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[Rad]

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No. She would not be integrating in a dependent mode at all. She would, indeed, be full of herself: Venus in Leo in the 9th House, trine the 5th House N.Node in ARIES.

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Because Pluto is in the 12th House, most of these dynamics have been and will continue to be unsatisfying: basically, they have had the intention to make her advance in her evolutionary journey through the individuated condition. From the point of view of her egocentric identities, ie. the personas she has created, she will not understand why she feels unsatisfied (Pluto in the 12th House, semisextile to the SN; Pluto in the 12th House relative to the aspects of the Nodes rulers with the Nodes and the aspects of the Nodes/their rulers to Pluto). Neither will she understand why others manifest anger at her, or why she feels a deep guilt she cannot relate to anything she has ever done (the inconjunct between Pluto in the 12th House and Mars in the 7th House). At her evolutionary stage she would still need to exhaust separating desires by means of accomplishing something very special and unique on behalf of society: something done on behalf of others, even serving true needs of others, though done in her own terms, as an expression of her own knowledge and creativity (NN in the 5th House, ruler in the 7th House). Hence, she will interpret criticism from others from the point of view of maintaining her superiority (SN ruler in the 9th House Leo, NN in the 5th House, relative to Pluto in the 12th House). In a sense, this is necessary, because she has an evolutionary need for independence, to independently actualize her creativity (NN in Aries in the 5th House). She may attract persecution from others, as a consequence of her over-investment in her egocentric purposes (Pluto in the 12th House, the inconjunct between Pluto and Mars). And she would also attract other individuals who are equally or more self-centered and determined as she is (NN in the 5th Aries, ruler in the 7th).

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She would interpret any potential criticism of her as PROJECTIONS from others who do not actually understand who she is, projections that are rooted in their own psychology. Thus, she will understand the  anger coming at her based on this fact. These projections will indeed hurt her, Venus square the 12th House Pluto, because she feels within herself that she has been as honest with others as she possibly can be. She will also feel that she has tried to give to others what they need: S.Node in Libra in the 11th that is trine her 7th House Mars. For some others that was never enough because some others have been so insecure within their own realities that it manifested as a kind of bottomless pit: Venus in Leo, square the Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th, inconjuncting the 7th House Mars.

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The reason for this is that she has overly identified with just an aspect or dynamic within herself, in order to feel secure, instead of facing the abyss that lies beneath and, at the same time, she has set in motion the dynamics that, at certain points, will produce the necessary realizations that there is something more.

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No. She has not overly identified with one or another aspect of herself. Quite the contrary. She has spent lifetimes trying to understand and actualize every aspect of herself. This is why she has needed the freedom to do so. It is in fact the knowing that there is always something more that has fueled her desires for actualization, and the freedom necessary to do so.

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These dynamics will include confrontations with others who are more powerful than she is and crises and disillusionment in personal relationships (Pluto in the 12th House, the inconjunct between Pluto and Mars in the 7th House). Some of these crises in personal relationships would have karmic reasons based on her prior manipulations and partings (Venus square Pluto). Many of these relationships would imply re-meeting people with whom she has been involved in the past, in which something has been left unresolved (the aspects between Mars and Pluto and between Mars and the SN).

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The confrontations she has had with others are, again, those whom have tried to limit her, control her, manipulate her for their own needs and reasons: Venus in Leo square the 12 House Pluto. She has been very clear in her reality with others, and what has been possible , and what not. The disillusionment that you are referring too are rooted in others dishonesty, of wanting to believe in the best within others to the point of being naive, and then being hurt and disillusioned by certain others because they were not being honest. Thus, this will be an ongoing lesson for her Soul: to evaluate, S.Node in Libra in the 11th, the 7th House Mars in Gemini, and the Venus square her Pluto, 9th to 12th, as others actually are at the moment of the meeting between her and whomever. Her Soul is the kind of Soul that can 'see' the potential of another Soul, and who the Soul naturally is within itself, and then naturally expects..S.Node in Libra, the 7th House Mars, the Venus square the Pluto .. others to be that.

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These experiences will induce the necessary awareness of core feelings of unsatisfaction and futility, and of the reasons for these feelings, which are rooted in the avoidance of a consistent commitment to her Soul reality, ie. what is real for her at a Soul level versus maintaining dreams and illusions. She would also face the limits of her personal power which would induce learning of humility and of compassion (the aspect between Mars and Pluto).

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In her current life, she would produce many of these dynamics in her biological family: a core alienation of her parents, double bind communication, their detachment from emotional reality, which would operate in dissociation with their rationally constructed identities. She would very likely experience sexual abuse (Mars in the 7th Gemini ruling the NN in Aries, and the Yod formed by the NN, Mars and  Pluto), as a reflection of her own subconscious desire to be consumed by forces she cannot control, and her resistance to consciously pursuing such desire. It would also occur as a reflection of her curiosity, including sexual curiosity, leading to all type of emotional and sexual experiences promoting the awareness of forces moving beneath the surface of things. Such experience would be very shocking for her, would trigger her prior detachment response, and she would naturally want to leave her home. This could promote her approach in the direction of the PPP in Taurus, ie. self-reliance; though, it may also lead her to replay her manipulation abilities and to create dependent relationships (the past-SN Libra) by presenting an innocent, naïve and needy persona, this allowing her to leave her home through becoming dependent on other relationship.

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No. There is nothing in the paradigm that we are working with that implicates the parents in anyway, certainly not in the way you have put it here.

