individuated state, this can be a person who belongs to the radical political party, the one that does not represent the majority by any means, the one that will never win the elections. This party can be completely future oriented, fighting all that is old a outdated, or completely the opposite, a political party trying to bring back the old systems of government. Both trying to fight the 'system'. Actually, in my home country we have now a live example of the first case, where the recently created party of "˜people, animals and nature' have elected just one sole deputy for the whole national parliament.
It is in this state that we can also see the unusual thinkers, artists, writers and voices of the new/old generations. The ones that try to present ideas and represent groups that are marginalised/outcast and, through this people's voices, can have a voice, a place of existence in society. One of Rad's posts this week actually made me think of how these social group dynamics are so present when we hear now of feminism, where the writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie addresses the issues of feminism becoming a mainstream slogan trend, being a symbol of social exclusivity and the trouble behind the actual use of the word and meaning of it, because of its group associations.
In the spiritual state, there would be a desire to absolute detach from anything that prevents the soul to unite with the Source, and so the desire to be part of communities that share and support the same spiritual values. This soul could become a great leader and inspire many others with spoken or written words to also detach and break free from past conditions and embrace paths of true soul alignment.
Hi, Marty. Thanks for contributing to the message board and making the efforts that you have on this thread. While what you have written is correct astrologically it does not address the current step we are practicing on this thread. The current step is to apply the meaning of a planetary ruler in the 11th house relative to the development of the egocentric structure symbolized by the South Node in the 3rd house. You put Jupiter as the planetary ruler but no sign as yet been given to the South Node as that is the next step in the paradigm. If you would like to post about the current step in the paradigm as described above feel free to re-post.
Hi, Helena: Great job! What you have written accurately describes this natal signature relative to the Evolutionary States. You bring up a good point about the fixed nature of the 11th house, and the mental rigidity that this may reflect in this natal signature. Yes, the need to liberate from any given definition can create the situation of defining oneself relative to what one is against or opposed to within a given society. In my view, true liberation occurs as the ability to stand as a group of one when necessary instead of being defined through the act of rebellion itself or through a given social group. An approach that may help the Soul integrate within society in this way to define, on it's own terms, what the Soul stands for and feels most aligned with on an authentic level. The ability to stand as a group of one can be developed by the act of defining what the Soul stands for rather then what It stands against.
Namaste
Deva
I'll post as soon as I can. Spring cleaning in a new space, working quite a bit, but looking forward to putting in the effort for this EA interpretation.
Cheers,
Edward
Pluto in 10th house, SN in 3rd house, SN ruler in 11th house
The planetary ruler in 11th house serves as a facilitator to actualize the South Node in the 3rd house.
With SN's ruler in 11th house, Souls will feel their ideas/way of thinking and communication/information they are attracted to are inherently different with others in their immediate environment, thus they are detached from society/social norm/mainstream ideas/trend, even detached from the time (either they are more identified with old time values or future oriented values). Souls with this signature have tried to decondition from external information/mental structure doesn't reflect their essential self-identity, being different/weird/bizarre, or express themselves in this way may have caused trauma/emotional shock in past lives, they may have been judged/humiliated/rejected/exiled by mainstream society. They desire to find where to stand in a society, find a place to belong, thus they will naturally look for/attract like mind friends/groups, where they can feel safe to express different ideas. Because they feel different and detached, they will observe the society from outside, like watching movies, in this way they will develop objectivity to see things as they are, to understand who they are and how society works, what the society/community requires, how their individuality can merge with society's needs, to understand the essence of being different without feeling being threatened/defensive/pressure to conform, understand it's their evolutionary condition to be different, to break free from past, shed skin to discover their Soul's essential identity. They may also experiences sudden change in groups/friendships, when their consciousness grow out of the group they are in, they may attracted different type of groups/friends, which reflect variety possibility of future choices, reflect different part of themselves or expose part of them has been repressed yet yearn to be manifested, to objectively understand the complex of their own identity, they may attracted individuals who are more advanced/weird/radical than themselves, through communication/interacting, bring future oriented information/ideas, they will feel the push/pull towards these ideas, fear it's too unrealistic/radical, resistant to absorb these information, because it will threaten their familiar security; or they may be attracted to these new ideas/information, perceive as future possibility/potential for their own growth, to liberate themselves even further. They may also experiences difficulty/blockage in school system, because the need to reject/rebel from any information doesn't truly define who they are, or provide growth align with their soul's evolutionary intentions, at the same time, they can be genius/revolutionary in certain area that align with their unique mental structure. Souls with this signature have very restless/high frequency minds, and special vibration which can be perceived as different by others (even they don't know what exactly is different), in some condition, mind is the only place they can have absolute freedom, and if they listen the voice within, they will have repeat messages come up in certain period of time, this kind of massage is guidance from their soul, lead them to information/experiences/like mind souls they needed, by awakening/decondition/break free within their mind first, they can change their reality.
Consensus State:
In consensus state, souls with this signature will feel they need external power/position to freely express their ideas, they will join/form groups with like mind people to gain social status, by becoming authority they can express themselves without being judged. They are natural group leaders, will also try to impose their group's vision/ideas of how individuals/society should be into their environment or even mainstream society, to create new trend/rules, these people can be very creative in their own professional field, develop new technology/skills or they can be social reformists, rebels, revolutionary and a political activist.
As we are getting closer to Aquarian age, in a lot of society, sub-group becomes trend of how people connecting, especially with internet, more and more websites are serving sub-groups with special common interest, such as variety of dating websites, alien/UFO study groups, astrology groups and so on, people who feel different/dissociated in their own immediate environment can find a mind connection/certain level of freedom/be themselves and feel safe in this detached way, Aquarian archetype also has ability to travel space/time, with this signature, if souls can't relate to anyone/anything in their environment, they can also objectively understand themselves, especially the part they feel different, not accepted by mainstream, by reading books which resonate with their own journey, to feel validated by someone else, they are not completely alone, in this way to decondition from fear/shame of being different. Of course this will lead them into next evolutionary state.
Individuated State:
Souls in this state want absolute freedom to access information provide them further growth. They have natural curiosity about knowledge reflect their unique individuality, also rebel/reject any restrictions or imposed mainstream value, they desire to grow out of mainstream consciousness, decondition from social/family/peer group condition, break free from old way of thinking, to align with who they really are. They may choose a career path different with anyone in their environment, their career may serve certain groups of people, they may use their knowledge to encourage others to think out of box, help liberating/healing others. In individuated State, souls are aware of other countries/societies/cultures, extend to another way of living, another way of interpreting reality, this knowledge will help them to expand their consciousness, especially when they find a language/knowledge system better resonate their special identity, better express their ideas, they will find validation within by accessing these new possibilities, introduce these new ideas to like mind groups/friends, this will help them developing inner authority/security of being different, they need to express their unique voice, being group of 1 if necessary.
In the process of individuation, souls may experiences extreme mental trauma, different voice/thought may be accused "crazy" by mainstream, their idealist/radical idea may threaten consensus, thus being oppressed/persecuted /shamed, they also need to develop objectivity about these trauma resorted in long term memory, detach from deep fear/anger of being over-powered/shut up/restrained, to decondition from past trauma, so they can find their authority voice to express themselves even they are different. I can see unique writers/rap singers with this signature, who can analysis society/life/trauma/reality in a very unique/detached/ironic way, in their work itself can attract souls resonate with them, be a voice to help others find their inner authority about their individuality. Also back to example in China, government controlling information, people with this signature can be hackers to break free from restrictions/rules, use their genius mind/skills to provide others a way to access information, or they can be a voice/journalist to expose contrast information.
Spiritual State:
Souls will naturally connecting with higher mind, act as messenger travel between worlds/realms, channeling information which can change the way others perceive reality. They may contain seed thoughts, or act as seed people to help consensus world evolve. They will gradually remember their soul's evolutionary journey/long term memories, and logically understand natural law/karmic laws, the why of any experiences/trauma/blockage, and they will understand their role in society as doing God's work, to deliver enlightening message to help mundane consciousness awakening.
11th house correlates to electric, 3rd house can correlates to hands, I can imagine souls with this signature within spiritual state, being Reiki master/ hypnotist/Astrologer/Tarot reader healing others trauma.
hi Deva,
thanks for your time and teaching. I must have mis-read the beginning of your assignment (dyslexic) - will try again next time. What a great group!
in spirit,
marty
Hi, Wei. Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately describes this natal signature within the Evolutionary Conditions. You make a good point that the Soul may "out grow" an existing group in regards to the need for intellectual development and liberation. Uranus/Aquarius/11th house also correlates to the formation of dendrites in the brain which connects to electrical impulses in the brain whenever an "ah-ha" moment occurs. In other words, whenever we make a connection a new dendrite forms in the brain. This process is reflected by the Uranus/Aquarius/11th house archetype. Great job!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva,
Thanks for your teaching! It's interesting you mentioned the example that in the German language there is no word for emotion. With SN ruler in 11th house, i am thinking the reason soul with this signature born in this type of language environment, could be evolution necessity to detach with emotion, to develop their left brain/logical mind, maybe this is because 10th house Pluto, they have been in critical position (for example being leader in a war) to make decision for society, that require them to make decision absolutely based on facts/logic, to make sense, not affect by personal feeling.
Hi, Wei. Thanks for posting your question! While what you are saying is correct, the reason I brought up the example of German culture and language is to illustrate the impact of language in regards to cultural conditioning. Language serves as a conditioning factor in the context of the Pluto in the 10th house, and the SN in the 3rd house. We all have natural emotions no matter what culture we are born into. In other words, just because there is no word for emotion in the German culture does not mean that the German society does not experience emotions just as we all do. In the context of natal signature we are practicing, the evolutionary intentions are to liberate from the impact of the emotional repression of the culture as reflected by the language that is taught. Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house reflects the need to express natural emotions, and to develop an internalized state of security regardless of the social norms of the society of birth. Please let me know if you have any more questions.
Namaste
Deva
Quote from: Deva on Mar 16, 2017, 11:18 AM
Hi, Wei. Thanks for posting your question! While what you are saying is correct, the reason I brought up the example of German culture and language is to illustrate the impact of language in regards to cultural conditioning. Language serves as a conditioning factor in the context of the Pluto in the 10th house, and the SN in the 3rd house. We all have natural emotions no matter what culture we are born into. In other words, just because there is no word for emotion in the German culture does not mean that the German society does not experience emotions just as we all do. In the context of natal signature we are practicing, the evolutionary intentions are to liberate from the impact of the emotional repression of the culture as reflected by the language that is taught. Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house reflects the need to express natural emotions, and to develop an internalized state of security regardless of the social norms of the society of birth. Please let me know if you have any more questions.
Namaste
Deva
That's very clear, thank you! It's interesting, i think this also reflect, language evolving as people expanding their consciousness, need to create new vocabulary.
Thanks!
Hi Deva,
once more thank you for your comment and for your teachings.
I really find very helpful this that you mentioned as an integration for the whole archetypes we've been studying so far.
Quote from: Deva on Mar 14, 2017, 12:51 PM
An approach that may help the Soul integrate within society in this way to define, on it's own terms, what the Soul stands for and feels most aligned with on an authentic level. The ability to stand as a group of one can be developed by the act of defining what the Soul stands for rather then what It stands against.
Hi, all-
Thanks for the continued efforts on the practice thread! I would like to start on the next step which is to add signs to the signature we are working on. I would like to post by Friday the 24th at the latest. Does this sound OK?
Edward, do you intend to participate on the practice thread? If so could you please give an estimated time frame of when you could complete your post?
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva, ready when you are to keep going. Thanks. DDD :)
Hi Everyone,
Yes Deva ready whenever you are
Heather
Pluto in the 10th/South Node in the 3rd/S.N. Ruler in the 11th
The 11th House is curious, as it can manifest in three different ways - pure rebellion (Uranus), the strict adherence of outdated ideas (Saturn), or the combination of the two. Like any other aspect, the rest of the chart is going to provide clues to the way that this positioning reflects itself in the person's life.
The above configuration, with the South Node ruler located in the 11th House, is going to reflect a person using their sense of communication to continually develop a greater understanding of their role in a systemic understanding of the world. They will act as an authority on this understanding, convincing others of their own perspective, most likely using a proof of sorts. In its less confident form, the individual will attach to answers in all forms, in the attempt to nullify their innate feeling of being different. Whether a leader or follower, the individual will have strong judgements on the actions of others, as their hesitant inner security is projected outward into their environment.
Consensus State
This individual is going to have a strict adherence to an understanding of the world developed through "rulebooks" of various sorts. In order to fit in, they will have a vision of reality which clearly sets the boundaries between what is appropriate action and what is not. They will have an active conditioning into this understanding, learning from the types of communities which they belong to (mainstream), as well as reading and absorbing information. This obsession with right behavior stems from an innate feeling of being different, and the attempt to qualm that dis-ease with information. Ultimately, they will play a role in solidifying the social structure to which they belong, by crafting guidelines (which can further condition others) that do not acknowledge the varying internal experiences had by people. This reflects, therefore, a shallowness, as the individual tries to maintain a structure of reality (and outer security), linking a number of seemingly arbitrary rules together, and calling it a system. This could present itself in a high school setting (what constitutes as cool) or an outcast group (acting a role, without a proper understanding of the actual idealisms - a punk or hippie).
Individuated State
This individual is going to have a natural instinct to transform its social surroundings - whether that's in the direction of rebellion or more traditional values will depend on other chart aspects - ultimately, they will feel a dissatisfaction, as if the space that they inhabit is not quite up-to-par with their idealized, systematic understanding of that very thing. They are natural leaders, able to convince others using well-formed arguments as to how to achieve social progress. However, all change (internal or external) is rooted in that sense of dissatisfaction with the current structure of reality, which will continue to persist throughout the Soul's passage through the individuated state.
Spiritual State
This individual now recognizes themselves as a conduit for natural law, and is able to eloquently communicate to others a particular means to work more in alignment with God. During the initial stages of the spiritual state, the individual will most likely still be attached to their mode of thinking, which although is tuning into natural law, they are still only able to perceive their fraction of the whole. Regardless, they will consider themselves a leader, and attempt to convince others to their frame-of-mind, as if, with a large enough following, their systematic understanding becomes increasingly more legitimate. The difference between the occurrence here and the individuated state, is that this individual is going to be more receptive to limitations in their process of thinking. Perhaps they will recognize that nothing seems to satisfy their innate feeling of distance from the actions of others, and that no group can replace the feeling of following one's inner security and union with God. This individual will be skilled at synthesizing the ideas of others (older texts, as well contemporaries), into a new system, which ironically often creates more holes than the ideas that they initially borrowed from. A lesson here, is in the multi-faceted nature of the human experience, and the impossibility to combine every perspective into one, past our direct relationship with God. This individual, in their highest potential, will be able to communicate to others a system of non-exclusivity, grounded in creative freedom and spirituality, and will act as a direct voice to Spirit in human form.
Hi Deva and everyone,
I am ready for next step as well.
yes, Deva,
it will be interesting to add signs to the lesson that we are working on. thanks for your time and effort.
marty
Hi Deva,
yes, i can follow too.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi, Edward. What you have written is accurate in terms of the possible expressions of the natal signature within the evolutionary states. The judgement of appropriate behavior is linked with the specific social group that is of like mind. Yes, the specific group of like mindedness is determined by the Soul's evolutionary condition. The individual's mental attitudes and view points are then conditioned by the overall group mentality. Mental rigidity is linked to the ideas of the social group. One point to clarify is that those in the consensus state are often threatened by those who do not conform to the status quo. This is because it threatens their underlying sense of emotional security that is linked to such conformity. As a result, Soul's in this evolutionary state will not take information from social groups that advocate alternatives to current mainstream practices or traditions. Great job!
Hi all:
The next step is to add signs to Pluto, the South Node, and the planetary ruler. The sign "conditions" the house of any given planet in the natal chart. Many people have Pluto in the same sign and share the same generalized generational evolutionary lessons. For example, the Pluto in Virgo generation all share the same general evolutionary intentions of service to the Whole, or society, self-improvement, and self-analysis. Self-analysis reflects the need to make necessary adjustments in order for improvement to take place. This generation came into social power during times of great economic and environmental crisis. However,he specific house that Pluto in Virgo occupies in the natal chart determines how these generational lessons will be learned by in a unique and individualized context. In this way, the sign conditions the expression of the house of any given planet within the natal chart.
To continue with our example, let's put Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, the South Node in Libra in the 3rd house, and the planetary ruler Venus in Scorpio in the 11th house. How do the signs condition the
expression of this natal signature in the context of the specific house placements discussed so far? Simply stated, the Pluto in the 10th house is conditioned by the Virgo archetype of service to the whole, or society, self-improvement, and an emphasized focus on self-analysis. In addition, the focus upon right work is symbolized by this natal Pluto. The need to discern natural guilt from learned, or acquired, guilt is
reflected as well. Crisis may be experienced in order to induce the necessary awareness of the impact of learned guilt, and to ultimately jettison such guilt from the Soul.
The South Node in Libra symbolizes that the collection of information occurred within relationships. The Soul initiated a diversity of relationships with others in order to take in a variety view points,
ideas, and information. The planetary ruler is Venus in Scorpio in the 11th house. This symbolizes that information from others is psychologically based. Within this the Soul will naturally desire to determine the motivations and/or agendas of others: where they are coming from. In this way, the Soul can determine those of like mind through which it then forms personal, intimate, and or natural friendships or allegiances to others.
In addition, the Soul desires to understand the "bottom line" of the information and view points that are collected from any given social group. In other words, through listening (South Node in Libra in the 3rd
house) the Soul will develop the ability to identify the psychology of the group. In this way, the Soul can evaluate through comparison and contrast the differing view points, attitudes, and beliefs of various
social groups.
With Venus in Scorpio, the Soul will resist taking in view points or ideas from groups or others that conflict with the pre-existing relationship(s) or social group. With this natal signature, the Soul will naturally gravitate towards information relative to the desire to establish a profession that is service oriented.
　　　
Consensus State: In the Consensus State this natal signature will manifest as relationships with others who are perceived as authorities within the mainstream society. For example, relative to the planetary
ruler in Venus in Scorpio in the 11th house, the Soul may gather information from differing established authorities within psychological community. With the South Node in Libra and Venus in the 11th house, the Soul may compare and contrast a variety of view points and information from voices of authority figures within an existing social group. Relative to Venus in Scorpio in the 11th house the Soul will not take in any information that contradicts the view points points of the socially accepted mainstream group.
Individuated State: In this Evolutionary Condition, the Soul will initiate relationships with like minded others who desire to liberate and de-condition from mainstream society. With this natal signature, an alternative social group that shares the same psychological orientation towards individuation will become the vehicle through which the Soul collects a diversity of information, view points, and data. For example, hypnotherapy, past life regression, and Jungian psychology are all alternative healing fields. The Soul will have an innate ability to synthesize a diversity of information into a unique and individualized system.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State the Soul will initiate relationships with others who desire to commit to a service oriented healing path. This natal signature reflects that the Soul will collect information of a timeless, universal nature from a variety of spiritual communities and voices of authorities. In this Evolutionary Condition,the individual will have an innate ability to communicate knowledge of a timeless nature to a diversity of groups and communities. With Venus in Scorpio in the 11th house, the bottom line is based the idea of universal communities of like mindedness.
If you have any questions please ask now. Otherwise, please write in your own words how the signs given in the above example will condition the expression of this natal signature.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
I have to admit now with adding all this new information the task at hand seems rather daunting. For one my understanding of the depth of each archetype is very limited at this time in my studies as well as I am finding it really hard to write about a chart that we don't have any information about. There is no story or context for this Soul to work with and only bits and pieces are available to analyze. The possibilities really are endless and to write about this in full would be exhaustive as every Soul is unique and uses the energies inherent to them in there own unique way. So all I can do is write about the bottom line of what this soul might be coming in with and because I do not have any information or context to add to my interpretation the only thing I can lean on is balance and polarity points. I know we are talking about the past orientation that the Soul is coming in with now but for me to understand that I cant help but think about the polarity points. Pluto in Virgo 10th polarity Pisces 4th south node in the 3rd Libra polarity 9th in Aries and the ruler of the south Venus in 11th in Scorpio polarity Taurus 5th.
Everything we are looking at here really depends on how evolved and balanced this Soul is. I am having a hard time seeing the strong balance here unless this Soul is highly evolved. With Pluto in Virgo in the 10th we are examining the whole Virgo Pisces axis as well as the whole Capricorn Cancer axis. This is a Soul who is coming in with a security and desire linked with having a voice of authority in society a position a role of substance linked with the Virgo archetype of service to the whole Now we add the south node in the 3rd in Libra the orientation to that desire is linked with facts information and communications through a diversity of relationships and with the ruler of the South being Venus in the 11th in Scorpio a Soul who most likely is highly identified with group mentality and these groups will have a Scorpio flare so psychologically based.
I thought about this for a while and then went back to my original thoughts that this Soul will be working on liberating from the constructs of the mind in this life. Now with adding the new information it makes it even more specific to liberating from relationships that are conditioning the mental constructs of the mind. Most likely this Soul will be coming in with an over attachment to relationships, south node in Libra especially when you consider the ruler being Venus in the 11th security linked with others and the group and this is double with the fact that Venus is in Scorpio being a fixed sign and its natural ruler is Pluto. Unconscious security linked with relationships based on group mentality. The possibility of unbalance is likely here when we are talking about Venus with the outer side of Venus being Libra others and how we relate to others, now with Venus being in Scorpio with Pluto in Virgo we are talking about a highly analytical and psychological orientation to life. This Soul will be purging to the bottom line of the system of the social sphere it finds itself in as well as to the bottom line of how it is psychologically geared and how others are geared as well as how to use these things to actualize that Pluto in the 10th in Virgo. If there is a lot of unbalance then you could see how this might lead to an inappropriate desire for power and authority especially if this chart indicates that this Soul if over identified with others and is not following its own natural instincts. With Venus being in Scorpio in the 11th the ruler of the South node in Libra in the 3rd I would think this is where the Soul would be working on analyzing how relationships are effecting or conditioning or even controlling ones own mental structures and in turn how one will go about actualizing itself in society and with in the family because of this. The Soul will most likely be coming into this life getting to the bottom line of where it actually feels authentic, getting to and analyzing who they are what they stand for and how others color and that. The Soul will be coming into this life evaluating the purging of relationships with others intimately and as well with in groups that are not in true alignment with the Soul. This evaluation will most likely come through the form Crisis in the external environment and through work and family functions.
In the Consensus state a Soul would most likely be highly attached to group mentality as well as relationships with others and will most likely adopt or osmose others into themselves and the group mentality. Security will be linked with others in some sort of position of authority in society and there may be a strong desire to lead others or be lead. There may be a highly critical orientation to life and to others that do not fit into the Souls ideals relations or group mentality. At this level of development the Soul most likely will only relate and take in information from those that fit the ideals and the Soul could be very attached to groups and people who do. The work functions and social position seem to be a strong ideal here as well as the Soul may be completely over identified with its family and upbringing and anyone who does not fit into this will be in an essence almost obsolete to the Soul. There will be a strong attachment to finding some sort of positon that allows the soul to feel that it is providing a service to others and the position desired could be one that is liked with authority and power especially if there is a lot of unbalance in relating with others.
In the Individual State the Soul will be coming into this life with a two fold orientation one that is linked with rebelling the system in some way and groups and people that do not fit into the Souls inner orientation as well as the Soul will still be linked with others and groups of like mind and will have a strong orientation there. In this state this could be a Soul that is attached to elitist groups in some way that rebel against society or consensus reality. This could be a Soul that desires to link its identity through groups that perform unique services to society like the alternative healing field. There will be strong desires linked with psychologically understanding how to undermine the system and make it different or better to find a place of authority and service in society linked with some sort of genius capacity that the Soul has to give back to society.
In the Spiritual state this could be a Soul that is highly psychologically geared and understands the system as well as the physical and metaphysical world. The relationships formed to others and to the group through instinct will be of like mind for the greater good of service to society on a whole.
In all cases though we are talking about a Soul who is coming into this life with a strong attachment to others through relationships and through groups and the Soul will be peering to the bottom line of its own psychological dynamics and others psychological dynamics the soul forms relationships with to understand itself and others and how others could be influencing the Soul and the mental constructs in a positive or negative way. This will be a strong orientation coming into this life and so relationships of all kinds whether in the group or personally will be the platform that this Soul comes to understand these things about themselves through. Therefor how one actually links itself to the social role and work role in society and provides a service to society and how one relates to its functions with in the family and with others really depends on how balanced and evolved the Soul is. You can see how this can really go in so many different ways but certainly a Soul that could be a powerhouse for the greater good or greater bad in society depending on its ability to relate to others in a balanced and healthy way.
Heather
Hi, Heather. Great application of EA! I want to clarify that a full and comprehensive understanding of the archetypes is what ultimately creates the ability to accurately interpret a chart from an EA point of view. We must first study the archetypes in all their depth before we can then apply the archetypes to a specific context.
I like that you pointed out that this natal signature reflects an inherent ability to communicate to a diversity of groups. This is relative to the capacity to truly hear and listen to a variety of groups based on an understanding of the core psychology, underlying mentality, within any social group. This then becomes the determinate to who the Soul commits to in an intimate and social context. In other words, because of the capacity to hear where others are coming from, and identify their "bottom line" so to speak, the Soul will then choose who to form close personal bonds with, and whom not. Yes, an emotional attachment to those who the Soul has bonded with on a personal and social level is reflected in this natal signature. Good job!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you Deva I will keep on working on expanding my understanding of each archetype... If my mind corporates with me I will try to write a more detailed analysis....
Heather
hi Deva,
Did you mean to give the example of Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, and the South Node in Aquarius or Pisces in the 3rd house?
I understand that we're looking at 10th house Pluto, 3rd house S. Node, and 11th house planetary ruler, but with Pluto in Virgo in the 10th, that would put Aquarius on the 3rd house cusp, right?
thanks for your time and teaching,
marty
Hi, Marty. Thanks for pointing out this error in regards to the sign on the house cusps! I apologize for my mistake. The correct configuration would put Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house, and the planetary ruler is Uranus in Scorpio in the 11th house. This step of the practice thread and previous example is meant to illustrate how the signs condition the houses. However, the configuration I posted could not exist. I will re-write the example which demonstrates this same point but with the correct configuration. For those who are working on their post please use the correct configuration.
Namaste
Deva
Hi all:
As in the previous example, this example is meant to illustrate how the signs condition the house of any given planet in the natal chart. However, this example has the correct configuration relative to the signs and house cusp placements. Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, the South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house, and the planetary ruler Uranus in Scorpio in the 11th house. How do the signs condition the expression of this natal signature in the context of the specific house placements discussed so far?
Simply stated, the Pluto in the 10th house is conditioned by the Virgo archetype of service to the whole, or society, self-improvement, and an emphasized focus on self-analysis. In addition, the focus upon right work is symbolized by this natal Pluto. The need to discern natural guilt from learned, or acquired, guilt is reflected as well. Crisis may be experienced in order to induce the necessary awareness of the impact of learned guilt, and to ultimately jettison such guilt from the Soul.
The South Node in Aquarius symbolizes that the collection of information occurred within a group context. In essence, this is a double signature as the planetary ruler, Uranus, is in the 11th house which re-iterates the 11th house/Aquarius/Uranus archetype. The planetary ruler is Uranus in Scorpio in the 11th house. This symbolizes that information collected within social groups is psychologically based. The Soul will want to know the underlying intentions and motivations within any given group and of others with which a close or intimate relationship is formed.
Additionally,this signature indicates that the Soul will remain fundamentally detached both emotionally and psychologically from Its interactions with others. This is because the dynamic of observation through detachment is being used by the Soul in order to understand the"˜whole picture' of society itself, of how humans organized themselves, the reasons that they do so, and, in this way, understands it's own placement and role within that whole social context: it's place in the world which is reflected by the 10th House Pluto. This is also seen by The planetary ruler of Uranus, Pluto, in Virgo in the 10th house.
In this way, the Soul has kept people at an emotional and psychological distance which serves as a barrier to protect it's own inner/personal/emotional reality. The reason for this, from a prior life point of view, is that such a Soul typically has experienced projections upon itself such as judgments that were wrong, hurtful,and caused trauma to the Soul. Thus, a self protection and defense of itself results in this core detachment.
There is a natural square from the planetary ruler Uranus in Scorpio to the South Node in Aquarius. This reflects the above dynamic of attracting the projections of others as well as experiences of violations of trust, abandonment, betrayal, and loss. This occurred within close friendships and intimate relationships as well.This natal signature reflects that the Soul has become dependant, Uranus in Scorpio, upon belonging to a social group or to others within those groups in order to collect the necessary information about overall "reality,"(10th house Pluto),through which to not only understand that reality, but it's place within that reality.
Within this the Soul has created all kinds of confrontations within group associations,friends, or others in generals relative to a difference of opinions or viewpoints. This then can lead to all kinds of relatively traumatic experiences with others that has lead to karmic scenarios with others: people from other lives in which there has been a 'sudden' ending of the relationship: thus unfinished/ unresolved. Coming into the current life the soul will recreate those relationships. Yet, in the same way, the soul has bonded closely with some others of like mind that can also turn up in the current life for karmic reasons of a positive nature.
A core point within this is that causative reason for this current life experience described above wherein the Soul attracts projections and false judgments from others is that in the evolutionary past the Soul has been creating and projecting judgments onto others. This is in the context of the South Node in the 3rd house and nature of the information that was gathered within social groups and friendships.
In other words, this natal signature reflects an evolutionary and karmic situation in which the Soul attracts to itself all sorts of wounding projections and negative judgments within social groups, close friendships, and intimate relationships in order to learn about the nature of its own judgments and various opinions which can include the opinions of others, whole groups, and the nature of the society of birth.
It is important to note that facts (South Node in the 3rd house) can be put together in all sorts of ways. This then generates the opinions of this or that, and the resulting projections and judgments described above. However, these opinions do not necessarily reflect the truth. This then sets up the evolutionary lesson to learn the difference between that which is opinion and that which is true. This key lesson is indicated by the North Node in the 9th house.
Consensus State: In the Consensus State this natal signature will manifest as a Soul that joins social groups and observes others who are perceived as authorities within the mainstream society. In so doing, the Soul collects the necessary information as to the nature of the differing opinions, view points, etc. within the consensus of any given society. For example, relative to the planetary ruler of Uranus in Scorpio in the 11th house, the Soul may gather information from differing established authorities within psychological community. With the South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house the Soul will then generate It's own opinions and judgments based upon the information that is collected from these psychological groups or communities. In this evolutionary condition, the Soul will not take in any information from groups outside the mainstream society.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State the Soul will collect information within social groups like minded others who desire to liberate and de-condition from mainstream society. With this natal signature, an alternative social group that shares the same psychological orientation towards individuation will become the vehicle through which the Soul collects a diversity of information, view points, and data. The information that is collected from these alternative groups then becomes that basis for a variety of opinions and view points that are formed in regards to differing social groups: mainstream, alternative, or otherwise, and society in general. For example, hypnotherapy, past life regression, and Jungian psychology are all alternative healing fields from which the Soul could objectively observe and collect information. In this evolutionary condition, the individual will naturally resist information from groups within the mainstream society. The Soul will have an innate ability to synthesize a diversity of information into a unique and individualized system.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State the Soul will observe and collect information within differing spiritual groups and with others who are perceived voices of authority within the spiritual community. The Soul will then use this information to generate view points of opinions in regards to these differing spiritual groups and communities. In this evolutionary condition, the individual will have an innate ability to objectively communicate a variety of knowledge of a timeless and universal nature within a diversity of spiritual groups and communities.
If there are any questions please ask now! Otherwise, please write out in your own words how the signs given above in this example condition the expression of the natal signature.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva,
I'm learning a lot from this and have a question. If we're looking at 10th hs. Pluto in Virgo, simultaneous with S. Node in the 3rd house in Aquarius, that would limit Uranus to 22 Leo to 5 Virgo (as Pluto was in Virgo from October 1956 to July of 1972, while the S. Node was in Aquarius from June 1961 to December of 1962).
I understand that we're currently learning about Pluto, by house and sign, its' polarity point, by house and sign, and the S. Node which represents the past egoic structure and, how Pluto has been actualized in the past.
Is it then possible to look at how Uranus in Leo or Virgo (in either the 9th or 10th house) would facilitate the S. Node in the 3rd house?
Thanks for your time and patience as this has been a most valuable lesson.
marty
Hi, Marty. No. Right now the point is to be exampling in the simple way that I am, and I don't want to mix up the examples in the way that you are asking about. Within that I am trying to avoid putting Uranus in the signs you are suggesting because of not wanting to trigger someone who might actually have those exact signatures: ie. the actual signs that Uranus would be in as you are pointing out.
All,
The next step on the practice thread is to write out how the signs given in the above example condition the expression of the natal signature in your own words.
Namaste
Deva
thanks Deva,
I appreciate, and greatly value, your time, response and teaching.
in spirit,
marty
Hi Everyone,
Pluto 10th in Virgo South Node 3rd in Aquarius and the Ruler of the South Uranus 11th in Scorpio...
Pluto in the 10th is going to represent a Soul who is coming from a past life orientation where they felt a deep desire to be of a voice of authority and actualize some sort of work function of importance in society. In addition Pluto in the 10th shows where the Soul will have a deep security linked with the work functions and having a voice of authority as well as it symbolize the Souls orientation and relationship to society and to the family dynamics. Virgo is the archetype that colors that desire and security's and will be the vehicle through which the Soul actualizes those desires. Pluto in Virgo will have a strong need and desire to be of service to society on a whole. Pluto in Virgo symbolizes a Soul who is coming from a past orientation that will be deeply analyzing its environment social structures and family dynamics. Virgo is about analysis and purification as well as self improvement through purging of old dynamics that are not conducive to Soul growth. Pluto in Virgo will also be learning the lessons of discernment and discrimination as well as it will be analyzing learned guilt and natural guilt ultimately to purge or atone from these so Soul growth can continue.
With the South Node in the 3rd this is how the egocentric structures of Pluto in the 10th in Virgo were actualized in the past. The Soul was coming from a very mental orientation to life and its work functions as well as how it actualized itself in society, one where the Soul would be gathering excessive amounts information, facts and data from the environment as well as desiring to communicate the information that it was taking in to others. With the South Node in Aquarius the types of information being taken in could be of an alternative nature or not in alignment with the mainstream and may be ahead of its time. With South Node in Aquarius the Soul is learning to take in information that is linked with deconditioning from the mainstream and consensus society. The Soul will be coming from a past orientation of learning lessons around the difference between facts and opinions.
The Ruler of the South Node Uranus in the 11th shows that this Soul is going to be taking in the information through group dynamics and structures and may have an over identification and security linked with others and the group mentality. Being that the South Node ruler is Uranus in the 11th house this Soul is coming into this life with the double archetype of liberation and deconditioning of the information being taken in through group dynamics as well as a liberation of its own mental structures. The Soul will be learning lessons around the difference between facts and opinions and how its mental structure is conditioned through that orientation possibly through group influence. The South Node is where the Soul will gravitate to coming into this life and unconscious security will be linked with group dynamics. With the Ruler of the South Node Uranus being in Scorpio this colors the types of groups and information the Soul will naturally gravitate to and want to align with and will be based on deep orientation to psychologically based information. This is a Soul who will naturally be coming from a past orientation of psychoanalysis of its own internal psychology as well as others. Naturally the Soul will be analyzing how it functions with in society, groups and intimate relationships based on past life structures relating to the Scorpio archetype of attachment, obsession, betrayal, abandonment, sex, death, relationships and so forth. The Soul most likely with the South Node in Aquarius and its ruler being Uranus in Scorpio in the 1tth will be detached from its emotions and environment and be analyzing its environment through an objective distance or at least that would be the intentions of this. The Soul will be coming from a past orientation where it gravitated naturally to psychologically geared healing professions and depending on its evolutionary condition these professions could have been alternative or progressive in nature.
This is where things can become tricky and complicated because we can clearly see the positive implications for these planetary positons but understanding how the Soul went about implementing these in the past is key. With Pluto in Virgo the intention is to purge and purify and to offer up service to society as a whole to give back and with the South Node being in Aquarius and its rule Uranus being in the 11th you can see that the past orientation was to decondition and liberate from an over identification to group mentality and others as well as from information that is conditioning the Soul and not allowing continued growth, from information that is not based on truth and facts. The issue here is that Uranus in the 11th in Scorpio is the ruler of the South Node as well as its squaring the South Node and it is also the Natural ruler of that Natal Pluto. This to me feels like a relive situation where the Soul may be coming from a past orientation where these things did not go so well or were left unfinished or unresolved. The past intentions and how the Soul truly wanted to liberate and decondition and actualize itself in society could have happened through an orientation that was not in true alignment with the Souls inner being and true nature due to an over identification and security linked with the groups and others. This Soul may be peering deeply into dynamics relating to the projection of judgements onto others as well as judgments towards the Soul itself. There may be traumatic endings and trauma related to having the rug pulled out from under them that's left unresolved and the Soul could be bringing these past dynamics into the current life . This will be the area that the Soul will be deeply analyzing and working on deconditioning from in the current life. The past life traumas either projected onto the Soul or onto others will color the current life and reality and a purging, purification and metamorphosis of these mental structures is where the Soul is heading. How one actualized itself in society in the past will be directly linked to the Souls orientation to the traumas it perceives itself to have endured. There could be very strong themes coming into this life of feeling persecuted with Uranus in the 11th as well as the possibility of persecuting others based on an attachment to group mentality where the Soul naturally felt attached to one group in the exclusion of other groups with differing views or opinions. With Pluto in the 10th in Virgo the Soul is going to be evaluating and analyzing its position in society and how it actualized its work functions based on a deep feeling and need to be of service to others and may have a deep inner guilt that is either learned or necessary that would serve as a vehicle for the Soul to peer deeply into these past patterns of how one actualized itself based on mental structures that were different original or ahead of its time or that the Soul could have alternatively conformed to instead. A Deep psychological evaluation linked to how one actualized themselves in the past and how ones mental structures linked with the group mentality could have colored their reality in detriment to the Souls actual true internal reality will most likely come through crisis or confrontations with others who do not conform to how this soul relates to their world in general or there may be complete alienation from others that don't fit the Souls idea of like mindedness. This signature suggests that through Pluto in Virgos purification and service to others and Uranus in Scorpio a liberation from the group mentality a metamorphoses of mental structures that are not in true alignment with the Souls inner nature could be actualized but this could also go in the opposite direction if the Soul is not very conscious of itself or if it is compensating for feeling different, then its possible that with the double signature of guilt linked with the need for atonement Pluto in Virgo in the 10th based on past life traumas Uranus in 11th in Scorpio could lead to critical analysis of others or even persecution of others who do not fit the Souls outward orientation linked to an identification to groups.
This can be like a flip flop situation where the Soul may be going back and force with having trauma inflicted on them so there for in turn inflicting trauma on others through critical judgements based on information that may be limited or even in fact just not true or real. In all cases the Soul is coming from a past life orientation of double deconditioning and liberation from security linked with groups and others. The Soul will be learning about the true nature of others and itself and learning how to stand on its own outside of security linked with other by psychologically analyzing others and their environment a natural metamorphosis can happen. They will be learning about their own bottom line through this type of analysis and learning to discern their own the truth outside of others.
At this point what I have written so far to me feels like the very simple bottom line. Simple because I don't want to conjure up possibilities as to how this could play out because the possibilities could be endless and that's when I loose all perspective on chart analysis when my imagination goes off on a tangent in a 1000 different directions. Also mostly simple because I have a very limited understanding of the archetypes and how to put them together. I will try to write something linking this analysis to the evolutionary conditions once I get my mind wrapped around those concepts.
I look forward to learning from everyone one else through their own interpretations.
Thank you Deva for your continued dedication to teaching us.
Heather
Hi Deva,
i am bit busy right now but i've been following the posts and plan to write during the weekend if that is ok.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi, Heather. Yes, you are correct in pointing out that this natal signature reflects a Soul that has inwardly justified and rationalized false judgements and projections made upon others through the view points and opinions collected within social groups. The North Node in the 9th house symbolizes the intention for the Soul to open up to the truth of this dynamic. In addition, the Soul must liberate from a dependency upon a peer group to determine what is right and what is wrong, true and untrue, etc as you have stated. The NN in the 9th house reflects the need to develop an intuitive awareness of what is right and wrong from within instead of within a social group. In this way, an alignment with natural law will take place, as well as the awareness of what is inherently right and wrong. Remember that while a natal signature can express itself in a variety of ways relative to EA states, the core, bottom line archetypes are in basis for interpreting the signature. Great job!! Thanks for your continued efforts on this thread.
Hi, Helena. Yes, post when ready.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
Pluto in Virgo in the 10th House, Sn in the 3rd House in Aquarius, the Sn ruler Uranus is in Scorpio 11th House
Analysis, facts, thinking, comparisons, going seriously deep into matters, studying all the options, having constant doubt, needs of improvement, rigid habits, drastic ideas, detachment, deep transformation. All of this comes to mind with this signature.
Given the seeming impossibility of having someone living now with it, i tried at least to find a time frame close by with pluto/virgo and uranus/scorpio and found out a very small window around 1725, if i'm correct. Kant, one of the most well known philosophers of modern thinking, was born with it. It was him that said "But only he who, himself enlightened, is not afraid of shadows." Such an accurate expression to illustrate the desire, the courage and transformation of uranus in scorpio to dive deep into the most ingrained habits. Pluto in Virgo would do this by thinking, penetrating straight into the heart of the matter, the very issues that are preventing evolution and growth, and reform, improve, change and adopt new ones. It is this very need of going deep into the shadows of our own souls that can effect change.
In my brief searching for this time frame i found very interesting to come to the fact that in the recent uranus/pluto cycle, when pluto was in virgo or libra and uranus was in scorpio, the majority of souls will have pluto in libra and very few years (the time frame mentioned before) with pluto in virgo. It is as if there is skipping of this planetary combination. It makes me wonder Deva, if you can put a light into it in a more general way, why would that be, in the context of the pluto/uranus cycle. I'm sorry if it goes a bit off topic here.
In general, with pluto in the 10th house virgo, the soul would have a deep introspective nature, focused in improving its own social role. The south node in the 3rd house in aquarius could make one a rather eccentric thinker according to mainstream society. The improvements the soul is focused on, can belong to the realm of inventions in communications, transportation and ideas that shape the daily life of the individuals. in any case, high nervous energy can be present. The mind and the hands can connect to effect improvement. The fact that the ruler of the south node is in the 11th house and in scorpio only multiplies the intensity of this energy. With the ruler of the south node reporting back to a double aquarius signature and pluto itself, gives a feeling of high intensity of desire, focus and energy. I would see this soul deeply focused in whatever it puts its mind to but in constant stress. This can be a soul that doubts itself to the core but hides it better than anyone, specially from the community/group it belongs to. With uranus/pluto/11th/8th/aquarius/scorpio combinations, we are talking about freedom for the soul. Freedom from what? From pluto's attachements. From whatever is there for a long time and is no longer needed. In this case, friends, groups and community associations have already given enough shock/trauma to the soul. There might have been already many discussions that question the rigid ideas that shape the soul's identity. So now, there can be a natural detachment from people and groups that diverge from the soul's ideas and general life orientation. With scorpio, there can be sharp penetration into the motives of others and the weakest points in their own characters and arguments. The fact that pluto is in virgo would only support this need to look for flaws. The ideal of perfection of society would be emphasized here as would, i suppose, the desire to contribute to that perfection in the company of "˜right' group of friends.
Virgo as an archetype can represent a natural inclination to think about what we lack rather than what we have. Aquarius is also sometimes more about what we are not, than what we are, and virgo and aquarius form a natural inconjunct - the need to trust and take one step at a time would be very crucial in this evolutionary journey.
In essence, if the soul has the courage to dive deep into its shadows, great transformation/liberation can occur and the soul can not only improve itself but the society it lives in. If on the contrary, the soul focuses on others as the cause for its own and society chains and pains, victimisation can be the archetypal expression of the virgo pluto, and of sadistic/masochistic behaviour towards others/friends/society.
In the consensus state this can manifest as the idealist philosophy teacher, one that inspires others to think of themselves by knowing first the great thinkers and what has come before, a teacher that can be very reticent in adjusting to programs and directions that are not original his own, but also one that does not shy away from sane (or insane) intelectual confrontation with students. That one teacher you can remember all your life for being a mentor and intelectual authority.
In the individuated state we could find the sexual therapist. I remember seeing a story once about a woman, that became, i think, a renown sex therapist working with physically injured men. This woman would actually have sexual encounters with her patients until they could learn how to recover sexual functions in their conditions. Couldn't this life fit into this symbology? In any state there would be a natural desire to help healing with a certain detachment, have some kind of social function to be able to perform it.
In the spiritual state we could find the wounded healer type of guru in a spiritual community with the keen ability to go deep into peoples desires and motives and help exactly were it is needed, point where others are stuck, where they can let go, be a channel for freedom.
All the best,
Helena
Pluto in the 10th House, South Node in 3rd Aquarius, Ruler 11th Scorpio
This is a soul who has been learning how to find their own inner voice of authority and "right" career or type of work and to use that career in service to others within their community, country or world. With this in mind, there has been a desire to understand how different societies and groups within those societies are structured relative to the ideas, beliefs and ways of doing things that are specific to them and how they are different or similar to one another. In this way the soul can identify which group they most closely identify with. Over time, the soul has exposed itself to all manner of information about these issues, being particularly interested in the psychology, motivations and intentions of these different groups of people. They will be interested in discovering the underlying psychological dynamics of how people collect themselves together based on similar beliefs, customs, lifestyle and the like. This type of discovery can take place through interacting with group authority figures, by taking classes, reading books, going online and the like. They will be keenly aware of the power structures and power players in different groups of people and how the use/misuse of that power affects the group psychology and functioning of the whole. All the the different parts and functions of the group, from the smallest to the largest will be observed in a detached way as the soul attemps to fit the parts together in their mind to arrive at what they believe is the whole.
Within the soul there will be an acute awareness of being imperfect, of needing to improve upon themselves. The experience of humility can help them make adjustments in their psychological attitudes towards others as individuals, themselves and society as a whole. To fully integrate in their chosen community, they will have to identify within themselves the skills they have and the role they are best equipped to play as an equal, and to take steps to get the necessary qualifications so their services can be used. Self-effort and dedication will be necessary to activate these intentions while excuse-making and getting bogged down in details should be thrown out.
This soul may have had very critical parents as a child. Quite possibly the standards of conduct demanded by parents were high and the child never felt good enough, every action or attempt to express their own authority being put down. Independent self-expression and freedom of thought may not have been met with encouragement, and if the parents' sense of right and wrong were transgressed by the child, it could have resulted in the child shutting down, not speaking to their parents in any way other than for perfunctory reasons. Mental, emotional and psychological trauma could be the result of this type of environment so that the child might seek out friends or people of like-mind outside the home with whom they felt more secure. These days that would most probably be acted out online by joining web communities where they could talk to peers freely and anonymously without the input from overbearing parents. Of course, even online in chat rooms and the like, they could be traumatized by the criticisms and negative judgments of others.
One of the evolutionary intentions in this planetary signature is to decondition and be free from prevailing ideas about right, wrong, what is normal, what is not, etc. that are preventing growth. This includes rejecting criticism from family members, friends and others in the environment. Unconscious memories of causing or contributing to physical, mental and spiritual trauma for others through prior abuses of power and betrayal will resonate in the soul manifesting in feelings of guilt they don't know the source of. In addition, they will have unconscious memories of being on the receiving end of all kinds of criticisms and judgments from others, which will contribute to the soul being careful about who to trust and who not to trust. All these factors will continue to create trauma on a cyclic basis where crisis can force introspection on the reasons why they do what they do, why they think the way they do, and why they feel the way they do. With their acute mental laser and an ability to detach from their own intellectual, emotional and psychological dynamics, they will be able to identify and eliminate outmoded ways of relating and communicating to themselves and others in order to arrive at a more truthful self-perception and a clearer perception of others.
The soul will have an emphasized sense of guilt, both manmade and natural. One of the intentions will be to use discrimination to identify and get rid of the manmade guilt which is preventing further growth. Natural guilt will stay in the soul through necessity. Because the soul is so aware of their own imperfections, they will feel there is always something else that needs to be improved. Mental trauma can immobilize these people as they scrutinize their own imperfections and create a catatonic state for themselves where nothing gets done because they are never quite ready. They need to keep moving and put one step in front of the other. Self-acceptance, warts and all, will help clear the fog of disillusionment so they can get going with their life-work without the need to be excellent all the time. The act of movement itself (e.g. go for a walk) can help them stabilize, and keeping it simple is always a good plan of action.
In some cases, feelings of guilt and the attendant need to atone will result in these people doing mundane work within the group just to get by as they unconsciously hold themselves back from a meaningful career, always making excuses as to why they cannot get ahead. They can feel victimized by the group or society and blame others for their lot in life. Taking responsibility for their own actions and taking steps to uncover why things are the way they are will go a long way towards helping themselves uncover and/or develop and creatively actualize the inner resources necessary to get ahead.
As evolution prods the soul ever onwards, mental, emotional and spiritual crisis will occur on a cyclic basis. Detached reflection on why the crisis is taking place will help them decide which ideas, perceptions, lifestyle, etc. are their own and which are not. By eliminating those parts of themselves they no longer identify with, new ideas and thoughts can come into their consciousness that point the way forward on their life journey.
Consensus
Souls in the consensus state will be attracted to authority figures within mainstream society groups. Even though there will always be a fundamental feeling of being detached, they will feel more comfortable associating with people who go along with what those authority figures tell them is right and wrong relative to morals, values, lifestyle and the like. Anything considered different or outside that mainstream will be rejected since it creates a sense of insecurity in the group. Some of these people probably get their information from Fox News, happily consume every word spoken and spout the same rubbish to others in their group because no matter how outlandish, Fox News says its true and therefore it must be true. Their need for security will override proper intellectual discrimination in an attempt to fit in in. Wherever they get their information, they will have a keen understanding of the role of every person in their peer group, who has the power and who does not. Armed with this knowledge they can figure out which techniques and skills to develop relative to their desired career or work function.
Individuated
These are souls who will be interested in subjects, ideas, concepts and lifestyles considered outside or different than the mainstream. These people will typically think for themselves, do their own research and arrive at their own conclusions. They will still be interested in group structure and the motivations of people within the group, but they will be open to alternative ways of thinking and doing things, including those from cultures outside their home country. Subjects like astrology and ESP etc. will find a home within the psyche of these people, and the knowledge gained from their open-minded pursuits can contribute to their deeper understanding of group psychology. With their natural leadership ability and that deeper understanding, they can be of service to others in contributing to the evolution of the group as a whole. Some ideas and ways of doing things might be too much for some people, too ahead of their time, and crisis can occur as others criticize them for being too different or weird, and they may have to adjust their ways of presenting such new ideas, and eliminate some completely. Also, mental trauma and overload can be the result of the mind naturally receiving concepts outside of time/space when the communication of such ideas can present difficulties. They will often not want anything to do with consensus society and groups, and reject them outright.
Spiritual
This is a soul who is aware of the universal whole and understands how all the parts fit in. They see humanity as individual elements of that whole and can see how each person functions within that human community. Their desire to be of service to the group or society is directly linked to the Source and they can help lead others in their own attempts to find the right ways and techniques of a spiritual path. They may open spiritual lifestyle communitues where people of like mind can exchange ideas and ways of doing things that benefit everyone. Each person will be encouraged to find that work function within the group that most closely resonates with their natural abilities.
In all of the above examples, lessons of internal security, determined self-effort, discrimination and forgiveness of themselves and others will go a long way towards finding their place in their chosen group or society of birth. Also, relative to the need to decondition and be free of the ideas and thoughts of others, these people must actualize their own truth. The psychological, emotional and mental dependence on others must be replaced with the objective realization that opinions are just that - opinions, and truth is natural. Self-effort must be employed to find their own truth, the truth that is outside of communal identification. Intuition will lead the way to natural, universal truth which applies to everyone and everything. In this way, the whole will be understood and the parts will naturally fall into place.
Hi, Helena. Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the possible manifestations of this EA signature within the evolutionary conditions. The evolutionary intention of this signature is to progressively liberate and decondition from the influence of various social groups, associations, friendships, etc. as you have described. This is because the Soul has used the information collected within these groups to form judgements and opinions about the nature of reality and what is right and wrong, etc. As you pointed out, there is dependency upon these social groups which is creating a block in terms of further evolution. The emotional detachment from these groups, associations, friendships reflects the need for objectivity (Uranus/Aquarius/11th house archetype).
In terms of your question about the Pluto/Uranus cycle, from my view, this cycle reflects the evolutionary intentions/needs of the collective as a whole. As JWG taught, it takes a lot more than one person to affect the evolutionary needs of the collective. This is why Pluto has both a generational and individual application. In the same way, the Pluto/Uranus signature reflects a generational evolutionary/karmic intention as well as any given Soul's unique and individualized evolutionary/karmic requirements. Great job!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and everyone
Sorry for postponing.... I will post before Thursday night
Thanks for understanding
Hi Deva,
thank you! I would be very interested in learning more about the pluto/uranus aspects as a generational/collective evolutionary need. I've been reading what it is here in the MB so far and would like to ask if you have information you can point out from JWG teachings, if there would be something more specific about it.
All the Best,
Helena
Hi Deva
Just want to let you know I am still working on it, I am just really dissatisfied with what I wrote, and trying to be more focus to improve it.
Please go ahead move to next step as you plan, I apologize taking too long to finish it....
Wei
hi Deva,
I will not be able to participate in this particular thread, but will be reading along with the various responses and learning a great deal. Thanks Deva!
Helena - you asked about the "...pluto/uranus aspects as a generational/collective evolutionary need..." I, too, am fascinated by that topic and, while researching a lecture on "Generational Nodal Signatures", I came upon the most unique generational expressions between Pluto, Uranus and the nodes. If you'd like to discuss further, you could contact me on my website: <martydixon.com>
Here is an excerpt from the video, "JWG Sedona 2005 Q&A pt. 1" regarding Uranus (in Pisces) as a generational signature:
"With Uranus in Pisces, now - because you have to understand that everything has a collective application, as well as an individual application - Uranus correlates, at a certain level, with the organ that we call the brain. It correlates with the entire electrical mechanism within the brain, it correlates with synapses, dendrites and, when Uranus is active, whatever it's affecting, it accelerates.
One of the glands within the brain, is called the "˜pineal' gland - Neptune, Pisces, 12th house - "˜pineal', which secretes a very specific physiological substance called melatonin. Melatonin, as a physiological substance within the brain, has many functions, one of which is a transcendent impulse. Melatonin is that which is responsible for sleeping "¦
""¦ Uranus in Pisces (brain), pineal gland (melatonin), there's an acceleration of melatonin within the individual and the collective brain. Now, for some, that's manifesting as yet, one more delusion after another (Pisces), as we chase one more elusive dream, after another, thinking that dream is our ultimate meaning (Pisces). It's a time to be liberated (Uranus) from delusion, to orientate to actual reality, Virgo.
But to come back to your question, for those who truly desire to know God, with this acceleration, now, of Uranus in Pisces, relative to pineal, there couldn't be a better time..."
Also, I'd like to mention that I think this statement from Merlyn on March 22, 2017, is brilliant, regarding, "Pluto in the 10th, S. Node in the 3rd, and Planetary Ruler in the 11th": Thanks Merlyn!
Spiritual State
This individual now recognizes themselves as a conduit for natural law, and is able to eloquently communicate to others a particular means to work more in alignment with God. During the initial stages of the spiritual state, the individual will most likely still be attached to their mode of thinking, which although is tuning into natural law, they are still only able to perceive their fraction of the whole. Regardless, they will consider themselves a leader, and attempt to convince others to their frame-of-mind, as if, with a large enough following, their systematic understanding becomes increasingly more legitimate. The difference between the occurrence here and the individuated state, is that this individual is going to be more receptive to limitations in their process of thinking. Perhaps they will recognize that nothing seems to satisfy their innate feeling of distance from the actions of others, and that no group can replace the feeling of following one's inner security and union with God. This individual will be skilled at synthesizing the ideas of others (older texts, as well contemporaries), into a new system, which ironically often creates more holes than the ideas that they initially borrowed from. A lesson here, is in the multi-faceted nature of the human experience, and the impossibility to combine every perspective into one, past our direct relationship with God. This individual, in their highest potential, will be able to communicate to others a system of non-exclusivity, grounded in creative freedom and spirituality, and will act as a direct voice to Spirit in human form.
in spirit,
marty
Hi all:
Those who intend to continue to on with the practice thread please let know with an estimated time frame of your next post.
Marty: Thanks for your contributions to the this thread!
Namaste
Deva
Thanks Marty.
Hi Deva,
I'd like to post by Tuesday. I have some notes, I just need to synthesize something into writing. Feel free to carry on if I don't get to it in time.
Edward
Hi, all:
Thanks for your continued efforts and participation on this thread! My suggestion is to start the next step on Thursday of this week. Does this sound OK to the rest of the group?
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Deva I am ready when you and everyone else is... I will do the best I am able to continue and contribute...
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Deva, I am ready to continue when you are. I hope I understood and described the basics of the symbology OK in my post. Please let me know if I was way off in any way. Thanks as always for your help.
DDD
Hi Deva,
yes, thank you, i will follow along. Thursday is ok for me.
Hi Marty,
that is indeed a very interesting subject in EA, thank you for posting more about it!
All the best,
Helena
Great-the next step of the practice thread is to apply the sign of Pluto's polarity point. In our example Pluto's polarity point is Pisces in the 4th house. I will post an example on Thursday which illustrates how the sign of Pisces conditions the 4th house polarity point. My suggestion is to review Pluto in Pisces/12th house as it provides an in depth understanding of the Pisces/12th house/Neptune archetype.
DDD- First, I apologize that I missed your post! Excellent application of EA! Everything you have written accurately reflects the possible expressions of this natal signature though the Evolutionary States. Great point that Soul's with this signature have an innate capacity to objectively observe the influence of various social groups, and the natural roles of each individual member within those group. The Uranus/Aquarius/11th house archetype reflects the objective awareness of such influences.
In addition, objectivity leads to an awareness that changing just one factor or dynamic within the overall life circumstances can lead to a total transformation and personal liberation (SN in Aquarius, planetary ruler Uranus in Scorpio in the 11th house). The analogy that is given to us by JWG to illustrate this point is that of baking a pie. Change just one ingredient within the recipe in order to change the flavor of the pie.
Yes, one possible expression of this signature is the Soul manifesting self-undermining behavior in such a way that right work is blocked or thwarted. The key lesson within this is to purge the overall sense of victimization (Pluto in Virgo) and reflect upon the causes of guilt, both man made and natural (Pluto in the 10th house). By accepting the responsibility for the current life circumstances the Soul can then naturally align with It's right work and role in the world (Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house). Great job!
Namaste
Deva
Pluto 10th House Virgo, SN 3rd House Aquarius, Uranus 11th House Scorpio
With Pluto in 10th house Virgo, Soul has been learning how society works, studying/improving/perfecting certain skills in work area, integrating their skills into social environment/other's needs, actualizing their vocation by being service to society. They are learning lessons of being humble, using their power/position to serve others, past experiences of misusing power can create karmic blockage for them, also natural guilt may create experiences of being humiliated to atone for the guilt, they will learn to discern natural guilt and man-made guilt through crisis, by self-analysis, they can understand why of the guilt and what is the right action to make adjustment.
With SN in 3rd house Aquarius, Soul has created highly intellectual self-identity, individuals naturally curious about different knowledge, explore different field to discern which skills resonate with their unique individuality, and perfect it into work function. Souls will naturally detached from society, observe from outside forming a logical understanding of how society works, analysis the environment/different values/different path to success, they have a mental relationship with immediate environment, they pay attention to details, they structure their reality through interacting with others, absorb other people's thought/feedback/judgment/ opinion, process thoughts constantly in high frequency, restless mind. Their ideas may be very different/ahead of time, when they can objectively understand themselves in the social context, find a focus to purify/improve themselves in society, their future oriented ideas can help society evolving. They will form groups with like mind others to actualize this purpose.
Ruler of SN Uranus in 11th house Scorpio, Soul may have past trauma because they are different, their ideas may be seen as taboo in mainstream, the negative judgment/humiliation/betrayal of friends or groups can create emotional shock for soul, crisis in this natural will bring inner analysis as what is the problem, why of these trauma, again the intention is make adjustment, and the objective awareness can help them breaking free/decondition from trauma/distorted rules or judgment, they may go through extreme alienation, or rejected by groups, forced to inner psychological analysis to understand their Soul's individuality as well as how their ego were structured for Soul's evolutionary intention in current life time. 11th house Aquarius archetype correlates to projection of creation, souls with this signature can really manifest different potentials possibilities of future society, as they are deconditioning from past trauma/outdated judgment/guilt, and awakening into their true individuality, they can channel higher mind, bring genius/seeded ideas into society, transform the reality/physical world we are living in, maybe even transform how mainstream understand time/space, as human brain continue evolving, they can help human being to decondition/liberate from restrained reality, invent new technic changing how we communicate/relate to each other in society.
Consensus State:
In this state, souls will strictly make choices logically, they identify with like mind groups within mainstream society, and empower themselves by forming relationships with resourceful groups, pursue knowledge/career considered successful/trendy by society or family tradition. I feel at this state, person can completely neglect their feeling/emotion/intuition, compulsively trying to learn skills/knowledge which are validated by society, without aligning with their unique mental structure, then create a self-image/inner judgment that I'm not good enough or I am not smart enough to actualize my purpose in society, this then attracted highly judgmental people around them, create blockage in society/career and a self-defeated state. They may even atone for this feeling of not good enough, become workaholic, denial their individuality or part that are different from others, just to reflect social norm, to make right choice to feel secured. In this state, the sense of being service is more manifest as serve authority, sustains the mainstream reality/ideas/values, because their security linked with groups/powerful others, when they occasionally discovers their special talent, they may suppress it, for example if a person resonate with astrology, but in this state, he/she may think astrologer is not a well-respected job, thus restrain himself/herself from trying. When they tried all kinds of choices to fit in other's expectation, create intense feeling of rejected, not fitting in anywhere within "known" reality, or they may experience betrayal in group they identified with, create emotional shock, they will be removed from other people's suggestions/expectations, and start to notice their inner voices/messages, this inner awakening can bring metamorphic change, help them discover their individuality and understanding society/reality in a new perspective, leading them into next evolutionary stage.
Individuated State:
Soul in this stage will decondition from environment/social norms, it's like peeling the layers of an onion until reaching their soul's unique individuality. In earlier stage, they will be attracted to different kind of knowledge outside of mainstream value, they can experience inner paradox as they expand their consciousness out of mainstream, the fear of losing control/being judged/inner judgment that being different is their problem can create self-doubt, resistance of their individuation process, they may live a double life with only few friends who can really understand their complex mind, empower their individuation process. In a more advanced state, they will rebel against mainstream/education system, only absorb information that resonate with their mental structure/interest, align with their special talent, and only bond with like mind people. Many people in this state will have highly evolved brain, genius mind, revolutionary ideas, they can really introduce future oriented information into mainstream society, and they can communicate information the way logical mind can understand. They can use their talent to transform society, ie internet changes how people communicate. the culture/language/social environment simply become instruments to fulfill their individuality.
Spiritual State:
Soul's messages are usually ahead of its time, they can use varies languages to communicate their message, or channel messages from higher realm, also the special vibration can attracted resonate souls, planted seeded message in form of groups/communities. Soul humbled itself to be service for the source on earth, they can express/explain the truth in unique way that logical mind on different consciousness level can understand. Their message can be powerful, help human's brain awakening/evolving, then change the mainstream's perception of time/space/existence. 11th house/Aquarius archetype correlates to projection of creation, these souls can really understand their role on earth as co-creator, they are restructure the physical world with mind power, plan seeded ideas help human's evolution/awakening, also purifying our world through their social role.
Thanks so much for your patience!
Wei
Hi Deva, thanks for your comments on my post, particularly your point that "objectivity leads to an awareness that changing just one factor or dynamic within the overall life circumstances can lead to a total transformation and personal liberation". I had forgotten about this dynamic and remember the JWG point about the ingredients in a pie. Namaste. DDD
Hi, Wei. Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the possible expressions of this natal signature within the Evolutionary States.
Yes, the Uranus/Aquarius/11th house archetype reflects the inherent ability to "innovate" any given field. In the Consensus State, this can manifest as a transformation of an existing technique and/or method within the mainstream society. This archetype also correlates to the capacity to project via thought a desired outcome. For example, the Soul can mentally affirm a positive result or outcome of a stressful or cataclysmic life event. This has the effect of counteracting self-undermining mental attitudes and thoughts.
In addition to what you have written in your analysis, in the Consensus State the individual may project false and negative judgements upon other groups within the mainstream society that have conflicting view points/opinions, etc as the Soul Itself. This dynamic has become a source of mental/emotional trauma which now must be healed. Potentially, this can take place via objectivity as the Soul experiences the very same projections and negative judgements from others. Emotional detachment and disengagement then leads to the necessary objectivity as to why this life circumstance has been created.
In the Individuated State a key or seed thought to affect healing and resolution of the trauma that you have identified within this natal signature is illustrated by a famous Einstein quote: "When brilliance meets mediocre minds expect violent opposition." In this evolutionary state, the Soul may attract negative or critical feedback from others as a reflection of It's own critical and judgemental view points of those who conform to societal norms, or those within the alternative fields who do not share the view points as the Soul.
Within this, the issue of communication is pivotal. In essence, the Soul must learn to adjust overly critical or judgemental language that is used to communicate new and revolutionary ideas to others in order for it to be received positively. Generally speaking, language that focuses on improvement rather than deficiency is good way to make these adjustments. Great job!
Hi all:
The next step is to add the sign of Pisces to Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house. My suggestion is to review Pluto in Pisces/12th house in order to gain an in depth understanding of the Neptune/Pisces/12th house archetype. Then, read this example and write out in your own words how the sign of Pisces conditions the 4th house polarity point.
How does the sign of Pisces condition the 4th house polarity point? From an ultimate point of view the need to internalize emotional security comes through alignment with timeless, universal laws. From a relative point of view this will manifest as discovering or actualizing what constitutes real meaning, ultimate meaning, upon which the Soul integrates itself through it's emotional body that allows
for the inner state of security to occur. Additionally, alignment with a higher cause or purpose can create this same intent of accessing and integrating the emotional body, and the inner state of security that can follow. As a result of these evolutionary intentions, the Soul will cyclically withdraw from the impact of the external environment.
Within this the Soul is changing and evolving, it's orientation from the external world, 10th house, to the inner world: 4th house. With the 10th House Pluto in Virgo there have been many recent lifetimes in which the inner sense of emptiness, Virgo, was filled up with all kinds of external circumstances, obligations, responsibilities to be meet, and the nature of the work that the Soul has been doing.
The change in the Soul's orientation to it's life, to it's inner environment, demands that the Soul discover what will then constitute real meaning for itself, the reasons that it is living, that must occur from within itself. In this way the Soul can then actualize that which allows it to discover emotional security form within itself. As the Soul progressively establishes meaningful or right work that is inwardly defined the inner emptiness of the past can be resolved.
Additionally, the Pisces polarity point reflects the transition from deductive to inductive logic. Deductive logic attempts to built the whole out of the individual parts, whereas inductive logic focus first upon the whole, and then allows all the individual parts to naturally fall into place. As a result, an overall simplification will replace excessive crisis and self-analysis.
In this way the Soul can then reflect, 10th House Pluto, on it's life in such a way as to determine the causes, the determinants, of the reality it has created for itself, and then to take responsibly for it. As a result of this a deep and permeating self knowledge about itself will take place that allows the Soul to not only become secure from within itself, but to eliminate any sense of being victimized by others, by life itself: Pluto in Virgo in the 10th House. The Soul will then become aware of the nature of it's own judgments upon itself, the nature of judgments upon others, and the nature of judgments as a whole.
The issue of of career or work can then range, through the 4th House polarity, as everything from work on oneself to the work on the Soul's family, raising a family, to any kind of work that constitutes real meaning for the Soul. The evolutionary stage of development will directly correlate to the types of work that the Soul will be naturally drawn too that correlates to that sense of real meaning versus working just to work. Even if the work appears to be really of no consequence to others, just any kind of work as judged by others, the Soul through the 4th House Pisces polarity of Pluto will understand that whatever that work is is a vehicle that is being actualized in order for the evolutionary intentions of it's entire life to take place. In this way, the Soul will not allow negative judgments or criticisms of Itself or others to influence the actualization of the intended life's work.
Consensus State: In the consensus state, Pluto's polarity point will manifest as the Soul changes and evolves It's relationship to the current work performed from within the mainstream society. For example, reflection upon the ultimate meaning (Pisces polarity point) of the current social position could then trigger a total re-identification with it. This evolutionary shift reflects the Soul's changing orientation from the external world (10th house) to the inner world (4th house).
As a result of such reflection, the Soul can then re-orient to the social position in such a way that the inner meaning and value of the work itself becomes the underlying desire to align with such work. In this way, the Soul will become self secure to actualize a social position that reflects true meaning from within itself, and is not defined through external societal terms (Polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house).
In this evolutionary condition this could manifest as work within a non-profit company, or as a public servant. This is because such work reflects the evolutionary intention to commit to a higher cause. In this way, a culmination arbitrary and meaningless forms of work that previously served to fill a void within the Soul takes place. As a result of this evolutionary metamorphosis, the Soul's inner orientation to any external role held will become to help to serve others in true and legitimate need.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, Pluto's polarity point will manifest as The Soul changes and evolves it's orientation to the external world by defining from Itself what constitutes ultimate meaning independent from mainstream society, or any social group. The Soul will commonly withdraw from the mainstream environment in order to define from within a meaningful social role or right work.
Pluto's polarity point requires the Soul to become internally secure with the growing need to liberate and individuate. There is a natural need to bond with others of like mind and who hold the same values as the Soul itself. Emotional security will progressively shift from the personal identification of a specific role within a group of like mind others to self security within that group no matter what the role may be. In this way, the Soul is establishing true meaning from within itself rather than through the external world. In addition, the Soul will develop the capacity to stand as a group of one if necessary.
In this evolutionary condition, the individual will desire to serve others of like mind who also seek to liberate from the mainstream. The Soul will have an innate ability to help others align with "right work"that reflects their unique gifts and inherent individuality. Inner judgment and/ or repression of the need to individuate can be purged in this way.
Spiritual State: In the spiritual state, Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house will manifest as the Soul's overall meaning in life becomes defined through an inner relationship with the Divine, or Universal Source. Typically, this evolution occurs as the Soul seeks to emotionally unite with the Source from within itself rather than from a spiritual community or group. In this way, emotional security is derived from within rather then from the external world. As a reflection of the evolutionary intention, the Soul may progressively withdraw from a specific role within a spiritual community, or from the group itself. In addition, excessive crisis that is linked with undermining the Soul's natural abilities and actualization of right work as directed by the Source can be brought to resolution as ultimate meaning is internalized.
In this evolutionary condition, the Soul will have an innate ability to communicate timeless, universal principles within any given society,culture, or group. In addition, these individuals can reveal the difference between information that is based on culturally defined morals, judgments, ethics, etc. and information that is based on natural principles which are universally applicable. In this way, the discernment of natural law verses man made law can be cultivated. The Soul will naturally seek to help others develop this same knowledge and actualize their right work as a reflection of the desire to serve the Divine.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto PPP in Pisces in the 4th House:
The Soul coming from an orientation to life where there has been critical analysis of itself and others with out mercy will eventually come to a point on the Path where they will need to turn into themselves. There will come a time when this critical self analysis will lead to the Soul questioning its deep inner void that it feels to get to its own bottom line. The bottom line being that a past orientation to life based on Crisis and Guilt and the need for atonement has created a vicious cycle where the Soul may not even be able to discern the true nature of its own guilt, if the guilt they feel is actually theirs to be atoned for or coming from others, learned or osmosed through karma. This accumulation of guilt creates the need for atonement through Crisis that can be an endless cycle one where the Soul feels to be in a type of hell through its own created prison. Clearly this Soul is learning about their own transgressions towards others as well as transgressions from others to purge the sense of victimization they may feel. They are learning lessons around judgement the right use of judgement through Natural Law and this will come through deep analysis of the self and others through past and present dynamics linked with groups the family dynamics and intimate others.
This deep permeating critical analysis of the self is necessary from an Evolutionary point of view that will eventually lead to the Soul shifting its orientation to their Inner World, PPP Pisces 4th house. This will be absolutely paramount because the Soul in this case may have completely lost touch with their own emotional nature their true inner emotional being may have become fractured. The emotional foundation is broken and the Soul will try to fill up there empty world with the Intended purpose of Pluto in Virgo, Service to others. The issue here is that Service to others can only come through a platform that is linked with inner emotional security and a connection back to the Natural God. Through this orientation to life the Soul will be developing or regaining an Eternal Living Faith that eventually the emotional foundation can be built upon. This will happen when the Soul can learn absolute forgiveness of others and most importantly Itself through compassion love and understanding, when the Soul comes to realize that we have all transgressed equally. This is really important to understand because the Soul has to come to see themselves as part of the Whole Again part of the Divine Whole and this can only happen through self love self forgiveness and love and forgiveness of others. Through this orientation the need for critical analysis of others and itself can subside and then the lessons around Judgement will ultimately be learned.
Ultimate meaning will be found when the Soul literally just finally comes to understand and accept that it needs a break a time out from the vicious cycle of guilt crisis judgement and the need to atone to repair itself. Because of the Souls orientation to service to others this can be hard to come to understand as there will always be a deep underlying feeling of needing to be of service but the Soul has to be of service to itself first and for most and cultivate an inner emotional and spiritual foundation first. This is the tipping point for the Soul where they come to realize the most painful thing of all that they absolutely can not love or serve others until they learn what love is and then learn to love them self first.
A Living Faith is what will get the Soul through so that at some point they can heal love forgive and find Ultimate Love and Meaning in the Loving connection with the Divine.
"There's a song that's inside my Soul
Its the one that I've tried to write over and over again
I'm awake in the infinite cold
But you Sing to me over and over again
I give you my destiny
I'm giving you all of me
I want your symphony
Singing in all that I am
At the top of my Lungs I'm giving it back
So I lay my head back down
and I lift my hands and pray
To be only yours
I pray to be only yours
I know now your my only Hope"
This Song by Mandy Moore "Only Hope" speaks to this in full and if you have ever listened to it then you will feel the Emotion and Spiritual longing in the song that connects to what the Soul is recovering through Pluto in Pisces in the 4th house.
Heather
Hi, Heather. Great job with your analysis of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house! You have identified core archetypes and current evolutionary intentions reflected by Pluto's polarity point. From my understanding, you are intending to say that a progressive loss of meaning (Pluto 's polarity point in Pisces) can induce the necessary evolutionary intention to discover or cultivate ultimate meaning from within the Soul rather than in the external world. This is reflected in the evolutionary transition from the 10th house to the 4th house.
In this way, the Soul can become self-secure (Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house) relative to the inner meaning for the overall life (Pisces). As a result, meaning is not defined through a specific role or career (Pluto in Virgo/10th house) rather from within the Soul itself based based on It's internal sense of ultimate meaning. The self-image can then turn from negative to positive as the Soul no longer identifies or relates through the prism it's external role (Pluto in Virgo/10th house to the polarity of Pisces/4th house). Of course, how this evolution will take place is relative to the Evolutionary States which you did not include in your post. My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by applying the core archetypes that you have identified through the Evolutionary States. Thanks for all your time and effort on this thread.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok Deva thank you I will do that....
Heather
Hi Everyone,
Pluto PPP in Pisces in the 4th through the Evolutionary States:
The Soul coming from an external orientation to life where there was a lot of emphasis and identification to the external role in the world through the work environment will eventually come to a place in their journey an understanding that Ultimate Meaning will be found only by going inside of themselves and that true meaning can only come from the Soul aligning with its true nature and the Natural God. With in this the Soul is realigning with Natural Law and this could happen through an alignment with Nature and Animals and building a foundation of healing and purpose from that orientation to life. Due to the past life orientation through crisis the Soul is coming in with the need to simplify purge and purify the life and this will be of great importance. The Soul will be working on eliminating all sense of victimization as well as learning the truth and causes of learned and natural guilt to either rid the learned guilt or atone for and take responsibility for the transgressions the Soul has itself been responsible for.
The Pisces polarity point of Pluto is about healing the self the Soul through a realignment with Spirituality and the Natural God through self Love and self forgiveness and Love and forgiveness of others. Pluto 4th house in Pisces. This will be the absolute bottom line for the Soul in this life and because the past life orientation may have been carried over, a possible relive, the Soul may initially go through a lot of crisis and changes till they finally cross over to this true understanding. In the deepest sense the Soul will be moving away from the arc of the external world to work on healing itself and its family dynamics. Because Healing of the emotional nature and the Souls connection to Spirituality and the Natural God is the bottom line in this life the Soul will progressively come to understand the absolute importance of the home life their root their foundation and their immediate environment. The Soul will either have to work through healing what they have found themselves placed in within the family or there may be an absolute need to break from all they have been born into. The Soul absolutely has to live and align with its authentic self to build a loving foundation where an alignment with the Divine can be cultivated so Ultimate Meaning can be established for the Souls life and if the Souls current environment and family life does not support this then a break will be inevitable.
How this plays out and where the Soul finds Ultimate Meaning and Healing will really vary depending on the Evolutionary States.
Consensus:
In the Consensus State the Soul will progressively move from the outward arc of its role in the external environment, work function and social roles and be looking inward into its self for security to find what Ultimate Meaning constitutes. In the consensus state ultimate meaning can be projected onto almost anything the Soul choses. The Soul will most likely gravitate to its family of birth and put a lot of emphasis on the family and home life. The Soul in this state if they are following the natural pull of the their PPP will want to establish a loving and cozy home base and family environment and will be working on that in this life. If the Soul is beginning to corporate with the evolutionary intentions then the Soul will naturally start to gravitate to some sort of meaningful work that helps the Soul realign with Natural Law.This could happen through some sort of right work that is service orientated work like work at the local shelter or Audubon Society, or through some sort of work in nature like a park ranger. The Soul will be giving back to the group or society in some way while learning to not be identified with it and will progressively enjoy working alone and on its own.
The Individuated State:
In this state the Soul will be working on progressively deconditioning from society and possibly the family of birth if the immediate environment is not supportive of healing and spiritualizing. The Soul moving through the intentions of the PPP will be pulling away from its external environment and most likely be rather reclusive. The Soul will be working on completely throwing off the past as well as working on healing any internal trauma related to groups family dynamics or past relationships so a progressive self sustainment, internal security and self love outside of an orientation to groups, family or society can take place. The Soul in this state will most likely place Ultimate Meaning on some very unique or gifted capacity that the soul naturally has. The Soul will be learning to cultivate this part of themselves and then offer that up to society in some way. The Soul could place Ultimate Meaning and right work on some alternative healing work with animals or nature or conversely they may be working on inventing or creating something that will help the environment in some way. The Soul will progressively be exploring its spiritual connections and nature and be wondering about the Universe and the truth and its connection to these things and will be doing this very independently from the family environment, groups and the external world. Service to the whole and right work will come through the Soul aligning with its inherent unique capacities.
The Spiritual State:
In the Spiritual State the Soul will be most likely be exclusively focused on internal healing and alignment with the Natural God. The Soul will be progressively healing past traumas and completely throw off any sense of victimization and be going deeply into its deep internal dynamics and the dynamics of others for true healing. The Soul will be working on realigning with its true eternal self in alignment with its Soul and will be progressively eliminating all barriers preventing communion with the Natural God. Because of the internal focus on itself and its connection to the Natural God the Soul will be working deeply on Self Love and Self forgiveness and forgiveness all others. The Soul will be working on healing its family dynamics and could possibly at this juncture and stage of evolution have to part ways with the environment they were born into if this environment is not supportive of the Soul direction. The Soul at this stage will be completely focused on the immediate external environment their home and family life and if those dynamics are not loving supportive or spiritual in nature then the Soul will progressively long for a complete break from the past. Ultimate Meaning will be placed on an actual internal physical connection to the Natural God. The Soul will be continuing to align with Natural Law and will progressively become the embodiment of those laws through rituals and practices that align the Soul back to the divine. The Soul will most likely will long for some sort of right work or karma yoga in alignment with Nature Animals and Natural law and will come to understand that past life orientations linked with crisis that is undermining its true purpose will have to be eliminated. The Soul will be working deeply on learning about self love and forgiveness and who to give to and when and when not to give. The Soul at this juncture is learning how to be completely self secure self loving and self forgiving and will be learning to stand completely on their own. The Soul will progressively be aligning with its true self and through complete self reliance will come to understand their place on the path and how they can give back through that alignment with themselves. Once this happens the Soul being secure from within itself and longing to follow the right path will most likely start thinking about aligning with others who are on the right spiritual path who can be of help and guidance to the Soul on their journey. The Soul through healing and right alignment to others on the spiritual path will come to find their own place on that path, Right work and Ultimate Meaning will be found through alignment with Spirit.
Heather
Hi Deva,
i've been reading pluto in the 12th/pisces, and before i submit this segment assignment i would like to ask you more, if you can help, about the dynamics of inner judgement/judgment, forgiveness and communication.
It is in this exact segment and interchange of this dynamics i see i have doubts.
As i understand there is a ultimate need to discover the inner desires of improving and acting upon those desires as inner conduct, and exercise judgment upon others would be to take in and project dynamics that are either not of the soul itself but a reflection of other's judgment upon the imperfections of the soul or the soul's inner judgment upon its actual shortcomings. That is why JWG mentions that unless asked it is crucial not to exercice any judgment upon others. Going from here, how do the dynamics of forgiveness and communication interact, given the natural compassion of pisces?
On a more personal note, outside the practice thread, this situation presented itself in my life at the moment and it is for me so accurate to notice that our desires, whatever we focused upon with the desire to know, shows itself sometimes very literally in our lives and this has been a very consistent reality ever since i started dedicating myself to learn more about EA. Just wanted to share this fact because i think it will be present not only in my life but to anyone who pays attention and can make the correlation.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi, Heather. Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the possible expressions of PPP within the Evolutionary States. Yes, Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house reflects a progressive shift to internalizing ultimate meaning rather then defining it through external terms or in the outer world in the ways you have described.
Hi, Helena: Thanks for posting your question about the nature of judgment and forgiveness relative to the Pisces/12th house/Neptune archetype. From my view, The Pisces archetype reflects the issue of "appropriate judgement." We must all make judgements relative to what is naturally right and wrong, yet refrain from projecting negative judgements upon others as we all make mistakes and have transgressed. As Jesus says "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Yes, in my experience it is best to offer judgement only when asked.
Namaste
Deva
Thank you Deva,
i will try to post my participation in a couple of days.
All the Best,
Helena
PPP Pisces/4th
The primary evolutionary intention of souls born with Pluto/10th and Pisces/4th is to find emotional security within themselves regardless of "outside" expectations and dependencies, and that internal, emotional center will be linked with their sense of ultimate, universal and timeless laws. This evolving, emotional center must be fully integrated so the life-path will become clearer, simpler and more real for them. They will need to spend time reflecting sincerely on what represents real meaning to them and how they can contribute to, or align their abilities with, this ultimate meaning. The existential emptiness and sense of meaningless they have experienced will be replaced with a sense of meaning and purpose. Reflection and discrimination will help them eliminate those old emotional habits and dependencies they have been identified with, along with expectations and definitions prescribed by family, community, nation, etc. The closer they get to who they really are, the simpler their life will become and the less they will feel the need to create crisis after crisis where nothing makes sense. In an effort to cooperate with the evolutionary intention, the soul must make a sustained effort to put into practice those ways of reconnecting with their center on a regular basis. It will be necessary to pay attention to internal promptings to take time out and be alone when it feels like the right thing to do. Old habits die hard and expending energy running here and there should not be used as excuses for not doing the proper work on themselves.
When operating from their center of internal security, the soul will be more easily able to identify any natural abilities they have and make the necessary effort to further develop and employ them in a work function that makes sense to them. In the past they may have made excuses as to why they are not ready to do what they feel they should do, or develop further any innate talents they have. Any work at this stage will be seen and experienced in relation to the whole, whatever that means to them, and not be just any old job for a paycheck. The relative simplicity of the type of work does not matter, since attitude is more important. The work itself, if performed with a sense of meaning, can provide immense satisfaction, no matter how humble it may seem from the outside. Being overly concerned with the results of work becomes less important than the actual performing of the work itself.
In identifying and emotionally connecting with their inner grown-up, they will be able to see how and why they are the way they are, and how being on the receiving end of unrealistic expectations of perfection and judgments from those in their environment has contributed to a negative self-image. Not only that, but they may be able to see where they have continued where others have left off - striving for a perfection that does not exist and then criticizing themselves for not living up to that expectation. In that clarity, they will be able to see how they have judged and criticized others also, and with self-forgiveness will come the forgiveness of others. This is not to say that all judgements should be thrown out. The transgression of Natural Law leaves guilt in the soul so those actions won't be taken again. The desire to be of service to others, another, nature or whatever feels right to them, will still be present within the soul, but the manner of service will be more in line with who they naturally are. Their work function will be valued to a greater or lesser extent within any group they choose to belong to, but that won't be the reason why they are working in the way that they are. A real sense of humility will permeate their soul instead of a feeling of being victimized, downtrodden or feeling less than everyone else.
Consensus
In the consensus state, the type of work or career must be linked to a sense of ultimate meaning, and if that can be accomplished, any type of work can be successfully and joyfully carried out as long as they feel it is the right work for them at a personal, emotional level. Through reflection and paying attention to what is going on inside them, they will more easily be able to identify what they have to offer and how their work or social position is related to a larger purpose. The pursuit of social recognition or money will not be the end goal here since the work itself and its sense of personal meaning is its own reward. With Virgo/10th they could have natural organizational skills and a keen analytical mind that proves valuable to the efficient functioning of an organization that is concerned with the legitimate welfare of others. Another example of selfless work that a soul might choose is working with abandoned or hurt animals, where compassion and the sense of touch can help heal the animal and worker at the same time. This type of work of course is beneficial no matter the spiritual stage of the soul. Whatever they do, the commitment to a higher cause and their own role within it is the real point.
