Planetary Nodes

[Upasika]

I'm always keen to do these practice topics Rad, but health and world structure issues are dominating my time at the moment so cannot participate just now. But I certainly appreciate them, and if the time and energy does become available in the future I'll definitely be into it - can't for a little while now though.

[ari moshe]

Thanks for the opportunity to continue with this Rad. I'd love to.

[Rad]

Hi Linda and Ari,

So it seems that it's you two who want to continue. That is fine with me. Right now I am thinking that it might be an amazing journey is we looked at the birth chart of Jesus, and put in all his planetary nodes. We could investigate this together just to see what we come up with. I also have the chart of when he was crucified. It could be pretty amazing to put all that together. So let me know if you guys want to go on such a journey together. If not, we can continue in the way that we have been doing.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Yes, thank you Rad, I would be interested in examining the birth chart
and crucifixion chart of Jesus in terms of the Planetary Nodes.

[ari moshe]

That sounds very exciting! I'm interested in that, thank you.

[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo, Linda, and Ari,

Ok, here is the natal chart of Jesus, and the chart of his crucifixion. The planetary nodes of Jesus are these:

Mercury:  N.Node = 18 Pisces ................ S.Node = 12 Aquarius
Venus:    N.Node = 10 Aries .................. S.Node = 29 Capricorn
Mars:      N.Node = 12 Aries ...................S.Node = 15 Sagittarius
Saturn:   N.Node = 0  Cancer..................S.Node = 10 Capricorn
Uranus:   N.Node = 1 Gemini ...................S.Node = 7 Sagittarius
Neptune  N.Node = 18 Cancer..................S.Node = 21 Capricorn
Pluto      N.Node =  21 Gemini .................S.Node = 24 Sagittarius

So what I would like us to do is examine all of the South Planetary Nodes as they lead to the life of Jesus. Later on we can talk about the N.Nodes. Especially as they apply to the Crucifixion day.

God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Here it is with the nodes in around the wheel.

[ari moshe]

This is so cool. I first want to share that when I was 14, in yeshiva during Jewish history class, I remember how excited I was when we started learning about the time period of Jesus and the Essenes. This was highly unusual for an orthodox Jew! As I prepared to write, I had a moment of utter amazement that years later I get to analyze the chart of this great soul, who is very close to my heart- my soul.

First, basic ea state: latter third stage spiritual. It seems, based on the life that I have learned about (outside of the gospels), that he reached the final stages of the third stage of the spiritual state in that lifetime. However, I wonder if that is true based on the crucifixion, and his seeming last minute Virgo doubting "My God, why have you forsaken me?" Does this implies that he left this world with still unresolved desires?

My first observations of this chart is that all the south planetary nodes fall in the signs of Sag, Capricorn and Aquarius, in his 12th, 1st and second houses.

The basic implications of this correlate to prophesy/preaching/teaching, social responsibility/leadership, revolution/social change (the astrological signs) as well as a soul that was in communion with Creator, a loner and a hermit (the houses)

Starting with natal Pluto and the evolutionary signatures of his chart in the context of the sn of Pluto. This soul has been highly focused, and has had the purpose of assisting groups of people (or we can say humanity on the level of the masses- Neptune in the 11th conj sn) to decondition from the beliefs, religions, ideas etc that are reflected in the Judea Christian outlook. Moving beyond guilt (Pluto in Virgo in the 9th house). However also implied in this is a strong degree of pushiness and passion when it comes to communicating his vision to the masses. He himself has been learning the lesson of forgiveness, to embrace an idea of God that is entirely beyond any notion of should, guilt, or judgement (Pisces planets opposing Pluto in Virgo). He has naturally experienced and witnessed great trauma and persecution based on him fulfilling his mission. He has come into this world to instigate change, and has necessarily attracted unspeakable resistance and oppression.

A couple more necessary notes: Mercury squares the nodes- forming a first quarter square to the south node in Scorpio in the 11th house. This correlates to a soul that has experienced excommunication of sorts, or perhaps has served the function of social revolution and yet has maintained a perpetual isolation from community on behalf of being so different. Thus he has learned to be a loner, to serve humanity and yet be entirely a part from it. The skipped step that lead to the life of Jesus implies that he had resisted doing the work he is here to do based on inertia and security with being his own group of one. Thus the key has been for him truly prophesize, teach,  shake things up- and to speak up (mercury) without becoming frustrated at the people, paranoid of what might happen, spiritually arrogant, or develop a psychology of futility (Mercury in Aquarius in the second house relative to the square to the sn in Scorpio in the 11th and Neptune, ruled by Pluto in Virgo in the 9th).

