Planetary Nodes

[Julie]

Hi Rad and all,

Here's my first attempt...not really sure if I'm on the right track but would appreciate any feedback.   

The S.Node of Mercury now is in Sagittarius, the N.Node in Capricorn, and the current Mercury is now retrograde in Capricorn conjunct it's N.Node.

The natal position of Mercury in the south node symbolizes the way the individual communicated in the past and may be continuing to communicate in this pattern now because it is a form of emotional security for the individual.  Mercury signifies how we mentally organize the information we take from the external environment which is based on our pre-existing notions of our beliefs which also determine the type of information we allow in.

With Mercury in Sagittarius, the individual's past dynamics may have been exaggeration, dishonesty, etc"¦distorted expressions of the sign due to overcompensation.  There may also have been a need to convince and convert others to his/her beliefs due to their insecurities with a tendency for broad generalizations.

With NN Mercury, the planet is actualized through new levels of expression.  NN being in Capricorn, the placement here symbolizes the need to express a personal voice of authority in society in which this voice must come from within and not based upon a social role.

With current Mercury retrograde, an acceleration of evolution must now occur where the individual rebels against the consensus through a deep disconnection with the consensus triggering psychological withdrawal from the consensus resulting in feelings of isolation.  With respect to Mercury and where it's located, it needs to be expressed in a unique and individualized manner.  Having retrograde Mercury conjunct the NN, it needs to be consciously experienced but could be experienced as disassociation, disillusionment, and alienation.  By going through this disillusionment, the individual learns that ultimate meaning can't be found in any external condition or person.  The conjunction located with this aspect is teaching the individual the nature of his/her delusions and illusions.

God Bless,
Julie

[Rad]

Hi Julie,

Hi Rad and all,

Here's my first attempt...not really sure if I'm on the right track but would appreciate any feedback.   

The S.Node of Mercury now is in Sagittarius, the N.Node in Capricorn, and the current Mercury is now retrograde in Capricorn conjunct it's N.Node.

The natal position of Mercury in the south node symbolizes the way the individual communicated in the past and may be continuing to communicate in this pattern now because it is a form of emotional security for the individual.  Mercury signifies how we mentally organize the information we take from the external environment which is based on our pre-existing notions of our beliefs which also determine the type of information we allow in.

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The information that the Soul seeks in any placement by sign and house correlates to what the Soul needs relative to it's ongoing evolutionary needs.

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With Mercury in Sagittarius, the individual's past dynamics may have been exaggeration, dishonesty, etc"¦distorted expressions of the sign due to overcompensation.  There may also have been a need to convince and convert others to his/her beliefs due to their insecurities with a tendency for broad generalizations.

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Over compensation for what ? In EA we need to focus on cause and effect versus descriptive statements. What insecurities would exist that would cause the Soul to convince and covert others ? Allow yourself to contemplate the totality of the Sagittarius archetype so that you can expand on S.Node of Mercury being in Sagittarius.

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With NN Mercury, the planet is actualized through new levels of expression.  NN being in Capricorn, the placement here symbolizes the need to express a personal voice of authority in society in which this voice must come from within and not based upon a social role.

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It is just as possible for the Soul to find a social position in which it's need to express it's own sense of authority about what it thinks it knows. What it thinks that it knows can be a causative factor in finding a social role to express it's need for authority. And, again, from an EA point of view, what is the link between the S.Node being in Sagittarius to the current life of having the N.Node being in Capricorn ?

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With current Mercury retrograde, an acceleration of evolution must now occur where the individual rebels against the consensus through a deep disconnection with the consensus triggering psychological withdrawal from the consensus resulting in feelings of isolation.

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What if the Soul is in fact in a Consensus State ? What would it mean then ?

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With respect to Mercury and where it's located, it needs to be expressed in a unique and individualized manner.  Having retrograde Mercury conjunct the NN, it needs to be consciously experienced but could be experienced as disassociation, disillusionment, and alienation.

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Why ?

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By going through this disillusionment, the individual learns that ultimate meaning can't be found in any external condition or person.  The conjunction located with this aspect is teaching the individual the nature of his/her delusions and illusions.

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What illusions and delusions would those be, and where do them come from ?

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Good first effort Julie. Please review the comments above and, if you feel like it, try to expand upon what you wrote based on them.