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For further evolution to proceed, she needs to embrace the PPP in the 6th House Taurus. This implies finding the adequate means to observe and analyze herself in order to discover what her motivations and desires are on an ongoing basis. This would allow her to detect her compulsive needs and dependency on external sources such as the validation or acclaim from others, her dynamics of identifying with and representing only a part of herself and thus, to embrace the totality of her Soul instead of her socially individualized and sophisticated persona, ie. to identify her Soul as her symbol of transformative power. She would also be able to face and discover the nature of her fears, phobias and addictions, instead of being controlled by them (fear of intimacy and commitment; fear of being alone; fear of crowds; potentially claustrophobia, agoraphobia, cyclic sex addiction"¦). Further, it would allow her to discriminate what people she needs to get involved with (PPP in the 6th House Taurus, and the quincunx between Pluto and Mars). She would need to relate to others who accept relating to her in her terms, ie. "this is who I am, this is what I need" (the sextile between Mars and Venus), though, her self-definition would refer to who she really is at a Soul level and what her real needs are thereof.

In order to fully commit to her Soul reality she would need to rely on a belief system explaining the nature of life at a Soul level, versus operating with ever shifting beliefs and values depending on the subconscious desires she is acting out (Pluto in the 12th House, PPP in Taurus, ruler in the 9th House). By embracing the PPP, she would also be able to link her knowledge and creativity to relevant social needs regardless of any external acclaim or grandiosity (PPP in the 6th). These lessons would lead her through the 3rd stage individuated condition and further into the spiritual state.

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You need to reconsider the Pluto polarity point statements after reading what has been written above ................

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Rad

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

I've been trying to wrap my head around the inconjunct. It's something I learned a lot about in the last practice chart- though I still have difficulty really knowing it.

I decided I'm going to give it a shot and from there make adjustments according to your feedback. In Gratitude,
Ari Moshe

Prior to this life, there have been great trauma that lead to complete loss of self/confusion around who she is, and what her purpose was. The nature of this Trauma has to do with communities that she was a part of- these communities in particular were subject to immense racial and religious persecution (sn in 11th, ruler in 9th- squaring pluto in 12th).

The role that she has played in these communities was as a leader, a tribal leader, a spiritual leader, a soul that has been devoted to helping others. She has developed the capacity to listen to other people's needs, and to know what their core truth is. She has also had positions within her community through which she would synthesize various ideas and communicate them to the group. She has also been a spokesperson for her people. All this is indicated by the sn in Libra in the 11th, ruled and sextiled by Venus in Leo in the 9th. Thus the way she has come to listen and hear her own needs has been through feeling herself to be special, and to have an important message to communicate that relates to supporting her community/way of life that is innately different than the status quo.

The trauma came from the projections of other people as to the nature of who she, and her people are. This has lead to a loss of her culture, and thus the feeling of having lost her sense of worth (venus in leo in the 9th squaring pluto in scorpio in the 12th). her values have been raped- which included her natural, inclusive spirituality/philosophy- and she was in the end left powerless- very small and vulnerable- when it came to the traumas that took place.

This has lead to a very impassioned sense of purpose- whereby she has sought to help as many people as she can. We see that she was highly passionate about her social purpose. She has devoted herself to it- However, she lacked the discrimination (12th house) as to who to help and who not to help. There has been a need for her to learn how to adjust her desire to serve with a truly objective ear for other people that allowed her to naturally discern who to help and who not to help- and when (inconjunct libra in the 11th house).

Her core pattern was one of dissociation- in which she would tune into the needs of others, the needs of the community and devote herself to fulfilling it by playing an important social role. All the while, undressed anger and personal loss would ensue within her. This in effect made her emotionally unavailable on a human being to her partners/her friends.

I can envision that she has attracted to herself two kinds of partners. The first kind being those who sought to undermine her natural wisdom of people's innate individuality- her natural knowledge of psychology and human needs. These would be people that were highly egocentric and obsessed with their own ideas. She would naturally listen and seek to understand these point of views as best as she could.

The other kind of partner would be the one who had no answers and would become dependent on her for guidance. Both relationship situations create the same dynamic: one in which she is adjusting completely to fit the needs of the other person. The underlying motivation behind that is her need to be needed (libra south node) linked with a desire to merge with an ultimate good (inconjunct 12th house). She would put way too much energy into the wrong people.

There's more that I want to go into about just this first part- but I want to make sure I'm on the right track before I go too far. Thank you so much!

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

"Prior to this life, there have been great trauma that lead to complete loss of self/confusion around who she is, and what her purpose was. The nature of this Trauma has to do with communities that she was a part of- these communities in particular were subject to immense racial and religious persecution (sn in 11th, ruler in 9th- squaring pluto in 12th)."

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There has been great trauma, yes, but that has not correlated with a complet loss of self/confusion around who she has been/is. These types of traumas have lead to the ongoing questions deep within her Soul as to WHY these traumas have occurred: the reasons for them. And this is at the heart of her own ongoing evolutionary journey relative to the nature and difference between man made laws/ beliefs, and the 'realities' they create, and that which is natural, Natural Laws, created by the Creator, the realities that this creates. This has all served her Soul purpose in understanding the stark differences between the two. So it's not a matter of her being confused about who she is, has been, as it has been to coming to terms of how and why peoples, and herself, who have tried to live in natural ways become dominated and destroyed by those who do not. This is very consistent with her evolutionary background: coming through the 2nd Stage individuated in which she has desired to rebel against all the artificial/ consensus held beliefs that have been generated by humans: the S.Node in the 11th, ruler in the 9th in Leo, square the Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th. This is of course compounded by the ruler of her N.Node being in Gemini in the 7th and inconjunct her Pluto in the 12th, and the N.Node itself inconjunct that Pluto. These symbols correlate to a Soul who has purposefully chosen to be born into groups of people who have been persecuted by larger forces that they could not control: the double inconjucts to that Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th, and, again, that Pluto forming a square to her Venus in Leo in the 9th, the ruler of her S.Node. So rather having a sense of personal confusion about all this it is more about a Soul who ends up with their fist against the sky, pumping up and down, 'why, why is this happening'. And the anger that comes from the fundamental injustice, 7th House Mars inconjuncting her Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th, the S.Node in Libra.

