PRACTICE CHARTS

[Rad]

Hi,

Ok, lets start up this thread again and do some practice charts using the EA paradigm. As I said I would like those that are participating in this to reference Wolf's first Pluto book where he writes about Pluto through houses and signs. In other words to read it when we are looking, for example, at a practice chart that say has a 4th House Pluto, or a Sixth House Pluto, etc. This will allow for a much deeper discussion and analysis that just winging it from off the top of one's head.
So with that in mind let's start with an abstract chart and put Pluto in the 7th House. So read what Wolf wrote for Pluto in the 7th House and then talk about that in your own words in terms of where the Soul has been and why, where it has left off from it's most recent prior lifetimes, and what the core evolutionary intent is for this life: the 1st House polarity.
So let's have a go of it !

  Rad

[stephen]

So with that in mind let's start with an abstract chart and put Pluto in the 7th House. So read what Wolf wrote for Pluto in the 7th House and then talk about that in your own words in terms of where the Soul has been and why, where it has left off from it's most recent prior lifetimes, and what the core evolutionary intent is for this life: the 1st House polarity.

  A Soul with Pluto in the Seventh House has had as the previous evolutionary intent of its most recent prior lifetimes the need for subjective individual development, which required a self-centered orientation.  Thus, previously, the intent was to experience essential aloneness in order to purge egocentric self-importance, and so the Soul was formerly learning the skills required to channel its inherent capabilities in order to attempt to serve the needs of society.  In previous lives, the Soul conceivably had approached relationships in extreme ways, either dominant or co-dependent, controller or controlled, some times possibly even within the same relationship, and so additionally may have developed karmic problems associated with a variety of other people.

  As the Seventh House is a natural cardinal house, this carries the meaning of a new evolutionary cycle that was previously started in the most recent past lives and is still continuing to develop throughout the Soul's current life.  The Soul has therefore previously been learning the process of developing an objective awareness of its own self, and additionally attempting to understand this new-found sense of individuality through a social perspective.  So, in a preliminary way, the Soul has been learning the evolutionary lesson of objectivity versus subjectivity, which includes the lessons of true listening, equality, and balance.
  Within this path of Soul growth, a fundamental lesson is how to participate in relationships, and so this will be a driving force for the individual coming into this life.  That particular lesson will therefore require conscious involvement within a broad diversity of relationships, leading the Soul to have an exposure to many different value systems, intellectual systems, emotional patterns, and spiritual beliefs.  Through an assessment of this diversity of relationships will come an understanding of the unique parameters of the Soul's own innate individuality.  However, to gain a true understanding of others, the Soul will need to listen objectively in order to determine how to relate to those others, and so will eventually learn to truly hear the others' representation of reality.  This will itself then lead to the Soul's ability to provide for others' needs from the point of view of those other's own reality.  This acceptance of differing points of view will lead to a deeper understanding of the inherent relativity of all human nature.
  The unconscious emotional security structures, built into an ego by the Soul when coming into its current life, are in this case defined by the need to be in relationships in order to feel fulfilled and complete.  This will eventually lead to the completion of the self through relationships with others, which will itself lead to uniting that self with others.  Thus, the lessons of a Pluto Seventh House Soul will eventually lead to an equal participation through true balance in many differing types of relationships, with the Soul learning along the way to be neither subservient nor dominant.

  A downfall within this particular archetype is the possibility of an involvement in too many relationships, being subjected to too many differing viewpoints, which can lead to the opposite intent, which is that of a Soul losing touch with its own unique individuality.  Unfortunately, this could also possibly lead to a compulsive dependence on the opinions and advice of others, and may even in extreme cases lead to the Soul's substitution of the understandings of others concerning their own self and life-purpose as its own.  This would then lead to the inability of the Soul to relate to itself without relating to others, and so a feeling of being uncomfortable while being alone will arise.  An additional downfall of this type of dependence can be a subconscious attraction to powerful and stable individuals who will provide direction and life-purpose to the confused Soul.