Individuated
Souls in the individuated state will increasingly learn how to best apply their personal, unique abilities to work that is aligned with their sense of ultimate meaning. Sometimes these people will remove themselves from society for a while in order to focus their attention inward in order to find out what it is that is unique and different about themselves that they have to offer. They will discover or recognize those unique abilities through feeling. If it feels right, they will know to follow it. They have had a need to liberate from consensus society and this can be reflected in their attraction to, and identification with, "alternative" means of making a living. As an example, they might be interested in healing methods that are considered weird or too different by consensus society. Sometimes any abilities or ways of doing things might be completely new, and sometimes they may be ways to improve upon ones that are already "out there." If they feel emotionally aligned with those methods they will feel secure in those abilities and must follow any potentially new paths with courage, standing alone if necessary with full faith and trust in themselves and the work they are doing. Typically they will feel comfortable co-operating with others of like mind and will not feel threatened by new ideas and ways of doing things. With their natural leadership ability they can show others how to best get in touch with and utilize their own natural abilities and need to liberate, alone or within a group setting. As their internal evolution proceeds, their particular role within any group will become less important and they will happily do any work that serves a legitimate need.
Spiritual
Souls in the spiritual state will have aligned their personal sense of identity and Will with the Source and will be consciously working selflessly in whatever field they choose. In some cases the soul may desire to leave their family or community with the intention of turning inwards with as few distractions as possible in order to further develop a personal relationship with the Source. One of the ways these souls could choose to help others is by using their natural abilities to communicate universal, timeless principles in a straightforward, simple way. They could do this by actually being out there in the community or they could do it in relative isolation through writing. Their lives may be quite sparse or simple in comparison to their contemporaries but their chosen path will have real meaning and purpose, both for themselves and others. In some cases, the soul will be so sensitive to the needs of others they will be able to channel and direct the healing power of the Source when they feel there is a real need, or that healing power will stream through them of its own volition.
In all of the above, a move from deductive thinking to inductive thinking will help simplify a life that had been marked by moving from one intellectual crisis to another. To paraphrase JWG's centipede story, they will no longer feel the need to analyze leg 46 and just keep walking.
Hi, DDD:
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the current life's evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in Pisces the 4th house. You make a good point that the Soul will develop the capacity to access Itself emotionally (Pisces/4th house), and by extension help others do to same. Great job!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
How does pisces conditions the ppp in the 4th house?
With the sign pisces conditioning the evolutionary intent for the soul to develop new patterns of security, in the 4th house, the natural dynamics of evolution will concern the soul's emotional reality and the dissolution of every resistance patterns that are preventing a merging with the Source.
What are these patterns? Up until now we know there has been a focus on perfecting/improving any skills, ideas and thoughts that allow for the soul to have a place in society that reflects the desire for personal authority, i.e., job, career, social position. This has been done by joining certain social groups that reflected, supported and created a net, for acquiring and developing this position.
With such an emphasis with the external (capricorn/10th house), the collective (aquarius/11th house) and the mind (gemini/3rd house) by way of perfecting/analysing/relating (virgo/gemini) , detaching and liberating (aquarius), the soul naturally identified personal security in conditioned and structured realities, always adjusting to any pattern change within the existing structure, but maintaining and controlling personal power linked with external position.
Since evolution always leads us to balance what we've been pushing to far, it is now asked for the soul to realign concepts of what actually constitutes "˜reality' in the external and internal worlds, issues of control vs vulnerability, separating or belonging, shifting from being the creator to feeling the actual co-creator of one's reality. This is a process of absolute faith.
It is possible for a soul in this situation to have already since early age, reasons, justifications, rationalizations that are used to avoid any emotional confrontation with the actual inner world. With uranus in scorpio, in the 11th house, ruling the south node and reporting back to pluto, major emotional upheaval has already affected the soul on a deep level, and any confrontations are then naturally faced with a detached mind, to avoid more trauma. It does not mean that emotions are not there but the tendency will be to feel secure in the analysis process not the emotional experience, that can seem pretty out of control. So one of the old patterns we are talking about might be to always report to this tendency.
At some point, the soul in this situation can be facing a meaningless, empty life. With pluto being in virgo, priorities always concerning work, keeping busy, directing all energy to tasks that keep one occupied, justified by the act of helping others and society, not having a personal life outside of work and friends of like mind can mask a deep inner void and a greater need that eventually leads the soul in a search for personal truth (nn in the 9th) and fulfilment by embracing something higher, something transcendent. With pluto in the 10th house this will then naturally reflect a soul with much to give and teach to others, in the process of sharing this life journey.
When there is not cooperation in the evolutionary process, life will bring issues, dynamics and situations that point to facing this truth and fulfilment, sometimes in a more cataclysmic way. It will never be an easy task when we see pisces can be the archetype of avoidance, where we store everything we have not been wanting do deal with from many lifetimes, faced from the virgo point of view, as absolute chaos. A realm of projection, illusion and delusion.
About the capricorn archetype and issue of control/chaos, i would like to quote Deva's words here in the MB, that reality help me to understand this dynamic:
"The core issue of the Capricorn archetype and the need to access chaos is the need to experience vulnerability (cancer polarity point). As I mentioned before, the Capricorn archetype in its distorted form manifests as emotional repression, and also a fear of vulnerability. As a consequence there are repressed emotional needs that must be accessed at some point in order for "true emotional maturity" to manifest through this archetype. By "accessing chaos", or simply allowing oneself to be vulnerable and, ultimately, learn to nurture these repressed needs from within oneself (cancer polarity point) the true wisdom and strength of the Capricorn archetype can be expressed. There is no specific definition of chaos used in EA (just the usual meaning of the word). All to often those with a dominate Capricorn signature attempt to control their environment and their emotions because of the fear of vulnerability. In other words, the person always has to be, (or at least appear to be), "in control". In this sense, the need to access chaos means to release this pattern of emotional repression and control, and in this way access their true sensitivity and emotional nature."
In the case we are studying it will be possible that this chaos represents facing all delusions of personal power, judgment and control exerted on groups, situations, people and things, and the guilt derived from this. It can also represent abandonment, loss and separation from early age, or an over idealised authority figure from childhood that turned out to be something other than this ideal, or died unexpectedly. In any case, something is painful enough to resist confrontation. It will be necessary that in the search for personal truth, the early emotional experiences can be looked at with acceptance, instead of victimisation, forgiveness, instead of blame. It will also be crucial that the soul faces these experiences with positive detachment that then turns to take personal responsibility for one's actions and acceptance of any life condition as a necessary step in the personal road, where no one is to blame, it just is the way it is.
It will be trust and faith in this process, and ultimately experience the presence of something higher, a greater power leading the soul's journey, that will allow for it to evolve to a role of leading through serving, according to natural law.
It was also Kant that said (with pluto in virgo 6th house/uranus in scorpio), "i had therefore to remove knowledge to make room for belief." With pluto polarity point in pisces in the 12th, this can summarise so well the soul's desire for faith beyond knowledge, deductive beyond inducting thinking, spirit, beyond mind.
In the consensus state the soul can have a life totally committed in making all the efforts on an important career, either starting or consolidating it, to a point where life is spent working where it can be an avoidance of any committed intimate relationship, only passing encounters. The moment then comes when unexpectedly a pregnancy occurs and the necessary decision to assume that responsibility, shifting the focus from investing solely in a great career to dedicating itself also to family life. In this case gender issues will naturally be present, but because at this stage there will be a need to conform to mainstream conduct of behaviour, if the soul is female there would be much bigger chances of clashes between the work and social position than if the soul is male. In either case, an acceptance of responsibility for the child if that is the desire of the soul, can promote growth and we can have here the woman that suddenly discovers a career in counseling other women on motherhood and how to raise a child, blogging about it or writing books that can give some level of acclaim and recognition.
In the individuated state, in the similar situation, gender issues could more easily be adressed and necessary in order to balance the inner male/female. Parenting roles might be reversed and we can have the stay at home dad. This dad can be very creative with children and start writing children's books. In this stage many souls might abandon well positioned careers in corporate world, where they can be considered genious or very influential people, for a minimalist life in the country for example, producing one's one food, or to travel and know the world, being then an authority in sustainable travel, teaching others about it.
The occurrences/triggers behind this shifts might be many, like the sudden loss of a beloved parent, a serious disease, or a sudden encounter with a group of people that shows the soul how to live a life more aligned with nature. In any case this situations will promote withdrawal from external life to a more secluded period.
In the spiritual state the soul can pursue many spiritual traditions driven to live solely for God, follow many mentors until it belongs to an existing community, or actually have an important role in it. At the some point, all of this may fail. The soul can experience a life of meaningless and futility, an inner void, that makes the it question all the ideas of God it has followed so far, to actual find the experience of merging with the Divine from within, maybe in total seclusion from the outside world, if that is inner call.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi, Helena:
Great job! What you have written are all possible expressions of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house within the evolutionary states. From my understanding, you are illustrating the central principle, or dynamic, of the evolution from the external world and various egocentric identifications and emotional security patterns that have been discussed so far ( Pluto Virgo/10th house) to the inner world relative to ultimate meaning ( Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house). Once ultimate meaning is defined from within, emotional security will become internalized from within the Soul.
Yes, gender assignment is a key factor within this evolution (10th house to the 4th house). In my view, this evolutionary transition occurs as the Soul realizes it does not matter what outer role it plays as long as the role is truly meaningful in the context of the overall life path. In this way, the Soul can actualize It's "right work" independent from socially accepted gender assignments. As you pointed out, the experience of emptiness and loss of meaning can induce the necessary alignment with a higher cause or purpose. Thank you for your continued contributions on the practice thread!
Namaste
Deva
The individual with the polarity point of Pluto in Pisces placed in the 4th House, is going to experience release through an attuned internal awareness to their own emotional security. This individual is incredibly empathetic, absorbing the emotional states of others through the sponge of their internal awareness - however, this individual has habitually disregarded these experiences, conforming instead to a surface level of being.
Therefore, without an appropriate level of self-knowledge, there will be an innate separation between this individual and the outside. This is due to identifying with the constant emotional stimuli, and feeling inadequate as they absorb the weight of the world. They will compare their internal experience with what they observe in others, unaware that the energy they are taking in does not solely belong to them. As they attempt to change their surroundings in order to nullify their internal discord, the imbalance that they feel on the inside becomes reflected externally. They experience crisis in thinking that they are not good enough, or are unable to help others to the necessary degree.
When this individual remembers how to pay attention to their internal experience, they will have an incredible ability to take in the emotions of others, respectfully, with the purpose of transforming them into something of collective value. In its highest potential, their awareness of this emotional landscape becomes a seemingly meditative state, and as they allow the sensations to pass through their awareness, they are able to integrate their experience to the betterment of their external surroundings.
Consensus State
In the consensus state, this individual will experience great levels of inadequacy in their life, as they compare what they observe in others with the emotional discord they feel inside. They will attempt to understand their feelings by identifying with physical or psychological disorders (depending on other factors in the chart). For example, with Mercury in a square to Saturn, this may manifest as a speech impediment. In actuality, however, this is a symptom the individual experiences by not confronting their emotional state.
Perhaps this individual will connect to a higher power through organized religion, and, in a sense, come to accept their perceived imperfection. As they continue to absorb the emotions of those around them, they are able to project them onto their idea of this higher power, who will then cast his judgement appropriately, as determined by the particular religion. Therefore, this individual is able to bypass their emotional awareness, neither taking ownership, nor confronting their own ability to empathize with the experiences of others.
Individuated State
In the individuated state, the individual will be far more capable of facing their emotional experience, than in the consensus state. However, rather than developing a clear understanding of their inner experience, these individuals will first attempt to either separate from or purposefully intensify their emotions. In either situation, their imbalanced internal state will become reflected in their day-to-day life, with their more difficult emotions projected onto something outside of the individual. This external structure (political system, creativity, religion, demographic, etc.) becomes an embodiment of what the individual perceives to be the antagonistic force in their life. As they grow and recognize that regardless of their behavior, they are still confronted by the external opposition, an understanding of the inner avoidance of their emotions becomes clearer. This recognition marks the karmic passage into the spiritual state.
Spiritual State
The individual in the spiritual state is able to confront their emotional experiences, and recognizes that they are the source of the emotional discord, which they have habitually projected onto the outside world. This behavior persists, but with a new awareness of the tendency toward self-sabotage. With sufficient practice, this individual is able to follow their inner reactions with a meditative focus. They understand their gift for taking in the emotions of others like a sponge, filtering them through their awareness, and then releasing them into to energetically assist their external reality.
At this point, the individual no-longer feels the same never-ending drive toward external success, as reflected by their South Node (10th House, Virgo). Rather, they recognize their responsibility toward their immediate environment, and the direct power of their mindfulness on their surroundings. The collective energy of Pisces finds locality, like the algae taking in sunlight and releasing oxygen to help maintain the ocean. The individual is able to absorb great levels of energy, directly transforming it into something of service to their external reality.
Hi, Edward:
From my view, you are writing that Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house symbolizes the evolutionary intention to align the Soul with It's actual reality (Pluto Virgo/10th house) through developing an awareness of the emotional body/the inner word (Pisces/4th house). This would occur as the Soul defines ultimate meaning from within Itself, and becomes self-secure to actualize It's right work (Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house). In this way, one's inner and outer life can become congruent.
I would like to suggest that you deepen what you have written by providing examples of how the evolution might take place within the Evolutionary States as the Soul identifies It's actual emotional reality, and seeks to make it's inner and outer life congruent. Great job, and thanks for your continued contributions on this thread!
Hi All:
I would like to know an estimated time frame to post of those who intend to continue with this practice thread. My suggestion is to move to the next step by Monday next week. Does this sound OK to the group?
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva, ready when you are. Thanks. DDD
Hi Everyone,
Deva I'm ready whenever you and everyone else are... Thank you
Heather
Hi Deva,
Thank you for your comments and words of encouragement.
And yes, I can continue tomorrow as proposed.
All the best,
Helena
Hi All:
The next step of the EA paradigm is the North Node in the 9th house. My suggestion is to review the chapter Pluto in Sagittarius/9th house, and then write out in your own words how the North Node in the 9th house will actualize the current evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in Pisces the 4th house.
How is the Soul evolving it's egocentric structure in order to actualize it's current evolutionary intentions reflected by Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4h house? The North Node in the 9th house symbolizes that the Soul will create an egocentric structure that is founded on development of the intuition, and an alignment with both personal truth natural law. It is through the 9th House, Sagittarius, and Jupiter archetypes that we learn that the truth inherently exists in and of itself, and is not a product of the intellect or beliefs. The intuitive component within consciousness knows what it knows without necessarily knowing how it knows it. All Souls can also know the truth of anything through direct experience or perception that is not a function of beliefs. We all know the sky is blue: we do not need to "˜believe' it. Thus, there can be a big difference between "˜beliefs' that require belief, versus direct knowledge that does not require beliefs at all.
　　　
The Sagittarius/9th house/Jupiter archetype correlates to the need to understand life in a philosophical, metaphysical, religious / cosmological context, or in understanding/ perception/ alignment with the Natural Laws of the manifest Creation. The specific system that the Soul aligns with will be relative to the evolutionary state within the context of the culture, society, or tribe that it has been chosen to be born into for it's own evolutionary reasons. This evolutionary need requires a holistic understanding of all the facts, information, and data in the external environment (South Node in the 3rd house). In this way, information from the external environment can be given a consistent reference point: to evolve from the part to the whole.
　　　
Belief is the determinate as to how we interpret, or give meaning to, any given life situation or phenomena. And let's remember that beliefs, in and of themselves, can be utterly delusional. The key point within this is that Natural Laws are principles that are self-evident in nature and can be empirically validated. As such, Natural Law does not require a belief system.
　　　
The Sagittarius archetype also correlates to the principle of perpetual growth and expansion. The Soul progressively expands through embracing more and more of the total truth,of itself, the inherent truth of anything or any phenomena, and becoming aware of the totality of Natural Laws that reflect universal, or timeless truths that then hasthe affect of eliminating all delusional beliefs about whatever.
　　　
Relative to Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house, the development of the intuitive faculty, and and alignment with personal truth will be used to internalize emotional security, and discover ultimate meaning from within instead of externally. In other words, as the Soul realizes that the truth inherently exists, and begins to seek the truth from within rather then externally, emotional security will be internalized and meaning will be defined from within. Conversely, the internal security is arrived at by desiring to convince and convert others to the "˜truth' of what it "˜believes' to be true.
　　　
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, the Soul will align with a socially accepted religion in order to understand life in a holistic, or cosmological sense. In other words, "truth" will be defined through the religion. The belief system will be a reflection of the mainstream religion, and the the Soul will interpret life relative to the beliefs taught within the religion. Intuitive development will occur through the alignment with a religion. In addition, this will provide a means to internalize emotional security, and cultivate ultimate meaning from within. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will have an in built capacity to teach in the context of the mainstream society.
　　　
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, the Soul will seek to break free and liberate from the mainstream religious belief system. The individual will align with a philosophical or metaphysical system that most resonates with him or her on an intuitive level, and is symbolic of the individuality.of the Soul. These Souls will encourage others to seek the truth from within rather than externally.
In this evolutionary state, the need for freedom to discover personal truth from within is crucial. The Soul may create a highly individualized philosophical or metaphysical system by synthesizing various components of a diversity of existing systems, or align with one comprehensive metaphysical system. These Soul's can become natural teachers for others in regards to defining personal truth independent from the influence of mainstream society, and trusting their intuitive knowledge and gifts of an individualized nature.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, the Soul will define "truth" through Natural Law and principles that are universally applicable. The individual will align with with comprehensive metaphysical system that reflects timeless, universal principles. In so doing, an expansion occurs as the Soul embraces more and more of the total truth: of itself and the manifest Creation. Those in this evolutionary state can become natural spiritual teachers who awaken intuitive knowledge in others through the teachings they impart. In addition, these Souls will advocate Nature, and the Natural Laws therein, as a primary teacher.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva and everyone
There are a lot of things going on in my life recently, sorry I am doing this very slowly, just let you know I am still commit to this thread, I am finishing PPP part and will catch up the next step. Thanks for understanding.
Wei
Hi, Wei.
Thanks for contributing on this thread. Take your time and post when ready.
Hi, Edward.
Please let me know if you intend to continue on with the practice thread.
Namaste
Deva
PPP in 4th house Pisces
The core evolutionary lesson is to access emotional body, through cyclically emotional pattern, to dissolve old structure of self-image/judgment/social role, ultimately align self-image as divine being, develop unconditional love for oneself, nurture oneself as child of GOD, understand ultimate security comes from within, by understanding ego of every life time is created by soul, individual soul is part of Source/Whole, part of soul always connect to Source, like wave/ocean relationship, that's why individual can let go of control, trust soul then ultimately source's plan, to go with flow, tune into cosmic truth, understand the ego's function in soul's whole picture, and adjust it's position/phase at every current moment according to whole evolutionary plan. Individual need to go through period of intense emotion or even access chaos, to lose control, dissolve old pattern of suppressing/controlling feeling/emotion/needs, they also need go into period of complete void, to look within, to feel what is lacking, instead of keeping themselves busy to fill the void, by doing this, what they truly needs will surface, so they can nurture themselves and find inner peace, when they are ready/inner timing is right, they can go out to accomplish meaningful work reflect their true identity. It's like to understand what kind of seed are we essential, we can bloom the original seed naturally in society. Instead to fill the void by adjusting oneself to society's rules, others expectation, individual will focus on finding completion within, follow one's own emotional needs, their path/role will naturally unfold, in return, by doing this right work, they will be recognize in their work/role, and can feel satisfaction/fulfilling. By knowing one's true self, they can understand they are essential part of the whole, instead of feeling small in the society, identify itself with "important" work to feel present. To tune within, find their true identity, also help them to connect to cosmic or universal truth/law, they will learn the truth through emotional body/direct merge with larger whole, they will adjust their judgment/social role/reality according to these direct feeling, also help them to tune into cosmic timing, like to understand how moon's cycle affect their emotion/life, so they can flow with inner tide, find their natural pace in this physical world, in this way they will understand the purpose of every experiences, the WHY, so they can dissolve powerless/victim feeling, they can take responsible to create their reality, the cyclical blockage becomes meaningful, they will know what adjustment to make, and finally leading to accomplishment, build a reality reflect their inner self-image, can bring satisfaction, and they will feel complete within.
By accessing emotional body, nurturing ones need, they also face their anima as a man or yin energy/natural feminine energy, they can integrate yin/yang, understand as a soul we are inherently androgynous, they will master how to use both energy in different situation. Also by tune into ultimate truth, can transform their understanding of power (10th house), they will know truth power comes from within by actualize their vocation/inner role, they will attract supporting, they will react to life in a yin way, dissolve the pattern of power struggle which based on understanding/reaction that power is yang/over power others.
They can also observe their emotion through dream, dream can release what they suppressed, help them to be aware of their true emotion/needs/fear, they can use dream for healing, and access deep unconsciousness.
Consensus State
I feel in this stage, because of individual's awareness is totally conditioned by society/family/traditions, they will attract karmic relationship (parents/family/children) to learn PPP lesson, for example, attract a partner or have a child who is very sensitive and emotional, expose them to these emotions they have been suppressed, and learn how to allow their emotion/feeling flow, how to express their emotion and nurture their needs in a healthy way, to build a warm family with emotional connection, they will learn how to nurture/take care of others' emotional needs, not just fulfill responsibility because they should or have to do it. This safe environment can help them dissolving old self-image/rules of what they should do or allow themselves to do in society, when they allow themselves to develop skills/choose a career that align with their inner self-image, they can really mature these skills and inner authority within their career, and that can become base of inner-security. Eventually, they will sense that there must be more than being successful in a career, have power/status in society, being restricted by their class/family/culture, and that will lead them to individuated state.
Individuated State
They may have their own family the emotional communication is completely different from their original family, in a way to decondition/break free from tradition/rules/social norms, also they need total freedom to express their inner gender, not defined in anyway by society/others, in this state they will typically rebel against social norm/standards, and encourage others to do the same. They may be the first person break their family pattern, choose a career/life path according their own vision, and inspire others, create new kind of social norm/standards. There would be moment in their life, they can't go back to past, they need to have faith jump into unknown future, they may go into chaos to dissolve/exhaust the needs to belong to mainstream, to obey in order to feel in control, they need to have faith that there is something bigger than their ego, larger force in charge, so they can let go and let God, allow themselves to be vulnerable/to lose control, it's like letting go life ring so they can learn how to swim in the ocean, to experiences the support/direct connection with Source in every crisis/crossroad through emotional body, that can help them to trust themselves and life itself, because real power is not to control situation, is knowing they are safe and protected within, they have skills to overcome any situation/fear in life. At very end of this state, they will be able to tune into cosmic reality, understand themselves as a cosmic being/seeded man in society, and their role in history of humanity. As the center of gravity within their consciousness shifting from ego to soul, they are evolving into spiritual state.
Spiritual State
In this state, ego of individual is truly connecting with source, individual will understand cause and effect of every experience, how they can use current ego in soul's evolutionary journey, also what's their soul's function within the Whole. They are doing God's work on earth, they can really balance yin/yang in a natural flow, cyclically dissolve ego, tune into cosmic reality/truth, then bring that total understanding back to earth through their career. From this archetype, I wonder if the future/intention of human's evolution on earth, is that mainstream consciousness can operate in this way, the natural law/cosmic truth are base of social norm/judgment, to perfect this physical world, completely tune with God's will, and every human being within the society know it's natural role, its position as part of a whole, and being service to God, to manifest God's perfect vision on earth? I also feel with this signature, individual may carry karmic responsibility of collective consciousness (its family/race/country), by living a symbolic life, they can dissolve sin/guilt/karma for collective consciousness.
Hi Wei,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the current life's evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house within the evolutionary states. From my understanding, you are writing that, from an ultimate point if view, Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house reflects an evolutionary pull toward accessing The Soul's original imprint or image as created by God/dess. This occurs through the evolution from the external world (Pluto in the 10th house) to the inner world (Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house). Ultimate meaning is defined from within which creates an internalized state of emotional security, and resulting ability to access oneself emotionally, and actualize right work (Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house). In terms of your question regarding the Spiritual State, from my view it indicates that the Soul may assume a responsibility for a role to help others outside It's immediate family environment as a reflection of the desire to serve the Source. This becomes the first priority and obligation in the overall life. In this way, the "global family" is served.
In other words, from the immediate point of view, this evolutionary intention requires that meaning is defined from within the Soul Itself rather than through the external environment relative to a specific social position, career, etc. In this way, an inner attunement with the Source can occur, and the self-image will progressively shift from negative to positive. Yes, a key point within this is to follow, or go with, the evolutionary pull towards these life intentions rather than attempting to derive emotional security through control of the external environment, or creation of excessive external activities and obligations. Thank you for your continued contributions and effort on the practice thread!
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva
Thank you so much for your feedback, you explained it so clear, I am still working on expressing my idea more accurate with words, I admire that!
I have another question about Virgo-Pisces archetype, for the shift to happen, would it be a vision comes from within soul first, to kind of give a hint (whisper from soul), there is a larger force, in a way, to build the trust/faith for individuals to be able to flow with the evolutionary pull? I ask this because from my observation, Virgo or Capricorn can be so conditioned and have such fear/self-doubt, i just wonder if this vision/whisper from soul is planted when souls planning their life on earth, and base on that, individuals can make free choice?
Thanks
Wei
Hi Everyone,
North Node in the 9th House:
The Soul is coming into this life desiring the need to understand life and themselves through some system that is cosmological, philosophical, metaphysical or religious in nature. The 9th house Sagittarius archetype is through which the Soul explains its connection to the phenomenological nature of the Universe... JWG
The North Node being in the 9th house the Soul with this signature will be moving away from security based on a revolving door of facts opinions and information to access ultimate truth through the intuitive faculty. The Soul will progressively use the Intuitive Nature as a filter as to what information to take in and through that filter will progressively be eliminating information that is not based in truth or Natural Law/ Universal Truth and will be learning the difference between what is factual and what is opinion. Moving towards the 9th house archetype the Soul will also be learning the relativity of personal or universal truth as ever larger concentric circles of truth open up to the Soul. Through this orientation the Soul will align with a system that helps explains there connection to themselves and the Universe and will understand how truth is a never ending search and is relative to where each person is at on there own path of truth and understanding. The 9th house archetype is about a belief in something larger than what the Soul can understand from their own immediate physical environment.
The Soul coming into this life may feel a deep alienation to the culture/ society of birth and may be working on eliminating barriers that are preventing a direct understanding of the total truth of existence through cultural shock. The Soul is learning to come to their own understanding of the Ultimate Truth independent of society/culture/ family belief systems.
With the PPP being in the 4th house in Pisces the Soul will come to learn Ultimate Security and Purpose through an alignment with their own personal truths as well as an alignment with Natural Laws. Once the Soul learns security from with in and starts to align with there own personal truth and the larger truths of Natural Law and the Universe then the need to convince convert others to the Souls own belief structures will be eliminated as personal security is found from with in.
Consensus State:
In this state the Soul most likely will attached to the immediate family and society of births belief systems. The Soul will naturally want to align with some sort of system that is religious in nature and will most likely adopt the beliefs and religious context from the family that it was born into or through the immediate society of births religious choices. The Soul will learn to understand itself and its connection to the Universe in ever larger truths by committing to a higher authority and purpose.
Individual State:
The Soul in the Individual State will orientate to a belief systems that are most likely not traditional in nature and go against Consensus norms. The Soul will naturally want to align with some others of like mind and may join some unorthodox belief system that is philosophical/metaphysical or cosmological in nature. In this State the Soul will be helping others break out of religious indoctrination and outdated belief/religious systems by aligning with systems that are different or progressive that are not in alignment with Consensus reality or that are atheist in nature . Through the Soul helping others break the molds of Consensus belief/ religious structures the Soul will start to open up to ever larger Universal Truths and will be continuing to eliminate outworn belief systems of there own to come to deep understanding of whole truths.
Spiritual State:
The Soul in the Spiritual State will become the embodiment of Natural/ Universal Laws and will Naturally gravitate to teaching or helping others Understand Universal Truths. As the Soul evolves through this state it will be able to synthesis a diverse amount of information and systems and be able to help others see the common thread that links them all together. In this state beliefs will be linked exclusively with Universal Truths.
Deva,
I am not sure at this point if we are just detailing the 9th house north Node Archetype?
Or are we detailing the 9th house North Node in combination with the PPP in the 4th in Pisces?
Or are we linking the whole past orientation to every new dynamic added?
The above is really basic as this whole week I have absolutely nothing to say but I felt I needed to at least participate as studying here on the MB really means so much to me.
I look forward to everyone's interpretations.
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Wei,
Thanks for posting your questions. From my understanding, the Pisces, 12th house, Neptune archetype correlates to the potential for inspiration to the Soul from the Source which can be received as the "whispers" you are describing. Yes, this can serve to help the Soul develop faith in the Source and follow the evolutionary pull towards a meaningful life path, or "right work."
Hi Heather,
Thank you for posting your interpretation of the North Node in the 9th house and your continued participation on this thread! My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by linking the North Node in the 9th house to the actualization, or development, of the evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house which are to internalize emotional security, and define ultimate meaning from within instead of externally.
To clarify, the intention of the example is to illustrate how the North Node, in our example the North Node in the 9th house, is structured to actualize the current life's evolutionary intentions reflected by Pluto's polarity point which in our example is Pisces in the 4th house. My suggestion is to develop and deepen what you have written about the 9th house archetype by including the dynamic of learning the difference between that which is based on delusive belief, and that which is reflects Natural Law which does not require a belief of any kind and is based upon direct knowledge. You can add to what you have written by incorporating how this central dynamic or principle would then be expressed within the Evolutionary States, and again referring this back to the actualization of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house.
Namaste
Deva
Ok thank you Deva,
I just wanted to clarify what your suggesting... Are you saying to example some ways in which a Soul would learn the Difference between a delusive belief and a Natural Law?
Heather
Hi Deva,
Thanks for clarifying my question. I have a question maybe it has been answered on message board before, in our example NN is in 9th house, would Jupiter in the chart add additional information about how Soul can develop NN other than NN's ruler?
Hi Deva and Everyone, I will be posting something in the next few days. It's been a super-busy week for me and I want to give this the time and attention it deserves. Thanks for your patience. DDD
Hi Heather,
Yes, this is correct. Again, make sure you link the North Node in the 9th house back to the actualization of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house.
Hi Wei,
The answer is no. It is the aspects to the ruler, and the north node itself, that correlate to this. The location of the planetary ruler of the 9th House, it's sign/ house location, aspects to it, correlate with how the 9th house in general is being actualized by the Soul RELATIVE TO IT'S UNDERLYING EV0LUTIONARY INTENTIONS FOR THE LIFE: THE PLUTO PARADIGM. It is that paradigm that correlates to the Soul's individual context that explains WHY: why that 9th house has the sign on it that it does, why the planetary ruler is located where it is, and the aspects that that is making. This then serves SECONDARY STREAMS that then feed the main stream symbolized by the N.Node in the 9th, the location of it's ruler, and the aspects to it.
Hi DDD,
Thank you for your continued contributions and effort on this thread! Look forward to reading your post soon.
Namaste
Deva
Ok thank you Deva,
Hopefully I will have something come to me soon so that I will be able to write about what your suggesting... I have hit a wall of major confusion again recently and I am trying to work through it so I can continue to participate... Thank you for your your patience and continued support to teach all of us here...
Heather
Hi Everyone,
North Node in the 9th House Continued....
South Node in the 3rd house the Soul is learning through taking in lots of information from many different sources to learn the difference between fact and opinion and through the North Node in the 9th House the Soul is learning the Relativity of Truth.
How a Soul comes to understand the Difference Between a Delusive Belief and Natural Law
I have really struggled with writing this part of the chart interpretation because of my own mental confusion but mostly because honestly when you asked me how a Soul would learn the difference between a Delusive Belief and Natural Law I was kind of stumped. I was like well I don't know, its just something you know or don't know lol. So I had to think about this for a while, its not like there is a book on Natural Law per se, I mean there are lots of books on spiritualization that link to Natural Law through there Universal teachings but really you don't come to "know" Natural Universal Laws just from reading books. So I started thinking about the examples that have been used in EA to describe a Natural Law such as "we all know the sky is blue" but that example never really worked for me because we have been conditioned to call Blue the color Blue and the Sky can be a whole rainbow of colors not just Blue. So while pondering all this I started to feel like Natural Law is more like an instinct, like another example of Natural Law used in EA "we all know you don't leave a baby on the highway" that example to me feels like a powerful way to describe a Natural Law that I think almost every person on this planet would relate too. Natural Law is something that is hard wired into the Soul its part of the Souls make up its instinctual and a "Belief" is something learned through traditions, culture, religions, family and society.
How one comes to understand the difference between a Delusive Belief and Natural Law in my view really relates to the level of Understanding or Evolution of the Soul it self. This really comes down to being a Natural Process that happens over many life times, Its not something Learned because its something that comes to the surface of being to the outward arc of life from the Soul itself. Its a Process from the first moment of separation from the Source one where the Soul is coming full circle back to its Root of Existence. Its like in the Consensus State there are a lot of Delusive Beliefs in fact the Consensus State just feels plain old Delusional and as a Soul claws and digs its way out of Consensus and into the Individual State now there starts to be less Delusive Beliefs and a real need to fight to keep Individual beliefs that are hard Won and start to cut through the Delusions of Consensus Reality . In those two States there will always be a real need to defend, convince and convert others to individual belief systems because these beliefs will be linked with internal security of the Soul and because they are "Belief's" and Not based in Natural Law they can never hold water over time. Then you come to the Spiritual State and its like "Beliefs" don't really exist there is only Universal Truths/ Laws/ Principles that apply to all... Of course I am using a very general model to describe the Evolution of Beliefs and this does not apply to everyone in each of these States but I feel it does in General. In the Spiritual State is where you come full circle in Understanding that Truth is Relative to where one is at on the Path of Truth and Understanding or Evolution of the Soul and that there is some Truth in almost Everything. Through Understanding that principle and aligning with Natural Universal Truths the need to convince and convert disappears. In the full circle of life the Soul comes back to its Root in Natural Law and only those principles will hold Water or Truth for the Soul through out time.
Through the North Node in the 9th House/ Sagittarius/Jupiter Archetype the Soul is coming into this life with the Desire for the Truth the Whole Truth and nothing but the Whole Truth and so the Soul will naturally want to align with a system that allows for a comprehensive understanding of larger Universal Truths and that allows for a continual expansion of those Truths to occur. With the North Node in the 9th house the Soul will need to align with a system of understanding that is based in Natural Law such as being a Naturalist or Shamanism- immersion into plants, animals and nature or Evolutionary Astrology, systems that are based in knowledge that comes through observation and through this kind of understanding the Soul will be learning the difference between Delusive Belief and Natural Law through correlation and observation of its environment, living and experiencing the truth for ones self. In this way the Soul will come to understand the direct perception of Truth something that is not taught or believed but something that is observable and known. Through observation and correlation through direct perception the Soul comes to understand the science of Cause and Effect or in spiritual terms Karma.
The Natural Law of Cause and Effect is important to truly understand when it comes to the Souls evolution in general and extremely important when coming to understand this scenario in particular because of Pluto's Polarity Point being in the Sign Pisces. When you link the North Node in the 9th back to Pluto PPP in Pisces in the 4th house then the need to understand the laws of Cause and Effect or Karma become clear. Pluto's polarity point being in Pisces is one where the Soul is learning to throw off all sense of Victimization and when a Soul starts to learn the Laws of Cause and Effect or Karma through life experience then a growth in understanding and perception of the Souls responsibility for its own reality occurs. Through throwing off all sense of Victimization and taking responsibility for the life experience the Soul can also connect to its true emotional being by purging beliefs that are based in that sense of victimization and that are delusive in nature and warp the Souls understanding of them selves and others.
A Life of Purpose Linked with internal emotional security will be found through a search for truth and understanding of the larger truths of the Universe and Ultimately to the Truths of Natural Universal Law.
Consensus State:
The Soul in the Consensus will most likely want to attach to some religious belief system that allows for a comprehensive understanding of truth out side of itself that is of the origin of the family of birth or prevalent in the society and locality of birth. In this way the Soul is linking its sense of Purpose to a higher authority which allows the Soul to navigate away from the over identification with the career and social position in society. Through this orientation the Soul will put emphasis on the family and religious/spiritual values instead and will be learning to cultivate internal emotional security from with in through those values and higher purpose.
Individual State:
The Soul in the Individual State will want to align with a comprehensive system of understanding that is outside of consensus religion and allows for direct experience to be its natural teacher. The Soul is learning at this stage to purge old and outdated belief systems that are preventing the process of Individualization and preventing further growth. The Soul will be aligning with a belief system that will allow for the process of individualization to occur and will be aligning with some others on there path to help others do the same. Emotional security and sense of purpose will come through not compensating for who they are as an individual and through aligning with there own personal truth and larger truths of existence that may be outside of beliefs of the family or society of birth.
Spiritual State:
In the Spiritual State the Soul will be mentally physically emotionally and spiritually aligning with Timeless Universal Laws... There will be an alignment with many different cosmological systems of Truth and Understanding and through that orientation the Soul will not be aligned with Beliefs but will be aligning with the Divine or the Creator. In this State sense of purpose and ultimate meaning come through aligning with the Divine Will of the Universe and emotional security will be found completely from with in through that orientation. The Soul will be learning to align with and eventually become those Ultimate Truths through actual physical perception and will be aligning with techniques that allow for physical perception to occur. In the Spiritual State the Soul will become ever more aligned with Natural Law and will be the thought Seeds that that help others in the physical environment to change grow heal and break free from Delusive Beliefs that are preventing Evolutionary Soul Growth to help others get back to their Ultimate Home.
Heather
Pluto 10th House/Capricorn, North Node 9th House/Saggittarius
With the North Node in the 9th House, the soul desires to create an egocentric base and structure based on the comprehensive philosophical understanding of all the facts making up the life and reality of the soul, and to define/align their egocentric center and sense of self through this understanding. The archetype of Saggittarius concerns those larger truths and natural laws which govern all aspects of life, and these truths are not dependent on whether or not people believe them to be true - they just are. This natural, philosophical understanding will help the soul realize, and emotionally align with, timeless, spiritual concepts and Truths.
As the 10th House Pluto soul evolves through cooperation with its evolutionary intentions of developing internal security through alignment of its emotional center with these timeless, universal principles, a superstructure of understanding will be necessary to make sense of how the soul fits into the whole and how they can align their personal sense of reality and work function within that whole. The development of intuition will be one of the primary ways that a sense of internal security and personal authority can be realized. This natural, intuitive growth leads to the numerous facts of their life, individually and within their family and society, being given a holistic meaning. Once a philosophical superstructure has been established, all facts, which will be different depending on the place and socio-economic reality of birth, can be given a reference point.
Intuition is the natural way we know things even though we might not know how it happened - we just know it. By learning to trust that feeling of knowing through the emotional body, the soul will more readily find that inner center through which they can get closer to who they really are. With continued development of their intuition, an inner flowering of their personal authority and security can help them find the right work for themselves, work that is in line with the continuing evolution of their soul. In communicating to themselves and others from this center of truth, they can continue to feel emotionally secure and confident in their own unique abilities. The need to align with foundational, timeless, natural Truth is a continually expanding reality where ever-deepening awareness will keep the soul on its natural path as it continues its inward search on an emotionally revealing journey where one realization after another will finally lead to the ultimate Truth.
In addition to place of birth, the ways and philosophies of any belief system will depend on evolutionary stage.
Consensus
In the consensus state, this search to understand and emotionally connect with the larger truths about the nature of their existence will most likely be reflected in their desire to join, learn about and adopt the belief systems of whichever consensus religion they feel most closely aligned with at an emotional and/or intellectual level. In the case of Pluto/10th, the religion they practice will most likely be the one they were born into - the one practiced by their parents. The sense of truth will be defined through the beliefs adopted by the religion, and security will be derived from the ability to have a holistic, consistent philosophical reference point through which to make sense of life. Intuition and inner security will continue to be developed through the internalization of the principles inherent in the system. As the soul becomes more secure in what they believe to be true, they can become powerful teachers as the strength of their conviction pours forth from their self-secure center of authority.
Individuated
In the individuated state, the soul will typically find emotional security in aligning with alternative, individualistic belief systems, bits and pieces of numerous belief systems cobbled together, or even aetheism. Rebelling against consensus religious philosophies will be the norm in this evolutionary state as they themselves want to define their own, unique superstructure of truth from within. Those in the individuated state will rebel against the confining nature of consensus systems as they experience, at the emotional level, the ever-expanding nature of unique, soul/truth awareness. Whatever system they choose, it must feel right on the inside and in alignment with the universal, timeless philosophy they are most closely aligned with. On the other hand, in some cases, there are souls who will cling to the consensus belief systems in an effort to maintain security, even while intuitively and emotionally being unable to connect with those very beliefs. This act of resistance is an attempt to remain secure and is unsustainable in the long run. Some of these people will be able to ingnite and inspire others to seek out their own personal truth, to break free and discover that which is inherent and unique about their place in the Creation. Sometimes they will inspire people with their very presence to break free from their own delusional beliefs without even realizing they are doing it. As in the consensus state, they can become mesmerizing and powerful teachers as they become secure and trustful of their deepening intuitive abilities.
Spiritual
In this state, the soul will understand that all genuine spiritual paths lead to the center and will understand that trouble arises when the words of fully-realized Masters such as Jesus are misinterpreted. They understand that truth is self-evident, everywhere and at all times, and does not require belief. Truth is for everyone, no matter who they are or where they were born. This is a soul who will experience an ever-expanding sense of self in part through techniques of direct experience with Source/Truth. They will recognize and understand the foundational truths revealed in Nature and will encourage others to look for those very truths themselves, i.e. Nature as teacher. As the soul evolves, they will identify and recognize more and more of the Universal Truth within themselves. As in the other evolutionary states, they can become powerful spiritual teachers for many and encourage and guide others to intuit the Truth for themselves.
Thanks as always for your patience. DDD :)
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of the North Node in the 9th house relative to Evolutionary State. To clarify, in the Consensus State the 9th house also correlates to the beliefs within the mainstream of any culture or society as well as religion. Yes, truth comes from direct knowledge, not the intellect or belief, and inherently exists within us all. In my understanding, the 9th house, Jupiter, Sagittarius archetype symbolizes the need to open up the truth as it inherently exists instead of creating a delusive belief, or searching externally. Purging delusive beliefs through gaining actual knowledge in the ways you have described allows an alignment with Natural law and our personal truth to occur.
The Natural Law of cause and effect is reflected by Pluto in the 10th house. Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house and the North Node in the 9th house symbolizes that the Soul can access It's emotional nature through recovering It's personal truth independent from any external societal conditioning factors that you have referenced (Pluto in Virgo the 10th house, South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house). The great Paramahansa Yogananda emphatically taught the importance of direct perception and knowledge, and not to take anybody else's word for it no matter who it is. In essence, to become your own natural teacher through direct experience and progressive union with the Source as you have written. In his natal chart, he has Pluto in the 10th house, South Node in the 3rd house, and Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house, North Node in the 9th house. Great job!
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the North Node in the 9th house relative to Evolutionary State. Yes, the Soul is developing, or forming, an egocentric structure that is founded on the need to develop the intuition, and align with both personal truth and Natural Law. This then becomes the vehicle through which the individual can access him or herself emotionally, and actualize their "right work" relative to Pluto's polarity point in the 4th house. Great job!
Namaste
Deva
Thanks Deva!
Hi Deva and All,
It is taking me a bit more time than i thought to participate in this segment but wish to finish in a couple of days. I'm sorry if it is keeping you, so would ask you to please continue as needed.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Everyone,
Thank you Deva for the clarifications as I'm struggling to understand the archetypes as well as what dynamics belong to each.... Yes I have studied Yogananda's chart through your interpretations in your book... I find it really helpful to me to reference your work along side your Father's work... Really EA is a blessing and gift to all who's lives it touches...
Also just to clarify... Is Natural Law part of our make up from the Creator or is it something discovered opened up to outside of ourselves or both?
Heather
Hi Helena,
Thank you for your continued participation on this thread! I look forward to reading your post soon.
Hi Heather,
From my understanding, Natural Law is hardwired into the Soul. It is an evolutionary process to open up to it from within ourselves (not externally).
Namaste
Deva
PPP in the 4th House/ NN in 9th House
The north node in the 9th house, for the soul with the polarity point in the 4th house, would correlate to the vehicle through which the soul can develop a new self-image aligned with its own truth by an ongoing creative self-actualisation (leo) and consequently a new identity based on who the soul actually is, shaped from its own center.
It might be somehow a difficult process but the call is to shift from a soul's self image that has been building security trough left brain ideas and knowledge to a more intuitive right brain functioning. A great quest of discriminating personal truth, from all the relative truths of all the souls that share our existence.
That discrimination would function with actual experience of the natural laws of creation that would then allow the soul to make the right choices according to what simply feels right or wrong within the soul's life context. JWG teaches that right brain/intuitive knowledge simply and naturally develops when you pose a question, a desire to know something, and let/trust the answer to reveal itself by itself on its own time. This would be the way for the 9th house NN soul to evolve and find its own new personal identity based on truth.
In the past week and in the process of writing and trying to learn more about this segment in our thread, instead of the 9th house/saggitarius archetype, i found myself gravitating to the transiting lunar nodes thread maybe also because the lunar nodes actually were about to change signs... Anyhow, i mention it because i found that the so much valuable information Rad shared about the archetypes of pisces/virgo help immensely to understand why a soul with pluto in virgo/ppp in pisces would have the need to evolve through the 9th house saggitarius archetype as a means to find its own truth, by starting from the context of our times.
In this case, with a great emphasis on the aquarius archetype (and considering pisces ruler neptune has SN in aquarius), it is quite possible that this soul's original wounds would correlate to many confrontations and emotional shocks coming from disillusionment about project realities that turned to be very different from the truth. They were, and i paraphrase Rad here about this archetype, realities/fictions that were only truth because they were believed in and very likley made part of the collective consciousness of the groups of people organised according to those beliefs, groups that the soul was also part of. So that could correspond to the original wound that somewhere in the soul's evolutionary journey led it to naturally detach in order to dissolve meaning that sustain beliefs that were not based on truth, hence the vital need to search for meaning that is actually based on knowing the truth, instead of believing in it.
The main issue could then be, if we consider this signature, a tendency in this past soul's lives to initially going from one delusional belief after another, projection of meaning, to maintain a sense of security, in order to avoid any painful confrontation with actually reality.
Via the 10th house virgo/pluto this would then lead to necessary crisis and a sense of futility about the actual meaning of personal authorithy and worth within the context of social position.
To put it in to context, the soul might be too used to search within society for the next group, trend, philosophical system, religion, etc., a search that only intents to fill the void left by disillusionment with previous beliefs to maintain that sense of authorithy and self-consistency that in the end lead again to another void.
Again, with probably an unconscious memory involving many traumatic situations, the soul would be tempted to avoid this meaningless state by continuing to project new beliefs with a fictional sense of meaning. In either case, until this empty hole is faced, sensed and experienced (4th house PPP) the soul could be facing a never ending cycle of projecting beliefs onto groups/ideas, detaching, dissolving those beliefs and create new ones. Forcefully, the ultimate expression of detachment would be to even detach from that, to actually experience the inner void from the inside and go forward.
This would be the why of the nn and ppp - the soul is going to evolve by having the courage to confront its own illusions about what it believes in and that itself can become a very rewarding and creative adventure - 9th house/leo. If the soul fearlessness decides to go this way, the search for truth can become a personal quest about the major themes the soul has been wondering about, intuiting, 9th house, and desires to know more. A force that drives the soul. Any philosophical, sociological, cosmological, spiritual question that is presented at a much stronger/consistent/persistent level than anything the soul is used to gravitate to, from the analytical/mental perspective of the sn in the 3rd house and virgo pluto.
With a context reality based on this journey, there would be much wisdom to share with others that also share the same metaphysical, philosophical or spiritual beliefs.
The nn in the 9th house will lead the soul to a road of fulfilment that can show the way to a natural state of transcendence, because ultimately, what the soul desires is a direct experience of the universal, but for that to be known/experienced first from an individual perspective.
In the consensus state this could represent a soul that belonged to an influential organised group within the mainstream of society be it religious, political, economical, or other, that at some point falls from grace - what had meaning/projection/impact on society no longer can be sustained, what was a secure fact became another reality, support coming from others no longer exists. So the soul, as with any pluto issue, would then be confronted with choice, either to face the actual void/defeat/crisis and search for the reasons behind it or to recreate yet again the same conditions for another cycle of the same confrontations. This last case can be seen for instance, in the politicians that even completely defeated continue to defend the same ideas over again or the priest that denies the actual reality of crimes committed against others by priests inside the organisation. In any case, in the end, the evolutionary pull would be to face it sooner or later and to reform any beliefs that actually have no meaning or use to society any more. A soul in this condition can be founder of a new organisation that has adapted to an emergent social need or requirement.
In the individuated state, the soul can be feeling completely marginalised, have no sense of personal power or wish to have so, but yet again through chance events/synchronicity meet someone or a group of people that make the soul feel at home and discover/remember a personal talent, something completely unexpected that now gives a sense of personal fulfilment like never before and is valued in that group. Or this could be a person that decides to isolate itself from the world after many disillusionments with the group or tribe it belongs to. The fight against society might no longer have meaning in those terms and the alienated soul could desire to go through a period of complete isolation. In that state, the soul's center can be found, and visions, feelings and intuitions can be received regarding the soul's future and steps to take.
In the spiritual state this visions could be always present. The soul will desire to follow on ideas that come from the Source, no matter how strange. There would be a natural state of humility within the soul but in most circumstances the soul will find itself in leading/teaching positions, sharing wisdom and helping others, even if the soul has many doubts or crisis about being in that role.
Hi Helena,
Great job! Everything you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the North Node in the 9th house relative to Evolutionary State. Yes, in the context of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house, the Soul must confront all it's delusive beliefs and experience disillusionment with those beliefs in order to align with It's personal truth, Natural Law, and then become self-secure to actualize It's right work. The examples you used in the Evolutionary States are very clear and applicable to current political/social events.
Namaste
Deva
Thank you, Deva!
NN in 9th house, PPP in 4th house Pisces
Soul in this life time is developing a self-image align with personal truth, find a natural existence state in immediate environment/society. Soul need freedom to explore personal truth by travelling to foreign land, being exposed to other language/culture/value systems, align with certain religion/philosophy/cosmology or simply connect with nature and natural law, in order to understand meaning of phenomenon, to expand its consciousness, to understand its connection to universe, eventually understand self is larger than just physical body or ego, and change the way they interpret existence/experiences/life itself. Also they can tap into their special purpose/destiny of current life by searching for personal truth and a knowledge system resonate with them, they can have a center of self-image/value system, a foundation for them to communicate their ideas/express themselves, they can also learn to only collect relevant information, deepen their knowledge through direct experiences/experiment, develop their intuition, with this new form of "inner knowing", they will naturally know what's right/wrong, what path is right for their evolution without getting lost in infinite possibilities, as a larger force is guiding them from within, this then can help Soul validate itself, trust the larger force, find inner security to go with the flow. Soul with Pluto in 10th house Virgo /PPP in 4th house Pisces, SN 3rh house/NN 9th house, they will experiences blockage in society, what they already known suddenly doesn't work anymore, or life suddenly lost meaning, within these cycle, it's opportunity for Souls to access their inner journey, inner growth, the energy is still moving not yet manifested. They need to quiet their mind, step out of immediate familiar environment/social relationships, to truly tune in, when they allow this natural cycle happen, they will understand the meaning/purpose of the blockage, and make adjustment according to their intuition of possible future, make choice that are honest with themselves, not compensate the sense of alienation. Also this signature teaches us, integrate information/truth requires time to mature (10th house), and direct experiences through emotional body (NN 9th house, PPP 4th house Pisces), we can all connect with Whole/Truth by aligning with our personal truth. Lastly, When soul align with natural law, the guilt/negative self-image can be dissolved, soul can accept themselves or others as it is without harsh judgment, but provide guidance for self/others to purify/improve/grow.
Consensus State
Soul in this state will align with a religion/philosophy/more intuitive knowledge system, which validated by mainstream values, to develop their right brain, intuition, and expand their consciousness, also to find certain meaning of their life/role/purpose, they will use this as a foundation to integrate date/information they collect, another way is just simply connecting with nature, they may find a new career to be service for nature/mother earth/environment. When they can find purpose/meaning resonate with their true identity, career/work/life itself will bring emotional comfort/satisfaction, as universe validate their new path and reward them. They also need to learn integrate new information/knowledge through direct experiences, through reaction of emotional body, their inner voice and inner knowing what's right or wrong for themselves, in this way, they will also start to adjust their judgment, more align with natural law, more included and have empathy for others. Another way for Soul in this state to embrace NN/PPP lessons, is being exposed to other culture/religion/philosophy/tradition, their old value may be challenged or they may actually resonate with part of foreign values, both condition will create inner crisis, or sense of alienation, leading to self-knowledge and adjustment.
Individuated State
In this state, Soul needs complete freedom to explore their personal truth, they will search for a knowledge system which can explain the meaning of life, how we all connect to universe/larger force, they can find the truth/freedom through mind, regardless of social condition/immediate environment. For example in a society lack of belief system, or authority controls people's mind, soul in this state can sustain inner freedom by searching for personal truth, reading/learning knowledge resonate with them, expand their consciousness, to truly know who they are, what's their purpose in life, and why their soul choose such environment/experiences, this inner knowing can develop inner authority/security, they won't lose themselves in a alienated environment. Also through time, they will create new experiences/reality reflect this inner freedom, they can share their knowledge to empower others to do the same. In this state, soul can really tap into universal truth by tuning into personal truth (as part of truth our human consciousness can perceive). Soul can also live a double life flow with natural cycles, one cycle to sustain their social role/career/family, next cycle to have complete freedom retreating in nature, and bring the inner knowledge back to next cycle, in this way find its natural state of existence, develop new self-image/value systems, and the social role will unfold naturally.
Spiritual State
In this state, Soul can understand universal truth, also truth are relative, can be expressed in different language/belief systems, Soul can also understand everyone is in their own process of evolution, thus provide guidance/teaching relative to other's reality without any judgment, they have ability to communicate their mind in different ways so others can resonate. They can teach human race that we all connected with each other, essentially we are the same but express ourselves through our individuality, and as human race, how can we work together to be service to source, so each individual soul can find their role within the whole human evolution. They will develop their intuition, understand what's the meaning behind each experiences, and how does it correlate a larger purpose, they will have inner vision/intuition about future, this will help them tune in with their inner pace, they may also have this vision/intuition on a collective level, guide other souls how to find guidance within (connecting to source) to evolve in physical realm, to transcend the physical experiences, have direct experiences of universal truth. My point is every soul creates a self-image, or evolving its self-image on earth, we all can directly know the truth by knowing ourselves, because we are all reflect part of divine/source/whole truth.
Thanks again for this opportunity!
Wei
Hi Everyone,
I'm brand new to this message board and I'm not quite sure how to start participating, should I wait until there is a new practice thread posted?
Thank you!!!!!
Hi Wei,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of North Node in the 9th house relative to Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house. The evolving, or forming, egocentric structure of the Soul is based upon the development of the intuition, elimination of all delusive beliefs, and an alignment with Natural Law. This egocentric structure is created in order to internalize emotional security, define ultimate meaning from within, and actualize "right work" as symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house. Nature and the Natural Laws therein can become a primary teacher. In essence, the Soul is evolving from the part (South Node in the 3rd house) to the whole (North Node in the 9th house). In this way, personal truth is discovered from within rather then from the view points and opinions of those within positions of authority within society, or any social group (Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house). Thank you for your continue participation on this thread.
Hi Barbara,
Welcome to the EA community and the message board! In terms of participating on the practice thread my suggestion is to review what has been discussed so far on the thread and then join in.
Namaste
Deva
Hi All,
Thank you for your continued efforts and participation on this thread! If there is anybody who would like to post please let me know. Otherwise, my plan is to move onto the next step of the practice thread which is the planetary ruler of the North Node by Thursday this week (June 1st). Does this sound OK to the group?
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva, ready when you are. Thanks. :)
The PPP in Pisces in the 4th reflects the necessity for this soul to build a relationship with itself through the development of the emotional body, by accessing the chaos of the emotions it repressed and suppressed in order to fit in and conform with the structure of reality dictated by the society/nation it was born into, as it's shown by the current location of Pluto in the 10th. There's also two types of guilt this soul is trying to resolve
: 1. natural guilt acquired by the transgression of natural law and its own natural ethics as it was dictated by the society/nation/structure of reality it was conforming with in order to feel secure. This requires this soul to take responsibility now for its actions
2. acquired guilt, guilt accrued by the judgment of that same society when the soul tried or thought of acting according to its own nature whatever this one may have been, reflected by the sign Pluto is in (Virgo)
The soul is being asked to do a sort of brain switch from purely analytical/left brain to a more right brain/intuitive mode.
This could also symbolize a recent gender switch as well, where the soul finds itself in a completely different gender reality while carrying the conforming aspects of the previous conditioned reality and/or the judgments it casted onto the current gender it's incarnated into. This will create an interesting inner psychology that will throw this soul into the reflection of it's true emotions separate from others. It can also lead to a lot of anger and judgment.
The way in which this is soul will be able to actualice the PPP of recovering the emotional body, building up its inner security, going home to itself basically is through a cosmology or belief system that it's more aligned with natural law or the daemon archetype as reflected by the 9th house NN. In this way the soul can start building its inner security in a way that is not tied up with having to conform with societal norms and expectations but with its own natural needs and emotions. With Pisces in the PPP this inner security has to be done by letting go of control and inner judgment, through unconditional love for itself... a revamping of the entire emotional body. The belief system/cosmology that the soul aligns with will vary depending on the evolutionary stage of the soul.
Another aspect of this is linked to taking responsibility for its own actions so if this soul has made transgressions of natural law as previously pointed or manipulated others or used the system to achieve its goals and stay in control it may now be blocked from that mental agility it had to this (SN in the 3rd). Other authority figures could also block the soul from this in a way that it has to access its inner psychology and take responsibility for its own actions/emotions thus enforcing the integration suggested in the NN of deepening and connecting the dots into the big picture through a entire new meaning of life. In certain cases this will extend beyond the actual society/religion/nation and the soul will go explore within different ones in order to actualice a more expanded vision of reality upon which it can build its new self image (PPP in the 4th) (NN in the 9th).
In same cases it can attach to a teacher, a guru, a spiritual practice, a different lifestyle that symbolizes that new belief system
Hi Everyone,
Yes Deva I am ready whenever you and everyone else are...
Thank you,
Heather
Thanks Deva
And yes I am ready for next step.
Hi Deva,
Yes, count me in too, thank you!
Helena
Hi Barbara,
Great job! From my understanding you are writing that the North Node in the 9th house reflects an evolving egocentric structure that is based upon the need to understand life from a cosmological/metaphysical/philosophical/religious standpoint. The specific metaphysical/philosophical system, and resulting beliefs contained within it, is dependent upon the Evolutionary State. In this way, the Soul can then actualize it's current evolutionary intentions which are to access itself emotionally, internalize emotional security, and dissolve old conditioning patterns of the past that created a negative self-image (Pluto's polarity point in Pisces the 4th house).
My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by including how this would manifest relative to evolutionary state (Consensus, Individuated, and Spiritual). I also suggest that you deepen your understanding of the 9th house archetype also by adding the intention to learn the difference between a delusive belief and actual knowledge or truth which is based upon Natural Law. I noticed typos in your post and would like to request that you proof read before posting as it makes it easier it read. Thank you for contributing to this thread!
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva!!! I will expand on the different EA stages and check my typos. My phone/computer are set up on two languages and they've gone kind of crazy lately. If two given words are very similar in both languages, it will just autocorrect it into the opposite language I'm writing in... 😳 So I'll make sure I triple check!!! And I see there's a spell check button here too ;)
Hi Deva
Thinking about 9th house-3rd house archetype, when 9th house correlates to alienation, is it more likely for Pluto 3rd house soul to feel safe/resonate/comfortable with the society/culture/tradition/language they are born into?
Thanks
Hi Wei,
Thanks for posting your question. From my understanding this is specific to evolutionary state. For example, some with Pluto in the 9th house may feel right at home within their culture/society of birth. The key point within this is the underlying beliefs/philosophy/religion within the society of birth and how any given Soul relates to or does not relate to those beliefs.
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva, that make sense!
Hi Deva,
PPP in the 9th through the evolutionary stages
Adding to the part of the archetype you mentioned the last time before moving onto the stages: this correlates with this soul having been aligned with a portion of the truth or the delusive truth originating from the garden of Eden myth which led to the distorted man made laws of superiority/inferiority, domination/submission, anger/guilt in relation to women and nature in general. These laws are quite opposite from the natural law or the totality of the truth that the 9th house PPP is pointing towards.
Moving through the stages:
Consensus:
The soul will identify with the current belief system/religion of the society it born into in order to find meaning upon which it can build its inner security/self-image.
Once the soul starts moving towards individuated, the consensus belief system, religions, cosmology will start to not be enough and the soul is pushed out to explore outside of this framework and find answers for itself.
Individuated:
At this stage the soul will start feeling a core alienation to the current nation, belief system/cosmology of the society/nation it was born into. This will push the soul to explore and expose itself to various belief systems of diverse nature, from diverse cultures in order to find its own unique system that it can relate to in order to relate to itself and actualice that NN in the 4th.
At this point the soul will align with diverse practices and diverse gurus. The soul will rebel against the consensus belief system, sometimes even towards its county of origin adding to the alienation feelings which will make the soul want to only connect with like-minded ones (specially in the 2nd subdivision).
Spiritual:
The soul will choose to align with source/god/goddess and nature more deeply in order to find meaning that can lead to a cosmology it can refer to in order to feel secure. The cosmology is now transcendent and not limited to a region/practice/culture. The guru as a person looses importance and it's viewed as a channel for source instead of an another egoic structure to attach to. Nature and source become the teacher here. The soul begins to realize that no one single person can hold the entirety of the truth, only source can.
Spirit and flesh are united here.
Hi Barbara,
To clarify, it is the North Node in the 9th house not Pluto's polarity point. What you have written accurately reflects the North Node in the 9th house within the Evolutionary States. In the Individuated State, truth is defined from within independent from the beliefs/religion within the mainstream society. This requires personal freedom and independence for discovery of personal truth to occur. In the Spiritual State, truth is defined through direct experience, or knowledge, of Natural Laws. In essence, personal truth is discovered from within through the development of the intuition independent from the influence of any external information, viewpoints, or opinions.
Hi All,
The next step In the practice thread is to add the sign of the North Node. In the example chart we are using the South Node is in Aquarius in the 3rd house, and the North Node is in Leo in the 9th house. My suggestion is to review Pluto in Leo/5th to gain an in depth understanding of the Leo/5th house/Sun archetype.
How does the sign of Leo condition the expression of the North Node in the 9th house? The Leo archetype symbolizes that discovery of personal truth, and alignment natural laws will occur through creative actualization, and taking control of the special destiny through the strength of the will. In essence, the Soul's sense of special destiny is linked to the actualization of It's personal truth.
The Leo, 5th house, Sun archetype correlate with the need to creatively actualize the special destiny through the strength of the will. It is through this archetype that we become aware that we have something special to do in the world, such as a creative capacity or talent, and desire to self-actualize. Most often, a pyramid reality structure is created in which the individual's needs are at the very top, and every other contributing life factor is expected to revolve around and serve their needs. This archetype also reflects a high degree of self focus upon the creative purpose. Essentially, we can become "full" of ourselves.
Additionally, the need for external validation and feedback from the environment can become constant due to a sense of specialness. This dynamic manifests because Leo naturally follows the sign Cancer:
egocentric insecurity. In this situation, no matter much is given it is never really enough. Positively expressed, self -empowerment can occur as the Soul learns to validate Itself from within, and is no longer dependent upon the external environment to provide this feedback. Most commonly, the individual validates and gives to others based upon his or her subjective, or self-centered, reality. In other words, the Soul may attempt to guide the creative actualization of others based upon their own self-centered creation, or projection of the other, and give to others according what it thinks is needed from their own subjective reality. All to often, giving only occurs relative to fulfillment of a personal need or agenda.
As the individual learns to inwardly validate him or herself from within the the need for external recognition and feedback will be purged. In so doing, the capacity to acknowledge the creative gifts of others in a
non-threatened manner will take place. The Soul will then seek to motivate others to self-actualize in a way that supports the reality of other and not their own. The true generosity symbolized within the archetype of Leo can then manifest.
In the context of the North Node in the 9th house, creative actualize is relative to the alignment with personal truth and Natural Laws that are independent from any information or view points collected within a social group of like mindedness (South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house). The discovery of personal truth is linked with the Soul's special destiny and creative purpose. The evolutionary lesson is to self-empower through liberation from any dependency upon a social group, and the viewpoints and opinions within those social groups. In this way, the individual will discover the truth inherently exists in and of itself, and is not a product of the intellect or belief. Conversely, due to the sense of specialness defined by belief, the individual may attempt to convince and convert others, and actualize in a more or less self-centered manner defined by delusive belief. Of course, the Soul's special destiny and creative actualization process is relative to the Evolutionary State.
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, the North Node in Leo in the 9th house will manifest as creative actualization of "truth" as defined by mainstream society, and it's culturally held beliefs. The Soul will feel a sense of special destiny that is linked to a socially accepted religion, and the resulting beliefs within it. Creative actualization will occur within the mainstream society. Thus, in the consensus state the Soul desire to "˜get ahead' or actualize itself relative to going to schools of higher learning in order to gain a degree of credential that then creates the vehicle to actualize it's sense of special purpose that is now socially authorized because of the degree of credential gained. In the same way, and for the same reasons, the Soul may gain credentials and social authorization by going to various types of trade schools.
For others they can believe that there lot in life, the 10th House Pluto in Virgo relative the it's polarity in Pisces/ 4th house, is to do whatever it takes to get by in life and to find their inner meaning and creative actualization of their own personal truths in this way.
Individuated State: In the individuated State, the North Node in Leo is the 9th house will manifest through creative actualization of personal truth that is independent from the mainstream, or culturally held beliefs. Creative actualization will take place within an alternative field within society. The Soul will feel a sense of special destiny that is linked with the actualization of personal truth that reflects it's individuality, and is not defined through mainstream religion or culturally held beliefs. In this evolutionary state, the individual will need a high degree of freedom and independence in order to discover his or her personal truth from within him or herself, and to creatively actualize in a way that expresses this truth.
Self-empowerment can take hold as the Soul takes control of It's special destiny outside the influence of any social group of like minded others, and defines truth through from within itself. A possible expression
within this evolutionary state is to teach metaphysical or philosophical principles within a given alternative field. The Soul may receive some degree of or special recognition or acknowledgment for teaching within
an alternative field. These Souls will encourage others to define personal truth from within, and to actualize their special abilities that reflect their personal truth.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, the North Node in Leo in the 9th house will manifest through creative actualization of personal truth as defined by Natural, Timeless principles reflected in the manifested Creation. The Soul will feel a sense of special destiny that is linked with the actualization of these Natural Laws independent from any spiritual group or community. In this evolutionary state, the individual will require a high degree of freedom and Independence in order discover through direct experience Universal, Timeless principles that will then become the foundation of their personal truth, and shape the creative actualization process.
In this evolutionary state, the individual will have an innate capacity to teach Natural Laws to others, and this can become a vehicle through which creative actualization takes place. The Soul may be perceived in a special light by others relative the direct knowledge of Natural Laws. These Souls will motivate others to become their own "inner teacher," to learn through direct experience of Timeless, Universal principles, and
to actualize in accordance with these principles.
Please write out in your own words an analysis of how the sign of Leo conditions the expression of the North Node in the 9th house.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Deva,
Sorry, I need to pay more attention!! I got all confused with the PPP. I will write something soon.
Namaste
Hi Everyone,
Deva I just wanted to clarify the shift in egocentric identity moving from the south node in Aquarius to the north node in Leo... So the Soul is moving away from an over identification with groups and organizations when it comes to its identification of the self and now learning to creatively self actualize independent of others... Because we are always looking for balance of the archetypes does this mean that in actuality the independent self creative actualization that comes independent of others also must benefit the group in some way? Meaning one will not be able to creatively actualize without considering that actualization to the need of society in some way? Is this the balance? Conversely if the Nodes were reversed then the Soul would be actualizing an egocentric identity linked with and through group dynamics?
Also when we are talking about the south and north node of the moon we are talking about moving away from an overidentification and security linked to the south node and moving towards developing the north node... Yet if we see two planets in opposition say Sun in Aquarius opposite Moon in Leo, which is confusing to me, then are we talking about a blending of the archetypes energies not moving away from one to the other or is this only interpreted through the whole chart?
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Thank you for posting your question. Yes, from my understanding, the shift to the North Node reflects a balance, or integration of the polarity sign relative to the South Node. Generally speaking, from an Evolutionary Astrology perspective, an opposition reflects the need to "throw off" a dynamic. Yes, we must look at the birth chart as a whole to understand the specific dynamics that the Soul intends to "throw off."
Namaste
Deva
Ok thank you Deva
Heather
NNN in Leo in the 9th
This correlates to the evolutionary intention for this soul to actualice its own special purpose in life, to become full of itself and separate from the over identification with the group consciousness via the groups opinions and ideas (3rd house) around the construct of reality/society (relative to the P in the 10th). The way this is colored by the 9th house has to do with the soul aligning with a belief/cosmology/truth around reality that reflects more accurately this special purpose the soul feels called to actualice.
Another aspect of the 9th house has to do with an internal restlessness that will drive the soul to explore and seek that truth it can better reflect these needs to create and be in charge of its own destiny.
One of the tricky aspects here could be the need of this soul to receive external validation around this pattern which in turn will give the soul another way to build inner security that is still attached to external sources (PPP in the 4th).
Once the soul is able to draw validation from within, the self-actualization linked to a special purpose aligned with its own unique truth can help the soul integrate the lesson of inner security being independent from external sources.
Depending on the evolutionary stage the soul is in this will manifest in different ways.
Consensus Stage:
The soul will align with the mainstream belief system, draw meaning from it and actualice its creative purpose in alignment with that. It can become a teacher of others within this context and need to convert others into it, as any expression of something different will threaten the inner security of this soul. Inner security still attached to an external source here The soul threw away the need to align with societal constructs of reality and it's beginning to align with its own unique version of the truth/meaning of life which in the consensus is still attached to the way most people view meaning.
Individuated:
The soul will progressively aligned with more alternative truths around life in general, this will influence what the soul values and finds meaning in, which will influence how it actualices its own sense of special destiny. The soul becomes more and more independent from mainstream society. The restlessness manifests in an interest for traveling, exploring other cultures, others bodies of philosophy/knowledge/education so it can synthesize all of this into its own unique way of understanding itself within the "cosmos" for lack of a better word here. The soul will progressively find its own unique niche from which to actualice its unique purpose and inner security gets built up around this whole inner psychology.
Spiritual:
The soul begins aligning with natural truth as it is observed in nature and as it is observed within as a ways to self-actualice its unique purpose. Here the need for external validation begins to be internalized hence the inner security of the soul is found within. The soul aligns with source and it's guided by source as far as what its unique purpose is about ...
The separating desires to know the truth start to dissipate as the soul realizes that the totality of truth cannot be held by only one individual soul, the need to convince and convert others also starts going away. The soul embodies natural truth and teaches others through this embodiment a lot more than through instruction.
Namaste
Bárbara
Hi Barbara,
From my understanding, you are writing that the sign of Leo will condition the expression of the 9th house North Node relative to creative actualization of personal truth, and a sense of special destiny linked with
self-actualization of this truth. The evolutionary state will determine how the Soul self-actualizes. My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by including more in your analysis of how the Leo
archetype will condition the 9th house North Node through the evolutionary states. For example, add to the Consensus State how the desire to get ahead of the system will be expressed relative to the sign of Leo, and the North Node in the 9th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
Thank you for that suggestion. I have a question, should we start with the house archetype or the sign? Or is it a synthesis of both them what we are striving for at the end regardless of the order? I have some confusion around this.
Blessings,
Bárbara
Hi Barbara,
Thank you for posting your question. The intention of this step of the practice thread is to illustrate how the sign of Leo conditions the expression of the North Node in the 9th house. The sign always conditions the house. This is why we start with the house position of any planet, then add the sign.
Namaste.
Deva
Hi Deva
can you give input/evolutionary intent on the ruler of Pluto square to it.
Thanks Joey
Hi Joey,
First, I would like to request that you do not post random questions that are unrelated to the practice thread. This thread is for the application of Evolutionary Paradigm. It is inappropriate to use this thread and the message board in this way. Second, you cannot determine evolutionary intent from isolating a symbol within the birth chart. Thank you for respecting the guidelines of the Message Board.
Namaste
Deva
Thank you Deva, that helps. I'll expand on the suggestions soon.
Namaste,
Bárbara
Hi Deva,
Expanding upon the consensus stage, this soul will probably use his sense of specialness linked to this lifestyle/belief system/body of truth out which the soul is now operating as a ways to to get ahead and be on top of the social strata, it may abuse its power as a teacher/religious leader in order to attain power and money. It may also get delusions of grandeur linked to this new living of the truth, that this soul at this level considers to be the ultimate and only truth to abide by. This may contribute to the sense of special purpose and specialness as the holder of such truth, others not in alignment with it may be viewed as inferior or wrong in need to convert and reformed. As a teacher or leader it will probably become quite fundamentalist in its beliefs.
Namaste,
Bárbara
Hi Barbara,
Thank you for your participation on this thread. What you have written is one possible expression of how the sign of Leo will condition the expression of the North Node in the 9th house within the Consensus State. The central dynamic is that creative actualization (Leo) will occur relative to the beliefs of the mainstream society/nation of birth. The beliefs and creative actualization process will be used to help the Soul advance within the social strata. Yes, the Soul will feel a special destiny linked to these beliefs. The 9th house archetype also reflects higher education, and that this one potential vehicle the Soul can use to get ahead of the system, and for for self-actualization to take hold. To clarify, please expand your previous analysis within the Individuated and Spiritual States as well just as you did within the Consensus State. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Yes absolutely, thank you for pointing out the other expressions within consensus!!!
Expanding upon individuated:
The way the soul actualices its sense of purpose/special destiny now changes and it starts getting directed to more alternative/out of the box practices/philosophies/studies/ that respond to a more unique sense of self separate from the consensus of the society it was conditioned by. Even if the soul studies something considered mainstream, it will find a more individualized way of applying it, of expressing it, of using it to create something that reflects its uniqueness.
It will slowly start aligning with bodies of knowledge that reflect the inherent natural truth within the soul reinforcing the sense of being special and different from others. The delusion of grandeur can come from this sense of being different as being superior than those it separated from.
This self-actualization linked to a realignment towards the unique truth of the soul will help rebuild the inner security and sense of meaning separated from consensus and more centered around its own unique truth, it is from here that the soul now manifests a role/mission within the society by maybe teaching within the field that represents its unique purpose aligned with what resonates to personal truth/belief system/science/practice.
(respective to PPP/P position)
Another aspect to mention here is that the soul may still need external validation to confirm his specialness. To the level that the soul is able to internalize this, the PPP in the 4th in Pisces becomes more integrated and the level of competitiveness with others decreases as they are not perceived as a threat to the soul.
Is this person perhaps start going to start feeling more and more drawn to nature, animals, natural settings to live in? Will the expression of purpose whether within science/medicine/music/education/etc start aligning more and more with natural law or will this only start happening towards the last subdivision moving to spiritual?
Spiritual: The creative purpose to self-actualice, the special sense of destiny of the soul starts aligning with natural/universal laws.
The connection to natural truth provides for a ways to connect to the emotional body and to draw inner security from it and ultimate meaning it's projected upon this. By observing nature the soul gets closer to it and it's able to teach others these laws... the soul would probably be drawn to shamanistic types of spiritual practices. Respective to the P/PPP the soul is able to serve and heal from a place of internal security, responsibility, receptiveness, and integrity. The need for validation being more and more internalized, the soul encourages others to become what they are naturally aligned with. The soul listens and serves according to the other's reality, not its own subjective one.
Hi Everyone,
North Node in the 9th house in Leo:
Leo/Sun/ 5th house Archetype
The north node being in the 9th house in the sign Leo means the Soul is coming into this life with a strong desire to express their personal truth. The Leo archetype signifies the creative self actualization process to use the personal will to manifest this actualization. With in the Leo archetype the Soul will feel a very strong sense of special destiny and purpose and will desire to make themselves known in some way. Because of the strong sense of special destiny contained with in the sign Leo there can be negative manifestations of over self interest or to much emphasis on the Creative Process that links to wanting to be seen as special or validated in some way.
The South Node coming from the Sign Aquarius means the Soul was learning to detach and objectify to be able to see reality as it is from an impersonal view now they are learning to Creatively Actualize their strong sense of purpose and special destiny. The creative actualization can only truly happen if the Soul can link there sense of special purpose with a socially relevant need as well as the Soul would need to have a solid identity and relationship to oneself, in this way the excessive need for validation and attention that is inherent to the Leo archetype can be transmutated. The Soul will be learning to validate others as much as validating itself and in the spirit of true Leo generosity the Soul will be learning to Share of themselves in some way.
The Soul with North Node in the 9th house in Leo will be creatively actualizing by sharing their own personal truth with others as well as truth based in Natural Laws. The strong need to creatively actualize through sharing of personal truth as well as Natural Law would lead naturally to the Teacher Archetype in some way. Creative Actualization could happen through teaching others what the Soul itself has learned based on actual experience that the Soul feels most identified with.
Consensus:
In the consensus state the Soul will feel a strong sense of personal destiny and need to creatively actualize their personal truth and this may come through identifying with a prominent position in society. The Soul will most likely be looking for validation of its specialness in this state and will most likely gain the credentials to actualize something that pertains specifically to consensus reality because of this. Because of the strong identification with beliefs attached to organized religion and the need to be seen as sharing their personal truth linked with this attachment you could see this Soul being someone obtaining maybe a Doctorate in Divinity and actually running their own center for religion.
I am not able to finish this at this very moment but I am posting what I have so far.
I will post the individual and spiritual states as soon as I am able to...
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Barbara,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the North Node in Leo/9th house within the evolutionary states. Yes, in the Individuated State the Soul will progressively be drawn to environments that resonate with their personal truth and individuality. In this evolutionary state, the 9th house could manifest as cultural alienation from the mainstream society. Relative to the sign of Leo, the need then becomes to choose environments that support creative actualization of personal truth.
Hi Heather,
Great job! What you have written so far accurately reflects the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. I look forward to reading Individuated/Spiritual State soon.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone, I apologize! Somehow I missed Deva's description of the next step - I can't believe I did that. Anyway, I will be working on it during the next few days and will post as soon as I have something ready.
Hi Deva and All,
North node in the 9th House Leo
With the archetype of Leo in the 9th house, to answer the question "what is the truth?" the soul would probably have to ask instead "where is MY truth?", and would have to go and search for it, with freedom and drive.
It isn't likely that society, the group (for as much as the soul could still wish) or man made rules and regulations will provide a guide sign, answers or comfort at this evolutionary juncture anymore, the soul desires to come at the point where the only law it will want to obey will be its own law (leo) in the context of individual self expression that would also represent obeying first higher law, the natural laws of nature and creation(9th house), and feeling it all out with a sense of special purpose.
Relative to pluto in the 10th/virgo, this can present some problems and solutions. The nature of this problems would concern a crisis coming out of the realisation of the need, due to past security, pluto, to conform to group ideas, system laws, regulations and expectations that itself would also conflict with natural desires of individual creative self-expression.
One of the solutions would be to find in the virgo archetype the natural discrimination between right and wrong and applying creatively the wisdom of natural law teachings in the context of social participation. The soul has that choice.
At this point, the behavioural shift would have to come from comparison/detachement to focus on self/creation. Leo comes after Cancer, and an integration of the ppp would be to project the inner sense of special purpose to sustain an inner sense of security. Going from remaining different or against, to being a unique part, IN society, an not more nor less than anyone, just as special (hence the difficulty with leo..). The search implies motion, there is a lot of fire going on, so it will be some sort of quest, an adventure, a dynamic pathway, a go to meet the self, so to speak, the so called artist with the brush in the hand always ready for next stroke, and here also waiting for inspiration from on High. Even if in fact, in the end, after a long road travelled and a lot of "foreign" places, the answer was there all the time. Inside.
I get the feeling that a soul who could go to the end of its life fulfilling this purpose, will get there feeling much joy, genuinely happy with itself, its place in the world and with God.
Until then, there could be many trials, as with all human condition and limitations. Remembering security in this soul is coming naturally from group participation i would say there could be mainly two conditions at the starting point.
The first would have recent soul memories of this security coming from the ability to not only belonging to the group but ruling it; the other, would have memories of this security as belonging (or being against) the group, a sense of identity diffused in the group and shared ideas with like minded others even if in some way that represents the margins of mainstream society, or even standing as a group of one.
In all, the evolutionary pull of leo in the 9th house is going to create circumstances either of confronting self-centred ego delusions that are not part of who the soul naturally is through humility, or of getting the soul center stage, by an ability, talent, capacity, projected outwards, or even both. With pluto in virgo, this process will eventually and cyclicly generate crisis whenever there is a need for some soul adjustment.
In fact, this signature has a very natural 'necessity' for crisis to induce reflection. The ultimate positive expression of capricorn/10th house is the application of natural laws as the pillar structure of society, and so it would make sense that the souls among us that find themselves in the evolutionary condition of assuming some responsibilities about this application would go through a re-alignment of what law it is here to serve and apply and for that process to represent creative freedom for itself and for others. EA's accuracy never ceases to amaze me, because if we think about the society we've been creating (and destroying) and living in for some time, it would be only natural that some of the ones that are here to serve by ruling in accordance to natural laws, go through some inner process first themselves (PPP 4th house) to decondition from all that isn't truth (9th house) and for that to be an absolute act of self-creative actualisation (leo). And adding a bit more to this chart, it will also be natural that sagittarius might be in the ascendant/first house announcing this new start in consciousness about truth and creative potential.
With the law of polarity, this signature would also be representing the egocentric persona, living upon lies and projecting them on society, be this lies religious, sociological or philosophical based, they will always come forward by a charismatic type of character. I think the silver tongue devil that JWG mentioned many times might apply to this example, specially if we consider SN in the 3rd aquarius, projected on the 9th/leo need to shine for what it believes in. And in this case we can see the delusions of, for instance, the person feeling it is here in a "mission from on high" and the expected fall.
Also Deva, and i'm sorry if i'm going a bit to fast here, this signature made me try to understand in a more clear way the application of the sun sign. As it wouldn't surprise me, if this soul was really committed to its evolutionary journey to be having a sun in the 5th house (in aries). Could this be correct or just too much generalisation of looking at the sun sign?
I see that problems mentioned before about conflicting discoveries about truth for itself and conforming to social expectations and roles would be felt much intensely in the consensus state. It seems to me as if, even in the consensus state, will always stand an inner rebel, even if concealed, when the soul desires to know what is right and wrong from within.
On the outside, a fun, easy going character, that looks at life with a need to decompress the heaviness of social interactions, and see the bright side of life. A curious person. All issues concerning natural law start to surface as a need to discover it from within, in the context of the group and society it belongs to. Issues like religious dogmas, intimate sexual relationships, marriage, work conduct, the relationship between humans and nature, all need to be creatively actualised/defined from experience, not directly from the group or society input. Even if it does not defy it, it will not give it much credit. It would prefer to shine on its own.
The recognition this soul craves for will come then from actualising a special talent that can manifest this personal discoveries and inner experiences in any of these areas. If this soul is a college professor and antrophologist, that finds itself, from traveling and working directly with indigenous communities, not the teacher/scholar/professor but a student, this soul could then via humility, true curiosity and desire to learn, accept that western thinking is not superior to ancient knowledge and wisdom, and be inspired to write a book on that community, sharing that knowledge and presenting the community the way it is, without judgment, choosing not to look with the eyes of an intellectual authority but with true understanding/acceptance of human diversity and knowledge.
In this stage there can also be situations where the person that has learned to be part/lead the group, desires now, through that group vehicle also promoting itself and have personal recognition by becoming an icon for that group within mainstream society.
In the individuated state, i would see the issues arising more in the capacity to stand as an individual apart from groups that, by not belonging to the mainstream constitute themselves exclusive and special already. Depending on progression through this stage, the soul could have added difficulties in finding and living through its own sense of specialness, discovering it and applying it outside of group consciousness. It could also be more "˜easy' and pleasurable to go with the chosen group than completely stand out.
Either way, the sense of specialness that was already granted by being recognised unique for following the group's rules and projected ideals (more so in later stages) can be challenged in way of promoting distancing from the position previously acquired, if that does not correspond to the truth of this soul. The person could simply feel that it does not make sense anymore and search for other things that do.
If we take the example of a guitar musician from a famous alternative band, the challenges would come from (if the soul felt that need), trying to develop a musical career discovering and integrating other expressions of its own individuality, probably going solo, and not necessarily living a group lifestyle that no longer nurtures this person's creative, philosophical or emotional needs. This could come from the experience of starting a family and learning to balance that with career, or by leaving it all for a more simple/minimalist way of living. By being in a situation of spending more time home or alone, this person could discover a new talent writing its own poetry and songs. Progressively letting go of the more famous image to find an alternative individual lifestyle that complements both inner truth and career, and serves a life with more authenticity. The shift coming from an identity/authority exclusively acquired in the group's lifestyle by being a musician, to actual pleasure in music itself and sharing that talent, words and sounds to inspire others, possibly becoming an activist for cherished causes, and the recognition coming from that work.
Or the opposite could happen, and the street musician, on the margins of society and music industry seen quite suddenly becoming very famous for the authenticity, power and value of the songs and the inspiring effect on people. This person could be the true inspirer of many by passing a message of authenticity linked with not compromising its own true nature and having the courage to stand as a group of one. In both, the need to find personal truth from within and project it creatively by its own effort would represent the main evolutionary desire.
It is in this stage that great genius can come forward to advance society altogether. The soul is full of itself and completely detached from any social expectations. So this could be a soul in a position to serve society as a collective symbol of great ingenuity, talent and intelligence. A unique artist, scientist, politician or activist. Renown photographer and photojournalist Sebastião Salgado's life and work could fit well in this archetype, he himself with pluto in leo, opposite an aquarius sun, jupiter in leo, even not knowing his birth time or evolutionary state. It is also interesting to know that Salgado had an all completely different career/studies in economics until the age of 29.
In the spiritual state, there will be a natural capacity of inspiring/shining naturally, capable of constant teaching to whoever this soul meets, even if much humility and an honest to desire to serve instead of lead permeates the soul.
In any case there will be a great sense of responsibility for the role God chose for this soul and a willingness to follow so creatively. Not indoctrinating or imposing any teachings but opening the way for anyone that follows, to search instead for the truth within itself, following universal principles and laws.
It would be a living truth on to others or, probably in the second stage of the spiritual state, experience de danger of being so much intoxicated with itself as spiritual master, risking the projection of a great lie and the consequent disappointment/disillusionment of followers and other souls searching themselves for truth in their spiritual lives through a mentor type.