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"Her core pattern was one of dissociation- in which she would tune into the needs of others, the needs of the community and devote herself to fulfilling it by playing an important social role. All the while, undressed anger and personal loss would ensue within her. This in effect made her emotionally unavailable on a human being to her partners/her friends."

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There would indeed be cycles of emotional detachment leading to be unavailable to her partners. But there would also be cycles in which she would be totally emotionally available depending on the nature of circumstances at any given moment. Moments in which she could 'let her guard' down. This is a reflection of her Venus in Leo sextiling her Mars in Gemini in the 7th, trining her N.Node in the 5th, and of course it's square to Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th.

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"I can envision that she has attracted to herself two kinds of partners. The first kind being those who sought to undermine her natural wisdom of people's innate individuality- her natural knowledge of psychology and human needs. These would be people that were highly egocentric and obsessed with their own ideas. She would naturally listen and seek to understand these point of views as best as she could."

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Yes, and this would also include her evolved knowledge, coming through the 2nd Stage individuated, of how grouping of people work together: of how each person within the Whole is necessary to that whole. Thus, she would have a very keen intuition of how each individual fit into a group, for the benefit of that group. And, of course, at times the ego's of certain others would attempt to conflict with her relative to their own egocentric sense of self importance.

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Very good start Ari ..........................


Rad

[ari moshe]

[ari moshe]

Thank you Rad,
I've been writing and writing- but the inconjuncts still don't make sense to me. So I'm going to just focus on the Pluto sn relationship first, then add the ruler and other aspects once I understand this...

First, is a semi sextile and inconjunct the thing- however the semi sextile only referring to the 30 degree elongation?

Second- I don't know if I'm interpreting this accurately:
In Pluto 1, pg 261, JWG writes about the semi sextile that involves Pluto, "The emergence or formation of a conscious and egocentric identification with the new evolutionary purpose or cycle. Random action narrows as the individual begins to sense specific directions or experiences that will allow realization or discovery of what the new evolutionary purpose or cycle is about."

She has Pluto semi sextile the sn. That indicates a couple things.
The familiarity, on an egocentric level (sn) that the soul has established with it's evolutionary intention is still relatively new. Her soul has thus created an identity that has engaged in many different projects and experiences for itself within her community/social causes and relationships (sn in Libra in 11th)- in order to find the right path/purpose for her to completely devote herself to (Pluto in the 12th).

The other thing that it indicates to me, I think, is that it implies a relationship that is yet unrefined. There has been frustration for this soul as the intent to devote herself to a transcendent cause has been constantly met by crisis (semi sextile?) in which she is time and time again disempowered by the powers that be. This has created a great tension whereby has often dissociated and checked out whenever she has been faced with any threat from someone who doesn't understand who she is. A paranoia that leaves her, for a time being, almost catatonic.
Thank you

[Rad]

Hi Ari,

"First, is a semi sextile and inconjunct the thing- however the semi sextile only referring to the 30 degree elongation?"

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No, they are not the same thing. In JWG's second Pluto book there is a complete discription of the aspects and the phases they take place within. Please refer to this so that you more fully understand all aspects in the CONTEXT OF THE PHASES they take place within.

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"Second- I don't know if I'm interpreting this accurately:
In Pluto 1, pg 261, JWG writes about the semi sextile that involves Pluto, "The emergence or formation of a conscious and egocentric identification with the new evolutionary purpose or cycle. Random action narrows as the individual begins to sense specific directions or experiences that will allow realization or discovery of what the new evolutionary purpose or cycle is about.

She has Pluto semi sextile the sn. That indicates a couple things.
The familiarity, on an egocentric level (sn) that the soul has established with it's evolutionary intention is still relatively new. Her soul has thus created an identity that has engaged in many different projects and experiences for itself within her community/social causes and relationships (sn in Libra in 11th)- in order to find the right path/purpose for her to completely devote herself to (Pluto in the 12th)."

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Yes, it is a semi-sexitle to her Pluto, yet, at the same time, Venus, the ruler of that Node, is in a last quarter square to that Pluto, the N.Node is in a waning inconjunct to her Pluto, and Mars, the ruler of that Node is in a waning inconjunct to her Pluto, and the rulers of both Nodes are in a Crecent Phase to one another. All of this correlates to many lives already lived relative to the core intentions of her Soul symbolized in the total paradigm.

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"The other thing that it indicates to me, I think, is that it implies a relationship that is yet unrefined. There has been frustration for this soul as the intent to devote herself to a transcendent cause has been constantly met by crisis (semi sextile?) in which she is time and time again disempowered by the powers that be. This has created a great tension whereby has often dissociated and checked out whenever she has been faced with any threat from someone who doesn't understand who she is. A paranoia that leaves her, for a time being, almost catatonic."