  The core evolutionary intent for a Soul in the current life is reflected in the Pluto Polarity Point, which for a Seventh House Pluto is to be found within the First House.  Thus, the current evolutionary intent is for the individual to learn how to choose their own life directions without dependence upon opinions or consent of others, and thus meet its own needs without reliance upon others.  This does not imply the individual becoming a loner or living without a close relationship, but instead indicates that they should learn how to be alone and make their own decisions in order to more fully develop their own unique individuality.  These Souls will thus be required to balance the need for time alone with the need for time spent with others.
  Within their personal intimate relationships, they will also learn not to control or block their partner's own need to initiate decisions, and this will require the Soul to learn to conduct relationships in new, and not in expected, ways.  This not only requires the individual to support a partner's independence, but the partner must also learn to reciprocally support independence in the individual.  Voluntary participation within the relationship in a mutually dependent way will thus encourage inter-pendence and not co-dependence with both of the partners. 
  The individual will learn to give to the other so the others' needs can be met, and, when a true balance in the relationship is achieved, the partner will also give freely back to the individual so that their own needs can thus be met as well. 

  Thus, as these lessons are learned, these individuals will be very giving people, able to easily identify the needs of the other within the context of the others' own realities, and thus provide exactly what the others' need.  Additionally, they will come to learn the lesson of when to give and when not to give in the context of the larger view of the specific evolutionary needs of others.
  The lessons of the First House Pluto Polarity Point will lead the individual to learn to be inwardly balanced in any external situation, and so have a firmer grasp upon their own identity, even in the face of pressure from other outside viewpoints, values, beliefs, or even ideas.  These lessons will also lead to the individual truly appreciating the complex diversity of human nature, and, through realizing their own unique individuality, they will be able to place that individuality within the context of human society.  They will thus themselves give this conceptual lesson to others through their own living example, the concept of which is that every individual does on their own have the ability to discover who they are, and additionally the courage to THEN BE THAT.

[Rad]

Hi Stephan,

So with that in mind let's start with an abstract chart and put Pluto in the 7th House. So read what Wolf wrote for Pluto in the 7th House and then talk about that in your own words in terms of where the Soul has been and why, where it has left off from it's most recent prior lifetimes, and what the core evolutionary intent is for this life: the 1st House polarity.

  A Soul with Pluto in the Seventh House has had as the previous evolutionary intent of its most recent prior lifetimes the need for subjective individual development, which required a self-centered orientation.  Thus, previously, the intent was to experience essential aloneness in order to purge egocentric self-importance, and so the Soul was formerly learning the skills required to channel its inherent capabilities in order to attempt to serve the needs of society.


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  No, this is not correct. Any 7th House Pluto , prior to the current life, has defined itself RELATIVE TO BEING IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS. The intent has been to learn the 'relativity' of reality as a result, to realize that others have needs just as their own, and to learn to understand and see themselves objectively as a result.

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In previous lives, the Soul conceivably had approached relationships in extreme ways, either dominant or co-dependent, controller or controlled, some times possibly even within the same relationship, and so additionally may have developed karmic problems associated with a variety of other people.

  As the Seventh House is a natural cardinal house, this carries the meaning of a new evolutionary cycle that was previously started in the most recent past lives and is still continuing to develop throughout the Soul's current life.  The Soul has therefore previously been learning the process of developing an objective awareness of its own self, and additionally attempting to understand this new-found sense of individuality through a social perspective.  So, in a preliminary way, the Soul has been learning the evolutionary lesson of objectivity versus subjectivity, which includes the lessons of true listening, equality, and balance.
  Within this path of Soul growth, a fundamental lesson is how to participate in relationships, and so this will be a driving force for the individual coming into this life.  That particular lesson will therefore require conscious involvement within a broad diversity of relationships, leading the Soul to have an exposure to many different value systems, intellectual systems, emotional patterns, and spiritual beliefs.  Through an assessment of this diversity of relationships will come an understanding of the unique parameters of the Soul's own innate individuality.  However, to gain a true understanding of others, the Soul will need to listen objectively in order to determine how to relate to those others, and so will eventually learn to truly hear the others' representation of reality.  This will itself then lead to the Soul's ability to provide for others' needs from the point of view of those other's own reality.  This acceptance of differing points of view will lead to a deeper understanding of the inherent relativity of all human nature.
  The unconscious emotional security structures, built into an ego by the Soul when coming into its current life, are in this case defined by the need to be in relationships in order to feel fulfilled and complete.  This will eventually lead to the completion of the self through relationships with others, which will itself lead to uniting that self with others.  Thus, the lessons of a Pluto Seventh House Soul will eventually lead to an equal participation through true balance in many differing types of relationships, with the Soul learning along the way to be neither subservient nor dominant.