Here, the archetype of Leo would not translate a spiritual teacher that can go by in his or her own life, only devoted to inner contemplation or seclusion. There is a need for some dynamic interaction, to let all the knowledge it holds to come forward with great character, charisma and truly inspired communication.
It will be speaking a universal timeless language that anyone can understand at any evolutionary state, for it was learned from direct personal experience and effort, and it was surely a long way...
Thank you,
Helena
Hi, Helena.
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house within the evolutionary states. The examples of how the North Node in Leo in the 9th house will be expressed within each evolutionary state are very clear, and help illustrate the necessary evolutionary will take place relative to each evolutionary condition. Yes, the Soul will desire to actualize it's personal truth independent from man made laws, truths, and any view points or beliefs within an existing social group. The sense of special destiny is connected to self-actualization outside the influence of social rights, rights, etc. This may result in the stress, or tension, you have described in the context of the transition from the evolutionary past ( Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house) to the future (Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house, and North Node in Leo in the 9th house).
Relative to Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house, the special role or destiny (North Node in Leo) must be linked with "right work" that reflects the Soul's internal sense of ultimate meaning rather than defined through an external social role (Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house). In terms of your question about the Sun, in this example chart the Sun is planetary ruler of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. As such, it correlate to how the Soul will actualize, or develop, the North Node. Generally speaking, the Sun by house and sign locality in the natal chart correlates to the Soul's sense of special destiny and creative purpose in life. In essence, the Sun acts an integration function relative to the overall sense of life purpose and special destiny. Thank you for your contributions to this thread!
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva,
Looking forward to continue and follow everyone's posts!
All the best,
Helena
Hi Everyone,
North Node in the 9th house in Leo Continued:
Individual State:
The Soul now coming out of the Consensus state where they would desire to use the will power to actualize something of prominence in consensus reality linked with personal truth attached to organized religion will now want to break free from beliefs of Consensus reality to actualize its personal truth in an individualized way. The Soul in this state is learning to stand as a group of one and will be using the personal will to decondition and liberate from the consensus. The Soul will most likely do this through aligning with personal truth that empowers the Soul to stand outside of Consensus and at the same time encourages others to do the same. In this state you could see the Soul starting self empowerment groups that go outside on Consensus in some way that encourage others to validate there unique gifts and capacities.
The Spiritual State:
The Soul now coming from the Individual State where they were learning to stand as a group of one to actualize personal truth as being unique and different outside of consensus reality must now start to see themselves as part of the whole again. The Soul will be learning to share of itself and instead of seeing itself as separate from others and will be progressively coming to understand how it is the wave within the ocean that we are all connected in some way. Here in this state the soul will be learning to align the personal will with the will of the Creator or Divine Will of the Universe. By Aligning with the higher will of the Divine Mother the Soul will be progressively healing its sense of separateness from others and will be learning to share its personal truth. In this state the Soul will desire to share its personal truth with others in some way and will be progressively opening up to being directed by Universal Laws and truths of Natural Law. The Soul must become secure within itself to open up to ever expanding circles of connectedness and to share of itself in some way and this happens by cultivating a relationship with the Source in this way the Soul no longer over identifies with its past orientation of standing on its own and seeing itself as separate, south node in Aquarius or becomes to full of itself and is not able to validate others because of an over identification with the sense of special purpose,north node in Leo, by aligning with the Divine Will balance and true humility is achieved. In this State the Soul will most likely desire to start some sort of Spiritual Healing center to help others heal their own sense of separateness from Natural Spirituality. The Soul will desire to share with others their own journey back to the Natural God and self actualization could happen in this way.
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. The Soul has liberated from what It is not through the psychology of detachment, emotional disengagement and objectivity (Pluto in the 10th house/Virgo, South Node in Aquarius/3rd house). Now, the evolutionary need is to reengage the emotional body through actualizing personal truth (Pluto's polarity point in Pisces/4th house, North Node in Leo/9th house).
Namaste
Deva
North Node in Leo in the 9th House
With this planetary placement, over time, the soul will discover their truth through the creative actualization of any special destiny they feel is their path, and by sincerely paying attention to their heartfelt voice of intuition, that natural voice which will be the trusted guide on that special path. Along the way, the soul must try to exercise wisdom through detachment so they don't become overly infatuated with their own sense of greatness, thinking that their way of truth is the one and only. The full flowering of their special destiny and ever-deepening sense of wisdom will unfold over great lengths of time, and will be reflected in the evolving evolutionary states of the soul from life to life. The exercise of willpower to achieve their goals will have the effect of self-empowerment where any dependence on adulation from others will cease to be an emotional crutch. The sense of having something special to contribute to life does not always translate into a soul actually doing something with such a talent or gift. This sense of specialness is a message to the soul that Goddess wants them to do something on behalf of the whole, and the journey from wanting to be admired, loved and praised for their particular unique gift, to linking that gift to a social need, can have a few bumps along the way. The recognition of any unique gift must first be realized, and after that recognition, willpower and self-effort will be necessary to actualize any innate talent. Obtaining credentials, being open to learning through exposing oneself to others' belief systems and a willingness to adapt will go a long way towards the full flowering of an innate talent. Remembering that the 9th House likes to use humor to help life along a little, perhaps the NN in Leo in the 9th can learn to have a good laugh at itself as it remembers not to take itself too seriously along the way.
Over time, the security this soul desires can be realized by experiencing Truth for themselves, truths and natural laws that operate within the Creation outside of the opinions and ideas of others. The soul must exercise their personal will by actualizing any special role or talent they have. In other words, they will need to take charge of their own destiny. Because the Leo archetype can be so dependent on the adulation of others, there can be a lack of clarity and false sense of what is actually true and what is not regarding their sense of self-importance. Exercising an objective awareness of their role within the whole (PPP Pisces 4th House, SN Aquarius) will go a long way to realizing, from a practical point of view, their proper role in society (Pluto/Virgo/10th). That same objectivity combined with self-reflection can also help shine a light on any subconscious self-serving agendas they might have when offering advice, encouragement and help to others, others who may have sought them out for that special gift they have. To encourage others in their search for, and development of, their own personal innate talents, free of ulterior motives and self-serving justifications, is one of the greatest gifts such a soul can give.
Consensus
In the consensus state, the soul will actualize their special sense of destiny or purpose in whichever way mainstream society is defining truth, from a religious point of view, in any given place at any given time. Those ideas, philosophies and guiding priciples that are part of a superstructure of religious belief for the consensus will be the ones adopted and used by this soul, and the actualization of their special purpose will be in alignment with those socially accepted beliefs. From a practical point of view, a soul with this astrological signature can contribute meaningfully to their community and experience a sense of achievement by following traditional, socially accepted ways of giving back to society. For many in the west, this might include going to college and getting a degree in a chosen subject, thereby increasing their chances at employment or having credibility in starting their own business. For many societies, this way of doing things is a well-trodden path, and people continue to follow this path because it engenders a sense of acceptance and therefore security. For some, the idea of not following this time-tested way of doing things can be terrifying since it risks being on the receiving end of criticisms from family, society, friends, etc. (Pluto/Virgo/10th). So the soul with NN/Leo/9th will desire to actualize their special destiny within this relatively secure, socially accepted system. Increasingly in the west the concept of apprenticeships is rapidly gaining ground again after having gone out of fashion, and is a valuable way of transmitting knowledge and skills from teacher to student. This, also, is a time-honored tradition, and any innate talents someone may have can really come to fruition under the tutelage of a master craftsman, as an example. Apprenticeships are valuable methods of further learning and apply at all evolutionary levels.
Individuated
In the individuated state, the soul will feel the need to actualize their truth in ways that are different from, or outside of, the consensus reality belief systems. In many cases, there will be an outright rejection of anything representing mainstream belief as the soul is attempting to identify that which is unique and different in themselves. The sense of special destiny will be followed and guided by intuition, and they will need absolute freedom to go wherever that intuition is leading them. They will be open to considering ideas, systems of thought and knowledge from other cultures - those subjects considered taboo by mainstream society, as long as it coincides with the creative actualization of what they feel it is within themselves that is unique and special. In the earlier stages of the individuated state, some souls with this signature might be drawn to alternative lifestyles and beliefs but be afraid to act on those desires because they might feel insecure. This can potentially result in them feeling displaced and disconnected as they can no longer relate to the mainstream while at the same time feeling afraid of fully embracing the unknown they are attracted to. As evolution proceeds, these souls will be unafraid to creatively actualize their unique, special destinies and fully immerse themselves in belief systems and bodies of knowledge which are considered weird by society at large. Astrology would be a good example of this. Sometimes individuated souls with this astrological signature will adopt parts of numerous bodies of knowledge and fit them together into a system they feel comfortable with. These souls can be very inspirational to others and can help speed along the evolution of souls who are ready by encouraging them to find their own truth. They can help people gain confidence in themselves by example alone, by being comfortable and confident in their own differentness. In this way they can become teachers, and not just in a traditional sense, but by being who they are, independent, open and unafraid of the opinions and criticisms of others.
Spiritual
In the spiritual state, the soul will be fully aware of their role in cooperation with the Source in the creative actualization of their special destiny as it relates to, and is a part of, the Truth that is manifest throughout Creation - those Truths that are self-evident and apply everywhere and at all times. The soul's immersion in, and complete identification with, these Universal Truths will have the effect of attracting people who will be drawn to them for the teachings they have to impart. They will be consciously working on behalf of Goddess/Source to help any and all who come to them with genuine need. This will be a very natural process and the soul will be fully aware of their special destiny and how to cooperate in the unfolding and application of that gift in the context of humanity at large. These souls can help many, many people find their own Truth through encouragement and example. They will value independence and freedom as they continue to evolve in the ever expanding realizations of Truth.
Thanks, everyone, for your patience. DDD
Hi DDD,
Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. Your examples within the evolutionary states relative to the Soul evolving past the security of the socially accepted ways of creative actualization, and following a life path that reflects It's personal truth is very clear. Yes, in the Spiritual State creative actualization is linked with co-creation with Source, and service to others as a reflection of service to the Source.
Namaste,
Deva
North Node in the 9th house in Leo
Individuals with NN in 9th house Leo are integrating their brilliant mind with intuition, align their intelligence with their passion, so their natural talent/genius can reveal, the passion can naturally lead them to focus on their special purpose of this lifetime, to dig deeper of whatever knowledge system they are resonate with, and creatively actualize their special destiny in society/career. In other words, so many potential/possibilities indicated in SN 3rd house Aquarius, they will choose one special purpose as focus point and manifest that potential by integrating their mental intelligence with real experiences, take charge of their own destiny and take action for themselves, realize they are center of their earth life, and by living their truth, they do bring light to others, as a new way to be service (Pluto 10th house Virgo). They will also learn to play, take life as fun experiment, applying data/info/facts/theories they collect, to create something unique in their work field, embody their truth/value, their life itself can be inspiring and liberating for others. The universal truth when explained in language sometimes can be cliché or dogma, only when we understand deep layers of these teaching, and contemplate them, through time, the inner awakening/shift within consciousness can happen, then it has meaning and can truly expand our consciousness, individual with NN 9th house Leo will need walk this path, as they free themselves from other's opinions, they will be more clear of their inner truth, who they are, what's the best way for them to success, what role is meaningful for them, their energy will be concentrated on self-actualization, and their wisdom/talent/creativity will expand and be recognized by society. They are also developing confidence of their own truth, by connecting with intuition, trust inner knowing, when they take action based on their authentic self/value, they will shine and fulfill their special destiny in society, the sense of fulfillment again will enhance their confidence and trust their path. They can be important figure just the way they are, they will also give others attention and validation, encourage/teach others to do the same in an objective way. Ultimately NN 9th house Leo is really embody natural law, realize their role as co-creator, teach/guide others to the way of love, go back to source (PPP 4th house Pisces).
Consensus State
In this state, individuals can be skillful at many different things, they usually have high standard for themselves, but when they are working with passion in something they really enjoy doing, I feel that would bring this shift as being recognized, at this point, still depends if they trust this inner knowing of right path for them, regardless of how society validate this path. I wonder if it's possible, in this state, some souls are still preparing for future lifetime to actualize their special destiny, so they may practice their hobby in private life, not develop them fully into career. Also these individuals will usually experiences mentally shock (SN 3rd house Aquarius), in this state, naturally they will turn to religions or philosophy which are validated by mainstream society, they can find certain comfort, these more intuitive information can expand their consciousness, they will have a blurry sense that there is something more out there, if they can trust this inner knowing and explore it, they can trust this larger power and follow its direction to find their purpose. Also through certain religion teaching, they will learn to open their heart, accept/love themselves as who they naturally are, they can become more comfortable in their skins, and more inclusive for others as well, this will gradually dissolve their judgment and self-judgment, man-made guilt or feeling of lack, they will know they are entitled to pursue their life purpose, without restrain themselves in a safe mode. It's interesting to observe in certain culture, even just individuals birth region (3rd house SN: immediate environment), with this signature they may encounter some foreign believe systems, contrast to their beliefs that God or higher power are strict and show their authority by punishing people, but embrace a loving God that forgives and saves people from suffering"¦ then change the perspective of life from enduring/fulfill responsibility to pursuing happiness and fulfillment.
Individuated State
In this state, individuals will require freedom to explore personal truth, expand their consciousness either through higher education that align with their personal growth or through exploring other knowledge systems ahead of time/not yet accepted by mainstream, either way they are searching for a way of living to integrate their inner truth and social role. In this state, they will identify themselves as world citizens, as they actualize their special destiny, they will have influence to the world. For example they can manifest as teacher or healer who combines east and west wisdom/technic in their work, bring in-depth theories into their work field, create their own system and become authority of this system. They may engage with society in a detached way, cyclically need complete freedom to focus on their growth, creativity, and when they are ready, to share/interact with resonate groups/communities. When they learn to tune into their intuition, their inner voices can act as guidance, they will intuitively know when is good timing to move forward, and have a vision of future growth. In this way they can use their natural talent to actualize soul's desire in this life time. Their life/success will inspire mainstream, that everyone is special and creative in their own way, has the freedom to take charge of their own life. At end of Individuated state, they will start to realize that their creativity is from a larger source, they are agencies to materialize this creativity to serve the whole.
Another possibility is that they will challenge mainstream's value/belief system, regardless of pressure from others, they will align with like-minded individuals, to expose truth and stick with truth, encourage others detach from mainstream teaching, to think for themselves, and explore truth for themselves. Because they are living inner truth, their teaching can be very influential and magnetic, they may have the power to impact society to change.
Spiritual State
In this state, individuals are align with natural law, their special destiny is being service to the Source, and showing a way back to source, they will have an special/powerful aura, that others will naturally be drawn to them and their teaching. They will need great freedom to connect with nature, as a way to regenerate their energy. Because they are so tuned in with natural law and universal truth, their teaching is beyond just words or ideas, others will feel accepted and supported around them, and find their natural state of existence, also they can bring the light (Leo) to others shadow/trauma or aura, encourage them to develop their will power/inner wisdom, to be teacher/healer for themselves. With PPP in 4th house Pisces, I wonder if they are gradually dissolving their identity as a separate ego, dissolving the boundaries of time/space and structure of human brain, tune into a state as pure consciousness, in this way, they will feel everything/everyone are interconnected, and ultimately all connected with Source, experience the ultimate truth in an altered state. And they can translate this inner experiences into logic language, and communicate/share in different way so others can understand and resonate with (SN 3rd house Aquarius).
Thanks Deva and everyone.
Wei
Hi Wei,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house within the evolutionary states. Remember that the 9th house also reflects the beliefs within the mainstream society, not just religion. In a positive expression, the Soul could use the belief system within the mainstream, such as taught within a higher education system, to creatively actualize their special destiny. The key point within this is that as the Soul evolves within the evolutionary conditions, creative actualization will take hold in a such a way that "truth" becomes experiential, and gained through direct knowledge, rather than through a belief system. In this way, an alignment with Natural Law occurs, and delusive beliefs are purged from the Soul. Yes, in the Spiritual State this natal signature reflects the capacity to merge with the Source through fusion with Nature, and the natural laws therein, in such a way that the egocentric barrier within consciousness is dissolved (Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house, North Node in Leo in the 9th house). Thank you for your continued participation on this thread.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
Does anybody else intend to post? If so, please let me know an estimated time frame of when you will post. My suggestion is to move to the next step which is the planetary ruler of the North Node by Monday next week. Let me know if this is OK with the rest of the group. Thanks for the contributions to this thread!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Deva I am ready whenever you and everyone are...
Thank you
Heather
Hi Hi Deva and all,
Yes, I'm ready ...:)
Namaste,
Bárbara
Hi Deva, ready when you are. :)
Thanks Deva~~
And yes I am ready for next step.
Hi Deva,
me too, i'm ready to continue.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi All,
The next step of the EA paradigm is the planetary ruler of the North Node. In the chart we have been practicing with the North Node is in Leo. It's ruler is the Sun. Let's put the Sun in the 1st House. My suggestion is to review Pluto in Aries/1st house in order to gain a comprehensive understanding of the Mars, Aries/1st house archetype. Then, read this example and write out in your own words an analysis of the planetary ruler in the 1st house as it relates to our practice chart.
What is the primary archetype that will be used to develop, or actualize, the North Node in the 9th house? The planetary ruler in the 1st house symbolizes that self-discovery, the development of the independent voice, and initiation of action is the primary archetype through which the North Node in the 9th house is actualized by the Soul. In essence learning how to ask and answer the 9th House questions from within itself. Thus, it's own knowledge versus someone else's knowledge, belief, or opinion.
The Mars, Aries, 1st house archetype correlates to a brand new evolutionary cycle, and the need for freedom and independence in order to discover what this new cycle is about. This archetype reflects a continuous state of becoming which is universally experienced: the instinct to become. It is though the initiation of action that self-discovery takes place. In addition, learning occurs on an action/reaction basis. The analogy that is given to us by JWG to illustrate this point is a baby that touches a hot stove: the baby takes action, touching the stove, and the reaction to that touch, it's hot, correlates to the knowledge gained. This evolutionary need requires an essential freedom and independence in order to generate whatever experience is deemed necessary in order for self-discovery to take place. It is important to note that there is an instinctive anger towards any restriction of personal freedom.
The archetype of Aries, the 1st House, and Mars also symbolizes instincts. The new evolutionary cycle is put into motion through instinctual response to an immediate experience. In other words, we may be instinctively attracted to a new experience, person, opportunity, etc. Conversely, we may be instinctively repelled by any given life event. The key point within is that by honoring our instincts in both situations that self-discovery occurs.
Additionally, this archetype correlates to fear. Fear can have many causes, and may lead to a resistance towards initiating, acting upon, the necessary experiences that would lead to a new evolutionary cycle. If we make choices that are based on fear, and to only act upon what is known and familiar, the past is then recycled into the future. Conversely, if we act to break free from fear a new evolutionary cycle
is put into motion.
In the context of the development of the North Node in Leo the 9th house, the planetary ruler in the 1st house reflects that development of the independent voice, the ability to ask and answer ones ones questions from within, and maintaining an essential freedom and independence become the vehicles through which the Soul aligns with It's personal truth and Natural Law, and then actualizes this truth.
As the Soul initiates whatever experiences are deemed necessary a discovery of personal truth and Natural laws is put into action. The elimination of delusive beliefs can occur as the Soul realizes "truth" is based upon direct experience and knowledge,and not a product of the intellect or anybody else's view points, opinions., or beliefs. In a negative expression, the individual may act upon, and thus recycle, delusive beliefs. In this situation, the need to convince and convert becomes instinctual due to the emotional security that is linked with the beliefs. Creative actualization will reflect either an alignment with Natural Law and direct knowledge, or reflect delusive beliefs.
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, initiation of action, and development of the independent voice within the mainstream society will become a vehicle through which creative actualization of personal "truth" as defined the mainstream society and the culturally held beliefs therein can take place. (North Node in Leo in the 9th house, planetary ruler in the 1st house). The Soul will desire to initiate actions that allow progression through the social strata relative to the actualization of the "truth" has defined by the beliefs of the culture or society of birth.
For instance, as mentioned in the previous example of North Node in Leo in the 9th house, the individual may desire to gain a credential within higher education, and would then put into motion the necessary actions in order to gain the credential. The credential then provides a means to actualize within the mainstream in a new way (planetary ruler in the 1st house) that reflects the Soul's creative and intuitive capacitie (North Node in Leo in the 9th house), and leads to advancement within the social strata. Potentially, the credential in higher education could be used to help others get head within the system. A new evolutionary cycle would then be put into motion. Another possible expression of this within the Consensus State is the Soul learning to teach within a given field in a new way. A new method of teaching can then become a means for creative actualization to take place. However, some individuals may act upon, or recycle, the delusive belief that their lot in life is to just get by in any way they can, and creatively actualize in way that reflects this belief.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, initiation of action and the development of the independence voice within an alternative field will become vehicles through which actualization of personal "truth" independent from the mainstream society and the culturally held beliefs within it. The Soul will desire to initiate experiences that allow a discovery of personal truth and the actualization of that truth outside the influence of the mainstream and any social group of like mind. In this Evolutionary State, the individual will develop the capacity to ask and answer It's own questions from within, and in effect, learn to trust It's own intuitive knowledge verses someone else's opinion or belief.In so doing, personal truth can be actualized in a way that is free from the view points and opinions of anybody else.
A new evolutionary cycle can begin as the Soul actualizes It's personal truth that is based on knowledge derived from direct experience within an alternative field. For example, the Soul could teach philosophical or metaphysical principles that advocate direct, or hands on, experience of these principles as a primary teaching tool. Teaching in this way could then become a means for creative actualization. In this way, a new cycle of evolution can take hold. These individuals will encourage others to act upon the individuation impulse, and to actualize their personal truth independent from the mainstream society and culturally held beliefs within it.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, initiation of action and development of the independent voice occurs through actualization of personal truth as defined by Timeless, Natural principles that are universally experienced. The Soul will desire a high degree of personal freedom and independence in order to spiritually develop in whatever ways are deemed necessary outside the influence of any spiritual group, organization, or teacher.The individual will initiate actions that allow creative actualization of Natural Law as reflected in the manifested Creation.
In this evolutionary state, the Soul will spiritually develop through initiation of action that allow an alignment with Timeless, Universal principles through direct experience and knowledge of these principles These Souls will encourage others to spiritually develop through independent action, and through direct knowledge of Natural Laws as reflected in the manifested Creation. For example, the individual may desire to merge with the Source through Nature and the Naturals Laws within it. In so doing, a new evolutionary cycle can then take place as the Soul learns to trust It's own intuitive knowledge outside the influence of any spiritual teacher, organization, or group, and to creatively actualize in a way that reflects this knowledge.
Namaste,
Deva
The Sun as the planetary ruler of the NN in the 1st:
The Sun represents the will and the integrative factor in the birth chart. Being the planetary ruler of the NN this is the vehicular through which this soul is actualizing that NN and integrating the whole chart. So the way this soul is actualizing its special sense of destiny linked to a search for truth or a cosmology or construct through which it can interface with reality is very instinctual and self assertive. There's a lot of self-directed action that this soul is going to take in order to actualice its purpose which is gonna look very different depending on the evolutionary stage the soul is in. Regardless of the evolutionary stage this soul will need a lot of freedom and independence to initiate (cardinal archetype) a lot of actions (Aries) that can lead to the discovery and building of this new body of knowledge/truth/cosmology that leads the soul towards inner security that is not dependent upon the social role/status/assignment (P in Virgo) but that allows this NP to be expressed in a very different way, in a way that resonate with its own unique truth.
With this position of the PR the soul will feel very angry and even violence can ensue towards anything/anyone that is perceived as a limitation on its freedom to take action and to assert in a way towards the discovery of its own way/own truth about how to live life. The 9th house in a way also determines lifestyle... we make choices according to what we believe in and that determines our lifestyle.
There can exist the potential for an identity crises here that can lead to insecurity. This soul needs complete freedom to initiate actions that will help it align with its own truth or way of living and at the same time all this newness of action can create insecurity based on inconsistency. The soul can use the objectivity and diversity of thought that it brings with the SN in Aquarius in the 3rd in order to minimize this insecurity around identity (Sun in the 1st as the NNPR) and thus go explore with a lot of new thoughts/impulses what its true way/path/truth is in the world linked to its special sense of purpose or destiny to fulfill.
This is a very magnetic position of the Sun so the soul will attract all kinds of experiences/situations/people to help with this process.
This whole process will be done in a way that is perceived by others as rather self-absorbed and necessarily so. This soul needs to focus upon itself in order to move onto the next step.
Hi Barbara,
Thank you for your contributions to this thread. My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by including the evolutionary states, and also the dynamics of a new evolutionary cycle, and development of the independent voice, and self-discovery relative to the 1st house/Aries/Mars archetype. In essence, focus upon what actions the Soul will initiate in order to discover It's personal truth and creatively actualize that truth relative to evolutionary state.
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva,
Yes, I wanted to go first into the general and then onto the evolutionary stages. This soul will initiate all kinds of actions in order to discover its own truth and voice. Being a cardinal archetype, is a new cycle thus the actions will be rather impulsive, the soul is not fully conscious of a well formulated plan, it just feels that it has to initiate something in order to fulfill its special sense of destiny linked to finding its voice in regards of how it's going to interface with the reality that it lives in. The types of actions will vary depending of what evolutionary sage the soul is in.
Consensus: I feel that the soul will initiate all kinds of actions linked to either getting credentials in a specific field that it feels called to, or within a religious organization it resonates with, all done within the held beliefs or socio-culturally accepted consensus beliefs of the specific society. The soul will need absolute freedom to explore whatever field it feels called to align with, as it represents its voice and meaning around how to live within this society and how to fulfill its special sense of destiny. Anything that represents a perceived limitation to this independent exploration through taking action and asserting itself will be met with anger and frustration. The soul feels called to keep acting towards its new sense of purpose in a very visceral way. In this way this soul could become a teacher of whatever field it specialized in, or a religious leader This is a great position of the Sun for leadership. The danger here is to only use this to get ahead in life and become attached to this new role or status and to the security it brings which will then mean that the soul stayed within the realm of the SN recycling the past. The soul at this level is still rather dependent on external validation in order to feel assured in its path and this could be another way in which the soul remains stuck in the SN as opposed to moving to reconnecting with its emotional body and draw security from within by using this new energy that moves it to assert itself and take actions towards finding meaning within a field it feels called into. The intention is for this soul to move from the role identification towards a larger sense of meaning linked to finding its own voice/path within a specific field it resonates with, which helps anchoring the emotional body but the soul could go many ways in which it could just repeat the past. Another way in which it could go is in trying to convince others of adopting its way of life/knowledge/ as any other opinion could be perceived as threatening the inner security of the soul, not validating...
Individuated:
The types of actions the soul will initiate here will be more and more reflective of the uniqueness inherent within the soul regardless of the society it lives in. The soul may feel more alienated from the society it lives in within this stage as the actions it feels called to take may start to deviate quite a bit from its surroundings. At this stage the soul may feel blocked by the society it lives in if it can't cope with the limitations it perceives coming from them as they may frown upon to the unique voice and expression of this soul's truth. The soul may take the action to move away, travel, explore other cultures/views of life/philosophies/practices that resonate more with its inherent truth and synthesize a cosmology that reflects his own unique perspective and use this actualize its sense of purpose. In this way the soul may also take action towards aligning with others of like mind while becoming judgmental of the consensus it just left (particularly within the 2nd subdivision). At this stage the soul still needs external validation in order to feel secure and it will seek it out from those of like mind not from the consensus reality of any society. The danger here is for this soul to become so alienated that it fails to integrate its new sense of purpose linked to its inherent truth to the needs of the whole, this may cause blockage and frustration. Its sense of security now is more linked to being able to completely express his uniqueness in whatever way it is coming up for the soul but the soul but the soul must learn to bring the objectivity of that SN into this new impulse.
Spiritual:
The actions the soul will take here will start aligning with natural truth more and more until there's a total union with them/source. The soul will feel a visceral impulse to get closer to nature, to initiate natural ways of healing itself first so it can then heal and lead others. It may take the action to move to a place that resonates more with this new vibration and be around of others of like mind. At this juncture the soul is able to draw its inner security from within and emerge as an ethical leader of others, a healer (NN in Virgo in the 10th) Having healed itself (PPP in the 4th in Pisces coming from Virgo) it can now heal and lead others into the same. The cosmology it aligns with now is one of total connectedness with natural law and the soul feels fueled towards leading others into their own truths/paths/finding their own voices. Here the soul takes action to learn these natural truths from direct experience and will be able to lead others to do the same.
Hi Barbara,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of the planetary ruler of the North Node, the Sun in the 1st house. Yes, referring back to natal Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house and the South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house, part of the new cycle (Sun in the 1st house) is to creatively actualize in a way that reflects ethical and responsible leadership within any social position. AS you stated, the evolutionary need then becomes to detach from the status of the social position itself. In this way, an alignment with Natural Laws and principles and actualization of personal truth can take place. This reflects a new evolutionary cycle of becoming symbolized by the Sun in the 1st house in respect to the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. To clarify, the cardinal archetype correlates with the need to initiate change. Typically, this manifests as two steps forward and one step back relative to the insecurity of the change itself. The Mars, Aries, 1st House archetype symbolizes a brand new evolutionary cycle is underway.
Namaste,
Deva
NN/9th/Leo, Ruler Sun/1st
With the ruler of the NN/9th/Leo being in the first house, the soul will have the sense of having a special purpose to fulfill, and they will need absolute freedom in order to follow any impulses that they feel will lead them to self-discovery through action/reaction, that is, experience. The feeling of special purpose is linked to the fact that a new evolutionary cycle is underway and there is something unique and new that can be discovered about themselves. Through initiating action to develop their own voice of independence, they will find, actualize and integrate their own truth (NN/9th). Personal experience will be the teacher.
Because this special feeling is so instinctual, there is no forethought or plan and self-discovery comes from the reaction to any given experience. Potentially there will be a lack of tolerance towards anyone or anything who is felt to be restricting that self-discovery. The need to follow those instincts which might lead to the discovery of their inner truth (NN/9th) could create clashes and confrontations with others if the soul feels (mistakenly or not) that their life circumstances are preventing or getting in the way of that discovery. There could be eruptions of what might appear to others to be irrational anger. This anger may have been building for a while if the soul has been doing a slow burn because they feel their lifestyle has been restricting their growth. That anger will often be projected outward as others are blamed for preventing them from doing what they need to do, when in actual fact it may be fear of the unknown and the need to maintain security (the past) that has been preventing them from taking action.
The ongoing instinctual need to follow in any direction will not happen in predictable ways or timeframe. The spontaneous need to follow any impulse they deem necessary can also potentially create inner conflict where the need to maintain security can bump up against the need to keep moving forward in the search for truth. Fear can get in the way of self-discovery if old ways of doing things are repeated. It takes courage to be true to oneself in the face of insecurity, but it is exactly that which will lead to truth.
With the NN/9th/Leo ruler in the 1st, development of intuition has been, and is, one of the evolutionary requirements. By being courageous enough to follow their instincts and develop their voice of independence, the inner voice of intuition will become clearer. The soul is now learning to ask and answer its own questions, questions relative to life's fundamental, natural truths, those truths that cannot be answered through reading books and listening to opinions. Ultimately we all have to search for Truth within ourselves and the focus on those larger questions will often require relative solitude in order to follow those impulses wherever they lead. A necessary self-focus will be the result of the search for answers in this way, and anyone on this path can be accused of being selfish. Self-trust and an awareness of the legitimate needs of others will go a long way to helping keep the as-yet-unknown path smooth. The actualization and integration of that inner Truth will become stronger as the soul becomes more comfortable and secure with their own voice of authority.
In some cases, the need for security will be the underlying dynamic in some people clinging to delusive beliefs and living their reality through them. In these cases, over time, evolutionary pressure will come to bear so that any and all illusory beliefs will be exposed for what they are.
Consensus
In this stage of development the soul will desire the freedom to initiate, actualize and integrate their truth within the socially accepted means of mainstream society. Following the sense of special purpose will be in accordance with socially accepted ways of learning, teaching, contributing to society and generally getting ahead in life. As an example, a soul with this placement might have innovative ideas about how to teach underserved populations within society. They may become involved with a mainstream religious charitable organization whose purpose includes helping educate people in those populations. Any new and creative ways of educating people that are socially acceptable and prove to be successful can then be used in other places to help with the advancement of other underserved members of society. In this way, the discovery and actualization of truth will be in the context of a career that benefits others. In whatever ways they choose to actualize their truth within the context of mainstream belief, they will have to take responsibility for initiating action when they feel it is the right thing to do, and they also must pay attention to intuition and gut feeling when it is telling them to not do something or get involved with a particular person. The inner voice of authority will get stronger the more it is trusted.
Individuated
Individuated souls will desire to initiate action to find their own voice of truth and authority in alternative fields of life. Self-discovery for the individuated soul can take place in areas considered taboo or untrustworthy by mainstream society. However, they could be quite adventurous in treading paths that up to this point have been untested, because you never know what you might find and it just feels right to them. At this point they have broken free from the beliefs and socially accepted structures of consensus society and will follow the instinct to self-discover wherever it may take them. These are the people asking and answering their own questions and encouraging others to do the same. They recognize that there is something special and new about themselves that will be uncovered by acting on impulses and intuition they trust. Following their intuition will lead into areas feared by the mainstream, but with courage they can lead the way for others to follow. This actualization of their personal truth can take place in any field of endeavour, as an example the arts, medicine or science. Innovative concepts can lead to an expanded understanding of natural law which can change the way society has been relating to these things in the past. Some concepts can be ahead of their time and society will often move slowly in accepting new and unusual ways of doing things.
Spiritual
In the spiritual stage, absolute freedom to initiate action to align with timeless, universal truths will be necessary in order to cooperate with the evolutionary impulse to return to the Source. In following their sense of special purpose through the ongoing development and actualization of their independent voice, they will continue to experience an ever-increasing Reality where Truth is in alignment with Natural Law. These Truths will be integrated and actualized in any endeavour they choose. As an example, if they choose teaching as a way to help society, they can potentially have an impact on large portions of society as the power of Truth in their message can be mezmerizing to others. They can become living examples of honesty and fearlessness as it relates to the truths they experience. At this point in evolution, the soul will not be dependent on any external teacher or group of like-minded souls. They will enjoy direct experience of Truth and have complete trust in their own voice of authority and will give unconditionally from that fountain of Truth for the benefit and advancement of all.
In all the above examples, with due consideration to other factors in the chart, the potential exists for the soul to become saturated with a sense of their own importance and message of truth. (NN/9th/Leo/Sun/1st). As an example, one can imagine the leader of a megachurch having this placement. However, over evolutionary time, this dynamic can be transformed into one where truthfulness, openness and generosity to others can replace a sense of self-importance and giving with ulterior motives. DDD
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the Sun in 1st house relative to the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. You make a good point that modeling, or becoming a role model of, natural laws and principles can inspire others to do the same. This is a potential expression of the new cycle symbolized by the Sun in the 1st house.
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva!
Hi Deva,
i'm sorry i'm bit late here, i will be posting either later today or tomorrow.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Deva and All,
North node in 9th house, Ruler in the 1st house
This is a soul who's recent evolutionary path, in order to facilitate pluto in the 10th house virgo, has been integrating the Aquarius/Leo polarity.
Uranus in Scorpio/Sun in Sagittarius. Uranus in the 11th house/ Sun in the 1st house. Nodes in the 3rd/9th houses.
Clearly there is a theme in this signature showing a soul desiring to move forward with a new identity, a new and free sense of self, aligned with knowledge coming from experience not from any sense of social obligation or participation dictated by others.
With a sun in sagittarius in the first house, there will be an instinctive desire to act upon whatever it feels necessary to search for personal truth, and by being in an aries house, added focus is put on shifting/breaking with the past. And of doing it fast.
I keep getting the feeling that all this energy could be aligned with a signature of a dare devil. With the sun possibly squaring pluto, both in cardinal houses, the two steps forward one step back, magnifies insecurity and crisis. For one, the soul desires to break free, for the other all this freedom can make the soul feel insecure about the social position already acquired and the one that is getting itself into. That's why the dare devil sense - it might be necessary to get into dangerous, wild, chaotic situations to force the soul out of the 10th house self or group imposed restrictions, to engage in a path of self-discovery.
This situations are more likely to be confrontations of intellectual nature but they can also involve sports, competition, testing the physical or mental limits in some way. With pluto in virgo compulsion to keep busy, an ongoing life crisis can be created by a soul desiring to face limitations constantly and bravely, but at the same time, through fear, undermining and blocking itself.
Generally, this soul will have a brilliant mind, creative genius and invention capacities. It will have the talent to inspire, improve, heal and repair. Leadership and an inner sense of authority will come naturally, as well as a courageous instinctual personality, with very little patience"¦ Or even an authoritarian one. A need to be free of any attachments to be able to act on the special destiny or purpose is essential in this journey and can create problems in personal relationships, as these will feel restrictive to need for absolute freedom. It might reinforce isolation and standing as a group of one if necessary, or come from natural clashes between the person's will and the will of others.
With this sun position, what we can be also facing is a crisis in consciousness, of being or not able to accept that long term patterns, ideas, social position will have to change in face of the new discoveries the soul has been going, or getting itself instinctually into. Discoveries that show the soul what is or not part of natural law, and necessary choices coming with it. A crisis of integrating the old with the new, creative self-actualisation in spite of any fear to stand out from the group, or loss of social position. I remember a phrase i read recently from an important artist that stayed relatively unknown even though he is seen today as a great visionary genious, "I'm an artist in spite of myself", he himself an aries sun.
I think it applies here, even if we consider the strong leo energy and the need to shine, the real goal of this soul, its instinctual sun in the first house, is to create from the desire to create and not for absolute acclaim, to be a force for everything that is natural in itself to come through. Positively this will be a living example of the man or woman that lives in total harmony with itself, others, and nature with complete authenticity. Negatively, extreme force can be applied to repress anything and anyone that challenges long term ideas, "truths" and meaning giving a false sense of security to the soul, a narcissistic character. It is interesting to notice that in the first, it is already implied the integration of the 4th house pisces polarity point - faith and trust in the unknwon, trusting instincts and gut feelings that that is the way, even though the result is unclear. In the second, what we see is fear and imposed restrictions of not trusting the path of self-discovery.
In all evolutionary states, this is a person that tends to say what it thinks frankly and honestly without regard for other people opinions. Positively, honesty about personal ideas and views usually come forward and that can mean also to naturally expose others indiscretions and lies.
Consensus State
The soul tends to stand apart from the rest and seen as an example of great achievement, even if its own consciousness is limited by society's rules, dogmas, regulations, and the soul is trained and educated by mainstream thinking, there will be a need to excel in some way and to differentiate. It would be possible to be a pioneer in the field of choice, be it obtaining a degree that allows for a research career in a new area that was never tried by anyone; a winner in sports, develop the areas of nutrition, the arts, journalism, politics, were the soul can act and discover new methods, ideas, concepts, products that benefit consensus society at large and move it forward. Others might look for its expertise and teachings, inspired by this soul's free spirit.
Anger can develop when the soul perceives itself as being held in some way and can be projected upon others as the cause for this restrictions of not being able to actualise a sense of special destiny, and the consequent clashes and discussions that can come through, as the need to prove itself right.
Individuated State
Anger is more likely to be projected here, when the soul feels that the whole of society is "wrong" or simply limiting the actualisation of the soul's purpose, specially in the first stages. Action may be taken against groups and social or political organisations that restrict freedom for itself and others and violate natural law. The soul's consciousness is rooted in itself and its own truth. Regardless of what everyone else thinks, the soul will speak out, be an unusual voice in the society it lives in.
If work is done, this soul will turn first to itself, to re-discover itself from within, being that its main purpose. Eventually, the force of its will and truth touches others with a courageous act, a very unusual discovery, physical achievement, work of art, book, activism, that inspire others in ways that were never seen. Sexuality and gender equality can be at this state areas were this soul will invest greatly in actualising its purpose and be a force for social change aligned with natural laws. At the end of this road this is indeed a free soul that helped create a more free society.
Spiritual State
In the spiritual state, a great warrior for peace and freedom is certainly present.This soul can be a charismatic leader of a spiritual group or organisation that can talk to anyone, in any state, and be inspiring, understood, and understand, free and heal others. It might be clear to others that this is a soul who conquered many fears, doubts, insecurities, with faith, love and personal determination, acquiring the wisdom and truth that can now share with others. A unstoppable warrior that won't shy away from defending and exposing any threat to the violation of natural laws. A shining light unto the lives of others.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the planetary ruler of the North Node, the Sun in the 1st house. Yes, the need to initiate change and the insecurity it creates can manifest as the patterns you have described. You make a good point that the Soul has the capacity to stand apart as a "leader" within any group through initiation of new action, and acting as a role model.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ruler of the North Node in the 1st House:
First House Aries/Mars/Male/Fire/Cardinal:
The First House/ Aries archetype represents a brand new cycle of evolution has begun. This cycle represents energy from the center moving outwards and a need to initiate a new direction or pattern in behavior. The cardinal archetype represents the need for action to initiate change for continued growth and because the first house/Aries archetype represents a new cycle of being the Soul will typically feel the need/desire to initiate changes and then feel insecure with the changes made representing a two steps forward and one step backward action. The Aries archetype represents a perpetual sense of self discovery and continual state of becoming and the Soul will need absolute freedom and independence in order to act upon whatever desires and experiences are necessary for continued growth and self discovery. The Aries archetype represents a feeling of special destiny that is inherent to all the Fire signs... In the Aries archetype the sense of special destiny is yet to be discovered and is linked to the Soul discovery its true identity. This brand new cycle of evolution must be acted upon and due to the Soul naturally feeling security linked with the past ways of being this archetype can also represent the fears the Soul has with initiating these new changes and ways of being. The First/Aries archetype will desire and need a high degree of freedom and independence in order to discover the intrinsic identity. Aries operates instinctually and learns through action reaction types of situations. Because of the need for independence and freedom the first house/ Aries archetype can represent arrogance and self centered behavior as well as delusions of self importance and anger projected at anything or anyone who gets in the way of the independent self actualization process.
( Taken from Pluto and Your Karmic Mission by Deva Green)
The Soul now embarking upon a brand new cycle of creative self actualization represented by the ruler of the North Node being the Sun in the first house will naturally be desiring to initiate all kinds of actions for the purpose of self discovery. The Soul has now come to a point in its evolution where it has thrown off the past represented by Pluto in Virgo in the 10th South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd Ruler Uranus in the 11th, it has hopefully deconditioned from all that it is not, if it is not to recycle the past, and will now be rebuilding what it is, this cycle could now represent a crisis in identity. The Soul no longer identifying with its external role in society and moving towards the Pluto Polarity Point being Pisces in the 4th house with the intention of recovering its emotional center and sense of purpose in life with the North Node being in the 9th and the ruler of the North being the Sun in the first house will be completely re-identifying who it actually is and what it stands for. The Soul will naturally be initiating actions that lead it to Philosophically/Cosmologically/Spiritually understanding the self through a metamorphoses of past ways of intellectually organizing and understanding Reality. The Soul may have over identified with information/knowledge based on others opinions and identified with knowledge that was garnered through books, teachers, universities taking in lots of revolving types of information that could lead to a loss of perspective and true understanding. The Soul now comes to the point on the Path where it must come to know who it actually is from the inside out in alignment with Natural Law and this will lead to independent discovery of its true natural identity but how will the Soul now not recycle the past orientation to how it came to understand reality and life in general? I feel this has everything to do with the North Node being in Leo in the 9th House, if the Soul is to grow in a new way then it will be learning to rely completely on its own intuitional faculties and I feel this will happen through the ruler of the North Node the Sun being in the first house. The method of self discovery of the true and natural intrinsic identity in alignment withNatural Laws will happen as the Soul itself sends signals or messages to the Intuition and then through the ruler being in the first actions will be initiated or taken in regards to the intuitional signals, in this way the Soul will be learning to trust its intuition and this will happen the more the Soul actually makes the action to follow the intuition. The Soul will be learning it can trust in itself and its own individual path through this orientation to life. As the Soul grows in this new way of being it will come to know who it actually is as opposed to who it is not, which I feel is the complete intention here because the Soul will be learning a new way of being so that it can recover its own independent voice that is based on authenticity which would lead to a positive expression of being in a position of authority as a mentor or leader. This is where through the ruler of the North Node being the Sun in the first house the Soul is learning to become the changes, not talk about the changes or project onto others judgements about what others should change but to take action to become that which they want to actually see happen in themselves and others. To be the embodiment of the Fair Leader/ Role Model/Teacher/Mentor/ Spiritual Advisor in this way the Soul is learning to completely rely on itself in every way. In this way the Soul will be taking action to make something based in timeless universal principles and laws that it holds deep in its heart as their way of life/ their personal truth as their own and re-offer it up to others from a very authentic place of being and understanding. Life experience being the new way to lead or mentor where the Soul can share its own personal story as a form of testament ... In this way true teaching and leadership happens... I will write the stages out shortly...
Thank you Deva for continuing to teach us...
Heather
Thank you, Deva!
Hi Everyone,
North Node in the 9th in Leo Ruler of the North Node the Sun in the 1st Continued....
The Evolutionary States:
Consensus State:
In the Consensus actions taken for creative self actualization of the independent voice/ personal truth will be used to climb the social ladder and in a positive expression help others do the same.
In the Consensus State I feel the chances for the Soul to recycle the past are at it's greatest because the Consensus state is linked with the archetype of Saturn and Pluto in this example is in the 10th house. The Soul might be highly insecure to make changes outside of Consensus reality and norms. In this state if the Soul has not thrown off the past and is still operating from the past dynamics of Pluto in Virgo in the 10th with now adding on the new dynamics of the North Node in the 9th in Leo with its ruler the Sun in the 1st you can see a high likelihood of self importance and narcissism linked with the sense of special destiny of the North Node being in a Fire house and a Fire sign with the Ruler being the Sun in the first house. In this case then you might see someone in a high position of authority in education or as a religious leader of some sort who's personal truth may be attached to the status of their title and position of authority in a not so positive expression.
If the Soul has thrown off the past and is making the necessary changes then this positon would be a Soul who would want to improve upon consensus reality in some way using the Intuition to actualize independent voice and the creative process to improve some already existing educational system or religious establishment in consensus reality. The Soul will be learning to rely on their own intuition to take actions to become self reliant and secure in themselves enough to take on a positive role as a mentor or teacher to change consensus standards and to improve upon the system. The discovery of the true identity here would be linked with being able to stand as a cut above consensus standards in some way.
The Individual State:
In the Individual State Actions taken for the Creative Actualization of the Independent Voice/Personal Truth will be used to decondition and liberate from Consensus Reality and help others do the same.
In the Individual State the Soul will be connecting ever more so with it's intuition and relying on it to take actions to creatively actualize its own personal truth based on deconditioning and liberating from consensus. In this state the soul will probably be highly independent and may be rather self interested in there mission. The Soul here is throwing off everything and everyone in a sense and will feel it has some sort of special cause or special destiny linked with the rebellious nature of the Individual State. In a positive expression the Soul will be creating/inventing/discovering new and alternative systems linked possibly with alternative education, healing or spirituality outside of consensus reality. In this State the Soul will most likely desire to be around or help others of like mind who are deconditioning from Consensus reality as well. The could actualize the independent voice linked with the Intuitive Faculty and Natural Laws by taking actions to become a positive expression of a role model/teacher outside of consensus reality standing up for others who are different/ individualistic in some way. The discovery of the true identity in this state would come through not identifying with anything that is not completely authentic from the inside out.
The Spiritual State:
In the Spiritual State actions taken for creative actualization of the independent voice/persona truth will be used to align back with Natural Law/Natural Spirituality and help others do the same.
In this state the Soul will most likely will be highly independent and necessarily so because the Independent voice and Creative Actualization process of Personal truth based in Natural Laws is linked solely to the Intuitive Faculties and so there would need to be complete freedom here to explore this new way of being... The Soul in this state will be initiating actions based on the intuitive signals it receives to gain a deeper connection with Natural Timeless Universal Laws and Principles. In this state the Soul will be learning to trust in itself and its individual path through the Intuition and will be learning the trust in itself and be completely independent the more it makes actions based on what the Intuition is intimating. In this way the Soul will follow the Intuition back to discovering its true and natural identity based in Natural Law. The Soul will most likely desire to physically unite in some way with these natural universal laws and principles in this state and to become the embodiment of such laws to come back into its own natural spirituality in connection with the Creator. In doing so the Soul will naturally desire to help others do the same by becoming that which is its natural truth and by allowing its life experiences its personal truth to be the mentor/teacher/ spiritual advisor... The discovery of personal identity here would be by completely becoming all that it is through Spirit...
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the Sun in the 1st house relative to actualization of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. Yes, the need to initiate a new cycle (Sun in the 1st house), that is based upon creative actualization of personal truth, honesty, and Natural Laws is a reflection of evolutionary future (North Node in Leo in the 9th house). This may create insecurity relative to the past in the ways you have described (Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house).
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
If anybody else intends to post please let me know an approximate time frame. My suggestion is to move to the next step of the Practice Thread by Wednesday next week. Let me know if this sounds OK to the rest of the group.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and all, I am ready for the next step. Thank you for this valuable thread.
Hi Everyone,
Deva I'm ready whenever you and everyone are... Thank you for continuing to teach us here...
Heather
Hi Deva,
thank you, yes i'm ready to continue.
All the Best,
Helena
Ready to continue!!
Blessings to all
North Node in the 9th house Leo, Ruler Sun in the 1st house
NN 9th house Leo actualizing itself through its ruler Sun in the 1st house. The Sun is the current life integration point for the entire evolutionary paradigm in each chart. It gives it purpose, meaning, and the way of ACTUALIZING those intentions. (EA Glossary) With NN in 9th house Leo, and Ruler Sun in the 1st house, individual will demand high level of freedom to explore a new way to actualize its purpose, they will have inner knowing of special destiny, there is something new to be discovered, this special destiny correlates to starting a new evolutionary cycle which reflect 9th house Leo theme: creative self-actualization aligning with one's truth and natural law. Because of this special destiny, individual will need to shift to a more self-centered state to focus on its own path, there would be anxiety of separation from herd, they need to generate will power/self-confident/courage of following their authentic path through confronting mainstream value, trust their intuition/their truth when criticized by mainstream as selfish, liberating from man-made guilt, the need to atone and any kind of suppression/restriction. They will feel the pull of future direction (NN), when they trust this inner knowing, even without knowing what exactly is the path or where does it lead to, just embrace continuous state of becoming, they will be naturally attract to supportive people/environment that give them high level freedom, which allows the path/future unfold, they will gradually know/see more clearly of this special destiny, and that reinforce the trust/will power/confident. They will also have very magnetic vibration, when they are following the right path, they will be recognized as special or as leader, and others will follow their teaching/be inspired by their journey. When they are pulled by the past out of fear, they may experience limitation and project anger to others, seeing others as the source of limitation, or demand others to support/being service to their special purpose, without recognizing that they should initiate the change, the new path, and take responsibility/charge of their life.
Consensus State
Individual in this state will develop new self-identity through initiate new way of self-actualization, which can distinguish their role in society from others, they need to trust their instinct can lead to a meaningful experiences, react to the instinctive desire constantly to create something new in their own way, through this creating experiences, action and reaction from others, they can continually expand and renew their identity, become more aware of their special purpose/talent. In consensus state, they will self-actualize in mainstream system, they may initiate the path of being independent, develop their own authority, become leader in their work area. They can be leaders fight for what they believe, or pioneers discover/develop new theory and idea in their career. In 3rd stage of Consensus State, the healthy expression would be passionate leaders have a vision of ideal society, which embrace certain level of freedom, value and encourage individuals in society to be creative, absorb certain foreign ideas that can be integrated into society, and be a service to this collective purpose/new vision. They will face pressure and fears relative to what's crystallized (past and known), and need to grow/expand to the unknown (future), their career or relationships need to reflect who they are becoming at any giving moment. In consensus state, the resistance/fear can be extreme. They may keep choose the "new" direction actually reflect the past which won't move forward, and finally exhaust the desire to hold to past, then develop the courage to take the risk to embrace the new evolutionary cycle. This archetype also reminds me of liberals in any society or political parties that in power, they can challenge outdated system and initiate the change according to the needs of times.
Individuated States
As Individuals develop NN future oriented identity, they will demand high level of freedom, in this state, they will constantly evolve beyond any relationship or environment that related to past which restrain the individuation. Their Individuality and the process of individuation are defined and reshaped by the inner knowing of a special destiny and the desire to actualize it-the purpose of current life. They will become very independent, learn to be their own teacher, think for themselves and encourage others to do the same, they will also develop confident of their beliefs to challenge the mainstream, they need to be assertive, express their truth, even experience confrontation in order to develop a center of their belief system, a more integrated identity, and inner knowing which path is right for them, when and what action is relative to their special purpose. They may become a world traveler always initiate adventure searching for personal truth, and discover places/culture/environment where they feel empowered (1st house Sun) and nurtured (PPP 4th house Pisces). The challenge is whatever truth once crystalized, they will need to evolve/expand beyond the known again, when they can naturally embrace the unknown, and constant change, they can always flow to where they need to be, and break free layer after layer of conditions, whatever their talent or purpose is, can also be expand to different culture/group of people. In this way they are recognized and influential but fundamentally free, their identity won't be attached to a social role or fixed on what they know/believe in, because change is the only constant in life. When they live their own truth, their teaching can inspire and accelerate other's individuation process, they can intuitively know what part in others need to be liberated, and very persuasive in their teaching, awaken the courage and creativity in others.
Spiritual State
Souls in this state are highly aligned with natural law and their inner rhythm as a cosmic being. Their special destiny or creativity will correlate to being service to GOD, they can feel like the chosen one to communicate/teach natural law, universal truth to human being, their instinct desire is to know GOD through themselves and their experiences, the intuition is whisper from the source lead them to truth. They may initiate spiritual practice that can eventually decondition from human brain's restrictions of knowing totality of truth, and then teach/communicate this truth in timeless language to all level of consciousness, to transcend the reality. Souls in this state also have powerful vibration and will power, others will naturally be drawn to them or their teaching, and feel empowered by their message, in other words, their work can help others initiate their journey to know the truth, to know GOD, to live align with natural law.
Thank you Deva and everyone for your patience, I am very grateful for this learning experience.
Wei
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the Sun in the 1st house relative to the North Node in Leo in the 9th house. Yes, the Sun in the 1st house symbolizes the ability to continue to "move forwards" in new ways in any evolutionary condition which then becomes a vehicle through which the Soul actualizes It's personal truth (Sun in the 1st house, North Node in Leo in the 9th house).
Hi All,
The next step of the practice thread is to add the sign of the planetary ruler of the North Node. In our example chart the planetary ruler of the North Node in Leo in the 9th house is the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house. The sign conditions the expression of the house. How does the sign of Sagittarius condition the expression of the Sun in the 1st house? It re-iterates the theme of discovery of personal truth, alignment with Natural Law, and elimination of delusive beliefs. Self-discovery, development of the independent voice, and a new evolutionary cycle are linked with alignment with personal truth and Natural Law, personal honesty, and elimination of all delusive beliefs. In essence, a new evolutionary cycle is put into motion as the Soul becomes self- honest, discovers It's personal truth, and aligns with Natural Laws as reflected in the manifested Creation. In so doing, all forms of dishonesty and delusive beliefs will be purged.
There is a vast difference between a "belief" and Natural Laws which are based upon principles that are self-evident within Nature and reflected in the manifested Creation. Natural Laws reflect actual knowledge, or truth, of something and does require a belief. As mentioned previously to illustrate this point, I do not need a belief to know that the sky is blue, I simply know it to be true. The key point within this is that the truth inherently exists in and of itself, and is not a product of intellect or belief. The Jupiter, Sagittarius, 9th house archetype correlates to the intuition. The intuitive component within consciousness knows what it knows without necessary knowing how it knows it.
In the context of the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house, the Soul will require freedom and independence in order to discover It's personal truth from within. The evolutionary need is to ask and answer the 9th house questions, what is "truth," from within oneself. The Soul will initiate actions through which discovery of personal truth and alignment with Natural Law can take place. In this way, the individual can become their own teacher through the knowledge gained from direct experience instead of a belief. A new evolutionary cycle can begin as the individual acts upon the knowledge of Natural Laws as reflected in the manifested Creation. The sense of special destiny and creative actualization will be linked the new evolutionary cycle and discovery of personal truth (North Node in Leo in the 9th house, planetary ruler, the Sun, in Sagittarius in the 1st house). Conversely, the individual may act to recycle delusive beliefs of the past, and convince and convert others due to the emotional security that is derived from these beliefs.
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, this will manifest as development of the independent voice, and initiation of action relative to the discovery of personal truth as defined by the beliefs within the mainstream society. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will desire to advance within society through developing an independent voice within the mainstream that reflects It's personal truth. This can then become a vehicle for creative actualization to take place (Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house, North Node in Leo in the 9th house). For instance, the individual could become certified within a given field, and then put into motion a new way of teaching the beliefs within the mainstream. This then allows progression within the social strata to take hold. However, some individuals will recycle delusive beliefs and their "lot in life," and creatively actualize in a way that reflects those beliefs.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, this will manifest as the development of an independent voice with within an alternative field, discovery of personal truth as defined outside the beliefs of the mainstream society. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will desire to initiate actions in which liberation from the beliefs within the mainstream can take place. The individual will need freedom and independence in order to discover from within their personal truth outside the viewpoints and beliefs of any social group, and creatively actualize that truth. In so doing, a new cycle of evolutionary becoming that is based upon self-honesty, alignment with Natural Law, and actualization of special gifts within an alternative field can take hold. (Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house, North Node in Leo in the 9th house). For example, the Soul could teach metaphysical or philosophical principles through direct experience and knowledge of these principles. This could then become a vehicle for creative actualization of personal truth within an alternative field to occur in a new way.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, this will manifest as development of the independent voice through union with the Source, and initiation of actions in which alignment with Natural Laws and principles as reflected in the manifested Creation can take place. In this evolutionary state, personal truth will be defined by Universal, Timeless principles that are applicable regardless of the passage of time. A new evolutionary cycle that is based upon direct knowledge and experience of these principles, and creative actualization that reflects Natural Law can be put into motion. For instance, the individual could teach knowledge of universal laws and principles in a new way that is based upon direct experience. Nature, and the natural laws therein, can become a primary teacher. In this way, spiritual development can take place outside the influence of any spiritual community or organization which reflects a new cycle of becoming (Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house, North Node in Leo in the 9th house).
Please write out in your own words how the sign of Sagittarius will condition the expression of the Sun in the 1st house relative to Evolutionary State.
Namaste,
Deva
Sun/1st/Sagittarius/ruler of NN/9th/Leo:
The way Sagittarius condition this sun is by giving this already very impulsive and action-taking sun an inherently restless nature that will lead this soul to taking loads of actions in order to discover its own truth, its own way in life. Many of the actions taken will come from a more intuitive place where the soul just knows that it needs to take those actions without really knowing how it knows it, thus developing the intuitive side. With Sagittarius here the need for ultimate freedom to discover and explore is emphasized to the max, while minimizing the impact of insecurity derived from too many new initiated actions that give the "1 step forward, 2 steps back" typical of the 1st house archetype. Sagittarius will provide a lot of optimism and a happy go lucky attitude to this impulse to take action in order to find the way the truth/the belief system/the cosmology through which this soul will interface with its reality.
Sagittarius here being the ruler of that 9th NN in Leo will emphasize the need to discover its own unique way of self-expression, its own unique way of fulfilling that special destiny through the search, the seeking, the research and exploration of whatever that soul links this special destiny to in terms of that which gives it meaning, this will take different expressions depending on the evolutionary stage.
Since Sagittarius is a mutable archetype the soul may initiate a varied type of actions and will be have more fluidity to change course if necessary. The path blazer quality of Aries gets the versatility of Sagittarius added to it making it adaptable.
Consensus stage:
The soul will explore and research through a lot of actions whatever holds its interest within the consensus held beliefs of the society it lives in while remaining somewhat open to other cultures, Sagittarius gives a certain look to farther horizons even within this stage, even if it is only in terms of vacation destination.
The soul may do research and learning within a specific career through higher education, a religious organization, where once learnt the soul can teach it to others adding its own special flavor to it. This entire way of interfacing with its reality will give the soul the platform out of which it will base its inner security with the danger that it can now use this just to get ahead in society, to get stuck to the role or status which will keep it in the natal Pluto/10th/Virgo.
Whatever the soul has linked its belief system to, it will defend it and try to convert others into them as anything that attacks it from the outside could represent an attack to the new won inner security leading to the need to convince and convert others.
If these dynamics are not positively express and the soul gets too attached to finding and holding onto a certain belief system that provides the meaning used to interact and understand its reality that leads to inner security, then the soul can fall for all kinds of emotional dishonesty and manipulation in order to either attain it or maintain it once attained.
Individuated:
The soul starts now separating from the status quo of the consensus reality and the horizons that it looks towards now become wider and further away.
The souls will initiate a lot of actions in order to explore and discover it's own personal and unique way to understand reality. It may travel and move a lot while taking bits and pieces of this and that culture that will lead to its own unique synthesis of that which gives it meaning and understanding of what it means to live in the world and its own truth.
The soul may start aligning with more alternative sectors of any society it may end up in, not truly belonging to any fully. With the need for change and the versatility of that sun in Sagittarius the soul adapts and reinvents itself as many tines as it may be necessary in order to find its own unique way in which to fulfill its special purpose. It can become very iconoclastic and serve as an example of freedom and individuality to others. There will be an increasing adjustment towards personal honesty within this stage, the intuition and the capacity to see the whole picture increase as the soul develops more of the right brain attributes. The soul at this stage may still become attached to an avant garde way of living/truth/cosmology, or attached to continuos change/moving that gives it inner security in the form of a false sense of freedom (I'm not attached to any society/ the gypsy type always on the move that fears being absorbed by grouping definition) while attacking the consensus it can't belong to anymore, more so in the second subdivision. It may show up as a rejection of its country of origin, of the family it came from, religion of any kind. The key here for the soul is to find internal liberation as opposed to continuously defining itself by rebelling against the consensus belief systems or anything that perceives as limiting or constraining.
Spiritual Stage:
Here the actions taken by the soul will very much aligned with natural law, Sagittarius being the daemon archetype will emphasize the movement and true inner alignment towards natural/universal law and source. The freedom the soul seeks is not internalized, arising from its connection to the divine and nature. The soul will embody that which is observed as truth in terms of universal truth that is not attached to belief, it's true because it is whether one believes in it or not. The soul will be have a heightened sense of intuition and the capacity to see through past form and construct. It can become a model for others to tune into natural truth/universal truths and live accordingly. The soul may be drawn to living in very close proximity to natural settings at this stage but never attaching its inner freedom to anything external of itself. His inner work has been done , his inner truth being realized, his inner security stemming from source it can teach and lead others into the same without having to convince, convert, or even fear the consensus. Depending of which subdivision the soul is in these will manifest in ever more positive expressions.
Hi Barbara,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house. Yes, it symbolizes that the Soul will desire to keep moving forwards in regards to the discovery of personal truth, and will not want to feel limited to generate the necessary experiences to do so.
Namaste
Deva
Thank you Deva!
Namaste
Hi Everyone,
North Node in Leo in the 9th House Ruler the Sun in Sag in the First House:
Once again we are back at the point of discovery of personal truth the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth...
We have already discussed the Sagittarius archetype in depth with the North Node being in the 9th house so what does this mean now that the Sun is in the sign Sagittarius in the 1st?
At first glance its almost like the future is wide open for this Soul with the North Node in the 9th in Leo and the Ruler the Sun in Sagittarius in the First house but now a clearer picture is emerging that the future is open depending on how the Soul is evolving and throwing off the past. The Sun in Sagittarius will want unchecked expression to discovering personal truth and to creatively actualize its personal truth but this Soul is learning what personal truth is as this is a new cycle of becoming Ruler of the North Node in the first and as I see it this will be the creative actualization process in itself. Here you can feel that there really is no end point no firm establishing of self and while this may be true for all Souls in some way or another as we are all in a continual state of self discovery this is extremely enhanced or highlighted with these signatures in this chart. How is this all going to play out or be actualized has a lot to do with the past and the present chart. You can see that the past is pulled forward here with Uranus in Scorpio the Ruler of the South Node being a Natural Square to the North Node in Leo in the 9th. If you look at it in that light then you can see that once again deconditioning from past patterns related to Pluto in the 10th is being brought forward,this Soul is still working on a metamorphoses of the evolving Ego Centric structures Uranus in Scorpio in a Natural Square to the North and South Nodes. This to me symbolizes that even if the Soul desires uninhibited and unchecked expression to discovery of personal truth and the actualization of that truth that in reality it is going to come up against many Limitations. The limitations will be based on many things one being a metamorphosis of limitations that the Soul needs to change for continual growth based on the past Ego centric structures as well as now the current Ego centric structure. The Soul will also being learning a critical lesson in Limitations things the Soul can not change based on Reality. I see this signature as one where the Soul is learning deep lessons around true Humility.
Now shifting our focus to the Sun being in Sag in the 1st in a Natural Square to Pluto in Virgo in the 10th and to Pluto's polarity point being in Pisces in the 4th this brings the theme of Humility right to the fore front as well as themes revolving around Reality, Personal Truth, Personal Honesty, Self Improvement and in embracing these would then lead to the actualization of Pluto's polarity point being in Pisces in the 4th house, actualization of a Sense of Purpose if the metamorphosis takes place but only and until then.
How this will be accomplished will be through the Sun in Sag in the first house. The desire to take action, the natural instincts and intuition that are all combined here will lead the Soul to the discovery of the truth the whole truth and Nothing but the whole truth which will be a life long journey one that is ever evolving and expanding with no real end point as I see this as not being established in an end point and even more so in the Individual and Spiritual States especially. In this life the Soul will be metamorphosing the Ego Centric structures to come to know and embrace its own personal truth independent of others through a lot of trial and error stop and go sort of energy. The lessons of what is real and true will be based on dissolving all delusive beliefs and will happen as the Intuition and Instincts lead the Soul to take an action and the action itself will lead to the truth of why the Soul felt an instinctual and intuitional need to take the action in the first place. The Soul will be learning about its own personal truth through Feed Back from the environment that it receives. This is not exactly calculated or known its just a feeling or need to take an action based on the intuition and instincts. The feed back itself is paramount to the discovery of personal truth as the Soul will be learning that yes the intuition and instincts are guiding it ever forward but the understanding of personal truth comes through evaluating the feedback deeply. Sometimes the Soul is going to be way off in its assessment of the Intuitional signals and sometimes its going to be right on but in all cases the Soul is learning how it can hone in on its internal compass and how to read it correctly and this happens through the feed back the soul receives from acknowledging the instincts and intuition to take the action in the first place. This is a life of complete trial and error and purging of all delusive beliefs through this orientation to life. Of course this all revolves around whether the Soul has courage enough to take the initiative to make the action and then for them to honestly asses the feedback they receive and this ability will be more positively expressed the more evolved the Soul is.
I will write the Evolutionary Stages Shortly...
Thank You,
Heather
Ruler of NN/9th - Sun/1st/Sag
This individual is a naturally restless person who feels compelled to keep moving, driven by intuition and instinct to follow and discover their own truth through personal experience. There will be a feeling of having a special purpose in life, and that feeling is linked to the fact that a new cycle has started in the recent past. The need to creatively actualize, make real, and integrate their inner, naturally found truth through personal experience will not only be a matter of conscious choice, but of driving imperative. They will feel the need to develop their own, independent voice and must find courage to do just that. Their life journey will be one where alignment with natural law and the purging of delusive beliefs will be central themes. The restlessness and need to find and actualize their truth can lead to all kinds of adventures in self-discovery. Travel (including internal travel) to anywhere their intuition or gut feeling tells them to go will be a natural part of that discovery process. Included in this could be a natural curiosity about meeting people of different cultures, experiencing first hand their own, different lifestyles and belief systems, seeing how they work and function as individuals and together within their communities. Through exposing themselves to any and all cultures they feel attracted to, they can learn about themselves and how they are the same as, or different than, those people they meet, and how the belief systems and psychology of different cultures create their reality.
The symbolism in this placement points to the need for the individual to ask and answer life's larger questions on their own, free of the opinions and ideas of others. Their direction will be guided by intuition, and following that intuition with courage will help the individual gain more confidence and internal security. In effect, they will become their own teacher through personal experience - trusting and following their intuition no matter where it leads or what other people think. The intuition will become ever stronger the more it is used and a secure, internal center of gravity will help the individual find and accept what is unique about themselves. This in turn can help them find right work and integrate their unique individuality in society as a fully functioning, mature adult.
The need to experience life on their own terms can create problems in relationships where commitments and other peoples' needs can be experienced as holding them back from following their special destiny in life. If honesty about their need for freedom is not expressed up front before getting involved in intimate relationships, they can be accused of being selfish in feeling and believing their own needs are more important than the needs of others. And there might be some truth in that. If the individual has not been entirely honest about their need for freedom either with themselves or others, guilt will be the result. If this dishonest way of relating to themselves and others continues, such guilt can build up over lifetimes (Pluto 10th/Virgo) until reflection on their own behavior results in an adjustment where absolute honesty with themselves and others will help bring more balance into relationships. Keeping in mind the more light-hearted nature of Sag, tense situations in relationships can instantly vaporize (at least temporarily) if one of those involved suddently sees the funny side of things.
Taking into consideration other factors in the chart, there is the possibility that this individual will be unwilling to make a commitment to a single philosophical system, instead taking parts of different systems they feel comfortable with to arrive at a belief structure of their own making, and even then, that new belief system will evolve and change as they feel necessary. However, if they do find a philosphy that resonates with them, they might attempt to convert others to their point of view in order to feel secure, and in so doing run the risk of confrontation and criticism. If this happens, reflection on why this is happening will help them make an internal adjustment so evolution can proceed.
Consensus
The discovery, development and integration of their own independent voice of personal truth will be in alignment with the consensus belief system of whichever community or country they live in. Within that socially accepted lifestyle and ways of doing things, they must learn to take action to realize their goals whatever they may be. In following intuitively-led impulses, they can discover their own truth through the experience gained. As an example, they might have a desire to work in a job where international travel and interaction with local communities is necessary. This type of work will guarantee exposure to foreign cultures, lifestyles and belief systems. By interacting with different cultures in this way, with the right attitude their own growth will be accelerated. Whatever their chosen sphere of work or career, ideally it should guarantee a lot of freedom so they don't get bored. With a keen analytical mind and forward-thinking ideas, they might discover new ways and systems of doing things that can benefit others. Whatever they do, a commitment to integrity and honesty must be maintained as they advance within their chosen career and in turn, society at large. With this astrological signature some souls will not be bothered trying to get ahead, feeling that there is no point since they will end up dying anyway. They may even wander from place to place doing any old job just to get by.
Individuated
In the individuated state there will be a progressively stronger urge to find their independent voice within alternative fields of endeavor outside of the beliefs of mainstream society. Their need to decondition from consensus society, its beliefs and ways of doing things will lead to the exploration and growing alignment with natural law within themselves through personal experience. Through the development of, and trust in, an independent voice of truth, their sense of internal security will also become stronger. Through the self-generated discovery, development and integration of whatever special and unique gifts and talents they have, they can help to break new ground by bringing their unique ideas to full actualization. An example of this might be a research scientist whose intuition leads her to new insights relative to how natural law is expressing itself in certain fields of parapsychology. This in turn could lead to the establishment of new understandings relative to the human mind. Such a breakthrough presupposes that the scientist has the freedom and financial backing to work in an unhibited way to even explore these things. A person in this situation might have to search far and wide to find people with open minds themselves in order to get funding for such research. Some ideas, lines of research or inventions might be considered to weird or ahead of their time, even though they reflect truth and natural law. In this case, they might find their home in the future when society at large finally catches up through evolution.
Spiritual
As with the other evolutionary states, this individual will require absolute freedom to continue to discover and develop their independent voice and personal truth without inhibition. In this case, personal truth will reflect an alignment with timeless, universal principles and natural law as they experience the Source on a personal level. They can become powerful teachers of universal truths through the expression of that which they are experiencing themselves. They may have new and uniques ways of expressing these timeless principles, and they can be of service to many people in encouraging them to find their own, inner Truth. They might choose to live their lives in relative solitude in order to deepen their connection to the Source without distraction. Whatever they choose, they will be consciously cooperating with the evolutionary imperative of self-discovery in full awareness of their inner one-ness with the Source. DDD
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of E.A! Yes, the double fire signature emphasizes the need for freedom and independence which must be communicated honesty prior to initiating relationships with others (Sun in Sagittarius, North Node in the 9th house). The ability to break new ground based upon intuitive knowledge and Natural Law is symbolized by the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and All,
it took me a while to finish this segment (it was so far the most challenging for me).
Thank you for your time and patience to listen and to teach!
NN Ruler Sun in Sagittarius 1st house
When i first started to write this segment about how Sagittarius can condition de expression of the Sun in the first house, i found myself with some hours of working on it, a text with all i could learn/think/feel about it, but at the same time a sense of dissatisfaction. This is after all understanding the sagittarius archetype and the strongest feeling i had about what i had written was that something was missing, i had not understood, assimilated, this expression.
In the original first draft i started with this thought, or bottom line, that with Sagittarius conditioning the expression of the Sun in the 1st house, any action the soul desires to take will be conditioned by its own beliefs. Or, to better put it, as this is truth for any of us, the original insecurity manifesting from the cardinal archetype is experienced by the inner tension of confronting old beliefs with the evolutionary need to pursue and act on new ones, in alignment with natural law and personal authenticity, or truth.
I had explored how this can portray conflicts around other's beliefs system vs discovery of personal knowledge that comes out of experience, the intense need of liberation and freedom to explore a greater meaning for life and existence, the effect of past unconscious memories and beliefs conditioning present instinctual responses (SN 3rd Aquarius) potentially turning the soul away from its center (PPP 4th), the expression of anger and impatience resulting in breakdown of old relationships, to a consequence of naturally forming new ones throughout the process of creative self-actualisation.
It was only when i decided to explore something else that caught my attention in the sagittarius part of the EA glossary - its correlation to dynamic of Compensation - that all made much sense. Bellow it's part of a thread here in the MB with a simple natural expression of wisdom about it:
"While walking up any hill, I find that I can keep walking as long as I walk with respect to my own breath. That is, as long as I don't hold any external standards as to how slow or fast I should be walking and just allow myself to walk at whatever pace respects my present capacity, I can keep walking. If I am tired I walk a little slower, if I feel strong, maybe I walk a little faster. As I move towards my goal of reaching my destination, all I have to do to keep making steady progress is to continuously pay attention and modulate myself to the present moment. I don't need to stop and rest to "catch my breath" as long as I do this. ("¦)
Jupiter is there to guide us through life. It is our intuition, and our beliefs. When our beliefs are based on what is really happening, on paying attention to what is natural, to what our bodies are telling us, to our breath, to our energy in the present moment, to our intuition, then they serve us well. We can move through life with a certain ease and consistency, always aware of when to walk a little faster or slower. But when our beliefs don't reflect who we really are and they are telling us to keep up with someone else who is hiking with us or are pushing us to hike faster because of expectations..., then we get into compensating behaviors. (Of course there are many reasons; this is just a metaphor.) When this happens we over-exert ourselves and have to stop and rest until our breath returns to normal. This is the action of physical compensation. Like Steve pointed out, compensation of all sorts happens when, instead of respecting what is happening, we act from beliefs that are not in alignment with what is and not from observation of what is. So then we have to compensate somehow because we are out of step with who we are; we lose our breath. Instead of respecting the limitations and boundaries of ourselves in each moment, we believe that we are something different and act in a fashion that causes us to lose our breath. Then we need to stop and regain balance at some point."
from JJ, (here is the link to the thread https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,238.15.html)
I really liked reading this example because it shows in a very organic way, how we can either form natural ou delusive foundations from which to lead the pace of our lives and how, from here, these foundations act as beliefs either to be true to oneself or perform an ideal self in comparison with others.
This dynamic of compensation, as JWG taught, comes from the natural square of sagittarius to virgo, if we think that virgo usually focuses on what it lacks, therefore, compensating.
With Pluto in virgo in the 10th house, and in this context, the soul has been desiring to analyse, identify, purge, heal anything that is not natural in itself, that is making the soul compensate for what it is not, or even what it isn't yet (the typical 1st house impatience). Since the recent past lives, the soul has already been working on the need to slow down. In moments of difficulty and disorientation, quiet contemplation (PPP pisces 4th house) of nature could guide the way as a the most valuable teacher.
The Sagittarius sun in the first house comes as an opportunity to act upon this dynamic. Identify the moments when the soul is moving out of sync rather than with the natural flow of its own life and reality. When it's moving out of balance, and while in there, Time, limitations, and all structured nature of external reality, Capricorn, would not be easy to avoid. This process of identification is not fully conscious from a rational, orderly, left brain perspective as the soul has been used to. It will come in hints, impressions, instincts, attractions. I would put that the soul is learning, Sagittarius, to find in itself a natural pace, a natural interaction with others, society and spirit, from a perspective of independence and isolation first and foremost, or otherwise it will get into compensating behaviours. Again, with the sun probably squaring pluto, an underlying conflict will always be the bottom line for the choices the soul makes. Issues were the soul has been betraying itself could most likely be authority, power, status, gender, emotional expression. With the NN leo the soul will have to makes choices concerning performance, will it play a fake idea of itself or play (in a sense of having joy/fun/creativity) with the desire to discover a brand new self? The first will always require others, an audience, the second starts merely as a process of self-enjoyment.
Also, alienation, a possible expression of the Sagittarius archetype, will be one of the hints for the soul to go in, to start feeling at ease with itself in any situation, home, country, belief system or culture, accepting everyone and everything as they are because the soul created the conditions to first be free to be as it Is.
Consensus State
The possibility of feeling alienation regarding the culture of birth might very well be present. In order to promote a separation from the group's beliefs, the soul can feel that the religion in which it was born, do not define what the soul feels to be right for itself, or give the conditions and opportunities to its own development. In this case there could be a desire to travel much, be and adventurer in search for the "right" culture/place to express individuality. Or, adopting an all different religion, for instance through marriage, falling in love with someone with other beliefs and culture and by that, having the courage to experience life with new eyes, and also experience uniqueness by even defying the consensus structures of marriage.
Studying can also promote the need to change, adopt a critic and objective view of the beliefs that have been shaping behaviour and no longer make sense. Although it is also here that the group can promote the biggest pressure for the soul to compensate, to be what it's not, becoming a delusive model/symbol for others due to a charismatic personality. Or what we call in my native language the "saint with feet of clay".
Individuated State
In the individuated state there is no longer the need to conform to society's expectations or beliefs. That would not be natural. Although, some soul's could also be lying to themselves for resistance to take responsibility for their own actions in the social context, i.e., inner resistance to individuate towards ideals or group consciousness with consequent anger projected on others or other groups. In this case, some trauma could take place when the soul "discovers" at some point that it has been living a lie but maybe positively develop a new authenticity from there on.
Feelings of being special, having some special talent that needs to be acted upon, developed, with no tolerance for any restriction. This is a soul who needs to feel absolutely free in its own thinking, in its own body. Feel and have respect for itself and all others. Finding a unique way to experiment and understand life is crucial. Maybe this understanding comes from putting together a system that translates a variety of cultural influences in a very creative way.
A natural loner, eclectic thinker, fighter for freedom, an environmentalist or artist. Musician Tom Waits, sagittarius sun and rising sign could well translate this archetypal expression of the need for freedom of thinking.
Spiritual State
In the spiritual state, the soul feels at home in every culture and understands and accepts the truth and manifestation of God throughout all spiritual traditions.
The need to live by its own truth will translate in a unique teacher, who's wisdom is anchored in living according to natural law, possibly able to communicate with animals and plants, in harmony with all Creation, and also promoting this harmony. A brilliant mind, whose life and actions translate in simplicity to communicate truthfully to everyone, and inspire the search for freedom and honesty also in others.
A soul with a loving, playful heart. I wouldn't know either the birthtime or evolutionary state of the Nobel Peace prize winner Desmond Tutu, but i get the feeling his soul can well be the playful, spiritual warrior for peace and inspiration in the lives of many others we are talking about.
Hi Helena,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house. You very clearly express the tension of the transition from the past to the future in regards to the evolutionary intentions to develop the courage to break free from old delusive beliefs and live in alignment with personal truth and Natural Law (North Node in Leo in the 9th house, planetary ruler the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house). Thank you for including the excerpt as it is a wonderful illustration of the Jupiter/9th house/Sagittarius archetype.
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ruler of the North Node Sun in Sag in the 1st continued....
When I think about a chart I think about the end point the intentions for the current life and so the intentions of this chart example is Pluto in Pisces in the 4th. How that will be actualized or reached is through the North Node in Leo in the 9th with its ruler being the Sun in Sag in the 1st.
The Soul in this case will be highly focused on what constitutes Life Purpose and through discovery of its Life Purpose will be accessing its true inner Emotional Nature, the Purpose being to heal and access its emotional world as well as to help access and heal the emotional world of people it shares its environment with. This can only happen as the Soul aligns with its personal truth and personal truth must come through an alignment back to Natural Law through purging of all delusive beliefs.
The original past intention in this chart was double deconditioning from Consensus, deconditioning from mental structures that were based upon others or groups... The Soul was learning to metamorphose and decondition from outdated psychological structures that are preventing further growth, Uranus in Scorpio natural ruler of Pluto in a natural square to the South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house...
This past theme of deconditioning is now being carried over into the current chart with Uranus in Scorpio in natural squares to the North Node in Leo and the South Node in Aquarius. The Soul is still working on deconditioning from Consensus Reality as well as Ego Centric structures that are preventing growth. This theme of moving away from consensus is also shown once again through Pluto PPP being in the 4th house.
The current life Purpose of Creative Actualization of Personal Truth , North Node in the 9th and the ruler of the North being the Sun in sag will happen through purging all delusive beliefs and realignment with Natural Law, Sun in a Natural Square to Pluto in Virgo and Pluto PPP in Pisces. The Sun in Sag in the first shows that the Creative Actualization of the North Node will happen through Life experience by following the Intuitive Impulse to take action to keep moving forward, a life in pursuit of Ultimate Truth... In this way the Soul is learning through feedback from its environment through action reaction types of learning and through personal experience, life experience what actually constitutes personal truth...
In this chart I see how the Gravity of the past had to be negated some if the Soul is to grow and move forward and so this Soul chose all that Fire energy, North Node 9th in Leo and the Ruler the Sun in Sag in the 1st to help move this process along. With Pluto PPP being Pisces in the 4th and all that Fire energy it is as if the message here is Dare to Dream, Think Big, Get Outside the Box yet the Soul made sure it had fail safes with regards to purging of delusive beliefs or getting to full of itself, Sun in a natural square to Pluto in Virgo and Pluto PPP in Pisces and Uranus in Scorpio in a Natural Square to North Node in Leo. There will be truth in the Dream but the dream will need to be brought down to reality, the Soul is learning to keep it real and what reality is through feedback it receives as it keeps moving forward on its journey to discovery of personal truth...
In all cases The Soul is learning a completely new way to live to learn to actualize to be....In a positive expression the Soul is going to throw off the Past and Get Real and offer something up to society that is a unique expression of their own personal truth...
Consensus:
The Soul in Consensus is going to most likely have the hardest time actualizing the intentions with this placement as the Souls security will be Linked to Capricorn Archetype.
In a positive expression the Soul will be working hard at aligning with its purpose through discovery of personal truth that allows it to climb the social ladder by enhancing Consensus in some way. The Soul will most likely want to teach through some educational system or through some religious organization and its most likely going to garner the credentials to be able to do this to get ahead. If the Soul is working on the intentions in the right direction then its going to want to improve upon some system in Consensus and then offer it back up through its own creative process. The Soul will be learning to follow its intuitive functions and take action based on the intuition and by following this orientation to life will be creatively actualizing its own purpose outside of what Consensus dictates. It will be thinking for itself and will align with personal truth in this way and as the Soul follows this way of being then a realignment with its emotional nature can take place and the soul will naturally be helping others through this orientation to life.
Individual State:
In the Individual State I feel this placement would be rather rebellious.
In a positive expression the Soul will want to decondition from Consensus Reality and help others do the same. The Soul will be working on actualizing its personal truth through purging all delusive beliefs of the consensus. The Soul in this state will most likely have some sort of alternative healing or teaching abilities possibly with in nature or with animals and will creatively actualize by sharing its uniqueness with others. The Soul will be aligning ever more with Natural Laws in this state and will help others decondition from Consensus by showing others new and progressive ways of being. In this way the Soul will be living in alignment with its personal truth and find purpose through that orientation to life as well as be realigning with its emotional nature through authenticity.
Spiritual State:
In the Spiritual State I feel the Signatures of Humility and Purging of all delusive beliefs are magnified here. In this state the Soul will be aligning ever more with Natural Universal laws. The Soul is learning to rely completely on its Intuitive functions in this state and through the initiation of actions based on the intuition the Soul is learning through feed back from the environment so that a fine tuning of the intuitive functions can happen. The Soul will be on a constant eternal quest for ever expanding truth and understanding and this will be the creative actualization process in itself. As the Soul aligns every more with these Natural ways of being then they will be able to use the intuition/instincts to naturally give to the environment in any way needed. The Soul will accessing its true emotional nature through intuitive actions that will physically align them with the Creator. In this way life purpose will be through healing and realignment with the Natural Emotions . In the spiritual state the Soul will be learning to become that which it wants to see heal/change in the world and learning to be a conduit for the Divine through this orientation to life.
I'm having a very hard time writing again, so sorry for the choppy disconnectedness... I just keep on trying and appreciate so much the opportunity to learn here....
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house. You very clearly illustrate that the core evolutionary intentions of this chart is to de-condition and throw off all that is "unnatural" to the Soul through connecting to Its authentic emotional nature (Pluto in Virgo in 10th house, South Node in Aquarius in the 3rd house, Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 4th house, North Node in Leo in the 9th house). The Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house then re-iterates the theme of creative actualization of personal truth through breaking from the old patterns, and initiating a new cycle of evolutionary becoming that reflects this truth.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Wei,
Please let me know if you intend to post and an estimated time frame. Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
Hi All,
Thank you to all who have participated on this practice thread! It is wonderful to see such quality E.A analysis and I appreciate the commitment to this thread. If there is interest, we can start another practice chart applying a mitigating factor such as Pluto conjunct the South Node. Let me know who is interested in this idea.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Thank you Deva for continuing to teach us here... Yes I would like to continue to learn and will continue to participate....
Heather
Deva, thanks to you and others on this site for the valuable E.A. teaching. I thank my lucky stars every day. I am ready when you are to move on.