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The 'transcendent' cause has been rooted in the archetype of JUSTICE for people in general, and as individuals. This is  the meaning of the S.Node in Libra, the ruler of her N.Node in the 7th House. And justice here correlates to what is NATURALLY RIGHT AND WRONG relative to the Natural Laws created by God: this is seen  via her S.Node ruler in the 9th House in Leo which, of course, is also sextiling the ruler of her N.Node in the 7th. The crisis's result when violations to those Natural Laws occur, and become the basis of her Soul sense of being disillusioned when those Natural Laws are violated. The very essence of her Soul's journey symbolized in the paradigm is all revovling around BELIEFS and ways of understanding the nature of Creation itself. And, yes, there have already been many lifetimes in which she and the group of people that she has belonged too have been crushed by 'the powers that be'. And, yes, there have been times in which this has left her in an almost catatonic like state. And, yet, relative to her Soul intentions this has been necessary in order to understand the core intentions of her Soul: to come to terms with, and to understand, the difference between man made beliefs, and the consequences of that, versus the Natural Laws set in motion by the Creator, and how people who live in accordance with those laws, then live and are are orientated to one another.


Rad

[Bradley J]

Rad,
Checking in.  I plan to finish the rereads and hope to post in a few days.  This time I'll be reading the previous posts first and building off of everything I know at that point.

Blessings,
Bradley

[Dhyana]

Hello Rad, All,

I had mentioned before that I was going to work on this practice chart -- and I wanted to apologize for not being able to do so.

I have been going through a major upheaval & transition with the way I use my time --and I am not yet clear on what is occurring & why  I cannot seem to structure my time well (perhaps transiting Uranus in  Pisces in my first house with Natal Saturn, and/or transiting Saturn in H8 Libra ...hmmm ?).  This has been an issue my entire life, but seems, at this time, it is the most intense ever, & SO IN MY FACE!

Basically, I am sorry I have not been able to do this chart at this time after saying I would.

Please accept my apologies.

In the future, I will not say I can join in with practice charts unless I am sure I can fufill it.

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Lovingly,
Dhyana

[Bradley J]