This enables him to develop the north node. It's essentially about simplification and letting go entirely. Symbolically and literally this is surrendering to the Source and communicating to the masses whatever would come out of his mouth. His words were meant to transcend (Pisces) any dogmas, ideas or beliefs. It confronted and dissolved any of his own dogmas, and melted the hearts of anyone who heard him.

The south node of Pluto is in Sag in the 1st house, Squaring Mars which is in a new phase with natal Pluto both retrograde, also squaring Venus in Pisces in the 3rd which opposes that Mars. This correlates to a soul that has been a loner in the past, seeking and knowing God within the context of natural law, and nature herself. He has received the answers to his own questions through direct communion. The challenges, as comes up in this chart has been to show up and serve, to act upon the direct truth that he merged with (Virgo Square, and the retrogradation in general). There has been resistance on the one hand, and also the need to let go of control on the other (accept that he can only do his work and to surrender any attachment to outcome). This is further emphasized by natal Mars squaring its own south node, which is conjunct the sn of Pluto, in Sag in the 12th house. Again a soul that has lived in direct communtion- here emphasizing that his actions have been as directed by higher intuition.

Venus in Pisces in the 3rd squaring the sn of Pluto, also being the ruler of the nn and opposing Mars to emphasizes the need for this soul to surrender to the complete intangibility and definition-less-ness of the Truth, to develop a value system based on forgiveness and surrender.

Opening his mind in such a way also heals and nurtures the trauma, ideals, visions, beliefs, traveling, and purposes etc that has literally dictated such a strong facet of the past. The natural challenge for this soul would have been to truly let go of his independence, and to actually use words, actually speak even though he wouldn't know what to say until he said it. God is his mouth. The healing with hands is also implied in this.

While we're on Venus, it would be meaningful to look at that south node as well, especially given the evolutionary significance of that planet on his chart to begin with. The sn of Venus is in Capricorn in the second house, like natal Mercury it is squaring the nodes as well as Neptune in Scorpio in the 11th. This emphasizes a soul who has developed a value system, found personal meaning in its life through living in a very private and internal way, in seclusion. The life of Jesus must have been very focused on resolving all of that second house stuff. This planet being Venus really emphasizes the psychology of inertia. Capricorn also implies that he has needed to be highly aware of the social reality he was living in on the basis of having a social purpose to fulfill.

All of the other planets seem to repeat many of the themes already spoken of.
The sn of Uranus in Sag in the 12th also squares natal Pluto as well as every planet in Pisces, except for Venus. This says a lot about what he was faced with. Note that the ruler of Sag is Jupiter in Pisces in a new phase conjunction with natal Uranus. To simplify the immensity of these aspects: The intent was to follow the intuition, to follow God and surrender what comes out of his mouth no matter how crazy it was.
This, as well as of course Mercury in Aquarius squaring the nodes, points to the rebellious nature of his words. This really explains why his words were both very Piscean (non linear, parables, abstract, universal and timeless, non specific yet all encompassing) as well as Aquarius (revolutionary, stirred things up).

God bless,
Ari Moshe

[Linda]

Rad's Quote:  So what I would like us to do is examine all of the South Planetary Nodes as they lead to the life of Jesus.

SN of Mars 15 Sagittarius
SN of Uranus 7 Sagittarius
SN of Pluto 24 Sagittarius
SN of Venus 29 Capricorn
SN of Jupiter 0.27 Capricorn
SN of Saturn 10 Capricorn
SN of Neptune 21 Capricorn
SN of Mercury 12 Aquarius 

The Planetary SNs of all of these planets are in 3 signs:  Sagittarius, Capricorn, and Aquarius, the end signs of the zodiac, and are situated in the 12th, 1st and 2nd houses in the Eastern hemisphere of the chart indicating a past-life focus on self-awareness, self-discovery, inner world, meditation, solitude, aloneness.  Most people on the planet today have the SNs of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus in those same 3 signs:  Sag/Cap/Aqu.  His evolutionary condition was 3rd stage Spiritual.  Briefly, the dynamics involved in the prior lives of the Soul of Jesus were:

SN of Pluto 24 Sagittarius 1st house:  Pluto's "past," that is, how Jesus had evolved before and leading up to his lifetime, correlated to an alignment with natural law and a desire to teach a new philosophy of life.  He came from a matriarchal reality, living in harmony, balance and equality within the totality of the manifested creation.  His system of belief was directly linked to the laws of the natural world.  Visions and intuitive teachings were communicated instinctively and spontaneously.  Past lives within tribes, cultures, or societies that were defined by natural laws.