  A downfall within this particular archetype is the possibility of an involvement in too many relationships, being subjected to too many differing viewpoints, which can lead to the opposite intent, which is that of a Soul losing touch with its own unique individuality.  Unfortunately, this could also possibly lead to a compulsive dependence on the opinions and advice of others, and may even in extreme cases lead to the Soul's substitution of the understandings of others concerning their own self and life-purpose as its own.  This would then lead to the inability of the Soul to relate to itself without relating to others, and so a feeling of being uncomfortable while being alone will arise.  An additional downfall of this type of dependence can be a subconscious attraction to powerful and stable individuals who will provide direction and life-purpose to the confused Soul.


  The core evolutionary intent for a Soul in the current life is reflected in the Pluto Polarity Point, which for a Seventh House Pluto is to be found within the First House.  Thus, the current evolutionary intent is for the individual to learn how to choose their own life directions without dependence upon opinions or consent of others, and thus meet its own needs without reliance upon others.  This does not imply the individual becoming a loner or living without a close relationship, but instead indicates that they should learn how to be alone and make their own decisions in order to more fully develop their own unique individuality.  These Souls will thus be required to balance the need for time alone with the need for time spent with others.
  Within their personal intimate relationships, they will also learn not to control or block their partner's own need to initiate decisions, and this will require the Soul to learn to conduct relationships in new, and not in expected, ways.  This not only requires the individual to support a partner's independence, but the partner must also learn to reciprocally support independence in the individual.  Voluntary participation within the relationship in a mutually dependent way will thus encourage inter-pendence and not co-dependence with both of the partners. 
  The individual will learn to give to the other so the others' needs can be met, and, when a true balance in the relationship is achieved, the partner will also give freely back to the individual so that their own needs can thus be met as well. 

  Thus, as these lessons are learned, these individuals will be very giving people, able to easily identify the needs of the other within the context of the others' own realities, and thus provide exactly what the others' need.  Additionally, they will come to learn the lesson of when to give and when not to give in the context of the larger view of the specific evolutionary needs of others.
  The lessons of the First House Pluto Polarity Point will lead the individual to learn to be inwardly balanced in any external situation, and so have a firmer grasp upon their own identity, even in the face of pressure from other outside viewpoints, values, beliefs, or even ideas.  These lessons will also lead to the individual truly appreciating the complex diversity of human nature, and, through realizing their own unique individuality, they will be able to place that individuality within the context of human society.  They will thus themselves give this conceptual lesson to others through their own living example, the concept of which is that every individual does on their own have the ability to discover who they are, and additionally the courage to THEN BE THAT.

  Very, very good Stephen !!!

   RAd

[Gypsie]

Hi there,
First time on this board. Hope it's not too late to jump in for chart practice!
Gypsie

[stephen]

Hi Stephan,

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  No, this is not correct. Any 7th House Pluto , prior to the current life, has defined itself RELATIVE TO BEING IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS. The intent has been to learn the 'relativity' of reality as a result, to realize that others have needs just as their own, and to learn to understand and see themselves objectively as a result.

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Hi Rad,

  Thanks for taking the time to help me with my understanding by reviewing this post.  I will definitely go back and re-read the application chapter, and see where my understanding strayed, and so embed the correct information concerning 7th House Pluto.

Blessings Be upon All Teachers,
Stephen

[stephen]

Hi there,
First time on this board. Hope it's not too late to jump in for chart practice!
Gypsie

Hi Gypsie,

 !Welcome to the Evolutionary Astrology Message Board!