   This is a soul who comes into this life from series of lifetimes in which she has asked "˜why, why, why?' in order to reach a meaning of life that transcends all man made religions and the limits of other people's egocentric opinions and perspectives.  (pluto scorpio 12th)  This has been a very strong desire, and at times obsessive and compulsive in finding the deeper/transcendent meaning of existence.  Merging with the abyss of the unknown to come back with pearls of ultimate truth.  Based on just leaving the middle individuated evolutionary stage, this soul has begun to realized these ultimate truths through the lens of a dissolving individualized perspective.  In the beginning of the second stage of individuated this search for ultimate meaning was experienced in the cyclic dissolving of lenses of perception that were actually rooted in the influence of consensus paradigms.  Though this process, she realized gradually, at a soul level, who she was as an individual - what the ultimate meaning of life was to herself as an individual.  (just evol. stage and pluto)
   Now that her soul has evolved through the mid individuated stage, she knows the ultimate meaning of who she was as an individual....that is the past.  For her evolution to progress, she will grow and evolve her individual perspective of the ultimate meaning of existence though experiences of establishing a role in her society that is in line with these self realized core values.  (above relative to ppp)
   How has she reached the ultimate truth of who she is as an individual?  By repeatedly casting off and freeing herself from all the various opinions, perspectives and viewpoints  which she realized were not ultimate truth, and therefor were realized to be limiting, inhibiting inner freedom.  (sn libra 11th)  How did she realize that something was not coming from a pure source that transcended space and time?  She has formed relationships over many lifetimes with individuals who were proudly crusading their versions of reality-individuals who taught based on beliefs which were willfully expressed.(sn ruler venus leo 9th)  There were a wide variety of these types of "˜relationships' over so many lifetimes.  Putting relationships in quotes because the definition of relationship here is not simply in the context of friend, rather both extremes of friend and foe were experienced. (sn libra & ruler square pluto, and mars gemini 7th inconjunct pluto)  For example, in one case she would have been in a fringe group which existed outside the cultural norm of beliefs and "˜way of life'; in this group she became extremely close(pluto-venus) to a charismatic leader who was very creative in the ways that they expressed the beliefs of the subgroup.(venus leo 9th)  She would have had inner crisis in belief triggered by this relationship as she realized that even in her own small circle there existed an element within their paradigm that simply did not resonate at a core level as "˜ultimate truth', or whatever words she would have had for the deeper meaning to life(not in an exclusively spiritual sense of course-individuated)   In reaction to this, she would have had intense confrontation-philosophical argument of sorts(venus pluto square).  At certain times, this leader would project betrayal.  She would detach and liberate from these relationships(sn libra 11), and at other times even feel like an outcast/outsider of the group that was on the outside already.  She would experience great crisis in belief(venus 9th waning square pluto) also because simultaneously she would have still had casual relationships with individuals within the "˜other' class/group/culture of peoples which her  small group would have removed itself from.  Yet, the individuals that she had casual acquaintances with in the consensus group revealed the hypocritical beliefs that were proudly dawned by both sides of reality being represented - that is the consensus majority and the leaders of the rebel subculture were both discovered to have flaws in there philosophy and approach to life(mars gemini 7th trine sn relative to venus pluto). 
   IN another example, as discussed by Rad previous, we would also know that this signature would represent her own group needing to liberate from the current "˜ruling class' in power.  This crisis in belief could have been triggered, for example, as a group deciding to step outside the norm of the practiced consensus religion.  In many cultures even today sadly, the cost of a woman to not obey the decrees given power and willfully followed by the religious leaders of the time is high, even risking ones life.  Hence, the natural story-line of a group exodus experience unfolds here.  This leads into the many new relationships, the increased exposure of many different viewpoints and perspectives and life philosophies and religions and paradigms as she alone or with a group had traveled from there homeland.   Relative to the south node being in libra in the 11th, the actual detaching from the culture of birth would have been at times quite extreme.  This relative to the venus in leo in the 9th, at times she herself, in her inner relationship to herself, would place the newfound philosophy and beliefs at the the top of the pyramid.  Suddenly, in this extreme way, everything else is shed away, including the relationships to others who believed in the old way.  This extreme action may not have even been out of judgement toward the other way, rather it is simply her placing her newfound beliefs that suddenly resonate so much more as the number one priority. So, then she would surround herself with many new peoples who also believe this way.  Yet(venus square pluto) this action triggers an inner crisis of belief - ultimately, it doesn't make sense to her to do this. 
   And then once again she reaches the point of realizing another dimension of existence which the beliefs she was so proud of no longer "˜gel' with the new realizations.  And so on this cycle would have been going on for some many lifetimes now.  Sometimes it is her and her own inner relationship to the beliefs she holds, other times it is a subgroup in relation to the ruling religious elite, other times it was tension caused by her relationship to one individual within her own circle, etc.   
   Another piece to hold in this signature is the fact that venus, ruler of south node trines the north node and mars as ruler of the north node is also sextile the north node.  So, based on this, we know that she has made efforts toward realizing the pluto polarity point - her current life's evolutionary path.  Yet, as has been discussed previous, pluto is indeed in a waning inconjunct to both mars and the north node.  This means that mars and the north node are both in a waxing semi-sextile to the pluto polarity point.  In laypersons terms, What is this crisis that she faced in past lives as she just started to realize the pluto polarity point?  First, look at this tension with leo 9th to the pluto scorpio 12th:  how does this "˜I WILL' jive with the aligning one's existence with transcendent meaning?  For this soul specifically, this in combination with the north node in aries 5th inconjunct pluto scorpio 12th, she is having a crisis of going beyond realizing a social purpose resonate with her core values(ppp) because it is a series of repeated lessons of adjusting what she can and can not do within the relative culture.  She realizes and embraces a creative purpose, she has the courage to initiate this purpose into her life(nn aries 5th)  such that it will serve a useful, meaningful, and helpful function in community(relative to ppp taurus 6th)....BUT then she has this crisis - "so and so"  is asking her to do this(mars gemini 7th), but "˜this' is just not in the vision of her purpose; the tasks she discovers that go along with the work do not actually resonate with her core values nor are in line with the purpose she is having the guts to initiate(waxing semi-sextile of mars and nn to ppp)  So, she learns to narrow the course of action that was envisioned with her newfound purpose.(waxing semi-sextile mars/nn to ppp)  Major "˜wet blanket' effect here:  she experienced this crisis on the social level of what she can and can not do, then sees she is going to need to narrow the scope of her vision and purpose, yet to narrow this triggers a huge inner crisis because the work would then not be so liberating, not an authentic expression of herself, and not seemingly in line with the ultimate meaning by which she desires to live her life.  "How can I submerge herself into such an experience?"  she asks herself.  So, does she learn the lessons of social humility and continue on with the work? (pluto inconjunct waning to mars and nn)  Or, is there much more security in falling back to the south node libra 11th - this, relative to ppp is waxing inconjunct, so we see that the extreme response of detaching from, liberating from the relationships thru which she discovered she need to narrow her scope and vision( mars gemini 7th) ---that is to say when she did react to such experiences in this librian 11th house fashion, she then experienced the personal humility lesson of "˜giving up' the job she started.  This also carries potential for guilt and self masochistic response ( sn waxing inconjunct to ppp). 
   All of her many relationships (venus leo 9th and mars gemini 7th) have allowed her to discover and learn to intuit her own purpose; have assisted her in ideas in how she can begin the purpose she felt called to ( mars gemini 7th sextile nn aries 5th).  Her exposure to so many peoples in many lands have brought her great diversity of life paths, potentials, perspectives and approaches.  ( venus leo 9th as sn ruler libra 11 in trine to nn)   So, we know that soo so much of her past has set up her current life such that there is, on one hand, "˜the sky's the limit' type of approach to the potentialities of manifesting and beginning her life's purpose.  Yet, on the other hand, she also carries, at a conscious and subconscious level, the memories of this life and other lives in which her "˜plans were foiled' - which she may know is actually a projected frustration.  Or the "˜wind was taken out of her sails' syndrome in which the crisis of actually staying in a specific social function, to be rooted in one simple serving job ( ppp taurus 6th) is one of the big trigger of crisis in this life.  As stated earlier, it is responded to as limiting (taurus) to one who identifies with so much freedom.  Once she sees this role/purpose as limiting, she can not picture herself submersed in this type of work.(pluto scorpio 12/ppp)  It, the work, no longer has deep meaning to her.
   The rest of the chart would reveal whether this dynamic would be lessened or intensified.  Swinging back to the detach and caste off (sn) from the "˜limiting relationships' in order to find work of deeper meaning, we see this momentum between 12th/11th and 5th/6th.  That is to say, she needs, in order to progress evolutionary, to initiate her own creative purpose, to take all the so many ideas she has collected (sn libra 11) and act on them.  Relative to venus leo 9th, finding one belief/philosophy which is "˜the one' above all would only help the creative actualization of her new purpose, but because that venus is square to pluto scorpio 12 which is in that waning inconjunct to the nn aries 5th, her own sense of inflated self importance in believing in her "˜own' purpose triggers this crisis in what to believe - how to approach this same purpose with a sense of social humility is what the lesson ends up being.