God Bless, Rad

[Julie]

Hi Rad,

Thank you for the comments.  I'll try and expand on it more.  Thank you again.

[Rad]

Hi All,

For those of you who have been participating in this thread I would like to know what you want to do. Do you want to start a new paradigm, or are any of you still wanting to add to the existing one ?

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo,

What you have presented and shared is simply astounding and incredible. I would like to suggest that you consider writing a book for about Mercury's role within Evolutionary Astrology. At this point in time we have a publisher in England, Wessex, who very much desires to publish substantial works on EA. If I remember right you have Uranus in the 3rd. You would be a perfect vehicle to write on Mercury's role in EA Gonzalo.

Just incredible work.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

SN of Mercury in Sagittarius
Current Mercury Rx in Capricorn (conjunct its NN)
NN of Mercury in Capricorn

One of the evolutionary needs of any Mercury retrograde symbol, no matter what the sign, is to eliminate or jettison existing ideas that have accumulated within the Soul that need to be let go of so that the evolution of the Soul can proceed. And, because of this, when we see Mercury retro in a birth chart it will commonly correlate to a Soul that can only take in new information that is specific to it's own evolutionary needs. When it is orientated to information that it actually needs in order for it's evolution to proceed this can then create a 'photographic' memory. So, if you feel like it, see if you can apply these archetypal correlations of the Mercury retrograde to what you have already stated.

Hi Rad,

This is my brief "re-do" as suggested by you:

The evolutionary need of Mercury Rx is to eliminate an over-abundance of existing ideas that have accumulated within the Soul.  These existing ideas are described by the Planetary South Node of Mercury in Sagittarius and include patterns of writing, speaking, communicating, methods of collecting information and data, techniques dealing with daily environment, perceptions, and modes of thinking.  

The accumulated communication/thinking patterns were made up of a great variety of:  philosophies;  world views;  inquiries and examinations into science, ecology, astrology, psychology;  desire to travel to different countries and experience different cultures;  educational systems or methods of study/learning;  spiritual teachings and teachers;  consciousness-expanding techniques;  religious dogma;  and mysticism.

So that the evolution of the Soul can proceed, the Mercury Rx function allows the Soul to throw off the old modes of thinking and excessive ideological baggage.  This takes place in a unique Uranian kind of way, with the freedom to throw off this excess information becoming heightened and accelerated.

Depressed or reflective thinking processes become necessary so as to create the awareness of what the Soul needs to structurally change within his intellectual organization (ie what he needs to throw off based on the limitations in his belief systems or intellectual organization) and what new ideas, desires or ambitions he needs to initiate in his inner and outer reality, so as to build a new intellectual framework that is stronger than the previous one (SN Mercury in Sag) and allows an evolution toward a larger truth (Cap).

In the current life, the Soul can only take in new information that is specific to it's evolutionary needs, as described by the current Mercury Rx in Capricorn.  Basically the Soul is throwing off the excess of information so that the quantity becomes more conservative.  The unrestrained search for information is quietened, and the Soul becomes concerned with developing a mental/intellectual "structure" that serves a societal purpose.  The Soul maintains his natural intellectual curiosity but this is carried out in a more orderly fashion, restricting what is unnecessary, and allowing what is essential.  The Soul builds and constructs his intellectual framework in a self-determined and organized way, thus working toward achieving personal authority.

The need to take in new information specific to its ongoing evolutionary needs is described by the Planetary North Node of Mercury in Capricorn.  This need can create a photographic memory or an ability to organize certain types of information.  The Soul will remember what it "understands" or what is of value to it in its evolutionary journey, rather than meaningless information.  

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Thanks Rad.  I hope this is accurate.

[Rad]

Hi Linda,

Good job Linda.

God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad, finally here it is! Thank you always for your patience with me.

I think it might be interesting to use the current planetary nodes of Mercury in our next exercise. The S.Node of Mercury now is in Sagittarius, the N.Node in Capricorn, and the current Mercury is now retrograde in Capricorn conjunct it's N.Node. 

Mercury correlates to the function of perception; how a soul picks up various data and information from its environment, processes that information and integrates it to recognize and decifer phenomenal reality. It also corresponds to the particular information that the soul is naturally drawn to investigate. Interpreting the south node of Mercury is a looking glass into the mind of the soul- and the deductive faculties it has developed.

