Ruler of PPP

[Gali]

Hi everyone,

I have a question about the ruler of Pluto's Polarity point:
In a natal chart, when Pluto is in Leo, PP is in Aquarius and the ruler Uranus is conjunct the SN of the moon - what would be the meaning of this kind of signature from evolutionary point of view? is it emphasizing the role of the SN in the chart?  and what about the NN in this case?

(I can post the chart if needed)

Thank you and blessings
Gali

[ari moshe]

Hi Gali,

My understanding is that we don't take into account the ruler of the PPP in any case, unless of course it is conjunct one of the nodes. I myself have not encountered any JWG teachings on that - that doesn't mean that its not out there of course...

The ppp doesn't operate like a planet - it's a point that signifies continual evolutionary confrontation for the soul. Pluto, through the filter of the sn is where the soul can become stagnant in its growth. The PPP, as activated through the nn, confronts that stagnation as it symbolizes the soul's conscious choice to evolve.

That being said, as it relates to oury specific question, I intuitively feel that it is valuable to look at the planetary ruler of the house Aquarius is on in the same way that it is valuable to do that with all houses and their planetary rulers. The question to ask is what is the condition of Aquarius in the chart, are there any planets opposite Pluto, etc...
With love,
Ari Moshe

[Gali]

Hi Ari,
I haven't read anything about it either, but as I saw this chart the question just came to my mind, so I had to check it....

what you say does make sense to me, and thank you for taking the time to write.

blessings to all

[seeking_truth]

I have wondered about this too!

I read in Deva's book, in the chapter on the 12 archetypes, that there is no difference in the archetypal meaning between the sign, planet & house that are inextricably linked.

Although the PPP is a point in space, the evolutionary intention of the PPP is reflected in the energy of the sign & house in which it falls.  Uranus rules Aquarius, so Uranus' placement and aspects will affect how that individual expresses Uranian/Aquarian energy.  It seems natural that one would look to the planetary ruler for more information.

An entire generation is going to have the PPP in Aquarius, and about 1/12 of them in a given house.  It seems to me that one would need more detail to see how the individual would specifically express that PPP.

You could say, for example (and depending on other factors in the natal chart), that the person may need to overcome any narcissistic tendencies (Leo) that are inhibiting growth--by focusing on serving the social good or getting more involved in groups.  The person may need to overcome insecurities or biases about going against the establishment, being different, etc.  There is a need for awakening and liberation of some kind.

But how will the individual experience these things?  How comfortable or uncomfortable is the person with Aquarian themes?  Uranus says a lot, as well as the house that Aquarius rules and any planet in Aquarius.  Then there is the sign that rules the 11th house, and any planets/points in the 11th house, as well as the planetary ruler of the 11th house.

I don't want to take the point too far, but my instinct would be to look at all of those factors.  I would add that the evolutionary state of the individual would shed light on the way that person would embrace Aquarian energy.  The goal of evolution is to focus on higher forms of expression and to avoid lower forms.  But how you define that depends on where you fall on the spectrum.  For example, someone in 2nd stage individuated may need to champion a cause, lifestyle or philosophy that drastically opposes the consensus, living completely outside "accepted" norms.  That may be a big step for someone who has not yet experienced what it is like to be totally on the outside.  But someone in 3rd stage individuated may have fully lived through, understood and learned from such an experience.  He/she would then need to learn how to release anger against the consensus and reintegrate into society, expressing a higher vibration of Aquarius energy--being and living as an individual, yet not judging or isolating fellow human beings who are still part of the consensus--realizing that we are all part of one big group--the human race.

In either case, I personally would look to any connection in the natal chart relating to Uranus, Aquarius, or the 11th house.

This is a really interesting question.  I'd love it if someone with more expertise and experience could comment on this.  Should we have a new topic in the forum dealing with rulerships?  We could have sample charts--could be fun and informative.

Thanks,

Jen

[seeking_truth]

Hi Gali,

I just remembered I wanted to take a guess at interpreting this.

Given what I said in my previous post about different levels of Aquarian energy, I would say that Uranus issues are strongly linked to the person's past, perhaps in a way that has been holding the person back.  This could involve some kind of trauma, sudden change, issues with individuation or large groups--it depends on the rest of the chart, obviously.  The person may be stuck, comfortable with experiencing Aquarius energy in a certain way.

Yet because the PPP falls in Aquarius, there is a calling to work through Aquarian energy in order to resolve issues with Pluto in Leo.  How to do this without falling back into outmoded tendencies?

I would assume that one of the person's lessons in this lifetime is to learn to recognize those old tendencies by living through them--then facing challenges which would force the person to realize that the lower expressions of Aquarian energy are no longer working.  The individual would have to learn to be open to new ways of expressing this Aquarian energy in a more transcendent manner.  What constitutes lower vs. higher forms of this energy would depend on the person's evolutionary state and other information given in the natal chart.

Does this sound like a reasonable interpretation?

Thanks,

Jen

[Rad]

Hi Jen,

First, welcome to our EA message board. Although Wolf did not write about the planetary ruler of the polarity point for Pluto he did teach it for many years in his lectures. Just like the Nodes have their planetary rulers, by house and sign, that operate as the facilitators to the actualization of the Nodes themselves so too with the location of the planetary ruler of Pluto's polarity point.

God Bless, Rad