Evolutionary Path and Journey in this life:

   We do know that her father will play an important role in this lifetime as someone who will truly support her own self discovery of her life path/purpose.(nn aries 5th)  We would see that, growing up, through her father's friends she will get exposure to many different individuals and lifestyles.(nn ruler mars gemini 7th)  We also know that her father would certainly be supportive of the freedom she needs to "˜find herself'(sn aries 5th-ruler in 7th trine sn libra 11th)   He would be accepting and supportive of her "˜different' friends and to others acting as role models and mentors to her. (nn trine sn ruler venus 9th)  Basically, he would not be threatened by others imparting knowledge, different viewpoints to her.  He would know that she would "˜think for herself' and would recognize the pattern within her of wanting to learn from others ways of living but also having an inner struggle with the hypocrisy that comes out of over inflated ego and self righteous individuals. 
   Prior to her first Saturn return, she would naturally not be ready to really narrow down the scope of work focus.  She needs to get all the traveling and exposure to other ways out of her system, so to speak.  Part of this would be the resolving of past life relationship karma.  The people whom she meets along her journeys would often be key individuals who she way in relationship to in her previous lives.  These people, again would be triggers of her "˜crisis in belief'.  There is an immediate attraction to these karmic connections - a very strong pull to connect with the person as they would be very    familiar.  She would naturally want to know why their meeting evokes such strong feelings inside her.  Part of her would desire to discover more about this connection - natural curiousity instinct, while part of herself would remain detached.  Some of these connections will trigger very strong repulsion inside her.  Some of this will be coming from her disgust with the arrogance and pride that the other has in "˜their way' - she knows that their way is not the only way.  In fact, it becomes more and more obvious to her that this high minded, self inflated type is just plain wrong because of the fact they do put themselves on top. 
   Not all these past karmic relationships would be of this nature of course.  Some of these connections would be instant feelings of immense love for a "˜complete stranger'.  It becomes obvious that they share a common bond.  These types of attractions are to individuals that played key roles in her karmic past to help her begin to self actualize and discover her own creative powers and talents.(sn ruler venus leo 9th trine nn aries 5th)  In some of these scenarios, we would see the venus square pluto play out in a different type of way - where in the silence of the morning the deeper sensing of what she is to do next with her life would bring the conscious realization that this relationship will only be temporary in her life.  The winds of change will blow and she knows deep within it will be time to move on and they will be distant friends in the future, yet forever close at heart.  Kindred spirits rejoined for a brief spell.
   As she passes her first Saturn return, the universe will send her messages that it is now time to begin to narrow the scope of her relationships and projects(semi-sextile of nn and mars to ppp)  As stated earlier, this will be one of the dynamics of her life crises.  Also, if we look at the symbols here, besides the needed adjustments and potentially percieved "˜loss of freedom' by making some of these bigger career choices, she also has an internal struggle with the selfishness in which she is called to have - by this, I mean that the aries/leo archetypes combined are so self centered and self focused, where she is comfortable being more detached and listening and conseling.  It is no longer about going with the flow, she is being called to really engage her life path and dive in, initiate and get things moving.  Pluto, place of unconscious security, inconjunct to this and in scorpio, triggers crisis.  She is more comfortabel merging into the power of groups, philosophy.  Here, to proceed on her evolutionary path, she needs to be self centered, to focus attention on herself, what she is doing. Sitting and chatting over tea is not this path, unless the conversations therein bring discoveries of ways that other people will assist her to manifest her denstiny. 
   I have a question:  What is this dynamic that will go on inside her as she has experiences of feeling "˜social humiliating' situations in which she falls back to detaching from a service which she initially commits to? 
   The aries aspect here reveals she is likely to jump into a situation and not fully realize the ultimate meaning of the work experience.  We know she will at least have some experiences of this "˜pulling out of commitment'.  Inside she would know that it was for the right reasons, yet with this venus square pluto, there is sure to be tension in her relationships and certain others would likely have strong individual perspectives of her choices and try to influence her.  This may come from their own attachment and not wanting to see her leave the work.  Also, the fact that they may sense her own inner conflict deep within around what to really believe.
   So, the narrowing process and rooting into a service/work function in her life will prove to bring crisis, but why?  She is learning, thru this (evolutionary necessity) of what she ultimately can and can not do.  So, she is learning to intuitively make the needed choices with necessary discrimination.  As she learns this, she will also find herself settling into this "˜life work'.  The sybolism here makes me think of a production potter.
I'm trying to expand this archetype to other roles....hmmm


Rad,
I did read all of Gonzalo's and Ari Moshe's posts and your reply's, spent a lot of time with 8th/scorpio and pisces/12 chapters.  I did not yet fully reread the other chapters in their entirety. 
I really wanted to get out a start on this and know that there is still so much that can be expanded upon. 
Greatly appreciate all your feedback.
One question I did have that came up was this:
Knowing that we are talking about a woman and knowing that, so far in the chart there is not any major signifiers of recent gender switching, would it be true that the many recent lives that are relevant to this life were lived as a woman?

thanks,
Bradley

[Rad]

Hi Bradley,

You have done an very, very good job with this paradigm so far. One thing to remember or know is that her desire of lifetimes is to know and understand all that is Natural, natural laws, versus man made constructions that are the antithesis of Natural Laws. This then becomes the basis of rebelling against any system or person who represent 'beliefs' that are not in harmony with those Natural Laws.

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"I have a question:  What is this dynamic that will go on inside her as she has experiences of feeling "˜social humiliating' situations in which she falls back to detaching from a service which she initially commits to?"

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It is the dynamic of feeling to 'limited' by any given service or role that she has committed too ..

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"As she learns this, she will also find herself settling into this "˜life work'.  The sybolism here makes me think of a production potter.
I'm trying to expand this archetype to other roles....hmmm"

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No, not at all. It would be much more in alignment with working with whole group of people who were being treated as minorities by the dominate culture of birth. This could have many, many different possible manifestations. She would naturally orientate to any group of people whose 'natural rights', the rights born of the simple fact of being humans like all humans, were being violated by some other group of people who were violating those rights of such groups of people. Another possible manifestation would be defending the planet itself by way of environmental laws.