SN of Mars 15 Sagittarius 12th house:  Correlates to how past desires emanating from the Soul of Jesus were brought to his egocentric consciousness and how they were acted upon.  Jesus was consciously aware of his connection to the Universe in a metaphysical/cosmological context, and of his spiritual mission to teach.  Past lives within tribes, cultures, or societies that were defined by natural laws.

SN of Uranus 7 Sagittarius 12th house:  Correlates to the desire to liberate from and transform past conditioning patterns, parental/societal conditioning, trauma, persecution, alienation, or last remnants of any limited beliefs/philosophies.  Repetitive messages about the future:  knew he had a mission to fulfil, to help liberate and free others from delusive thinking.  Past lives within tribes, cultures, or societies that were defined by natural laws.

SN of Saturn 10 Capricorn 1st house:  Correlates to lifetimes lived during the devilish distortions of the patriarchy and how this formed a foundation for active self-determination in his teachings about the true god.  Transition between the matriarchy and patriarchy.

SN of Venus 29 Capricorn 2nd house:  Past inner relationship to himself involved emotional control/repression of natural impulses.  Reliance on his heavenly "father" for material needs and security.  A strong capacity to "give, share and include."   

SN of Jupiter 0.27 Capricorn 1st house:  Beliefs about natural law and future visions were the basis for his structured/ordered teachings and interpretation of reality.  Expansion, growth, in a state of continual becoming.  Transition between the matriarchy and patriarchy.  Wise teacher/elder.

SN of Neptune 21 Capricorn 1st house:  Jesus' spiritual root goes back to the Age of Capricorn, just after the original matriarchy was established.  His reality was defined by natural laws, nature, natural impulses, respect for the earth, spiritual clarity"¦..undistorted Capricorn energies.  Spiritual healer, elder, authority.  Resonating with patriarchal times, Jesus witnessed the delusive/distorted impulse of self-interest, exclusion, man-made laws, dominating and disfiguring "˜natural' impulses. 

SN of Mercury 12 Aquarius 2nd house:   Correlates to past lifetimes when the original matriarchy was in place, during which time names and classifications were being given to the phenomenal nature of reality.  Fast processing of information, objective/logical thinking, fixed focus, original.

Question:  Where is (or who is) Jesus today?

[Rad]

Hi Linda and Ari,

Both of your analysis's of the Planetary Nodes of Jesus are good work. There are a couple of dynamics and issues that we can consider more. One is rooted in the fact that coming into the life as Jesus he had to relearn certain forms of humility as evidenced in the fact that a former student in another life, John the Baptist, became the vehicle for his own baptism. Can we see from the placement of his Planetary Nodes relative to his natal planets why this was a karmic/ evolutionary necessity ? What did the Soul of Jesus do in another life that required this ? And, within this, what can we see in his past that would have lead to the life of Jesus in the first place ? And why the necessity of being Crucified ? Another dynamic to examine more deeply would be the Soul psychology of Jesus over many, many lifetimes that lead to becoming Jesus ? What has that Soul psychology been ? And, because of that psychology, what types of specific prior lives do he live that all lead to the life of Jesus ? There have been other lives in which he was, relatively speaking, very known for his various capacities: not lives that were in seclusion at all. Can we see some of that in his birth chart, and the Planetary Nodes ?

God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

One is rooted in the fact that coming into the life as Jesus he had to relearn certain forms of humility as evidenced in the fact that a former student in another life, John the Baptist, became the vehicle for his own baptism. Can we see from the placement of his Planetary Nodes relative to his natal planets why this was a karmic/ evolutionary necessity ? What did the Soul of Jesus do in another life that required this ?

I don't feel clear about where to start with this. The key words you are bringing up: baptism (Pisces), humility (Virgo), student (Saturn?).

What I understand, is the core implication of Pluto itself, retrograde, in Virgo in the 9th as the ruler of the sn in Scorpio in 11th= the necessity to learn spiritual humility. This signature can express as being too controlling and overwhelmed how much work there is to do/getting its message across. Pluto is in opposition to ALL of that Pisces, and is in a gibbous phase opposition to the Moon Jupiter and Uranus- indicating the evolutionary requirement to learn humility.