At some point, if/when everyone feels ready, would you and others be interested in going through a chart in whole using the planetary method of interpretation? I for one would love to go through the step by step, starting like we just have with Pluto and the nodes, and just keep going in order to arrive at a complete picture.
Lotsa Love, DDD
Hi Deva,
Yes, i am working on it, and want to continue, I will post tomorrow.
Thanks
Hi Deva,
Oh i haven't realised we had finished the practice thread! Thank you for your kind encouragement words and patiently teaching us.
At first i thought it was impossible to write more than a simple paragraph about what you already mentioned but yes, practice is the more important thing. I feel i have really improved my learning just by following step by step. So much, i realised i want to finally commit to take the EA school course as soon as it can be possible for me (it seems only natural to do so since i already study it everyday and think in "EA terms" for about everything in daily life :)...)
Looking forward to continue with the suggested practice. Thanks also to All who participated, i've learned with everyone too!
Best,
Helena
Thank you Deva and to everyone, I have also learned so much from this interaction!! I'm excited to continue!!!!
Namaste
Barbara
NN 9th house Leo ruler in 1st house Sagittarius
Add the NN's ruler is in Sagittarius, soul has indistinct desire for freedom to explore personal truth through direct experiences, to be guided by natural law, to decondition from any distorted laws, coming back to soul's natural state, original identity, and to teach/express the truth. Walking this path, soul can finally emerging with universal truth, and heal the trauma/guilt build up in its long term memories, It's an adventure of going home, and manifest ultimate home state on earth, no matter where the journey lead it to. Soul with this signature, needs to keep throwing off conditions that doesn't resonate or support further growth, only when they let go of the past, especially letting go of fixed goals or a belief what the future should be, how to live is meaningful"¦ they will find ultimate freedom within, truly create their own experiences/fate, and be rewarded with expansion/growth, others will see them as "Lucky", seems whenever they take risks, fate support them with right opportunities. Soul will feel there is a special destiny to fulfill, searching for this special purpose and creatively actualize it, will naturally re-structure Soul's inner identity, they will feel like shedding skins, and ever more close to their authentic self.
Soul has to learn to be its own teacher, to think independently, answer its own question, it's truly an individual path that no one can show them what the special destiny really is, the challenge is to constantly be true to one's intuition, desire, passion, not restricted by belief or idea of what's right, what's meaningful. Because Sagittarius wants to know it all, that generates power (Sun), then 1st house is only the initiation of that sensed future. Soul needs to have faith to trust the process, allow random experiences, to allow that some passion won't blossom, through the experiences and reaction from out world, the meaning will surface, the structure of its creativity will be shaped.
This signature contains all 3 fire archetype, first house (Aries) Sun (Leo) in Sagittarius. It's a process from knowing "I", then discover my natural talent/creativity (When the "I" become center of universe, become creator of its own fate), then further connect to universe, Sun/I is only a star in universe, and everything everyone are interrelated, it's a progress that self-image of a separated individual to a cosmic being. From the cosmic point, truly understand its position in the world, and how its creativity/special destiny connected to the whole, a new way to serve humanity (Pluto in 10th house).
Sorry everyone, I am still struggling to write more... I really want to finish it, and write things make sense! I am still trying, please bear with me....
Hi Wei,
Great start! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of the planetary ruler of the North Node, the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house. The next step is to write out how this process would manifest relative to Evolutionary State. For example, how would a Soul in the Consensus State actualize It's special purpose relative to initiation of a new evolutionary cycle and alignment with personal truth (Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house)?
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva
I am on trip right now, i will find time to finish the next step.
Hi All,
My suggestion is to bake a small break, and start another practice thread in 2 weeks. Does this sound OK to the rest of the group?
Namaste
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you Deva, I'm ready to continue whenever you and everyone are... Thank you everyone for helping me learn here with all the wonderful work everyone shares...
Heather
Hi Deva and Everyone, a break is fine with me. I would love to participate in another practice thread as was suggested earlier such as applying a mitigating factor like Pluto conjunct the South Node. Thanks again. DDD
Hi Deva and group,
it is ok with me also, looking forward to continue. I'll probably have a busier September but i will try to adjust.
Best days for everyone.
Thank you,
Helena
Consensus State
I feel in this state, Soul is developing a passionate new attitude towards life/career/role in society, they will explore a meaningful life within education/philosophy/religion or belief system that are validated by mainstream society, when they are more evolving towards 3rd stage consensus, they may pursue higher education that are respected/considered successful worldwide, their stage/role/consciousness will be expanded to international stage, mainstream of their own culture will see them as pioneers, they can also manifest gender and race wise, first woman in men dominated career field etc... This signature reminds me of philosophy: pursuit of happiness, wake up from a zombie mechanized life style, to discover personal meaning in life. I see this signature as a pioneer sensed new way of living/society, initiate a new cycle of evolution can't be hold back anymore. They will constantly feel the pull towards future manifest as the needs for freedom, self-discovery, also conflict with anxiety of separation, and fear from past operated in unconscious level (the ending of the last cycle), they can be reactive (project fear/anger), see others/environment as cause/restriction, to control the environment secure their needs, or they can restrict themselves out of fear that the level of freedom they desire is not possible/appropriate/allowed in society, not realistic etc. The positive manifestation may require "faith", trust of their own intuition, that express their authentic self (NN 9th Leo) in their own unique independent way (1st house Sag) will open up new path for them, new way of living a physical life that can be fulfilled.
Individuated State
They are going to break away from consensus way of life, being independent from family condition/traditions/mainstream religion/belief system and so on, they will learn to develop intuition, then they can ask and answer their own questions through inner knowing what's meaningful for them, what and when to initiate, what's the right risk to take, what path is right depends on what is natural for them, what action can generate passion, love, happiness, fulfillment, and satisfaction from creativities. Through right work, action, the passion can be natural motivation to facilitate further growth. Through spontaneous self-expression and creativity, they will create/align with a more authentic and integrated self-image (NN) through feedback and direct experiences, who I am, what I desire, what information/action are relative to soul's journey, when they are align with their soul's journey, they will be recognized as special, as leader, as creative"¦. Which generate self-confidence, inner power, inner authority of this authentic self, then they can truly trust their intuition, inner knowing, which help them develop PPP lesson: inner security (NN ruler Sun in 1st house Sagittarius-NN 9th house Leo-PPP 4th house Pisces). It would be very interesting dynamic for these individuals to initiate new path, make choices, create something, because the instinctual desire is to create something purely reflect their individuality, authentic self, a desire not only to stand as group of one, but shine and take completely charge of their fate! When irrelevant information or social pressure interfere their decision (From Pluto 10th house Virgo, SN 3rd house Aquarius), or they are trying to use mind to make rational decision (SN 3rd), they will feel something is not right, something is lacking, and insecurity that they don't really master what they are doing, their work/teaching/creativity has to come from higher mind, naturally flow through them, from them, then they know they are special, they will have inner validation/security of their talent/creativity, and trust unknown path to naturally unfold. Also when they evolve to 3rd stage of individual state, their belief of power/authority/strength would be more align with natural law, power doesn't mean dominate or defeat others, but simply create, manifest soul's inner role into physical reality, their work will inspire others, and they will respect others individuality, give/teach/encourage/liberate others according to what they need, and validate their specific journey.
Spiritual State
In this State, personal path ever aligned with the evolution of universe itself. The action (1st house) is always generated by Love (Leo), it becomes a natural flow rather than make a consciousness choice. They can be spiritual teachers, healers or artists who create a new system that ahead of its time yet well accepted worldwide because the universal truth can inspire seeded souls everywhere to follow their unique spiritual path, their teaching will based on natural law and heart centered, guide souls/society to create a new way of existence. The other way to put it is, their soul's journey reflect divine's intention, to initiate a new cycle for human society, leading souls align with natural law, with their own creativity and inner role, to co-create a new reality.
Hi Deva and everyone, thank you so much for this opportunity, when I write these assignment, not only I learn the archetype deeper I also feel them, it's wonderful way to study. Sorry it took me so long, many times, I just don't feel what I wrote is authentic, like the archetype we are learning I am learning to use my heart instead of mind as well, it's such good practice for my personal growth as well.
Looking forward to next one.
Wei
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the planetary ruler of the North Node, the Sun in Sagittarius in the 1st house within the Evolutionary States. You clearly express the evolutionary intentions to self-actualize relative to personal truth, self- authenticity, and free from the input of society, social groups, friendships, etc. In essence, by finding the courage to "break into" and act upon the Soul's authentic nature a new evolutionary cycle is put into motion. Great job! I am really glad to hear that participating on this thread has been a valuable experience for you, and I appreciate your continued insightful contributions.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
To continue with our practice of the Evolutionary Paradigm, let's apply a mitigating factor to a birth chart. For example, let's put Pluto conjunct the South Node. As taught by JWG, from an evolutionary point of view, Pluto conjunct the South Node correlates with three possible conditions. My suggestion is to review the chapter Pluto and the Nodal Axis in the Pluto vol.1 book as it outlines the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node.
The three archetypal conditions are these:
1)The Soul is in an evolutionary and karmic reliving condition because of a failure to resolve successfully the dynamics described by the house and sign position of the Pluto/South Node conjunction. This is not common as it reflects total resistance which is rare.
2)The Soul is in a karmic fruition condition. This reflects a situation in which the Soul has put so much effort into actualizing the evolutionary/karmic intentions of the past that it has a special gift/destiny relative to the house and sign position of Pluto conjunct the South Node. The individual is reaping that which was sown before. This is also not a common expression. Even in this expression, the Soul will feel the pull towards the polarity point and the North Node, the evolutionary future.
3)The Soul is in a simultaneous evolutionary and karmic condition in which certain conditions of the past must be relived while others are in a fruition state. This is the most common expression.
As taught by JWG, the best way to determine which condition exists for the individual is to use the observation and correlation approach. This is because astrology can only be applied correctly relative to a given context. While there are mitigating factors in the birth chart that indicate a probable karmic condition it can be hard to determine the condition from the birth chart alone. For example, stressful aspects to Pluto tend to indicate a relive condition, and non-stressful aspects tend to indicate a fruition condition. If there are both stressful and non-stressful aspects to Pluto it tends to indicate a dual condition exists. But this is not some hard and fast rule.
In order to identify the expression of Pluto conjunct the South Node through observation and correlation, ask questions that center about the Soul's ability to understand and integrate the evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node. If there seems to be a total blockage relative to the dynamics indicated by the polarity points, then the first condition exists. If there there seems to be elements of both reliving and fruition then the second condition exists. If there seems to be something special about the individual's life relative to the house and sign position of Pluto/South Node conjunction then condition three exists.
For sake of simple example, let's put Pluto in the 6th house. Pluto is conjunct the South Node in the same house. My suggestion is to review Pluto in Virgo/6th house in the Pluto vol.1 book. What are the core evolutionary intentions and desires of the past? Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the South Node symbolizes core desires to serve the Whole, serve or be of service to those most immediate to the Soul, or to serve others in some way, to affect self-improvement, and to learn egocentric humility. These lesson are being learned through the work function, through intense self-analysis, and of being of service to others in some way.
Virgo is a transitional archetype from subjective development to objective development. Aries-Leo symbolizes a necessary subjective development and focus. Libra-Pisces symbolizes a necessary objective development and focus. The sign of Virgo correlates with an inverted pyramid effect. It is through the inverted pyramid that the necessary inner adjustments are made, and the transition from subjective development to objective development takes place. In essence, following the proceeding sign of Leo, the balloon of self-inflation is pierced, and we become aware of all that we are not.
Pluto in Virgo/6th house conjunct the South Node reflects that the Soul is leaving behind the egocentric orientation of the past, and transiting into objective development and focus. As such, any dynamic that is linked to the subjective orientation of the past reflected by archetypes of Aries-Leo will subconsciously not feel "right" or adequate. The dynamics linked with objective development symbolized by the archetypes of Libra-Pisces will feel "right" as they reflect the necessary humility, and purging of egocentric delusions of grandeur. In other words, the standard of conduct used to determine "correct" conduct is based upon the transition from subjective development to objective development.
All to often, there is an intense feeling of inner aloneness and emptiness. The Soul is stripping itself bare, and has a magnified focus on all that is lacking and deficient. Typically, a variety of avoidance oriented behavior is used in an attempt to fill the void. For example, the "busy bee" syndrome may manifest in which the Soul creates excessive external activities and obligations. Mundane work, or work performed just for the sake to keep busy, has been used by many of these individuals in order to fill the void. Crisis then results in order to induce the necessary self-analysis of what dynamics must be changed, and to bring these patterns into conscious awareness. It is important to note that self-analysis can replace excessive crisis if the Soul makes inner adjustments as necessary. In so doing, unnecessary crisis can be purged from the Soul.
Most commonly, memories of prior indiscretions and mistakes relative to the dynamics described above are held within the unconscious. The resulting guilt and need to atone for these indiscretions is emphasized coming into the life. Positively responded to, the guilt can be resolved through alignment with a work function that reflects service to the Whole, or service to others in some way. The work or service function then becomes a vehicle through which egocentric humility and self- improvement takes place. Self improvement of course can also take place through critical and honest self analysis or reflection. This can create the awareness of what the Soul need to do in order to affect, actualize, whatever the self improvement is or needs to be.
Another central dynamic is that of negative feedback. In a positive expression, critical feedback is used constructively to make the necessary changes and self-adjustments. Negatively responded to, the Soul externalizes a self-critical and negative focus. In this situation, the individual will attract critical feedback from the external environment as a reflection of it's inner negative focus. The individual will typically feel victimized by such feedback, and use it as an excuse not make the necessary adjustments. This creates yet another source of guilt as the Soul did not affect the improvement(s) that It has the intrinsic capacity to create; self-denial of the actual abilities of the Soul. In the worst extremes, this can create a perpetual state of crisis. The key within this is to use negative feedback to affect positive change and egocentric humility. In turn, the Soul can help others who also feel victimized by their life circumstances in the same way.
So to summarize:
Pluto's conjunction to the South Node symbolizes that these core evolutionary intentions can be expressed in three possible ways:
1) Evolutionary/karmic reliving: In this condition, the Soul has totally avoided the evolutionary intentions described above and is reliving these conditions in order bring them to resolution. Victimization, externalization of an inwardly critical focus, and the need to learn to serve the Whole are the central dynamics that are being repeated in order to be resolved.
2) Evolutionary/karmic fruition: In this condition, the Soul is in a state of fruition relative to the core evolutionary dynamics of past, and has a special destiny in those areas. The dynamics of service to the Whole, self-improvement, and egocentric humility are in a state of fruition. The individual has a special gift in the context of these dynamics. For example, this natal signature reflects that the Soul has an innate capacity to help others who are in a state of crisis, and feel victimized by life in general; service to the underprivileged.
3) Simultaneous karmic and evolutionary reliving and fruition: In this condition, the Soul is simultaneously reliving certain dynamics of the evolutionary past previously described, while others are in a state of fruition. For example, the individual may in state of fruition relative to the need to learn to serve the Whole and affect self-improvement, yet reliving the dynamics of victimization and externalization of a inner critical orientation.
Please write out in your own words an analysis of Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the South Node relative to the three possible archetypal expression.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
If there are any questions about this next step of the practice thread please let me know. Also, I am wondering if is there still interest in participating of those who said they wanted to continue on. Thanks again for the time and effort on this thread.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and everyone, sorry this took so long. Its been a busy 6th House week and this assignment took me a bit longer than I thought - but what a great assignment! I feel I have learned a lot working through it. Thank you all for your patience.
Pluto 6th/South Node Conjunction
A person born with Pluto in the 6th House has been learning lessons of humility, service and self-improvement. At some point in our evolutionary journey we all have to mature into adults in order to contribute to society and play our part through a specific work function, as equals among others. Virgo/6th House is the transitional archetype on the way to becoming that mature adult. Virgo/6th House is where, through evolutionary requirement and/or evolutionary necessity, we become aware of all our imperfections, lacks, ineptitudes, shorcomings and the like, through a process of intense self-analysis, service and work function. This necessary state of being is where we recognize that we are not as wonderful and important as we thought we were. No longer at the top of the heap basking in the admiration of others (Leo), we become aware that we are not the center of the universe and are no more important than anyone else. In fact, in this transitional state, it is a common experience to feel less than everybody else and experience the awareness of personal lack, doubt and self-recrimination. The lessons of this transitional archetype can take lifetimes to understand and fully integrate, partly depending on Spiritual condition and desire to cooperate with evolutionary necessity.
When the South Node is conjunct Pluto in the 6th House, three possible situations could be manifesting.
1. The first situation indicates the person has completely avoided the necessary lessons indicated by Pluto/6th/South Node. The planetary ruler of the South Node by house and sign provides additional information regarding those issues that need to be addressed. Coming into this life the person is destined to relive the conditions symbolized so they can once again attempt to learn, understand, and ultimately fully integrate the necessary lessons.
The avoidance behavior referenced above will be related in part to feelings of being unwilling to relinquish the sense of being special. The ego, progressively full of itself from Aries through Leo, might be having difficulty with seeing itself as not-so-important after all. But it is exactly that way of seeing itself that is now necessary - to experience real humility. The ego might fight against those feelings, clinging on to the delusive belief that it is still the center of everything. A person with these feelings will be sensitive to criticism from others even though such criticism, delivered with genuine concern, could be something potentially valuable, i.e., critical feedback - a useful and helpful mechanism serving to point out where necessary adjustments can be made for improvement. Not all critical feedback will have such noble intentions, and some will be just plain criticism. This can come from the self or others - the outside being a reflection of internal reality. Sometimes a person delivering such critical feedback can be on the receiving end of criticism themselves as the Pluto/Virgo person lashes out with vindictiveness, unwilling to consider the message being delivered. Instead, they choose to feel victimized as in, "why is everybody picking on me?" Since Virgo/6th is a Yin archetype, personal reflection on why these things are happening can lead to clarity on what needs to be done to improve. Such reflection will happen on a cyclic basis. However, personal cooperation is necessary to accomplish this outcome, and if complete avoidance is practiced, then the criticism and resulting crises will continue. As difficult as it may be, crises can be properly managed by having the right attitude and having genuine intention to cooperate through self-analysis and self-reflection. In this way clarity can start to replace confusion relative to what needs to be adjusted, where, and how. If the person avoids taking such an opportunity then difficult situations will repeat potentially adding to existing feelings of victimization. In reality part of their avoidance behavior is reflected in a compulsive need to stay busy, always working, moving from one perceived obligation to the next, wondering why they never have enough hours in the day to get things done. In this way they can avoid experiencing their essential feelings of alone-ness as well as avoid doing what they need to do for themselves to mitigate difficult crises, make practical adjustments and work on self-improvement. This is also a reflection of the need to atone for guilty feelings, conscious or unconscious. This avoidance behavior is itself a further cause of guilt - knowing at a deep level that they are not taking the responsibility to do what needs to be done to improve/adjust themselves and their life situation. So guilt is added to guilt. Not taking care of themselves when they should is also a way for them to atone for that guilt. At-one-ment is reflected too in not developing or adapting skills and techniques they need in order to be of service or at least start the process of integration into society as an equal. In unconsciously holding themselves back, they will always make excuses as to why they are not quite ready to use their skills, talents and/or gifts. As an example they might compulsively keep taking classes when in reality they could probably teach those classes themselves. Never ready, never good enough. Self-denial and its related symptoms often results in physical, mental or spiritual illness. This is yet another form of crisis and yet another reason to feel like a victim of life. Such psychology is a self-perpetuating cycle of self denial at every level. Until the proper effort is made to reflect on why this is happening using critical self-analysis, then the cycle will continue. South Node conjunct Pluto in the 6th House can indicate complete refusal to address the above issues and the reasons why a re-live situation is necessary.
2. The second condition with Pluto/6th conjunct South Node indicates that cooperation through genuine effort with pure intentions in the past has led to the current life where they are reaping the fruits of that sincere effort. Now they have a special role and/or destiny to fulfill. The planetary ruler of the South Node by house and sign will provide information regarding this special destiny and the reasons why.
In this case, the person has made a sustained, consistent effort to zero in on, and understand that their own orientation to life needed to be changed in ways they identified through intense self-analysis, self-forgiveness and acceptance. Pluto in the 6th/Virgo has a laser-like ability to isolate areas within the self that needs to be removed or adjusted, those parts of the self that have outlived their usefulness or are simply wrong for the future lifepath. In identifying what needs to go, they have also identified how to do it. Something as seemingly simple as the adoption of positive daily routines and the regular, consistent, sustained practice of methods and techniques would have replaced the mindless busy-ness so that valuable skills could be thoroughly learned and practiced with the intention of using such skills to serve and benefit others. The feeling of complete aloneness and inner void that is common with this astrological signature will have been replaced with clarity, meaning and purpose. The mental labyrinth of endless analysis upon analysis and feeling of helplessness has been replaced with a calmer internal space of relative peace as the recognition that the meaning of one's life can't be analyzed into understanding. As an example, a regular, daily routine of going for a long walk, exercise, yoga or whatever has helped calm the mind and assimilate ongoing lessons. This in part is due to the movement itself - Virgo/6th is mutable and movement helps keep things rolling along internally as well as externally. For those in the Spiritual evolutionary state, a daily routine of meditation will be essential as they have realized that only a meaningful relationship with God/Goddess will ease the lonliness and fill the internal void. Through such cooperation with the evolutionary intention, there will be more clarity and understanding of themselves and others. Within this, the person will have learned the lesson of discrimination so that they know when to give to others and when to say no. Over time they will also have learned how to forgive themselves and others. This is an essential lesson since we are all just human and there can be no moving on until that happens. Compassion will have replaced criticism, and with compassion comes the desire to help and the recognition that we are all One.
Any personal power experienced by the person will no longer be associated with the ego. In other words, power for power's sake. If, for example, the person has a special destiny and gift relative to healing power, they will feel and know that power is Universal/God/Goddess Power and is not theirs. They are simply a conduit through which that power is operating.
Any special destiny or ability will be linked with Spiritual evolutionary stage, and none of this can be ascertained by just looking at the chart. Questions must be asked about the person's life. Also, even with a special gift or destiny in this life, the person may still feel held back or frustrated by an inability to fulfill the promise of the life conditions described by the North Node.
3. The third condition is a combination of the first two, with some areas of life being in a relive situation and some being in a fruition state. The planetary ruler of the South Node by house and sign will provide additional information.
In all of the above, in addition to asking questions about the person's life, other factors in the chart can point to which areas are in a relive condition and which are in a fruition condition. Non-stressful aspects tend to point to areas of fruition which can be identified by house and sign of the planets involved, and stressful aspects tend to point to relive areas, also identified by house and sign of the planets involved.
When Pluto is conjunct the South Node, for the most part the second Saturn Return is the time when the individual will be able to realize the issues described by the North Node. However, if a planet(s) conjunct the North Node or makes aspects to the North Node, then evolution out of the past can happen before that. Planets by house, sign and aspect will describe how and where those planetary functions have helped in the past. The number of planets conjunct or in aspect to the North Node can indicate how much less time will be spent living conditions described by Pluto/South Node. If another planet is conjunct Pluto/South Node, it will also be subject to the conditions described in 1. 2. and 3. above and are directly linked to the past. If the planetary ruler of the North Node is conjunct Pluto/South Node, then issues pertaining to the past are magnified. With regard to the North Node and the time spent living out conditions of the past, other factors can have an impact. As an example, if a planet is square the Nodal Axis, then it also indicates what JWG calls skipped steps where neither issues of the past or future have been fully resolved. They have experienced intense conflict regarding issues indicated by the squaring planet and Pluto/South Node and avoided dealing with them in the context of the house and sign of Pluto/South Node. Until the skipped steps are fully recovered, they will be blocked from fully realizing the life conditions indicated by the North Node. Sometimes, conditions exist where release from Pluto/South Node life circumstances can occur at the first Saturn Return. Number of non-stressful aspects to the North Node and level of Spiritual development can help reduce the amount of time spent reliving the past as a reflection of personal awareness, understanding and cooperation. However, JWG emphasized that hard and fast rules do not apply.
Finally, according to JWG who read thousands of charts, the third is the most common state, and the first two are rare. DDD
Hi Everyone,
Deva yes I would like to continue to participate the best that I can... I am having some vision issue that is making even reading the board difficult.... I will write something as soon as I'm able to focus....
Thank you for your patience and continuing to teach us here....
Heather
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house. I like that you included the dynamic of specific techniques to help purify the often self-critical focus of the 6th house. This then shifts the focus from negative to positive. As a result, the externalization, or projection, of inner negatively is eliminated. For example, a technique that was shared with me by a friend is to mentally "throw away" any negative and self-undermining thoughts. This serves to affect the necessary self-purification.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
just wish to confirm my participation, although i would like to ask for a few more days (preferably by the end of the week). Due to many things demanding my attention right now, i have not been able to have the time and concentration to focus on the assignment.
Would it be ok? I'm sorry about this delay in the practice.
And also, would just like to leave of a word of appreciation and happiness to see Rad again at MB, hope everything is better for him :)
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Deva,
I do have a question, what is the dynamic when Pluto retrograde conjunct SN, or what is the difference when Pluto retrograde conjunct SN, and Pluto direct conjunct SN?
And I am working on this assignment, will need a few days too.
Thanks
Hi Wei,
Thank you for posting your question. Pluto retrograde does not change the three possible archetypal expressions of Pluto, or any planet, conjunct the South Node.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva, thanks for the feedback and clarification. The technique you mentioned where you mentally throw away negative thoughts sounds like a good one - appreciate you sharing it. :)
Hi Deva,
Yes, I'm definitely interested. I just got back from vacation. I'll be posting soon..:)
Namaste
Pluto/6th/Virgo conjunct the SN:
This is a soul that has unresolved desires of self-adjustment, self-improvement, the purging out of the self-inflated egocentric structure so there can be humility. Through the awareness of all that that the soul doesn't have in comparison with others (this being a transitional archetype from leo to Libra that induces social integration as an equal) the soul has been desiring to self-reflect and adjust its behaviors in order to purge out subjective oriented, self-seeking, self-inflating patterns so objectivity and self-improvement can occur.
This can be done through service to others and the work function where the soul will channel the desires mentioned above. Through the awareness of lack the soul becomes aware of underprivileged, underdog needs or the soul itself can come from such a place in a way that it now desires to serve these segments of society in order to bring improvements which reflect the internal self-improvement and self-adjusting.
The soul can also do this by subconsciously creating external crises that will push the soul into the necessary self-analysis. This is a soul that is reflecting a desire to purify itself by stripping itself from all that came before as subjective egocentric behavior and this can lead to a lot internal criticism, perfectionism that if it's not positively focused, can turned into negativity and more crises arising from external negative feedback being a reflection of the internal one.
If it's positively focused it can be turned into healing energy to help the soul purge and strip away the subjective/egocentric focus (pisces polarity point). In this way the soul surrenders to the stripping and the transition needing to occur and the crises turn into healing opportunities as well.
Another expression of Pluto in 6th/Virgo can be avoidance or denial of through excessive doing instead of being. This is due to the core aloneness/emptying the soul is going through that may be hard to "be" with.
The last element of this position of Pluto is the guilt the soul has accrued due to the extent of the participation in behaviors that are not aligned with the new desires to objectify and purify the consciousness. Here we can have religious definitions of purity added to the whole problem making it very hard for the soul to comply with them hence adding to the feeling of guilt and the need to atone for it. Depending on which evolutionary stage the soul is, the soul will manifest this need to atone in varying degrees of dysfunctional or functional behaviors. Within the most dysfunctional of less evolved will be the S&M types of patterns in order to atone. Within the most evolved will be the capacity to internally self-reflect and self-adjust in order to heal and release that are linked to a concept of purity that is aligned with a natural law definitions of it.
1st option of complete resistance:
In this case the soul has been in complete resistance of the core evolutionary desires which will manifest in the soul being in a state of perpetual crises in this lifetime. With Pluto conjunct SN in the 6th in Virgo it could be that the ascendant is in Aries which will confer this soul with a strong instinctual desire to assert its will, to have absolute freedom to take action which will be constantly blocked in this lifetime in order to reinforce the lessons that have been avoided. This can cause extreme frustration and cyclical crises within the soul that hopefully will lead to the necessary self-analysis and purging out that's required.
In this case the soul will still try to come from a purely subjective and egocentric structure that will produce continuous blockages and external negative feedback leading to guilt, victimization, and even violent sadistic behaviors.
Assuming Aries is the ascendant it would also be in a natural inconjunction with the P/SN conjunction pointing once more to the state of crises. Either way there may be a natural inconjunction between the ascendant, whether is in Aries or Pisces depending on the AC degree, that reflects a crisis between the instinctual nature of this soul and that natal P/SN conjunction.
2nd option of fruition:
In this case the soul has mastered the evolutionary core lesson indicated by this NP and it will manifest a state of complete purity aligned with the natural law definition of such a concept in this lifetime. The soul will be an example of humility and self-reflection in this lifetime and it will serve others by helping them uncover their own patterns through analysis, reflection. The soul may be able to follow the Arian principle of taking and initiating all kinds actions because they will be supported by the soul's completion of its core lessons. The soul may be able to have a unique gift when it comes to helping others turn their crises into healing opportunities, helping others release their guilt into healthy ways through self-reflection, self-scrutiny, and by teaching the real meaning of purity.
The soul will be able to take criticism in a constructive way. Being completely humble the soul doesn't feel threatened by it in a subjective way by it and it can model this for others. It can help others with their own resistances to criticism.
This soul can become an amazing Healer in this lifetime bringing the integration of PPP in Pisces/12th and serve with it.
3rd option of mixed reactions of resistance/fruition:
This would be the most common reaction, the soul would've had integrated some of the lessons and resist the others. So the soul is still working through the integration of the objective types of behaviors and the lessons of humility through service and self-adjustment.
The soul will feel consciously or unconsciously guilty when it follows the path that reflects the past, the egocentric/subjective/self-seeking behaviors and may atone for it through attracting external crises or people that mistreat the individual.
In some instances the soul will be able to remain objective and distant which will produce positive internal reinforcement in and in other instances the soul won't be able to remain humble, the ego taking hold and then producing the consequence of crisis or guilt that can lead the soul to self-analysis in hindsight.
The aspect of denial or self-avoidance can be a dangerous one here as the soul can get lost in doing and serving in order to avoid itself and/or its immediate reality which will end up producing crises at the end anyways that can be very frustrating if the core issue of self-avoidance is not addressed. This can have the soul feel victimized and start blaming others for what's happening.
Another expression of this can be the soul never feeling ready, good enough to do what it knows it has to do and end up making eternal excuses for itself, or trying and doing that what it knows it's supposed to do but retreating at the first signs of external criticism that it cannot take in a constructive way which will lead to guilt and victimization.
If Aries is the ascendant it feels that this soul will initiate a lot of new action in order to actualice the core evolutionary lesson and then we can have a combination of patterns where it can become overly involved in order to fill the void, or initiate then get some criticism and retreat in insecurity only to start something else and have the cycle go around again until there comes a moment of realization of the pattern. Or we can have a mixture of both depending on the areas that the soul has acquired more mastery around still showing the need to completely purge out the internal criticism/negative focus.
Or we can have a situation where the soul is truly connected to service to others through a specific job assignment yet having all kinds of crises at the workplace that are a reflection of the internal state of negative criticism and/or atoning for the guilt.
That NP/SN conjunction are also in a natural inconjunction to the 10th house which indicates crisis coming from how the soul is showing up in the world through the roles that it plays or becomes attached to.
The soul will be drawn to purging the subjective patterns and in a way this search for purity is pointing to source (PPP in Pisces) which will lead to discrimination of that which feels in alignment with objectivity and that which doesn't. This search for purity can be projected in all kinds of distorted ways if it's attached to separating desires.
The soul under this condition may have areas where this is aligned with uniting desires with source/objectivity/purging of ego and other areas where it's attached projected upon separating desires.
Hi Everyone,
Deva I'm trying to attempt to write something but I'm having a hard time understanding the assignment and can't seem to wrap my head around it...
I always think about the end point when trying to figure something out... In EA the North Node is the intentions of the evolving ego centric identity it's where the Soul in a deep way longs to evolve towards at least this is how I have understood it... The South Node is where the Souls Ego Centric identity has already been developing and the intentions are to develop the North Node but the Soul feels comfortable in the past and finds security there so it's work it doesn't just happen to evolve to the North Node?
So with the mitigating factors such as the Pluto conjunct the South Node what is the function of the North Node?
In a relive or fruition/relive the Soul desires to move to the North Node but can not? It has to fulfill the South Node First? So intentions of the North Node no matter what can not be moved towards till a person reaches there second Saturn return with mitigating factors there including the possibility of less time when planets conjunct the North Node and possibility of more time added when planets conjunct the South?
There is no other factor such as the Soul focusing on the intentions completely and with Pure Desire that can move a Soul forward? They will still be "blocked" till after the second Saturn Return? Also what do you say to a person with this condition to keep working at it no matter what that the value is in the effort that is the intention of this condition? That the Soul must not cave In to the futility that it feels of self defeat, that that would be staying in the mentality of Victimization?
Also if you looked at a chart that has a skipped step included with Pluto conjunct the South Node would you automatically be thinking a Relive or Fruition/relive applys? Or is that not always the case? If it does apply does the skip step add even more time to the relive condition???
Also how does the North Node Apply here with the Fruition condition?
Also say a planet conjuncts the South Node and its ruler squares Pluto how is this the same or different then Pluto being in direct aspect to the South Node?
Thank you so much for your patience and continuing to teach us here....
Heather
Hi Everyone,
Pluto Conjunct the South Node in the 6th House:
In EA there are 3 mitigating factors that apply to Pluto Conjunct the South Node...
1. The Soul is in a Karmic Relive situation where there has been total resistance to the South Nodes evolutionary intentions and so the Soul has a total redo/ re-live. This Condition being rare
2. The Soul is in a simultaneous Relive/ Fruition Condition where some of the lessons of the South Node are in a Fruition condition while others are in a Relive. This being the most common manifestation of this condition.
3. The Soul has totally learned the lessons and fully developed the South Node and has some sort of special gift or ability in regards to the Sign and House Placement of Pluto conjunct the South Node. This condition is rare.
In all Cases the Soul will be blocked from living the North Node intentions until the second Saturn return. Mitigating factors include planets conjunct the North Node and these could lessen the time of duration or Planets Conjunct the South Node which would increase the time of duration of a relive of the South Node.
Pluto Conjunct the South Node in the 6th House Karmic Relive:
In this condition the Soul has completely avoided learning the lessons of Virgo/6th House Archetype. The Soul will chose to be born into a condition where it will be completely reliving lessons around Victimization, Purification, Self Improvement, Service to the whole, Humility, Self Doubt and Discrimination...
The Soul will come into the current live as a martyr or victim and circumstances/karma dictate that this must be so because for a Soul to move forward with the intentions of the relive and to move eventually to the North Node it has to come to a completely new understanding of how it is relating to these terms and concepts. The Soul has avoided learning all the lessons above and so it will chose a life of Humiliation and through this orientation will be learning about True Humility.
Pluto Conjunct the South Node in the 6th House Relive/Fruition:
In the example used where the Soul is in a Fruition condition when it comes to Service to the Whole and Self Improvement and a Relive when it comes to Victimization and an Inner Critical Focus the Soul will Chose a life where once again they are set up as some sort of Victim/Martyr. The Soul here must also relive being in this reality for the purpose of coming to understand the concepts of True Humility and purging all sense of victimization the difference here will be that part of the Soul has had and continues to have a sincere desire to serve the whole as well as it has been working on self improvement of the 6th house Archetype but has yet to understand fully how it is relating to the concepts of Victimization and its inner critical focus.
The lessons here will be completely around learning who to be of service to and how to be of service. If the Soul is still working on any concepts of Victimization then it of course is going to want to serve/help others through this sort of understanding which means that the Soul is not really helping others grow they are looking to fix them/heal them/ save them. The Soul is learning that through the threads of victimization that still remain that they will be attracted to and attract others who are mired in that same mentality. In this way the Soul will be evaluating themselves deeply through the mirror of what they attract to purge all remaining sense of victimization so that they may learn truly how to help people evolve instead of nursing others victimization/broken wings.
When it comes to the understanding of the Inner Critical Focus the Soul will be learning deep lessons around True Humility. In this case the Soul will struggle with feelings of lack of self worth a deep inner focus of self defeat that is a never ending cycle that attracts blocks from the external environment for the purpose of growth. The Soul will be learning that True Humility isn't born of self doubt/ self defeat through a constant inner critical focus but is born of a Natural Confidence a Natural Assurance... Most likely this lesson will be learned through the Soul not completely understanding what these Natural Concepts are and so they will compensate in ways that are probably rather self protective and come off cocky not Self Confident and of course this Is NOT True Humility and So the Environment will in return Humiliate them take them down about 1000 notches over and over and over again.... This is where the Soul comes face to face with the inner critical focus where it goes from a Soul Groove of inner critical focus that is almost undetectable to being quite obvious. In time the Soul can learn new ways to perceive itself and become Naturally Humble, Naturally Self Assured and learn True Humility.
In all cases it seems the Soul is blocked for a certain amount of time relating to the intentions of the North Node which would be Pisces. This to me feels like the Soul will be blocked from a life of True Purpose and Aligning with the Natural God Until the Soul fulfills the Karmic Requirements and the allotted amount of time it has choses. In all cases the Soul will be learning that to make it through it must kick self defeat to the curb and embrace absolute acceptance of the circumstances that it has created for itself.
In Both the Above Cases this can play out in sooooooo many different ways the possibilities are almost endless and as I was thinking of them I became completely overwhelmed. I know the above examples are very simple but I'm only making it through this learning process by keeping it simple and putting one foot in front of the other as I desire deeply to keep learning and growing.
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Barbara,
Great application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the evolutionary intentions of Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the North Node. The search for purity, victimization, and the externalization of criticism are core themes that the Soul is re-creating relative to the three possible conditions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house. However, please do not add other aspects of the chart such as ascendant, etc to the interpretation as this thread is meant to apply the E.A paradigm one step at a time. We will add more detail to the example chart when we add a sign to the Pluto/South Node conjunction.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflect the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house. Yes, the Soul will spend the necessary amount of time fulfilling the evolutionary/karmic dynamics of the past relative to the three possible expressions of Pluto conjunct the South Node. Generally speaking, this typically takes to the second Saturn return. The mitigating factors you referenced are correct. My suggestion to your question about counseling a client or friend with this signature is to advocate that it's the inner orientation to these requirements that will determine how they are experienced. In other words, encourage the attitude of karmic fruition, and putting as much energy into the resolving the dynamics of the past as possible. This will create a positive experience. For example, the Soul could create a karmic condition in which it can potentially "reap what has been sown." As with any other birth chart, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node symbolize the pull towards the evolutionary future, the underlying psychology that the Soul will develop in order to grow beyond the limitations of the past.
Namaste,
Deva
Ok thank you Deva...
Heather
Hi Deva and Everyone,
i am sorry it took me this time to be able to participate, but i've been having very busy times in the past weeks.
Thank you again for giving me the opportunity to participate and to learn. Each EA assignment is a great learning experience that can only happen with practice :)
PLUTO CONJUNCT THE SOUTH NODE IN THE 6TH HOUSE
Pluto conjunct its own SN - an Introduction
Beginning to approach this special evolutionary condition going from the more general to the particular, i feel it could be helpful to start from the current pluto transit conjunction to it's own south node, impacting our existence somewhere in each individual chart and collectively as whole.
Pluto connecting its own south node shows that every human soul at this moment in time, share a common determination to relive the past in some way. Or, to put it into a collective context, our very individual choices and actions throughout the most recent thousands of years have determined a moment in time of such magnitude that they are no longer understood of "individual scope" but as impacting humankind evolution as a whole, or, a determined moment of necessary collective karmic awareness that we REALLY are on the same boat, and one that is threatening to sink.
Applying the three possible archetypal expressions, we can say this means humankind is collectively facing three possible resolutions:
1. Total inability to make the necessary adjustments about the past, a compete denial of what needs to be changed about the main issues concerning human survival, i.e, the capability to respect and live in harmony with nature, will result in a complete extinction of the species perpetrated by completely obsolete power structures (extreme condition, not common);
2. In the face of crisis concerning the future of human survival, some humans will make the necessary self-reflection that allows them as individuals to search/actualise their own ancient resources and put them at service of the whole, assuming responsibility and taking positive action to reverse this trajectory (positive archetypal expression of the capricorn trine to virgo), while other humans will remain in complete denial of their need for self-reflection regarding their need for harmony and balance responding with victimisation and power abuse (negative expression of the capricorn/virgo trine - easiness to avoid), resulting in major struggle between the two, massive extinction of some species and consequent slow reconstruction, recovery and re-built from what is left (most possible scenario);
3. The total re-live of a gigantic crisis that threaten species survival, generates a global awareness of the need for each human to join individual resources, according to their own karmic and individual signatures, developed throughout many incarnations, in order to create major change, healing and reconstruction of the damages already done to the planet and other humans and species (extreme condition, not common).
It must make us think but i wonder if it will make us act. In our current moment in time, the aires-virgo inconjunct, the difficulty is in keep going forward with small little positive thoughts and actions when there is so much bigger pression for defeat. Some might or not think about it, others might or not act. The first situation is very unlikely because all or the vast majority of us would need to be in complete denial of reality (although some days feel exactly that is what's going on), and the last will also be very idealistic considering not everyone would have manifested the reality, live in such clear state of awareness, to actualise special talents developed through many lifetimes in such a way that the whole benefits, a direct line of access to each soul's "break in case of emergency" kit, if we can put it like that.
Pluto conjunct the south node
With pluto conjunct the south node in the individual chart, a micro version of this evolutionary impasse has reached the limit. This will always be a sign that the soul has decided, chosen, to relive issues and dynamics of the more recent (or far away) past. The conditions of this choice will manifest in the events that will take place in the soul's life, meaning, understanding if the soul is in a fruition, total-relieve or a bit of both, relative to the old dynamics and issues that will surface, can be seen in the choices that the soul takes relative to this issues and if environment surrounding it benefits or not from what the soul has to offer. If those choices relate or not with a developed and actualised PPP and NN. The fact that pluto is conjunct the south node means also that a LOT as happened in the areas/archetypal expressions represented by the south node house, sign and aspects to it.
I remember one answer i read from JWG lectures about this aspect that helped me put into perspective how much has been going on, the experience the soul has from the dynamics and the need to bring matters to a closure with right action (and please correct me if i'm wrong because i'm taking it out memory). JWG was talking about pluto squaring the nodes and said that if the soul does not act and make the necessary choices to resolve the skipped steps, pluto square the nodes, it will end up at some point in evolution with pluto conjunct the south node and be forced to completely relive everything until it is done with it. Which also makes me question Deva, can we assume that this as always taken place? That dynamics leading to pluto conjunct the SN in a re-living condition started with some loose ends at the conjunction and the desire to go full head on the evolutionary intention, to move into the future, picked up at the square and if not then, forcefully dealt with at the south node conjunction? Would it be that the phase of conjunction, new or balsamic, would also inform about the experience and also possible reason for a soul to be in a fruition or re-live state, and aspects help to minimise or accentuate each condition?
Pluto conjunct the south node in the 6th house
Sometimes experience means nothing when we don't learn, reflect and act differently from what we have learned. This is specially important with virgo and the 6th house. Routine, habits and daily actions can become mere repetitions without any meaning, truth or purpose (the natural square to gemini and sagittarius, and pisces pp).
With pluto conjuncting the south node, the soul can be at very extremes regarding experiences of 6th house. To how much or how little has dedicated itself to perform a duty or task that can serve others, and not only itself.
This is also a house of process, threshold, something in development and transition until it is finished. A stage of awareness of what we are not, awareness of the diversity of the world and the acknowledgement of the uniqueness in everyone. The soul cannot remain forever in a subjective state of consciousness where it is the center of its own universe. In the 6th house we are thrown off center until new methods of acting, new processes are developed, to objectively perceive how much our existence is very small (not that is not meaningful) in the greater scheme of things. It will be the exact task of this search to experiencing the essence of natural humility. To fully integrate the pisces polarity point and 12th house NN.
A soul who is truly humble is someone very content with its lot in life. The actual meaning of the word points to someone that is free of pride and arrogance. A soul truthfully in this condition will manifest a fruition of the evolutionary purpose as an ability to benefit many people, even if the work that is being performed is a very simple service, it would be like the essential small piece making the bigger structure run. Because the evolutionary intent is focused on the south node, when much work has been done actualising it, the soul would feel like wanting to move on, even though peacefully cooperating with the flow of life and its demands. When work is performed in this way anything the soul does has a divine quality to it and is perceived by others as special, regardless of the evolutionary state. Special because it helps, heals or serves others without asking for nothing in return.
There will also be a difference between sacrificing itself out of guilt and the need to atone for that guilt and sacrifice simply for the sake of doing the right thing regardless of the consequences for the soul or, as JWG sometimes said, of being "impeccable".
Other times, experiences that point to where life needs change, reform, and reconstruction can feel very difficult.
It is actually curious because the person can feel so much active and busy in the areas of this house, areas that are given a central focus in the soul's life, leaving no time (capricorn) to reflect on what is actually going on when crisis manifests. Crisis correlates then to the natural response to the need to stop, accept, withdraw and self-reflect in order to find ultimate meaning. For the soul to question why is it doing what is doing. Right action wants to replace compulsive crisis.
With the natural inconjunct to the 11th, many unconscious behaviours and compulsive actions can surface, actions that are difficult to integrate in the current reality and from which the soul needs liberation to start anew (1st house inconjunct). This crisis indirectly puts unconscious memories, desires and reality in confrontation. If there have been previous attempts and memories of guilt or negative results, the soul could try to avoid this at any cost. But to actually be free of an old dynamic, something needs to be fully experienced and finished with. Experience brings culmination. Doing different starts the beginning of freedom.
If the soul in a total state of fruition already accomplished this sense of freedom, already invested so much in developing it that whatever it is becomes a gift to others, in a state of total re-living the soul might feel stuck in endless obligations, frustrations and criticism. In this condition, the experience of deep inadequacy and insecurity can further aggravate with unnecessary crisis. For one, life can appear like one crisis after the other with the intent to generate self-reflection as to why it is happening, but at the same time, make the person feel defeat, meaninglessness and lack of purpose.
One of the dynamics contributing to this is the fact that what is essential is left behind to be the last thing to deal with or do. The experience of limitation (capricorn) of resources (taurus), be it of any form, can work positively to purify and focus on what is essential, natural and possible in the current life reality leading to immense fullfiment. Although hardly experienced as such in this condition. It is the way out but very difficult to deal with if the soul perceives limitations from a victimised state of consciousness. If others are to blame for the soul's difficulties, and that has been perpetuated for many lifetimes, the only way out is to forgive (pisces) itself and others to enter a new state of harmony and equality (libra). To go with the process until it passes the threshold. The greatest danger would be to fall again in sadistic or masochistic patterns of acting and relating, possible archetypal expressions of the virgo/pisces axis.
With the evolutionary intention to resolve, to get to bottom line of what is being avoided in order to move on, any small steps taken in this directions can mark the turning point. The fact that the soul can be in both a condition of re-living and fruition says that a process of taking steps has already started but some dynamics still remain to solve.
By way of a pratical example, in the process of writing i kept remembering Jose Mujica, considered "the world most humble president", former president of Uruguay. I checked his map and in fact, Mujica has pluto conjunct the south node in cancer. Even though pluto is not in the 6th house, the themes of humility and freedom seem to be constant in his life and an example to others.
I will leave some of his words from a bbc interview,
"I'm called 'the poorest president', but I don't feel poor ("¦) This is a matter of freedom. If you don't have many possessions then you don't need to work all your life like a slave to sustain them, and therefore you have more time for yourself ("¦)
I may appear to be an eccentric old man... But this is a free choice."
(Link to the interview http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20243493)
Hi Helena,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. Yes, there is a difference between natural humility and what can appear to be humility but is actually veiling an inner sense of lack and inferiority, humiliation. The need to discern between humility and self-undermining behavior is a critical evolutionary lesson symbolized by this signature. The need to discern actual reality verses apparent reality is reflected as well. These dynamics are emphasized collectively relative to the transits you referenced and are a good way to illustrate the archetype. In terms of your question about the skipped steps that could turn into a Pluto/South Node conjunction if the evolutionary changes are resisted, it is my understanding that it is one possible signature that could have proceeded the Pluto/South Node conjunction. The key within this is the prior life dynamics that "set up" the need to re-live the evolutionary desires and intentions of past symbolized by Pluto/South Node conjunction.
Namaste
Deva
Thank you for your comment and clarifications, Deva.
Looking forward to continue!
Helena
Hi Wei,
Please let me know if you intend to post and and estimated time frame to complete. Thank you for your participation on this thread.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
I will post on Tuesday...
Pluto conjunct SN in 6th house
Soul has created ego structure in past lifetimes to align with its evolutionary desires: to improve, purify, humble itself through work function, start the transition of aligning personal will to larger will, be a service to society. Because it's a transition archetype, when the past (1-5th house) meet the future direction (7-12th house), it often create intense crisis which can lead to metamorphosis, the intention of these crisis is constantly purify soul's intention, which can manifest as the EGO being humiliated, criticized, humbled, the ego always feel larger force/power outside itself, the focus switched from individual itself (5th house) to others (7th house), from individual's special talent/destiny/will power to align these quality with environment, soul will start to learn develop these talent/skills according to other's needs, improve them to better serve others. Because of this constant improving process, soul developed capacity to discern, to analyze what's lack, flaws, imperfection, in this way they can work to improve them. And because the Polarity Point is 12th house, God/Source/Whole, through comparison, soul will always feel lack, incomplete within themselves, or deep feeling of aloneness, being separate from something that essentially is the source itself. When the soul actualizes its separate desire, they can compensate this feeling of lack, by always being busy, through working/taking care of others/relationship/crisis to fill the hole, whenever they stop and alone by themselves, this feeling of lack just ever more intense, or create a deep disillusionment of the environment/society they live in, crisis will make soul deeply question itself why, and to analysis itself/environment to the core, then make necessary adjustment. Another crisis may be rooted in soul never feel ready to do what they need to do, when they need to do it, they are trying everything else to keep themselves busy, to avoid the action that can really lead to being service to others in a fulfilled way. In this case, soul will usually experiences blockage, the feeling of something is not right, or create crisis themselves to expose the problem, the area need to be worked on, the part that need healing"¦ these experiences will lead to inner chaos (polarity point 12th house), to a point they have to stop all the distractions, to find out the core reason of these crisis, again leads to adjustment and change, the antidote is to accept itself and the reality of environment, take action (whatever they can do at the moment to improve), slowly, things will transform through time. Souls with Pluto conjunct SN usually have intense self-doubt, because they have been going through this purify process, being criticized, feeling guilty, feeling inferior, less important, focus on their own flaws and so on, sometimes to a point they don't trust themselves, to atone for the guilt they sacrifice their own will/desires for a larger will, they don't allow themselves to actualize soul's desire, in this case, I feel is to know god, the natural law, to realize when they improve themselves align with their soul's desire, with pure intention, that's truly being service to GOD.
Pluto's conjunction to the South Node symbolizes that these core evolutionary intentions can be expressed in three possible ways:
1) Evolutionary/karmic reliving: Soul in this condition has been resistant to its evolutionary lessons, yet each time soul make choices that reflect the past, the resistance, the crisis will be more intense, soul can feel being trapped in the same pattern over and over, seems there is no way out. The intention is through reliving, soul needs to do things in a new way, grow out of the past, the problem would be, they may blame all the crisis to others, criticize the environment, the time they live in and so on. The other possibility is out of self-doubt, not to fulfill its evolutionary intention, not to develop the skills/choose the work they are supposed to do, in this case, they will try everything else, then keep going back to intense inner aloneness, emptiness, crisis, until they make the new choice. I feel "neti neti" meditation would be really benefit them, not this, not that, then what, this inner exploration can lead to the absolute reality, clarity of its circumstances, and what kind of inner psychology(Pluto) create its reality. When Pluto conjunct SN in 6th house, I feel another good practice is to walk circles, the experiences of Pluto conjunct SN is pretty much like walking circles/laps, it seems just repeating, but every time we do it again, the movement itself generate new awareness, new consciousness, nothing is really repeating, the circle can later become spiral, the movement, action, even new attitude can lead to metamorphosis, the change.
2) Evolutionary/karmic fruition: Soul has been working on its evolutionary lessons, in this condition, soul has developed skills/work functions that can benefit others, they can share what they learnt with society, their intention is pure, to be a service to society/humanity. In this case, personal fate is aligned with larger collective fate, feels like soul has to finish the disseminating task, using whatever highly developed skills, to help others, thus repeatedly doing the same thing, same work, when this task from higher will (Polarity point 12th house) is accomplished, then they can move forward, with polarity point in 12th house, I would think they can be more focused on their only spiritual journey?
3) Simultaneous karmic and evolutionary reliving and fruition: In some case, Soul needs to repeat certain dynamics out of karmic reason , or evolution necessity, I feel this reliving cycle can contribute to fruition cycle later in life, for example a soul grow up in a negative family environment that reflect its past dynamic, absorbed all the criticizing, leading to feeling of guilt, lack, never good enough, negative self-image, this will also generate inner analyzing of why this is happening, if this soul can find a spiritual or healing system (Polarity point 12th house), learning to accept who they are, develop a healthier critical thinking, connect to the universal unconditional love to dissolve inner guilt, after this repeating/reliving situation, and self-healing process, they can be great healer for others with pure intention, they can be medium of the healing light, unconditional love, and because they went through this consciously, this direct experiences give them capacity to hold space for others, to accept others as they are, in this way, they will attracted others resonate with their healing, in a way, healing others is healing part of themselves, this experiences will leads to realization of polarity point, that all is one, everyone is interconnected, and when individual's personal work function/social role are connected to a larger will, this can bring fulfillment, soul can feel complete within themselves.
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house. Yes, the early childhood environment can serve to enforce the necessary evolutionary changes symbolized by the Pluto/South Node conjunction. As you stated, it is the response to repeating the dynamics of the past that then determines how it will be expressed relative to the three possible evolutionary conditions. If sincere effort is made to resolving the evolutionary dynamics of the past, then the Soul can manifest a very deep vibration of healing and humility.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step in our practice chart is to add the sign to the Pluto/South Node conjunction. Let's put Pluto in Libra the 6th house conjunct the South Node in the same house/sign. How does the sign of Libra condition the expression Pluto/South Node in the 6th house? The sign of Libra symbolizes the need to initiate relationships, balance emotional extremities, and integrate into the social realm as an equal. It is through comparison and contrast with others that we become aware of our identity, of who are and are not. Within this is the need to listen to others according to their reality, not our own. The core dynamic that creates imbalances and co-dependencies within relationships is the need to be needed. Additionally, we are exposed to the relativity of needs, beliefs, and"realities" of others. This sets up the need to listen to others from their reality in order to know what to give, and what not to give. In the same way this archetype correlates to the need in all of us to be listened to by others in such a way as for others to hear what are actual reality is so that we can be given too relative to what we actually need, not what others think that we need as determined by their own subjective reality.
Relative to Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house the evolutionary lessons of service to the Whole, self-improvement, and humility will take place through the initiation of relationships and within a social context. The Soul will desire to be of service within relationships in some way. However, relative to Pluto in Libra, a state of imbalance and extremity has been created. One possible expression this could take is habitually recycling crisis within relationships. For example, the Soul could attract others who feel victimized by life in general, and create a co-dependency in which the psychology of mutual victimization is sustained. In so doing, both partners recreate crisis within the relationship and become mutually dependent.
Within this, two extremes that can manifest are the counselor/counselee, or the "savior/" "saved." One partner approaches the relationship in an essentially needy way, the "wounded bird," and desires to be perpetually given to, to be saved. The other partner becomes a de-facto counselor, the "savior." This partner compulsively gives to the other who is in crisis in order to offset his or her own fears of abandonment, betrayal and loss (Pluto in Libra). It is important to state that the dynamic that creates both extremities within relationships is the need to be needed. Of course, these two extremes can remain fixed or alternate within the same relationship. In the worst extremes, this can manifest as one partner playing the dominant role and the other playing the subservient role. In both cases, the need to create balance relative to extremities, and to purge the need to be needed is symbolized.
As previously discussed, Pluto conjunct the South Node can have three possible archetypical expressions.
1) Karmic reliving: In this condition, the Soul is in a total relive relative to the evolutionary/karmic dynamics of the past symbolized by Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. For example, the individual is repeating a mutual recycling of crisis and co-dependency within relationships. Imbalance and extremities are also in a state of relive. Most commonly, both partners will feel highly victimized by their life circumstances, and desire to sustain a dependency upon one another in the ways described above. This serves to avoid the inner void and emptiness within. In addition, the individual will undermine, or not apply, the advice given by others because of the underlying desire to sustain a psychology victimization. The Soul will attract partners who act in the same way.
2)Karmic Fruition: In this condition, the Soul is in a state of karmic fruition relative to the dynamics symbolized by Pluto's conjunction to the South Node in Libra in the 6th house. The individual has put so much sincere effort into resolving mutual co-dependency, recycling crisis, and extremes within relationships that they are reaping what was sown. The Soul has a special destiny in these areas. For example, the Soul may have developed the capacity to help others who have been victimized in some way apply self-healing techniques in such a way that the Soul can integrate into the social realm as an equal with others, not on a superior/inferior basis. The individual will have the capacity to listen to others from their reality in order to discern what to give and what not to give. The key within this that a supreme form giving takes place by withholding giving in certain situations. These situations are specific to when another asks for more giving yet has not applied what was given before. In so doing, co-dependencies are transmuted.
3)Simultaneous reliving/fruition: In this condition, the Soul is in a simultaneous state of re-living some dynamics of evolutionary past while others are in a fruition state. For instance, the individual may be reliving imbalances and co-dependencies within relationships, while the dynamics of recycling crisis and service to the Whole are being brought to fruition.
Of course, how these core dynamics are expressed is relative to Evolutionary State:
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, service to the Whole, self-improvement, and initiation of relationships will take place within the mainstream society. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will desire to get ahead of the system through a work function within the mainstream that is service oriented, and centers upon learning the proper techniques and methods to advance within the social strata. It is by "perfecting" an existing practice within the mainstream progression within the social strata occurs. The Soul will reject any techniques that are not socially acceptable, and be highly critical of those that do not conform to the mainstream society. Positively expressed, the work function can become a vehicle through which the individual improves their overall life conditions. In turn, the Soul will helps others do the same. For example, service to the under privileged relative to learning a necessary skill or technique to advance reflects service to the Whole, and egocentric humility. In addition, this becomes a to means to rectify imbalances within the mainstream social realm and personal relationships, to integrate as an equal. Conversely, some will undermine this intention and perform mundane work just to get by due to an intense focus on inner lack and faults.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, service to the Whole, self-improvement and initiation of relationships will take place within an alternative field. In this evolutionary condition, the Soul will desire to liberate and decondition through the work function, and relationships with like minded others. In this way, the work function will be symbolic of the unique individuality, and become a means to integrate within the social realm. For example, service to those who have experienced persecution for being different reflects service to the Whole within an alternative field. This can become a means to counteract imbalances within both the alternative social realm and personal relationships. Typically, the Soul will be highly critical of those that conform, and cannot help but attract criticism from others. For instance, the individual may have the intrinsic capacity to improve existing techniques within a given practice, yet by focusing upon the environment in a negative way draws critical feedback to themselves. Those in the mainstream may consider the changes to far a departure from the norm. In essence, this has the effect of undermining the innovative changes the Soul has the capacity to create. The key within this is to use negative feedback to make the necessary inner adjustment and self-improvement. In so doing, positive change can take and an excessively negative focus can be purged from the Soul. Extremes will then come into balance as the individual integrates his or her unique techniques as an equal within society.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, service to the Whole, self-improvement, and initiation of relationships will take place through service to the Universal Source. Specific techniques are used to unite with God/dess and spiritually develop. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will desire serve others via Its right work as a reflection of service to the Source. Self-knowledge is gained through spiritual development, and through alignment with Timeless, Natural laws as reflected within the manifested Creation. These principles then become the foundation of relationships with others. For example, the natural law of giving, sharing, and inclusion is symbolized by the sign of Libra. In addition, crisis is used positively to affect the necessary inner adjustments. Commonly, the Soul will become "hung up" on all Its imperfections and create excuses, which look like logical reasons, as to why It is not ready to perform the work as directed by the Source, "right work." In so doing, the actualization of right work is undermined, and crisis is experienced. Cultivating a primary relationship with God/dess serves to purge this dynamic, and balance extremes of the past. The Soul will advocate equality no matter what the role, teacher/student, man/women, Guru/disciple, etc.
Please write out in your own words an analysis of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node relative to Evolutionary State. My suggestion is to review Pluto in Libra/7th house in the Pluto vol.1 book. If there are any questions about this next step please ask them now.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in Libra Conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house:
Got to Love Libra
Pluto in Libra demonstrates that a new evolutionary cycle has recently begun and continues. Individuals with Pluto in Libra have been and are learning the lessons of developing objective awareness of themselves and others and to develop their sense of individuality in a social context. They have been learning the lessons of equality, relativity and listening. They have been learning how to listen to another's reality as it exists for them. In learning another's reality they are learning how to give in relation to what others need according to that reality. Within these lessons they have been learning how to participate in relationships as an equal. JWG
Going from Aries to the Leo archetype the focus was on the subjective development of the individual. As one moves into Virgo the focus is on purging and purifying the balloon of self importance so that one can now move into Libra and relate to others in an equal and balanced way.
In Libra the Soul has a deep orientation around needing to be needed and so desires relationships with others and there will be a resistance to being alone and they will feel they can not relate to themselves unless its through another. Through the Libra archetype one is learning ongoing lessons on how to actually be in a relationship on an equal basis and not be dependent on others. Through the imbalance of Libra one can become either the alter ego of the partner or conversely they can desire to control the emotional expression of others and compulsively manipulate the relationship to feel secure. In this way through the Libra archetype once is learning how to objectively listen to others to give to the other that which they need so that the Libra person will get their own needs met in return. This is the opposite when one is imbalanced and is always trying to give others that which it desires which will manifest as external confrontations with others as one projects their own needs and expectations onto the partner. This is a form of conditional giving and love and not rooted in the Natural Libra archetype of Sharing Giving and Inclusion and Unconditional Love.
So now this brings us to adding the Libra archetype to Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house. The original orientation and ego centric identity is one of service to others. The Soul will be geared coming into this life with this deep orientation especially since Pluto is Conjunct that South Node in the 6th the Soul is now experiencing either a karmic relieve or a karmic fruition or a combination karmic relive of some of the dynamics and a karmic fruition of other dynamics so what does this mean.... The Soul in a Karmic Relive or Karmic Combination is learning how its desires to serve are through an Imbalance of the Libra archetype. One can not truly be of service if they are coming from either an over identification with themselves Aries or if they are overly identified with others Libra. It was hard for me to determine which orientation is which as I feel it can be either that the Soul is learning here hence the relive but since in the example of a karmic relive/karmic fruition was one where the Soul was in a fruition when it comes to Service to the Whole yet a relive when it comes to Victimization as well as externalization of an inner critical focus that is where I'm going to go...
How fast do you think a Soul would grow if it lived here on earth alone? Yah it would have peace and quiet and contemplation and no external obligations projected onto itself from others and that does sound nice but isn't it through the mirror of others that one grows the fastest. How many times have you come to realize something about yourself through another person and thought to yourself wow I don't know if I would have every really seen that clearly otherwise? So the Soul will be learning about itself through the objective understanding of others. Since this is a possible relive or combination and we are dealing with Virgo/Libra with the overlay of victimization this sets up the whole possible reality of Sado/Masochistic pathology. The Soul is learning deep lessons around its own self worth Virgo/Libra and individualization Aries polarity in comparison to others Libra as well as its learning Service to others can only truly happen when one is balance. Its like God is saying hey well thanks for thinking of others through service to the whole but honestly your aren't doing me any favors here if your helping others through the imbalance of Libra manifesting as, I would say, masochism in this example which unfortunately can also manifest as a sadistic orientation when one is also trying to control others realities to feel needed or secure or have their own needs met. In a masochistic sense through the orientation of victimization one could be projecting ultimate meaning onto others and be looking to others to be saved or that they are the savior of others in some way. When one is learning balance through the Libra archetype then you have to think of the lower octave of Venus/ Taurus and the inner relationship with once self first as in complete self reliance and then how that gives balance to Libra and giving to others and not needing anyone to complete ones self. Then you also have to look at Libra through Pisces the higher octave of Venus as in Ultimate meaning comes through developing a relationship with the Creator through the sextile to Taurus. This brings me to an important thing to understand here when through Virgo and Imbalanced Libra how one is Ultimately relating not only to itself and others but how its relating to God. Through the Virgo archetype one is learning to Purify itself through self improvement and this purification can only come through what is Natural/Natural Law and when it doesn't then one could through the archetype of victimization expect to be saved by others/God. The point here is that WE are Learning through relationships/Libra that we are Co-Equal/Co-Creators and that in reality we are responsible for saving ourselves, that one can only get back to God through a natural balance of partnership with others and with God. This of course is an extremely hard concept to understand for many when so many have been taught that if you believe in God your saved or if you go to church and admit your sins your absolved, hey go out and do it again next week its ok you gave confession. No through Virgo we learn purity comes through our own directed self effort to purify and self improve by purging those kinds of orientations to life and relating as well as not doing that which the Soul felt was a transgression again. The Soul will be learning that it can not serve others through an emotional reality that is not based on Natural Laws and is based on a sense of victimization and how it has to come to understand itself as responsible for its own reality/own purity/ own saving as a balanced individual when relating to others and the Ultimate other.
I will continue with applying the Evolutionary Conditions and possible mitigating factors shortly.
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Yes, what you have written accurately reflects the core intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. It reflects the evolutionary intentions to discern how and what to give to others relative to the dynamics you have discussed. In addition, the need to give to others, and vice versa, based upon an understanding of actual reality verses the apparent reality is symbolized. The key within this is if we cannot discern the actual verses the apparent reality we cannot receive or give help in a way that supports further growth, thus recycling relationship dynamics of the past that you referenced. Great job so far.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you very much Deva...
Heather
Pluto/Libra/6th House conjunct South Node
This astrological signature indicates that relationship issues will be conditioning the expression of all matters concerning the 6th House. Service to another or others, matters of self-improvement, humility, self-doubt, crisis and the like will take place within the context of relationships.
Pluto in Libra has had a need to initiate all kinds of relationships through which they could learn lessons of relativity, objectivity, listening and being listened to, giving, receiving and knowing when and when not to do so. In summary, there has been a need to participate in relationships as an equal, where people are in relationship because they want to be, and not because they have to be in order to maintain their deep-seated emotional needs. In such relationships, conditional love is replaced by unconditional love, but in most cases, these lessons have yet to be fully learned and integrated. Because Pluto/Libra has unconscious emotional security needs that relationships provide, any unresolved extremes within those relationships will be repeated until confrontation, external or internal, forces one or both partners to examine the underlying issues of why this is happening and take action to resolve matters. This can include one partner leaving or a partner dying in order to enforce the necessary lessons. In cases like this where there are unresolved issues still to be worked out, the couple are destined to meet again in a future life in order to do so.
The dynamic imbalance within these relationships can take many forms and often one partner is dominant and the other subservient. Each person will be unconsciously attracting exactly those qualities in another that will ensure the relationship will stay together, at least for a time, through insecurity and need. In other words, a strong-willed, decisive individual will be just perfect for a timid individual who seems to be incapable of making the simplest of life's decisions, hurt, and in need of a caretaker. In such a case, the subservient partner can take on the values, beliefs, likes, dislikes, etc. of the dominant partner, and becomes another version of them, a kind of mini-me. They have willingly lost themselves in their apparently stronger, more self-assured partner, and that partner is just fine with it. From the dominant partner's point of view, they have attracted a needy, feeble person who they can help by directing and controlling every aspect of their life by telling them what to do and how to do it. It can become so extreme where the subservient partner has to ask for permission before taking any action, and where the powerful partner makes every single decision for them. They have both participated in an unbalanced relationship where the underlying dynamics relate to the need to be needed. In the case of the dominant partner, the outer show of strength is masking the same underlying dynamic of insecurity and fear of being alone and not needed. In cases where each partner is emotionally manipulating the other in their own way in order to maintain the status quo within the relationship, dominance and subservience can rotate between them so that on a cyclic basis the other takes on the opposite characteristics. The subservient one becomes the dominant one, and vice versa. In any case, imbalance within relationships will eventually create internal and/or external confrontations with the intention that such issues are addressed and attempts are made uncover the underlying issues and steps taken to resolve them.
A person with Pluto/Libra/6th conjunct South Node will have a desire to initiate all kinds of relationships in which they can be of service to society in general or within the confines of a small group, family situation or intimate relationship. The issues symbolized in the Libra archetype will be interwoven with the issues symbolized in the 6th House archetype. This can result in the types of relationships where there is always one crisis or another and where one or both partners can feel victimized by life in general or by other(s). As an example of an intimate relationship where these dynamics could play out, maybe one person becomes the sole, primary caregiver to a partner whose physical, emotional and spiritual needs run deep. It's easy to see how the dependency implied in a relationship like this could contribute to each partner feeling victimized and/or trapped by the other and in a state of crisis. Some of these relationships become sado-masochistic in nature with each partner playing out different parts on a cyclic basis.
Karmic Reliving:
If the person with this astrological signature has refused to learn the necessary evolutionary lessons, they are karmically destined to repeat past circumstances, often with the same partner/souls, until, through genuine desire, self-analysis and necessary adjustment, they can move on. Until that decision is made and action taken, they will continue to attract co-dependant relationships that are always in some kind of turmoil. Emotional extremes and dependencies will continue to pervade their relationships along with the resulting crises. It is only through the recognition that they themselves are responsible for their life's circumstances that they will be able to initiate action to change. This will require objectivity, courage and self-determination to face the fear of being alone in an attempt to make necessary changes in themselves and as an extension the nature of their relationships in general.
Karmic Fruition:
When the person has made a genuine and sustained effort to deal with the issues described above, they may now be reaping the rewards of those efforts. In learning how to be an equal in relationships of all kinds, they may now have a special role to play in society by helping others with their own relationship problems and needs. With their inherent knowledge and understanding from prior-life efforts, they will know how to be of service to others without being taken advantage of or becoming subservient. They will know when and how to help people in a way that people actually need, and they will know how to say no to people when they detect others are becoming overly dependant on them. They will know how to listen to others objectively and how to express to others exactly what it is they themselves need. Such a person may also have healing abilities and techniques that they can put to good use in their community or society.
Karmic Reliving/Fruition:
The most common situation is where the person is reliving some conditions from the past and reaping the rewards of past efforts in other areas related to the archetypes symbolized. As described in our earlier assignment, the planetary aspects by house and sign can indicate which areas of life are in a relive condition and which are in a fruition condition. Stressful aspects tend to indicate relive conditions, and non-stressful aspects tend to indicate fruition conditions.
In all of the above, evolutionary state will determine how the archetypes are expressed. Generally speaking, the more advanced the evolutionary state of the individual, the better the understanding of the issues involved.
Consensus:
The initiation of relationships and service to the whole through work function will take place within mainstream society, its values, belief systems and ways of doing things. Whatever is considered normal by society will be the way this person will go about establishing their work function and relationships. As an example, the person may be attracted to one of the trades that has traditional, well-established steps towards becoming a master in their chosen field. This would include obtaining the relevant high school courses, becoming an apprentice and/or going to trade school, getting licensed and finding employment. Along the way, through regular practice of their techniques, they continue to perfect their skills and become an expert. At this point not only are they performing a valuable work function, but they can help their community by passing on what they have learned to others. Through their work and related relationships, they can advance socially within their community and contribute to the well-being of others through apprentice/master relationships. By integrating their work function and personal contributions as an equal member of society in this way, they are cooperating with the evolutionary intentions of their soul. A person in the earliest stages of the consensus state might be unreceptive to new or innovative ways of relationship or work function because of unconscious security issues consistent with their evolutionary stage. Some of these people, as a result of overly-focusing on their inner lacks, faults, imperfections, etc. will just perform any old work just to get by. This, however will change over time as the soul eventually starts to analyze why they are in this situation and what adjustments can be made to improve themselves and get ahead.
Individuated:
The initiation of relationships and the establishment of "right" work function/service will take place in an area of life considered "different" by those in the mainstream. The nature of work and relationships will typically be non-traditional as the soul fulfills a need to decondition and liberate from consensus society, its values, norms, beliefs and the like. They will be attracted to people of like-mind and be open to all manner of lifestyles and work as long as they resonate with them and they are not associated with the mainstream. It will be important for the work/service function to jibe with their particular, unique individuality. Other, non-traditional people living on the edges of society will find a safe space and compassionate attitude with these souls. With their ability to listen objectively to the realities and needs of others, they can help people accept their own differentness in a society that rejects non-conformity in all its forms. In fact, the individuated person who encourages self-acceptance in others no matter who they are, will often be on the receiving end of criticism from others in the mainstream even as they themselves level criticism at the consensus. It's important that they summon the courage to pay objective attention to negative feedback, make necessary adjustments to improve, and continue on. As they move forward in their efforts to find, develop, perfect and integrate their own unique gifts within society, they will help establish equality for themselves and others in society and personal relationships no matter how much others criticize them.
Spiritual:
In the Spiritual state, work function, service, self-analysis, ways and means of self-improvement and the initiation of relationships will all be performed in relationship to and service of Goddess/God. Even at this evolutionary stage of development it is possible that the soul will have all the typical 6th House insecurites such as self-doubt, etc. and not feel ready enough or perfect enough to perform the service work on behalf of God/Goddess. Techniques of uniting their consciousness with Universal Consciousness will be practiced on a regular basis where that self-doubt can be overcome and necessary adjustments made in a continuing effort to cooperate with their evolutionary intentions. These people will strive to maintain equality in all relationships and for some, with their intimate partners, will practice techniques where they can simultaneously experience God/Goddess. As they continue to spiritually evolve, they may find themselves in the position where others see them as being "more equal than others" as the result of unique healing gifts they have. Some may become intoxicated with their own special gifts and believe the same thing, leading to the possibility of future guilt, self-recrimination and enforced humility. However, with the proper, pure intention to cooperate with evolutionary intention and the guidance of Goddess/God, these people can help humanity move towards a more equal society where kindness, love, sharing and inclusion become the norm. In other words, where the embrace and practice of Natural Law can help humanity and the earth return to a state of balance.
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. From my understanding, the degree of self-knowledge (Pluto in the 6th house) increases as the Soul evolves through the Evolutionary States. This then impacts the ability to listen and give back to others (Pluto in Libra) which is reflected in your analysis. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva! DDD
Hi Deva,
i plan to have time to work and submit this segment in a couple of days, maximum by wednesday, if that is ok.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Of course. Thank you for your continued participation on this thread. I look forward to reading your post.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva, so sorry for the delay!!!
Pluto conjunct SN/6th/Libra:
The way the soul will go about resolving the 6th house dynamic will be within the realm of relationships. The soul stays right there at the Natal Pluto location since it's conjunct the SN.
The way libra conditions this dynamics correlates to a soul that's purging out the self-inflated ego, purging out the guilt accrued over past life indiscretions, the conditioned guilt acquired through religious/cultural definitions of purity that lead to an unattainable perfectionism through those that soul relates to. The soul will initiate all kinds of relationships (libra cardinal archetype) in order to do all this.
Libra here is going to emphasize the need for this soul to learn how to integrate in the social arena as an equal. It will emphasize the need for this soul to purge out any type of subjective listening/giving to others... libra here will emphasize the comparison compulsion of this soul where it can lead to constantly measuring itself out with others resulting in a lack mentality.
The soul can create all kinds of crises within relationships where it will experience the extremes that get created when they are approached from a subjective place where we listen and give according to our own reality.
The soul can attract relationships that will have the S&M dynamics where the soul can become victimized by others. This is responding to the internal psychology of guilt and a need to atone for it.
The soul at the same time can attract people that are victimized becoming the perpetrator and thus atoning guilt through anger/violence. This can actually happen within the same relationship where both people alternate.
The soul can attract all kinds of people that are extremely critical and this will be responding to an internal state of criticism pointing to two things: a wrongly oriented search for purity and a psychology of inner criticism...
Healing has to occur through relationships and until the soul is able to come from an awareness of how it's internal reality is responsible for attracting/creating the type of relationships it attracts/creates and does something to change this, the soul will live in a state of perpetual crisis in order to enforce self-adjustment/self-improvement/ego-subjectivity-guilt purging.
Another aspect that has to be healed within relationships is co-dependency issues. The soul is trying to learn the balance (libra) of right (6th house) partnership
(libra).
Depending on which stage of relieving/fruition/combined the soul is these dynamics will show up differently.
A lot of these dynamic can occur through the workplace (6th house) and the relationships the soul has as a consequence of doing a certain job/service.
Relieving: the soul will be in crises/critical/S&M type of relationships... it can be so that the soul feel block to provide the service it feels call to.
Fruition: the soul has mastered all of these dynamics and uses what it learnt to assist and help others heal their relationships/partnership issues. The soul can become a great couples therapist, inspirational speaker around the art of right balanced relationships... and serve others with it.
Combined: some aspects of relating will be healed and some won't. There are many potential combinations here.
I will write on the evolutionary stages soon
Namaste
I would like to add the Pluto in Libra dynamics as I focused too much on the specific combination. Pluto in Libra individuals can be drawn to initiate and be in diverse types of relationships in search of learning balance within them. There's a tendency to co-dependency with this position of Pluto that can lead to all kinds of extremes where one is the strong/dominant/teacher/counselor/helper (6th house) and the other is the weak/submissive/student/patient/needy counterpart. This is based on the Pluto in Libra individual projecting the need to be needed that can turn sour at any time since the imbalance will topple over.
The Pluto in Libra individual can also put too much emphasis in continuously sharing of himself with others, this reflects an inner lack of self-knowledge where the individual doesn't know who it is unless it references back to others.
The main lesson is to become an island of one while still relating to others.
The key here is interdependence in relationships where both partners walk alongside but not enmeshed based on security needs.
Hi Barbara,
This is a good start! What you have written so far accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house. Yes, from my understanding, the Soul must learn to listen to others in such a way as to discern what to give and what not. In addition, the lesson is to give in a way that does not reinforce co-dependencies and imbalances within relationships, but rather cultivates co-equality and mutual independence. This facilitates healing for both partners. In some cases, the Soul will experience denial of its own needs within relationships, not truly being heard from its reality by the partner, in order to enforce this evolutionary necessity (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node). Look forward to reading your analysis of the evolutionary states.
Namaste,
Deva
Consensus Stage: The soul will align with a job function or perform a service that's within the socio-culturally accepted realm of its environment. It will engage in relationships with the same framework.
The soul can use the service/job function to escape its reality around relationship imbalances leading to self-avoidance or use the job function in a way that it fulfills its need to be needed and surrounded by others creating co-dependencies.
The soul may become very adept at certain methods or techniques within a field that can use to help/teach others and this can be used in order to assure that it will have others around/needing the soul's teachings, it can be used to counteract/purge relationship imbalances or it can be simply used to get ahead in society and get what it feels it needs to advance.
Crises will continue to be created within the relationship/workplace realm, one while the other works out or both at the same time.
The soul can become critical of anything outside of consensus as it represents a threat to its security based on the job function/service that it identifies with.
The job function can also be used to keep busy and avoid itself leading to just doing a job without right action being a component to it.
The soul will initiate all kinds of relationships in order to resolve the desires around purging the ego/subjectivity/ within the consensus...
The soul is more susceptible to being attached to definitions of purity and ways of relating that have religious basis that can lead to all kinds of S&M behaviors/ co-dependencies/dominion-submissive/subjective listening and giving according to what external authorities dictate.
Individuated:
The soul will initiate relationships and align with services/jobs that are part of the more alternative/fringes section of the community.
The soul will have a natural rebellion and criticism towards consensus reality and everything it involves.
The soul here can get really attached to a service to the underdog/persecuted groups/ and in a way avoid itself through this service...
Or it can use this to purge out guilt, and resolve relationships imbalances.
Crises producing behaviors in order to resolve relationships dynamics will still be present as the soul moves from subjective to objective equal integration depending on the levels of fruition/relieving/combined...
The soul here is beginning to answer its own questions around relating and it will be more likely to be open to working on becoming more objective in terms of relating, specially if this represents a departure from consensus.
It may go from being totally immersed in relationships to not wanting to do them at all and focusing all that energy into the workplace and relationships that are less intimate... intimate relationships may be too messy to even deal with. Or the soul may make sure there's an exit for every relationship it gets into due to its high expectations of perfection (6th house) which are really fear of having to deal with its own issues that arise with the mirroring effect of relationships (this can happen at the consensus level although a lot less as "marriage, kids, and a mortgage seem to be the accepted norm in most countries)
The soul may still exhibit superiority/inferiority traits here, feeling somehow superior than people in consensus while at the same time victimized by them and/or the system they seem to be in control of. True humility still needing to be learnt.
The soul can become an excellent mediator where it can really help others listen and resolve crises objectively, seeing all sides, ascribing to none...
Spiritual:
The soul will be drawn to a type of service/job that is in alignment with natural and universal laws. It will initiate relationships coming from a place where natural order reigns the art of relating... there's a bigger chance here to get to balance and equality with others. Real humbling takes place in this stage as opposed to inferiority based humiliation.
The soul doesn't feel superior nor inferior to others, it can be equal and there's more self-awareness to turn crises into healing opportunities when they arise.
At the first stage spiritual the soul will have an emphasized awareness of all that it still lacks in relation to others, specially with this position of Pluto/SN conjunction that can push the soul to paralysis where it's never prepared/good enough to do what's it's supposed to do. This again is another aspect of the the need to atone for guilt.
If the soul can go ahead anyways, and other aspects in the chart will determine the level in which this can or cannot be done, then it will be able to serve others as an equal participant where there's an attempt to hear everybody, tend to everybody's needs and so on...
The soul can become an example of right service and balanced relating ...
We can have a similar anti-intimate relationship reaction here though spiritual bypassing. The soul may focus too strongly into the spiritual path, the practice while denying the messy realm of relationships with the excuse that it would be too distracting to the spiritual path... there's still denial and avoidance of this takes place.
The soul will still be involved in other types of relationships through the practice of spirituality where its blind spots will eventually be exposed and have to be dealt with.
The spiritual ego can take hold where the soul becomes the teacher/guru of others leading to ego inflation again instead of what is trying to accomplish. This route will eventually lead to crises due the imbalance of power (Libra) that needs to be restored.
Until all separating desires are extinguished some of these dynamics will show up...
Hi Deva,
i'm really sorry about being delayed but will still need a couple more days to finish.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Deva
I am working on it too, plan to post about Saturday.
Thank you !
Hi Barbara,
Excellent application of E.A! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house relative to evolutionary state. To clarify, in the Consensus State, this can manifest as those who desire to help others improve their overall life conditions. One example of this is service via helping others learn a practical skill within the mainstream. This form of service can then lead to progression within the social strata(s). Yes, from my understanding a form of denial or avoidance of one's inner reality can take place through the appearance of giving to others in the ways you have described.This dynamic can occur within all the Evolutionary States as you have referenced.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Helena and Wei,
No rush to complete your posts. Thank you for your continued participation on this thread.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and Group,
Deva, i'm sorry again for the time it took me to finish the assignment and thank you so much for your patience and understanding,
Pluto conjunct the Sn in the 6th house Libra
Ever since Deva introduced this part of our practice, i've been trying to start by figuring out how the need to be needed meets the need to serve, and why this can represent a dynamic of re-living and repeating, a core dynamic of Libra for a soul in this evolutionary situation, and in all cases a core dynamic of Libra's reasons for lack of balance in relationships.
What is the need to be needed?
In Pluto I, JWG teaches that in Virgo and the 6th house, due to the transitional nature of the archetype, what is subconsciously linked with imperfection and impurity represents issues and dynamics from Aries to Leo, and what is seen as "right and perfect" is symbolised by Libra through Pisces. To make this transition is to be able to function in society as a meaningful equal, developing a natural function that serves the soul and society in equal ways - to give and to receive in balance.
With Pluto conjunct the SN in the 6th house in Libra, there seems to be an ongoing "loop cycle" of adjustment and elimination of relationships that do not seem "right or perfect", or do not serve an illusional ideal of perfection. There seems to be a need to adjust, review and improve (and above all CHANGE) all ideas and mental patterns, mercury, of the meaning/projected needs/self-sufficiency in relationships.
In all cases, there can be excessive self-criticism or criticism of others in situations and relationships, preventing growing and improvement. The laser-like mind of pluto in the 6th house might continuously get in the way of the healing desires of the soul, magnifying crisis, failures, emotional wounds or mistakes made by or to the soul, in some cases perpetuating the victimisation way of living and understanding reality.
It the situation of a re-living condition, this is actually a doubled evolutionary impasse because the soul has been trying to go forward, Libra, without dealing with the actual needs of the transitional archetype - humility, self-reflection and improvement.
In order to try to understand the underlying reasons for this impasse it will be useful to go back a little again and get a wider perspective of Pluto in Libra souls in the context of our evolution.
Having Pluto in Libra myself, i've questioned many times the evolutionary meaning of the natural square from Pluto in Libra to its own south node in Capricorn. In an ultimate sense, this seems to implicate souls that have continuously experienced times in our evolutionary past of much inequality and extremes: dominance/subservience, scarcity/abundance, victim/abuser, relative to all kinds of human relationships and relationships to Nature/Source. Of course, the square being from Libra to Cancer/Capricorn we must also remember the transition from matriarchy to patriarchy, and all gender inequality therein as also a fundamental distorted imprint in the soul's consciousness.
With this in mind, a soul with Pluto in Libra in the 6th house, conjunct the south node of the moon in a natural square to Pluto's own south node, can feel lost (if in a re-living condition) in going from one extreme to the other, never being able to find any balance, any equality, in the roles of a partner, friend, worker, man or woman. In some situations experiencing power, others feeling powerless. The soul will tend to have a unnatural or distorted view of its role in relationships and work/social function, either emanating from inner judgments based on man made laws or beliefs; or natural guilt from natural law's violation.
If we think that imbalance actually reflects partiality, only to be able to see one side of the story and not being available to hear the other side, and maybe in this condition also to focus so much on perfecting itself (or the imperfect self), hear itself, that the soul loses real sight of the other's actual reality; much of the work that has not been done is to instinctively act (Aries PP) on eliminating any relationship dynamics that enslave the soul to a pattern of subservience or dominance and prevent new ways of healthy relating and integration.
To put it in another way, from an evolutionary point of view, the soul has not been able to succeed at this if instead of acting on its own desires and needs, from a perspective of maturity and self-sufficiency, expects to find its own worth reflected in others, society or God. Performing a role, a duty, instead of being itself, enjoying itself in the relationships with others. Possibly creating an illusory sense of self-worth taken from how much or how little other's need and are dependent from the soul.