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"One question I did have that came up was this: Knowing that we are talking about a woman and knowing that, so far in the chart there is not any major signifiers of recent gender switching, would it be true that the many recent lives that are relevant to this life were lived as a woman"

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Yes, because this correlates with her Soul's ongoing experience of violations against all that is Natural, Natural Laws. Thus, being born as a women in male dominated times, the nature of the patriarchy, correlates with her Soul's desired experience in order to work to correcting these violations to all that is natural.

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Really good work Bradley. Bravo ...............

Rad

[Elen]

Hi Rad,
I have not been following this thread. I've been in a crisis ever since hearing someone say that Yogananda did not encourage astrology.  This along with my chronic concern that maybe I do more harm than good with astrology stopped me.  But I know from my own experience that astrology has helped me tremendously & I have grown thanks to this mb community.  I still have fears about harming others but I think that has to do with rejecting a gift rather than embracing it.  I also think Yogananda understood (understands) that there are different paths to the truth...

Anyway, I`d like to try my hand at this practice chart but I`d like to do it without reading through what others have written - see what I come up w/ on my own then take it from there.  I think this would be the best way for me to learn.  Would this be ok with you?  I will probably not get to it til the weekend.
Ellen

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

First both Yogananda and his guru Yukteswar said that any discipline can be abused and practiced by those unqualified to do so. Not just astrology. The warning or negative comments about astrology by them both were stated from that perspective. I would encourage you to read in Autobiography of a Yogi the chapter in that book called 'Outwitting The Stars'. There you will read the total context of these remarks, as well as other remarks about astrology. The quote from Yukteswar is indeed the bottom line in all of this. Here is that quote:

"A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his individual karma. His horoscope is a challenging portrait revealing his unalterable past and it's probable future results. But the natal chart can be rightly interpreted only by men of intuitive wisdom. These are few".

The very nature of Evolutionary Astrology comes from Yukteswar himself according to JWG. The entire paradigm of EA was given to him in a dream he had one night. All of it. JWG had been a disciple of the great Ramakrishna and even lived in his monasteries. One night he had a dream in which both Yogananda and Ramakrishna appeared to him. Ramakrishna pointed to Yogananda and told JWG to follow him now. Upon waking JWG went out and bought Yogananda's Autobiography Of A Yogi and read it at once. He then committed his Soul to God through his new guru Yogananda. Within two weeks of this he then received this dream from Yukteswar, who was a 'galatic' astrologer among other things, the dream that is now called Evolutionary Astrology. From that moment forwards JWG began teaching EA. And that teaching has reached Souls throughout the world. And it continues to do so.

As for you desire to try to do these practice charts again please feel free to do so. On the other hand I feel it would be benefical for you to in fact read through what has already been presented about the current paradigm that we are working with. The reason of course is that you are brand new to this work. Thus, learning about the nature of this paradigm will take time of course. And part of that learning can be accomplished by reading through what already has been presented so that we don't have to cover the same ground again. But, in the end, it's up to you.  If you want to try analyzing this paradigm without reading through what has already been presented then that's also fine with me.

Rad

[Elen]

Hi Rad,

Thank you very much for your reply.  I posted on a new thread a question I had in response to Sri Yukteswar's quote.

I'll do the chart.  Check what others have contributed.  Then modify.  Then post.  This will take longer.  For my learning process, it feels essential.  If I don't post b4 the group moves on, that will be ok.  I can start fresh with a new chart, but will still have learned through the process.

Thank you so much for this thread/opportunity and your instruction.  It is truly a gift to those of us learning.  And I am truly appreciative.

Peace,
Ellen

[Bradley J]