 It is never too late, I am certain - your comments are absolutely welcome...

Blessings,
Stephen

[Rad]

Hi Gypsy,
Jump right on in if you wish. If you choose to do so please read Wolf's Pluto book to do so like in the example we are doing now with the 7th House Pluto. In other words read Pluto in the 7th in his book and then write what you wish after doing so just as Stephen did.
And WELCOME to our EA message board !

Rad

[Michelle]

Hello all,

New to this forum but not new to EA. Happy to be back! I would love to jump in but am limited in time. I will try later....

Peace,
Michelle

[mountainheather]

Hi All,
Thanks Stephen and Rad for keeping this thread, I expressed an interest but funnily my copy of Jeffrey's book has disappeared somewhere in my house...I've looked high and low, hmmmm, so I'm going to let go and just continue to read the threads, listen and learn, and also refer to Deva's book as we go. I do hope the threads continue. I learn so much from them. With gratitude, Heather.

[Linda]

7th House Pluto

The evolutionary impulse of the 7th house Pluto is relatively new.  They have been learning the following lessons:  

"¢   The development of social values
Through their involvement with a wide variety of people and exposure to diverse beliefs and values they are learning about their own true individuality through listening, comparison and evaluation.  They have a compulsive need to be involved in relationships, or to unite their lives with another, in order to feel whole.  Because of a compelling need to discover who they are through others, and through absorbing the different realities of others, they can become overly dependent on these sources as a means of defining themselves.    

"¢   Playing an equal role in relationships  
Because of the compulsive need to compare and discover who they are through others, they may become attracted to very powerful, self-assured people who they perceive hold all the answers and who can guide them.  In order to feel a validation of the self, they may play a submissive or "alter ego" role where they are dominated, controlled and manipulated by the other.  Since their own individuality is undeveloped, they attach to and become an extension of the other, and adopt the other's beliefs, views and values.  Alternatively, they could play the dominant role in the relationship making the partner become utterly dependent on them due to the learned ability to deeply understand the other's reality.  These roles can remain fixed or can interchange within the same relationship.  The imbalances, deficiencies and distortions in these types of relationships will produce internal and external confrontations, resulting in the termination of the relationship by either partner, or other cataclysmic events that bring about reflection and examination of the difficulties.

"¢   Inner balance  
Due to the nature of the 7th house Pluto, these people are not balanced by nature;  they usually approach relationships with expectations that are projected onto the partner.  They may have an inability to receive due to their own distortions or unmet needs from the past.  They realize they have a need to be needed, and a need to give.  They learn that by giving to another, their own needs get fulfilled.  In this way, they are developing their own inner balance.

"¢   Relationship skills  
These individuals are learning how to relate to others in a balanced way:  how to give, how to receive, how to listen, when to give, when not to give, how to give to another what they need, how to give unconditionally, how to understand one's own needs, how to minimize dependencies.  They are learning how to attract relationships that are equal, balanced, non-dependent and non-manipulative.  

"¢   Full development of individuality  
As the polarity is developed, these individuals progressively learn that the answers lie within themselves, dependencies on others are minimized, they seek relationships that are equal, they learn to trust in their own decisions, they appreciate alone-time, they become self-motivating, and their individuality is embraced and courageously expressed.

[Rad]

Hi Linda,
You have done a excellent job with this.

Rad

[Gypsie]

Hi there,
I have a chart of a 7th house pluto person. I don't necessarily see all the traits of the 7th house Pluto in this person as he was more of a loner. Maybe this person was just starting the learn the 7th house lesson or at the end of the lesson? Would it be OK to post the chart and look at it?
Gypsie

[Rad]

Hi Gypsie,

Please do ............

Rad

[Gypsie]

Here it is. Tha'ts my father's chart. He would be 85year old. He passed away in May. He was born and raised in France.
Gypsie.

[Rad]

Hi Gypsie,
For the purposes of this thread I would like you to provide some biographical information about your father, and within that your own estimation of his evolutionary condition: i.e. consensus, individuated, etc.

Rad