South node of Mercury in Sagittarius correlates to a soul that has lived many life times developing its intuition as a medium of thought. Thus this soul has been interested in information that pertains to understanding the meaning of life from a cosmological, philosophical or spiritual point of view.

Innate within this signature is also a vast curiosity to find the truth- and thus many lifetimes of this soul "going on a journey" to connect the dots of it's own understanding- filling in the blank spaces with more experience that ultimately serves to make more sense out of life. Both the possibility of getting lost in seeking to the point of acquiring too much data, sometimes making sense and other times not at all, as well as the possibility of becoming defensive over the ideas that it has logically formulated to itself based on some sort of belief system that "proves itself" through a narrow scope of data (ie belief in creationism, logically proved on the based on limited data).

Sagittarius corresponds to the noumena. What life is in its essence. The point of this signature is to develop an awareness of the logical principals that govern natural law. Basically, this soul has been engaged in the study of how truth operates, varying according to evolutionary state.

This soul also has a memory of a time when all souls lived in accordance to natural law. This would correspond to the age of Sagittarius. This soul memory also corresponds to the Gemini Sub age of Sagittarius- (Originally, I was hoping to understand these ages through the yugas, but I'm unclear about all of that right now. So I'll let that one rest). The most recent age that occured was the age of Gemini. Intuitively, this age corresponds to the time when all souls were developing the faculty of perception- relating to reality from the point of view of the mind. Collecting data, naming things, creating classifications. This is also when the interconnectedness between human and nature became logically understood (Gemini= enviroment). Thus this age corresponds a time when souls began studying the patterns of nature, the patterns of the earth, and shaping life styles that interact with those patterns. Thus agriculture and other such projects became wide spread.

Natal Mercury is placed in Capricorn and is retrograde. It is also on the north node of Capricorn. This has various implications. The cosmology established in Sagittarius becomes the basis of the structures that are crystalized in Capricorn. In this case, the soul has been heavily immersed in it's society by way of having held the role to structure, organize, and define the cosmology of the times. The need for a common language that would provide cohesion for the community and a common reference point is implied in Capricorn. Thus this soul has been interested in documenting, "writing the book" so to speak about how life operates. Thus this soul has been immensely self aware of social opinion and judgements when it comes to consensus opinions of what is true and what is not true. This isn't just about over-arching philosophies, this would correlate to how society viewed itself in relation to nature in all regards- even down to gender roles (The age of Gemini proceeded the age of Cancer. Thus this soul has been a part of a world that gradually began to view itself as actually being separate from nature. And has begun to "think" itself as being other than what it naturally is. Point and case: the garden of eden myth and the "tree of knowledge").

In the consensus state this soul has been completely a part of the consensus reality and has adopted and perhaps been responsible for the application of the ideas, and the words/language/vocabulary that reflect those ideas about life. This can also correlate to particular religions that institutionalized various cannons as "sacred text" (Capricorn by way of Sag). This can also have manifested as structuring the scientific knowledge of the time. This knoweldge would have been whatever was the prevailing beleif. Based on the retrogradation of Mercury, and it being on it's own north node, this soul has developed immensely in this area, however has been overly focused on it's purpose to the point of overemphasizing its own use of logic. This has created an abundance of extraneous ideas about how to live, what is right and wrong etc that are way too complicated and complex. In this life, the core intent of this signature is for this soul to actually detach itself from the beleifs and values of the consensus reality and reflect, introspect into the nature of it's own ideas and, on its own, come to realize what is relevant to its social purpose and actually helpful in creating tangible social definition, and what is not. This would then enable the soul to respond to the consensus need for clear definition without getting convoluded by too many point of views. In the end gaining the necessary social credentials (Capricorn) such that it's words can be trusted and credible in society is important. This adds the emphasis and pressure for this soul to work this out.

In the individuated state this would correlate to a soul that has had a wide exposure to various cultuers and cosmologies and is innately interested on deconditioning its mind such that it can understand life and speak a language that is common to all, not just based on a limited world view. The essence of this signature in this state is developing the rational function, so that ideas can be scientifically tested to reality. This again requires effort by way of the soul becoming inwardly focused in order to investigate and explore what actually is, the way things are. Then this soul may have a specific social role to fulfill on behalf of its community, especially in the latter stages of the individuated state, that has to do with defining a particular social vision that would create community organization and co-hesion. This role may be about awareness of government policies, writting about human's innate relationship with nature (permaculture for example), re-defining certain terms, words, concepts that are more true to the way things are (such as the use of gender pronouns) etc.