Rad,
Letting your response soak in, it is now so very clear that she would be involved with groups of people with the work she pioneers. (nn ruler mars gemini 7th trine sn libra 11) 
In fact, this very trine coupled with the sextile trines of the sn ruler to the north node and mars reveal that her capacity to work with groups of people would be a fruition condition of her past coming forward into this life's work.  Is this right?
Part of her crisis in belief would be being born once again into a patriarchal culture that is socially imprinting and conditioning her early life development.  So that, she would reach crisis as she matures until she reprograms and develops her own healthy sense of pride and passion surrounding her natural beliefs - without the support of a majority culture and without fully embracing a specific paradigm(evolutionary stage). 
She would have many friends and be very social by her very nature.  She would naturally be curious about people and their different perspectives, opinions, and life experiences and appreciate learning from that.  If fact, the discovery via learning through others (nn ruler mars gemini 7th) is initiated with ease as she naturally identifies with this humanitarian and broader perspective of life.(sn libra 11).  So, very often we see her talking, in conversations, discussions - her version of "˜talking shop' is about the imbalances of justice in the world, the inequalities that individuals and groups are facing, past, present and future.  Naturally, she would be visionary in regards to her forward thinking and ideas around solving the real issues(pluto scorpio) going on with peoples and group relationships in societies and cultures.(sn libra 11)  Also, as suggested earlier, she has a instinctual desire to discover more through other people - hence she is always learning more - fueling more ideas and perspectives on how to bring these injustices into balance (again 11 trine 7).  In the last post I had said: " Sitting and chatting over tea is not this path, unless the conversations therein bring discoveries of ways that other people will assist her to manifest her denstiny."  This was referring to her taking all these ideas and having the courage to run with it- set the vision in motion.  I wanted to revisit this here because as I thought and felt this out more, I said to myself/heard within:  "˜There is nothing wrong with her sitting and having tea and chatting, that is great.  What I was getting at is the difference of being detached about all the injustice in the world vs. getting fired up and passionate about it and doing something.  She needs, for the evolution of her soul to progress, to do something with all this deep knowing she has accumulated over so many lifetimes.
Rad, hearing your comment:  "Yes, because this correlates with her Soul's ongoing experience of violations against all that is Natural, Natural Laws. Thus, being born as a women in male dominated times, the nature of the patriarchy, correlates with her Soul's desired experience in order to work to correcting these violations to all that is natural. "  this makes so much sense now.  It is, for me, again one of those leaps of knowing that I'm learning to take the more I embrace and trust EA taught here.  Of course, we are talking about a woman, living as a woman many lifetimes  ON PLANET EARTH....and, on this planet the patriarchal dominance in cultures all over the world is exactly what has been going on over that last thousands of years.  So, of course, the inequality of women in any culture would reveal itself to her...and quite naturally - pluto scorpio 12 - wanting to know why - naturally being bold enough and courageous enough to ask those questions of others - mars gemini 7th.  This life and other lives(trine sn)  There is no lack of her discovering and knowing the truth of what she discovers.  Again, we go back to that north node aries in the 5th - and this relative to the ppp taurus 6th- again, meaning to initiate one of her many passionate causes and then meticuluously and painstakingly follow it though, to remain in service to it, to become it's foundation and rock from which it can grow and thrive - this is where her evolution lies.
I want to take a step over to the pluto in the 12th again.  She is going to need to have the down time, "˜me time', alone time, reflection time. 
So, there is the diving right into the passion thing, yet to also keep in mind and remember to maintain, even to work into the schedule(ppp), the necessary quite time. 
Rad, in your email reading you sent to me, you shared this concept of a soul(in this case "˜mine') being weary from lifetimes of so much "˜going on'.  Sitting with the assignment again, I began to see this to be true for her as well.  Would you say this to be true?  As a soul weary with lifetimes of intense encounters with the injustices of life in the patriarchal era on planet earth, she would naturally have to work to stay motivated.  There is effort needed to initiate her purpose in this life and it would feel like it is going to be a lot of work...and will be.
   Also, all this makes me consider part of her own "˜crisis in belief' is going to connect back to the fact that she is just entering the late individuated stage.  Pluto scorpio 12th and it's square to venus reveals that her deeper soul questions have been related to all human attempts to "˜capture' with a teaching, method, doctrine, and/or religion something that somehow explains and integrates the divine, spiritual, and transcendent dimensions of this reality.  And yet, she is not yet at an evolutionary stage where she would be fully embracing one specific spiritual path.  (the venus pluto square)  It feels like that is the challenge, part of it, that she will have all through this life-that is never having one "˜way' which she can simply embrace as her path.  Is this true?

I still desired to explore intimate relationships and more dynamics of the pluto 12th scorpio with this signature.  Also, do you have suggestions in continuing? 
I'll wait to see how I'm proceeded with this.

Many thanks,
Bradley

[Rad]

Hi Bradley,

"Rad, in your email reading you sent to me, you shared this concept of a soul(in this case "˜mine') being weary from lifetimes of so much "˜going on'.  Sitting with the assignment again, I began to see this to be true for her as well.  Would you say this to be true?  As a soul weary with lifetimes of intense encounters with the injustices of life in the patriarchal era on planet earth, she would naturally have to work to stay motivated.  There is effort needed to initiate her purpose in this life and it would feel like it is going to be a lot of work...and will be."

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Yes, this is very true. Indeed it is on ongoing lesson of many lifetimes that is carried into this one. The lesson is one of balance between all the various external activities of her life, with necessary down time. This seen of course by her S.Node in Libra with it's ruler Venus square her Pluto. It is seen with her Mars in the 7th House in Gemini inconjunct her Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th. When this necessary balance does not occur then the extremes of behavior, alternating between intense almost non-stop external activities with total collapse as a reaction to that, will manifest a various physical problems associated with the adrenals, central nervous system, the sciatic nerves, kidneys and urinary tract, and entire digestive tract starting with the pancreas will occur. And that would occur in order to enforce the necessary down time.

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   "Also, all this makes me consider part of her own "˜crisis in belief' is going to connect back to the fact that she is just entering the late individuated stage.  Pluto scorpio 12th and it's square to venus reveals that her deeper soul questions have been related to all human attempts to "˜capture' with a teaching, method, doctrine, and/or religion something that somehow explains and integrates the divine, spiritual, and transcendent dimensions of this reality.  And yet, she is not yet at an evolutionary stage where she would be fully embracing one specific spiritual path.  (the venus pluto square)  It feels like that is the challenge, part of it, that she will have all through this life-that is never having one "˜way' which she can simply embrace as her path.  Is this true"

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The essence of this crisis of belief is her Soul's desire not to 'believe' anything. Her Soul desires direct perception or experience of anything including all things 'transcendent or spiritual'. This is of course her Venus in the 9th, ruler of her S.Node, in Leo and square her Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th. This correlates to a 'prove it to me' nature in every way. So it's the crisis of belief versus direct knowing of anything. The difference between 'belief' and actual knowledge. The one constant for her will be Nature itself: being in and within Nature. She would have spent many prior lives living in Nature in a variety of ways, with a variety of groups, cultures, or tribes who lived in balance with Nature. As a result she would have learned about the ways of Nature because having life itself dependent on living in balance with Nature. So this will be her constant for it directly correlates with actual experience over many lifetimes: actual knowledge.

Great work Bradley ...................

Rad