The need to be needed feeds the inner void that, if otherwise courageously felt and dealt with, will give the soul no other choice than to remove, purify and eliminate, all that is not right from a perspective of harmony and equality. Instead of complaining or blaming others (which in reality can reflect to complain and blame itself for maintaining the situation or relationship), to honour the desire to improve and take responsibility for itself.
When the soul has mastered this inner state, in a fruition condition, it is the greatest teacher to others, not allowing anyone or anything to diminish the soul's value. This does not mean that the soul will be selfish, but instead that is able to correctly discriminate when to give and when to hold giving.
From EA's perspective, a balanced expression of the Libra archetype can mean that sometimes, when others keeping asking and asking without working from what has been previously given, to not give is a superior form of giving. If i understand it correctly, to be able to do this is to be able to listen to the other from its own perspective first and then consider what is being asked according to what feels right for the soul to give. If the soul as not asserted first what feels right for itself, its own pace, its own limits, how can it identify boundaries when it comes to others, other's realities, other's pace?
To honour personal boundaries in the context of relationship is a way of moving fast-forward from the transitional to cardinal archetype - even if it is new and untried, there is no way a for a soul to be giving too much when giving comes for the desire to give and not from a perspective of need. There is giving for the sake of giving, of sharing, and there is conditional giving, which is giving for the sake of receiving, taking.
The key would be to be whole, centred, balanced, before engaging and relating. The mercury/virgo function here would represent the desire within the soul to get the right tools for this understanding to occur and to put them into practice.
Pluto conjunct the SN Libra 6th house through the Evolutionary States
In macrobiotic philosophy, as an underlying principle, food is understood as an expression of the yin or yang complementary energies of the universe, male and female polarities. In this philosophy, to able to live in harmony with ourselves, nature and others is a direct reflection of the choices we make of what to eat that will influence our behaviour and mood according to the quality of the energy we take in. To be able to select and choose foods that are already a balanced expression of this energy and diminish or avoid others which represent energetic extremes, making us for instance to much aggressive (yang) or too much passive (yin). Studies taken in prisons are interesting showing links between violence reduction and balanced diets.
How pluto in libra in the 6th house can this be? Not being in any way an expert in the matter, i really like this example because it can be applied as symbolic and transverse to any evolutionary state.
It will be crucial for any soul with this karmic/evolutionary signature to exert some selection, knowledge and discrimination of what to take in, because that will have a direct impact in the immediate external and internal reality, living circumstances and health, specially with the 6th house.
In the consensus state, the soul might have to select how much to take from the mainstream way of living and consuming, as any judgment emanating from religious beliefs. The work needs to be adjusted to society's needs in conformity to the soul's needs. In essence, whenever the soul neglects its own body's physical needs in favour of any demand emanating from others - family, partner, work - signs will be shown of exhaustion and the need to stop. Energy levels won't be stable with pluto in libra in the 6th house. Guilty patterns that concern others beliefs, specially from a religious background need to be re-shaped, adjusted, to what is actually true and has meaning in the soul's life. As well as work that provides living processes and routines that are the most natural as possible, having close contact with animals and plants.
In the individuated state, the soul will have to choose and select an alternative life style that honours the right to be different in healthy ways and not just an outsider with a masochistic/sadistic state of consciousness. It is possible that drugs or any kind of need to escape, emanating from 12th house PP, have been a backup and can pose serious challenges for the development of personal harmony and balance. In this case, the work of the soul is to be able to have conscious decisions of what makes sense for the soul in an expanding consciousness search, or what is just a routine or habit consumption. Relationships that are healthy won't drag the soul down a path of self destruction or dependency but instead make the soul feel alive, fulfilled and understood. The soul will also need to search and develop a work function that benefits close others and society by improving it in some way, possibly with practices, activities and discoveries in the field of the relationship between man and nature, technology and communication.
In the spiritual state the soul will need to improve its relationship with the Source in a way that integrates others and is at service to others. To make a clear distinction between service and sacrifice, re-evaluting its own relationship with God/dess . About this i remembered the Great Master Sri Yukteswar's words in Autobiography of a Yogi:
"A beggar cannot renounce wealth," Master would say. "If a man laments: 'My business has failed; my wife has left me; I will renounce all and enter a monastery,' to what worldly sacrifice is he referring? He did not renounce wealth and love; they renounced him!"
I feel that to be able to improve spiritually, in any human condition, is to develop a relationship with the source that does not come from a needy or victimised perspective. In this relationship, God/dess manifests no conditional giving, so we just have to listen. I suspect that a soul with Pluto in Libra 6th house in a fruition condition in the Spiritual State will be a Master among us, we will just have to listen.
Hi Helena,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. Yes, a core evolutionary lesson is to purge playing into social expectations and roles (square to Capricorn) relative to the dynamic of giving; when to give and when not (Pluto in Libra). By only giving when it feels natural or right to do so, and withholding giving when it does not, the Soul can achieve an emotional state of balance verses extremity. The psychology of crisis and victimization can also be transmuted (Pluto in the 6th house).
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in Libra in the 6th House conjunct the South Node Continued...
The Pluto in Libra generation in general is learning balance in relationships and learning how to be an individual with in a relationship... They are learning about others and themselves through relating and how and when to give and when not to give by listening to and understanding others reality. So with Pluto in the 6th house in Libra conjunct the south node the soul will be learning, as Deva shared, how to discern the actual reality of another in contrast to the apparent reality of another as to understand how to give to another what the other actually needs instead of what one thinks the others needs in return ones own needs will also be met in this way....
This sent my mind on a little tirade as I completely came up against my own understanding from what I have experienced, that others are so caught up in maintaining some exterior that does not match their interior reality that its really pretty hard to actually discern anothers true inner reality. I mean how many of us are truly physic or can read anothers mind? Giving to another can only come from a true understanding of what to give based on anothers actual reality not apparent reality, well then we all really have our work cut out for us now don't we....
Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the south node in Libra will be learning the lessons of Virgo through relationships with others... The 6th house Virgo archetype wants to be of service to others this is the intent of this placement to be of service but service can only come through discerning reality, self improvement, true humility, purging all sense of victimization and externalization of an inner critical focus. Through the lessons of relation to others the Soul will be learning to discern others reality as to know how and what to give to others, how to actually be of service Pluto in the 6th in Libra.... This service can only truly come from a balance of the Libra archetype where the real issues stem from one being overly concerned with others, overly interested in others, overly invested in others, the need to be needed within mixing these two archetypes Libra/Virgo causes these extremities in relating to others when to two are not balanced and in harmony. To truly be able to start to work through this and gain perspective the Soul will first be learning to discern Its own reality, as one can not truly come to understand anothers reality if it doesn't understand itself first. The Soul with this placement could be learning lessons around relating and giving to others to recover its true and pure self. If the Soul has over invested in giving itself away to others due to a feeling of inferiority then the Soul will continue to feel victimized by others. This is where the Soul will be learning through the Libra archetype that it must supply all of its own needs first. The Soul will be learning self improvement and a purging of unbalance Virgo Libra through loving the self firs, nurturing the self, becoming self secure, being able to stand on its own with out needing others to fill the void. The Soul will be learning to take back who they are outside of others. Of course this placement could also be that the Soul is learning deep lessons around giving to others not from a place of self interest as well but once again being able to truly give to others comes from being self secure and not from a sense of needing to be needed or giving to others to get something in return. The Soul here is looking to purge and purify all imbalances when relating to others as well as how its relating to the environment, as in nature our planet.
The Soul with Pluto in Libra will be learning how to come to understand that the Pluto in Libra generations general population is invested in promoting a complete imbalance of relating to others. Its everywhere you go and look, on TV, in Books, Movies, Family, Friends, Teachers, Children, its a generation invested in Unrequited Love that is projected onto others as wanting to be saved or wanting to save others, especially when we add this to the Virgo archetype. A generation who has absolutely become obsessed with Others to the point that the True Self is lost completely. When a Soul becomes overly interested in others or obsessed with others you see them always getting into others business, worrying to much about what others are doing, always trying to help or fix others or others problems, gossiping about others, interfering with others, worrying over what others think or say.... This is where the Soul will be learning that relating to others comes to understanding and improving upon itself and its relationship with itself first, To actually take itself back outside of others, this is where the Virgo archetype pulls the Soul into itself to deeply look at and analyze these things. Being able to give to others comes from giving to the self all it needs outside of others first to become completely solid grounded in a true natural and pure understanding of ones own true Soul Nature. Once a person learns these lessons and becomes solid in themselves outside of others then one can truly be of service to others. Then one can truly know how and when to give to others and what to give. This is when a Soul will learn to be the most Naturally giving of all, not because it needs to be needed but because the person just wants to give their is no ulterior motive or agenda, the Soul isn't looking to fill an inner void or emptiness, they have learned to fill themselves first so they can truly be of service to others in a natural and balanced way.
Karmic Relive:
The Soul has either completely given itself away or has not learned the lessons of sharing giving inclusion... The Soul will be learning the lessons of Virgo/Libra through crisis in relationships with others and could even possibly be reliving relationships with others from past lives where these imbalances manifested...
Karmic Fruition/Re-live:
The Soul has learned some of the lessons of Virgo/Libra through an understanding of a desire to be of service to the whole but has not learned the lessons of balance in relating to others. The Soul here once again will be learning the lessons through crisis in relationships and may pull in and repeat relationships with others from the past to work on continuing to purge all sense of Victimization and externalization of an inner critical focus....
Karmic Fruition:
The Soul has truly come to understand the Virgo/Libra archetypes and truly has a special gift of service when relating to others and will continue in this direction.
Consensus:
In the Consensus state the Soul will desire to be of service to others by first improving upon itself and gaining the desired knowledge or credentials to move up the social ladder. The Soul will want to balance its own needs with others needs and will desire to be of service to others and help others move up the social ladder as well. The Soul here will be providing some sort of service to others and learning to balance relationships...
Individual State:
The Soul here will be learning to be of service to others through breaking free from Consensus reality to become a complete individual unto itself. The Soul will be learning balance in relation to others through others of like mind who are breaking free from consensus dictates as well when it comes to who and how one Is relating or in relationships. Service to others comes through helping others feel security with being different to become their own person or individual to learn to balance ones own needs with others.
Spiritual State:
The Soul here will be learning service to others through relationship to ones self and the Natural God. The Soul will desire to be of service by purging all that is unnatural through self improvement and learning to completely supply all its own needs... The Soul here is looking to be of service to itself to Nurture itself and balance its desire to help and serve others through becoming self reliant and whole outside of others. It will be learning it cant Save anyone but itself and that no one can save them as well. Once the Soul learns this balance then they will start to see and discern there own reality and others reality and truly come to understand how and what and when to give to others and when not. The Soul here will desire to be of service to others by learning to become pure and whole and teach others in some way.
Thank you,
Heather
Thank you, Deva!
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of Evolutionary astrology! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. Yes, from my understanding the Soul progressively gains self-knowledge (Pluto in the 6th house). This then creates the ability to discern its actual reality, and the knowledge of when to give and when not. Ultimately, the individual can then initiate relationships where a balance of giving and receiving can take place, and each partner has the ability to identify the actual needs and reality of the other.
Namaste,
Deva
Ok thank you Deva...
Hi Deva and everyone...
I am so sorry for delaying I will post on Friday, I have hard time writing........trying to do my best stay committed to this thread, break my own pattern of giving up easily.... Thank you so much for your patience
Wei
Hi Wei, please continue with this thread. I am sure I am not the only one who loves having you here and gains a lot from your participation. Thanks. :)
Hi Wei,
I second DDD! I look forward to learning from everyone on this practice thread, keep working at it, I have an extremely hard time writing and doing the EA work as well but I just keep working at it and I feel we are all growing and learning because of the effort.... I look forward to your contribution...
Heather
Hi Wei,
taking also from DDD and Heather's words, just wish to say that i always appreciate and learn much from what you write. It is actually kind of funny but one of the things i like most about your writing is that it looks effortless and natural :)
I'm sure most of us share the difficulty in writing, practicing EA and adjust that to our daily routines and demands, and right now i know i do! But i feel, once we find a little space or make a little space ;), this time i am focusing on the EA paradigm and trying to apply it is very grounding.
Helena
I just want to chime in with the rest Wei!!! I don't think I'm the best writer either..;) we are just doing the best we can and I enjoy learning so much from you and the rest. Everybody has such an unique take that it always brings something new to the table!! Sending loads of love and encouragement!!!!!ðŸ'–ðŸ'–ðŸ'–ðŸ'–
Thank you so much DDD, Heather, Helena and Barbara for your encouragement, I am so grateful, also enjoyed so much learning from all of you. I am definitely keep working on it.
QuoteIt is actually kind of funny but one of the things i like most about your writing is that it looks effortless and natural
Helena, I wish i can do that at any moment! When i write from intuitive way i do feel more clear and natural, i need to practice more and quiet my mind, so i can enter that state easier...
Pluto conjunct SN in 6th house Libra
Soul has been learning lesson of being humble/being service/integrate its ego to larger society through various relationships. Soul may be incarnated into a family that require them to always be aware of other's need, to be a service, to listen, or parents are very critical, that the individual constantly receives negative judgement, constantly under pressure to improve, and feeling lack, not good enough, become very sensitive and aware of their flaws also other people's flaws. There can also be conditioned love, that individual always need to work for approving, there is a psychological imprint that just being themselves is not good enough. Under this sort of emotional and psychological imprint, individuals may form very problematic imbalanced relationships, through constant crisis to navigate how to truly enter any relationship equally. There can be 2 extreme way of relationship, either individual with this signature out of feeling of inferiority/guilt/low self-esteem, playing servant role, or out of anger that being victimized by environment/others (especially parents), playing the dominate role, project these anger to others and blame others for their problems, both dynamic are ways of exhausting separating desires, trying to go extreme to balance what they feel inside. These roles, ways of entering relationships of course will cause constant crisis, out of their own insecurity, they may create crisis to push others away (because the inner dialog that they don't deserve love, no one will accept or love them as who they are), they may constantly want to be useful to others and completely lost themselves yet still not meeting other's standard, then create inner crisis and deep aloneness, or if they are playing counselling role, the partner may start to break the co-dependency, not need the service they provide anymore. At the same time, because Libra, there is high level of dependency and desires for being in relationship, need to be needed, so in one case, a person can fill inner emptiness with one relationship after another, realizing they are repeating same patterns, or a person can deeply commit to one relationship, in order to sustain the relationship, they will start to ask questions why, and through exhausting going extreme to be dominate or submissive, they will start to explore a third way, healthy balance, and in that process, they will know balance is not a permanent state, it requires constant work, adjustment, communication, listen to others objectively, to meet each other in the middle, when they start to focus on positive action, the crisis will be reduced, or less intense, and their relationship can improve, and they can be authentic healer/counsellor for others going through same problem. Another theme for these individual is work function, because of the early environment, they were always required to put others needs first, they may intent to choose careers to please others, criticize their true passion, or feel they are not allowed, not ready, not good enough to pursue their dreams, at the same time, a lot of people with this signature has tremendous talent in certain area that has never been noticed or validated by others. Again, when they are filling their day to help others, doing tedious job that has no meaning to them, solve crisis and so on, the feeling of inner void would create intense emotional crisis, a Sisyphus dynamic, feeling being punished to live their life, they will going into deep analysis through comparison with others, they will attract some people whose opinion reflect their own self-judgement to reinforce the difficulty/entrapment, and then others, will actually support them, reflect the deep inner wish to transform the old dynamic, help them to build inner security/confidence/courage to tap into that future direction.
Karmic Reliving:
In this condition, soul has been resistant of evolution, unresolved dynamics are recycling themselves, play out in different crisis, past are projected into present then create same future, soul experiences complete blockage, trapped in constant crisis state. I feel the underline dynamics is on one hand, the soul desire to embrace PPP, to instinctually experiences source, to transform the way they relate to their environment, on the other hand, they resist to make new choices, it's like JWG wrote in Pluto book "Many of these individuals have approached spirituality in prior lives, but this approach has normally been associated with cycles when a crisis was so extreme nothing else would work except a spiritual perspective. Yet, as soon as the crisis blew over, their commitment to the spiritual point of view faded away with it." In this case Pluto in Libra, crisis would typically manifest in relationships, for example, in work relationships, they constantly switch roles either being overpowered or being extremely critical and controlling, that no work relationship can sustain for long time. Or in intimate relationships, they can form sadomasochist relationships, experiences emotional/physical/psychological abuse, or being abusive. Both case, the extreme pain/shame of being victimized, or the guilt of harming others (that others will finally leave, or expose these dynamics, may leads to social judgement) will force them to deeply analysis relationship dynamics, to look at objective reality, because blaming others/being denial/bury problems/feeling extremely bad about themselves won't work anymore, they have no choice but to change, learn to listen to others, learn to discern who to (not to) form relationship, when to (not to) give, how (how much) to give, how to receive, also to objectively see the reality of any relationships, a lot of individuals have deeply self-doubt, they see partner as de facto god who has things/quality/power they feel they are lack of, in this case, when they start to see the partner as equal ordinary person with flaws, then they can break the role paly that sustained the imbalanced relationship, both individual in this kind of relationship needs to adjust their inner self-image, value, self-worth (Libra Venus function), and feel complete within first, then they can go into relationship, knowing objectively what they can offer/help the other, what both people's flaws are, they can give very constructive suggestions to others for their relationship to grow/improve in every stage. Also the Libra archetype reflect their relationship to environment, to their work, and society, at this condition, they may constantly attract negative feedback, until they realize that these feedback are actually created within, either through absorbing, negative self-image shaped through being criticized/ prosecuted/humiliated, or to atone the guilt being over criticized to others, and only when they can identify the why of these problematic situation, emotion, they can make adjustment to inner dynamic, and start to attract people/environment that are more supportive, they can feel fulfillment in their work/society.
Karmic Fruition:
In this condition, because soul has already learned the lesson, and practicing analysis ability, they can diagnose the bottom line problems of themselves and others in any situation objectively, also what need to be done to improves these situations. They can use this talent either in personal relationships, truly listen to others, and provide resolution from the other's point of view, being humble at the same time with healthy boundaries, they may attract others who are in deep crisis, they will help these people to find balance within, to resolve these crisis within themselves, and they will know when to provide help/guidance, when to withhold, also because the ability to communicate, to use precise words that can penetrate to others, the tone that can be accepted, and the ability to relate to different type of people, they can really provide selfless services in any kind of relationship, bring healing to others. In work function, other than they are natural counsellors, in any kind of professional field, they can see things from different perspectives, they are good at negotiating, balancing different needs, deeply aware people/product/company's advantage and shortcomings, and how to improve in any stage and condition, how to resolve any crisis. In this condition, the Libra relationship, is truly through work function, form a relationship to GOD, being service to others is being service to GOD.
Karmic Reliving/Fruition:
This is the most common condition with Pluto/SN conjunction. In this condition, soul may feel swinging between being truly humble, sincerely desire to serve others/humanity in their own way, and being defensive criticize everything because of the feeling of victimized by others/society. This can also played out in relationship dynamic, idealize/dependent on others then criticize attacking other's flaws, then objectively know the reality of others, and commit, willing to work when any issues comes up within relationship, the crisis, reliving stage always expose unresolved dynamics, and what need to be done to improve/purify/grow, they can use the karmic reliving stage constructively, in long term, they are able to find the inner peace (PPP in 12th) even during the crisis situation, because they can understand the whole picture, that's identify with the ocean instead of the wave.
Will post different evolutionary state soon.
Thank you so much for bearing with me! :-*
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written so far accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node. Yes, avoidance of one's inner reality may manifest in the ways you have described. As you mentioned, this just recreates the same crisis habitually. Great job. I look forward to reading your posts on the evolutionary states.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step of the practice chart is the planetary ruler of the South Node. In essence, the planetary ruler of the South Node, buy house and sign locality in the natal chart, symbolizes how the South Node has actualized itself prior to the current life. In our example chart, the planetary ruler of the South Node in Libra in the 6th house is Venus. Let's put Venus in the 8th house. What is the primary archetype that has been used to actualize the South Node in Libra in the 6th house conjunct Pluto? Simply stated, transmutation of pre-existing limitations, development of psychological knowledge, and intense internal/external confrontations are the core dynamics that have been used to develop the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node.
Venus in the 8th house symbolizes the desire to penetrate to the "bottom line" of current relationship patterns, to understand the "why" of those patterns. The Soul will have a naturally psychological focus. Within this, the individual will evaluate where another is inwardly "coming from," their motivations, and why. JWG has called this archetype the "eagle eye" which can zero in on, or magnify, any dynamic which the Soul focuses upon. Commonly, the individual will experience intense internal and external confrontations in order to expose his or her pre-existing limitations. Positively, evolution beyond those limitations can take place through the nature of these confrontations. Negatively, the individual will resist the necessary changes due to the emotional security that maintaining these patterns provides, and remained locked into the patterns of the past. Manipulation can then potentially occur to sustain these patterns.
In addition, this can manifest as a psychology of "trapping" or being trapped. In the context of Pluto in Libra in the 6th hose conjunct the South Node this has and will occur within relationships. The individual may present him or herself to the other as the vehicle to heal wounds of the past. In this situation, the Soul uses knowledge of the partner's weakest psychological link to promote a dependency. Conversely, this can also manifest as being trapped by the partner. Experiences of power and powerlessness are reflected by Venus in the 8th house. The key within this is to purge these limitations through mutual self-empowerment and elimination of victimization (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, planetary ruler Venus in the 8th house). The Scorpio, 8th house, Pluto archetype symbolizes experiences of abandonment, betrayal, loss, and violations of trust. One reason this may occur is misapplication of trust. The lesson within this is to discern whom to trust and whom not in the context of initiation of both social and personal relationships.
Often, the rug of emotional security is removed in some way to induce the necessary growth. For instance, the counselle may leave after their needs have been meet, and the counselor is left with the famous "empty bag." Violations of trust within the relationship may occur as well. Of course, the partner could terminate the relationship because the individual was unable or unwilling to change in the ways previously described. In either situation, evolution beyond the Soul's pre-exisiting limitations occurs through these experiences. In the best cases, the individual will motivate others in a non-manipulative way to purge patterns of behavior that are inhibiting further growth. In so doing, commitment within an intimate relationship will manifest.
Consensus: In the Consensus State, this will manifest as transmuting limitations, development of psychological knowledge, and self-empowerment within the mainstream. The Soul will use the knowledge of how society is structured and operates in order to progress within the social strata. For instance, the individual could form relationships with others who have acquired a high degree of social power into order to gain the necessary psychological knowledge of how the system is structured. In so doing, advancement within society, and self-empowerment within relationships will take place. Positively expressed, the individual will commit to a service oriented work that allows integration into the social realm as an equal (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in the 8th house). Conversely, the Soul could recycle the dynamics of power and powerlessness, use psychological knowledge in a manipulative manner for self-gain.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, this will manifest as transmuting limitations, development of psychological knowledge, and self-empowerment within the alternative movement of society. In essence, individuation becomes a vehicle to purge past patterns that are inhibiting further growth. The Soul will naturally desire to bond with others of like mind in order to absorb psychological knowledge within an alternative field. For example, alternative forms of therapy such as past life regression, astrology, and Gestalt are all possible fields that reflect liberation from the mainstream. Positively expressed, the individual will use this knowledge to help others who have experienced persecution for being different to re-empower and individuate (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in the 8th house). In a negative expression, the Soul could undermine the need for individuation through resisting the necessary changes, and sustaining dependencies with groups of like minded others and personal relationships.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, this will manifest as transmuting limitation, development of psychological knowledge, and self-empowerment through union with the Source. Psychological knowledge of Universal, Natural laws as reflected in the manifested Creation is gained through spiritual development. In this way, evolution beyond past patterns that are inhibiting further growth takes place. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will naturally desire to help others through knowledge of Universal principles as a reflection of the desire to serve God/dess. For example, the individual could advocate healing through purging the conception of Source as perfect and the Soul as imperfect, and advocate the natural conception of Source as simultaneously imperfect and perfect, as an evolving force. As JWG teaches, how could a perfect anything create an imperfect anything. Sado-masichisitic psychology. inferiority/superiority, extremes are then eliminated. In addition, the individual will embrace right work as directed by God/dess and self-empower via alignment with Natural, Universal principles (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in the 8th house). Negatively expressed, the Soul will resist the necessary changes by undermining its right work and maintaining the imbalances within relationships, student/teacher, Guru/disciple, etc.
My suggestion is to review Pluto in Scorpio/8th house, and then write out in your own words an analysis of Venus in the 8th house as the planetary ruler of the South Node.
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva!
Consensus State:
In this state, individuals are in training within professional field that are validated by society, they may be raised in a family environment, that they are constantly compared to other kids, whatever skills are popular at the time, they would be required to improve that skill, mostly likely, even when they are kid or in school years, they have very busy schedule, there might be imprint from parents or society, they need to be perfect (or better than others) at everything to be secure, and insecurity of themselves/their worth/ability to contribute to society coming from constantly compare their shortage to other's advantage, never able to meet parents/others expectation. In work field or society, they may continue being underestimated, they may be hardest worker yet receive very little recognition, they may keep being attracted to environment/relationships that mirrors this inner feeling of lacking, inferiority. I feel with the Libra archetype, through deep inner crisis and mental analysis, the person has gained enough knowledge about others opinion, to balance that, they have to cyclically going into solitude, find a stable and empowered state of self (embrace PPP 12th house Aries), in this way, when they go back to work environment, or various relationships, there would be a focus centered self, then they can listen and discriminate what opinion are relevant to them and their work function, adjust how they can receive the feedback, criticize from others, and make positive action out of it, the intention would be purified to self-improvement, better to serve others, other than to please others, or trying to prove themselves to others. In this way, they will enter relationships/work environment in an equal way, and their contribution will be appreciated, and seen as indispensable in their environment/society.
Individuated State:
In this state, individual will have more challenge relationship even intense conflict with their environment/society/mainstream way of living. They will challenge the standards of normal, I.E what's perfect relationship, what is a good job, how should people interact with others, all kinds of rules within work environment/society, the relationship between employer and employee. The positive expression would be they can align with like-minded people, expose all the problems, distortions within these mainstream social norms, demand to improve and purify to natural/ balanced/healthy standards. The problem might be, they go to another extreme, criticize people with mainstream value, downgrade them, playing oppressive role gaining sense of power/security through making others inferior, this then can create reaction, that even they are very talented, they can't relate to society, other's needs, they may experiences blockage in society, the lesson is to understand other's reality, understand there are different level of consciousness, yet every person has its value/position in society, when they can treat others equally no matter their social/financial status, and consciousness level, they can see where others come from and what's their potential for future growth, they can help others to recognize their talent and where/how to improve, and find their unique individual way to integrate to society. Through their work function, they can gradually create new reality of social norm, they can help others to find the equality, real balance in any relationships.
Spiritual State:
In early stage of Spiritual state, individuals will typically feel they are tiny grain of sand on a vast beach, they may compare themselves to gurus, other great people in society, ultimately GOD itself, feeling they are not ready yet, not good enough to provide services their souls desires to do. They do need to cyclically enter inner peace, to connect to GOD, gaining courage and inspiration (PPP 12th house Aries) from larger force/universe. When they provide healing/services with pure intention to serve humanity/source, they will attract individuals provide positive feedback, further assure them that they are on the right path, they will gradually understand they are good enough at each stage of their evolution, they always has something to offer to certain people, their services are always needed. In more advance stage of Spiritual state, I feel their path reflect that the evolution of humanity, of Source itself on the process to purify/improve itself towards perfection. In this state, individuals can have tremendous sympathy, and manifest unconditional love towards humanity, they carry natural medicine to heal all different kind of wounds/trauma, they can truly see everyone and treat everyone (also animals/nature) as equal, and serve others what they really need, they are master healers, because they have the ability to relate to people from all kinds of conscious level, background. I feel God showing unconditional love/forgiveness towards every kind/level of human being's abnormality through these people, they can diagnose the source of these mental/psychological dynamics, and provide positive help, to guide others to face their inner reality, develop self-acceptance, and empower others to work on these dynamics in their own pace and positive way, there provide pure listening, reflecting, no judgement, and the 6th house also means to love unconditional yet healthy, do need skills, they already feel whole within and supported by cosmic power (PPP 12TH house Aries), they will not playing into other's projection, but purely mirroring other's inner dynamics/evolutionary lessons/potentials. They embody source's unconditional love, source's intention for humanity, society, also through their work function, they can help humanity align with natural law, teach human to have a balanced relationship with animals/environment, teach others to connect to larger force, to be service to source in their own way.
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node relative to Evolutionary State. Yes, you make a great point that a core evolutionary intention is to communicate via "constructive criticism" which focuses on how to affect positive improvements. In this way, an overly critical and negative focus can be purged, and healthy personal and social relationship dynamics can manifest. The Soul can then truly be heard by others. In addition, remembering our instrinsic connection to Nature and the Natural Laws within it in the ways you have described is an essential pathway for healing to occur. This is emphasized in the Spiritual Evolutionary Condition. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the south node in Libra ruler Venus in the 8th house:
Ruler of the South Node Venus in the 8th house symbolizes the need to metamorphosis limitations of a psychological/emotional nature that are preventing further Soul growth. The person will naturally be peering deeply into its own psychological dynamics as well as the psychological dynamics of others to understand where they themselves are coming from and where others are coming from. The Soul will be learning who it is as opposed to who it is not and learning about the dual desires with in the Soul to maintain security based in the past, to maintain separateness in comparison to the desire to Unite or Merge with others or ultimately the Source. In the context of the South Node in the 6th in Libra with Pluto conjunct the South Node the Soul will be Reliving or Reliving/Fruition or in Fruition of egocentric identity revolving around the need to learn true humility, service to others, externalization of an inner critical focus, self improvement Virgo, through relating to others, learning to be an equal with others, to listen to others, to objectify others reality, to know when to give and what to give to others and when not to, Libra. Now narrowing down the focus this will all be channeled through the 8th house archetype, the lessons of Virgo will be learned through deep psychological analysis of relationships with others as well as intimate others specifically to get to the bottom line of the why of those dynamics.
I am going to focus on the example used so far as in the Relive/ Fruition because its the most common as well as if I don't have some sort of context to focus on I get completely lost and overwhelm lol. So I am going to focus on the dynamics of purging a sense of victimization as well as externalization of an inner critical focus. When I was thinking of this I couldn't help but think well we are now putting the ruler of the south node in the 6th in Libra being Venus in the 8th and the link the 8th house has to the 5th house by natural square and the fact that the whole lessons here revolve around Virgo/6th house which follows the 5th. The 6th house is the transition between the subjective development of egocentric identity Aries through Leo to the objective awareness and needs of others or the group Libra through Pisces. Clearly the Soul is learning lessons around Aries to Leo orientation in connection to how one is relating to others. The whole arc here coming under strong scrutiny is the 6th, 7th, 8th house archetypes how one is desiring to give service to others, how one is relating to others and how one is merging with others, the Soul is learning about itself through others and where there is a need to reorientate outmoded behaviors and metamorphose limitations of the past that are preventing further Soul growth linked with the Egocentric self in opposition to others. With the South node in Libra and the North node in Aries this is a whole new cycle of evolution of relation the self verses others through the culmination of a whole past cycle with the South Node in the 6th and the North node in the 12th.
The 8th house archetype is one where the Soul is going to desire to metamorphose limitations preventing further growth through merging with others/symbols of a powerful nature to in effect osmose that power into themselves to become more powerful on the other side of the metamorphoses. Through the desire to merge with others or symbols or rituals the Soul will be learning deep lessons around personal power in relation to power through others and this in turn will set the Soul up to experience deep internal and external confrontations with others. Through intense confrontations the Soul will be experiencing its own power as well as a feeling of being powerless, Superiority/Inferiority for the purpose of coming to understand the right use of personal power or to reclaim ones own personal power. These lessons will be learned through a Soul merging resources with another, merging with symbols or rituals that symbolize power to the Soul, merging with another intimately/sexually and merging with another spiritually or the Ultimate other as in the Creator. The Soul is learning it is the Source of its own power/co-creator.
Now with Venus being the Ruler of the South node in the 6th in Libra being in the 8th in a possible Relive/Fruition condition in the context of purging all sense of victimization and externalization of an inner critical focus through 6th house Virgo archetype you can see/feel how this can lead to relationships with others that are completely unbalanced. The Virgo archetype has a deep inherent feeling of Lack/Emptiness this in combination with Libra the need to be needed or to learn to relate with others equally all being focused into the 8th house is probably going to manifest in the Soul deeply desiring to fill itself up so to speak with others. This can be effected in many different contexts but I cant help but feel this could lead to the Soul desiring to fill themselves up with others sexually especially when you consider the need to osmose power from others 8th house to effect metamorphosis of limitations preventing growth. The Soul in a sense is pulling in the need to be filled up through a need to be dominated in a way. This Is happening through the Virgo archetype of the need to learn true humility through a distorted need to be humiliated/dominated, Inferior/Superior because of the sense of victimization the Soul feels. This can lead to all sorts of Sado Masochistic pathologies and ways of being in relationships with others whether intimately or other deep relationships with-in families, friends or co-workers. Confrontations will manifest with others because of the inequality with others as either the Soul will feel the need to dominate others to feel Superior due to feeling inferior or the Soul will finally have enough of being dominated and will want to break free from the relationship or change the dynamics with-in the relationship. The Soul is learning to effect metamorphosis of limitations relating to giving their power away. They are learning sexual discrimination and discrimination of who to involve themselves with in deep friendships, work relationships, intimate others and family relationships.
Through these kinds of confrontations in relationships with others and through relating to others in this way the Soul is going to be pulled into the intentions of Venus in the 8th which is to come to a deep psychological understanding of why the Soul keeps finding themselves in these types of situations. Pluto/Scorpio/8th House archetype is where the Soul stores all psychological/emotional/DNA dynamics of the past when it comes to psychological trauma, abuse, sexual trauma having the rug pulled out from underneath one, traumas related to merging of households or resources. These stored traumas in the DNA relate to the Soul having unconscious/conscious feelings related to these traumas that are carried into the future thus the reliving of these types of dynamics and relationships. The Soul here will be desiring to go deep into these dynamics to heal and purge limitations to learn a new way to relate to ones self and others where one is coming from not a sense of superiority or inferiority but a sense of personal validation of ones own personal power to effect change in ones own life to empower ones self where true humility will manifest.
In the sense of a Karmic Relive/Fruition or Relive the Soul will learning how to be in equal relationships will learn to purge all sense of victimization through learning equality with others and gaining a sense of ones own personal power will be learning to metamorphosis the dynamics of the past that are preventing further Soul growth. Once these dynamics are learned and brought into balance through metamorphosis of limitations of the past of how one is relating to themselves and others then the Soul will start to be able to actually be in positive relationships with others, intimate others, friends, family, co-workers. This will eventually lead to the Souls right work function, as in the Soul will desire to be of service, will desire to be of some sort of psychological service to others personally and professionally but because of the nature of the work itself this then demands that these dynamics must be healed and balanced, I mean really how can one work as a counselor, psychologist, Evolutionary Astrologer or any of these types of fields if they are not somewhat healed themselves have purged the baggage so speak. Thus a whole new cycle in relating to others and a culmination of a whole past cycle of the way the Soul is giving service to others. "Physician Heal Thy Self" This will lead to empowerment of the Self and then to the Empowerment of others.
This Soul will emit the energy of Warning Soul Not Socialized Properly....
Consensus State:
In the Consensus state the Soul will desire to climb the Social ladder and be of service to others through some sort of psychological field of work. In a positive sense the Soul will have been working hard on healing past emotional psychological dynamics related to traumas the Soul perceives itself to have endured that are promoting continued dynamics of victimization. In this way the Soul is learning to merge with others to metamorphosis past limitations and heal itself, re-empower so that it can be in equal and balanced relationships with others and in turn this will promote right work so they can then help others heal and re-empower themselves as well.
Individuated State:
In the Individuated State the Soul will desire to break free from Consensus understanding of relationships and relating to others in general. The Soul will desire to heal itself and re-empower by honoring its true alternative psychological understanding of others and relating to others in alternative ways. The Soul will desire to be of service to others by helping them heal, merging with others to metamorphosis limitations of the past related to feeling different from others and re-empower others by honoring there own inherent uniqueness. The Soul will find right work through this orientation and will desire to be in some sort of alternative psychological service to others.
Spiritual State:
The Soul will desire to merge with the Creator through an exhaustion of all separating desires. The Soul here Will be healing purging and balancing all emotional/psychological dynamics that are preventing direct perception and merging with the Source, metamorphosis of past limitations that are preventing further evolution, growth, returning. The Soul will desire to be of some sort of Spiritual/Psychological service to others as directed by the Source through Universal Natural Laws and Principals. Right work will be found through healing past emotional and psychological dynamics by merging with the Source through spiritual practice.
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node and the planetary ruler of the South Node Venus in the 8th house. Yes, buy purging outdated psychological patterns that are blocking further growth evolution occurs symbolized by Venus in the 8th house. You make a good point that any counselor must also have self-knowledge of their own limitations, and work to heal their own wounds in order to maintain a state of emotional balance. With this natal signature it can be seen that the Soul may attempt to avoid or deny healing its own wounds through habitual counseling or being of service to others in some way (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in the 8th house). Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Ok thank you Deva
Heather
Venus in Scorpio-planetary ruler of SN/6th/Libra conjunct:
Venus in Scorpio gives the person a very deep knowing of the inner psyches of others and self. It's as if the person can penetrate in other people's worlds and see exactly where they are coming from, their agendas, their motivations, and so on. Venus in Scorpio is magnetic and sexually intense, two things this person can use to reel people into his/her field.
Venus as the planetary ruler will be another vehicle used to actualize the P/SN conjunction in 6th/Libra.
The soul will desire to transform out of all of the limiting psychological patterns it perceives within itself via relating with others.
This soul will be very psychologically inclined and will be continuously surveying and assessing others in order to assure her safety. This can become a source of imbalances in relationships as the soul could use this skill to manipulate and control others which will create the crises (SN/P in 6th) within relationships. There's an inherent insecurity within the soul that needs to be purged out so it can start relating to others as an equal. This position of Venus also correlates to subconscious memories of violations of trust, this contributes to the internal insecurity and how it gets projected onto others. This soul needs to learn self reliance when it comes to relating to others instead of merging with others in order to acquire something they have and he/she lacks creating co-dependencies and imbalances from a superior/inferior mindset.
True humility while maintaining a healthy inner security are to be developed.
I'll also focus on the most common expression which would be a combined state of relieve/fruition where the soul may have an awareness of the psychological patterns at play in relationships that it needs to transform out of and work (6th) consistently on it within the realm of relationships (Libra) yo purge out imbalances while at the same time the way in which this is done is through crises (6th) and confrontations (Venus/8th) with others (Libra) in order to attain this awareness and transformation.
It may be that the soul cannot always consciously prevent these patterns is aware of to play out which leads to crises, self-criticism, and the progressively to self-adjustment. Then there may be other patterns/times/types of relationships that the soul is able to already handle in a state of fruition where he/she is already de conditioned from them . This soul could be an excellent therapist helping others with their patterns and relationships while still struggling him/herself with some of those but not others.
It seems that with this position of the planetary ruler in the 8th this will be a process of transformation like the peeling of an onion where the deeper the person goes more layers appear that need to be transmuted out of and other out until there's an exhaustion of all of such patterns that represent separating types of desires.
Consensus Stage:
In this stage the soul will be psychologically inclined within the mainstream current of psychology/thoughts around these issues. The soul may perform a job function within the mainstream society accepted job functions and this will be the realm where it will deal with all of the dynamics expressed by this signature. Another aspect here could be to just do work to get ahead and keep busy without this being "right work".
Individuated Stage:
The soul will be psychologically aligned with more alternative and fringes sectors of the society it lives within feeling alienated from the consensus. At this stage the soul will have a deeper orientation into its own individuality, seeking to answer and resolve out of those patterns by him/herself and/or through alternative currents of thoughts like Astrology itself.
It will form relationships with like minded people and perform a job function that reflects this individuality. The soul will be asking why why of this and that with more self-awareness and tendency towards taking responsibility here more so than in consensus unless it lives in a society where those two aspects are part of consensus ... (haven't seen that society yet but I could be wrong..;). Or it could blame consensus reality for its problems becoming extremely critical of them.
The soul will experience external criticism particularly during the individuated stage that could further threaten its inner security turning it into a Venus in the 8th that uses its deep laser vision to poke holes into other people's realities, logic, statements, and so on in order to defend itself and attack the others that critic him/her for being different. Here the soul hasn't learnt the lesson of self-reliance and inner security non attached to others.
Spiritual stage:
The soul will be aligning with natural law and universal truths around the nature of right work, right relationship, right use of its very in depth psychological skills and laser vision into other people's worlds. The soul will still struggle to deal with some patterns within itself that still reflect a deep insecurity (Venus in the 8th) but there's a progressive knowledge that those are beliefs that need to be purged out to merge with source. The key here will be seeking to merge with source as opposed to others in the world. To the extent that the soul is able to keep this in line, it will be able to form relationships from a balanced equal place without having to create crises based on imbalances/co-dependencies/power struggles; or if crises are still created, they will be able to be used as healing opportunities to continue to work on the residual patterns that are still a reflection of separating desires.
Hi Barbara,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the planetary ruler of the South Node Venus in the 8th house Yes, Venus in the 8th house reflects the need to transmute pre-existing limitations, and an inner relationship with oneself that is innately psychologically focused. The Soul will evaluate others from this same inner orientation, determining others "bottom line." My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by including the dynamics of cooperation and resistance (Scorpio/8th house/Pluto archetype). In addition, give specific examples of how this could manifest within the evolutionary states. For example, how could the Soul use power in a positive way to advance within the social strata within the Consensus State? What type of psychological information will the Soul desire to absorb in order to evolve beyond limitations within the Individuated State, and how can this potentially be used to serve the whole and/or others? What psychological patterns are preventing further growth in the Spiritual State, and how could the Soul go about transmuting these patterns?
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva! I'll expand upon it soon!!!
Pluto/South Node/6th/Libra/Venus 8th
In order to actualize the evolutionary intentions, a soul with this astrological signature has had a need to penetrate their deepest emotions and psychology in order to identify and transmute any aspects of themself that are preventing further growth. Typically this will happen through focusing on the Why? of things. Why do I feel this way? Why is this happening? Why am I in this situation? Why do I keep ending up in the same types of relationships over and over again? This intense process provides a means by which they can see previously hidden areas of themselves that have been dictating compulsive behaviour or habits that need to be adjusted or thrown out. The areas of non-growth will be linked to the need for emotional security on a moment by moment basis. It is what they have become used to. Positively expressed, in experiencing these deepest aspects of themselves, they will be able to see how their own behaviour has been creating the circumstances and situations they feel are holding them back, both personally and in relationships. As a result, their psychological understanding of themselves will further deepen and personal limitations will be transmuted. Negatively expressed, denial and a refusal to make necessary changes will lead to the repetition of situations and relationships where manipulation, power/powerlessness trips, crisis, self-undermining behaviour, victimization and the like are central themes.
The circumstances leading to the revelation and experience of their own psychology and behavior can be difficult and include confrontations of one type or another, external and internal. In the context of Pluto/6th/Libra, this type of focus can serve as a means to bring things to a head through crisis so necessary adjustments can be made in the nature and balance of their relationships. This includes the understanding of why the relationship was formed in the first place and the resulting behavior of the parties involved. In some cases, this can lead to the termination of the relationship since it no longer serves a purpose. Any resistance to necessary change within a relationship or situation can result in an increasing sense of being trapped. Guilty feelings can pervade the consciousness when awareness of dishonest or manipulative behavior reveals their true intentions. In the case of Pluto/Libra/6th, this can lead to self-recrimination and its associated self-undermining behavior.
Venus/8th does not like feel vulnerable. If they do feel vulnerable in a situation the survival side of Venus is activated and all they want to do is protect themselves. In the past they have had their world turned upside down by the forced removal of people, relationships or anything that provided a sense of security for them. The subconscious memories of this has left residual fears of the same type of thing happening again. As a result, who and what to trust becomes a very real issue for them, which is why they survey people and situations so intensely before getting involved. Why is this person talking to me? What do they want from me? etc. etc. Knowing where someone else is coming from will help them feel more in control. Others who meet them can become aware of this process and feel threatened by the intensity of the situation. On the other hand, without knowing why, they can be attracted to the very same thing. The energy field of the Venus/8th person can be experienced by others as a potential means of self-discovery. Since the exchange of energy is the predominant method of communication, all this can happen below the radar or before anyone has opened their mouth to speak. Because Venus/8th is has a naturally penetrating energy field, in the context of Pluto/South Node/Libra, they can attract others who are in need of being emotionally, psychologically and/or spiritually healed. In some cases, they are looking for physical healing. This can also happen the other way around, so that the Venus/Scorpio/8th person can generate the energy that attracts a potential healer for their own ills of one kind or another. Either of these situations runs the risk of setting up a relationship where emotional need and security is the central theme. As discussed in our earlier assignments, this type of co-dependant relationship sets the stage for confrontations and more forced removals.
When positively expressed, experiences of power and powerlessness can be purged as each individual works to develop self-reliance and a sense of personal value. If each partner is encouraging the other to find their own value and power, they can grow individually and as a couple, whether in an intimate situation, friendship or work environment.
Consensus
Positively expressed, self-empowerment and the transmutation of limitations can be affected through purging past patterns of behavior that have been limiting growth, and this will happen within the context of mainstream/consensus society. This person could use their psychological knowledge of themselves, others and relationships, individually and within societal structures, to identify a particular need where they can use their own skills in a service-oriented work function. In listening to the needs of others and making adjustments where necessary, work of value and meaning can be found - work that is not servile or self-serving, but is good for all parties concerned. On the other hand, negatively expressed, a person could use their psychological knowledge to zero in on weaknesses in people or structures and use manipulative means to get ahead. In both cases, there will be an acute awareness of who wields power and who does not. Effort should be made to keep things above-board and honest when attempting to get ahead in society. Proper discrimination should also be employed in deciding who and who not to get involved with.
Individuated
In the individuated state, a person will be working on issues of self-empowerment, transmutation of personal limitations and psychological transformation in areas of society considered "different" by the consensus. They will feel compelled to pierce the veils of their own unconscious so they can discover who they are as an individual, separate and different from others. The need to de-condition will be paramount, their energy field will attract others of like-mind, and they will be attracted to others in the same way. By initiating relationships with people who are also in the process of individuation, they can absorb new psychological knowledge that will help them liberate from the past. As an example, they could initiate relationships with others in alternative fields of medicine, art, teaching, business or belief systems. Positively expressed, they can use that psychological knowledge and open-minded attitude to encourage others to fully embrace their own differentness and feel OK about it. Living in their own self-empowered individuality, they can be an example to others in how to find value, personal power and self-reliance for themselves. Because of their alternative lifestyles and the people they associate with, they could be persecuted or criticized when mainstream others felt threatened by their presence. In such cases, trust in themselves will go a long way towards helping them accept the fact that nothing is perfect and they are just fine the way they are. If the Venus/8th person chooses to resist the evolutionary impulse to fully decondition and purge past patterns of behavior, they will find themselves re-cycling old, non-growth behavioral patterns from the past. This might include dependencies on hanging out with people of like mind and/or living vicariously through the lifestyle of others.
Spiritual
In the Spiritual State, development of psychological knowledge, transmutation of personal limitations and self-empowerment will take place within a primary, internal relationship with God/Goddess. There will be an emphasis on aligning their personal will to the Will of Source and service work of any kind will be performed in full consciousness of that reality. In later stages of the Spiritual state, the Venus/8th person may find that they have gifts of healing in various ways and they must use discrimination when forming relationships with others lest they try to take advantage of them or live vicariously through them. As in the other evolutionary states, they will encourage others to find their own inner power, but in addition they will encourage others to form their own relationship to God/Goddess and find trust and self-forgiveness in the realization that nobody or nothing is perfect. Secret, hidden knowledge as part of Universal, Natural Law, will be revealed to those in the Spiritual State consistent with their capacity to experience such powerful realizations. The proper use of this power will be crucial since it can help and influence many. They could experience persecution and jealousy from others even though their intentions are pure. Jesus is a perfect example of this. In relationships of all kinds it will be important to try to maintain a balance of power through mutual encouragement of self-realization.
In all of the above, the purging of past patterns of behavior will be necessary to the continuing evolution of the soul. By focusing on themselves in a sustained, intense way, they will eventually see why they are the way they are, why they have created the relationships they have, and what they need to do in order to change and evolve beyond the limitations indicated by the sign, house and aspects of Pluto and the South Node. In healing the emotional and psychological dynamics that have been preventing further growth, the right kind of work can be found, work that provides real service in a balanced, mutually beneficial way.
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node relative to the planetary ruler Venus in the 8th house. Yes, one possible expression of this signature is to become a "scapegoat" for others. The key within this is to discern why this situation is occurring. One reason may be the Souls sense of inferiority and lack. Self-empowerment will occur as the Soul purges its inner guilt (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, planetary ruler Venus in the 8th house). In this way, relationships of equality, balance, and co-empowerment can take place. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva! :)
Expanding upon resistance vs cooperation and on how this signature could specifically show up in each stage:
There could be a strong pull to both, resistance and cooperation, with Venus in the 8th. There's an inherent pull towards inner development through asking the why of everything, through wanting to get to the bottom of things to acquire absolute self-knowledge of the inner psyche in order to transform out of the undesired patterns that bring disharmony and this is how the cooperative impulse will show up. On the other hand there can be areas where the soul's subconscious memories are operative without the soul either being aware of, or having full awareness of them the soul may choose to stick with them for security reasons. It's not right but it's the evil I know a least type of thing. There can be varying degrees of both, cooperating and resisting impulses, in any given soul but the closer to the spiritual stage the soul is the more cooperating impulses it will be drawn to.
Consensus:
Here the soul could choose to work within any mainstream psychology field or anywhere where its laser focus into other people's reality allows it to excel. It can use this for public relations, advertising, even politics for instance, as it can go right into other people's psychologies and where they are coming from with their wants and needs. The soul can use this to serve other in the right way truly wanting to help or it can use it to get ahead and climb up the society ladder of power. If the soul is not evolve, it will use this work function to manipulate others and remain in a position of power over that will seem to alleviate the soul's subconscious fears of loss and betrayal. This will continue to create relationships of dependancies and lack of equality bringing with it crises that will eventually lead to the same result of loss and betrayal.
Individuated:
The soul will be attracted to alternative information of any type that can help with its self-discovery and transformation. It can get attracted to astrology for example, all kinds of self-help practices, philosophy, transpersonal psychology, ancient or eastern/western knowledge depending of where consensus is at for him/her. etc. The soul will use this knowledge to go to the bottom of things by itself or with others of like mind. It will be attracted to non-consensus ways of doing relationship and work. The soul is separating more and more from societal norm and is beginning to look within for answers to get to decondition from the patterns it becomes aware of. There can be alienation and a feeling of inferiority that comes from the consensus criticism until the soul moves far enough into this stage and achieves full individuality. The soul may be attracted to penetrating deep into the societal sexual taboos within relationships and get involved in this practices thus creating some imbalances around relationships that will lead to guilt within the soul that needs to get atoned for (SN/P conjunction in 6th/Libra). The rebellion towards society could very well be expressed with a fascination towards sexual and relationship societal taboos. This is the way the soul is exploring what sexuality and relationship truly means for itself.
Spiritual: The patterns that the soul will still have to purge out to move more into alignment with source/natural-universal laws will be the ones around power imbalances in relationships, sexuality, the crisis seeking behaviors in order to effectuate growth and self-knowledge. Here there will be coexisting patterns, some distorted ones that are residual patterns from previous lifetimes and the ones that reflect a more spiritually developed soul. The soul will become highly aware of all of the psychological patterns within itself that reflect a need to be in control of others/situations in order to feel secure and prevent loss and betrayal, patterns that reflect the need to be needed by others in relationships, patterns that reflect atonement for guilt, patterns of lack and imperfection .... In terms of sexuality the soul will start becoming ever more aware of its own distortions and of the need to resolve them in order to align with natural law. At the same time the soul will become very aware of all of these delusive/distorted ways of doing and life in others and will choose to relate intimately with others that can truly meet him/her where she/he is at. There may be a tendency to attract others in need of healing and teaching here and that can be one of the ego traps in this stage that the soul needs to watch out for.
Namaste
Hi Barbara,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house and Venus in the 8th house relative to Evolutionary state. Yes, the Soul becomes ever more self-aware through the evolutionary states which leads to self-knowledge. From my understanding, the Soul can then choose to undermine, or reject, this knowledge even though it is conscious and repeat the patterns of the past, or make the necessary adjustments as you have stated (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in the 8th house).
Namaste,
Deva
Yes, thank you for that reminder Deva!!! I forgot to add that, yes the soul will always have the choice to reject or accept the knowledge which will delay or further the evolution.
Namaste
Hi Deva,
i will still needs a few more days to post.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Deva
I am still working on it, plan to post in a few days as well.
Thanks
Hi Deva and Everyone,
thank you so much for waiting on my participation for this segment.
Looking forward to continue,
Helena
Pluto in Libra 6th house conjunct SN/ Ruler Venus in the 8th house
If we can make the exercise of looking at astrological houses like literal physical houses were one can enter to find some shelter, where we can find a bed to sleep, the 8th house bed would not be one we could easily forget, or deeply rest in for a long time. Unlike the comfy, cosy bed we could remember from our parents (4th) house, or the sturdy, reliable (2nd house) bed we bought with our good first income to last for a lifetime, even if we find there the most precious, luxurious bed we can have, in the 8th house we will sooner or later be faced with the inevitability that we have to change it. If we examine it closely (we will have to, since we seem deeply and strangely attached to it) it has after all been too long since we have it, or it carries really good or bad memories with it, is simply falling apart, or we can come to realise our lifestyle has changed and we don't want a luxurious bed anymore but a simple well made bed we learned to make ourselves, following a passion in carpentry.
My point using this is analogy is, whatever place we find in the 8th house, whatever sign is on the cusp, or whatever planet (or bed) is there, it is of our own making and for a long time, so is not one where can simply enter to rest. It is nevertheless a bed made by the soul and the place where the soul is trying to speak. Wether we like it or not, like a wise teacher, it will not always be complacent and kind...
Either conscious or unconscious of it, any planet on the 8th house is intimately connected to the expression of energy emanating directly from the soul, the soul's desires and the soul's dual desire nature.
The soul, as we study in EA, follows a long evolutionary journey where Evolution is the path drawn by the soul's overcoming of limitations, the experience of power and powerlessness, until finally merging with the Ultimate Source. Until it has no separating desires.
Any planet in the 8th house invariably points to these complex patterns of choice and free will - the areas where the soul is progressively deeply aware, effectively acquiring phycological knowledge of old patterns of security in the face of limitations, and how/if/when chooses metamorphosing those limitations or maintaining old patterns due to the natural tendency to base security on past knowledge, security gained with relationships and experiences that were overcome in the past, with this same process.
The answer for any planet in the 8th house, or more so if Pluto, as JWG thought, is "to be willing to experience life as open-ended proposition and to be willing to risk that which constitutes security. Those following this course of action can learn how to communicate or release that which is promoting problems, stagnation, blocks or temptations" (in Pluto I).
Although, in any case, the soul and each life's ego are always free to choose security over growth, and that is why Pluto, Scorpio, and the 8th house also carry the symbols and experiences of the soul's deepest pains and difficulties, by way of personal stagnation and obsessive behaviours.
With venus in the 8th house relative to pluto in libra conjunct the south node in the 6th house many scenarios and dynamics have been in place, but transversal to all of them is the fact that this soul has not learned or fully developed or balanced, how to be alone (with itself) and self-sufficient first, powerful in itself, before engaging into relationships were it can serve others. Either tends to find others that are too much needed or too much domineering. Or, if this is a soul in a fruition condition, so much experience has been acquired in the areas of self-reliance in the context of service and relationships that the soul is now able to positively help and teach others achieve the same, to be a powerful symbol of it, specially when in an intimate or work relationship scenario, knowing very well how too manage enmeshment, dependencies and personal power.
In the state of re-living, the soul has been so focused on limitations, on what it lacks, personal faults and failures, past pains and betrayals of trust, that security is based on relationships with types of people, most likely in all cases souls that were part of this soul evolution from previous lives, that somehow are opposite symbols of the soul's perceived limitations but also symbols of past hurts. Commonly, any relationship where one is perceived more powerful than the other, where one exclusively gives and the other exclusively receives. The soul has put itself again (taking from the fact that pluto is conjunct the SN) in a situation that will progressively bring all the "right conditions", or crisis, for the soul to desire freedom from past attachments, hurts, limitations and difficulties. With the house 8th house natural inconjunct to the 1st house, we know how this process can represent again another crisis resulting from the action of breaking free to enter the new and unknown, separating from the old, known and seen as secure. Maybe the soul feels forever incapable of getting the right or perfect resources to leave an abusive relationship, the right job or career that would allow that freedom, the right body or self-image to go out and meet someone else, and so on"¦ With the 6th house pluto, many excuses might unconsciously regulate the non-acting state that perpetuates crisis.
Obsession is another extreme of this condition, to focus on a person or thing, so strongly that sometimes this can dominate all the life. The choice that is made in these cases is to use the 8th house ability to penetrate deeply own to all matters, directing it to an external source, instead of the inner reality and inner motives.The exact thing that used to make the soul feel secure, the exact thing that the soul thinks it lacks but cannot get. In the worst cases, this ability can represent absolute control of others, or devious means to get what it wants, in the areas of sex, money, social position, intelligence, knowledge or any other power symbol the soul identifies as lacking in itself.
In this evolutionary condition and with venus in the 8th house, pluto in the 6th might also be a symbol of a soul that desires to make a wrong right, so to speak. It is possible that venus here represents past relationships were the soul has behaved in a less than "right" way towards the other, felt guilt about it, and is now trying to compensate by serving the desires, wishes and demands of that person, the masoquistic archetype that annuls itself, its own desires, aspirations or needs.
Or the other way around, to re-live a relationship in a domineering, sadistic way towards someone acting like this in the past of the soul, were the soul felt victimised. On both scenarios, pluto in libra negative and imbalanced way of relating will be the norm against the true opposite goal, to actually be in a intimate (venus 8th) relationship with another based on trust, harmony and healthy sharing of personal resources.
If we can put it from the perspective of the natural zodiac, positively, the main issues that surface from the 8th house relative to libra pluto could be healed and understood (virgo sextile) when the soul is able to maturely limit (capricorn sextile) all expectations (libra) of another or a situation because it has managed to approach it from a metamorphosed powerful self-sufficient (taurus pp) and inner secure (cancer water trine) state. From that point on, a universal and transcendent (pisces water trine) love would be experienced.
Quite the opposite is experienced when much resistance has been put in the process. From a needy, enmeshed or victimised state, the soul is unable to separate itself and create the necessary boundaries from others and other's problems, expecting personal validation from the effort and service is giving to help others with their own issues, needs or problems, in essence giving its own power to someone else. We can actually see how this can symbolise a relationship pattern of sacrifice and lack of pleasure, playfulness and fun. With just obligations and tasks, a soul has forgotten how to be in a relationship simply because it is enjoying it, because of the love for another, to be able to share and receive and not only help and give. To be able to simply to human. An imperfect human and not a symbol of perfection in other's lives, according to its own and other's projections.
Sometimes these relationships also involve others who are perceived by the soul as less fortunate or accomplished, needy in some kind of way. This way, the soul feels secure in helping and giving. By giving energy, time and dedication to these others, the soul can find deep fulfilment but in other cases, also keep distracted from its own real desires. Only obtain meaning from the appreciation received in this kind of service. If this is the case, the soul lacks freedom to be who it actually is (aries ppp), understanding and accepting that this "person" actually is born out of the quest for the unknown and lacks no external credit for it. When wanting to give, simply does so, expecting nothing in return.
Picking up from JWG's teachings mentioned above, with venus in the 8th house in this evolutionary condition, communication, or lack of it, virgo, is the central dynamic perpetuating all attachments to the past. If the soul is unwilling to communicate in healthy ways, listen to others from their perspective and express personal will and desires to others (what the soul actually wants from the relationship), we can face a reality where this person is wishing or waiting for others to "guess" what the soul wants or needs from the relationship, because if it is already giving so much expects others (libra) to do the same"¦The soul can feel too shy, humble or lack confidence to inform others of its own intimate desire to experience freedom, sometimes because this would also represent freedom from the other's own demands and fear to break the relationship patterns so far, feeling guilty if it does. But this would be this soul most intimate desire. When the soul actually takes the step to communicate, the new road for self-improvement has been found, and the soul will start to attract others that validate this change, and naturally leave the ones that don't.
In the combination of fruition and re-living condition, some relationships already started to work like this, others still demand these dynamics to be refined.
This karmic/evolutionary signature through the Evolutionary States
All throughout the evolutionary states, the soul with this signature will experience times of major changes, where living situations drastically change and the soul is forced to rebuilt the life, metamorphose, sometimes out of very little from has known for a long time. This changes will most likely happen in the area of intimate relationships, work function or health, directing the soul to go out and meet someone, align with something, that already represents the symbols and experiences the soul desires for itself and its own life in the future.
In consensus state this will relate to mainstream society's power symbols, in the individuated state fringe groups of society or unique and creative symbols of individuality, in the spiritual state, universal, timeless symbols of union of mankind with the Ultimate Source.
In the Consensus state, a soul can feel very disturbed and hurt by relationships that fail according to norms of mainstream society. Difficulties can also come in the form of finding existential meaning in a job or career that can serve others and society according to what society actually needs from the soul, granting also independence.
In extreme cases, abusive relationships or marriages might be kept because this is expected as the right thing to do. It would be unlikely for a soul in this condition to acknowledge before others the failure in not having the right or perfect marriage, or acknowledge it in the eyes of God if the soul follows a religious practice in a community. Comparison with others can also be a factor justifying inactivity.
In some situations, a spouse can unexpectedly leave or die and long life established conditions might change overnight and great effort and personal determination to face and overcome alone a new life reality will be needed, by penetrating the underlying reasons behind this events. The soul can find counsel or therapy in psychiatry or psychology sessions, to help understand and give meaning to old emotionally difficult dynamics. If the soul does not have a meaningful work, this person could face blocking situations like unemployment or have to choose between financial dependency or independence upon a partner by directing efforts to learn another job or skill more aligned with its own personal talents, capacities in the context of what society needs from the individual.
In all cases, some upheaval might inevitably precede better days, and with venus in the 8th house, a potential to change an existing old dynamic is always in the offer. Psychological insight on what is going on beneath the surface still is the key to penetrate a newer and different reality, specially in the context of mainstream society.
In the individuated state, the desire to actualise life's purpose and individuality in a unique way can be confronted by a inner sense of security that is dependent or seen as undermined by others or situations. The soul might try to avoid and recognise exactly this kind of dependencies. Be it of gurus, "perfect" idealised partners, drugs, social power and recognition within a group, etc., the soul will have a natural tendency to create deeply intimate bonds if initially trusting (a kind of us v them partnership in extreme cases), and more so in this state, to expect too much validation from its own peer group for all that gives back. If this is a dynamic that is preventing growth, the group that represents the soul's core of security might suddenly stop supporting and appreciating all the efforts the soul is making in order to individuate, or no longer seek what the soul has to offer. Intimate relationships, where the soul has put much energy and resources might end or partners break the trust initially extend. The other way around, problems might surface when the soul undermines the so much sought out partner or work, due to insecurities, double life standards or secrets kept from the partner or group. In some cases, separating desires might be too strongly rooted in the self and the soul can feel like going from heaven to hell continuously until it is able to transcend all dependencies and dynamics that are preventing growth.
In a fruition condition, the individuated soul has been able to establish a unique, powerful, life reality in harmony with what the society needs from the individual. A new discovery, or breakthrough service, technique, therapy, or artistic accomplishment that serves to improve others lives as well.
In the spiritual state, the shamanic process of death and rebirth comes to mind. The soul desires to be of service to the whole and can feel either too insecure, fearful or stuck in seeking the right path, or blocked by society or powerful institutions.
In some cases the soul could actually experience a death and rebirth of old values, skills, associations and beliefs, in order to come to know the real work God/dess has intended for the soul, in order to serve others.
This soul can be deeply penetrating and aware of others and others secret intents or motives, as well as helping others tap their on buried resources and talents.
Hi Helena,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node and Venus in the 8th house. Yes, this natal signature reflects that a metamorphosis within relationships and the work function will occurs as the Soul purges limitations of the past. You make a great point that a necessary evolutionary lesson is to learn to help oneself independent from any relationship or social group. This then creates balance, equality, and mutual "give and take" within relationships. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node Venus in the 8th house
Relative to Pluto conjunct SN in 6th house Libra, the ruler Venus in the 8th house individuals have typical psychological and analytical approach towards their life/environment/inner relationship with themselves, and relationships with others which reflect their inner relationships. They ask why of any of their experiences, or how things/people are, because souls desires to know the bottom line of every experiences, how things/people/this world function, so they can come up with solutions to any crisis, and adjustment to transform and improve any situation, this ability is essential to their security. South Node's ruler is Venus in the 8th house, they have been focused on soul's metamorphosis and transformation, in the past, because of the inner feeling of lack (6h house), they have projected needs (Libra) in relationships, they felt they need something (either skills/power/resources"¦) outside themselves, to further transform, in the past, they have formed intimate relationships to people or knowledge that represent what they need, and experienced empowerment from these relationships, but at certain stage of their growth, they became dependent on security/power generated from relationships, thus fixed in relationships when relationships naturally came to end, the resistance of change thus create crisis, could manifest as betrayal/abandonment/violation from others, or even death from others, in other words, the rug was pulled out from under, these incident would create intense emotional reaction and psychology of powerlessness within Venus 8th house individuals, they would go to deeply analysis and understand the why of these experiences. In the resisting/relive condition, they might find themselves still trapped in pattern of power struggle/crisis after crisis in intimate relationships, they may realize all partners they are attracted to, have similar underline nature, even from outside they are very different (Libra), after trying all kinds of relationships, and end up with similar crisis pattern, it's a process of exhausting their own projection, separating desires, they will finally come to conclusion, that change needs to come from within, inner relationship with themselves. Positively expressed, these individuals are natural psychologist and counselor, they can listen objectively yet deeply penetrate through surface of other's inner reality, they can tap into other's unconscious desire that create problematic circumstances, so they are able to provide guidance from that source to help others to transform/transmute. When they are being service providing healing for others in this way, they will also attract people, during their interaction, expose/mirror their own hidden dynamics or limitations, they may suddenly understand why of their own certain experiences from helping others. In this way, in relationships, both sides are objectively reflecting each other's inner relationships/dynamics, both sides need to find power within themselves to transmute any limitation, thus break the pattern of counselor/counselee, victim/rescuer, manipulate/being manipulated, power/powerless, the imbalance foundation of relationships, both sides are equally empowered to find security/resources within themselves, commit deeply yet emotionally self-sufficient, they can actualize the most potential of soul growth in these kind of relationships, they will also learn the lesson of ending, letting go in a peaceful way. They need to understand the essence of repeat relationship patterns, why they feel powerful, and why powerless, why they feel betrayed/violated, and why of intense emotional reaction, so they are aware what kind of needs they projected into relationships caused certain crisis, the understanding of all the whys, provide inner security, because they are in control of their experiences, and that leads to sense of inner power will not be taken away from others, then stable psychological states (embrace Venus polarity point 2nd house). The other expression of this signature is they will typically have unfinished karmic relationship from past life, they will meet these karmic partners, relive certain dynamics from past relationships, positively, they will understand karma's function, and make necessary adjustment, resolve these karmic relationships and move forward.
Consensus:
Because of the way these individuals relate to themselves, they are natural psychologist, they automatically scan themselves, others, environment, they can get right into the point, what other's lack (need), what's the underline problem, and how to improve/transmute. 8th house is Scorpio archetype, it's about choice, choose to act out separating desires or desires to go back to source. Because these souls have unconscious memories of being betrayed, powerless, manipulated, violated"¦ also memories of miss using power, it's a choice of how to interpret and react to these emotions. In the first case, if they internalized experiences of being abused, may create psychology of self-doubt that there must be something wrong with me, especially according to mainstream value, and comparison to how other people form relationships or other people's value/standards, and the need to atone for their flaws/mistakes, to meet other's standards, this kind of inner relationship with self, keep them trapped in state of victimization and repeating losing power pattern. If they react the unfair experiences with 8th house rage, they might go to the other extreme, psychologically manipulate others from their weak point, control under disguise of "service", or form relationships to powerful and resourceful people, compulsively pursue power, to ensure that they will never be vulnerable again, in this case, they will go through cycles of power struggle, power/powerless, and still nothing can fill inner void. In positive way, they may experience powerful transformation through relationships, and exam objectively the essence of these experiences, their needs/desires, develop ability of self-healing. They may also have talent of managing resources, become very successful business men, and share resources (SN Libra, Venus in 8th house) to empower others through work function.
Individuated State:
In this state, individuals may have formed relationships, or trying to fulfill certain desires which considered taboo by mainstream, in the process of soul's individuation, they may be persecuted/judged/betrayed because of these taboo, these traumas may lead to lost or even death in the past, thus they may have attraction/repulsion towards their own desires within intimate relationships. With Pluto/SN conjunct in 6th house Libra, ruler in 8th house can also mean develop discrimination of who to form relationship, who to trust, who to share secret with, in other words, to understand the other person's motivation, objective reality, desires and so on. They will also meet karmic partner from past lives, sort of "correct" these karmic relationships, they will typically attracted to partners, they have mutual desire to break free anything mainstream, to individualize through intimate relationships, also share either traumas together or similar dynamics, positively expressed, they can share resources to help each other transmute any limitation, 2 souls merge with each other and transform through the relationship, they may also explore together into taboos, sex rituals and so on, because 8th house Scorpio archetype need direct experiences/proof, then these powerful experiences can be internalized, they can use this self-empower experiences, skills, mystical power to help others to transmute their limitation, and individuation. Express negatively, they can misuse power, experience extreme darkness/distortion from relationships, exchange roles of perpetrator/victim, trapped in karmic cycle, until they are willing to exhaust old dynamics that limit their growth.
Spiritual State:
In this state, souls form an intimate relationship with cosmos, source itself, they are willing to dig deeper into darkness, to understand totality of existence, they will approach psychology from Soul's point of view, and depth, they also understand karma from natural law point of view, for example, they can be teachers/healers help others to work with karma, or they may use sexual power in a positive way, teach/help others to merge and transform in relationships, such as tantric technic. In this state, they also look at birth/death from larger perspective, birth/death itself is separate and go back to source, because the connection with source, there is really nothing lost, nothing dying, only regeneration, with Pluto/SN in 6th house Libra, they may also being service as assistant, help other souls going through death process, they can be shamanic healers guiding other soul's going back to source, they can teach others in victimization to find power within, dissolve man-made guilt, work on natural guilt in a way aligned with natural law. If negatively expressed, they may feel lacking, never prepared for their right work, being service, they may be spiritual masochism, believe they need to suffer in process of spiritualization.
Thanks Deva and everyone!
Wei
Thank you, Deva!
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, and Venus in the 8th house. Yes, knowledge of the occult or and/or "taboo" areas can lead to personal metamorphosis. You make a good point that the Soul must re-empower itself in order to affect positive change rather than expecting this to come through a relationship. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step in the practice thread is to add the sign to the planetary ruler of the South Node. In our example chart the planetary ruler of the South Node is Venus in the 8th house. The sign conditions the expression of the house. Venus is in Sagittarius in the 8th house. How does the sign of Sagittarius condition the expression of Venus in the 8th house? Sagittarius correlates with alignment with both personal truth and Natural Law, and elimination of delusive beliefs. Natural Law is based upon actual knowledge rather then belief. The core point within this is that as we align with Natural Laws delusive beliefs are purged from the Soul. There is a need for freedom and independence in order to discover personal truth. In the context of Venus in the 8th house, alignment with Natural Laws, discovery of personal truth, and elimination of delusive beliefs is a vehicle for growth beyond pre-existing limitations to occur. Additionally, development of psychological knowledge and self-empowerment is linked with timeless, natural principles. There is a desire, need, to know the "˜why' of anything including the psychological dynamics of itself, and of others.
Typically, the Soul will create intense internal and external confrontations in order to expose any areas of dishonesty and manipulation within relationships. For example, the individual may tell the partner, and others in general, what they want to hear to fulfill ulterior motives and agendas of all sorts. In other words, the individual can appear very sincere and helpful, yet it only to sustain co-dependent relationships and have his or her own needs meet. Of course, the partner could also placate in this very same way. In this situation, both partners will deny the actual dynamics, or reality, of the relationship. This may manifest as avoidance of each other, or excessive external activity within the relationship.
In addition, the belief system may be used to rationalize negative patterns that are inhibiting further growth (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house). In the worst cases, this can manifest as a Soul who believes their own lies to the extent that the lie becomes the truth, compulsive or pathological lying. Another important dynamic is one of interpretation. Specifically, experiences of rejection and abandonment within relationships must be interpreted relative to understanding the why, the root cause, for the experience. If the individual focuses on "bigger picture," or what can be gained through difficult experiences, it becomes a mean for further evolution as well.
In a positive expression, the Soul will purge limited and delusive beliefs in such a way that an expansion within consciousness occurs. The Jupiter/9th house/Sagittarius archetype correlates with expansion. For example, beliefs that are rooted in victimization, sadomasochism, and superiority/inferiority will be jettisoned as the individual embraces Natural Laws that are based on actual knowledge verses delusive beliefs. In this situation, the Soul will self-empower through these principles, and encourage others to do the same. The "bottom line" of relationships formed will be based upon personal honesty, co-equality, and mutual self-empowerment (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, this will manifest as discovery of personal truth and expansion relative to the belief system within the mainstream. The development of psychological knowledge is based upon the beliefs within the mainstream. Growth and expansion takes place as the Soul progresses within the social strata. For instance, a credential in higher education is a vehicle through which advancement within society occurs. In so doing, the necessary psychological knowledge of how the system works is gained. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will interpret others based upon the prevailing mainstream belief system, and socially accepted psychological notions. In a positive expression, the Soul will use the knowledge of how society is structured and a credential in a mainstream field to help others advance. Conversely, the individual may use the social power that they have gained in a manipulative and dishonest manner. For instance, a position in public service may be used for self-advancement (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).
Individuated State: In the individuated State, this will manifest as discovery of personal truth independent from the beliefs within the mainstream. Liberation from the beliefs within the mainstream becomes a vehicle through which alignment with Natural Laws and elimination of delusive beliefs takes place. The Soul will require freedom and independence to define its truth outside the influence of the mainstream. In so doing, expansion beyond limitations of the past occurs (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).
In a positive expression, the dynamic of compensation within relationships will be purged from the Soul. The individual will be honest about their need to individuate within relationships, and attract others of like mind. As such, mutual self-empowerment can take place as both partners embrace liberation. In a negative expression, the Soul will reject the need for individuation, and recycle the relationship dynamics of the past previously described. In so doing, a situation of non-growth occurs.
Spiritual State: In this Spiritual State, this will manifest as truth as defined through Natural Laws as reflected in the manifested Creation. The Soul will expand through cultivating a relationship with the Source. Actual knowledge which is based upon Universal, Timeless principles will replace delusive beliefs. Psychological development is founded in these same principles. In essence, fusion with Nature and the Natural Laws therein may become a means for spiritualization to take place (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house). In this way, limitations of the past are purged. In a positive expression, the Soul will become a natural teacher relative to the knowledge of Timeless, Universal laws, and encourage others to spiritualize through direct experience of God/dess. In a negative expression, the individual will recycle delusive beliefs in the context of the patriarchal notions of Source and spirituality.
Please write out in your own words an analysis adding the sign of Sagittarius to the planetary ruler of the South Node, Venus in 8th house. My suggestion is to review the section Pluto in Sagittarius/9th house in the Pluto vol.1 book.
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva!
Hi Deva and everyone, I am still working on the next part of the practice thread and will post something in the next couple of days. Thanks for your patience. :)
Hi Deva,
Venus as planetary ruler in 8th in Sagittarius:
The way Sagittarius conditions this Venus is by making the soul very psychologically aligned to find the bottom line truth of relationships patterns, the why of this and that. In doing so, the soul creates a belief system that serves as a platform from which the soul explains the reality of relating/relationships/ the value system association and so on.
Venus in the 8th can be very fixated while Sagittarius demands freedom and flexibility. The soul can become very fixated about the nature of its beliefs around relationships/what it values and needs.
Venus will correlate to that which we identify we need in order to survive (Taurus), which will then be projected onto others (Libra), which will determine what we value and what/who we love/get attracted/attract to ourselves.
Sagittarius will condition this by making the search for knowledge/truth a key need, value that must be sought after.
The soul is searching for personal and universal truth around the nature of its values around relationships (Pluto/SN in libra), so it can eliminate delusive beliefs.
Sagittarius also conditions this Venus by making this soul value the search for knowledge.
Depending on how evolved the soul is there'll be varying degrees of emotional dishonesty linked to delusive ideas around the truth governing sexuality/power/powerlessness (8th), relationships (Libra) that will show up within the 6th house realm.
If the truth the soul is being guided by is religious oriented and quite fanatic (Sagittarius) then the potential for emotional dishonesty is quite high where the soul will hide its ulterior agenda when engaging with others. Having a profound knowledge of the other's inner world, it will use this to disempower the others while appearing to be doing something else.
The soul could become the teacher or counselor type to the partner creating imbalances bases on co-dependancies that will lead to crises that will induce self-adjustment or resistance to it.
Venus in Sagittarius will love its own freedom to explore relationships but it may be possessive towards the partner (8th house) which will produce a state of imbalance. The soul can come up with an entire system (Sagittarius) to justify this behavior to others where the need for freedom becomes one sided in favor to the soul or the soul can deny/hide this truth to others.
Either way, all this leads to the same result.
There's an internal restlessness that dominates the relationship realm whereby the soul needs to be really honest with self and others about its needs.
If the soul fails to do this, it can end up feeling alienated from self and others (Sagittarius) which could lead to projecting this onto others (Libra) creating confrontations (8th) and crises (6th).
Consensus:
Here the soul will aligned with the belief system within mainstream. The consensus platform will be used to determine what the soul believes it needs, values, and so on. It will form relationships from this perspective and will be very protective (8th) of its belief system (Sagittarius). The soul can be deluded into man made/religious laws when it comes to how it relates to self and others and it will perform a job function within this space. The search for truth becomes confined within the consensus parameters.
The soul can satisfy its love for research and knowledge by studying and acquiring a degree/s within a consensus established field. It can become a teacher of such a field instructing others into them.
The soul can either use this to help others by initiating them into a particular field of knowledge/religious body (positive expression) or it can use it to get ahead in the society (negative expression).
With Sagittarius conditioning that Venus it feels that the soul will truly need to believe in what it's doing/studying/researching in order to be fulfilled.
This can be lead to fanaticism where the soul will perceive any other point of view as a threat to its security ensuing in confrontations (8th house) or to dull doing if the soul is just doing it in order to get ahead (P/SN in the 6th). Either scenario leads to confrontations (8th house) with others (Libra). This will produce crises to enforce self-analysis/self/adjustment (P/NN in the 6th).
Individuated:
In this stage the soul will be searching for personal truth outside of the mainstream. It will start aligning with more alternative ways in which to do this.
That which the soul values will start shifting towards the avant gard areas of society which will condition the belief system the soul operates under which will determine who it attracts and gets attracted to (Venus/8th).
A lot of the emotional patterns described during the consensus stage can still be quite present. The stage where they take place changes. The soul may be more inclined to search for personal truth determining its values in other cultures, in other disciplines, far horizons so to speak that fit its own individuality.
The alienation (Sagittarius) can be strongly felt during this stage as the soul departures more and more from a society it doesn't feel it fits in any longer.
The soul can be drawn to studying alternative bodies of knowledge like Astrology for instance. This will start coloring the way the soul relates with self and others and the job function/service it chooses to perform. A belief system conditions every decision we make in life.
The need to explore its own personal truth will be heighten and the soul will not prefer partners that limit this freedom.
As it starts progressing through the individuated stages the soul starts purging out consensus beliefs and truly stands in its own truth. If this is expressed positively, the soul then will encourage and help others do the same (P/NN/6th/Libra). Any criticism the soul attracts, will be used constructively to improve and adjust.
If this is expressed negatively, the soul will become extremely critical of consensus, which in turn brings a lot of criticism from others, which leads to 8th house confrontations and 6th house crises...
The soul can also become quite closed-minded about its alternative belief system resisting anything that's different and threatens it.
Spiritual:
At this stage the soul starts aligning more and more with natural/universal/timeless laws that become the rudder that guides what the soul values and loves.
The soul will be purging out any emotional dishonesty and man made delusive beliefs from its value system, from the way it relates to self and others and so on.
During the first stage spiritual, the Pluto/NN conjunction in the 6th/libra can very intensely magnify all of these psychological patterns the soul needs to throw off leading to crises within relationships in order to fully finish this up.
The soul will be very orientated to nature and to a constant seeking out, searching for the holy grail that can lead to scattering... what the soul is searching is within and the concept of perfection needs to be revisioned as well to match nature's one.
The soul will be inclined to perform a job function that serves (6th) others (Libra).
The soul will start using its deep psychological knowledge to help others instead of serving its own agenda (8th).
The delusion of the guru/teacher/Healer can become an ego trap during this stage as well, whereby the soul becomes too attached to this identity and uses it to attempt to control reality and others instead of just being of service.
Hi Barbara,
Great job! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of the planetary ruler of the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house. From my understanding, a dynamic that will create a recycling of the limitations of the past (PLuto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node) is the need to "convince and convert" others. This is due to the emotional security that is linked with the Soul's pre existing belief system. Remember that an essential correlation of the Sagittarius/9th house/Jupiter archetype is to Natural Law which is based upon actual knowledge rather than delusive belief. In the context of Venus in the 8th house, this would then manifest as a progressive desire to directly experience the truth of anything, the Soul will require proof. You make a good point that the intuitive development (Venus in Sagittarius) will help the Soul expand beyond it's limited beliefs (Venus in the 8th house) and define personal truth from within.
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you for that insight Deva!! Yes, I ftend to forget those two key aspects of the Sagittarius archetype..:)!!!!
Pluto/South Node in Libra 6th, Venus in Saggitarius/8th
A Soul with this astrological signature will experience an evolutionary imperative to discover and align, through personal experience, their own values and truth with actual Truth as reflected in Natural Law. This will include the purging of delusive beliefs, the deepening of psychological realizations, self-empowerment and removal of self-imposed limitations. As consciousness continues to expand, intuitive realizations will take the Soul ever deeper in the search for Truth.
This need to recognize and purge delusive beliefs will be a deeply held value throughout the life. As time progresses this process will be necessary to the mental, emotional and spiritual health of the individual. With full cooperation through genuine self-effort, the Soul can proceed along its evolutionary path as it assimilates and applies these new realizations. This in turn will affect personal values, the relationship Soul has to itself, external relationships of all types, and life in general. The Soul will be naturally restless as a reflection of the need to continually make larger and larger connections to those Universal Laws, seen and unseen, which permeate our Creation.
In relationships, honesty and truthfulness will be part of a sincere effort to cooperate with the evolutionary intention. There are many ways dishonesty can infiltrate relationships, and this type of behavior will be linked to the need to maintain the security of the status quo. Avoidance of meaningful discussion and intimate interaction, keeping busy with one thing and another can be signs that all is not well and one or both partners don't want to face the truth. Since discussion of meaningful subjects and ideas will be part of a healthy exchange between partners, busy avoidance behavior could result in one partner looking elsewhere in order to satisfy unmet needs. Another form of avoidance behavior is not really listening to the partner while pretending to do so, and telling them what they want to hear. As a reflection of the Sag archetype, there will be an openness to meeting and interacting with all kinds of people, interest in things where something new can be experienced, travel, etc. In intimate relationships, it will be important that both partners take part in new experiences or at least there is an understanding and trust where each partner can do their own thing without experiencing recrimination from the other. Any suffocating stagnation within a relationship can result in confrontation and the exposure of various forms of dishonesty. Painful experiences are an opportunity to explore the underlying reasons why this has happened. By turning the searchlight inward and focusing on their own behavior, painful experiences such as betrayal and abandonment can be understood in a new light. Rationalizations can support negative beliefs and lies can masquerade as the truth until evolutionary forces in the form of internal or external confrontations occur. If the Soul makes a sincere effort to cooperate with the evolutionary intentions, sado-masochistic life patterns as the result of patriarchal-type beliefs can be purged, and personal alignment with Natural Law will allow for more healthy, co-equal relationships based on honesty, trust and the mutual encouragement of self-empowerment.
Consensus
In the consensus state, the above-mentioned evolutionary path will take place within the consensus belief systems and social construct of the country, family, etc. of birth. Psychological knowledge of how people relate to each other and systems within the mainstream will be gained as they establish work function or career, social status and lifestyle. Any expansion and deepening of personal truth and values will be in alignment with the prevailing common belief system. Positively expressed, with a natural, easy-going personality and an ability to feel comfortable with people at all social levels, they could adapt that psychological knowledge to draw attention to, and help underserved communities become self-empowered and more fully integrated into the mainstream. Teaching practical skills to people is an example of how this could be done. On the other hand, negatively expressed, underhanded and deceitful manipulation could be used to advance within society in an attempt to gain power and status for themselves, even getting to know powerful others along the way in order to use them for their own ends. Even when intentions are genuine, care must be taken to listen to the needs and opinions of others as opposed to trying to convince everyone that their ideas and opinions are the only right ones. Interacting with people as co-equals, listening and being listened to, will help purge limited, wrong or delusive beliefs, and help them grow beyond personal limitations. In whatever work function or career they choose, a continuing expansion and deepening of their personal truth will be helped through genuine desire and active cooperation with others as equal partners. Some people with this astrological signature will wander from place to place and job to job in order to make money just to get by. Ideally, right work will be in service of some kind, but also be varied and interesting. Boredom and a feeling of being trapped in a job or career could also result in moving from job to job in an attempt to bring some sense of adventure into the worklife.