In the spiritual state this would correlate to a soul that is wired to understand the underlying principals of manifested creation and to communicate them in such a way that these principals can become embraced on a collective level as social concepts that are universal and timeless. Thus learning how to write, communicate and define the nature of things in a way that provides intellectual and philosopohical co-hesion and direction. The challenge for this soul would be learning to differentiate between what is true and what is just a beleif. Thus the necessity to commit to a personal life of self inquiry, personal investigation into one's own nature in order to discover the truth. This soul may have been a part of spiritual groups, or may have even been a leader of such groups. In all cases the soul needs to reflect on the ideas that have become crystalized in its consciousness and understand, on its own, how those ideas are in fact just a patriarchal distortion (Capricorn). Through this introspection, this soul will gradually develop the self mastery that will enable it to become focused entirely on a spiritual path that provides the language and context for understanding natural law. In higher states of evolution for example, this soul can commit itself to providing very clear definition and language that can guide others. This language will eventually become so socially concrete, and structurally clear, that it may become almost like a dictionary for a particular spiritual modality, or cosmological system of thought.

In all cases, these signatures imply a soul that is highly sensitive to the fact that it has work to do (Capricorn) and thus gradually aware of the limitation of years it has in this world. This is a soul who at first will lack the focus and self awareness that enables it to develop it's own understanding in the appropriate way (mercury retrograde), and yet over time, if this soul develops the maturity, will excell greatly in this area to the point of becoming highly specialized and expert at whatever mental constructs it is organizing (Mercury retrograde, conjunct nn of Mercury in Capricorn).

God Bless,
Ari Moshe

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

SIMPLY EXCEPTIONAL WORK ARI. Bravo !!

God Bless, Rad

[mountainheather]

Hi Rad,
I've had to skip this last paradigm.  I will attempt the next one.
Thank you , and blessings, Heather.

[Wendy]

Wow, this thread is so fascinating to read!  I hope to join back in at some point (too many other learning curves right now).

As I was reading through though, a question arose.  How common is it for a soul to have a natal planet, say Venus, in the same sign and similar degree as the SN of that planet, i.e., natal Venus in Leo 7 with SN of Venus in Leo 2?

And what about soul's with natal planets conjunct the collective nodes, such as north and south of Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto, Uranus?  Are there specific implications for those individuals?  For instance a soul with Mercury in Sag conjunct the SN of Uranus, or natal Moon in Capricorn 24, conjunct SN of Pluto 20 Capricorn and SN of Saturn 25 Capricorn?

Are these aspects important considerations?  Maybe these questions have already been answered?

Thanks Rad.

Blessings,
Wendy

[Rad]

Hi Wendy,

Wow, this thread is so fascinating to read!  I hope to join back in at some point (too many other learning curves right now).

As I was reading through though, a question arose.  How common is it for a soul to have a natal planet, say Venus, in the same sign and similar degree as the SN of that planet, i.e., natal Venus in Leo 7 with SN of Venus in Leo 2?

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Of course this can happen, and it is not uncommon.

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And what about soul's with natal planets conjunct the collective nodes, such as north and south of Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto, Uranus?  Are there specific implications for those individuals?  For instance a soul with Mercury in Sag conjunct the SN of Uranus, or natal Moon in Capricorn 24, conjunct SN of Pluto 20 Capricorn and SN of Saturn 25 Capricorn?

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The implications are that are that all Soul's have their unique evolutionary and karmic history that leads the Soul into each life. The collective nodes all correlate to specific astrological ages and sub-ages in which all of us either have lived in those times and/or our consciousness is drawing from those times: the collective consciousness/unconsciousness. When natal planets conjunct those those collective nodes it means that the nature of those astrological ages and their sub-ages have been directly experienced by the Soul and is thus conditioning the Soul's consciousness in the current life.

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Are these aspects important considerations?  Maybe these questions have already been answered?

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Yes, they are very important to consider.

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God Bless, Rad

[mountainheather]

Hi Rad, I haven't been able to keep my mind focussed lately. I'll have to come back to the practice threads at another time. Thank you for the support. Heather

[Rad]

Hi All,

Please let me know if any of you wish to continue with this thread on planetary nodes.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Yes thanks Rad, I think more practice would be helpful.