Would you mind providing more guidance for tuning into this?

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

The prior life this refers to is actually in the Bible amazingly enough given the fact that the current Bible was put together in the 4th century where they picked and chose what to include, and what not too. This is in reference to Jesus commenting on that former life as Elisha and Elijah: student and teacher. In that life Jesus abused the power of miracles in various ways which then created this karmic/evolutionary need to relearn total humility: God as the doer. So see if you can see the prior life signature for this that lead to the life of Jesus.

God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

I'm not sure if your saying he was Elisha or Elijah. Either way, the details aren't important. I tried goggling, and as usual I got A LOT of information that I can not know one way or another of its accuracy. So I'm just going to stay focused on the chart in correlation with his planetary nodes and evolutionary state.

One thing I would be interested in hearing about is Linda's question about what happened after the life of Jesus. What is that soul up to? My inner feeling is that he did not reincarnate physically, but rather serves a collective purpose for the planet.

The south node of Uranus here correlates to how this soul has been on journey of deconditioning from all past factors that prevent from an absolute identification with Source. Retrograde in Sagittarius in the 12th house correlates to a past where he inspired the masses, spoke to the masses through direct communion with natural law, and yet has become over zealous and frustrated at the masses. The ruler of that is Jupiter conjunct Uranus balsamic, in Pisces in the 3rd. These signatures squaring one another, as well as natal Pluto retrograde in Virgo in the 9th. All This points to what this soul has been deconditioning from, and the specific karma that has lead to this life from the point of view of these signatures.

As a result of being frustrated, this soul has used it's natural powers, has "broken the ordinary rules of nature" (sn of Uranus in Sag, Jupiter conj Uranus) to perform miracles, or get a point across (in the 12th, squaring Pluto in the 9th= obsessed with it's own version of the truth, and was full of itself, also squaring the Pisces Jupiter Uranus= was frustrated and took advantage of its powers).

The fact of Uranus (the natal planet of the sn of Uranus) as well as Jupiter (the ruling planet of the sn of Uranus) being in the 3rd house in Pisces, correlates to how this soul has over compensated in the way that it did. The answer would have been possibly through the use of words, hands, water, communication of some sort- all of this involving perhaps facets of nature (Jupiter, Sag, 9th house) or water (Pisces, 12th).

All this points to a past whereby he was very well known on a public level (Pisces/ 12th) as well as Neptune on the Lunar sn.

So coming to the life of Jesus, why was it necessary for him to be baptized by John? Perhaps the reason would have been to teach Jesus that he can only do what is God's will, not his own will, necessitating a process of purification by water (Pisces, 12th) by a revolutionary (Uranus).

It's really hard for me to muster any more depth than I have. I'm going to continue to listen to your feedback and what other people write here. Thank you so much, it feels really good to be working with this chart.

[Julie]

Hi Rad,

I apologize for not responding sooner and thank you for your suggestions.  I think I need to get more familiar and practice on the basic archetypes so I'll be joining the new practice chart thread instead whenever I get the chance.  Thank you for letting me join in even though I may have jumped ahead of myself with this one.  

Thank you,
Julie

[Rad]

Hi Ari,
 
You are doing real good in  your analysis Ari. The prior life issue of abusing the power of being able to perform what would appear to be 'miracles' by most others was about the Natural Law of some others who were not meant to be helped because of the specific nature of their own karmic histories that necessitated whatever the life conditions were for themselves. The intense love and compassion that existed in the Soul of Jesus to help all is that which  created this transgression of that Natural Law. In so doing this in turn reflects that the Soul of Jesus, in those instances, was then making decisions to help those who were not meant to be helped through the agency of his own will instead of being in absolute alignment with the will of God/ess itself: at all times. As a result of this it thus required that Jesus relearn/ remember that absolute alignment with God's will at all times which manifested as 'humiliation' of the Soul of Jesus by being baptized by a former student in another life: John the Baptist. The symbol of baptism of course is one of purification.

As a result of this Jesus then in that life went on to perform any many of 'miracles' in order to teach about the natural power of God/ess itself. And, in so doing, taught about the natural law of faith, and the power of faith.

Many have wondered over the centuries since his life about he did in his early life before he was to become known as the prophet Jesus. There is a great cap in the Bible between roughly the age of 12 and 30 years of age. So where was he ? What were those years about ? Are we able to see in his birth chart any clues to what he did in those years ? Do the planetary nodes off any clues ?

God Bless, Rad