Individuated
Liberation from consensus society, its beliefs and ways of doing things will be key to discovering and aligning their personal value system and truth with Natural Law and principles. Fully embracing this liberating impulse will help purge personal limitations, delusive beliefs and contribute to self-empowerment. In addition, this process will help empower the individual through the expansion and deepening of psychological knowledge. Depending upon the evolutionary condition within the individuated state, this could mean a partial separation from mainstream beliefs all the way to an outright rejection of anything that represents the consensus. In some cases, for reasons of emotional security, there will be a dogged refusal to embrace personal liberation, all while rationalizing to themselves why they are maintaining the status quo. In cases like this, there will be an internal disconnect from the life-lie they are living. In general, the freedom to discover who they naturally are will be of utmost importance. Typically there will be a rejection of anything or anyone who attempts to subjugate them or restrict their freedom. Since there is a sense of ease with people in all elements of society, including people who are considered weird by the mainstream, they can find meaningful work or a career as a go-between or social educator in helping others find right work. The recognition that everyone has equal value in a society whose core beliefs are patriarchal or run counter to Natural Law can inspire the search for ways to help people find power within themselves. In the context of personal relationships, there will be an attraction to people of like mind. This also applies to intimate relationships where an openess to experimental or taboo sexuality can deepen and expand personal knowledge. Ideally both partners will mutually encourage the freedom to self-empower in any way they feel necessary, as long as honesty and trust are in play. Positively expressed, old ways of relating will be purged and a more open attitude towards one another will be adopted. Partnerships where perfunctory ways of relating have become the norm will probably not last very long.
Spiritual
Finding and aligning personal truth with timeless, universal principles will be accomplished by actively engaging in a relationship with God/Goddess. The actual experience of God/Goddess within will purge delusive beliefs and limitations of all kinds. Old spiritul attitudes and values that do not reflect actual reality must go. Some in the spiritual state will choose to embrace and interact with Nature in the way of Shamanism - Nature as teacher. In embracing a natural way of living, they will be reflecting more closely the Truth of who they really are. As their Consiousness deepens and expands, this Soul will simultaneously radiate an auric field of power and humility that naturally attracts others who are also seeking their own Truth. The freedom to follow an intuitionally-guided lifepath will continue to be necessary, and relationships with partners who encourage that freedom will also be necessary. Positively expressed, they, in turn will encourage the partner's freedom to explore and discover their own Truth. Old patterns of relating where the needs of one is more important than the needs of the other must be purged. Co-equality, honesty and truth will contribute to the healthy soul-growth of those involved. The penetrating inner searchlight of Truth must excavate and discard any remnants of persistent delusive beliefs, behaviors and resulting limitations. As described in the other evolutionary states, honesty, openess and trust are the healthiest and best ways of relating as reflections of those timeless, universal principles. DDD
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! Yes, how the Soul uses, or applies, the knowledge of psychology and ability to counsel others is a critical evolutionary lesson symbolized by this natal signature. As you mentioned, these capacities can be used in a honest way to benefit others in some way, or in a dishonest way for self-serving and manipulative purposes. The need to become self-honest is also symbolized by Venus in Sagittarius. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva! :)
Hi Everyone,
Pluto in Libra conjunct the South Node in the 6th house ruler Venus in Sag in the 8th:
The Archetype of Venus in Sag in the 8th is going to be one where the Soul is desiring to align themselves with a system of understanding and or a body of knowledge that allows them to decipher the truth of their own psychological dynamics as well as the psychological dynamics of others, a system of understanding that answers the Why. They will desire deeply to understand the truth of themselves and others and ultimately form a fuller more expanded holistic understanding of truth through this orientation to life. The Sag archetype naturally desires to understand itself from some cosmological point of view and in a sag sort of way will desire to remake that over and over again in ever expanding concentric circles of understanding. One where the Soul will desire to tare down the old limiting psychological dynamics and ways of relating to others that are preventing evolutionary Soul growth. With Venus in the 8th house in Sag the Soul will desire to remove all sources of unnatural guilt, guilt born from man made beliefs, systems of understanding or religions that are not based in Natural Laws and are limiting the Soul.
Within the desire of Sag to convince and convert I also feel there is another dynamic here to this that has to do with the Natural enthusiasm inherent to Sag. Sag wants to share its truth share its understanding with others not always coming from a need or desire to convince and convert but more so because the Soul here deeply Values Truth, Venus in Sag in the 8th. This to me also feels like a necessary dynamic of Sag to share its personal truth with others because through the desire to share personal truth and understanding is how the Soul learns to keep expanding upon its truth through comparing that with others personal truths and understanding. In fact this is how the Soul learns to jettison systems of understanding or beliefs that aren't based in Natural Law through conflicting or opposing beliefs or systems of understanding. In this way the Soul comes to an ever fuller and holistic understanding of Ultimate Truth based in Universal Natural Laws. Of course the key here is to accept others view points or truths as their own and for the Soul to not feel threatened by others truth and I feel this naturally happens the more the Soul opens up to and aligns with Natural Laws.
Here is where I see some strong potential issues for the why of the reliving of dynamics of Pluto conjunct the South node in Libra in the 6th ruler Venus in the 8th in Sag. The Soul with Venus in Sag in the 8th Values truth and understanding above all things, this will be their orientation coming into this life as well as where absolute security lies and ultimately where the Soul is learning deep lessons. I feel we have talked a lot about attaching to beliefs of a delusive nature and then the need to convince and convert due to the Souls security being caught up in those delusive beliefs but what if a Soul is just deeply attached to the Truth in general and what ever new truth it finds itself within and just can't help but want to share that truth with others. Or conversely comes to deeply understand some new truth about someone the Soul is in intimate relationships with family, friends, lovers and just wants to share what they see or come to understand. What if the Soul is at a level of opening up to Natural Laws and starting the process of aligning with a Fusion with those Natural Laws and can't help but deeply desire to share this with others to apply it to themselves and others, this in some way must be the intention here of the Soul with Venus in Sag in the 8th? The Soul is desiring to merge with others has a deep need to metamorphoses limitations with others through also merging with Natural Law this is where all the psychological dynamics of their selves and others comes into the full light of day. This is where you will also see all the imbalances and distortions of Libra and the confrontations and power plays that will ensue due to the imbalances and distortions not based in Natural Laws. This could all play out through the Soul having these desires but ultimately ending up in relations with others that are mired in their own delusive beliefs and understanding and this happens through the misapplication of trust. The Soul is going to desire to grow to expand past these limitations based on delusive beliefs with in themselves and with others and naturally is going to desire the growth of others that it has relations with but what if others do not have this same orientation to life. This will be the ultimate challenge here for the Soul deep lessons around Understanding how they can relate with others in equal and balanced ways coming from a place of self honesty through Natural Laws when others are not balanced or are not coming from a place of personal honesty or alignment with Natural Laws themselves. This is not to say that the Soul here has achieved this things fully themselves but it is their orientation towards life to purge delusive beliefs and come to a place of personal honesty with in themselves and with others if they are actually desiring to get real and from my own understanding and life experience I find most people don't want to get real they don't really want to get into their own deep inner dynamics and they certainly don't appreciate when others try to push them in that direction of acknowledgment of their own stuff. What happens when the Souls whole orientation to life and what it values is the complete opposite of most others it finds itself in relations with? I honestly don't have a lot of answers to this but you can see that the Soul is deeply learning lessons around respecting others personal boundaries of autonomy and this is an issue with Venus being in the 8th and in Sag, the Soul does not desire that sort of limitation with others. This is where the Soul could come face to face with the reality that they have a complete and total lack of understanding of personal boundaries of truth with others. Hence the deep internal and external confrontations with others, imbalances in relationships with others, issues around inferiority and superiority, domination submission, sado masochism. Then through the Virgo archetype the Soul through these types of relationships will be learning lessons of True Humility, Discrimination, Self Improvement, Purging Victimization, Personal Boundaries...
The key here is that not only will the Soul desire Soul growth for themselves they will desire this growth
for others as well. Lessons here being learned around the beliefs or systems of understanding the Soul is attaching to understand itself, the need to convince and convert others because of the security and attachment to those beliefs or systems of understanding as well as deep lessons around others need for Autonomy within the Souls search for Truth. The Soul is learning to Value others points of views truths and Understanding.
I have been having a hard time lately isolating or independently analyzing any archetype independent of its counter polarity point and came to the understanding through deeply thinking of this that there really is no way to actually do that. That through the natural laws of duality or cause and effect that the understanding of one archetype is lost with out its opposite. So within this I really started to think about the Relive and blocking action of Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th and what I came to understand was that even though there is a blockage of some sort from the North Node intentions in the 12th house that you can't really leave out the Pisces, 12th house, Neptune archetype of why the Soul is in a relive and blocked for a determined amount of time. Even though the Soul is blocked from the North Node intentions for this determined amount of time the Archetype of Pisces still manifests as a relive in some way due to not being independent from the 6th House Virgo Archetype and I feel the relive is more than just Understanding Delusion but what is the 12th House relive or lesson? I feel this deeply has to do with what I mentioned above about "Personal Boundaries". Within the whisper or desire to evolve or go forward to the North Node in the 12th the Soul has to learn lessons first around the fact that in the past it has manifested an emphasized need to dissolve personal boundaries with others, that the Soul doesn't actually truly understand Boundaries or possibly even desire Boundaries with others. The Soul desired to merge with others to dissolve these boundaries or limitations but all sorts wounding happened through misapplied trust. Wounding to the self wounding to others through not seeing the self and others clearly. The Soul will be learning who to trust who to confide in, learning to build healthy boundaries, learning discrimination of who to relate to, learning what it can tell others about itself, what it can tell others about themselves and what their place is in all this.
Thank You,
Heather
Will write the evolutionary stages soon.....
Hi All,
Firstly thank you to everyone who has contributed to the thread so far. It has been really valuable to read your posts, and has even encouraged me to make my first attempt here, so here goes:
Pluto 6th house Libra, conjunct SN, SN ruler Venus 8th house Sagittarius
A Soul with this astrological signature desires to perfect its role/function within any given relationship it initiates. The soul has refined various social and interpersonal skills, such as the ability to objectively listen to, discern and evaluate another's reality. This ability has allowed the soul to gain an acute awareness of the essential needs and subsequent projected expectations of other individuals within relationships, as well as their own.
Another aspect of the soul's desire nature regards the need to readjust and purify the application of their personal will within relationships. The soul will confront this lesson through learning proper discrimination of when to give or not to give, thereby developing a discernment of the underlying motivating factors behind their relationship dynamics and choices, leading to greater self-knowledge.
Depending on the soul's level of evolution and self-awareness, the (self-)knowledge acquired may be used positively to resolve potential conflicts of will within relationships, thereby empowering itself and another. Negatively, the soul may try to maintain its compulsive desire nature, consequently disempowering another or allowing others to disempower itself - inwardly aware that this choice can also act as a source of power.
These choices will attract the soul to repeatedly reconnect with other souls with whom profound karmic history is shared, and the soul will attempt to assume the role/function as the "perfect ideal partner", emerging as a source of deep unconscious emotional security. Consequently, the soul has compulsively strived to actualise this desire via meeting the projected needs and expectations of others, to the extent that past-life egocentric structures/identities were defined by this soul's orientation.
The soul will have actualised its desires within relationships by penetrating to the bottom-line of any belief system from which these projected expectations originate, developing a psychological understanding of what precisely these expectations constitute or dictate about their role/function within a relationship according to that belief system. The soul will analyse the measure of power of any belief system it encounters via its relationships, and will therefore encounter any pre-existing limitations associated with its role/function within relationships.
The attraction to these relationships serves the soul's unconscious emotional security linked with its desire to cultivate its role/function as the "perfect ideal partner", whilst the repulsion is linked to the insecurity provoked by the realisation that perfection of its ideal will never be met.
Accordingly, the soul's source of security is also the source of its insecurity, and over many lifetimes the soul has potentially proceeded to perpetually actualise its desires to the extent that a whole range of dysfunctions manifest within its relationships. Thus, the proverbial Virgo/6th house crisis. The crises confronted within its relationships will force the soul to inwardly question the dynamics of its relationships to determine the motivating factors behind any "why?" of a relationship. The soul is learning the value of perfecting rather than perfection.
Deva, I have begun to write the Evolutionary stages, but would like some feedback before I go ahead just so I know if I am on the right track or not.
All the best,
LAS
Hi LAS,
Thank you for the contribution to this thread! What you have written so far accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house, and Venus in Sagittarius. Yes, self-knowledge in a positive way to re-empower oneself or others, or in a negative way to dis-empower others. Move onto the evolutionary states.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Venus in Sag in the 8th Evolutionary States Continued:
Venus in Sag in the 8th will be working on personal self honesty and purging of delusive beliefs by progressively aligning with Natural Universal Principles and Laws. In the context of being in the 8th house the Venus in Sag person will be delving to the bottom of its own and others psychological dynamics, orientations and motivations to come to a bottom line picture or why of those dynamics. The intention of Sag is to come to understand those dynamics holistically from a natural law point of view or understanding and to purge delusive beliefs through this orientation to life. In this way the Soul will naturally metamorphosis the limitation of victimization based on feelings of abandonment and having the rug pulled out from underneath them so to speak as well a empower themselves and others, through gaining psychological knowledge of the self and others. The Soul will also be learning to Value and honor others personal truth and understanding and will be purging the need to convince and convert others through aligning with the Natural Understanding that all paths lead to one. Linking this back to Venus and Libra on the South Node in the 6th the Soul is learning a completely different way to relate to ones self and others based on dynamics of Co-Equality, sharing, giving and inclusion as well as when to give and not to give based on a supreme form of giving, in this way the Soul will be learning to purge all sense of victimization, self improvement, externalization of an inner critical focus and how to actually be of service to others through a totally rehaul of past dynamics of how one is providing service and relating to others. Once the Soul starts to metamorphosis the psychological dynamics of the past then through Sag the Soul will expand consciousness and head into its North Node intentions being in the 12th house.
Consensus State:
Venus in Sag in the 8th House through a positive expression and understanding of these dynamics will be working to get to the bottom line truth of itself and others psychological dynamics through honing in on personal honesty and will desire to climb the social latter through this orientation to life. The Soul here will most likely be aligning with some system of understanding or religion based in the majority of consensus or the parental environment. The Soul may desire to advance the Social latter by gaining credentials as possibly a psychotherapist and provide valued and needed service to others to get to the bottom line of their own psychological dynamics and intentions to encourage personal truth and to empower themselves and others, in this way they will be learning co-equality. In a negative expression the Soul will attach to a system or religion based in delusion and will try to convince or convert others to these truths in possibly a manipulative and underhanded way.
Individual State:
In this State the Soul will desire to move away from consensus reality and peer into the bottom of their psychological dynamics and others by aligning with systems of understanding that are on the outside of consensus. The Soul will be working towards understanding their orientations to life from a more natural view and be throwing off conditions linked with delusive beliefs. The Soul here will most likely desire to be rather open, forceful or destructive with their personal truths because of the link of rebelling from consensus reality and delusive beliefs linked with the feelings of abandonment abuse and having the rug pulled out from underneath them. In a positive expression the Soul will be aligning more and more with its own persona truth and allow their difference to guide them. They will acknowledge and encourage others who are breaking free from consensus who are different as well and most likely desire to provide some sort of service through an alternative therapy. The Soul will be learning co-equality personal truth and empowerment of self and others through aligning with groups of like mind who are breaking free from consensus traditions in relationships.
Spiritual State:
Starting into the Spiritual State the Soul will be working on purging all past limitations to how one is relating to ones self and others based on delusive beliefs. The Soul will be learning co-equal relationships with others and will be naturally aligning more and more with Natural Universal Laws, Truths and Principles to metamorphosis its past ways of relating to itself and others. The Soul will deeply Value personal Truth and will be going very deep into its own and others psychological understandings to get to the bottom line why of personal truth. The Soul here will be interested only in the absolute bottom line why of anything and will use this orientation to life to get to the bottom of their own dynamics as well as others. In time as the Soul aligns more and more with Natural Laws it will be able to metamorphosis limitations based in victimization based on feelings of abuse, betrayal, abandonment, having the rug pulled out from underneath them. The Soul will be learning a complete and total new way to relate to themselves and others based in absolute balance, co-equality, sharing giving inclusion, when to give and not give, the Soul will be learning to completely Value others truths and understandings and will come into a deep alignment that all paths lead to one. The Soul will deeply desire to throw off the past and heal as well as help others heal, to self empower and to empower others. The Soul will desire to heal its past orientations through a Fusion with Natural Law and Nature and will be immersing itself into methods and techniques that have the effect of drawing the Natural God into themselves and expanding consciousness. The Soul will desire deeply to help others heal through acknowledging others reality and truths and encouraging a fusion with Nature and Natural Laws themselves, to encourage others to answer their own questions to get the proof they seek and desire for themselves to know life and the Natural God through experiment and experience. In this way the Soul will be of true and Natural Service to God.
Thank You,
Heather
Hi Deva and everyone,
I will post on Thursday, thanks for your patience.
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of E.A! what you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, and Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house. Yes, crisis and extremities (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node) will be purged as the Soul self-empowers through alignment with personal truth and Natural Law (Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house). In this way, the individual can discern which relationships reflect this alignment, and which do not. Venus in Sagittarius symbolizes that self-honesty is essential to make this evolutionary transition.
Namaste,
Deva
Ok thank you Deva
Heather
Hi Deva and Everyone,
i have been intending to post all throughout the week but with other works coming in i will be only able to post half of the assignment and follow in the next of days with the Evolutionary States.
Thank you for (always) waiting on me...
Sagittarius conditioning the expression of the SN/Pluto ruler- Venus
Eight house/Sagittarius deeply wants to know the truth.
JWG himself has these archetypes very strongly emphasized, and by the work his soul was assigned and dedicated the life to, we are fortunate enough to be able to have the tools to try and know this for ourselves, our souls, and some also for others, helping others to know the truth of their own souls. Personally, i am grateful everyday to have found this community and teachers. Any EA student will know by itself, by personal experience, that the EA paradigm is the direct expression of natural law. One of the ways we can chose to interpret reality and truth, and specially the reality and truth of the soul, the Divine manifestation in our lives.
In the case we are studying, with Sagittarius in the 8th house conditioning the planetary ruler of the south node conjunct Pluto, what the soul has been wanting to know, the process of growing beyond limitations with new knowledge and experiences, was either partially or completely avoided, or fully invested in.
This signature can create a complex situation where at the same time the soul is stuck in the past, pluto/sn, although oriented/desiring to move towards the future, Jupiter/Sagittarius natural archetypal expression.
Positively expressed, Sagittarius is about expansion, visions/intuition, the future, knowing how to grow beyond limitations to experience true nature. Even more so if we remember that Uranus has its own south node in Sagittarius - messages from the unconscious towards freedom and liberation. But Uranus is also the archetype of most deep or traumatic memories that pertain to the soul's past and unconscious.
So how is this contributing to a soul in this condition? Are the unconscious messages serving instead as a way to perpetuate the past, repeat old confrontations and traumas, fears and insecurity?
With venus in the 8th house conditioned by sagittarius, the soul can have many unconscious memories of not being told the truth, many betrayals of trust regarding what others were saying, pluto libra, and the truth of they were doing or meant. The reverse situation could also have occurred, with the soul not having the courage, lack of development of the PPP in aries, to speak the truth about its feelings regarding other people and situations, keeping on giving and serving, or taking and demanding. Losing freedom or take other's freedom with abuse of power. These dynamics could also have occurred simultaneously, and the question is why, or what remains unknown form its consciousness and is keeping the soul from evolving, repeating behaviours.
My first deduction is that the soul will need to re-live many relationships with former partners, friends, teachers, work colleagues, etc., where these dynamics mentioned above are projected, in order to correctly discriminate between what is being said, to in fact listen, and what is the reality, to in fact know. And know also its own deeper motives.
Many times, the soul will function out of the instinctual certainty to already know, to already have the answer. When what the soul already knows is based on the deductions of experiences past lived. If the belief system adopted long time ago compromises the soul's true nature, any action taken will only perpetuate compromise. In a loop-cycle, confrontations will serve to secure and accentuate personal identification with beliefs that are nothing of who this soul really is. Pluto conjunct the south node is that moment in evolution where all this dynamics have to be confronted, and long time ways of interpreting reality undergo deep change. Sixth house pluto and south node are the way for the soul to first, be in a situation to put in question its own beliefs, uncertainty, issues of avoidance, directly or indirectly impacting the work and living environment and being of service to others. That is, to experience blocks instead of the necessary work fulfilment it was destined to perform, that will be in every way an offer to society.
Exceptions made for the soul in a total fruition condition, that even though wanting to move forward with new expansion, discoveries and personal freedom, still has some old wisdom to share.
It is also very difficult to ignore that in order to go deeper into what has kept this soul so stuck, the south node of jupiter is also conjunct pluto's own south node, and we are back to question whether this soul has completed the desires and lessons of its own distant past. What cosmological, religious or metaphysical principles have been determining old beliefs, and whether they are a manifestation of natural or man made laws (jupiter, pluto and saturno south nodes conjunct)
Is this soul is in fact helping and serving others according to what they ask and need, or giving to others what it is convinced others need from the soul? And is the soul able to received from others, or constantly in a giving mode? Are there any ulterior motives determining this processes?
With Sagittarius this can be a very difficult dynamic to personally identify and break because intimate relationships, venus in the 8th house, are areas where the soul is convinced of its own ability to know and penetrate deep, really arrive to the truth and motives of others, to intimately know where others are coming from and why. But what about the deep needs and desires of the soul, are they being so thoroughly searched?
It is a curious fact that most of my female friends happen to have Sagittarius sun (or moon). And i have this one friend in particular, always very funny, that whenever presented by anyone with a new suggestion/approach for her own life problems or difficulties always starts by replying "Listen, i'm going to explain you" :-) There is no way to "explain" something to Sagittarius (specially for a question Sagittarius did not pose or already answered). Sagittarius natural expression is never to compromise the freedom to search for its own knowledge with direct experiences on and by itself! All the intuitive faculty comes from putting this process in action, going through it and learn from it. Positively expressed, sagittarius is the archetype of natural teachers.
The problem however is if, because of this self fulfilling search and based on knowing that (personal) truth has been found, to want to forcefully spread it or make others believe it also for their own lives. If Sagittarius tries to impose the "truth" to others, we have its negative archetypal expression that, in a broader context, is behind what we are seeing in the world today - one religion or group trying to impose and fight others, "my truth is the only truth and your's is just a lie". The resulting alienation, nothing is true anymore, that only defeats.
The task of the contemporary human (one of them at least) is to restore this archetype positive original expression. A great example is one Timothy Snider's lessons from 'On Tyranny, 20 Lessons from the 20th century':
"Believe in the truth. To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. If nothing is true, then no one can criticize power, because there is no basis upon which to do so. If nothing is true, then all is spectacle. The biggest wallet pays for the most blinding lights".
Or, if we can put it in EA terms, the necessary integration of Gemini polarity point, analise facts, and criticise reality, Virgo, in order to know the truth, Sagittarius, from delusion, Pisces.
Transposed to our study, this soul's greatest fear, and the reasons why there is still no integration of NN and PPP, 12th house/Aries, is related to the deep intuitive sense that personal delusions are the soul's most painful experiences. The negative but sometimes necessary expression of the pisces/12th house archetype.
When something/someone the soul has believed in, faithfully committed to, turns out very different in reality, loss of meaning can undermine the whole of the soul's structure. In a opposite way, the soul can also know that to uncover personal truths about something or someone can have a devastating impact on its own and other's reality, and avoid it altogether. Sacrificing itself, maintaining the situation or relationship. Keep it all going until no longer possible until the truth finally explodes, with much devastating results. Or, if functioning from an abusive position, to use and manage this exact dynamics to maintain power over intimate others and run it at will - lie, hide and manipulate to get something in return. To hurt others.
In essence, this soul has an absolute desire to recycle old concepts and phsycological dynamics that have been determining the choices of who to relate to, how and why. The prescription, Virgo, might be to forgive, pisces, heal and relax, and also sometimes doubt itself, laugh of itself and keep going one day at time, with the natural humorous side of sagittarius.
(i will continue with the evolutionary states shortly)
SN ruler Venus in 8th house Sagittarius:
Venus in 8th house Sagittarius manifest within inner and outer function of Venus, the inner nature correlates to how individuals inwardly relating to themselves, with this signature, they typically have intuitive inner knowing that there is universal truth beyond all physical reality, there is natural law within the universe, that nothing is chaos, everything functions under natural law, thus they need some kind of philosophy/religion/belief system guidance, they deeply know that there is meaning, special purpose of their life, thus they need to directly experience it, to live their personal truth and natural path. With outer nature of Venus, this need will project into various relationships, circumstances, they will relate others, life itself as well as universe based on their inner belief, philosophy, sort of like living through filter as to what is meaningful for them, what is their personal truth. Souls with this signature have used these beliefs/philosophies defined who they are and what is their purpose, how can they provide service to whole in the past, on one hand, they developed deep wisdom from past searching, on the other hand, there are some old beliefs or perspectives became limitation for further growth. Because souls know their own path, desire perpetual growth and evolution, when they hold on to outdated belief, half truth that began to limit their growth, crisis happen. They can be lost of perspectives, sinking into existence void, start to doubt if there is truth that they can experiences within human consciousness, if there is any meaning of life, if there is a special purpose, do they really have any worth. This inner function leads them going deeper into themselves, that is when the old beliefs dies, they dive into the darkness, going through deeply analysis "not this, not that", and new perspective are reborn within their soul, in this period, they may attract others represent these future possibilities, new perspectives, mirroring their new choice, but the transformation power need to be from within, so they can healthily transmute limitation, merging with deeper truth. When they are resisting of changes, they may keep attracting people criticize their beliefs, challenge their point of views, and who are also wise and deep, can point out flaws of their beliefs, create the pressure within environment/relationships that individuals can't be in denial or sustain the old dynamics anymore.
In intimate relationships, individuals with this signature need freedom to seek personal truth, need meaningful relationships that constant grow and expand, ultimately, they are seeking natural way to be in intimate relationships, as if two souls can be naked with each other, discover their natural state of being within relationship, deeply merge on a soul level, experience a transcendent state in the merging experience. Venus correlates to listen, also how we relate to others, Sagittarius has natural ability of compassion, that is to understand other's reality, limitation, how others experiences things psychologically and emotionally (8th house), also understand what they can provide to help others transmute their limitation, what can not be done for others. Positively expressed, they can really create a natural healthy relationship environment, use their intuition, wisdom, guide others to their personal truth and natural path, encourage others to find their inner power, connect with their inner knowing/natural law/personal truth, understand evolution is free choice, they are not able to convince others or force their value onto others even that seems the right path for others.
Sagittarius correlates to natural law, soul with this signature will typically attract partners from past lives, or relive past dynamics in current relationships, that is a way to improve, especially when they violated natural law or have unresolved karma from past, there is a desire to make it right this time under guidance of natural law. For example, they may carry natural guilt within soul, remind them to realign with natural law, make adjustment in relationships, learn to form equal healthy balanced relationship, or they may learn natural law to dissolve man made guilt that keep them in victimization.
When expressed negatively, they may attract unbalanced teacher/student, counselor/counselee, rescuer/victim type of relationships, and going through power struggle between roles. For example, when individuals feel lack of wisdom/power for future growth, they may project these desires on partner who seems to know the answers, they may sacrifice their own truth, to be service for this partner, yet doesn't matter how much effort they make, they are never good enough/validated in the relationship, to reinforce the powerless feeling that they don't have ability to transmute limitation independently. In other case, when they feel their wisdoms are the special service they can provide, without understanding objectively other's personal truth, they may attract partners always in crisis, need to be rescued/guided, to sustain the co-dependency, they need the partner to stay in crisis and helpless state, they may sustain their own power by manipulated partner's psychological week point.
Lastly, Pluto conjunct SN in Libra 6th house, ruler Venus in 8th house Sagittarius, with this signature, souls project past beliefs/perspectives that restrained further growth consciously inward or unconsciously outward, to recycle, and finally exhaust karmic dynamics which becomes limitations. When they do it in a conscious way through rituals/meditations/inner conversations, the function is similar to 'agni' ritual that JWG taught, souls project these experiences and accompanied feelings/emotions into fire during meditation, until there is no more images appear, or create inner conversations with self until nothing left to express, that is exhausted; In an unconscious way, they project these dynamics into various relationships, keep reacting to past experiences, thus re-creating old dynamics over and over again, reliving leads soul to ask why, then start to consciously move forward. All experiences mirrors soul's perspective in different forms of crisis, with Sagittarius archetype, souls have potentials to know the pattern, the big picture, the meaning and purpose behind experiences, by doing rituals or forming relationships, by repeating, there will come to release point, the desire to move forward overcomes the desire to maintain security. Souls will be able to see clearly that they have been stuck by sense of victimization, denial, blame others or avoidance, with this realization, the old pattern dissolves because souls have no attachment anymore, then perspective switches within, souls will focus more on solution, future, instead of past wound, they are able to expand their consciousness to see these difficult experiences as part of whole experiences of evolution, as to why did it happen, then they can transmute limitation, embrace future growth/expansion, also in this process souls are able to share wisdom, resources, teach/empower others to do the same, transform others in various relationships. When Venus in 8th house Sagittarius, there is natural power of hope or belief, from intuitively knowing their path, if souls can trust this inner knowing (a deep relationships to inner guides), and keep working on their lessons, they will reach the releasing point, and start to experiences karmic fruition, this then empower them to trust their natural knowledge of self, to be honest, authentic, walk on their soul's path freely, no need for permission or validation from others, also no need to convince others to their truth to feel secure.
I will post evolutionary states soon.
Hi Wei,
What you have written so far accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house, and Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house. Yes, purging the need to convince and convert others and trusting one's intuitive knowledge allows expansion beyond limited beliefs. You make a good point that relationships that are based upon the mutual commitment to both partner's growth, and freedom to discover one's personal truth reflect a healing negative patterns of the past (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house). I look forward to reading the evolutionary states soon.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and All,
after some past weeks of much work and not being able to have the necessary time, stillness and focus for the assignment, i'm posting the evolutionary states part.
Thank you again for your patience.
Helena
Sagittarius conditioning the expression of the SN/Pluto ruler- Venus
Evolutionary States
Consensus
In an evolutionary state where mainstream society's rules, regulations and beliefs have much determination on the soul's choices, the desire would be to differentiate between universal beliefs that are common to every religion or structured social or political organisation and are direct expressions of natural law, and beliefs that are delusional by nature in those organised belief systems and keep determining the way the soul relates and the why for keep getting involved repeatedly in the same dynamics. One aspect that might me possible for any soul with this signature of re-living in any evolutionary stage is the fact of actual having a sense, intuition, of being trapped in the same situation over and over, like already been gone through it. This feeling can contribute positively for the necessary discrimination ahead and help the soul to trust more her our his instincts and gut feelings, specially when the feeling is a red sign, that something needs to change or is deeply wrong. In this exercise the themes of searching for knowledge, deep reasearch in academic institutions, work related to investigation on higher levels, religious studies, etc, can be the road from which the soul will get the necessary answers from where to start rebuilding a new base of facts that allow for new understanding and interpretation of reality. Many confrontations might come from teachers or work colleagues that represent reflections of the souls past beliefs based on everything that was not natural or true. Much of personal change can also appear in the form of intimate relationships in which the same dynamics of teacher/student can come into play/reflection/re-living.
Individuated
When the main soul's work is to know, experience and express its own individuality, with this karmic and evolutionary signature, the soul needs to be its own teacher. Like in the previous state, here emphasised, the soul may be a strong advocate for truth or lies. It is the soul's choice to follow a path either based on reality or delusion. if the first is true, the confrontations will be very strong with any teacher type that tries to impose beliefs, starting with parents, and the desire to know what to believe by personal experience and resonance. In this cases where those teachers, parents, partners, coleagues, friends, etc., try to impose their own truths, it is the soul's work not to feel guilty by not following those beliefs and go on its own, as this is an old dynamic that keeps the soul stuck. If this work is not done, other's beliefs might be continuously adopted and the dynamic of guilt will be played out on others that think differently. Eventually, with pluto conjunct the south node, the lies will be exposed at some time with bigger magnitude, proportionally to the level of avoidance, because in the end the soul's desire would be to know and live the truth.
The dynamics of listening to the real self inside tend to be avoided and compensated by giving too much focus on others, fulfilling others needs, or what it intuites others will need. In this case, to give is actually impose giving in order to feel needed. What will happen if the person in this situation actually listens to the deeper inner self, the soul? From there resides the real self the soul needs to find and show to others. In this process many relationships will ended, many illusions will be exposed, and a deep void will be naturally replaced by a loving way of relating and giving.
I tend to quote many times, and i apologise if it is too much, simply because thinking about EA and applying the paradigm make no sense to me if i don't relate my daily events or past memories as direct expressions of it, and in this case, sorry if i will quote again ;) a phrase i read recently attributed to Saint Augustine "Love, and do what you like", could be applied as a problem solver in this condition (and to every evolutionary state). If there is misapplied sense of service, 6th house/libra, the soul can perceive that love is sacrifice. Meaning that "to love" rarely could be accompanied simultaneously by the feeling or experience of what the soul likes or deeply wants. Others and other's perceived desires might keep occupying this space. And the resentment/expectations, conditional love, that could follow. The individuated soul needs to undo this dynamic by starting to discover what is it that makes it feel alive, loving, and positively grounded. First for itself, than for others.
If the soul can love and do what it likes, others around are free to do the same.
Spiritual State
Listening to the true desires of the soul in this case, can be to have the strength, courage (PPP) and knowledge that by doing so, acting, others will be of great benefit. In the spiritual state, to accept the personal responsibility to be at service of the Source, can translate in becoming a vehicle for timeless, universal, teachings. The task of the soul can be to humbly accept the role it has been given, overcome fears and self-perceived limitations and above all, trust. 12th house polarity point. Learning to shift in applying trust in people and situations (in the form of expectations or misapplied trust) to absolute trust in God/dess, and the truth of natural universal laws. Learn to develop a positive approach to life, develop faith. With SN/pluto 6th house, it is crucial to recycle, and develop new ritualised practices to daily experience and apply this connection to the Source, be it meditation, yoga, natural diets, work methods that are a direct application of natural living, meaning, to practice life in harmony with nature and all other living organisms and souls. This does not mean that the soul will be "perfect" or have a "perfect life". No such exists and it is even crucial for virgo/6th house to value the beauty in imperfection, to give up perfection. But it does mean that soul's intentions are pure and transparent to all, since one of the shadows of jupiter/8th house is to hide the truth at the expense of beliefs. The soul in the spiritual state is purging all adopted beliefs and practicing. Becoming a living example and messenger of purity. Pure motives, pure intentions and pure actions as a result of filtering any impurities that might still be. Purity as in being in accordance to natural law.
Hi Helena,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, and Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house relative to the evolutionary conditions. Yes, if the Soul trusts its intuitive knowledge rather than relying on delusive beliefs growth will take. In addition, the dynamic of imposing truth/others imposing truth will be purged. In terms of the notion of perfection, as Yogananda says "Try to be a little bit better everyday, and if you don't make it simply just keep trying." As you have stated, this reflects an alignment with Natural Law and the Natural God/dess.
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva! And what a beautiful message too :)
Helena
Consensus State
In this state, Venus in 8th house Sagittarius individuals will relate to social environment according to a resonate religion/philosophy/knowledge system that is validated by mainstream, they are searching for a basis to explain and analysis the environment, others within the environment, compare other's philosophical view to theirs, get deep insight into whatever work field they are in, diagnose what need to be done for growth and expansion, they may use higher education or devote to religion to claim the social ladder. In work function, positively expressed, individuals naturally know their path, deeply merging with their work, they will dig deeper, go further where others are limited to explore, they could be in any social service work, expose truth/dark secret, help victims/under dogs within social system, empower them to find a way to enter society in a more equal way, also share resources either help others to get better education, or transform others with their belief system that developed from within/direct experiences. In distorted expression, they may compensate their inner lacking with power, money, resources from relationships, and justify wrong behavior with religion/mainstream validated belief system/value system and so on, of course they will encounter criticize/confrontation from others, recycle any alternative reality, these crisis, power/powerless cycle will go on until they are willing to face inner truth, re-align with natural belief system, put energy/work into path which is meaningful for them. This reminds me a story of a friend, her boss used to be very ambitious and manipulative, her goal was focused on claiming social ladder, after a traumatic intimate relationship, everything of her life lost meaning, she lost resources at her work, also there were none support in work environment because what she did to others before, she started to transcribe Buddhist texts as daily practice, as a way to purify her heart and all the compulsive desires, she accepted the situation at work, just doing her best every day, of course time past, people see the change in her, become supportive to her again, in this way, she transformed the work environment as well as how she relate to others, I don't know her chart, but it reflect this archetype, use Sagittarius positively, merging with a religious practice, learn the lesson of humble, purify desires, become more authentic and aligned with one's natural state.
Individual State
In this state, individuals will look for meaning/purpose outside mainstream belief system, with Pluto/SN conjunction, in prior life times, they have already developed some work skills, their inner value/vision may become limitation for further development, they need to polish/perfect these skills by actualizing their unique individuality, be a service, doing their work in a way that's meaningful for themselves, express their world view/belief system/interpretation through their work function, in this way, they will introduce future oriented viewpoint and expand their work environment, it could be doing international business, or absorb/integrate different culture/information/methods into one's work, but transform these existed information with their individuality/vision/wisdom, deepen the information through their direct experiences/experiment, create one's unique system. Because Sagittarius is a restless archetype, 8th house correlates to desire for transformation, for evolution, individuals may be very frustrated and self-doubt during the cycle that they need to slow down, review, make necessary adjustment, in this period, they are discriminating which goal is aligned with their soul's path, and what desire/goal represent the past thus should be purged, the trick is to do everything naturally. This requires individuals to look within, to explore the truth about their individual soul, also trust inner intuition about their path/future, and stick with it, do their best every day, then they will be rewarded by expansion. In relationship wise, individuals with this signature inwardly relate to themselves or relate to others in a no BS, brutally honest way, because they constantly examine themselves, I have an impression that they are trying to find a balance, how to express their authentic self within social context, interact with other people's belief/reality without compensating their truth or convincing/converting others, they also require deeply connection on soul level, meaningful relationships that provide constant growth.
Spiritual State
Souls in this state, are exploring their natural way to go back to source, they need a system they are resonate with, daily spiritual practice, assist them to understand/experience the universal truth. In this state, souls will also learn how to relate to oneself and others based on this universal natural law, thus purging any beliefs that created unbalanced relationship dynamics from the past. In work function, they inwardly know their path to be service, they will deepen connection with natural law, purging/purifying separating desires, the teaching/service will point to source not themselves, they will inwardly experiences the relationship between individual soul and source, their soul's special destiny connect to the bigger picture of collective evolution of human souls, how everything are interrelated, because of this understanding, inner knowing, they have deep compassion for other souls in all different evolutionary state, they can directly tune into other's needs, what's their limitation, also their teaching can be very penetrating, expand other people's consciousness, empower others find their natural way to merging with source. Their inner strength/security will come from, realizing the inner connection with universe, something larger, ultimately source itself, in this way they can feel complete within themselves. I feel at this state, especially early spiritual stage, souls need to discriminate who to trust, who to be service to, because their teaching may be secret knowledge that considered taboo, they need to trust their intuition as who are ready to learn these knowledge, protect themselves from being victimizing from their secret knowledge.
Thank you all so much for your patience with me every time!!
Wei
Hi Wei,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, and Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house relative to the evolutionary conditions. The example you used in the consensus state is a wonderful illustration of how this natal signature could manifest in the context of crisis leading to self-adjustment, balance of extremities, and commitment to one's personal truth. Yes, a core lesson is to discern whom to help and whom not (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node) relative to truths that may be misinterpreted by others (Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva!
The next step of the practice thread is Pluto's polarity point. Pluto's polarity point, by house and sign, symbolizes the current life intentions. In essence, it is through developing the opposite archetypal dynamics reflected by the natal position of Pluto that we evolve limitations of the past. In so doing, the dynamics represented by Pluto are evolved in new ways. In the context of Pluto's conjunction to the South Node, Pluto's polarity point symbolizes how the Soul will evolve out of past conditions that have been re-created in this life. The North Node correlates with how the Soul will consciously actualize the current life's intentions, the evolving egocentric structure of the Soul that the Souls constructs in order to evolve itself.
In our practice chart, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node are in the 12th house. Pluto's polarity point in the 12th house symbolizes the current life's intentions revolve around the need to align with timeless, universal principles, define meaning from within rather than externally, and the embrace of the whole, the big picture, rather than the part or little picture. It means to evolve from deductive logic to inductive logic as a result. It means to heal the Soul by understanding why it has create what it has created. It means to focus on solutions versus compulsively sustaining problems as a way of avoiding the inner sense of emptiness. It means to learn how to forgive itself for whatever creates an inner sense of guilt, of not being good enough, of creating excuses for not doing what it should do when it should do it. In so doing crisis, victimization, and externalization of criticism is purged from the Soul. The Pisces/12th house/Neptune archetype correlates with culmination, or completion as well.
One form this evolutionary intent may take is commitment to a higher cause or purpose of some sort. In essence, the Soul performs the work for the sake of the work itself. The role that the individual plays, large or small, does not matter because of the inner meaning of the work. In addition, a simplification of the overall life is symbolized. Avoidance orientated behavior of all sorts and the inner existential void will be purged by alignment to timeless and universal principles. Right work as directed by the Source will replace mundane work: work that has actual meaning to the Soul. In this way, meaning will progressively be defined from within the Soul itself rather than an external role or conditioning factors emanating from the consensus of the society of birth. Within this the need to cultivate a relationship with the Source is reflected by the 12th house polarity point: to cultivate this in their own way. In so doing, the Soul will evolve from temporal values to timeless or natural values that transcend the temporal values of the society of birth.
The North Node in 12th house symbolizes that the evolving egocentric structure of the Soul is based upon the same core dynamics described above; embracing timeless and universal laws, defining ultimate ultimate meaning from within, and to expand the consciousness of the Soul through progressively embracing the big picture of the Whole of life. The North Node in the 12th house re-emphasizes the current life's intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point. These evolutionary lessons will be consciously integrated through simplification of the overall life, alignment with "right work" as directed by the Source, and developing self-forgiveness and compassion rather than an excessively critical focus (North node in the 12th house). In so doing, the conditions of the evolutionary past reflected by Pluto's conjunction to the South Node will evolve.
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, this will manifest as alignment with timeless, universal principles, "right work," and commitment to a higher cause within the mainstream society. Meaningful work within the mainstream will replace mundane work. In so doing, the re-creation of crisis, focus upon inner lack, and avoidance of inner emptiness is brought to culmination.The Soul will cultivate a relationship with Source through mainstream religion taught within the society of birth. This becomes a means to align with timeless, natural principles, and transcend temporal values.
In this evolutionary state, The Soul will desire to advance within the social strata, to get ahead of the system. In a positive expression, "right work" that reflects alignment within universal, natural principles will be used to progress within society. For example, work within non-profit companies which serve a humanitarian, or global, need reflect commitment to a higher cause. This becomes a vehicle through which the Soul consciously actualizes the current life's evolutionary intentions (Pluto's polarity point and North Node in the 12th house). In a negative expression, the individual will undermine this intention by recycling forms of mundane work (Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house), and create the resulting experience of disillusionment (Pluto's polarity point and North Node in the 12th house).
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, this will manifest as alignment with timeless universal, natural principles, "right work," and commitment to a higher cause within an alternative field. Meaningful work within an alternative field will replace past patterns of undermining the need to individuate and the resulting crisis that is created " (Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house). "Right work" will reflect the Soul's inherent individuality, and allow the Soul to heal from past experiences of persecution of rejection from this in the mainstream symbolized by Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house.
In this evolutionary state, alignment with timeless, universal principles will take place through liberation from external conditioning factors within the mainstream society. Evolution from temporal values to natural, timeless values will then occur. Commitment to a higher cause can be reflected through alternative healing practices. For example, astrology, homeopathy and tarot are all possible expressions of alternative healing practices. In a positive expression, the Soul will help others individuate through it's right work within an alternative field. This is a vehicle for the current life's intentions to be consciously actualized (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house). In a negative expression, the Soul will attempt to avoid the need for individuation and actualization of right work through recycling crisis and feelings of inferiority and lack (Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the South Node).
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, this will manifest as alignment with timeless, universal principles, "right work", and commitment to a higher cause through union with the Source. The Soul's "right work" will reflect the knowledge of natural, timeless laws, and how to cultivate a relationship with Source through direct experience. For example, Kriya Yoga which was first taught in the West by Yogananda can be used to spiritually develop, to know and merge with Source. Kriya Yoga is still taught today world wide. In so doing, the patriarchal notions, or conceptions, of spirituality will be brought to culmination. In addition, the re-creation of crisis and self-undermining patterns of the past are purged. This becomes a vehicle trough which the current life's intentions are consciously actualized (North Node in the 12th house). In a positive expression, the Soul will spiritualize through Universal, Timeless laws and direct experience of God/dess. In a negative expression, the Soul will spiritualize through delusive, patriarchal conceptions of Source. The creation of crisis and self-undermining patterns of the past are then recycled as a result (Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 6th house, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house).
Please write out in your own words the current evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in the 12th house, and evolving egocentric structure of the Soul which is used to consciously actualize the current life's intentions reflected by the North Node in the 12th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house so far. Yes, true inspiration and inner meaning is found as the Soul aligns with natural, timeless principles and embraces self-forgiveness and compassion for all it feels guilt about. This is then naturally extended to others. The creation of crisis will be purged as the Soul embraces its "right work," and merges with the Source. The dynamic of inferiority/superiority will also be eliminated. Yes, giving without expectation, giving simply just to give even if others are not doing so, reflects a core evolutionary intention. This will manifest within personal relationships and through "right work" (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house). My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by including how these core dynamics are expressed relative to the evolutionary states. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
12th House PPP/North Node
Assuming that the individual has successfully resolved the issues described by Pluto/South Node/6th, they can now work on actualizing the issues described by the PPP/North Node/12th
The evolutionary intention symbolized in the 12th House PPP is one where the individual simplifies their life and eliminates old mental, emotional and psychological patterns that are getting in the way of a clear understanding of who they are in relation to the whole. If the soul makes a genuine effort to embrace and consciously live their life according to those principles that reflect a holistic reality, the self-defeating thought patterns, actions and associated emotional reactions can be dissolved and a simpler, quiet center can reveal itself. Avoidance of feelings of inner emptiness through senseless, excess activity will cease. They will experience an expansion of consciousness and a growing understanding of their true nature through the development of intuition and its guidance. They will gain an understanding of why they had been creating a reality of self-undermining behaviour and crisis, and why they had attracted unhealthy, co-dependant and/or sadomasochistic relationships.
In a growing holistic understanding and view of life, they will more easily be able to see and understand the component parts of that life. Inductive reasoning will replace deductive thinking and they will understand their natural place and role in life as it relates to work function. There will be a focus on developing solutions instead of compulsively focusing on problems. Optimism and a sense of purpose will take the place of a sense of meaninglessness, and self-improvement will happen with even-minded discrimination.
Ultimately they will realize that only a relationship with the Source will fill the inner void. Past patterns of turning to God only in times of crisis will be replaced by regular, sincere practice of a Divine relationship. This commitment of relating to the Source in a regular, sustained way will help establish a quiet internal center where there is clarity of vision. From a quiet, internal center there will be a clear sense of purpose in life and self-undermining, repetitive thoughts about who they are, what life is, and what things mean will cease. A more natural movement from moment to moment will replace excessive analysis that goes nowhere. Escapism through drugs and alcohol can be eliminated. Proper priorities can be identified through the exercise of discrimination and intuitive guidance from that increasingly quiet internal Center. Depending on evolutionary condition, this Divine relationship can take any form that feels right to the Soul, but it will reflect a natural, holistic reality reflecting principles of Universal Truth.
In addition to seeing and understanding themselves more clearly, they will be able to see others more clearly. All the old attitudes, mental and emotional relationship patterns will be dissolved and/or purged. They will be able to see why they had created the unhealthy dynamics they had, and with courage, faith and ever-growing Trust in themselves, be able to bring balance and discrimination to all interactions with others. Compassion and forgiveness will replace compulsive criticism of themselves and others as they realize nobody is perfect. They will know when to give to others and when not to. Rather than denying themselves through compulsive busyness and catering to everyone else's needs, they will take the time to do for themselves that which they know is good for them. Developing a daily routine of spiritual practice, whatever that is for them, will help keep them centered and focused on realistic and healthy self-improvement for themselves and others.
In order to pay attention to the inner voice of Wisdom, time alone on a cyclic basis will be necessary. These rythms will not necessarily be predictable or regular, and attention must be paid to inner promptings. Feelings of being overwhelmed by a million things to do, mental exhaustion and the like can be a sign that it's time for a time-out where they can reconnect to their Divine center.
Consensus
Following their inner sense of a need to align with more holistic and universal principles will take place within mainstream society. Their relationship with the Source will also be in line with consensus religion and beliefs. As a positive expression of the evolutionary intention, they could gain a sense of meaning in their life by working for causes that benefit others or by providing a needed service. An example of this might be a lawyer doing pro-bono work for abused women and children in shelters. Such a valuable service would be of real help to people who might not otherwise be able to pay for proper legal representation on their own. The work itself would be its own reward as well as helping the individual to advance within the social strata of their society. If the person chooses not to cooperate with the evolutionary intention and instead recycle all the old patterns of behavior, they will continue to experience crisis after crisis in a mental fog of their own creation, wondering why life is so meaningless. Ongoing mental vigilance and discrimination will be necessary so the individual does not fall into the those same negative patterns of behavior that has kept them in a repeat/recycle condition for lifetimes.
Individuated
In the individuated state, aligning with Timeless, Universal guiding principles will be integrated in a life where the soul continues to de-condition and liberate from mainstream society, its beliefs, lifestyles and ways of being. Alternative ways of living, right work and the practice of a holistic spirituality representing timeless principles will resonate with their own unique vision and internal voice. Commitment to socially conscious causes and/or service work can take any form as long as it aligns with their impulse to decondition and be true to themselves. As an example, helping and teaching others to identify their inner, unique gifts and accept themselves can positively affect many or a few. As an example, a gender-fluid individual writing an online blog dealing with LGBTQ issues could reach many young people who feel disenfranchised from consensus society. Committing to right work can help eliminate feelings of persecution the soul may have suffered in the past. As a related issue, persistent and unresolved feelings of guilt for not being true to their impulse to liberate can finally be purged. Self-recrimination can be transformed into self-forgiveness and self-acceptance. The type of appropriate work could be any field of alternative art, music, healthcare, reiki, animal welfare, Doctors Without Borders, etc. In other words, work that is aligned with a higher cause or where some kind of service is being provided on behalf of the Divine. As described above, the regular practice of a committed, sustained relationship to Source will help with an inner clarity relative to integrating their unique individuality and helping others do the same.
Spiritual
In the Spiritual State, the full co-operation of Timeless, Universal Principles will continue to be a central theme in the evolutionary lifepath. Work in complete alignment and service of God/Goddess, in whatever form it takes, will be consicously undertaken in an ever-deepening Divine relationship where the ego is in complete alignment with Spirit. An understanding and purging of mental and emotional barriers through a simplifiction of their life has led to a clear understanding of who they are in relationship to the Divine and life itself. As an example of consciously cooperating with the evolutionary intentions, specific techniques and methods of Divine Union that are time-tested and have been passed down over millennia from women and men of wisdom will be exercised and when appropriate, passed down to others in genuine need or desire . This kind of Service will be undertaken through direct guidance of God/Goddess. An example of this type of Service can take place through the opening of Spiritual Centers or Communities where souls who are on their own search for inner meaning can find teachings of Universal Truth that has been passed down over the ages. This could be from the ancient Rishis of India or the Shamans of indigenous communities. The emphasis will be on direct experience of the Divine as opposed to patriarchal dogma where God is a man and lives in the sky. Balance in relationships of all kinds will be exercised and care will be taken to encourage others to find their own, inner God/Goddess. The individual will be careful to not allow others to become dependent on them and will strive to maintain balance and mutual respect in their relationships. DDD
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house. You're examples of how the current life's evolutionary intentions are expressed relative to evolutionary state clearly illustrate how evolution will take place in the context of this natal signature (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house). The analogy that JWG often uses to illustrate the evolution from the 6th to the 12th house is the centipede. The centipede can walk just fine until it stops to analyze how leg 46 works. In other words, paralysis takes hold when we over analyze all of our imperfections, and focus on the part instead of whole. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva! DDD
Hi Everyone,
I'm going to try to do these assignments differently from now on... I don't want to write on this MB anymore if it isn't coming from heart uplifted and inspired energy.... I have been utilizing these practice threads to mercilessly analyze myself and my own impurities Proccess and struggles at every turn and while I feel it has been a neccassary part of my process the Universe made sure it slammed me right into a reality that I did not truly see or understand clearly until now....
I'm starting to understand that no matter how much compassion you think you have for others that compassion will never be extended to others unless you can extend compassion to yourself first.. I'm clearly seeing now that my lack of compassion and mercy on my myself and for my own process is then through extension in a way what I'm extending to others.... I can not describe the pain that I feel in my heart over this reality and for not seeing myself clearly all over again...
Heather
I will be writing my analysis very soon everybody!!! Thanks for the patience with me, I got caught up in other things this past month. Thanks for everybody's contribution!! I'm learning so much!!!
NN in the 12th:
The NN represents the archetypal functions the soul is to develop once the situations symbolizes by the NP conjunction to the SN are resolved and a ways to resolve them are also found within the PPP.
The 12th house represents a necessity for this soul to align with timeless and universal laws, to embrace the totality of reality and such the realization that it is impossible to know or hold this totality at all times by one consciousness alone. This realization can bring forgiveness and compassion towards self and others around shortcomings and produce the healing this soul can find in the 12th house. Going from a purely critical and deductive focus the soul can ease into the Piscean allowance of things being as they are at any moment. The soul needs to cultivate a spiritual relationship to self (Aries is the sign in this house) that will bring an inner centeredness to the soul and help eliminate excessive avoidance through business or over focusing on other people's needs and wants (SN/6th/Libra). By cultivating and building a relationship to self based on a relationship to source, the soul purges out the co-dependencies. By aligning to the totality of consciousness and accepting that that source is the only constant in the universe, the soul purges out the necessity to fixate on others, to control others in order to feel secure (planetary ruler of the SN is in the 8th) and to continuously keep itself busy in order to fill out the inner void.
The soul can bring in the love for techniques and timely order towards the NN and build a sort of ritual or ceremonial relationship to source. This will bring a lot of inner centeredness and inner clarity to the soul.
This soul needs to learn to connect to source in a very instinctual, independent and almost primordial way (NN/12/Aries) without the influences of others that can taint this inner relationship.
By touching upon the eternal self through touching upon source, this soul can turn the past patterns into self-compassion and healing and feel the call to align to a higher cause where the job that it performs now takes on a meaningful tone regardless of what it entails, as long as it is aligned to helping and healing others. The mundane ceases to be mundane when the divine can be seen everywhere.
Consensus:
In this stage the soul will align with universal and timeless laws within the mainstream religions or spiritual beliefs of the culture it was born into. Positively expressed, the soul will use this to help others align with the same beliefs in order for them to find meaning and healing. The soil could be a religious leader or a mainstream psychologist helping others with addictions. Addictions and escapism being a big part of the 12th house, this soul could end up helping other connect to source and themselves in order to heal from these two very interrelated issues.
Individuated:
In this stage the soul will be aligning with alternative or fringe areas of the society in terms of how it builds its relationship to source and self. The soul will be drawn to like minded people that it can feel it can connect with. It is very important that the soul doesn't internalize and project the criticism it may feel from the consensus for being different, and instead uses this to continue to individuate and figure out its own unique form of spirituality and connection to source and self. Standing as an island of one with source as its main companion is a signature represented by this NN for all stages of evolution.
Positively expressed, the soul will align with other like minded people and help those on the path of individuation to reclaim their own connection to source, their own independence and relationship to self.
Spiritual:
Here the soul will align directly with god/goddess and build a relationship to self based on what it intuitively and instinctively feels god/goddess is directing the soul towards. The soul will start feeling more and more in touch with god/goddess as a moment to moment basis without the need to have it all logically and deductively figured out .
Any job will be aligned to a higher purpose or cause, the soul will be purging out the last residual patterns around inner/outer criticism, co-dependencies in relationships, inner avoidance through business, crises seeking behaviors in order to know itself and others and little by little the alignment with natural universal law around all of this will take precedent.
Namaste
to Heather,
I appreciate your response and admire your voice. I too, believe that the first step to doing this work is asking oneself - 'what do I truly VALUE about myself?' (truly), and where does my personal power lie?
thank you for bringing this to light - you are a wondrous being.
Hi Barbara,
Great job! What you have so far written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house. My suggestion is to expand upon what you have written by including how the Soul will consciously actualize the current life's evolutionary intentions relative to the North Node in the 12th house. What evolving egocentric structure (North Node) will the Soul construct in order to integrate the core evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in the 12th house, and this transmute the need to re-live the conditions of the past (Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house)?
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Marty thank you for kind words....
Heather
The evolving ego correlates to an alignment of such ego with timeless, spiritual or religious (depending on the evolutionary stage) practices that are going to help this consciousness develop self-compassion, self-forgiveness, an intimate relationship to the most instinctual and independent part of the self. The evolving ego shows a need for eliminating the excessive inner criticism, self-doubt, crisis seeking behavior, inner emptiness, co-dependencies with others through the alignment described above.
By connecting to a spiritual and/or religious practice that is all encompassing and bigger than the self, that pursues the totality of the truth, and the acceptance that no one single consciousness can hold all of it, the consciousness relaxes into these balmy Piscean love and acceptance.
The highly psychological focus towards the discovering the truth of relationship dynamics of Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th can become a vehicle towards healing when the soul aligns with the NN. There's a lot of compassion for self and others for their dysfunctional patterns and he why of them that can be found within that 12th house.
The sense of entrapment can be eased by the widening perspective of that neptunian archetype of the 12th house: I'm always free within myself and source, this is just one aspect of who I am and not the totality of who I am (Aries/12th). I'm guided just by source through my-self.
The crises can be embraced from the perspective of what's the bigger picture or the lesson that they are bringing as opposed to the victimized vision of "why is this happening to me"?
The focus goes from spending too much time wallowing on the details on the ground to soaring above and getting the higher perspective (from the 6th to the 12th).
By trusting the pre-linguistic instincts when it comes to taking next steps or embarking into projects, and going with them trusting that the universe/god/goddess will provide for the right unfoldment of whatever the soul has followed upon, demonstrates where and how the ego is trying to evolve from a paralyzing/deductive/linear, logical 6th house to the inductive/intuitive/circular/ 12th house where I don't have to figure everything out because I'm not alone, it's not all up to me, I'm part of a bigger tapestry or universal plan.
In this way the soul stops re-living the past life conditions ../ I believe..
Namaste
Hi Barbara,
Excellent EA! Yes, by embracing the whole rather than the part, or the big rather than little picture, faith is developed, and the need to recreate, or sustain, perpetual crisis is eliminated. The evolving self-image is based upon forgiveness and compassion as the feelings of lack and inner guilt is purged from the Soul.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
The 12th House/Pisces Archetype
After quite a long time in the past weeks and many readjustments to approach the 12th house archetype as polarity point in a way that could make sense to my EA learning until now, synchronistically, it worths mention the current transit/eclipse of the sn of the moon in Aquarius conjunct Neptune's own south and north nodes (and both being squared by jupiter in scorpio for some time now), with occurrences/illusions/necessary freedom coming to light and more or less shocking confrontations with what is true or not in our lives, probably for many lifetimes. That certainly has contributed in the last few days to understanding the archetype, directly applied to life and world events. EA's accuracy in our lives is simply the breathtaking"¦ A very important time to naturally integrate teachings and form a more coherent notion of meaning.
With Pisces, it seems the more we intent to focus on it the more we lose picture/meaning for the whole. Jung mentions that no archetype can be reduced to a simple formula, and archetypes function like vessels that we can never fully empty or fill, changing shape continuously. Isn't the concept of archetype in itself Pisces?
With Pisces each soul experiences the Source in its own way, in the shape it can hold at any moment in time and with the natural limitations of human form, free will to separate or return. To arrive at an experience of Totality, one has to be in a condition to fully merge with Source, when there are no more desires of separation and the soul acknowledges itself as the wave now returning to the ocean. A continuous, slow process of dissolution to any illusions, delusions, projections or expectations taking part on every soul's spiritual and evolutionary journey. That is, until this moment has arrived, each soul will always create some degree of idealized projections upon people, situations, or things, that will eventually at some point, in some life, come to a moment of confrontation with the reality of those dynamics. This is a natural expression of the archetype, disillusionment, and the fact that humans always wish to escape and transcend human condition in search for Divinity.
This projections will represent a culmination of many expectations that weren't met, many failures and losses in respect to the ideal the soul has projected upon it, but also many blessings, fulfilment, wisdom and grace when each of this situations are really accepted for what they are - nothing but fantasies that unconsciously intent to make itself, others or situations into what they are not, the so called rose coloured glasses. Paradoxically, if that path is taken with faith and trust, situations can appear almost magical or miraculous when life starts to change and things fall in the right place and time in the person's life.
I came to the realisation that the most difficult part of this process is to accept that this took a very long time and avoid the tendency to make it right by trying to go back and redo it all over again with a new pair of coloured glasses. This will always happen if the soul decides to focus on the mistakes of the past.The real lesson of the 12th house is one of letting go, trust, faith and self-forgiveness that will eventually widen the scope to see any of this situations as inclusive and necessary. Cooperating and making room for natural transcendence - to clearly come to know of itself as part of that bigger whole. A useful, irreplaceable part. A truly happy grain of sand.
Pluto Polarity Point conjunct NN in the 12th House
The evolutionary intentions for those with PPP/NN in the 12th house would be to dissolve and surrender to the flow of life by accepting the things it was not able to control, understand from a logical point of view, classify or perfect. It will speak about how the soul can come to terms with the past.
With Pluto/SN Libra 6th and ruler venus/Sagittarius 8th, the PPP/NN reflect deep need for ending/dissolution of relationship patterns towards itself, others and Source that will likely manifest in the work function and all dynamics involved (guilt, masochistic/sadistic patterns, healing, discriminating, what God is or is not) - a correlation i am also making taken in consideration the natural yod from the 2nd, 7th and 12th houses, as taught by JWG, given the chart emphasis in the archetypes the yod refers to in its main karmic/evolutionary signature. This would imply surrender, a new developed consciousness of being interconnected and true sense of wholeness.
Relative to virgo's need for analysis and compartmentalisation, to focus on the particular in order to understand the whole out of the sum of the parts, Pisces polarity just wishes to surrender, let go and dissolve any barrier or compartment that prevents the Universal to flow easily - to find ultimate meaning by contemplating the big picture so that the parts, including its part, naturally fall into place, without necessarily have to acknowledge right away how to do it, where to go and why that is happening.
When too much virgo energy is present the natural balance of the polarity point of pisces is to inspire a necessary step back. A getting out of one's way, so to speak. This distance is sometimes the only decision the soul can take and functions as the healthy use of necessary boundaries/discrimination in the relationship the soul has to itself and others. By identifying when to step back in situations/crisis/judgments/sacrifices preventing evolution, there is a simultaneous development of a stronger inner sense of self and faith in the unknown. There is a Universal power that actually speaks. Instead of blind faith in others or situations, the soul is able to contemplate the situation as a whole, and distance itself from unnecessary crisis. Sometimes this happens only when the crisis itself is so magnified that there is nothing to do except to surrender and cooperate with Spirit. "There must be a way out" is the message of the 12th house. Cooperating with the message is an act of free will and of faith.
In the context of too much resistance instead of cooperation, the pluto polarity point in the 12th house/conjunct the north node, would imply a constant awareness of emergent dissolution for anything that represents the reality of the 6th house. This awareness would function first as fear from the unknown but also as a promise of a distant future until the matters of the 6th house are dealt with and resolved. A structured, healthy reality for this sense of dissolution to be replaced with a conscious integration of the Divine presence in life, and at the same time, courage to accept the void that represent the in-between part of this process.
I would like to confirm if this is correct Deva, but it seems to me that the soul with Pluto in the 6th house conjunct the south node in the re-living condition, would have experience of the 12th house, but would possibly have experience of the distorted manifestation of the archetype, remembering going there every time there was a need to escape and transcend life's difficulties and problems, or to ask for Divine help when nothing else could be done. Since the archetype of Libra also correlates to extremes, every time the 12th house polarity was experienced from the 6th house perspective, could have involved going to extremes concerning dissolution/loss of consciousness, sanity, all kinds of boundaries and maybe even loss life from causes underlying guilt and/or victimisation patterns, arising out of a sense of defeat, hopelessness and lack.
So now, any learning concerning the 6th house would also integrate the ability to experience the positive undistorted ways to integrate the archetype of the 12th house. To know when the way is right, versus going for excuses, escapes or any kind of compensation (ruler of the SN venus in sagittarius 8th house). The positive way is the development of habits and routines as meditation, prayer or other practice that consciously integrates the awareness of how the soul communicates/relates/listens to the Source, however It is experienced by any soul.
This seems very crucial when it comes to pisces/neptune/12th house archetype, specially relative to Libra. For Neptune archetype to function in an undistorted way, a strong sense of reality regarding the planets/houses/signs it touches needs to be developed. A clear sense of self, personal boundaries, limitations, inner talents, imperfections, and acceptance of all the aspects of one's current life situation and conditions, what is right what is not, possible or not, relative those dynamics.
To listen, in a sense of psychological integration of what is being heard, is the Libra aspect that can most contribute to a dissolution of the old patterns, healing of relationships and strengthen the self, to acknowledge where the soul stands. To accept reality is a consequence of being available to listen to other's from their point of view and from there correctly evaluate and know when to act, balancing the needs of all involved and trying to make sense of life without excuses, victimisation or justifications. This could be done by letting others speak first. Which will also be a crucial step to let the Universe speak, acceptance and dissolution of rigid mental patterns.
In fact, it seems that if this ability is developed and practised, the necessary step back mentioned above becomes a natural attitude towards situations. A natural consequence is that reaction is replaced with no necessary action, or right action (balance PPP/NN Aries). Much of the victimisation patterns arise with compulsive reaction to what others said, done or might say or do. With development of PPP/NN 12th house, a natural "porous layer" starts to build around self in order to let in what is valuable for self and separate from what is detrimental. Pisces has the tendency to absorb without discrimination and Virgo can naturally balance and integrate this function with the mental capacity to evaluate. In this way, becoming interconnected with the Universe arises out of a sense of self that is Whole with Spirit but able to remain a distinct individual, helping by way of its qualities, in this case, by its worldly function or right work, instead of simply dissolved in meaningless jobs or inadequate social functions.
Right work is achieved by letting this alliance with Spirit manifest in a unique, creative, fulfilling way of working. To be able to tap into creativity, inspiration and imagination is God's greatest gift to share , in service of higher law and a vessel for Divine manifestation on earth.
PPP conjunct NN 12th House in the Evolutionary States
Transversal to all evolutionary states, the soul will either be very sensitive to others feelings, suffering and needs, or deny any sensitivity, with need for emotional harmony in both cases. This sensitivity or lack of it, can take the form of compassion and genuine desire to help, or be in the basis for individual confrontations, wars in the name of religion or group differences.
In the consensus the evolutionary lessons would involve the dissolution of rigid patterns concerning religious dogmas and over identification with job and social status as the meaning for life. Even in the context of religion, the PPP point serves as a way to dissolve any in-prints that specific religion has created on the soul with false beliefs conveyed by man made laws. The soul will have to dissolve crystallised ideas, eliminating and forgiving unnatural inner and outer judgments accumulated through many lives. As an example, issues like divorce, contraception or women equality can become life dynamics to be integrated as not wrong, or not sins and issues where the soul needs to let go and integrate in the context of life and community. Finishing long term relationship were patterns of masochism/sadism are recurring.
Over identification with job function could also prove to be a vehicle of disillusionment at some point, if all life meaning is given to that function and the soul sacrifices all else and keeps busy all the time with the only desire to climb the social ladder or no desire for meaningful work whatsoever. The soul could avoid acting on the call for for personal investment in areas that are natural inclinations for the soul and substitute them for areas that are seen as more profitable. As an example, the soul could desire much to study music but delay the actualisation of this desire, either because feels this as unpractical, does not have time or thinks it lacks talent. The role of the PPP point here will be to dissolve the meaning all other non-natural functions in the individual's life have been given and how others can deny this function, until it is adjusted to an alignment with what society benefits from the individual's talents and service.
In the Individuated state the soul will deny the existence of invented religious gods as they are presented, the soul will have to individuate itself from any external concept of Divinity created by the consensus. However, the need to transcend and escape, or distance memories of it, are very strong. This could take the form of getting lost in substance abuse and additions, cults, fantasies/abandonment of work or relationships, as many other illusions. The PPP/NN come as a way to actualise positively this need for transcendence with alternative practises, be it yoga, mediation, astrology, many methods of divination and healing, shamanism, etc., elimination of all delusions and establishment of healthy relationships. With practice, the soul can listen to others and the Source as to what is real and what is not, dissolve psychological barriers and crisis that prevent this actualisation and say goodbye to many old things in the embrace of a new future later in life.
In the Spiritual state, PPP/NN 12th house can manifest as a way to clear any impurity that could remain from previous states, relative to relationship with the Source, still emanating to religious beiliefs, service and sacrifice, or karmic relationships.
This can also show how much resistance has been put in actualising God's purpose, for feelings of inferiority, inadequacy, fear, crisis for never feeling ready or capable enough, or unnecessary dependence on others, like Teachers.
The soul can be naturally humble and put itself in situations where others can abuse or take advantage of them, situations and relationships that can last for a very long time and come now to culmination.
The main purpose in the soul's life is to be a manifestation of the Source on the earth plane, giving universal love and serving all according to their needs. Illusions in this state will point to the need to purify some beliefs regarding how to live spirituality, developing natural, undistorted methods and practices, as well as to be able to recognise the soul's true teachers and guides.
Hi Helena,
Excellent EA! Yes, the Pisces/12th house/Neptune archetype does correlate to totality. In essence, if the Soul is not ready to truly heal from the re-creation of crisis, excuse making, and overall sense of victimization, then the 12th house polarity will manifest as illusions, delusions, and the experience of disillusionment. The need to escape is a distortion of the 12th house/Pisces/Neptune archetype. Yes, dissolution of past patterns of self-undermining behavior, perpetual excuse making, and psychological extremes must occur before the 12th house can be actualized in a positive way. From my understanding, the natal Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node does correlate with cultivating a relationship with Source only during extreme crisis. The resulting need is to develop this relationship on a consistent basis. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Helena,
I found your analysis very helpful!! I totally relate! I have the SN in Pisces and it's my resolution node at the same time (moon squares the nodes)...
Hi Deva, Barbara, Heather and Everyone,
Deva, thank you very much for your answer. It was bit like a a revelation moment relative to how polarities are always in reflection and, specially, i think it is an answer to a question i have always had about re-living conditions and planets aspecting the south node and identify what, in fact, are the new actions to take in order to resolve. And that this new actions are not confined to the south node alone, in a sense that they should be taken in the context dynamics of the south node house, sign and aspects, but always imply both archetypes, SN and NN. I understood that the new resolutions can actually be more about how to stop dynamics of the north node polarity to keep reflecting through the south node in a distorted way. Would this be correct?
In the example we are studying, dynamics like escapism through work, represent a confusion or refuse in the soul on how to manifest the 12th house polarity within the context of the 6th. So the new actions, in order to go forward, always involve the identification of the NN or PPP dynamics that are preventing the south node or pluto lessons to be completed and filtered in a healthy way, and not limit the focus on the 6th house for the time the soul is stuck in re-living situations. Without that our analysis will always be lacking the whole story and evolutionary path of this soul. That's why it is so accurate to arrive at this conclusion in the context of virgo/pisces :)
In sum, i understand this is very basic EA, but some how made a significant twist.
Barbara, also thank you very much for your kind words, i also share much of this polarity (sun/mercury in pisces in the 6th house, besides moon square the nodes too in sextile sun/mercury, so it is a long life quest to get some understanding ;))
Also, Heather, i have read your latest post and have been meaning to say something, as i was also touched by it, but i couldn't possibly arrive to what to say because only you would know about it. My only saying is that your participation here in the MB is unique, and i really learn from your point of view, i'm sure i will continue to appreciate it no matter what shape you decide take it.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Everyone,
Helena,
Thank you for kind words... I deeply appreciate this practice thread and all who contribute in their own and unique way...
I realize I have kind of left things hanging or open in a way and I have yet to post on Pisces... I have gone through so many internal changes this month that every time I think I have something to say in the next moment it has been torn down again...
Something happened to me this month that became a huge paradox that I still have yet to fully understand...
What I do know is that I don't want to write anymore unless it's completely coming from some deep authentic place with in me... It can only come through my own words my own understanding and my own way of interpreting... Yet at this moment in time I don't know anything I have nothing of my own only truths that I feel an alignment with but yet are not coming from with in me...
I want to write something about Pisces from my own heart when it comes to me and my feeling is that this may be my last post for awhile... I am not saying definetly as every day things change but my feeling is that where I'm at is just not with in the scope of what this MB is for...
EA is my blood the teaching EA is built on is my Spirit these teachings Given to us through Wolf have literally changed my life they have saved me ..I took these teachings into me and developed a living relationship with them I did the work for the sake of the work for about 10 years now even though It's clear to me that I may never really be an Evolutionary Astrologer, I trusted in these teachings with all that I am... They have delivered me to the threshold of my own Truth....
This is where the Magic can happen, when you can trust in something and yourself beyond all doubt all knowing this is Pisces....
Heather
Hi Helena,
This is correct. In addition, the distorted expression of the archetypes of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node could serve to enforce the necessary evolutionary lessons. For example, in our practice chart both Pluto's polarity point and the North Node are in the 12th house. The experience of disillusionment, escapism, and actualization of illusions/delusions are potential experiences that could manifest in order to induce the current life's evolutionary intentions.
Heather,
I appreciate your participation on this thread and the insights you have shared with us. Your contribution is valuable no matter what shape is may now take.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Heather, sending you Love, Prayers and Thanks. DDD
Hi Everyone,
Deva, DDD
Thank you for encouragement and kind words...
I need some time to get myself into a more stable place... Please don't hold the practice thread up... Even if I am not able to write at this moment I can at least follow along... I look forward to all contributions to this MB....
Thank you for continuing to teach us all here...
Heather
Thank you, Deva. This that you pointed is the detail closing the circle in my questions. Very meaningful, thanks again.
Heather, my best wishes for you.
Helena
Hi Deva and Everyone
I apologize that i am still struggling on writing this one, please move forward to the next step, i still want to continue working on this thread, this opportunity means a lot to me, but please don't wait for me... my energy has been pretty scattered, i definitely need to be more concentrate and meditate on these archetypes, and write from there.
Hi Heather, i resonate with your words deeply, thank you for sharing, and sending much love to you.
Wei
Wei, thank you for kind words...
Heather
The next step is to add the sign to Pluto's polarity point. Remember that the sign conditions the house. In our example chart, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node are in Aries in the 12th house. How does the sign of Aries condition the expression of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house? The need to align with natural, universal principles, embrace the whole rather than the part, and define meaning from within rather than externally is linked with self-discovery, development of the independent voice, and initiation of action. In essence, evolution from temporal values taught within the society of birth to natural, timeless values, and actualization of right work become vehicles through which self-discovery, and development of the independent voice takes place. Evolution occurs as the individual independently acts upon these principles, and creates solutions rather than recycling perpetual crisis. Imbalances, extremities, and co-dependencies within relationships are purged as the Soul acts upon natural, universal values (Pluto in Libra/6th house conjunct the South Node. Pluto's polarity point in Aries/12th house).
The Mars/Aries/1st house symbolizes that a brand new evolutionary cycle has just begun. It correlates with the universal experience of a continuous state of becoming. As such, the Soul will need freedom and independence in order to discover what this new cycle is about. Pluto's polarity point in Aries in the 12th house symbolizes that the new evolutionary cycle is relative to alignment with timeless, natural values, defining meaning from within rather than externally, and embracing the whole rather than the part. In this way, healing from inner feelings of lack, guilt, and the compulsive need to create crisis can take place. The Soul will need freedom and independence in order to initiate the necessary experiences through which alignment with universal, timeless principles can occur. For example, the individual may decide to commit to a higher cause or purpose (Pluto's polarity point in the 12th house). This becomes a means for development of the independent voice and self discovery to manifest. In other words, the sense of identity is linked with the evolution from temporal values to timeless, universal values, and the actualization of right work.
The North Node in Aries in the 12th house reflects that the evolving egocentric structure of the Soul, the ego that the Soul will construct in order to evolve itself, is founded upon the same archetypical dynamics described above. It re-emphasizes the evolutionary intentions symbolized by Pluto's polarity point. The current evolutionary intentions will be consciously actualized through development of the independent voice, and self-discovery in the context of evolution from temporal to timeless, natural principles, defining meaning from within rather than externally, and commitment to a higher cause. Within this, the Soul must learn to discern whom to initiate a relationship with and whom not. The lesson is to initiate relationships that are based upon mutual independence, co-equality, and alignment with timeless, natural values (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house).In this way, a brand new evolutionary cycle is put into motion.
Consensus State: In the Consensus State this will manifest as development of the independent voice, self-discovery, and initiation of action through actualization of meaningful work within the mainstream society. Right work that reflects evolution from temporal values to universal, natural values becomes a means to develop the independent voice within the mainstream society (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house). For example, commitment to a humanitarian or "global" cause may provide a platform for self-discovery and development of the independent voice to take place. This becomes a vehicle through which the Soul consciously actualizes the current life's evolutionary intentions (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house).
In this evolutionary state, the Soul will desire to advance within the social strata through initiation of meaningful work within the mainstream. In a positive expression, the Soul will develop an independent voice through its right work that advocates social equality, justice, and service to the underprivileged, to help others improve their overall life conditions (Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house A new evolutionary cycle is put into motion ans the Soul aligns with timeless, natural values and commitments to higher cause within the mainstream.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, this will manifest as development of the independent voice, self-discovery, and initiation of action via actualization of meaningful work within an alternative field. A new cycle of evolutionary becoming is linked with the evolution from temporal values taught within the mainstream society of birth to natural values, and liberation from external societal factors. In this way, meaning will progressively be defined from within the Soul itself.
In this evolutionary state, self -discovery will take place through initiation of actions that allow alignment with right work within an alternative field. Meaningful work that reflects universal, timeless principles within an alternative field will become a means to consciously actualize the current life's evolutionary intentions (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house). In so doing, the Soul will heal from past experiences of persecution and rejection from those in the mainstream, and evolve of of these conditions instead of re-creating these same dynamics (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in the 12th house).
Spiritual State: In the spiritual state, this will manifest as development of the independent voice, self-discovery, and initiation of action via actualization of right work through union with the Source. A new evolutionary cycle of becoming is linked with independent spiritual development, to act upon the desire to merge with the Source in such a way that direct experience of universal, natural laws unfolds. For example, the Soul could actualize "right" work that reflects knowledge of natural, timeless principles. This then becomes a vehicle through which development of the independent voice and self-discovery takes place.
In this evolutionary state, the Soul will desire to serve others as a reflection of service to the Source. The actualization of right work that is based upon healing through alignment with natural forms of spiritualization, such as Kriya Yoga, meditation, and fusion with Nature and the natural laws therein, are possible expressions of service to the Source. In so doing, a brand new evolutionary cycle is put into motion. This becomes a vehicle through which the Soul consciously actualizes the current life's evolutionary intentions (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house).
Please write out in your own words an analysis of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone
PPP in the 12th in Pisces:
The PPP points to the core evolutionary lessons for the soul to integrate in a particular lifetime. The way in which Aries conditions the 12th house is by infroming the soul of the need to take independent action in order to align with timeless and universal laws. The soul needs to respond to that inner fire in order to discover those universal laws and it needs total freedom to initiate these actions. The soul needs to go back a more to a self-focus orientation that is aligned to these 12th house themes in order to empower itself. As the soul begins to take action following its own volition in order to align with the totality of reality, as opposed to just certain parts, the soul receives support and movement. The soul becomes more interdependent with others and empowered to continue on that road. This new sense of power being based on a developed trust in the universe/religion/spirituality (depending on the evolutionary stage), and on a sort of higher order being behind everything.
In this way the soul can stop recycling the crises of the past and use the knowledge of diplomacy, negotiation, ability to hear others and work efficiently with them to bring something practical into the world (NP/6th/Libra conjunct the SN). This work function can now be oriented to a higher cause where the soul is constantly following its own prompts to take action towards the goal. The alignment to taking action based on this higher order of things and the faith that it brings (12th house) will help eliminate the need to control all of the different parts of any project/life that can lead to Virgo paralysis/crises.
The soul needs freedom to take these actions that will inform what its own truth is about everything, up to now it has been overly focused on others and what others needed and thought.
Aries tends to have a win/loose perspective that can get oriented towards faith in the universal order of things whereby we always win when we do the right thing even though it may not be immediately seen. The "right thing" will be discovered by aligning this Aries fire towards positive 12th house themes. If the soul aligns to delusional self-serving laws or truths, Aries in the 12th expressed negatively, then the soul sort of moves to the PPP/NN. A negative expression will continue to lead to crises with others and self which will eventually throws the soul back into the NP/SN of having to analyze its own behavior and readjust it.
Consensus Stage:
In this stage the soul will align with universal/timeless laws/truths within the accepted mainstream beliefs. They can be of religious nature, they will also have a deep psychological orientation due to the planetary ruler of NP being in the 8th/ Sagittarius. The soul will take action in order to actualize right work that helps serve many others within the mainstream culture it was born into. Expressed in a positive ways the soul takes a leading role (Aries) when it comes to serving others through a career that is aimed at improving their life conditions, the way they communicate with others (Libra), the development of their own voices (Aries) within relationships. Again this makes me think of a couples therapist. The Scorpio brings the depth on psychological aspects, the NP/SN conjunction brings in the work function towards communication/negotiation/ right listening/ balance between giving and receiving, and the Aries/NN/12th piece brings the developing of your own truth/voice/ interdependent ways of relating, and healing.
Oriented towards religious expressions, the soul can align with religious laws and become a pastor or priest and use this to serve others within the community within a leadership position. By embracing its own voice within mainstream fields the soul can become the leader within that field.
Negatively expressed, the soul becomes self-serving and uses delusive/manipulative ideas of the truth in order to gain power within the social strata.
Individuated: Here the soul needs to take action and develop its own voice based on its own truth within alternative and fringes sectors of the society it belongs to. It won't feel that it belongs to the mainstream and will be attracted to finding its own personal truth (Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th) around what it values and what not, around the nature of deep psychological patterns governing relationships and how to heal them through right work aligned with universal timeless laws coming from alternative fields i.e: astrology, alternative medicine, transpersonal psychology, etc. Expressed positively, the soul will help others find their own voice and honor their freedom as well.
Spiritual: The soul starts aligning the inner fire that propels it into action taking with source. Source becomes what directs the the life of the soul, and the purely ego driven desires start to become purged out lifetime after lifetime. The soul aligns with universal laws and truths of the higher order and right work with the intention to serve others becomes the main focus. Here the Aries win/loose perspective becomes the spiritual warrior whereby "I win" when we "all win". The soul help others align with source through practical work/physical work.
Namaste
Hi Barbara,
Excellent EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. Yes, action upon timeless, natural values and principles is a vehicle through which the Soul develop's it's independent voice. The forming, or evolving, egocentric structure that the Soul will create in order to evolve itself is founded upon these same archetypes (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house).
Namaste,
Deva
Thank you Deva!!! Blessings!!
Pluto Polarity Point/North Node/12th House Aries
Because Pluto's polarity point is in Aries in the 12th House and the North Node is in Aries in the 12th House, there is an emphasis on the archetypes symbolized. A brand new evolutionary cycle is underway, and as such, independent discovery of previously unknown aspects of the self is primary. The 12th House symbolizes the closing of a cycle and evolutionary forces require them to embrace and align with natural, timeless principles and universal laws as they journey back to Source. Aligning with these principles will help restore balance, truth, sincerity, forgiveness and the like to a life that has been revolving around one crisis after another. Inductive reasoning will replace deductive reasoning and embodying a concept of the whole will replace focusing on the parts. Old ideas and perceptions of what is perfect and what is not can be purged, and in embracing the imperfect whole a natural inner healing can take place. Life and God are not perfect, and neither are you.
A new process of self-discovery is underway and there must be absolute freedom so the soul can take any action deemed necessary to that self-discovery. There must be a conscious effort to take any steps necessary to initiate action in cooperating with this evolutionary Intention. Through the development of a new, independent way of relating to oneself, relationships will also naturally change and grow as old patterns, beliefs and ways of relating can be seen and purged. New relationships will reflect principles of equality, respect, mutual independence and the understanding that each partner has their own individual needs. Self-security wll replace co-dependence and the need to be needed. Proper discrimination will be exercised within new and old relationships, including who to be involved with and who not to be involved with, when to give to another and when not to give to another.
Courage to follow intution and/or instinct will lead the soul into new ways of seeing itself, its beliefs and values - new ways that are more naturally aligned with universal values. Such values will not necessarily reflect those of the society they are living in. In actual personal experience of their own Truth they can more easily trust themselves when a new direction just feels right. If they cannot see where the path leads, that newly found trust will get them from one moment to the next.
Right work will be the main vehicle for the soul to actualize independence and discover who they are as an independent individual. Ideally such right work will be altruistic and service-oriented in nature, but whatever kind of work it is, it will be the means by which independence and self-discovery can be achieved.
Consensus
In the consensus state, alignment with universal, timeless values will take place within mainstream society. There will be more or less complete conformity with the beliefs and lifestyles of the consensus. Right work with purpose can be used to advance themselves within society in addition to benefitting others or society in some way. As an example, volunteer work could be undertaken in order to fill a need to be of service to others. If an opportunity to take a new job presents itself, a job with potential to get ahead and also provide a needed service, if it feels right at a gut level they should go for it. Because of the new cycle, there is no foreknowledge and instinct alone in may cases will be all they have to go on. In this way they might discover something new about themselves, so keeping an open mind and a courageous attitude will help. If a person finds that their work environment is becoming boring and meaningless, they should make an effort to move on and find work that has a deeper meaning for them. Through altruistic work they can continue to develop their independent voice and offer new ideas for improved ways of getting things done.
Individuated
In the individuated state, right work and alignment with timeless, universal values will take place outside of mainstream society. Right work in alternative fields will present opportunties for the soul to continue to use their independent voice in ways that benefit others as well as themselves. In continuing to decondition and define their own, independent way within the work environment, they can be of service to others. In some cases self-employment will work better for these people so they can maintain the freedom act in ways they feel will help them self-discover. In addition they may be able to identify talents they have that can fill a need in underserved communities, as an example. An entrepreneurial spirit married to inventive thinking in a work environment that reflects universal values could be of value to others on a large or small scale. When done in the right, natural way, new ideas and ways of doing things can be adopted by others. Acceptance can replace the persecution of the past as they continue to define their reality from within. They may be able to help others on the fringes of society find their own unique, independent voice and acceptance within society.
Spiritual
In the Spiritual state, any work undertaken will be done in alignment with Universal Will. Self-discovery and the continuing development of their independent voice will be actualized and processed through meaningful service work on behalf of Source. Some of these people will continue to heal themselves even as they heal others. In advanced Spiritual states their very presence can heal others. Independent Spiritual development will be helped through regular, direct communion with God in the practice of timeless methods of meditation/prayer. These practices will also keep them on the right track as they continue to be of service to any and all who have a genuine need. Proper discrimination will be exercised so that relationships remain co-equal and others do not become overly dependent on them. As difficult as it may be, they must continue to say no to people when they sense the need is not genuine. Absolute freedom will continue to be necessary so they can go and do what they feel is necessary to Self-discover. Time alone for reflection or other self-care will be necessary to help them maintain balance and equanimity in their lives. These people will radiate a genuine, natural humility - even those whose work continues to help millions of people find their way back to God. The Great Paramhansa Yogananda is an example of this. DDD
Hi DDD,
Excellent EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. Yes, a new evolutionary cycle is put into motion as the Soul acts upon natural, timeless values, and develops an awareness of the whole of life rather than the all the individual parts. These core archetypes become the foundation for self-discovery, and development of the independent voice. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva! :)
PPP/NN in 12th house
With Pluto and SN conjunct in 6th house, souls has been focused on perfecting their practical skills relative to work function, to better serve others, PPP/NN in 12th house, means souls need to align themselves with universal truth, the totality of reality, both manifested and unmanifested, in this way to adjust their relationship to environment, align their role/service/personal will with higher wil, transmute the limitations from only participating in rational/practical part of existence, in this process, their self-image will go through dissolve (lost identity, can't define who they are just with logical mind, sense that there are must be something more), and then rebirth (extended and expanded self-image, identify with their whole organism). The 12th house symbolize cosmic womb, infinite potential, the totality of experiences, ultimately the source itself, souls will cyclically dissolving into darkness, reconnect with source/goddess, with the experiences of being reborn from darkness again and again, they start to develop faith that there are must be something larger, everything in universe are in cycles of creation and dissolution, beginning and ending, life and death are naturally part of these cycles, it's complex but never separate. From that point, they are able to discern how each crisis link to these process, and their condition within each cycle, and adjust/improve from there. Based on the patriarchal reality we are living in, Pluto/SN in 6th house souls can live in a very disconnected way, flesh separate from spirit, logical mind separate from intuition/heart, work activities separate from earth's energy and natural flow, and so on, with PPP/NN in 12th house, souls need to make peace with opposite forces within themselves thus develop acceptance of who they are, both lights and shadows, talents and flaws, simply as part of them and life itself, from this acceptance, they can focus on actions to improve/purify instead of criticize/destructive self-doubt or analysis. Also when we are reconnect with the Source, we are align with our natural cycle again, only honor this natural cycle, we can truly be healthy (6th house Virgo correlates to healthy) physically, mentally and spiritually. When souls embrace the PPP/NN in 12th house, is almost like flowing with the swirl life energy, finally reach the center of stillness, there is great potential to find this inner peace.
One of dynamics within Pluto/SN in 6th house is individuals keep comparing themselves to a perfect standard, this perfect standard comes from Polarity point 12th, a distorted belief that GOD is perfect, and perfection is what's required to be good enough, i feel the other possibility when individuals with Pluto/SN in 6th house feel they are not good enough, never ready, is because they feel the pull of PPP/12th house, the highest potential their soul contains coming to this life to accomplish. Pluto correlates to security, also the deep fear of lost, souls with this signature could have deep fear that the right work/the work they are passionate with would fail/rejected or their effort turns out to be meaningless, they will even lose that potential, which they will always have if they are not pursuing the right work, i feel that can be one of the psychological factors, they find excuses to avoid the right work.
12th house is the archetype of totality, it's culminating the evolution cycle, thus it contains every other archetype that came before. One of great distortion in modern society is that, we deny this complexity as human, as body and soul, thus when any crisis happens, people tend to heal soul's problem by treating physical symptoms, as if we are machine, fix the broken parts it will function perfectly again. PPP/NN in 12th house, identity/self-image will gradually expand, through crisis, self-analysis, embrace the totality of their being, become complete, and then live life, face challenge/change from this new perspective, they will develop sympathy for themselves and others, detox from any projected judgement/guilt/shame based on man made law (such as men are born with sin, and the needs to atone for sin), they will find healing power within, also help others to transform their self-image, bring healing to others sometimes by only presenting this unconditional acceptance, holding space for other's trauma/healing journey.
Consensus State:
Souls in this state with PPP/NN in 12th, can manifest having chaos early life experiences, get into trouble, addictions, and when hit rock bottom, they are "saved" by religion, or when they have kids/witness death of close ones (all Pluto experiences), they went through this unexplainable transformation. In consensus state, the positive expression would be, be service to others in work function, in a selfless way, help with other's real needs/listen objectively, also make judgement based on a more inclusion/loving/caring way, learn to see the good side of everything, the religion or any mainstream transcendent belief systems that inspires souls to live the best version of themselves, the idea that individual is always part of "whole", can heal the emptiness/loneliness/inner void of Pluto/SN 6th house on a certain level.
Individuated State:
I feel in this state, soul has strongest desire to liberate any man-made guilt symbolized by Pluto/SN 6th house, and liberate from mainstream way of mundane life itself, by embracing 12th house PPP/NN, soul may go through completely lost of who they are, what work to do, searching in the darkness with great frustration, powerlessness and disillusionment, this kind of crisis is necessary for them to exhaust any left over desires(hopes) trying to fit in a life doesn't reflect who they are, in this dark period, they are literally dive into deep unconsciousness ocean, bring back natural humanity....that is being borned from mother goddess, always connected with natural cyclic time, not created/made by man-god alone with its sin/guilt. Once souls realize how distorted the mainstream society is, they will rebel against the "normal life", the way they live daily life has to reflect their essential individuality, and they would use work function to help others to do the same, to empower/heal "victims" of society, of abuse, of man-made guilt. They may also be critical about society they live in, participate in defending minority group's rights, social reform, to embrace 12th house PPP/NN, help them to find balance, focus on the action which can help improving, from big picture, i.e what is fair or better for all of people, all kinds of groups, instead of from small egocentric perspective. Souls may also be attracted to new age healing spiritual practice, love resonate more than religious guilt/punishment, practice love/inclusion/forgiveness, will help them gradually dissolve projected judgement, man-made guilt, negative self-image and inner self-criticism, from this self-healing, they can be expert on healing virgo issues :P
Spiritual State:
I find interesting that for a lot of strong Virgo/6th house souls, the most healing idea from EA is that, How can a perfect anything create an imperfect anything? The origin of imperfection is also God itself. By integrating this, their consciousness/self-image truly shift and liberated. That is to know the truth about source itself within our human consciousness restriction, and to realize that we are always connected with source within, our mundane life is scared in every way. For souls with PPP/NN in 12th, they will embody this universal truth, and grounded them, integrate them into daily life even into some society. And the universal love is their powerful medicine for healing humanity/society. By simply presenting humble, love, forgiveness, and mirroring back other's inner beauty, other souls can find connection with universal love/truth through relationship with them, and this healing experience, can transform other's belief relatives to god, sources, perfection, life itself, the universal truth can heal wounds caused by distorted man-made law, the connection heals wounds caused by separation, love/inclusion heals guilt/feeling of lack and so on.
Thank you all for your patience, had hard time to organize my thoughts into words and make sense... going to work on next step soon!
Wei
Hi Everyone,
Pluto Polarity Point in the 12th in Aries North Node in the 12th in Aries:
We as Souls who come into this life with an emphasis on the 6th/12th house axis archetype and Libra/Aries axis archetype are learning to align with timeless natural values and to discover a new identity and independent voice through that alignment, a new cycle is unfolding with a new identity aries based on the closing of an old cycle pisces an old way of interpreting life . Souls in a relive based on these dynamics are learning to purge feelings of victimization to learn true humility through a relive of past dynamics that have been stored as absolutely traumatic and damaging with in the Soul as well as learning to be in co-equal and balanced relationships. Souls who have an emphasis on these dynamics are learning to Interpret, Pisces/12th house past dynamics that are in a relive in a new way so that we can make new choices and take new actions Aries in the face of the same old adversities traumas and dynamics that are in a relive. The dynamics and feelings and situations will be similar or the same in the relive the only difference will be the interpretation of those dynamics that are based on a time based reality of those same dynamics Virgo/6th, nothing will really change those traumas are real we will just be learning to see and feel them in a new light.
We as Souls who have an emphasis on these dynamics in a relive have chosen a life that is on acceleration and has reached a critical mass of sorts and the life ahead will be absolutely challenging, adurous, painful, and devistatingly hard work. It will feel like peeling layer upon layer of ones own 3rd degree burns off and just when you think you have gotten all the way down the Universe is going to prompt you to willingly peel some more and to actually feel gratitude in the process. I know how painful and hard these dynamics are and how hard the turns are that we have to make, sometimes seemingly impossible, yes I have the Pisces skipped step the emphaisis of relive based on that Virgo/Pisces axis and man I can not even begin to express my love and compassion and honor that I extend to others on this Path, It is not for the faint of heart it is not for the weak it is only a Path the warrior can power through, and believe me when I say that most of the time I find it extremely challenging to consistently be the warrior and many of times I feel to fail miserably .
Souls here are learning that the first line of defense is aligning themselves with Timeless Values, as in Values that help the Soul see and understand and know that there is a higher order to all things there is a higher power and we are all equally subjected to these Natural Laws and Timeless Values, cause and effect, karma and that we are all fighting this same fight and on this same Path of Human Evolution/ Soul Evolution. I know for myself that if anyone had tried to tell me in my younger years that I was completely and totally responsible for the dynamics that I was born into, ones where I felt rather victimized by as well as my interpretation was that my very life was on the line one where I was my only protector and the protector of others I probably would have punched them in the face, yup not pretty and I had to learn a lot of hard and painful lessons around my interpretation of my life. We as Souls are learning to take a very strong turn here one where we start to see and understand that through Natural Laws and Timeless Values that we find oursleves in these painful relive situations due to at bare minimum as a neccesity. Once we start to align somewhat with this understanding then we start making the internal transition that says hey why did I create this, what are my lessons, what am trying to accomplish and what is the best way forward.
Since the emphaisis is on heading to the North Node/PPP intentions in the 12th in the sign Aries but are in a relive of the past dynamics 6th house and Libra this means that the intentions of Pisces/Aries possitive manifestation are blocked only becasue we as Souls have been living the not so positive manifesation of those energies we have not learned to balance the 6th/12th archetypes or the Libra/ Aries archetypes. The dynamics being learned is how to manifest that Aries Warrior spirit positively and in direct alignment with positive 12th house Pisces themes, one where we are learning that the best use of this energy is towards the protection of others, to think of the whole in every moment one lives and to be able to do that one has to become Self Aware. The Soul is learning to become self aware, to know the self, to be solid in its own identity, to learn to be like an island in New York City, as well as an awareness as when to fight and when not, when to pick up ones sword or when to lay it down, to be a shape shifter to give to the environment what it needs, to know when to react and when not. In most cases through this awareness we as Souls are learning to become non-reactive that there is many times no action to take, just an awareness of the the actually reality of ourself and others, to have mindfullness.
Aries positively manifests as the protector of life, to stay alive to keep going in the face of adversity, to protect ones life and the lives of others, it negatively manifests when one uses it for ones own emotional self protection. Souls here will be learning to fight with all their might and have courage to turn all arrows and weapons on themsleves to work through their own core wounding dynamics and psychological intentions to become self aware and to leave behind the emphasis of trying to understand and evaluate others, just be solid in the self and love others anyway. So here you can see that in a positive manifestation of 12th house Aries the Soul is learning to use the warrior energy to be a champion for the Underdog, a benevolent leader, peaceful warrior, to fight in the spirit of always wanting to manifest what is right for all the Whole.
In this way we as Souls will be learning to empowering ourselves by helping others by learning to be in co-equal relationships to do whats right for all through helping to empower others who are truly in need, we learn compassion for our own truth and others truth, we learn forgiveness and acceptance of ourselves and others and start to heal the dynamics of the past based on imbalances of inferiority/superiority and learn true humility.
How we actually go about honoring these Soul intentions is something I dont really have an answer for and it seems that just when you think you have powered through some old dynamics and are interpreting them in a new light one where you can see the gold in what you went through and survived the Universe says "well done" now here is some more for you. It seems through a positive manifestation of Pisces/Aries we have to just keep powering on keep powering through and to emphasize a spirit of gratitude while in the proccess. That is a hard Path to follow as Souls here are coming into this life with a serious amount of build up of core soul wounding and the only way to really work through this is to relive the dynamics that are at the heart of this core wounding....
I want to be one of the ones who says one day that they finally broke free and was able to uplift and inspire others... at this point in time Im just Soul whos only measuring stick of progress is the distance I have gained from my past, thats it thats all I have. I say keep fighting choose life and help others do the same.
Will write stages shortly , thank you....
Heather
Hi Wei,
Excellent EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. Yes, the identity will be based upon timeless, natural values, and reflect a natural compassion and humility. In so doing, excessive crisis, inner lack and guilt can be healed. AS you stated, progressive union with Source will create a daily experience of the sacred rather than on the mundane aspects of life. Yogananda often taught the importance to avoid the life of an automation through active spiritual development.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
I will post no later than tomorrow.
Thank you very much,
Helena
Hi Everyone,
Pluto PPP in the 12th in Aries North Node in the 12 in Aries Continued:
Evolutionary States:
Souls with this signature are coming into this life with the intention of deep healing from the past. Souls here will make the turn and work on true healing when they can align the identity and with Timeless Values and discover their own independant voice outside of others. Souls here have to manifest courage to blaze a new trail find a new way through an awareness of self through some higher power some highter order. The Soul is learning to help others by leading the way by becoming that which they want to see change to be the change they wish to see in others and in the world. A life of healing by throwing off the past in a sense or metamorphosing it through taking steps in a new direction in a new way and to emphasise healing through a new interpretation of the old. Souls here will not have an awareness of what the new way will be the new identity the new voice and so they will have to find deep courage to aline with a deep Faith with in themselves to see the interconnectedness of themselves with All with the Whole. This is like the Fool card in the Tarot where the Fool sets off on a new journey alone independent with out any idea what the Fool is doing little provisions on his back with his dog by his side he takes a first step seemingly to go off a cliff but holds true with faith that he is doing what he needs to.. Its Courage to transverse the unknown with Faith and then in leading the way through independent action not based on others that one day you will look back and see that just by taking steps away from others and going it alone following what you feel is right from inside your own heart and soul you will turn and see others right behind you following your way. You help others through healing yourself following your own independant path become a trailblazer and empower and encourage others to do the same.
Consensus State:
In this state the Soul in a positive expression is learning to discover an independant identity an independant voice through alignment with timeless values and an awareness of the whole, to be a champion for others and to empower themselves through empowering others. Souls here will be climbing the social ladder and helping others do the same through an emphasis on the whole. In this state you could possibly see this manifest as a pastor who starts his own independent church with out denomination or possibly a pastor who re-writes scriptor that feels more in alignment with his heart that is in awarenes of the whole and inclusive of all. This could also be like the Social worker who sees that the system they work in needs to change to benefit others better and so helps pioneer new ways with in the system or leaves the system to start some new form of social work or charity. The Soul here will be healing the past by helping others by going there own independant way having faith in themselves and a higher order or power.
Individual State:
Souls here will be aligning with an independant identity and independant voice through timeless values and will learning to break free from consensus reality and consensus forms of spirituality. Souls here are aligning more with an independant form of living and spiritualizing and will be healing the past feelings of persecution and inferiority for being different by leading others who are different and are wounded through there differences. A good example of a spiritual warrior here and champion for the underdog would be someone like Lady Gaga who completely honors all differences in others and empowers others to honor that in themselves. Healing through empowerment....
Spiritual State:
In this state the Soul will be discovering an independant identity and independant voice through an alignment and awareness of the whole of a higher order and a higher power. The Soul here will be learning to be a spiritual warrior and champion for underdog to empower itself and others through aligment with the Source. To be the change they wish to see in the world by becoming compassionate, forgiving, accepting and embracing of all, a true and natural humility. Souls here will be taking action to embrace timeless emotional, mental, psychological and physical traditions of healing and spiritualizing. The Soul here will be learning to independantly spiritualize away from others and take an independant path that feels right to the Soul from with in. The Soul will be working on methods of action that lead to direct perception and proof of Source. Here the Soul will be using all its Aries courage to unmake the past to know Source for themselves and this has to be done through heading in a direction that is completely unknown, a new way, a new life, a new identity through a progressive alignment with God and through new path will be learning an idependant voice to share with others to empower themselves and others through sharing of their personal truth, their personal story.
Thank you,
Heather
Hi Heather,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. The courage to initiate the necessary changes that are based upon timeless, natural values reflects a brand new evolutionary cycle of becoming (Pluto's polarity point in Aries in the 12th house). The evolving egocentric structure, the egocentric structure that the Soul creates in order to evolve itself, is founded in these same core archetypes (North Node in Aries in the 12th house). Action upon what is right for all, or the whole, is a central dynamic symbolized as well.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
Pluto Polarity Point/North Node in the 12th house in Aries
Some days ago, i opened Autobiography of a Yogi in random and found that humorous episode in which the Great Master Lahiri Mahasaya called his Guru and Mahavatar Babaji's presence, in order to prove the Mahavatar's existence to a group of doubting friends. The answer was a reminder of one of the most important spiritual laws,
'Truth is for earnest seekers, not for those of idle curiosity. It is easy to believe when one sees; there is nothing then to deny. Supersensual truth is deserved and discovered by those who overcome their natural materialistic skepticism ("¦) 'Henceforth, my son, I shall come when you need me, and not always when you call me.'
What a joy"¦ It moved me to re-write the assignment from here.
In the area of our charts were we find the archetype of Initiation, Aries, we find that place in life in which we naturally are active earnest seekers. Usually this is a very innocent/straightforward part of self, with very little complication. There is simply something special there, asking we start to discover it by taking action. With Aries in the 12th house, wouldn't it be some spiritual quest underlying this soul's evolutionary purpose, regardless of the evolutionary states? This soul would have instinctual desires to know the Source and simultaneous fears, doubts, insecurities and past experiences that seem to undermine this path.
Due to the re-living condition this could be a soul having a spiritual quest after the spiritual crisis. Having to reestablish a complete new approach to life, beliefs about religion or transcendence of any kind.
Contemplating the expression of this energy, it is important to refer the natural aries/virgo inconjunct underlying theme, and also in having aries trying to find expression through pisces.
Aries is clear individual will, Pisces is, ultimately, Divine will. The soul senses both, and it is worth mention how this can justify by itself immense confusion, doubts and frustration, separating/returning. Action demanding some physical expression and pisces feeling unclear about which action to take. With the juxtaposition of culmination/new phase archetypes, the person's choices are either conditioning or becoming a vehicle for the whole to manifest. Or, as JWG said mentioning pluto/mars aspects, the individual can choose between total transformation or total self-destruction.
When we face the need to take action and align it with doubts and insecurity for results we expect to achieve (or of our capacity of achievement), we have the inconjunct crisis. With aries in the 12house this crisis can have many expressions but all can refer to frustrated actions, diffused will and doubts about the capacity to manifest the soul's desires with strength and willpower. But there would be an evolutionary reason for that.
Taking action, in the context of the 12th house, requires a tremendous amount of faith and patience. The active seeker is now in the realms of unseen realities. Those realities might range from everything delusional (no reality at all) to the Universal Truth itself.
It could be expected that the soul's evolution is first marked by some degree of inner frustration - aries in the 12th house. This frustration can represent a test of wills, test of faith, for an undefined amount of time. A time for calling with no apparent answer. A search that can seem to have been in vain, with too many obstacles and trials.
Although every time something fails or goes the "˜wrong way' something could actually be taking advance, with pluto/sn in the 6th house an incessant replay of thoughts can suggest the exact opposite. The human brain in crisis mode tends to be its own worst enemy and replay the same story over and over. Aries here can also point to a deep desire to conquer the mind, to transcend thought.
One way to work positively with inconjuncts, is to act accepting obstacles but still take some action, in sense, refining the action, even if some introspect time of pause is necessary. There is this image on the I Ching hexagram 39, Obstruction, that illustrates this well. It advises to behave like water. When facing an obstacle, water pauses and gathers strength to overcome it. It is still action but indirect action accepting the obstacle, and being determined to overcome it. Whilhem says about this hexagram "˜an individual is confronted by obstacles that cannot be overcome directly. In such a situation it is wise to pause in view of the danger and to retreat. However, this is merely a preparation for overcoming the obstructions. One must join forces with friends of like mind and put himself under the leadership of a man equal to the situation.' Here the leadership man is the Source itself, and the soul is then putting itself at service of individuals of like mind. In a step by step process, after some time, a soul can even realise how fortunate it was for taking the indirect road, and how many unexpected people/things has seen/known/learned, impossible otherwise. Through the finger of God, adding the other leg of the inconjunct, the soul is asked, for an undetermined amount of time, to behave like water, and gather the strength of a truly humble soul guided individual (aries/virgo/pluto). Trusting the strength of right will.
Contemplating the possible actions that will feel coherent with evolution for this soul, even though the natal position of mars will say more about it, to put it simply, this is someone who can be deeply moved by finding its own way to communicate with the Source. This is a person that could feel much loneliness, lack of understanding and overall inner void in contact with other human beings. A soul that wants and desires to learn how to pray, meditate, or create its own unique way of spiritual communication, one that makes sense in its evolutionary and karmic context.
In this way, with determination and practice, sooner or later the call will be heard and when the seeker really needs, will have an answer. Trust and faith are undissociated in the spiritual life.
It is really interesting because human beings that know how pray (trust they are heard) are never alone. In this case, prayer can then heal their chronic doubting states.
Evolutionary States
Transversal to all evolutionary states, with a venus sagittarius in the 8th house as sn/pluto ruler, trust foundations could be very shaken. If faith comes undissociated from trust, how can they readily trust when so many betrayals could have already occurred? How can a soul have faith if so much has been devastated or lost? It is from here that we can see one of the core reasons for being stuck in this re-living condition. Because the very foundations of evolution are compromised by its own repeated destruction in the soul's past, they have to be rebuilt from the exact same place in an indirect way. In this case, after some lessons regarding misapplication of trust and service, the soul needs to discover by itself, who and what to trust or not to trust, who to give or not to give to, by trial and error. A soul in this situation is invited to trust something beyond itself, personal dramas and stories, to contemplate the bigger picture and intuitively act (or not act) accordingly. With 12th house aries the most important discovery can be the ability to master and control its own life crisis by non-action when that feels like the appropriate thing to do. That can be the basis from which an inner spiritual life can take shape and almost miraculously witness the external world improve. In all conditions, a sense of special union with Spirit can be witnessed, experienced and passed on to others.
Consensus
It is true that aries action refers to instinctively having to do something of which the full purpose is relatively unknown. In an evolutionary state where society's values condition the soul's consciousness, the main purpose could be disguised in other's own motives or personal agendas. Rage and inner frustration can be experienced when these souls discover that much of life is spent doing what others expect from them, and an immense desire to let it all go and find their own way. At this moment, the soul creates the opportunities to act differently from what has been so far. The development of faith can occur when positive results are expressed in consequence of different action. When a new way forward starts an continues to show itself by itself. The soul will instinctually feel that a much Higher power is manifesting in its own life and possibly search for and align with a religious practice (or redefine the one that already has), this time, coming from an experience felt first from within. An experience that can and will be inspiring to others, facing their own crisis of faith. Later in life we can see here the writer of a self-help book on miracles and the power of faith in the context of the followed religion.
Individuated State
This can be a very inner challenging signature in re-living conditions. Makes me think of someone like Stephen Hawking. From outside and vague understanding, Stephen Hawking is living to prove that the God of man-made religions does not exist, from the God given capacity and its own individuated efforts of a brilliant mind, extraordinary persistence and scientific genius. Even though this is producing some extraordinary inner tension, by affirming that "˜God does not exist', he is talking to consensus society and in fact creating the necessary questions to promote some degree of evolution. Hawking does have a moon, neptune retrograde and north node in virgo inconjunct aries mars. Hope I'm getting this one right"¦ Other souls, can adjust their inner skepticism by working with animals and plants, shamanic practices and innovative theurapeutic approach on this areas.
Spiritual
In this state the soul could have to review much of its own beliefs with significant tests of faith. In the earlier stages the soul can be lost in the influence of many teachers and practices. In indirect way, this tests of faith are a way for the soul to liberate from outdated influences and go in the search of its own voice and teachers, by elimination, trail and error. Here the devotee can truly emanate from the seeker.
Thank you once more for your patience,
Helena
Hi All,
just wish to share how strange it is (i'm a bit shaken still) that in my later post yesterday i suddenly remembered to mention stephen hawking and today i saw that he just died. Its completely unrelated and if it is inappropriate the example please let me know and i will take it out. And coincidently this is also my birthday day... Strange occurrences.
May his soul be in peace.
Best to all,
Helena
Hi Helena,
I love the way the timeless antenna works and that you gave a nod to the great Steven Hawking in your work. DDD
Hi Helena,
Thank you for making additions to your last post. Yes, alignment of personal will and the will of the Source, proper use of will power, is a core evolutionary intention of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. In so doing, negative patterns of the past that are linked with self-doubt, lack, perpetual crisis, and extremes (Pluto in Virgo in the 7th house conjunct the South Node) are transmuted. From my understanding, one can only truly know the Source through direct experience and intuition, not belief or intellect. JWG often taught that it does not require belief to validate the Natural laws and truths that govern Creation. From my view, your example illustrates this point. In our practice chart this dynamic is reflected by Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Everyone,
Ok thank you Deva for continuing to teach us here...
Heather
Thank you Deva, for your time, words and wisdom in teaching us all.
DDD, thank you also for your always present well disposed spirit :)
I also would like to mention what a pleasure it was to finally, and quietly, be able to catch up with everyone's latests posts and see how much each individual contribution is so valuable for an overall meaning of this signature and how we can by now recognise each of our voices immediately. Thank you!
Helena
Hi All,
The next step of the practice thread is the planetary ruler of the North Node. Remember that the planetary ruler of the North Node correlates with the primary archetypes used by the Soul to consciously actualize the North Node. In our practice chart, the planetary ruler of the North Node is Mars. For sake of simple example, let's put Mars in the 2nd house. From an evolutionary point of view, Mars in the 2nd house symbolizes that self-sufficiency, self-reliance, and self-consolidation are the core dynamics used by the Soul to actualize the current evolutionary intention's indicated by Pluto's polarity point and the North Node.
The Taurus/Venus/2nd-house archetype correlates with the survival instinct in all of us, what it takes to survive, and the need to identify one's own resources in order to affect survival on a physical and emotional level. Within that is the procreational instinct for the survival of the species. Thus, the Soul's sexual values, needs, and it's inner relationship to it's sexuality is reflected.
With Mars in the 2nd the Soul is setting in a motion a new cycle of sexual discovery and actualization relative to the specific evolutionary states that condition that discovery and evolution. As such the Soul will desire and need a necessary freedom in order for that to be actualized. Within this, because of the underlying archetype of self reliance within the 2nd House the Soul is learning that it's sexual needs are not DEPENDENT on another person. Thus, sexual self sufficiency is being learned as an underpinning to the entire life.
The Taurus, 2nd house/Venus archetype symbolizes the inner side of Venus, our inner relationship with self. The need to withdraw into the self to minimize the impact of the external environment, to self-consolidate, is reflected as well. In this way, a self-sufficient orientation to life in general is developed. Typically, in order to learn the evolutionary lesson of self-reliance we must be "thrown back" on ourselves in some way. Our values and resulting sense of meaning for the life is symbolized as well. The key within this is that our values are the determinate to who we form relationships with and whom not. Often, this archetype correlates with what JWG has termed "the frog in the well" syndrome. From the bottom of the well the frog has identified a small piece of the universal sky, yet thinks it is the total sky.
In the context of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, actualization of inner resources to affect survival, and self-reliance are the primary archetypes through which evolution from temporal to timeless, natural values, and development of the independent voice takes place. In essence, as the Soul identifies it's own intrinsic values and inner resources to affect self-reliance an evolution from temporal to universal, natural values occurs. In this way, a new evolutionary cycle is put into motion (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house). In addition, a critical evolutionary intention is apply the knowledge gained through either personal crisis or from others from whom the Soul has solicited advice. In the same way, the individual must only initiate relationships with others who also have the capacity, to foster a mutual self-reliant orientation within the relationship. In this way, perpetual crisis and co-dependency will be transmuted (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node).
Consensus State: In the Consensus State, self-reliance will manifest through actualization of inner resources within the mainstream society. For example, the Soul could advocate a variety of self healing techniques that others can apply independently, self-therapy. In so doing, the Soul will advance within the social strata, and become self-sufficient within the mainstream society via it's own self-effort. This becomes the vehicle through which an evolution from temporal values to natural, timeless values, and development of the independent voice takes place. The Soul has the potential to break new ground through actualization of these inner resources (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, planetary ruler Mars in the 2nd house). Sexually speaking, the Soul will orientate towards it's sexuality based upon the values taught within the mainstream society of birth. This may manifest as sex performed for purely procreational purposes.
In a positive expression, the Soul will promote the actualization of inner resources that are based upon universal, natural values. For instance, using an inherent skill to help others who are underprivileged improve their overall life conditions reflects alignment with the current life's evolutionary intentions (Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, planetary ruler Mars in the 2nd house). In a negative expression, the Soul will act upon temporal values within the mainstream, the desire for social status and material possessions, in order to feel secure.
Individuated State: In the Individuated State, self-reliance will manifest through actualization of inner resources within an alternative field. The Soul will desire to liberate from mainstream values, and individuate through identifying it's own sense of meaning for the life (Mars in the 2nd house). For instance, the Soul could could actualize inner resources within an alternative field that are based upon service to those who have been persecuted or rejected by the mainstream, to help those who are also individuating self heal and become self-sustaining via actualization of their inner resources. This becomes a vehicle through which liberation from mainstream values and development of the independent voice within an alternative field takes place (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, planetary ruler Mars in the 2nd house).
Sexually speaking, the Soul will desire to use sexuality to liberate and decondition from mainstream values, to promote the transition from mainstream values to alternative values. As such, rebellion against the traditional mainstream attitudes and values towards sexuality typically occurs. The partner must share this same inner orientation towards sexuality.
In a positive expression, the Soul will actualize inner resources that reflect a transition from consensus values to the "˜alternative' values, and the meanings given to those alternative values, that manifest as a reaction or rebellion to the existing consensus values within the context of the society of birth. For example, the Soul could become self-sustaining through actualization of new and unique counseling skills within an alternative field (Pluto conjunct the South Node in Libra in the 6th house, Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, planetary ruler Mars in the 2nd house). In a negative expression, the Soul will undermine this intention by living through the values of the mainstream, compensation for the feelings of lack and guilt through the appearance of conformity to mainstream.
Spiritual State: In the Spiritual State, self-reliance will manifest through union with the Source, and actualization of right work as directed by the Source. In essence, the Soul will desire to become self-sustaining through spiritual development, and cultivating a primary relationship with the Source. In this evolutionary state, the individual's inner relationship is founded in timeless, universal values. The Soul will naturally desire to help others become self-reliant through independent spiritual development, and actualization of inner resources that are in alignment with natural laws and values.
Sexually speaking, The Soul will orient towards sexuality in the context of merging with the emotional/sexual/and spiritual body of another, to merge with the divinity in another. In addition, sexual practices that create an expansion within consciousness through union with the Source are used to facilitate an ongoing evolution.
In a positive expression, the Soul could impart teachings that advocate how to directly know, or experience, the Source independent from any spiritual teacher, to merge with God/dess from within oneself (Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, planetary ruler Mars in the 2nd house). For example, Kriya Yoga is a specific technique first taught in the West by Yogananda that promotes direct experience of God/dess. In a negative expression, the Soul will act patriarchal values and create a resulting experience of disillusionment.
Please write out in your own words an analysis of the planetary ruler of the North Node, Mars in the 2nd house.
Namaste,
Deva
Mars in 2nd House as Ruler of North Node in Aries/12th
Mars in the second house indicates that the outward-moving energy of Mars is now turned inward in order to effect self-reliance, self-consolidation and self-sufficiency through the identification of personal resources that can be developed and actualized as a means of physical and emotional self-sustainment. Since the second house also symbolizes the instinct to survive, the need to learn about one's own sexual values through self-love is indicated. In addition to helping them stabilize their energy, the natural act of masturbation will help them learn the lesson of sexual self-reliance. They don't have to be dependent on another for their sexual needs. Because this is a new cycle, the soul will need freedom to explore any previously unknown aspect of themselves that relates to these principles.
Over time there will be a growing sense of security and power related to self-reliance. As an extreme example, if someone can take care of their own sexual needs, fix it themselves, read about it themselves, grow it themselves, brew it themselves, believe what they want to believe, etc., why would they ever look outside of themselves at all? There may even be a perception that other people just get in the way. Such minimization of external impact can lead to an insular psychology to a lesser or greater degree depending on evolutionary stage. At some point the evolutionary forces of the 8th House will require interaction with others, their ideas etc. so that the soul will be forced out of their self-constructed safe space in order to grow.
In the example we have been using with PPP and NN in the 12th/Aries, the identification and actualization of the soul's inner resources will help the soul evolve towards timeless, natural values. It will also be the way they develop their independent voice and set the new evolutionary cycle into motion. This in turn will help them evolve out of relationship patterns defined by crisis and inequality towards ones of balance and mutual empowerment. Self-healing of a physical, mental and spiritual nature can be effected through cooperation with the evolutionary intentions.
Consensus
In the consensus state, a soul will identify and actualize its own resources within the context of mainstream society. As an example, in order for a nature-loving individual to make a living that will involve spending time outside, they might choose to keep bees, produce honey and other related products. There is the potential here to find new, innovative ways related to this age-old tradition of beekeeping. They could write books or give classes on beekeeping so that others could keep their own hives. In this way they could help heal our environment, aid the bees themselves and contribute to society in a way that benefits others. Whatever resources they choose to actualize in order to make a living, they could use the knowledge gained through their self-effort to advance within society. The discovery and actualization of their inner resources will become the means by which they find their independent voice. There will also be an evolution from a purely wordly and mundane based experience of reality to one that is timeless and spiritually based. In terms of sexuality, there will probably not be much in the way of experimentation. Depending on the mores of the consensus belief system they are born into, there might be guilt attached to certain ways of experiencing sexuality, including masturbation.
Individuated
A person in the individuated state would identify and actualize their own inner resources in areas considered unusual or different by mainstrem society. Through the identification, development and utilization of their inner resources they will find their independent voice. In defining meaning from within they will continue to break free and decondition from the mores of consensus society. Altruistic or service work reflecting timeless values could take any form that feels right to them. Such work or career will be the vehicle through which they continue to de-condition, develop their autonomy and sense of value and meaning. An example of altruistic work could be teaching refugee populations to speak English so that they themselves can be more fully integrated into their new communities by utilizing their own inner resources and innovative ways. (Just such a man has gained respect in Idaho by growing exotic fruit where it was thought only potatoes could grow). Working with people on the edges of society could possibly bring with it condemnation and criticisms from some fear-based sections of mainstream society, but with courage and the willingness to listen to others on how to improve their interaction in thoughtful and respectful ways, such criticisms could be minimized. They will also continue to decondition and liberate from the mainstream through their sexual life where intimacy with themselves or another can be experimental and adventurous.
Spiritual
In the Spiritual state, an inner relationship with God/Goddess will be identified as the primary means by which self-reliance is effected. Right work of an altruistic or service nature will be on behalf of, and directed by the Divine and will reflect values of a timeless, universal nature. For some, this direct connection with God/Goddess will take place through interaction with nature in the way of shamanism. There will be a natural desire to help others on the spiritual path identify their own inner resources by way of cultivating their own inner relationship with God/Goddess. They could encourage and teach others how to use proven techniques of inner Spiritual Union, including the use of sexual energy to connect with the Divine and expand consciousness. By this stage they have learned how to ask and answer their own spiritual questions from within and they will encourage others to trust their own intuition in Spiritual inquiry. In a positive expression, relationships will be balanced where both partners respect and encourage independence and mutual self-reliance. In their sexual life, they will have the desire to experience God/Goddess together in Union and can use techniques of merging their energy to expand consciousness and realize the Divine in Love. DDD
Hi DDD,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Mars in the 2nd house relative to Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. Yes, as the Soul learns to form relationships with others in a self-reliant way, a natural expansion beyond the limitations of the past takes place. This is indicated by Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, planetary ruler of the South Node Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house in the context of Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house, planetary ruler of the North Node Mars in the 2nd house. The Soul will enter personal and social relationships from an inwardly balanced and centered orientation. In addition, the Soul can put into motion it's own sense of meaning and value for the life (Mars in the 2nd house). This includes fulfillment of its sexual needs independent from any relationship at times, initiation of sexual self-sufficiency. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thanks Deva, I appreciate your comments and clarification. DDD
Hi Deva and Everyone,
RULER OF THE NN/PPP 12th - MARS IN THE 2ND HOUSE
With the ruler mars in the 2nd house relative to 12th house PPP/NN, all the instinctual action the soul takes on self-discovery, spiritual practice and life overall simplification is done with emphasis on the self and not on the world outside. Self-reliance comes then from being able to establish by personal effort a new value system, found by exercising personal talents, inclinations and self-sustained methods to job, daily events or routines, and not from borrowing them from anyone else. In essence the soul desires to build its own world from the inside, shutting down the communication channels that do not work, are outdated, or create unnecessary noise, too much familiarity and complication. This is a hard thing to do on re-living conditions, essentially because with the ruler of pluto and sn on the 8th house, much the soul has experienced are other's points of view, intimate contacts and bonds that blur the soul's essential nature at this point, to an extreme where it no longer knows who it is and what is right service and right relating.
It is now necessary to contain any experience in a relatively safe and secure environment, with the use of time and daily steps on the direction of building the solid structure for this to happen - to have the capacity to be independent and alone first, in the aim of this task and in cultivation of relationship with Source.
People with strong emphasis on the 2nd house can be very determined and strong willed when it comes to survival. If self-reliance and self-sufficiency are not built form within, the soul can attract others that provide them with a illusory sense of security, making them dependent and subject of their own wills.
The path of this soul is to be able to identify, end and rebuilt all those relationships, trusting first that nature always replaces a void, and refuse to replace this void with people or situations that promote dependencies.
If there is space left for the new, it will come, with patience, acceptance, diligence and self-reliance, 12th/2nd houses.
Being mars the planet in this position, sexuality plays an important role in the soul's evolution . Personal discovery of sexual desires, needs, and sexual self-sufficiency can promote methamorphosis. Otherwise, the impulsive need to create intimate bonds with others can lead the soul to confrontations with the the past. These confrontations can also be the vehicle for how change will happen. With inner questioning, whether or not the relationships formed are fulfilling the inner needs and balancing the desire natures of both partners, progressive elimination of masochistic/sadistic partnerships, friendships or work relationships can occur. This position can also suggest the desire to learn about the power of sexuality, proper and rightful application of it, in way that it is not used to take advantage of others or their resources but instead for personal and the partner's mutual self-discovery. With venus in sagittarius in the 8th house, mars in the second house can instinctively feel, know and help the partners in providing what they need to live sexuality more naturally and freely.
It is by now clear, if we look at it from the karmic/evolutionary signature context we have been studying, that necessarily this will take time, moments of emotional upheaval, solitude and rebirth. This is someone that is not used to the calm and tranquil life that intimately and on the soul level desires, so will tend to undermine it now and then. It is in the direction of stoping this self undermining that mars in the 2nd house is going, positively, with time.
I also get the sense, that the libra extremes in this condition are also seen in the natural opposition of the SN/NN rulers. And again, both situations need to be balanced, with harmony arising with self-control in the instinctual desire to go into partnership to feel secure or completed. This position of mars will deny that sense of security in others at some point. With mars in natural opposition to venus in this case, the sexual impulse can be disturbed by values and desires that belong to others, and by the habit to fulfil their needs in a way that is detrimental to soul's real value system. Security for mars/2nd house, when naturally expressed, comes from the self and that will be its essential truth. The soul will have to choose in what way will apply the natural inner resistance and fixed nature of the 2nd house. In which terms the instinct to keep separate from all that is not mars in the 2nd house is applied. From one side, this can be a mirror of resisting evolution and maintaining old values, partnerships and dynamics in order to survive; the other way, can be practiced to serve as healthy boundaries, strength in individual effort, necessary limitation and discriminations and serving the partner's actual needs not compromising the self and self-respect.
Consensus State
With mars in the 2nd house, the sense of frustration and lack of the past, 6th house, can be progressively eliminated with sustained effort towards a goal. In the work context this can serve as personal motivation to overcome limitations and actualise the right work or, otherwise in extreme resistance case, serve as an excuse to stay with what is safe and secure, leading to again humiliation and crisis. Both will promote change and desire for personal self-suficiency.
This energy is very much fixed in the body's needs. The compulsive desire to be involved in sexual experiences or the repulsion towards it, can lead to all kind of confrontations that hopefully promote self-awareness relative to guilt, shame, or other sexual behaviour that is inherently related to religious beliefs and education. Progressively, this self-awareness can lead to experiences where sexuality is not a result of transgression or obeying religion's laws, but in fact a discovery of sexuality that is rooted in the natural desires and sensuality of the body.
With time the soul can evolve by stabilizing this energy and use it a as basis for relief of any stress or crisis that can come in daily life and work situations, leading to trust and intimacy, alignment with Higher Law, transcendence of an old way of being and the beginning of a new cycle.
Individuated State
In this state the soul might also have to deal with rigid compulsions and additions connected to the power of sexuality, how this power is used and in what way is metamorphosed into significant and soul fulfilling sexual experiences.
Relative to 12th house, the discovery of natural sexuality, can be the main way to promote necessary change relative to living an authentic life, separated from all that are the consensus religious dogmas and necessary rebellion, contributing to a real soul experience of individuation.This is someone who can use the knowledge gained with self-discovery to help others do the same, even to the point of becoming a symbol of self-improvement for others in the chosen field. The capacity to be a teacher can naturally surface when the soul has applied sustained effort in developing its own talents, be in the areas of sexuality, spiritual development, academic research, psychology, new forms of agriculture and sustainability, or any other discipline that creates change, practical innovation and methamorphosis of existing conditions for itself, others and society. This is the position of the humble, self-contained Teacher, leading by example.
The planet mars here, can make what we call the accidental hero, or a symbol for self-improvement under the more harsh circumstances. It will be that effort and the results of it that simultaneously can contribute to awareness of Higher Law, relationship with the Source and spiritual truth.
Spiritual State
Having to be its own Teacher seems to be the main theme here. The soul, by progressively developing universal and timeless methods and practices, applying them on itself in its own unique way, can structure, build and sustain a relationship with God/dess, that naturally speaks to others by its simplicity and truth.
Sacred sexuality, methods and practices, can be the service this soul is here to come to know, share and help others with.
Thank you,
Helena
Hi Helena,
Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Mars in the 2nd house relative to Pluto's polarity point and the North Node in Aries in the 12th house. Yes, the need to simplify life in general and identify inner resources in order to affect self-reliance are core evolutionary intentions for the life. Within this, the Soul's right work will be founded on service to others in the context of promoting the awareness of their inner resources that can be used to affect self-reliance, and are in alignment with natural, timeless values. In terms of intimate relationships, the partner must share the Soul's same sexual orientation and values, and also have the capacity for sexual self-sufficiency. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Thank very much Deva.
All the best,
Helena
Hi Deva,
I'll be writing my part very soon. Sorry for the delay!!
Hi Deva and Everyone!!
Mars/2nd as the planetary ruler of NN/12th/Aries:
Here again we see how the entire evolutionary intention is pointing towards self-reliance, self-containment, and an absolute releasing of any dependencies of any kind onto others and external reality. Mars in the 2nd becomes the other vehicle through which this soul can actualice the NN. The soul needs to initiate actions (mars) that will help the soul discover the inner resources, that in turn helps the soul develop an alignment with timeless/universal laws.
Mars in the 2nd points towards cultivation of a relationship to self that is independent from others and excessive external input. This relationship to self happens by following the instinctual need to act on certain issues that promote the
discovery of the inner resources residing within the soul. This in turn consolidates a new sense of values that is separate from others which helps the soul align with the PPP/Aries/12th/house archetype in general, permeated by faith in the process, self-empowerment, focusing on the big picture as opposed to picking at the details, interdependent relationships and so on.
Mars here represents the conscious desires the soul will be acting on that correlate to the unconscious desires expressed by Pluto. NP and Mars are squaring each other by house.
So instinctual mars is driving this soul to initiate actions towards self-consolidation by removing external dependencies and by identifying what this soul needs in order to survive within itself which will stress out the resistance aspect of the NP. This same impulse is helping resolve the NP and will assist the parts where the soul is in cooperation with the evolutionary intention.
This can definitely show up in one step forward towards self-reliance that triggers the NP insecurity and two steps back towards relying on others and codependencies which will ensue in crises.
Taking it slow with sustained effort will consolidate little by little the new relationship to self, the faith in the developing self-sustainment.
Another aspect of Mars in the 2nd has to do with sexuality. The soul needs to develop a new relationship to its sexuality, discovering what works and what doesn't and not relying on a partner to do so. The sexual impulse and magnetism will be strong with the mars/2nd and the Venus/8th. Mars and Venus are in a natural opposition but in mutual reception as well indicating the need for balancing these two archetypes. The moment the soul goes too much outside itself for anything, crises ensues to enforce it back into itself. The moment the soul completely isolates itself, it can loose perspective.
The best possible scenario is one where the soul is involved with others that are also self-sufficient and promote it, instead of promoting either of the Libra extremes.
Consensus:
The soul will initiate actions to discover its inner resources that are aligned with the mainstream society it was born into. Through right action and right work the soul can perform a job function that reflects this alignment and helps others do the same. It's likely that the soul will participate in mainstream sexuality and partnership modalities where there's more of a potential for co-dependencies and crises since that is a sector of the population that is highly conditioned by old ways of being in partnership.
If the soul decides to do a job just to feel secure and/or get ahead (mars/2nd-NP), the past dynamics will be recycled.
Individuated:
The soul will feel drawn to initiate actions towards the establishment of its inner self-sufficiency that are aligned with the more alternative fringes of society. These actions will help the soul establish a new sense of inner values and inner relationship within these alternative groups it identifies with.
In some stages the soul will feel that consensus threatens its security and capacity to sustain itself. This can lead to pretend conformity with consensus reality in order to feel secure and sustain itself which will generate crises and implosions.
Positively expressed the soul finds a job function/passion that expresses its individuality and helps/supports others find their own paths for themselves.
Spiritual:
The soul starts aligning with source. The actions initiated, the drive, the passion, all of this, begins to be directed towards the personal experience of source without the necessity of gurus or teachers other than nature itself. It is through the body (embodiment), the experience of nature through the senses that the soul begins to identify that which it needs to survive which begins to translate into a relationship to self/source more and more.. self-source becoming more and more interchangeable as the soul progresses.
Positively expressed, the soul will empower others to do the same without imposing itself as the master. Negatively expressed, the soul attaches itself to other's opinions/ideas of what this alignment with source should look/feel like and looses itself in the process, looses touch with its inner power and recycles the past dynamics. Or it becomes the beacon that others have to follow which once again leads to recycling the past.
Namaste
Hi Barbara,
Excellent application of EA! Please clarify what you mean by "NP squares Mars by house." If you are referring to natal Pluto in the 6th house, this would trine Mars in the 2nd house. Yes, the Soul's inner orientation and inner relationship are key relative to the current evolutionary intentions for the life. This is symbolized by Mars in the 2nd house. The need to actualize right work that reflect the individual's overall sense of meaning and value for the life is critical. This is symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in the 12th house, and Mars in the 2nd house. In the Individuated state, this is expressed through a progressive liberation from consensus, or mainstream values. In the Spiritual state, this is expressed through cultivating a primary inner relationship with the Source, and not relying on any external teacher or factor to do so. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Yes Deva, NP, meaning the natal Pluto. Thank you Deva!!!!
Hi All,
I have noticed this thread has slowed and am wondering who intends to post. Thank you for the contributions to this thread.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and Everyone,
My intentions were to post and I kept telling myself that if I give myself some time and space it will happen but it has not happened. It's like I have nothing to say anymore and I'm in some deep inner void... I want to write with discernment and discrimination, I want to write from a place that is true from within myself yet come from a place of true humility at the same time, yet It doesn't seem to happen or I don't seem to understand what this means.. I realize I won't learn unless I try but I'm not getting feedback from the Universe as to the change or what it will look like or what it should be and even though I have learned such important lessons about being on public forums and to truly think about what one is putting out there for the world to read I just don't want to keep making the same mistakes... I don't know how to move forward and it's honestly breaking my heart because for the last two years these practice threads have helped me keep going they were a life line for me...
Rad, Deva, Kristin, DDD, Helena, Wei, Barbara 1 and Everyone who comes to this message board and shares has been such a blessing for me, a home, kind of like a family as in my world I feel very displaced.
I just wanted to say thank you so much with all my Heart and Soul...
Wolf's work has been and continues to be my guiding light and always will be and I hope and pray that some day the Universe will help me assimilate this work and be able to pass on the Gift of EA to others...
Love Heather
Hi Heather, the MB is also a blessing for me. Thanks for sharing your inner experience in the way that you have. I hope you stay with us. DDD
Hi Everyone,
Thank you DDD...
I'm still here following along and learning... I have a sincere desire to learn and grow and truly embody these concepts we have been learning... In my experience nothing stays the same and so where I find myself right now will change in time... I am responsible for what I create and hold myself accountable... I'm just having a hard time making the change not because I don't want to but because honestly when I start to write something I'm like well is this with discernment and discrimination and true humility and I re-read it over and over in my mind many times and the whole time I'm going oh my gosh I have no idea like honestly I don't know... It's very confusing and frustrating to not be able to understand the truth of these things... I'm rather sure I will participate again in the future once I am to gain some solid ground with understanding and embodying these concepts... I have to be able to at least feel ok about what I'm writing on a public forum, that's it's for the benefit of all who reads it... I am not giving up I'm just taking more time to gain some clearity...
Heather
Hi Deva and everyone
Thank you all for this thread, I have been in low energy mode for quiet a while, but I do wanna get back and continue! Reading through at the moment, will try my best to post within next week.
Heather, message board is like family to me also, i can't put into words, how EA gave me hope and changed my life.
Wei
Hi Deva and All,
i kind of smiled immediately on reading Wei's words of being on a low energy mode, because i would not translate mine in better sentence :) Thank you Wei! What i would say also is that for me this is a feeling of self-protection in a time where the world is a really weird energy one... But since we are co-creators of this whole thing, i wouldn't find a better place to stay in alignment with what's real than to an active part of this forum and learn and share with all of you, so i will definitely be in. Thank you Deva, for accompanying us.
Heather, also thank you very much for the way that you communicate what you are feeling. That is a wonderful gift you give to all of us.
Helena
Hi Everyone,
Just want to say thank you Wei and Helena....
Heather
Hi everyone
This is not a reply but a question. More specifically:
I"˜ve read since the beginning this thread which I find extremely useful for Life. I am not a professional that's why I haven't been enrolled till now. I also don't have the qualifications to take part in it; I am very new in EA (few months). I"˜ve enrolled only to ask a question about Pluto's polarity point which though doesn't fit in this specific thread (I didn't know where to post it). I have noticed in charts (mine included) that where PPP is found (house), Chiron is also found there. Sometimes, it is found even in the same sign. Is this accidental (only to these charts that I saw) or is it part of the Soul's journey in current life, maybe the purpose of it: to conquest or master (please forgive my English) themes of its own wounds, the themes of the wounded house? To "unwound" the wounded house? I would be grateful to any of you that could give an answer. If you think that the post is totally irrelevant please delete it or tell me to delete it.
May all be well and continue this excellent work
Irini
Hi Irini,
First, welcome to our message board. When you have a question to post you will see on the first page in the upper right hand corner a tag that says 'new topic': see the attached jpg below. When you click that on this then allows anyone to ask a question in the blank field that is there to post the question within. Once you have written you question then hit the button that says send. It will then be posted as a new question on the message board.
It is not a general truth to find Chiron conjunct in the same house of the PPP. So this is just something you are finding in the charts you have been looking at. The meaning of that is dependent on the totality of the chart itself starting with the Pluto paradigm which supplies the individual evolutionary/ karmic context for any given Soul.
God Bless, Rad
P.S. You can enlarge the below picture by clicking on the 'jpg' .. it will then create a new screen with the enlarged picture.
Hi Rad
Thank you so much for your immediate answer and your clarifications. Grateful.
Always blessed
Irini
Hi Helena! "What i would say also is that for me this is a feeling of self-protection in a time where the world is a really weird energy one..." I feel u!
Thanks Deva and everyone for keeping this thread going, I'm really grateful to participate and learn from you. I just realized I'm so behind, so I will PPP/NN in 12th house, and ruler Mars in the 2nd together...
PPP/NN in 12th house Aries Ruler Mars in 2nd house
The dualistic choices, oppositions(Pluto/SN Libra) birth into a new way, synthesized the polarities into a new thing, an epiphany, transcendence of immanence, an alternative choice, that's the new beginning. Working together collectively as a single unified organism. An intense period in which the many opposites within your being mystically come together into greater harmony. Those words are from book: Gene Keys, such synchronicity that I read those words while writing this assignment. Libra in 6th house can create such intense crisis, for me is because we are learning how to balance opposite forces, conflict elements within ourselves, then projected into our environment, we incarnated (Virgo 6th house) time and time again to play both sides (Libra), also contain both sides within us, to feel the complexity of being a human, the polarity Aries energy is always in Libra too, we are conditioned to think opposite must fight against each other, one force has to dominate or eliminate the opposite to "fix" the conflict, until through repeating and recreating crisis, we finally reach a new idea that's rooted from universal truth (12th house), give birth to a new way of personalizing divine (12th house Aries), the realization that we are (Aries) so vast (12th house), each of individual soul can contain such complex expression of divine, more than we logically can imagine, when we reach that kind of understanding, it's like source create everything, our individual soul create every quality/experiences, those parts seems contradict with each other, can all exist in harmonie, when we can let go of conditioned logical mind. Going through this self-discovery within divine womb, we go out there re-imagine our life as human being, and participate life/work in a new way.
PPP/NN in 12th house Aries, souls accelerate the process of dissolving/culminating old patterns, the focus shift from mundane life/task towards inner experiences/fantasies/dreams/archetypes, which can lead to spiritual initiation. With ruler Mars in 2nd house, all the potentials/possibilities of this new way of participating life will be explored with deeply internalized focus on oneself, souls will need spend a lot of time in solitude, to discover their inner value/inner resources/desires, and what resources can be developed into the right work for self-sufficiency, certain degree of separation from others/society is necessary, to stabilize their inner value, then the crisis (Pluto in 6th house Libra) can be transmuted, souls can develop healthy boundaries in the relationship/work environment, also know what kind of work/relationship to participate according to their inner value. With solitude time focus on their own desire, by acting upon desires reflect their inner value/inner resources, they will develop the courage/decisiveness to actualize the new evolutionary cycle, give themselves permission, be confident to do what they desire, instead of constant self-doubt/self-criticism, acting according to timeless natural value leading to freedom and satisfy, instead of trapped in constant crisis so to speak. Lastly, I feel Mars in 2nd house relate to PPP/NN in 12th house Aries, souls can embody/individualize these timeless values, their journey can be quiet inspiring and encourage others to actualize their inner values, living their own version of divine incarnation.
This is what i have written and feel authentic so far, post this part keeps me not putting things off again...I will post evolutionary state before Friday.
Thank you again!!
Hi All,
I would like to offer to re-start this thread focusing on applying mitigating factors in the birth chart. A suggestion is that we could continue with a practice chart that has Pluto square the nodal axis using a step by step approach. Please let me know if there is interest in participating in this thread.
Namaste,
Deva
This sounds great! Yes please, count me in
Hola Deva,
I am very interested in participating in the practice thread; that you for the opportunity!
MuchÃsimo gracias ðŸ™ðŸ½
Hi Deva,
Yes! I'm very interested and will be looking forward to it.
Thank you,
Vanessa
Hi Deva!!! I am totally interested in your practice thread :)
Thank you for sharing wisdom with us
Count me in!
Hi Deva, I would like to participate in learning with you!
Best, Akim
I would love to play along :)
I will be following as time permits. I'm looking forward to it. Thank you
(absolutely yes, please, deva -- thank you)... looking forward! :)
I would love to join! Please count me in! :D
I would like to join. Thank you so much, Deva! :)
Hello everybody, i am a new member . Happy to be here and i am interested in this topic very much since i have Pluto squaring my nodes as well as lot of my friends. Thank you for the opportunitiy Deva!
I am interested, Deva - thanks for the opportunity!
Yes please! Count me in
Hi Deva, I would love to participate. Thank you!
Hello,
I'm also a new member.
I'd like to follow and contributing when I able to. :)
Thank you!
Elke
Hi All,
Great! I am excited to continue the practice thread. We will begin on Monday.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
I would like to participate! Thank you!
Rachel H
Hi Deva,
I to would like to join the group.
I joined last spring but have had my hands full, ready to get started.
Is there a time to be on or do we check in when we can?
Brave
Would love to be included! Thank you for generous time towards teaching eager students ;)
Also, any helpful tips for the best way to track your posts for these "˜lessons' is welcomed, lol ;) Thnx!!
Hi Deva,
I'd like to join as well.
Hi,
Thank you for doing this, Deva!
I'd like to participate and I'm very excited about it. :)
I am very exited about this group. Right now the transiting nodes are exact square my Pluto and Pluto are opposite my skipped step moon. Transiting Pluto is also square my true nodes with and orb of 4 degrees. I would love to learn about this, my life is a bit rough right now...;)
I'm also new to the group & interested. i have Virgo U/P and Pisces S/C square the nodes. Multiple skipped steps. natal NN in Gemini. the Grand Mutable Cross. LOL
Hi Deva,
I'm new to the group and keen to participate. Thank you so much! :)
:) Happpy to be here . Thank you Deva for the opportunity, xoxo
Hi All,
There has been a great response from you all. What I would like you all to do at first is to read through the original postings in this thread in which we were going through the various steps to analyze a chart from an EA point of view. This will help you get your feet wet, so to speak.
We will restart this thread by starting from the very beginning of how to employ the EA method of chart analysis by creating a brand new example. Please know and understand that this thread is not to be analyzing anyone's personal chart, so please don't ask about that.
So we will begin with a new chart example on Monday.
Namaste,
Deva
Sounds great, looking forward to it!
Deva,
Yes, I am interested! Thank you so much... My hope is you will consider allowing me to participate, this is exactly what i need... Vibrating the universe and the resolution came through your Diviness.. Yes!
Hi All,
The first step in the paradigm is to put Pluto in a specific house. For the sake of a simple example, we will put Pluto in the 3rd house. Pluto in the 3rd house symbolizes that the core desires and intentions of the past are to collect information, facts, and data from the external environment. This creates a mental framework in which to logically and rationally organize the world around us. This emphasizes the left brain which is rational and logical.
In the Second house, the Soul necessarily withdrew from the impact of the external environment in order to identify its own inner resources to affect self-sustainment. The evolutionary intention of Pluto in the 3rd house is to re-expand into the environment through the in take of many sources of information. The need for diversity is intensified by this Pluto placement. In this way, the Soul expands through the development of the mind and intellect. This is where the Soul "left off " prior to the current life and will naturally "pick up" in this life.
Emotional security is linked with the Soul's pre-existing mental patterns and points of view. Most commonly, the Soul will reject any information that does not support their current view point, or what they consider to be valid and invalid. This sets up a unique problem in that on the one hand is the need to expand upon the existing mental framework, yet on the other hand is the desire to maintain emotional security through the specific view points and mental foundation. As such, this can create situations in which the desire to absorb ever more information, facts, and data from the environment directly undermines the exiting framework. The Soul typically experiences a simultaneous "attraction/repulsion" dynamic with respect to the need to take in new information.
The Soul then made choices as to what information to take in, and which to leave out. These choices have then resulted in intellectual limitations. The critical lesson within this is to learn the difference between that which is based in fact, and that which is based upon opinion or a subjective view point. In so doing, the Soul can purge outdated mental patterns of all sorts, and expand beyond its current intellectual foundation.
The Soul progressively gains the ability to discern what information to take in, and which to leave out. Mercury co-rules the signs of Gemini and Virgo, and Virgo reflects the process on inner analysis of all the information collected from the external environment. As such intellectual discernment is learned: the Soul will no longer run the risk of creating "revolving door of perspectives" in which there is no consistent reference or view point.
As a side note, Martin Luther King Jr. who pioneered the American Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's had Pluto in the 3rd house. In my view, he is a wonderful example of the power that communication can hold. His writings and speeches have and continue to inspire many to persevere in the face of great adversity.
A suggestion is to read Pluto in Gemini/3rd house in the Pluto vol. 1 book, and then write out an analysis of Pluto in 3rd house. Please post by Tuesday next week.
I would also like to remind those who are participating on this thread that we all have differing levels of ability, and not to compare ourselves with anybody else. I am excited to work with you all at your own level. As JWG used to often say "the value is in the effort." The intention of this thread is to practice the evolutionary paradigm step by step, i.e, Pluto, then move to the south node, then move to the planetary ruler of the South Node, then move to Pluto's polarity point, then move to the North Node, and then move the planetary ruler of the North Node.
If you have any questions of how to proceed please let me know.
Namaste,
Deva
My (very simple) first try:
Since Pluto in the 3rd house is ruled by Mercury, it represents souls that have been assimilating their existing realities through rational, logical and intellectual approaches. The deductive thought.
Thirsty for learning, these souls have been always in search for new experiences and points of view that could be obtained from their environment. To each fact and idea that could be logically proved, the more their sense of security grew up.
The paradox, though, is that that the more these souls go on accumulating knowledge, the more they feel to be farther to their goal to understand reality. This would occur because the information acquired would progressively start to contrast with the ones already acquired before, leading to a sort of mental overload.
Hola Deva, thanks for the honor to practice EA with you and the MB.. Here is my practice:
Pluto in the 3rd House or Gemini:
Emotional Security derived from Intellect
A natural yang house, Pluto in the third house or Gemini individuals incarnate into the current lifetime having experienced the evolutionary necessity to project themselves tangibly and empirically outward into the physical environment in order to data collect facts and information which provide consistency, and, therefore providing stability, and security to these individuals. Evolutionary development up to this point for third house Pluto individuals, has focused on finely-tuning the mind and intellect.
Evolving out from the "Yin" evolutionary necessity of withdrawal and internalization of Pluto in the second house, where inner stability was obtained through one's subjective introspection and self sufficiently, Pluto in the Third House individuals realize self-value by amassing facts and information from outside themselves, specifically the external environment in which they have been born into, and advance throughout their lives. The more in depth the knowledge and information obtained through classification and nomenclature about the phenomenal physical environment, the more intellectually, socially and ultimately emotionally secure feels the Third House Pluto native. By developing their mental and intellectual capacities and furthermore classifying and naming their environment, third house Pluto individuals realize self value, and emotional security from the broader external intellectual paradigms they create about the world. This osmosis of the external with the internal vÃa intellectual pursuits and understandings defines the third house individual, and provides inner emotional definition, meaning and security. The more refined the intellectual understanding of who the third house Senses herself to be, and the empirical relationship to the external environment, the more secure the individual feels.
Yet being based on facts outside the Self, the third house Pluto has not desired to understand the deeper personal metaphysical or cosmological meaning of these facts; for the facts created the inherent meaning verses the inner metaphysical interpretation or cosmology. From an evolutionary standpoint, this dissidence between external based understanding and internal (currently underdeveloped) cosmology creates cyclic intellectual implosions in which the logical paradigms disintegrates and digests into a metamorphosis of upward spiral mutable reorganization and understanding. This process is cyclically and continually produced when the third house Pluto's limited intellectual framework prevents further growth and expansion. Depending on the degree of individual resistance relative to the evolutionary need for expansion, determines the degree of of disintegration and potential cataclysm.
The continual evolutionary pressure to generate new experiences and subsequent new information creates an intensity and restlessness within third house Pluto individuals. Fearing stagnation, these natives have a need to communicate their archives of data and understanding to others, perpetuating an ever increasing, mutable, upward spiral of expanding and evolving information. Many times, third house Plutos are viewed as incessant talkers, debaters, and fact sharers. They need this relationship with others in order to internally process their ever evolving intellectual paradigm as well as to obtain additional precious knowledge from others. Moreover, this didactic interaction of knowledge with others further advances the third house Pluto's understanding of the external environment, and enhances their inner sense of emotional security.
This continual pursuit of enhanced and diverse knowledge dilutes the the third house Pluto's unconscious desire to find the one bottom line cosmological understanding that will provide a whole or systematic understanding, leading to a lack of foundation or grounding within the Soul. On an unconscious level, third house Plutos desire a central cosmology, and yet their evolutionary needs require intellectual movement and mutability. A paradox indeed, creating further intellectual didacticism. This spiraling effect can be endless between the perpetual cycles of expansion and contraction.
Hello, in my defence 😊 I am not a native English speaker so I will try to make myself understood and in a simple way share my understanding of Pluto in the third house.
Key words: communication, writing, thinking, analyzing ; perception- thought; filtering data; curiosity, suspicion, calculation; making the unconscious conscious- Pluto.
Evolutionary goal: true meaningful expression of self true conversation, writing, teaching"¦
Pluto in this position suggests the constant need for gathering information in order to connect oneself with the outside world. Making the connections and ordering those data they are expanding their knowledge about life and themselves. Curiosity and need for new information is driving them to find the proof of their own point of view. Depending on the flexibility and mutability of those views is what differs from individual to individual. Whether one is ready and willing or capable of adapting to new data which is different than those integrated before. Depending of the sign Pluto is in and the aspects Pluto forms to other planets we can find out the degree of resistance to change.
Restlessness is product of boredom and stagnation witch then drives those individuals to communicate and collect new data. Gemini need of the other to exchange and communicate the information. There is constant thirst for new information and all the nuances around specific topics, just wanting more and more at some point overwhelms. Not being able to summarize and order all leads to great confusion and chaos.
Ability and flexibility to consider facts that do not resonate with personal state of mind is reflected in conversations with others. Is that person taking in what the other person is saying, is other people view interesting and is it possible to understand the other person, take it into consideration or is it just speaking only their side of the story or stating only their position and just talking endlessly fact after fact after fact"¦ Depending of the evolutionary conditions is how they will respond to these situations.
Consensus state- taking the consensus point of view as secure and validated not questioning it.
Individuated state-will question the consensus opinion trying to find other views or combine something new entirely or at least another version of the existing one- this is the evolutionary process.
Spiritual state is drawn intuitively to a larger comprehending of the cosmos and the Creation itself.
Whenever there is a truth that is exclusively wrong or right there is a limitation in finding the real truth
Evolutionary lesson is to develop communicative skills to transfer the knowledge which they gathered, evaluated, organized and integrated with open mind and heart
Simplified example with this pandemic situation would be in my own interpretation:
Consensus state would read articles and listen to the news obsessively just to repeatedly get the verification and more facts to communicate their point of view which would be mainstream propaganda or most popular conspiracy theory not trying to understand those that disagree with them.
Individuated state would try to find resources and dig deeper, reading articles made by physicians and other specialists involved in research and checking their background. Try to find about situations in other country, find what their media is exposing. Speaking with people with different views and making debate"¦.
Spiritual state would be able to comprehend the situation as whole with all the possibilities not necessarily having all the answers but understanding its impacts on socioeconomic and psychological level able to reach people at least try to approach more people by communicating their visions of the situation. Maybe trying to point out problems which arise from polarized and exclusive opinions and illuminate things some people are not aware of in a polite, diplomatic, kind way"¦.
Did not mention polarity point and maybe examples were not necessary but I like to visualize it is easier for me to understand and explain all doe they might be too specific.
Must say Pluto 1 and Pluto 2 are among my first few books on astrology and after reading them few times now still struggle with integrating all. Mostly because I am new to astrology altogether 😊but also with a way they were written. But I am here, Pluto entered my third house 😊! Thank you for the opportunity to learn, hope I did not get off the course.
Hi Deva and all,
This is my humble attempt to analyse Pluto in the 3rd house.
Pluto in the 3rd house or Gemini
The evolutionary intent of the Soul is to connect to the physical environment in order to expand the mind and intellect by collecting information, facts and data. The need is to understand the physical world and its laws and how it works and our relation to it. The emotional security for people with Pluto in the 3rd house has been linked to their logical thinking and abilities to analyse their environment and thus knowing themselves. The desire for emotional security has created a specific point of view, which causes intellectual limitations. As a result these people will experience intellectual conflicts and cataclysms after which a more inclusive point of view emerges.
People with Pluto in the 3rd need a lot of interaction with others in order to understand themselves, learn new information and adjust their ideas, meaning that more and more facts will be needed to explain further the world and their relationship to it. It is very likely that these people will feel they never know enough. The collected information and data become so large that they threaten to disintegrate since there is not one way in which to relate to all this collected data. These people chase one idea after the other, going in different directions in a compulsive way in order to find that missing piece of information that will bring everything to its right place.
The polarity point is the 9th house or Sagittarius. The evolutionary intent for this incarnation is to develop the intuition, which will bring an understanding of the deeper meaning of the collected information and the metaphysical laws that are the basis of the physical laws and the physical world. All the date will be synthesised into a composite understanding of how the parts relate to the whole. Developing the intuition will give awareness of knowledge that is not produced by the deductive way of thinking and one of the challenges for the people will be to silence their busy minds. One way to do this is to accept and align themselves with a metaphysical system that makes sense to them intuitively. This way they can create a consistent way of interpreting the world and as a result the mind will be harnessed and quieted.
Hi Julia,
Thank you for participating on this thread! Yes, what you have written is accurate. My suggestion is to add to your analysis focusing on the core desires of the past symbolized by Pluto in the 3rd house, and the natural "pick up" point in this life. For example, the deepest point of unconscious emotional security is linked with the Soul's pre existing mental foundation and the need to collect ever more facts, data, and information from the external environment. This is where the Soul has left off in prior to the current life and thus will be a natural point of gravitation in this life. What experiences might to the Soul unconsciously create with respect to the need to expand through intake of new information and the simultaneous need to maintain emotional security through the pre existing mental framework? Remember that Pluto correlates to habitual patterns that are creating stagnation and non-growth. Good work!
Hi Chocolate Astrologer,
Thank you for participating on this thread! What you have written is accurate. Remember that Pluto's polarity point symbolizes the Souls "next steps." As such, the 9th house symbolizes the current life's intentions rather than where the Soul will pick up in this life. The conflicting needs symbolized by Pluto in the 3rd house is the desire to sustain the existing mental foundation and the need to affect growth through collection of ever more information from the external environment as you have written. This is what "sets up" the current life's evolutionary intentions reflected by Pluto's polarity point. We will add the polarity point in the next step of the practice thread. Good work!
Hi Petrunjela,
Thank you for participating on this thread! Yes, it is the person's adaptability to changing or expanding upon the existing mental foundation that will determine how this process is experienced. In my view, this reflects the natural truth that we will have the choice to cooperate or resist making the necessary changes to affect growth and evolution beyond our current limitations. From my understanding Mercury reflects the Souls pre existing mental patterns, fixed or open (flexible), but not necessarily their ability to affect change. With respect to Pluto in the 3rd house unconscious emotional security is linked with the Souls current view points and mental framework which may create resistance towards absorbing new information that threatens or challenges that framework no matter what the natal position of Mercury. This reflects the desire to maintain the past due to the emotional security that it brings. Great job!
Hi Heart Symphony,
Thank you for posting on this thread. Yes, the core need to collect facts, information, and data from the environment can manifest through dialogues and interaction with others. This affects intellectual growth, and becomes a means for the Soul to emotionally process itself. The lesson within this is to learn what information to take in and which to leave out. In other words, the Soul must develop the ability to embrace view points and new information that challenges the existing mental structure, and to purge information that is rooted in opinion rather than fact. We discuss Pluto's polarity point in the next step of the practice chart. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
Thank you for your feedback. Much appreciated! â¤ï¸
Hi deva, thanks for sharing, I will like to participate if is possible.
The first image that come is that one of a library, where the Soul has accumulated al this knowledge that according to his view is going to save him, this is the precious treasure, from where pluto in the third is going to find whatever information is needed for him o for the environment, the big stress of this souls is that if don't have the data the knowledge the work is not finished, maybe I'm missing some information so I need to make bigger abd bigger this library. When this project of library of babilonia is finished I will get it, and help everyone to get whatever it may be. This could not necessarily being a library but whatever related to information, thought system and comunication. What is the problem? Has the Soul enough time to read the full library??? Obviously not, but he may desire it so strongly that come life after life to finishing the reading of the full library, just to see that in the opposite the library is getting bigger and bigger, no way. That's why this contraction expansion, at some point the Soul gets indigestion with all this knowledge, and needs to purge, refocus on what is important on the library. Instead of downloading all the books possible and finally not reading anyone
, just read whatever book the intuition points. For using a astrologer student example, he may know all the astrologers, but have not go deep into the work of anyone. Thats may be when the arrow of sagittarius helps, focus into this one as a basis, and then decorate it with the rest of it. Pluto in the third need to trust the intuition, despite they know that not always works, if you are in a race and you pass the second one, what is your new position? Probably your intuition will say first one!!! But the gemini thought knows that is wrong, second one is the answer. So we'll I guess is thing of Balance of left right brain. Relativity is venus, but it seems that gemini also knows that there are many ways to look upon a thing, thats probably one of the problems, of gemini pluto, he knows all the fingers pointing to the moon, but he may not see the moon yet. It maybe and artist lost in formalistic exhibition, a writer loss in playing with the language, but forgetting the essence of what they want to communicate. Lost in details. Because mercury is also a virgo issue. Both of them need to go to the essence to the point out instruction to get free from this infinite data and expansion contraction loop. In the same way sag need a gemini to say to him have you realize that the color of your truth is Deppending of your sunglasses. Come I will show you my collection of sunglasses.
There is also some things of the nature of the Soul and emotions that could be cover or hidden or repressed from the thought structure created by this souls.
One of the gemini jobs is to make us aware that concepts is what make our reality ( Maya) a hundred dollar bill, has one reality, but we project the concept into the reality, try to show a 100 dollar bill to a dog, it may be not interested on it. He may pee on it. Why? Because he has a different concept project it. Same reality but different concept. Now show to him a bone with flesh, what is the difference, why we disgusted with it and the dog happy? Same thing same reality different concept projected.
In Chinese there is a wonderful expresion... Shi Lun... Enjoying expanding our thoughts (gemini) through desires (pluto). Of course impossible to get peace that way. Ending of this process it's what we may call....real holidays.
Many more things can be said. But I feel it's enough for today. Thanks again deva, you are making great contribution.
Quote from: Deva on Jan 18, 2021, 06:22 PM
Pluto in the 3rd HousePluto in the natal 3rd house signifies an individual who has a focus on gathering a multiplicity of experience and information in order to understand themselves and the world around them. This focus has been, and will be, the bottom-line impulse on a soul level and inform all other dynamics present in their chart. The 3rd house Pluto signifies the evolutionary arena of the soul; the themes and archetypes the individual is learning about, as well as the unconscious desires, fixations, compulsions and their deepest emotional security needs which are rooted in the past.
These individuals are using their left-brain, rational and intellectual mind to understand and map out their immediate physical environment. They have a strong desire to gather information in order to create a rational network of facts that can help them explain the world and give them a sense of identity. They have a need to keep finding new facts in search for ever more encompassing and holistic models of understanding.
At the same time, there is a deep need for the emotional security that comes with a complete understanding of tangible reality; a need to find a system of understanding that is stable. A system into which all the collected facts and experiences fit. They are curious, however, because this dynamic is rooted in deep security needs, they will likely desire to be in control over the focus of their curiosity because their emotional security is linked to their intellectual understanding of reality.
No such stationary position of comprehension exists and the individual will, by the very nature of their desire for more data, sooner or later destabilise any system of understanding they create or subscribe to. If this destabilisation does not occur internally then it will occur externally through some form of confrontation. For example, an intellectual confrontation in relationship with another person where the individual is forced to deal with another perspective which doesn't fit into their way of understanding.
The 2nd house signifies a 'going within' to configure and stabilise one's sense of value in order to become self-contained. In the 3rd house there a 'going outward' occurs that is comparable to a spiral that unfurls itself in a constant way. A movement from a fixed sign into a mutable sign. The 3rd house individual is not to get fixated on any facts - as one may in the 2nd house - but to continue a process of expansion, through continuous experiencing and learning, in order to arrive at an awareness of the very nature of facts and ultimately of truth. As they go through cyclical construction and deconstruction of intellectual frameworks they will ultimately learn the limitations of the left-brain and factual knowledge; the never ending multiplicity of subjective truths on which no true, lasting security can be founded.
An individual in the consensus state of consciousness may tune in to a range of mainstream sources of interesting knowledge and trivia like radio, popular scientific journals and TV shows etc. - they may do well on the 'who wants to be a millionaire' show; able to answer many trivial questions based on what they have gathered. They would have the ability to master intellectual pursuits that are already established and accepted by the status quo. In the individuated state such a person would seek to pierce deeper with their minds to pioneer new discovery and communicate it to the world. The spiritual individual would seek knowledge and experiences that may help them understand the workings of, and their part in, the super-sensible world. They may ask what laws lie behind the make up of that which is visible to their eyes and solid to their hands.
Best,
Akim
Hello Deva, and all!
I would also like to follow this thread. Pluto has always been of particular interest to me. I particularly wonder about how it aspects the Sun and their dynamic, and how that shows up and plays out biographically.
Thank you for this!!
Best,
Danielle
HI Sunya,
Thank you for participating on this thread! Yes, emotional security with the ability to logically and rationally organize the physical world. This can create a habitual, or never ending, collection of facts, information, and data without a consistent reference or view point. As you wrote, the Soul can feel that there is a missing piece of information that can "put it all together" from an intellectual standpoint. In my view, this indicates the limitations of the pre existing mental framework reflected by Pluto in the 3rd house which "sets up" the current life's intentions symbolized by the 9th house polarity point. Yes, there is a natural need for diversity. Pluto in the 3rd house/Gemini emphasizes the natural principles that there are "many paths lead to the same place" so to speak.
The core lesson within this is to gain the ability to "deepen" the mental foundation by eliminating information that is rooted in opinion and only serves to validate the person's existing view points. In this way, the Soul creates a consistent "bottom line" for all the collected information to be referenced. The polarity point is the next step of the practice chart. Good work!
Hi Akim,
Thank you for participating on this thread! Yes, what you have written in accurate. The Soul will create the necessary experiences of mental implosion/explosion either through external or internal confrontation in order to affect evolution beyond the limitations of the current mental structure. As you have written, the need to re expand out into the environment through continual intake of information, facts and data exposes the Soul to new information that challenges its current view points. Yes, the evolutionary state of the Soul will determine what information is absorbed and what is left out. Great job!
Pluto in the 3rd House
The native is one with a detectives mind one of suspicion of everything beneath the surface, knowing to find the truth one must read between the lines. The third house Pluto is repelled by small talk and superficial conversations but will spend hours in deep thought and willing to dig deep into others.
The native would have an inner knowing and connection to a variety of information having the ability to store memories in somewhat of a file system within the mind with the ability to pull out what is needed on a moments notice and put information together that has been gathered throughout the life time. Because of this the native is drawn to many books, conversations and people at which information is gathered to the extent the native feels necessary before putting it down and going on to the new book, conversation, relationship or project.
The native would have been open to more conversation about themselves while young, eager to share ideas but over time would have become secretive as their expression and thoughts about topics and others that may have been intimidating and not believed or appreciated by others and may have been left to feel stupid or crazy as a result which leads to more study and gathering of information to feel secure.
These natives make excellent lawyers with an outstanding ability of deductive reasoning as well as writers and communicators as they have a deep understanding of others and the world of ideas. They make excellent council and outstanding spies along with conspiracy theorists.
They are of left brain function with an understanding of how the right brain works.
They are in constant need of information to feel secure in there own abilities and intelligence.
I'm new at this as this is my first attempt to analyze any house out loud.
Brave
HI Brave Crow,
Thank you for participating on this thread! What you have written is a description of Pluto in the 3rd house. Evolutionary Astrology focuses on understanding the "why" rather than descriptions. For example, think in terms of why the Soul choose Pluto in the 3rd house and the Soul's intentions. My suggestion is re-read what what others have written and then re-post.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
My intention was to explain the why instead of the description of behavior.
I will do as everyone else and write description of behavior.
Thank you
Brave
Hi All,
The next step of the practice chart is the South Node. The South Node symbolizes the prior life egocentric structure that the Soul created in order to consciously actualize the core desires and intentions reflected by natal Pluto. For sake of simple example, let's put the South Node in the 7th house.
The South Node in the 7th house indicates that the egocentric structure of the past is based upon the need to initiate relationships with others. This sets up exposer to different needs and values within relationships. This reflects the natural principle of relativity. As such, prior to the current life, the Soul has formed relationships with a diversity of others as a means to collect the necessary information, facts and data represented by Pluto in the 3rd house. In other words, the core need for intellectual development and expansion represented by natal Pluto has occurred through initiation of relationships. The pre-existing mental structure will be based upon the nature of information absorbed within these relationships.
The Soul will commonly have a natural ability to communicate with a diversity of others no matter how different their reality may be, and at best will advocate listening to others who have differing points view. The South Node in the 7th correlates with a prior life egocentric structure that is rooted in the need for equality, justice, and fair play.
The South Node in the 7th symbolizes that the Soul must learn to listen in such a way that it is able to identify reality as it exists for others, and not from its own subjective reality. In so doing, the individual will gain the ability to know what to give, and what not to give. It is through comparison and contrast with others within relationships that we define our own identity; who we are and who we are not and cannot be.
The Libra/7th house/Venus archetype reflect that a extreme has been reached, and the need to create balance relative to extremes. In the context of Pluto in the 3rd house, the Soul most commonly became dependent upon others in relationships as means to determine what information is true and what is false. The mental foundation has been structured around the viewpoints and information gathered from those with whom the individual has initiated relationships with prior to the current life. This creates clear limitations from an evolutionary point of view.
My suggestion is to read Pluto vol 1: Pluto in Libra/7th house to review the Libra/7th house/Venus archetype. Then, write out in your own words an example of the South Node in the 7th house in the context of how the core desires of the past symbolized by Pluto have been consciously actualized prior to the current life. Please post by Thursday next week.
Namaste,
Deva
If it's not too late to join I would love to be apart of this.
Hi Trace,
Yes, you are welcome to join!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and all,
This is my attempt to analyse South Node (SN) in the 7th house in relation to having Pluto in the 3rd:
With South Node in the 7th the ego identity that the Soul created in past lives to actualise the evolutionary intend of Pluto in the 3rd is one with a core need of interaction with diverse types of people in order to be exposed to different points of views, values and belief systems. Through discussions and interactions with others the person with Pluto in the 3rd understands themselves, learns new information, adjust their ideas and develop intellectually. With SN in the 7th the person had been learning to listen to others objectively and understand the other person's reality in order to determine how to relate with them.
This past life pattern can potentially create two different problems for the individual. On one hand, it can make the individual become too involved with too many relationships and thus taking in too many different points of view, ideas and values. As a result, there is the danger to lose sight of their own individuality becoming absorbed in the different realities of others. When this happens, the individual becomes compulsively dependent on the opinions or knowledge of others to determine who they truly are and what they should do with their life. They become dependent on others to decide what information and values to take in and what to leave out; they reach an extreme where they cannot decide this by themselves. Their mental foundation has been built upon the points of view, values, beliefs and ideas of the people that the SN in the 7th individual has been involved with in past lives.
On the other hand, the past life pattern of actualising the evolutionary intend through observing and objectively listening to the other's views and ideas in order to identify their reality, can make the individual very dominant upon the other. The SN in the 7th individual can potentially control emotionally the relationship and impose their ideas, values and beliefs on the other person. The other person's mental foundation has been potentially built upon the points of view, values, beliefs and ideas of the SN in the 7th individual. Doing so, the individual reaches another extreme of imbalance. The lessons of equality and balance were not learnt in the past.
Since the individual has had a lot of interactions with others in the past without learning the lessons of equality, balance and relativity of human nature and living through the two extremes of imbalance, they have built up karmic problems with many people. As a result, external and internal confrontations are very likely to occur to enforce the lessons of equality, objectivity and balance. These confrontations happen to enforce minimisation of dependency on another person for building up their mental foundation and intellectual expansion and learning to decide by themselves what is true and what is false, what to take in and what to leave out.
Hi all
Deva thank you for your observation on my last post.
This is mine interpretation of the south node in the 7th relative to Pluto in the 3th.
South node in the 7th house
7th house/ libra/ Venus archetype relates to a new evolutionary cycle of the soul that involves other people and forming relationships in order for the soul to learn balance, equality, relativity and listening.
Relative to the Pluto in the 3th house the soul has been forming relationship in previous lifetime that was helping to collect data about different value systems, objectivity-subjectivity.
Observing how the other person responds, thinks, talks. Experience of manipulating or being manipulated verbally, factually. Learning to conduct dialogue within different type of relationship and how to express oneself in different relationship dynamics. Learning confrontation, conditioning, wining, losing, dominance.
Depending of types of relationships the soul has made in previous lifetime is a foundation how this soul will catch up in this lifetime. What type of dynamic has the soul experienced will be starting point and a way in which the soul will start to collect data and expand intellectually.
While the soul starts to develop toward the north node and integration of PPP relationships will resemble the ones made in previous lifetime as well as a way the intellectual expansion data collecting will be.
Hi Heart Symphony,
Excellent work! Yes, the core intention is to minimize dependencies upon others as a means to determine what is true and false, and for development of the mental structure. I like that you included that the need to learn balance relative to the extremes signified by the SN in the 7th is true no matter what role the Soul played within relationships prior to current life. As an example, the Soul may always play "devils advocate" or habitually adjust their view points to those of with whom they are in a relationship with.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Petrunjela,
Great job! Yes, the Soul will initiate relationships with others in order to generate information, facts, and data. This creates mental expansion. The foundation of the mental structure is based upon the information collected from a diversity of others with whom the individual has initiated relationships with. This creates clear limitations in the ways previously described. The Soul will create the necessary life circumstances to facilitate its ongoing evolution. This will be discussed when we move to Pluto's polarity point, North Node, and its planetary ruler.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
To write this analysis right below I've read bits of the book Pluto I (the Pluto in Libra part), some parts of the EA Glossary (2016), and also some content that I find through research here on this site (threads on Libra/Venus archetype). But I wanna point out that the great part of it was trying that I did "on my own", trying to find examples myself, "out of intuition". Reading a bit and then giving my mind time to go on writing what would come to my mind throughout the day. I am well aware that some things could be absurdly wrong, though, since my acknowledgment of EA is still very elementary. So just go ahead and correct me when needed, don't fearing on being strict, haha.
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South Node in the 7th, relative to 3rd house PlutoThe signature represents a soul that has been learning the Pluto desires through the 7th house lenses - in other words, a soul that has been collecting information, learning and rationally understanding reality as they go on forming relationships, whether these social interactions were romantic oriented or not. Through these relationships, they have known how multiple are paths someone can follow, in their search for the truth - and how relative the sense of truth is. Limitation now lies, in the present life, in the feeling of not knowing which one of these paths is for themselves. The natural tendency, the Libra tendency, is to make the person to always go on adapting themselves, "mirroring" the ones they interact with. But the ones they interact with are always so different from one another, that one of the tendencies is to these relationships to just go on making this person progressively more and more lost in their search for the logical understanding of life.
This could have led some of them to some negative comportments, such as:
- Being dependent on the way of think of others, avoiding expressing themselves in certain ways due to it not being socially acceptable. (Deva, is this term, socially acceptable, connected to Libra? Or it would be more connected to Capricorn?)
- Acting out through one of the unhealthy facets of the Libra archetype, the "need to be needed" - an ego structure that learned to select which ways of communicating would work better in order to make people get dependent on them.
- Getting overly dependent on external tips and opinions of the people they formed relationships with, not following the path of their own instincts. Progressively, the constant repression of one own's instinctual nature for the sake of "being nice" coupled with the Gemini tendency to go on over-accumulate information could lead the Libra SN to a point in which they would lose sight of their sense of self, not knowing anymore what was their personal truth.
- A past life in which some relationships were left with "unfinished business", so to speak. People that haven't tried to understand what was the real opinion of their partners, regarding some aspects. Rather than asking, they may have chosen to just do and to act in ways the other person seemed to need. Libra projections, projections based on what seemed to be the more logical outcome (Gemini).
Hi Julia,
Great job! Yes, the need to collect information and data to affect mental expansion symbolized by the 3rd house Pluto has been meet through initiation of relationships with others. This is reflected by the South Node in the 7th house. The limitations that you pointed out are accurate, and where the Soul will "pick up" in this life. From my understanding, the 7th house may manifest as telling others what they want to hear in the context of expectations, or vice versa. Capricorn/10th house/Saturn archetype symbolizes the dynamic of social acceptability.
Namaste,
Deva
Hola Deva! Thanks so much for your being and offering. I find much value. Below find my description for the PPP in 9th house as well as my description for SN 7th house.
Pluto Polarity Point 9th House or Sagittarius
'Can't see the forest for the Trees'.
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Having incarnated Pluto in the 3rd house, whereas the individual vacillated between cycles of intellectual and emotional contraction and expansion through diverse intellectual investigations, the Pluto in the 3rd house individual realizes the intrinsic limitations of empirical understandings to deeper cosmological and ultimate 'Self' knowledge. Hence, the current evolutionary intention is to develop and rely upon one's own intuition instead of strictly gaining knowledge through the empirical, intellectual mind.
Craving a deeper understanding, the 3rd House Pluto intuits that synthesizing the intellectual facts with cosmological or metaphysical laws enhances one's understanding of physical laws, through a holistic paradigm which was unavailable through pure deductive processes. Understanding how the parts are related to the whole, allows the 3rd House Pluto a view of "Forest, For the trees". Through quieting the mind, the 3rd house Pluto individuals begin to open up and tune into their Intuition. For what is intuition but knowing what we know without knowing why we know it; it requires no forethought, nor deductive reasoning. This is a invigorating and empowering sensation for the 3rd house Pluto individual as it promises a deeper connection with the physical laws of Nature based on a higher cosmological or metaphysical experience. And it is this experiential nature of quieting the mind that invites the individual to delve deeper into the Intuitive facility which is naturally wired into Universal "truths." This subjective process uses inductive processes such as sensing, and feeling at a gut level. This subjective interpretation which in turn intuits its "truths" from its alignment with one holistic principle which the individual has harnessed. This alignment with a holistic composite gives deeper cosmological and metaphysical meaning to all the facts it has empirically acquired.
The 3rd house Pluto evolves through the 9th house or Sagittarius Pluto Polarity Point. Once the evolutionary lessons of the 9th house PPP are developed, these 3rd house Pluto individuals have the ability to understand the microcosm by understanding the macrocosm, and the delicate balance and difference between truth and facts. Furthermore, these individuals are unsurpassed in their ability to inspire and aid the metamorphous of others intellect and reality; the ability to help others to see the 'Forest for the Trees'.
South Node in 7th House or Sagittarius
The SN in the 7th house is how the Soul has consciously constructed the
"persona" through conscious interaction and in context to the social relationships formed with others over previous lifetimes. These ego representations of past life "personas" are ingrained and acted upon in the current life.
Being that a new evolutionary cycle has been initiated in prior lifetimes, and is still being evolved, South Node 7th house individuals have been learning, through a wide variety of relationships, how to objectively understand themselves in context to others. In essence, the SN in 7th individual is striving for balance, equilibrium, and equality. By initiating a wide variety of relationship extremes, the SN 7th house individual comes to objectively understand itself through comparing and contrasting itself with others, to identify who it
is, by comparison in relationship to others, of who it is
not. Through broad exposure to diverse values systems, intellectual systems, cultural and social stratification and religious and spiritual practices, these individuals come to understand their own intrinsic and unique "Self," and to equilibrate a sense of balance with others distinct from Self. This requires the intuitive skill of knowing oneself by knowing who one is
not, and has evolutionarily demanded that the SN 7th house individual learn how to listen to others, so that they can give to them what they
actually need, and not what they
think that others need. Evolutionary necessity require that these people learn objectivity, and not just act on their subjective interpretations.
Continual evolutionary necessity requires that SN 7th house persona learn how to participate in relationship through trail and error, and hence have a compelling need to be in a variety of relationships. Most SN 7th house persons have not completely learned this lesson, and often find themselves in unbalanced relationships of a variety of nature. Being thrown back on themselves, SN 7th house persona learn how to objectively listen in search for balance.
Being that Libra is about extremes, and learning balance, in a distorted form, the SN 7th person can become overly dependent on certain key people in its life, and abandon their own sense of individuality, opinions, morals or beliefs for the acceptance and consensus of others. This can even go to the extremity of an inability to be alone, or know themselves without the context to the significant others.
Hi deva, here some reflections on the exercise.
This soul is use to found all this thought systems that give him security in relationships with others, ultimately there is not such a thing as original thought and everything is connected and interraleted, so even the most original thought is made by words and language, we don't create by ourselves this language and words, we learn from others, one can feel very original because it has an anarchist ideology so different from his family, but.. He didn't create this ideology he learn it from others, a big chain of thoughts traveling from person to person from bakunin philosopher to him. We can extend all this to wathever thought, idea, concept etc, in a way we are just vehicles for this thoughts that we pick up from one relationship, we mix inside our psyche with others thoughts and then we transfer to another vehicle trought relationship, so here we have the full air trine, the thought gemini, the face to face transfer of the thought libra, the full net of all the transfers aquarius.
The beauty of libra is this opening to the world, and going beyond the self. In this context, in a way, this soul has renounce to his feeling of individual thoughts emptining his self in order to make space and be fulfilled with others, thoughts ideas, etc. Then he can expand beyond his individual limitations, he can compare, this person say this, that one say that, and then choose what he consider the right idea. In a way this person has the power to read peoples minds... Because is so use to listen others thoughts, that he may do it in a glimpse even before opening the mouth he already know what are you thinking, because pluto is the thing he desire more, south node seven hiuse he is very use to find it in others minds.
The natural expresion of this is the free flow of information from one being to another being in other to expand, share and make the basis for growth of all the beings involve in this sharing of information. The distorted energy it comes when the Soul compare himself with others, I'm better I'm worst I'm half better half worst. He is so intelligent I'm so stupid or viceversa. No one being is same of another one.
Previous to this life has initiated lots of relationships in order to gather information and make the so called library borrowing books from different persons.
Could be also the other way around and being this kind of person that others will look for when they need information. About wathever other aspects involve. So we may have that not only loves to collect info but also share it. Here in case of sharing there is rebalalancing of his system of thought through feedback, the individual thought that give inner security gemini aries, cancer could be shake it if is something not fully true by others feedback judgment. Sag libra capricorn
Learning when to give or recieve info and when not could be also a lesson. Not everyone ear is ready. I'm thinking in how medicine is base on poison and how what could be healing from some could damage others. Try to speak of 3rd stage issues to a 1st stage and you will see. Could harm his basis shake his world and attack back. And again we can be cut on this I'm best I'm worst than you. Try to explain to some that his life is an illusion you may finish with a punch in your eye. So This sensitivity to others is libra power. Anyway if you get angry in arguing maybe is not a good idea to start debate with this souls, the will read your mind, find the weak point, check in his database the opossite idea they learn from who knows, and expose to you, just for the shake of playing with language, and relativity cult.
Coming back to collect info.
In doing so, he will have to confront the balance issue, this person say this this person say that, this opinion fully white, this opinion fully black, this theory is against this one, this is Ying this is yang.... Oh my goodness how to bring peace to all this concepts arguing one against the other, who is right??? Is Jhon ideas the right one or is Mary thoughts the way?? Balance please balance, that's the libra thing. So libra + gemini = doubts, doubts and more doubt.to many option could lead to paralise.
So how to find balance??? So this maybe the content of a future exercise... But obyously by polarities... Sag, aries..
All the best
Sunya
Hi Chocolate Astrologer,
Great job! The South Node in the 7th house reflects that the Soul has created a prior life egocentric structure that is based upon the need to initiate relationships with others, and to balance extremes. Equality, justice, and fair play are emphasized. The Soul created this egocentric structure in order to consciously actualize the core desires of the past symbolized by Pluto in the 3rd house. In essence, the Soul has formed relationships with many others in order to collect information, data, facts. These relationships have served to shape the individuals mental structure.
Yes, the limitations you wrote are accurate. The Soul must eliminate dependencies on others to know what is true and not, or attempt to form their views based upon the information given from others, or vice versa. The polarity point and North Node will be discussed as we continue with this practice chart.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Sunya,
Good work! Yes, the South Node in the 7th house reflects that prior to the current life the Soul has used relationships with others as means to collect information and affect mental expansion. The need to listen to others to identify reality as it exists for them is essential. In this way, the Soul is learning the relativity of values, beliefs, etc within relationships. By doing so, the individual knows what to give and what not.
As you wrote, the need to balance extremes is signified. In my view, one way this can manifest is through listening and communicating with others in such a way as to promote equality of differing voices or view points no matter how different the viewpoints may be. The polarity point, etc will be discussed as we continue with this practice chart.
Namaste,
Deva
Hello everyone, Deva,
Pluto in the 3rd House & South node in the 7th House
The archetype of the 7th House has been the foundation of the prior life ego-structure through which this Soul has worked to manifest the Soul's evolutionary core-desires and intentions, which are signified by Pluto's position in the 3rd House. The 7th house/Libra/Venus archetype initiates relationships in order to know itself. Its expression ranges from the negative extreme of co-dependence - enmeshment and loss of a sense of self through relationship - to the positive qualities of true listening; the empathy of being able to 'walk in another's shoes' by developing an understanding of another's reality.
This individual will have had the desire to engage with many people on an intellectual level and with an amiable curiosity. They may have had the ability to naturally appreciate the duality of any argument, understanding both sides and the vast ocean that is the multiplicity of personal truths. They will have learnt, and be learning, lessons about losing themselves in relationships, especially when it comes to their sense of identity - which for them is linked to their intellectual conceptualisations (3rd house) - perhaps having difficulty to hold onto their own convictions when faced with opposition by the opinions of others. The idea's that they had felt were solid may suddenly lose weight and depth and appear flimsy; so relative beside the ideas of others. They may have been extremely dependant on the ideas of others in the past, finding their sense of reality or identity in the opinions of others. They may have not been able to be honest in relationships - not able to find and express the ideas that would give a solid definition of who they are, not knowing who they are and therefore jumping from relationship to relationship to avoid the confrontation of going deeper with someone. Such a 'going deeper' would feel uncomfortable for them if they had not already worked on gaining a strong enough sense of themselves in order not to keep shape-shifting with every new experience.
The 'flip-side' of the coin would be an imbalance in the other direction. They may have a compulsion to BE right, and to forcefully engage with others in a manner as to prove their own truth as fact. Relative to their 3rd house Pluto they would likely have skill in communicating their view in a convincing way, and, relative to the 7th house S. node, they could be able to do this with a diplomacy and charm coming from an ability to understand anothers view.
Such a Soul has the capacity to be highly understanding of, and sensitive to, the unique reality of another individual on an intellectual level. They would be able to listen empathetically and with a genuine curiosity to another, allowing them to be as they are. Because the opportunity is to comprehend that there are as many versions of reality as there are individual Souls. And that every Soul has a right to their own. That this is part of the natural dignity of a Soul. Everyone has the right to have their ideas be heard. For this understanding to grow the individual would have to first treat themselves in this way. They would do this by developing an intellectual framework within themselves that has enough stability in order to give them a grounded sense of their own identity while still maintaining the openness required to welcome the reality of another with honest curiosity and acceptance.
Thank you again for the opportunity to practice and learn together.
Best, Akim
Hi Akim,
Great job! What you have written is accurate and describes how the core desire/intentions of past have been consciously actualize prior to the current life in the context of the South Node in the 7th house. I like that you included how the Soul could potentially manifest both extremes within relationships; either intellectually dominate towards others, or subservient to others points of view. As you wrote, the South Node in the 7th house signifies that that need to learn balance relative to these extremes applies in both situations.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step of the practice thread is the planetary ruler of the South Node. The planetary ruler of the South Node symbolizes how the South Node has been consciously actualized prior to the current life. Just as Pluto has "used" the South Node to actualize itself, so to does the South Node "use" the planetary ruler to actualize itself. For sake of simple example, let's put the planetary ruler in the 8th house.
The planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house signifies that prior to the current life the Soul has desired to confront and evolve past pre existing limitations. In the context of the South Node in the 7th house, relationships have become a means to affect growth, and to collect necessary psychological information to transmute limitations. In essence, the Soul will use psychological knowledge to communicate with others and to evaluate through comparison and contrast those with whom the Soul has chosen to be in relationship with. The Soul desires to create a "bottom line" understanding of the all the information collected within the relationships that have been initiate with others. The limitations previously described are emphasized as the 8th house/Scorpio/Pluto archetype symbolizes the need to metamorphous beyond current areas of blockage and stagnation.
As such, the Soul most commonly comes into the current life with a great deal of psychological knowledge, and an ability to understand another's "core," or "bottom line" way of thinking. This is symbolized by the Pluto in the 3rd house, the South Node in 7th house, and planetary ruler in the 8th house. In addition, the Soul will attract the necessary confrontations within relationships to expose its pre existing intellectual limitations. This can occur internally or externally.
Positively responded to, this experience can be used to promote the intended growth and result in a deeper understanding of the Soul itself and others in general. Negatively responded to, the Soul can resist this evolution and maintain the mental structure and relationship patterns of the past. This may manifest as habitually using another person's weakest psychological link for manipulative purposes, or seeking out others within relationships who seem to posses a psychological knowledge that they do not have.
My suggestion is to read Pluto in Scorpio/8th house in the Pluto vol. 1 book to review the Pluto/Scorpio/8th house archetype. Then, write out in your own words an example of how the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th has been used to actualize the South Node in the 7th house prior to the current life. Please post by next Tuesday.
Namaste,
Deva
Wow, I'm looking forward to do my try on this! This part in which you, Deva, explained that we have to think in the South Node ruler being "used" by the SN itself just like Pluto has "used" the SN was a good, easy way to put it.
Hi everybody,
South node ruler in the eight house and conscious actualisation of the south node for Pluto purposes
Scorpio 8th house shows the intellectual, emotional, spiritual, physical limitations.
Scorpio archetype relates to taboo, sex, money, power, rituals, death, deep, dark strong forces. desire to merge, experience, feel trough those types of experience.
There is compulsive desire toward those experiences which is important to learn how to canalize.
Personal security and boundaries made in order to maintain that security can be blockage for growth. Confronting our limitations produce inner psychoanalysis, searching for answers to all the fundamental questions in order to understand itself, the world other people.
Relating to other people in order to gather the data ( Pluto 3th ) soul is searching for partners that as well are limited with their own security boundaries. Through psychoanalysis, soul is trying to understand those dynamics analyzing itself in the process.
There is a power in play that this soul gets by attracting people who want to be helped which puts them in position of power which they can easily make use of in a negative expression. If used positively they can encourage and motivate others to make change in a positive direction and help remove negative patterns.
in 8th house there is a desire to direct experience with symbol of transformative power- sensation and experience- merge penetrate an unite with that symbol.
Learning to choose those people who resonate with their needs, desires, karma, emotions and soul.
The soul in previous lifetime gathered and collected data ( Pluto 3 th ) by forming relationship with people ( SON 7th) learning balance, relating and equality . Type of relationship and experiences are described by position of the SON ruler in the 8th. Soul is drawn to people with who will have direct experience with a symbol of power. Deep transformative experiences - strong needs and desires struggling with personal security and powerlessness. Boundaries and pushing them or breaking them in order to transform. Power dynamics of psychological manipulation can occure by the soul or be imposed to the soul. Strong emotional responses, hard psychological struggles. Soul in this life time will have natural ability to understand and help others or manipulate them with that knowledge in order to gain information and collect the information their soul desires to evolve.
Hi Petrunjela,
Great job! Yes, the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house symbolizes that prior to the current life the Soul has collected psychological knowledge within relationships that have initiated with others in the context of the South Node in the 7th house. This has becomes a means to deepen the Soul's understanding of itself and others, and to evaluate anther's "bottom line" way of thinking. As you referenced, the Soul may play out either extreme of habitually manipulating others with its psychological knowledge, or seek out others to gain psychological awareness. In both cases, the intention reflected by the planetary ruler in the 8th house is to confront and evolve beyond the limitations within the pre existing mental structure and relationships.
Namaste,
Deva
Deva
South node in the 7th House & South node ruler in the 8th House
I've been struggling a little to carry on with the next step as I have realised that I have been confused about the real, foundational principles of the Pluto Paradigm - I must study these more to internalise them. (I will however carry on, letting go of the need for perfection, knowing that to make mistakes is the best way to learn).
For example I had more or less forgotten the fact that Pluto/the desires of the soul operate from an unconscious level... Assuming that I myself am consciously aware of and operating from the level of my soul rather than my ego, because I have been studying my signature. Also I was speaking to someone about their pluto position and sort of expecting them to acknowledge that the themes signified are the bottom-line driving their life. Of course it would be a rare case for them to be conscious of this. And myself also - I think I have been assuming too much conscious awareness of my soul.
So "¦ would the individual instinctually think of themselves in the way the south node describes..? Because it correlates to self-image right.. or would they consciously look to the qualities of the south node as an ideal? In this case 'I am someone who ____insert 7th house south node archetype____ or I need to be in relationship, or I need affirmation from another in order to know myself, I need my questions answered by others.. and so on. Meanwhile the cause of these thoughts and images about self are informed by Pluto/the souls underlying desires.
I am thinking of my own placements with my Pluto in the 7th house. Through my limited personal work informed by EA I have come to realise that there is a lot of unconscious material around relationship with others that drives my behaviours on a deep level - "what do I have to do for this relationship thing to work - and how does it work?" Glimpses.. and then the unconscious behaviour that is often only realised consciously when I am confronted in relationship with others; when there is a mirror held up to me.
I guess it is becoming clearer for me as I express my thoughts in writing. I just find it confusing how our studies here relate to reading another persons chart (or even my own) and how to find the level of communication that will be relatable to another person - or the entry point where I can find these archetypes in my conscious experience and thereby map them. I realise that mentioning Pluto and its position will most likely not be very relatable as it is an unconscious force.
As far as the ruler of either node is concerned I find it confusing how to language the analysis as different planetary functions would imply quite diverse qualities. How do I find and express the essential information that can be said for any planetary ruler in a given house regardless of the planets quality? Mars in the 8th house ruling the South node in the 7th would maybe imply an active and willful drive to initiate deep connection with others, perhaps through sexual relationship or by penetrating their psychology and inner world. Replaced by Venus the individual would maybe attract individuals who are powerful and deep, for better or for worse, and help them understand themselves and others better through exposure to deep psychology and the dynamics of power, trust and their misuse, merging and so on. In both cases the bottom-line why; the desire of the soul signified by the 3rd House Pluto would be to establish an intellectual understanding of reality that encompasses all the gathered information.
But even here.. the 7th house correlates to initiating relationships, as a cardinal house.. so if the south node here is ruled by Venus then would not the individual still be initiating relationships.. would it just be that Mars would facilitate going out and finding the 8th house experience whereas Venus would signify 8th house experience being drawn towards the individual. Is this along the right lines?
A couple more questions regarding things you've stated:
Deva you say that "The planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house signifies that prior to the current life the Soul has desired to confront and evolve past pre existing limitations."
Why are you linking the souls desire to the planetary ruler of the South node? Does the souls desire emanating from Pluto's position go all the way through this 'trinity of the past'? Is desire the factor that drives each of these layers? i.e. 1. The desire to find the bottom-line intellectual understanding of all information gathered (the souls core desire) 2. was in previous lifetimes actualised by the desire to initiate many relationships (ego structure used in the past) 3. and this was facilitated by the desire to confront personal limitations (planetary function facilitating the ego structure of the past).. in the case of the planetary ruler of the South node - the ruler does not have a desire of its own, it is the third degree agent of the bottom-line desire which is signified by Pluto. Is that along the right line?
As far as conscious awareness goes, would a person be aware of the second and third degree desire thats driving them? Or does that depend on the level of awareness the individual has; the level of self reflection. In other words would this individual be aware of a desire in themselves to confront their personal limitations (8th)? And also aware of the the desire to initiate many relationships (7th)? "¦ I suppose it would be linked with the evolutionary state of the individual, right? That a consensus state individual would by definition not have the self awareness..
Deva you say: "As such, the Soul most commonly comes into the current life with a great deal of psychological knowledge, and an ability to understand another's "core," or "bottom line" way of thinking." How do you get to that point of analysis? Is the "psychological 'knowledge'" and "bottom-line way of 'thinking'" part of the analysis based on the 3rd House archetype part of the signature? And the "psychological" an "bottom-line" part of the wording based on the S.node ruler being in the 8th house?
I understand you might not have the time to go into all of this... and I'm sure that I would be able to answer many of these questions by further study of the principles. However I find it helpful to express my thinking rather than trying to come up with an analysis half-blind by ignorance.
Best, Akim
Hi Deva and everybody,
This is my attempt to interpret the ruler of the South Node in the 8th house.
Ruler of the South Node in the 8th (in relation to SN in the 7th and Pluto in the 3rd)
The ruler of SN in the 8th shows that the soul has had the desire to transform and evolve past the existing personal limitations. Those limitations would have intellectual/mental nature due to Pluto in the 3rd. Since the SN is in the 7th, this means that these limitations have been transformed and overcome through participating in relationships with others. The person will have an excellent psychological understanding of the people they relate with and this psychological knowledge will be used in communication. Through psychoanalysis in relating to others (SN ruler in the 8th and SN in the 7th), the person understands themselves, learns new information, adjust their ideas, and develop intellectually (Pluto in the 3rd).
In the analysis of SN in the 7th in relation to Pluto in the 3rd, we discussed the two potential extremes that the person has lived prior to this life. The ruler of the SN being in the 8th gives further information about these two extreme imbalances.
1) The SN ruler being the 8th house, the house of intimacy and merging, with SN in the 7th, this dynamic emphasizes the danger of losing sight of their own individuality and becoming absorbed in the different realities of others through merging with them in a deep level. The person cannot see where they end and where their partner begins, so to speak (SN ruler in the 8th - merging). When this happens, the individual becomes compulsively dependent on the opinions or knowledge of others to determine who they truly are and what they should do with their life. They become dependent on others to decide what information and values to take in and what to leave out; they reach an extreme where they cannot decide this by themselves (SN in the 7th in relation to Pluto in the 3rd). The pre-existing intellectual limitations have not been transformed this way and the lessons of equality and balance - not learnt.
2) On the other hand, the past life pattern of actualising the evolutionary intend through observing and objectively listening to the other's views and ideas in order to identify their reality (SN in the 7th, Pluto in the 3rd), can make the individual very dominant upon the other through the natural psychological knowledge the individual has and chose (consciously or unconsciously) to express negatively via manipulation, passive aggression, etc. (SN ruler in the 8th). The other person's mental foundation has been potentially built upon the points of view, values, beliefs, and ideas of the SN in the 7th individual (SN in the 7th, Pluto in the 3rd). Again, the intellectual limitations have not been transformed and the lessons of equality and balance - not learnt.
In the current life, the core need for transformation and evolving past the intellectual limitations would manifest through different internal and external confrontations within relationships. The way in which the individual responds to these confrontations and the way they use their natural psychological knowledge will determine if this will lead to growth, mutual empowerment, and deeper understanding of the soul itself and others or will stubbornly maintain their limited mental structure and the existing relationship patterns from past lives.
Hi Deva,
At this time it was a bit more difficult for me because i'm still giving my first steps in understanding the SN and its ruler, so maybe in this message my examples ended up being a bit more simple than in my other messages. Once again I tried to elaborate on some examples.
South Node 7th, SN ruler in the 8th - relative to Pluto in the 3rdIn past lives, the individual with the ruler of the SN in the 8th/Scorpio felt the need to merge with everything that represented a path to go beyond their perceived limitations. This merging had occurred through relationships (7th house), and through these relationships, they slowly evolved by metaphorsing their way of think (Pluto in the 3rd). They wanted to understand reality by becoming a part of the other (8th ruler).
- Oneself could have started relationships (7th) motivated just by the desire to gather information (3rd) on how the psychological structure of people work (8th).
- Oneself could have formed a great number of short-term (3rd) relationships (7th) along one's lifetime, keeping in each one just till achieving their goal to go beyond their limitations. After the achievement, the bonds could have been perceived as stagnant (8th). Yet, one's could have tapped into the Libra codependency and avoided letting go, for diverse reasons.
- Oneself could have been a therapist, a psychologist, someone that guided people to understand their relationship dynamics, using the acknowledgment achieved on how the psychological structure of human beings work - and its multiple ways to perceive reality.
Very pertinent questions, Akim. I'm pretty sure many of us, beginners, share some of your doubts.
Hi Akim,
Yes, the value is the in effort! The 8th house/Pluto/Scorpio archetype symbolizes the need to confront pre existing limitations to transmute, or grow beyond, them. It correlates to the principle of evolution. As such, in this example where the planetary ruler of the South Node is in the 8th house the intention is to expose the Soul's pre existing limitations within relationships, and mental foundation. This is symbolized by Pluto in the 3rd house, South Node in the 7th house, in the context of the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house.
In my view, the challenge of chart interpretation is synthesis, i.e, how Pluto relates to the South Node, and how the South Node relates to its planetary ruler as we have discussed. My suggestion is to refer the planetary ruler of the South Node back to the South Node in the context of how the South Node was developed prior to the current life just as you did in the previous example of the how the South Node in the 7th house was used to consciously actualize Pluto in the 3rd house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Heart Symphony,
Great job! Yes, in both cases, the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house symbolizes the Soul will create the necessary confrontations to expose the limitations in its relationship patterns and mental structure. Psychological knowledge can be applied positively to evolve past these limitations, or negatively to manipulate others and maintain past patterns.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Julia,
Great job! Yes, merging with others in relationships to gain psychological knowledge of oneself and others is signified by the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house. This is how the South Node was consciously actualized prior to the current life. In my view, a core dynamic symbolized by this natal signature is how this psychological knowledge is being used by the Soul. The 8th house/Pluto/Scorpio archetype symbolized experiences of power/powerlessness. The Soul may use this knowledge to help others grow beyond their limitations, i.e to empower oneself and others. Conversely, the Soul may use this knowledge to manipulate others and resist the intended growth.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Julia, thank you for letting me know that it is relatable! The principles are quite simple.. but the way they can manifest in combination is infinite and at the beginner stage its easy to get lost after even the second layer of application.
And thank you Deva, for encouragement and further clarification!
The Souls pre-existing desire to know themselves and reality through gathering experiences and information about the world around them and consolidating these into intellectual knowledge (3rd House) was consciously actualised in the past by initiating many relationships where they could learn through comparison and by listening to the reality of others (7th House).
The ruler of the South Node is in the 8th House and shows the way in which the mode of operation, signified by the South Node, has been developed in the past. The 8th House symbolises the need to confront and regenerate existing limitations. So the soul would have been exposed to relationships (7th House) that challenged the core of their pre-existing ideas and the limitations (8th House) implied by their pre-existing intellectual structures (3rd House).
The 7th House South Node may have manifested as a need to know things through, or from, another's point of view; to become dependent on the intellectual validation of others; to become lost in the multiplicity and relativity of the all the different points of view that others have.
The other extreme, as implied by the 7th House archetype, may manifest as the Soul using the ability to understand another persons reality as a way to convince the other, through intellectual argument (3rd House), that their way of seeing reality is correct. Instead of becoming dependent on the validation of others points of view, the individual would use their intellect to convert others who would then become dependent on them for intellectual understanding (3rd House).
In the first scenario the South Node ruler in the 8th House may manifest in the Soul initiating relationships with people who have are more intellectually powerful (8th House) than the individual themselves, forcing them to the limits of their understanding and introducing information that breaks down the core of their pre-existing conceptions. It could also correlate to them delving into the deeper psychology of themselves and/or their relationships by osmosing deeply with another.
In the second scenario the Soul may have the ability to understand the psychology of another and use this information in a way as to manipulate or convince others of their position.
The Soul may come in to this life with a natural understanding of psychological knowledge and how it applies to relationships. The psychology of relationships. How to be diplomatic. They could also carry wounds relating to the misuse of power in relationships - as a victim or a perpetrator of psychological manipulation of the mind of other people.
With love,
Akim
Hi Akim,
Great job! Yes, what you have written in accurate. The planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house symbolizes that prior to the current life the South Node in the 7th house was developed through intake of psychological knowledge, and purging limitations with respect to its pre existing mental foundation and relationship patterns. As you stated, the intention is to grow beyond these patterns through creating the necessary internal or external confrontations no matter which role the Soul has played within relationships.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi deva,
I tried to post yesterday but here in myanmar the army turn on and off internet. This thing of aquarius/capricorn relative to moon nodes is everywhere.
Any way.
In a way with the ruler in the 8th is a bigger emphasis in the movement from the self to the other started in the 7th, if in the 7th the individual start to loss himself through relationship and openness to the other now adding the 8th house this is supermultiply, the self dies totally in order to go beyond. This is le petite Mort, the relationship between death and love, in order to receive one need to empty his hands.
There is this story of John being the lover of Mary, John visit the house of Mary, knock the door,
-mary: who are you.
-jhon: I'm John. (1st house rule by second)
-mary: I don't know you, go away
Knock again
mary: who are you.
-jhon: I'm John. (1st house rule by second)
-mary: I don't know you, go away
Finally knock again
mary: who are you.
-jhon: I'm mary. (seventh rule by eight )
The door open.
It is also the example of the disciple, that Remain silence without trying to prove anything to the master. Let the master speaks and try to absorb everything he can.
Great 8th house example is Picasso, he never paint any original in his life but just focusing in what ever, cezzane, Juan gris or other painter do, he was able to absorb very fast and do the same thing in a better way.
If taurus is everything about your well, scorpio is about other wells.
Puting together pluto, South, and ruler
As mentioned before this 3rd exercise put more weight into many of the patterns already mention in the second. So maybe I skip some of the ideas already explained before.
Of course there are many images, but the one that is coming now to my mind, is a student starting Sexual relationship with his/ her university teacher. Or with some other student after a study group. Seduce by thoughts.
Or if we want to continue with the example of the library, in the 1st exercise we discover the library, in the 2nd we notice that was made of borrowed books from others now in the 3rd our character has move beyond the books and met the writers initiating deeply relationships, Sexualy or not.
So all this people has been very aware of his self limitations (taurus) in regard to his thought systems and psyche , this induce inner reflection and a desire to unite with what they lack. The emotional security is bring by though systems, that they find in relationships, where they fuse withe the other, and the way they, improve, adquiere his ideas has been thorough all this relationships where they mutate their own thoughts and by osmosis absorb others people ideas and make it their own. They become the other psyche and thoughts so to say.
This could be a soul that has been jumping from one psique to another, in this process they jump---> attache (thr attachment time could change from small period to even lifetimes) --->reflect this thought system/perspective/mind/psyche I'm attached start to feel limited and constricted---> jump again. Yeah that's is the Soul hamster wheel!!!!
in the way he has learn a lot because of his openness and collected data, but he may loss a reference point of gravity, where the inertia is jumping from one mind to another mind, moved by the desire for ideas but with any self true as an axis of all this movement. And a deep fear of standing by his own intuition, this seeking of all kind of ideas, in others could be a never ending journey, this people is unable to find inner security before absorbing all the external thought systems in the galaxy, then they will feel ready to look to the inner truth. But this moment will be probably impossible to arrive, because they will always find a new teacher, a new theory, a new symbol, a new psyche to absorb. that probably will only end in the moment they realize that this thing they seek is already in themselves, and it may not be another concept.
Thanks deva,
HI Sunya,
Thank you for participating on this thread! Yes, the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house will desire to absorb psychological knowledge from those with whom they have initiated relationships with. This is intended to induce a growth beyond limitations within the pre existing mental structure and relationship patterns. In other words, the Soul develops a deeper understanding of itself and others through the in take of psychological knowledge. My suggestions is to focus only on the archetypes and core intentions, i.e the "why," reflected within the natal signature as we continue to build upon the practice chart to help synthesize each step of the chart.
Namaste,
Deva
The next step of the practice thread is to add the sign to the natal Pluto. Remember that the sign "conditions" the house. In our example chart, Pluto is in the 3rd house. To continue with our practice chart, let's put Pluto in the sign of Virgo.
The underlying archetype of Virgo is the expand the Soul's consciousness beyond the tip of it's nose: to begin to open up to the entire world in which it lives. Thus the awareness of the "˜other' begins. As a result, Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house symbolizes that the information, facts, and information that the Soul collects from the external environment will revolve around the need for self-improvement, self-perfection, and the need to serve the whole. In essence, the Soul will use the information that is absorbed to affect self-improvement and to serve others in some way.: the "˜work' archetype inherent to Virgo.
In addition, an intense analysis of the pre-existing mental foundation is reflected by this natal Pluto. For example, the Soul may habitually focus on the imperfections, deficiencies and lacks within its own thinking, and method of communication with others. Mental discrimination is emphasized in the context of purging information that is based upon opinions versus actual facts.
Specifically, the Soul may take in information that re-inforces an underlying sense of inferiority, lack, and doubt: the Soul feels it does not know enough. For instance, the individual may forever create excuses and rationalizations as to why they are not ready to do what they know they need to do and are capable of doing. This has the affect of undermining the intention to self-improve through intellectual expansion, and purging outdated mental patterns.
This could also manifest as communicating with others in an overly critical way, and habitually focusing on the short comings and lacks within the environment. As a result, the Soul may experience rejection and criticism of their ideas which has the evolutionary intent of forcing a critical self examination leading to self knowledge.
Positively responded, to the creation of crisis leads to self knowledge. For instance, the Soul can use the criticism from others to adjust the manner in which it communicates with others. In so doing, the Soul's natural ability to help others improve their life conditions and the overall environment through the information that is shared will manifest. Negatively responded to, the individual will sustain mental patterns of victimization, and use the criticism and rejection from others as rationalizations to resist the necessary changes, or intensifying the inner thought that it does not know enough.
The bottom line in this archetype, and the evolutionary reason or intention for the Soul choosing it, is to learn the difference in knowledge that it seeks about the world, itself, or others between what is actually real, and that which is not. To discriminate through critical analysis the difference between the two so as to build a logical intellectual structure that explains the nature of the physical environment in which it inhabits.
My suggestion is to read Pluto in Virgo/6th house in the Pluto vol 1 book and then write out in your own words how adding the sign Virgo will condition Pluto in the 3rd house. Please post by next Thursday.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and all,
This is my attempt to analyse Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house.
Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house
Pluto in Virgo indicates a soul that has intended to learn the lessons of personal sacrifice to the whole, humility, and self-improvement. This has been achieved through introspection and self-analysis. Since Pluto is in the 3rd house, the information and the facts that the soul collects from the environment in order to understand better itself will be in tune with the evolutionary lessons of self-improvement, the need to serve the whole sometimes through personal sacrifice and self-perfection. The mind is powerful and used for identifying any part of the nature of the individual that is not "good enough" or "perfect". This can be done in such a merciless way that the individual can become their worst enemy. The individual would feel they never know enough and they are never good enough. With Pluto in the 3rd house, those parts of the individual will be of mental and intellectual nature. The mental foundation will be examined periodically with the intent of eliminating any ideas, beliefs, and methods for communication that prevent further growth.
In order for this to be achieved, the soul would create crises - situations/dynamics in which the individual would communicate and act in a very critical way towards others with whom they have some relations. The shortcomings and lack of perfection in others will be negatively expressed and communicated. Another possibility is to be critical of the work conditions and/or the essence of the job that the individual has to serve the whole. The individual would use their strong mind and collected information and data to find ways of improvement of those "imperfect" conditions. Very likely their ideas would be communicated in critical ways which would threaten the emotional security of co-workers thus their ideas of improvement would be rejected. This rejection aims to force the individual to serve within the work conditions potentially learning the lesson of humility and re-examining their mental patterns and the manner of communication with others. As a result of this rejection and criticism of their ideas, the individual would be forced to critically evaluate themselves using self-analysis that would lead to self-knowledge.
The way in which the individual responds to those crises is essential for evolutionary growth. If the individual uses the criticism they receive from others in a positive way, then they would adjust their methods of communication with others. Doing so, the proper sharing of collected information would take place, self-improvement and self-adjustment would occur. Purging of outdated mental patterns and manners of communication would take place.
If the individual responds in a negative way, then they would project and blame others for the wrongs that have happened to them. The individual would feel victimised by the environment, others, and the nature of their circumstances. A feeling of guilt would emerge due to the inability to actualise their new ideas for improvement of the environment because the individual would feel that they should have done so. The self-analysis would bring a compulsive need for continual self-criticism feeling intensely that they don't know enough. The necessary changes are resisted and the lessons not learnt.
Hi everybody,
PLuto in the 3th house in Virgo
Learning the evolutionary lesson of service, humility, self-improvement, intense self-analysis ( Virgo) through gathering, collecting, communicating data (3th ).
Introspection in work related function, (8th house experiences could be related to work relationships- relation to superior, colleague, or being a superior to employee, or in any day to day activity that relate to service)
Virgo relates to guilt conscious or unconscious- flaws, shortcomings inadequacies, self-doubt, never ready or good enough- victimization. (3th house collecting data could relate to getting the evidences that enhance that guilt) or it could be transferred onto the other in relationship (power games related to 8th house ruler position).
Self-punishing criticism can bring the individual in a state without action - loss of perspective- state of crisis. Avoiding reality leads to wasting time in meaningless activities- getting into being criticized by others which leads to isolation and self-pity.
Personal avoidance in other extreme is in creating too many obligations. busyness. not having time for oneself. Getting busy writing, reading, surfing the web, chatting, educating, learning"¦ ( 3th house).
For the soul in the 3th house Virgo with SNO7 and its ruler in the 8th is important to be active, not be defeated by setbacks and doubt, have constructive criticism, find balance in relation to the other and use wisdom of psychoanalysis to have compassion for oneself and the other.
Hi Heart Symphony,
Great job! Pluto in Virgo/3rd house house symbolizes that the intention to discern what information is rooted in actual reality and which is not. In this way, mental discernment is learned. In addition, adjustment relative to outdated mental patterns occurs. The way in which the Soul communicates with others will naturally reflect this process. As you wrote, self knowledge will be gained if the Soul responds positively to crisis. The necessary self adjustments and improvements will then take hold.
Yes, Pluto in Virgo/3rd house symbolizes that an unconscious guilt may be experienced with respect to an inability or failure to communicate ideas that could help others improvement their life conditions prior to the current life. In a positive expression, a critical self-analysis of what inner adjustments need to be made in order for others to be able to receive the information that the Souls intends to communicate can then take place. In a negative expression, the Soul will sustain a victimized mentality or mind set towards the overall environment. This would then have the effect of reinforcing or intensifying the guilt; or the feeling that the Soul has in some way "copped out" on itself.
Hi Petrunjela,
Great job! Yes, the Soul will collect information that is centered on self-improvement, adjustment, and service to the whole. The intention is to discern which information collected is based in actual reality, and which not. Most commonly this takes place through intense critical self-analysis. Mental discernment is learned in this way.
As you wrote, the Soul may choose to absorb information that reinforces an underlying sense of inferiority and lack; magnifies the thought the Soul does not know enough. This can lead to a mentality of defeatism, and undermines the Soul's natural ability to communicate information that can help others improve their life conditions in some way. Mental discernment can be used to purge these outdated mental patterns, and take in information that can affect self-improvement and adjustment. In this way, paralysis and avoidance can be overcome.
Namaste,
Deva
Hola Deva! Last week got away from me! Here is my interpretation of the planetary ruler of the SN in the 8th house. I will try to post the Virgo archetype before end of week! Kind regards, and many thanks!
Planetary Ruler of the South Node in the 8th house or Scorpio
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The planetary ruler of the South Node of the Moon by sign, house and aspect describes the archetypes that have been used by the ego to actualize itself in past lives. These archetypes describe the "core complex" of the emotional body, as well as the sense of identity coming into the current life and core orientation to the current life. In other words, these archetypes defined by the planetary ruler of the south node describe the "bottom line," or original "root in the ground" of the core emotional body complex coming into the current life.
Scorpio, Pluto and the 8th house all represent the Soul which is
Pure Energy and they describe the Soul's metamorphous
linked with evolution. Scorpio correlates with the archetype of commitment; and yet, commitment ignites another archetype which is fear of entrapment, or being personally limited, through the commitment that the choice of commitment implies. Therefore, the planetary ruler in the 8th house describes the archetype of the past life ego desiring and forming intimate commitments with a variety of others (SN 7th house), and, yet, fearing entrapment, betrayal or loss. Being that Scorpio is the psychology of consciousness, this orientation of the past life ego lends itself to the phenomena of compulsions and obsessions which are reflections of the deepest unconscious sense of security that exists within a person. The unconscious sense of security (or lack of) that the individual senses in the current life are the causal factor in current life compulsions and obsessions. Those unconscious current life compulsions and obsessions are consciously portrayed as intentions and motivations which drive the current life.
In this scenario of the SN in the 7th house, and the planetary ruler of the 7th house in the 8th house portrays a current life expression of compulsion and obsession to form relationships with others in which the individual is desirous of deep, penetrating commitment with a variety of others. Being that many of these relationships are extreme and not balanced, the individual is bound to to experience entrapment, abandonment and or loss.
Being that Scorpio also correlates with sexual union, the planetary ruler of the 7th house SN in the 8th house or Scorpio tends to seek deep commitment with a variety of others through the osmosis and exchange of sexual fluids. This becomes the basis or "bottom line core emotional complex" of the ego coming into this lifetime of forming commitment with a wide variety of people into order to osmose intimately with others. This can be termed "osmosis karma" which is absorbing another's karma via sexual union. This is the basis of the law of karma which correlates with Scorpio. Therefore, many of these current unions are past life karmic relations being reenacted in the current lifetime. Hence many current lifetimes varied relationships are past life karma reconnections
seeking balance.Many of these current life relationships involve combining individual resources (2nd house or Taurus) with the resources of another (8th house) in order to create a greater resource or power. This is why the current life ego aligns, itself with people, organization or groups who represent who the Soul desires to osmose, for that is what represents power and expansion of resources to the current life ego. Therefore, the current life 7th house SN individual, whose planetary ruler is in the 8th house seeks out others who represent
who they want to become, and therefore actualize sexual osmosis and combined resources with a variety of people in order to lead to personal metamorphous, in which through deep and penetrating relationship with others, the individual can mutate, or metamorphous from one form of being into another that represents who they have aligned with on a deep level.
Being that Scorpio is yang, the planetary ruler in the 8th house correlates with penetration of one's own psychology, (which leads to one's motives and intentions) and the continual self questioning of the bottom-line of "WHY" this or that are happening in current life relationships.
Hi Chocolate Astrologer,
Good work! The planetary ruler of the South Node symbolizes how the South Node was consciously actualized prior to the current life. Just as Pluto (the Soul) used the South Node to actualize itself, so to does the South Node use its ruler to actualize itself.
Yes, fear of abandonment/betrayal/loss correlates with Pluto/Scorpio/8th house archetype. In the context of the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house, and the South Node in the 7th house, this may manifest as the Soul habitually attracting others who seem to have a psychological knowledge that it does not currently have, or manipulating others through knowledge of the other person's weakest psychological link. This reflects the extremity signified by the 7th house. In both cases, the intention symbolized by the planetary ruler in the 8th house is to confront limitations with the Soul's pre existing mental foundation and relationship patterns to grow beyond these limitations.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi deva
The security of a pluto in the third virgo, is dependen in accumulating the data an thoughts in order to improve what has been before. This example is not feeling ready with his actual ideas and thought system in order to contact with the other and serve the world, so the process of reprogramming could be endless do to the seek of perfection. This soul will explore part by part before getting the general view, up to get lost in details.
There could be some memories of not having the proper data before and being in a hurry, so in This lifetime is trying to collect what was needed before. Could be also some guilt and trying to redefine what was wrong in the past.
To finish we can say that in a way is involve in the process of depuring which thoughts are useful or true and wich ones are jus bullshit... Before serving the world.
All the best
Hi Deva,
Once again it got shorten and simpler to my taste (I have a strong Virgo signature myself :D) but I am already seeing my small progress regarding EA, so... hopefully I will go on improving and writing more longer messages in the next times.
Pluto in Virgo - 3rd house
With Pluto in the sign of Virgo, collecting information throughout the lives served the purpose to progressively induce the soul to self-improvement. To achieve the evolutionary goal, though, the ego structures created could have gone through experiences of abuse, humiliation, feelings of inadequacy and inferiority.
In the case of the SN in the 7th and its ruler in the 8th, one could have submitted to several cases of abuse and psychological control through relationships - relationships that could have been very unhealthy and codependent in its nature. Being controlled by others is a possibility, but the other way round too - being themselves the controllers, for diverse reasons. An example would be someone who did several types of research in order to understand the psychological reasons of why we act in the way we act, and used this acknowledgment to create more appealing personas in their relationships. Everything due to their inner feeling of inferiority when they just acted as who they really were.
The final goal here,relative to the Pluto in Virgo, would be to progressively induce the focus, the discernment, (through self-analysis) to discern what was obtained through these interactions. "Which information is worth taking with me?" "Which is not?" "Which of those is a subjective truth, which one is objective?" In so doing, purification would be achieved, through seeing what oneself is not - a process of illusions being dissolved.
Hi Sunya,
Thank you for your effort on this thread! As you know, there much more to this than than what you have written. My suggestion is to deepen what you have written by focusing on the core intentions of the natal Pluto in Virgo/3rd house; i.e "why" the Soul would pick this symbol. For example, mental expansion and refinement through discernment of what information reflects actual reality and what does not.
Namaste,
Deva
Julia,
Yes, I can also see your growth and that is exactly what this practice thread is for! From my view, it is best to start very simply as you have done and go from there.
Good work! Yes, a critical self-analysis of what information is worth "taking with" the Soul and which is not is core intention of natal Pluto in Virgo/3rd house. As you wrote, the Soul may have created abusive situations of psychological control by the partner, or presenting a false persona of wanting to help others with the actual agenda to psychologically control and manipulate others within relationships. In both cases, the intention is to expose the "actual reality" of these conditions and purge outdated mental and relationship patterns. This is indicated by Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, South Node in the 7th house, and planetary ruler in the 8th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
I am checking in with those who have not posted but would like to continue with the practice thread. Please let me know if you intend to post and how much time you will need.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva, my apologies for the delay.
Pluto in the 3rd House in the sign of Virgo
With Pluto in Virgo, the 3rd House evolutionary necessity to collect information from the environment is conditioned by the necessity to learn the evolutionary lessons of humility and being of service to whole. In the 5th house, the individually lesson is one of creative self-expansion; the self is the centre of gravity through which everything is integrated and creatively expressed. Symbolically this looks like the individual being at the top of a pyramid. In the 6th House - or Virgo - this pyramid is inverted. The individual is now at the bottom of the pyramid learning to be of service as just one part of the whole. Supporting a larger whole. This prepares the way for the next phase - Libra, the 7th house; participating in relationship as an equal.
Virgo is a Yin sign which looks within. The data that is collected is filtered, or conditioned, by the need to analyse self, to work on self, to improve self. This purification by analysis is part of the humbling process that is necessary by evolutionary intention.
With the South Node in the 7th House and Pluto in Virgo, there would be a desire to be of service to others in relationship. To be in transformational relationships that are consistently being 'worked on'. There would be an alertness in analysing the other and this information would be analysed and filtered through the 'improvement' system.
With the ruler of the South Node in the 8th, there is a doubling down of this self deconstruction, and deconstruction of relationship dynamics (7th). The analysis goes deep and turns over every stone. This could be really tough on the individual in the sense that they may give themselves a really hard time - obsessively deconstructing their own thoughts ideas and weighing up all the data they collect in relationships against their own self-worth.
They may attract relationships that go very deep (8th ruling 7th) sexually, emotionally, intellectually and there would lessons involving power vs. powerlessness and trust and mistrust. They might use their piercing analysis (virgo/8th) of partners (7th) to gain control in relationships. This could be a reaction to them having experienced feelings of victimisation (Virgo) themselves - through their own internal self-criticism projected onto others. They may attract people in relationship who take advantage of them - playing into their need for self-critical analysis. Such powerful individuals may also serve as guides, offering them psychology wisdom to support their ongoing process of self-purification. They may be attracted to such 'knowledgable' people as a source of valuable information which they can process and digest.
The underlying motivation will be the collection of information, data and experience to understand themselves within the world of 'ten thousand things'. This process will be conditioned by the Virgo archetype meaning that the process of collection will be aimed at self-analysis and purification. The data collected will be weighed against the self - the individual would be analysing their own thinking, intellectual ideas beliefs and communication and discerning what is true. There would be a desire to reach perfection. This would also occur in their relationships and in their daily work - the analysis of the other, of the workplace and its processes, held up against an ideal of perfection.
Akim
Hi deva
I'm not quite sure about how to do this practice 2 post ago i understanded that you suggest me to be more concrete:
My suggestions is to focus only on the archetypes and core intentions, i.e the "why," reflected within the natal signature as we continue to build upon the practice chart to help synthesize each step of the chart.
And now as I understand that you suggest me the opossite:
As you know, there much more to this than than what you have written. My suggestion is to deepen what you have written
So please help me to clarify, it could be that I didn't grasp the thing, I can develop the thing and going deep or I can be more concrete, but not at the same time, I can write you the chapter of a book, or write you a 3 lines haiku, but not in my abilities to do both at the same time.
All the best
Hi Akim,
Great job! Yes, the sign of Virgo will condition the 3rd house Pluto in the ways you have described. In a positive expression, critical self-analysis will result in a mental discernment of what information can be used to affect true self-improvement, and which re-enforces a sense of lack, inferiority, and the thought that that the person does not know enough.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Sunya,
To clarify, I am not suggesting the opposite of anything. I am simply suggesting that you add on to what has already been discussed and analyzed by everybody here to date; including the example I provided. Remember that the value is in the effort so just do the best you can.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step of the practice thread is to add the sign to the South Node. In our practice chart the South Node is in the 7th house. To continue with our example, let's put the South Node in the sign of Aquarius.
The South Node in Aquarius in the 7th house signifies that prior to the current life the Soul has initiated relationships with like minded others. In addition, the sign of Aquarius symbolizes that relationships were also formed within social groups. Through observation, the individual then evaluated which social groups were of like mind and which were not.
This South node placement indicates that the mental foundation was shaped by the relationships formed within these social groups. Most often, a dependence linked with these social bonds to determine what is true and what is not was created prior to the current life. In the context of Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, the individual will commonly reject the ideas and view points that do not support the existing "group mentality" in which they have formed relationships.
The Aquarius/Uranus/11th house archetype symbolizes the need to objectify a dynamic in order to liberate and de-condition from what has become outdated and crystallized within consciousness. As such, it becomes necessary to detach and disengage in order for the Soul to develop an objective awareness of what pre-exisiting patterns are creating a situation of stagnation.
Relative to the South Node in Aquarius in the 7th house and natal Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, the Soul must objectify the influence of the "group mentality" and like minded others in general to determine what information to take in and what to leave to leave out. In other words, through a necessary detachment from these like minded bonds the Soul can then liberate from outdated mental patterns, and discern what information reflects actual reality and what does not. In this way the Soul has also been learning to discover what new or additional types of information or knowledge that it needs in order to continue to evolve.
One of the core lessons reflected by the Uranus/11th house/Aquarius archetype is to stand as a group of one if necessarily. The Soul has created a dynamic within itself wherein at key junctures unexpected conflicts or confrontations with others has the intended intent of enforcing this dynamic in order to detach, let go, and evolve in this way.
In addition, trauma may have been experienced in order to induce the necessary liberation from the dependence upon like minded others and social groups. For example, conflicts or disagreements between different people in a group about which view points were correct and which were not may take place. This may have also manifested as the Soul's ideas being rejected and ostracized by the group because it did not support the overall group mentality. This dynamic is symbolized by Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, and South Node in Aquarius/7th house. The intention within this is to enforce the necessary liberation from outdated mental structures and relationship patterns, and to detach and OBJECTIFY the reasons or causative dynamics that have created this situation in order for the knowledge of others and itself to occur.
My suggestion is to read Pluto in Aquarius/11th house in the Pluto vol.1 book, and then wrote out in your own words how the sign of Aquarius conditions the South Node in the 7th house. Please post by next Tuesday. Thank you all again for your participation and contributions to this thread!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi deva and all.
I will recommend not to read this post if people is very sensible, I was crying during the writing.
Let's imagine our character with a little dog (domestic animals virgo). This dog is the only being that is always happy seeing our character, it is only the only being that trust our character unconditionally. at some point during a harsh transition the dog dies (maybe some cycle finish, some square Mars or neptune, I don't really now which are the normal aspects for death). 3 days before he was eating something and the dog ask for food, our character had the wrong thought if I give him the plastic of the sandwich it will only clean it but not eat it, I saw the dog before playing with plastics but never eating it. Bad idea. He gives the plastic to it and this image will impinge in his soul for a long time. We don't know if it finally eats or not the plastic but the dog become sick and our character didn't have the knowledge to help it, let say is living where there are no doctors and the dog finally die in the arms of our character. Our character feels guilty because wrong thought in the time of giving to it the plastic, and lack of knowledge to save his life. Regret. His best friend dies because of his stupid knowledge.
So we have set the conditions for a future life of this Character with pluto in virgo in the third.
Remember the library? So our library now is full of books on medicine and vet. The guilt has make that our character desire more than anything to repair the damage, no more lack of knowledge in regard to save life or health. Whatever is related with this he will absorbe up to the ultimate detail, what happens in the past life can not happen any more, he will know anything about life drive by this guilt. So we have a virgo improvement, healer, etc in a 3rd house knowledge basis.
What can happen is that even being now the most prepare for saving a life, he may regret himself and not feel ready even to adopting a dog, because the failure memory is there. So he will still need to read another health manual, before playing with others life again. That's one of the drama of virgo, to much self (leo) has cause damage in the others (libra). And in this case plastic is opposite sagittarius (natural law).
Maybe we have in front of us the most prepare doctor or vet of our times but totally block to put into practice.
If course in our example is not only lack of knowledge but also lack of mindfulness and awareness (is this acuarius? ) and caring.
This example is base in natural guilt, but we can do the same with learn guilt, for using the dog example, maybe some issue related with a environment where people feel superior to animals and some Behaviour related to that. And our character trying to break this social rule and feeling guilty because society ideas.
I have use the example of the dog because is very illustrative. But we can extend to many others where a guilt is driving a learning process to repair a mistake. Not necessary with health but maybe that one is the best example because nothing is more important that the life and death of the beings.
Hola Deva and fellow astrological detectives! :o
Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd House, South Node in the 7th house, Planetary Ruler of SN in 8th House
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An individual with Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house has had prior lifetimes of defining itself by finding correct facts and detailed analytical information through left-brain inner processes in order to provide factual, tangible empirical meaning for itself, which in turns lends to a sense intellectual security therefore providing ultimate meaning. This Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house individual is innerly self-critical as to the validity and completion of this didactic process and therefore, initiates a plethora of relationships with all types (south node in the 7th house) in order to consciously define it's persona and intellectual paradigm by comparison and contrast with others and their intellectual constructs.
Being that the Planetary Ruler of the South Node is in the 8th house, continual evolutionary necessity has lead this 3rd house Pluto in Virgo individual into deep, penetrating emotional and even sexual relationship with a variety of other. This continual initiation with a spectrum of others becomes obsessive and compulsive (PR 8th house) as well as a continual psychological analysis of both self and other in order to osmosis with others to get to the bottom-line understanding of life, reality and how and why things are. The desire is to osmose with another who represents who and what the Virgo 3rd house individual wants to be, become, understand, fix or heal. That though these profound merging with others, and the ideals those others stand for will in some sense complete or provide ultimate meaning to the Virgo 3rd house Pluto. Therefore placing the Virgo 3rd house Pluto's sense of security and ultimate meaning outside of itself, therefore making the individual feel inferior. Cyclically this sends the individual into crisis and analysis and in distorted expression the Virgo 3rd house individual assumes a masochistic role with others with whom they have initiated a relationship and favor to view themselves as a victim.
Hi Chocolate Astrologer,
Great job! Yes, Virgo conditions the 3rd house Pluto by collecting information that reflects actual reality and is based in fact, and discarding information that does not. The Soul may either become dependent on others for this information or attract others who perceive the individual as possessing a psychological knowledge that they themselves do not have. This is reflected by the South Node in the 7th house, and planetary ruler in the 8th house. Power/powerlessness is experienced in this way. The underlying issue is co-dependency and the need to balance extremes as seen in the South Node in the 7th house. This can occur through internal or external confrontations with respect to the planetary ruler of the South Node in the 8th house.
In the context of Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, the Soul may collect information within relationships that re-enforces a sense of inferiority, not knowing enough, and an underlying masochistic psychology. Conversely, the Soul may present itself as somebody who can help another heal and habitually focus on the other's weakest psychological link.
In either case, the need to discern which information reflects actual reality and which does not, and to affect self-improvement through information that is absorbed is signified by Pluto in Virgo/3rd house. As you wrote, crisis can serve to induce the necessary self-analysis and self-adjustment.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
First of all, apologies for my delay.
South Node in the 7th, Aquarius - relative to SN ruler in the 8th and Pluto in Virgo, in the 3rd
The relationships formed by the natives were with people that, whether in their way of speaking or acting up, were perceived as different, unusual to the consensus society. The individual wanted to merge, to become a part of those who showed these new paradigms.
Maybe the Virgo flavor manifested here as an unconscious perception, from the part of the native, that by uniting oneself would be empowered. To get further away from the perceived inferiority, felt especially due to the limiting access to knowledge or limited ways of thinking that reality the individual was inserted offered.
These relationships, formed with innovative people, may also have been innovative in their own ways. Maybe sexual habits (that would be perceived as taboo to the society of the time) played an important role, for example.
In the current life, the limitations brought could go around the need to think in own's unique way. To let go of the fixed ways of thinking (since Aquarius is a fixed sign). The native can have the tendency to mold their opinions as they find the groups they feel part of, and to get dependent on it, not managing to see outside of these points of view. Growth lies, here, by perceiving that these deductions are just thoughts, logical approaches, a reflection of a group opinion. Thus, just an angle of the truth - a path to the whole, but still just a path. Letting go of these approaches could lead the native to big feelings of inferiority, though. Maybe feeling very "small", so to speak, whenever seeing that certain ways of thinking go against the ones of the others. Something like... "We're so similar in other aspects, and now I am here, needing to be a group of one. And it doesn't matter how many groups I join... at some point I always have to be the group of one... "
Feeling inferior may also be the result of past life traumas, due to the humiliation that may have been felt in their partnerships when they (the partners) were reluctant to accept the individual's unique side. This would apply in cases where, in order to feel empowered, the individual joined with individuals who had a way of thinking that would fit the "consensus" overall way of thinking/behaving. Situations in which a relationship worked only as long as the individual not manifested their different approaches. If the abuses haven't served to the individual to let go of these relationships, choosing to for example just repress their uniqueness, in the current life the inferiority felt could also be accompanied by peculiar symptoms such as an excess of negative thoughts, with guilt and judgment in it. These thoughts, extremely negative and depreciating, would seem to come "from nowhere", since not necessarily would fit the current reality of the present life. It would occur (not only, but especially) when the native would be going through moments of worry and overthink, evaluating if it is safe to follow their own ways of thinking or not.
(Ps.: I'm not sure if this applies and is correct, this part regarding the negative thoughts and unconscious content that would come in unexpected ways. I just thought about writing since, based on what I read, Uranus is connected to the repressed contents that stay in our individual consciousness).So, that's it! Hope that's ok. I still struggle a bit to understand the influence of the sign, whether it is about the sign of Pluto or the nodes.
Quote from: Deva on Feb 27, 2021, 11:33 AM
Hi All,
I am checking in with those who have not posted but would like to continue with the practice thread. Please let me know if you intend to post and how much time you will need.
Namaste,
Deva
In my opinion, the ideal would be 7 days for each example. Regardless of the day of the week. So for example, if you post the new step in Monday, then we being able to post till next Monday, and so on. But as you're doing I think it's already super good. ;) We usually have some 5 days to post.
Hi Julia,
Great job! Yes, Aquarius will condition the South Node in the 7th house in the ways you have written. The intention is to liberate from the influence of the "group mentality" and relationships formed within social groups. As you stated, the Soul must learn to stand as a group of one if necessary, and trauma may have been experienced to enforce the necessary liberation from outdated/fixed ways of thinking.
Yes, the Uranus/11th house/Aquarius archetype correlates to the individuated consciousness. Repressed content can surface as a reflection of the need to decondition from dynamics within consciousness that have become crystalized and are causing stagnation. As you stated, in the context of this practice chart, the individual may hold unconscious memories of trauma related to rejection for being "different" than the majority/social group in which they were integrated. This is indicated by natal Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, and the South Node in Aquarius/7th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and everybody :) ,
This is my analysis of SN in Aquarius in the 7th in relation to Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house.
Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house, South Node in Aquarius in the 7th (SN ruler in the 8th)
With Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house, the Soul's evolutionary intent has been purification, serving to the whole, and self-improvement through introspection and self-analysis. We already discussed that with Pluto in the 3rd, the information and the facts that the soul collects from the environment in order to understand better itself will be in tune with those evolutionary lessons. The imperfections that the individual thinks he/she has will be of mental and intellectual nature. The mental foundation will be examined periodically with the intent of eliminating any ideas, beliefs, and methods for communication that prevent further growth.
With SN in the 7th, the evolutionary intent has been actualised through relationships with others. The SN being in Aquarius signifies that the individual has been involved in groups with like-minded people in order to build their mental foundation and expand their intellect. Potentially a dependency upon the group's mentality in terms of what is true and what not, what information to take in, and what to leave out would manifest which would prevent further growth and would lead to stagnation. The individual has needed to reject any situation that tells them who and what to be, how to think or act. With SN in Aquarius, the individual has had to learn to be objective and detached, to break free from all attachments that prevent growth in order to liberate from outdated mental patterns and way of thinking even if that would mean to remove themselves from the mainstream society or their group of like-minded people and stay by themselves alone. This way the Soul would be able to objectively see and understand what information is true and what to take in and what to leave out.
All this would be achieved through various intellectual shocks (intellectual because Pluto is in the 3rd) in the many relationships that the individual has been involved in (SN in the 7th). By mental confrontations, rejection, and criticism of the individual's ideas, the so needed objective awareness would be induced and the person would see their attachments to rigid beliefs (SN in Aquarius) and this way they can be eliminated and replaced with new patterns and new ideas.
Thank you, Deva, for the opportunity to participate in this thread. It is really helpful and my understanding deepens with each task. â¤ï¸
Deva, would it be possible to add the sign of the rulers of the nodes as well? Maybe not necessarily right now, in this example of the Pluto in the 3rd in Virgo individual, but in other examples at some point in the future? From what I have seen it hasn't been explored in the other practice threads, possibly because... it is more like minor details. And indeed, it is. But since they also play an important role, I think it would be very helpful to us, beginners.
Since it goes a bit away from the focus, though, I will of course perfectly understand if deciding that it's better not to add this step. I just thought that should at least verbalize my tip/my wish.
King regards,
Júlia
Hi Heart Symphony,
Great job! Yes, the sign of Aquarius will condition the South Node in the 7th house in the ways you have described. The Soul will create the necessary "shocks" to induce liberation from dependency upon like minded others and social groups to know what is true and not. In this way, the Soul will gain an understanding of why conflicts and conflicts occurred, and healthy mental discernment around which information reflects actual reality and which does not. This is indicated by Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, South Node in Aquarius/7th house, and planetary ruler in the 8th house.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Julia,
Thanks for your suggestions! Yes, the next step of the practice chart is to add the sign to the planetary ruler of the South Node. I will give 7 days to post as I understand many of us are under time constraints.
Thanks again to all who have contributed to this thread! I am excited to see the growth that we have made together.
Namaste,
Deva
Pluto 3th Virgo- SN 7th Aquarius - Ruler in the 8th
To develop its soul desire a person is forming relationship within all kind of groups It is a part of; Relationships are somehow different, unusual, strange or the soul is the one feeling alienated and different within the group and through the relationship soul find itself estranged. Wanting to belong but at the same time feeling suffocated and not completely understood. Fear of being left alone and outcasted is a reason person is trying to fit in and adapt. Virgo self-punishing criticism can lead a person into passive submissive roles leading to situations of crisis and situations in which they will have to defend their uniqueness and views. Objectivity and detachment is important part in self analysis and analisy of the other considering the group framework and group mentality.
For a Pluto in Virgo in third souls desire to collect and analyse data in order for enhancing an improving oneself . Importance is to accept and express its true nature, true colors. letting their "freak flag fly". Know thyself, accept thyself, love thyself, stand for thyself. Only by embracing itself with all the flaws and uniqueness can a soul be of purpose to society and people in their life in true and meaningful way.
Hi Petrunjela,
Good job! Yes, the Soul has created arguments and conflicts within relationships and social groups to enforce the necessary objectivity and detachment from like minded others who shaped the mental structure. The understanding of why these conflicts were created will take place in this way. In addition, liberation from these patterns will manifest as the Soul finds the courage to stand as a group of one if needed instead of rejecting the need to individuated as you have stated.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step in the practice thread is to add the sign to the planetary ruler of the South Node. In our practice chart, the South Node is in the 8th house. To continue with our example, let's add the sign of Pisces.
The Pisces/12th house/Neptune archetype correlates with a culmination of an entire evolutionary cycle, to timeless, universal laws, and to the need for ultimate meaning. The need to spiritualize consciousness through cultivating a relationship with the Source is symbolized. A shift from temporal values to natural, timeless values takes place in this way.
In addition, it correlates to were we are susceptible to illusions/delusions. As such, disillusionment often experienced in order to align the Soul with actual reality, and to promote the awareness that ultimate meaning can only be found from within via connection to the Creator. The Pisces/Neptune/12th house signifies where the Soul can become inspired by Source, and is naturally meant to spiritualize.
In our example, the planetary ruler of the South Node is Uranus in Pisces in the 8th house. The sign of Pisces indicates that the phycological knowledge collected will center around the need to spiritually develop, embrace timeless, universal laws, and for ultimate meaning. In essence, the Soul will desire to absorb psychology that reflects a universal or humanitarian understanding of life in general. This information will be used to spiritualize consciousness.
In the context of the South Node in Aquarius in the 7th house, prior to the current life, the like minded social groups that the Soul joined shared the same need to align with a higher cause or purpose. The information collected within these relationships and like minded groups revolved around the need to understand life from a universal perspective, and to spiritually develop.
Disillusionment may have been experienced in the context of intake of information that was not based in actual reality yet was a given a high degree of meaning by the Soul. The need to culminate an evolutionary cycle in which false notions of how to spiritualize and what constitutes ultimate meaning and what does not is emphasized. Disillusionment can also traumatically occur relative to individuals or groups that the Soul has formed relationships too or with:: reality displacing existing beliefs about someone or something.
Liberation will take place as the Soul progressively deconditions from the impact of the "group mentality" as a means to determine what is ultimately true and what is not, and aligns with universal laws that reflect actual reality verses illusions and delusions. This is reflected by Pluto in Virgo/3rd house, South Node in Aquarius in the 7th house, and the planetary ruler of the South Node, Uranus in Pisces in the 8th house.
My suggestion is to read Pluto in Pisces/12th house in the Pluto vol.1 book and then write out in your own words an example of how the sign of Pisces will condition the planetary ruler of the South Node, Uranus, in the 8th house. Please post by next Monday.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi deva and all,
About 7th aquarius.
In an Aquarian way I will use my own words since I'm not good in copy and paste. To understand the arquetype of aquarius is quite useful to see it as the bridge from capricorn to piscis., so everything is about deconditioning from capricorn the structure in order to find his own way, so adding libra to that means that the relationship are in the motivitation of liberation from the past pattorns, with gem/virgo maybe with the intention of purify previous thoughts ideas. So will initiate relationships with people out of the box so to say. This can manifest in very different ways, entering in some kind of urban Tribe and conforming completely to that Tribe. Entering in the Tribe but finally move by aquarius differentiate from that Tribe, and even going beyond coming back to classical because nowadays the classical is the different. All this could bring to the person more and more liberation but also possible more and more isolation because selecting reletionships like minded... He may not find like minded or people, or the convention will attack him back because sometimes this thing of being different could be Interpreted by others like feeling superior, or just to weird or just a trigger to their own convention. Is this guy enjoying being a tarantula in a yuppie table? Probably yes. And he need to be ready to the reaction of some yuppie.
Capricorn may judge him back, quite interesting judging game between capricorn and aquarius.
By the way, being the south node means that this being already collect a lot of information coming from alternatives relationships so if he is not al ready decondition he is very close to the next step.
All tee best
Hi Sunya,
It has always been encouraged to anyone to to use their own words' in responding to the examples given that are intended to help anyone understand the EA of it all. Thanks for your effort. What you have written are possibilities that do exist within the archetypes involved in the practice chart.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva,
I'm pretty new to the step of getting further on the meaning of the rulers, so... I have to say it was a bit more more difficult to me. But hopefully that's ok.
SN ruler in the 8th, Pisces
Relative to the SN in the 7th, it means that the relationships/groups the native joined were due to a personal search for something that could give to the individual the sense of finding the ultimate meaning. Considering the dependency of the Libra archetype, joined with the obsession of Scorpio, though, this person may have felt that only while merged with these partners or groups their inner void could be fulfilled. Projecting in these people the inner, ultimate desire to reunite with the Source that we all have.
Cycles of disillusionment could take place, then, in order to serve the purpose to make the native progressively see that while we are attached to a unique source of meaning, we're still working through the separating desires. A phrase that explains this idea in a way that I personally appreciated, is one that says: "What you do matters, but why you do it matters much more." In other words, it doesn't matter exactly the nature of the thing you're attached to, but the attachment feeling per se that you have towards it.
Since it's a Pluto in the 3rd, these attachments may have been regarding approaches or way of thinking. Fear of losing control could accompain these natives whenever following their own, instinctual nature, relative to ways of thinking that differ from the ones of the group.
Hi all! Thank you Deva for all the comments so far. I am happy to be a part of this tread. As a beginner i am being overwhelmed with all the informations. No other way to learn but through practice.
In order to not repeat things already stated it is a brief resumed version so a lot can be left out. I hope the essence is still relatable: The soul need from prior life to be of service to perfect itself by collecting and sorting data took place in social context. Forming and being in relationship within group of shared interest of likeminded people. Psychological transformation happened through disillusions, realization of different understanding regarding the faith, meaning and higher purpose. Alienating and feeling different regarding the framework of reality of the group a soul is a part of . Since the ruler is in the 8 it could have took place as reaction to power dynamic- forced point of view or situations soul felt like losing control or in a need to take control"¦expressing or repressing oneself.
Since the Uranus is a ruler is it possible that those disillusionment happened unexpected and as a shock to the soul or sudden insight? is a planet important as well or just the sign and house?
Hi Julia,
Great job! Yes, what you have written is accurate. I like that you included the dynamic of motivation as the Soul may create experiences of shock and disillusionment to become clear about the actual reality of things; including the motivations of others and itself.
Hi Petrunjela,
Great job! Yes, the Soul may create situations in which the dynamic of power/powerlessness lead to a disillusionment in the context of social groups and like minded others. The Soul created these conditions to enforce a purging of illusions and delusions, and to align with actual reality. Yes, as Uranus is the planetary ruler of the South Node unexpected shock and sudden insight may occur. It is just as important as the house and sign.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and all,
I really enjoyed this task because I am so familiar with the Piscean archetype and the 12th house. Since I have Pluto in the 12th, my SN ruler is also in the 12th in exact new phase conjunction to Pluto and my NN ruler (the Moon) is in Pisces, I can talk about this archetype and disillusionment a lot but I will try to keep it short.
SN ruler Uranus in Pisces in the 8th house (Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd, SN in Aquarius in the 7th)
With the SN ruler in Pisces, the individual has been seeking to integrate spirituality in their life. Since Pluto is in the 3rd in Virgo the individual will collect information and facts (including psychological knowledge since SN is in the 8th) with the intent to explain and understand the environment/life and the laws under which it functions in a spiritual way and in relation to the Source and also seeking to purify and improve themselves (Virgo) through integrating spirituality in their life and deepening their connection to the Creator/Source.
Relative to SN in the 7th in Aquarius in past lives the individual was surrounded by like-minded people who shared the same purpose and need to spiritually develop themselves. Most likely the individual got dependant on the group's mentality in discerning what the ultimate meaning is, what is real and what is not. Since SN is in the 8th house, it is very likely such spiritual and deep meaning to have been sought or tried to be achieved through merge-ness with another with the desire to transcend and spiritualise consciousness through deep intimacy - a projection of the Soul's desire to return to Source and trying to achieve this in the physical plane. The ultimate meaning can be found from within only through a real connection to the Source.
The Soul will create crises of disillusionment anytime the individual fails to discern what is actually real and what not and whenever they put deep meaning in something based on an illusion and not on actual reality. These disillusionment crises can be very traumatic for the individual but potentially after each one the individual would be one step closer to the ultimate meaning reflecting actual reality. There is a need for liberation and de-conditioning from the mentality of the like-minded people around the individual as a means to distinguish what is ultimately real and what is not. The individual needs to align with laws that reflect actual reality, not illusions.
Hi Heart Symphony,
Great job! Yes, what you have written is accurate. The Soul will create disillusionment through shock and trauma in order for a purging of illusions/delusions and alignment with actual reality to take place. The ability to discern what reflects universal, timeless laws and what does not is then gained.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step of the practice chart is Pluto's polarity point. Pluto's polarity point symbolizes the evolutionary intentions for the current life; the Soul's "next steps." In our example chart, Pluto's polarity point is in the 9th house.
Pluto's polarity point in the 9th house reflects the need to develope the intuitive faculty . The intuition is the component within consciousness that simply knows what it knows without knowing how it knows it. It is governed by the right brain. Focusing on the deeper meaning and metaphysical laws that are the basis for the empirical facts facilitates the shift from intellectual development to intuitive development. In so doing, a balance of the left and right brain takes place.
The core lesson within this is that the intellect in and of itself does not know what it true and what is false; this is only known through the intuition. In other words, the truth inherently exists, and is not a product of mental construction. The intellect is used to communicate intuitive knowledge rather than attempting to construct the truth through the mental faculty.
A good way to facilitate this evolution is by aligning with a comprehensive metaphysical philosophical, or religious system which most deeply resonates with the individual on an intuitive level. In so doing, a cohesive or holistic understanding of all the facts is gained. The Soul progressively becomes aware of the underlying metaphysical laws that are the basis, or explain, the physical laws. This serves to help the Soul "tune into" the natural laws that explain how Creation is governed and operates. A consistent reference and view point is developed instead of creating the "revolving dor of perspectives" in which the mental foundation is always changing.
In addition, the 9th house polarity point symbolizes the need to learn the difference between a reaction and response. For example, by learning to listen and consider another's point of view within conversations the Soul can overcome the negative tendency to become intellectually defensive and reactive when another's point of view differs from their own.
As this evolution takes hold the capacity to communicate the deeper meaning or truth of all the collected information is unsurpassed. The Soul gains the ability to illustrate how all the individual parts connect to a larger whole; the connection from the microcosm to the macrocosm. By doing so, the underlying natural laws or principles that explain all the facts are then demonstrated through such communication.
A suggestion is to read Pluto in Sagittarius/9th house in the Pluto vol.1 book to review the Sagittarius/9th house/Jupiter archetype, and then write out in your own words the evolutionary intentions for the current life symbolized by Pluto's polarity point in the 9th house. Please post by next Thursday.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and everybody,
This is my attempt to interpret Pluto's polarity point in the 9th house/the Sagittarius archetype.
Pluto's polarity point in the 9th house
The polarity point in the 9th house shows that the evolutionary intent for this incarnation is the development of intuition. Intuition is what we know for sure on a deep/gut level without knowing how we know it as opposed to the results of the deductive way of thinking. Through it, the individual will understand the deeper meaning of all collected facts and information and will be able to synthesise them and explain to themselves how all parts relate to the whole. By developing the intuition the individual will be able to understand what is true and what is not, what to take in and what to leave out.
For intuition to be developed, the mind should be quieted. One way of doing so is the alignment with a metaphysical or philosophical system towards which the individual is drawn on an intuitive level. This way a bottom line for all collected information will be given. In doing so a consistent interpretation of the facts and the laws that govern the world, the universe, and our connection to it will be created. The mind observes empirically and only through intuition the truth that explains the basics of what the mind observes can be realised.
The individual must also realise that the paths to truth are many and that the truth is relative, thus he/she must not impose their point of view and beliefs upon other people in an attempt to convert them to his/her point of view. This behaviour, if it occurs, is linked to the fact that the individual has built their emotional security upon their intellect and mental foundation. When another one doesn't agree with the individual, then the individual feels insecure and reacts in an assertive way. Until the individual learns that truth is relative and there is no need to convince anybody into believing anything, the individual will experience mental and intellectual confrontations with the intent to become aware of his/her own intellectual limitations, mind games, etc. The truth that the individual will realise through their developed intuition is valid to them but definitely not the only valid truth. As the individual grows and learns through experiencing those confrontations, he/she will develop awareness of when to talk and when to remain silent, and to objectively listen to the other people's ideas and belief systems. Furthermore, using their intuition the individual will decide what to take in and what to leave put. This way the lesson of response versus reaction will take place and growth beyond the limitations will occur.
Hi Heart Symphony,
Great job! Yes, evolution occurs by embracing the natural principle of unity in diversity instead of unity of in the sameness in the ways you have described. There is no one "right way" for all. In so doing, the Soul can learn to respond verses react, and facilitate intuitive development.
Namaste,
Deva
I like the quote from Peter Sellers in the movie The party
C. S. Divot : Who do you think you are?
Hrundi V. Bakshi : In India, we don't think who we are. We know who we are.
It reminded me of the 9th house as so the PPP there. Is the knowing.
Rational thinking made by constructing data in all the directions can be overwhelming. Trying to reach that place of understanding and comprehending gets the mind overloaded and so can become very dispersed. Informations to collect are impossible to gather all. there will never be enough. So the evolutionary intention is to quiet the mind and develop intuition- what feels right. To realize that everyone has their own vision of the truth and in order to except that soul first has to embrace its own. Development of intuition will help individual to find inner peace but also to relate to others in more fulfilling way.
PPP in the 9th
The evolutionary intent, relative to the PPP in this house is to (through the conscious addressing of the NN and its ruler) go on developing the right brain faculties - ie, the intuitive, non-linear ways one can reach the truth. One of the core lessons here is connected to the understanding that truth itself is, in the end, a relative concept, something that depends of each person. Even if a certain belief system of philosophy indeed is perceived by the native himself as the final truth. This understanding allows the individual to be more open to participating in discussions and mental exchanges, since once aware of the relativities of it, we reach the genuine curiosity - one that is not based anymore in tries to compare to the facts otherwise collected, but as a real interest in know-how is the unique perception that other human being, that other piece of "incarnated consciousness" has to offer.
This is an individual that is also currently intending to learn that is when their minds silence that it seems to get easier to make sense of the deeper meaning of each one of the facts collected. They are step by step seeing that, paradoxically as it may sounds, the truth oftentimes came when we stop running over it - when minds silence. Once this lesson is learned, the Gemini desires of researching and endlessly collecting facts get more "refined" so to speak, ie, more well-directed, since it is replaced for a more discriminated way to collect facts and information, a way that lets oneself absorb only and how much it feels right and necessary for himself at that moment. And the more important: only the information that can relate to the philosophical approaches the individual has adopted.
Hi Petrunjela,
Yes, as the Soul develops the intuition and aligns with natural, timeless laws a balance of the left and right brain takes hold. As you wrote a core lesson within this is that the truth inherently exists, and is not a product of mental construction. Good job!
Hi Julia,
Yes, what you have written is accurate. The 9th house polarity point reflects alignment with one's personal truth. As you wrote, the natural law of "unity in diversity," that there is no one right way for all and that truth is relative, will create the ability to participate in conversations were a mutual reception of ideas can take hold. Great job!
Namaste,
Deva
Hi All,
The next step of the practice thread is to add the sign to Pluto's polarity point. In our example chart, Pluto's polarity point is in the 9th house. Let's add to the sign of Pisces.
How does the sign of Pisces condition the 9th house polarity point? The Pisces/Neptune/12th house archetypes symbolizes that an entire evolutionary cycle is coming to completion, the need for ultimate meaning via cultivating a connection to Source, and to align with timeless/universal laws. In essence, elimination of delusional beliefs take holds as the Soul aligns with timeless, natural laws, and cultivates a relationship with the Source.
The sign of Pisces symbolizes that intuitive development will occur through alignment with universal laws, merging with Source, and shifting from temporal values to timeless, natural values. Timeless, natural laws will become the basis, or foundation, through which all the collected information is processed and given a consistent reference point. In other words, in the context of natal Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house, the Soul will gain the awareness of what reflects actual reality and what does not through focusing on the underlying universal, natural laws of all the collected information. In so doing, a culmination and elimination of delusive beliefs takes place.
The Soul progressively gains the ability to "tune into" the truth that inherently exists through purging false beliefs, and embracing that which is universal and that will be true for all time. In this way, the difference between that which reflects natural law and that which does not is learned. As this evolution takes hold, the Soul may be intuitively drawn a metaphysical, philosophical, or religious system that reflects the natural principle of unity in diversity and is rooted in a humanitarian perspective or understanding of life in general.
One way this may be expressed is alignment with a work function that fulfills a current humanitarian need and most closely reflects the individual's personal truth. For example, the Soul may choose to advocate for others who who have been marginalized or experienced persecution in some way.
The core message within this is that all people deserve to have their voices heard no matter how different their views may be, and for equal rights. In my view, this is a relevant social message that is universally true. This can be seen in natal Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd house, South Node in Aquarius in the 7th house, the planetary ruler in Uranus in Pisces/8th house in the context of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 9th house.
My suggestion is to read Pluto in Pisces/12th house in the Pluto vol 1 book, and then write out in your own words how the sign of Pisces will condition Pluto's polarity point in the 9th house. Please post by next Thursday.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi Deva and everybody,
Below is my attempt to interpret Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 9th house.
Pluto's polarity point Pisces in the 9th house
The sign of Pisces in the PPP 9th house indicates that the metaphysical and philosophical belief system that the individual needs to get into an alignment with should be based on timeless universal laws promoting union or merging with the Source. All collected data and information (Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd) should be filtered through the lens of those universal laws. Material worldly values should be transformed into universal natural values. As a result, all false beliefs and delusions will be purged and the individual will be able to gain awareness of reality as it actually is in accordance with the timeless laws. The difference between what is based on timeless laws and what is not should be learnt.
With SN in Aquarius and its ruler Uranus in Pisces, there is additional emphasis on the need for liberation and de-conditioning from the mentality of like-minded people around the individual as a means to distinguish what is ultimately real and what is not. Developing intuition and aligning himself/herself with a metaphysical/philosophical system based on universal laws is the way to get rid of all delusional beliefs.
The service work that the individual decides to do (Pluto in Virgo) is very likely to be of humanitarian nature for the benefit of all people (SN in Aquarius) and in alignment with the individual's personal truth. With Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd (the house of communication among other things), the individual may be an activist for freedom of speech fighting for everyone's right to be heard no matter of their opinion because the individual would have already realised that truth is relative and would have embraced the diversity in the world.
Hi Heart Symphony,
Great job! Yes, Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 9th house symbolizes that natural, timeless laws are to become the "bottom line" through which the Soul creates a consistent reference point for all the collected facts. As you wrote, alignment with universal, timeless principles becomes a means to discern illusion/fantasy from actual reality, and what reflects natural law and what does not. The Soul will not seek to "convince and convert" others, but rather embrace the natural principle of "unity in diversity," and a humanitarian approach to life in general as you stated.
Namaste,
Deva
Hi everyone,
PPP in 9th pisces (SN in Aquarius in 7th , ruler Uranus in Pisces in 8th)
Intuition is developed by simplification and dissolution of old mental barriers. Sense of feeling connected to higher forces, understanding of feeling of aloneness. Embracing PPP soul will find inner peace, worry less. find meaning in their work, distinguish when to be of service and when not to.
Excepting its own individuality, soul will have more empathy for oneself and the others.
Soul will find meaning and humility assisting others who need their help.
Hi Petrunjela,
Yes, good job! What you have written lies within the possible expression of Pluto's polarity point in Pisces in the 9th house. In addition, in the context of the sign of Pisces and how it specifically conditions the the 9th house polarity point, purging delusional beliefs and alignment with universal, natural laws facilitates the shift from intellectual development to intuitive development. Remember that the sign always "conditions" the house.
Namaste,
Deva