PRACTICE CHARTS

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad,

Ok, so we will start with a new paradigm. We will make this the chart of a white male, born into upper middle economic conditions, no specific religious conditioning, born in Canada, who is in the last stages of the 1st Stage Individuated evolutionary condition, who has Pluto in Virgo conjunct Uransu in the 2nd House, S.Node is in Scorpio in the 5th House, N.Node in Taurus in the 11th, and it's ruler Venus in Aqaurius in the 7th, and it's squaring the Nodes. Additionally, that Venus is inconjunct the natal Uranus. 

A few q's about the aspects, as I see you went out of your way to indicate some aspects, but not others. Should we assume that you indicated all the aspects that are necessary in order for us to deduce the other ones (i.e. if venus is inconjunct uranus, and venus squares the nodes= uranus is sextile the south node)?
The only thing we wouldn't be able to deduce from what you told us are any other aspects to Pluto, as well as the nature of the Pluto Uranus conjunction (new phase, balsamic?)- clearly the orb is wide enough that Venus is not considered to be inconjunct Pluto (if we are to take everything you wrote as a literal indication of aspects).

Thank you.

[Dhyana]

Hello Dear Friends,
Here is my first shot (at least on this message board ) ... so here goes.

Pluto in Virgo in H2 - This person has a strong survival instinct and regenerative abilities. His need for security and survival dates back lifetimes so he has power in getting his needs met and taken care of... In other words, he is quite self sufficient but may create crisis in this area by taking care of others with his resources.

He knows very well how to gain resources through the power of Pluto or at least DESIRES TO therefore putting forth much effort in this area of life, he will continually find ways to increase his resources and plan (Virgo) for his survival in the world. If he has sufficient resources, with Virgo, there will always be this contual underlying feeling or fear that no matter how much he has there is somehow not going to be enough--- or that the rug can be pulled out from under him at any time. This fear can be the main motivating factor either consciously or unconsciously, of this continual pursuit for power and mastery with his resources as much as feeling a vicitm to circumstances (Virgo). This will be a source of confusion for him.   --And as an aside, I would venture to say that this fear is quite unconscious, due to the nature of Pluto and Uranus, both being planets that unconsciously motivate us forward much of the time. And unless one is evolved, much closer to the spirituated state ( he is in the 1st stage individuated (even if it is the last part of that stage sothere are still 2 more to go in individuated.)  
(MY Q: can someone perhaps comment on this  kind of dynamic,for me bc I am not sure??? As you read on you will see where I get confused with this evolutionary condition changing the dynamics of when and what will or can become CONSCIOUS form UNCONSCIOUS, in a given lifetime depending on evolutionary stage???)

Also with it being in Virgo, he may have the tendency to set himself up to be used for his resources on an unconscous level and hence, that is how the PLUTO in Virgo martyrdom/masochistic dynamic gets played out, aggressor at times and victim at other times? --Not to mention how this man can keep himself bound to seperating desires through playing the victim. (Virgo)

Here are a couple of possible scenarios --  in a recent past life that may be exactly what has happened!... the rug was pulled out from under him --causing trauma(Uranus) in the soul's memory (Pluto Conjunct Uranus) in the area of personal resources. This was maybe due to his marriage/intimate partner relationship ending (7H Aquarius) --(and perhaps involving children SN H5- maybe paying child support type of thing or even losing the children to her???) ---OR--SN H5 involving his own equality in relationship and learning about that power and pwerlessness issue through the area of personal resources.  Another possible scenario might be that of  a close business partner relationship abruptly ending w/ trauma?Q?? --Perhaps one  where they did some form of creative arts type work together (SN H5)that brought in resources and financial gain(H5 SN ruler in H2 ). He was probably rather fond of this person he worked with or something (Venus) or romatically involved(5th)..or even he could have taken a risk and gambled the lot away and is trying to atone for it in this life (Virgo).

Both scenario's could explain Venus square the nodes---unfinished relationships issues involving resources and values-- seeing that he has a skipped step with Venus in his 7th house in Aquarius (the ruler Uranus in H2). And with H5 being in Scorpio SN, in any scenario there was some kind of betrayal or issue of trust -hence an abiding fear (connecting to the H2 through Pluto  Rulership5th) of loosing his resources and not being able to be secure in the world of survival
..Scorpio = trust issue/fear of betrayal involving resources and value-ables.

He may  unconsciously keep emotional distance in his intimate relationships and perhaps hide or  be secretive about his resources and/or his creative talents and abilities,also due to this.  With H7 Aquarius and Uranus H2, he most likely  wouldn't know he is the one being emotionally distant --so in his unconsciousness he would project that problem of emotional unavailability onto his partner (because if he were to discover it in himself the whole show would be over!  In other words, the reason for his continuation of survival story (PLUTO  soul seperation desire) and staying with the entire "suvival and resources seperation desire, would be blown-- Like, his individuation is still occurring so perhaps seeing this clearly or too soon just wouldnt happen at the stage he is at???( MY Q-is that accurate???---THIS IS ONE OF MY QUESTION TO RAD OR WHOMEVER --does this realization come in the last stage of 3rd individuated or 1st stage spiritual, or can it come at anytime??)   ----Said even another way:the entire KNOT OF IDENTIFICATION as A SEPERATED SOMEBODY/soul, seperated  off from the Source of all things, would be UNTIED if he were to have the  peircing inner radar to see that any emotional distancing in intimate relationships of any kind, simply and CLEARLY is eminating from himself(Pluto polarity point  in H8 calling him to be boundary-less and to merge with the emotional body and that of ALL THINGS --TO MERGE WITH THE SOURCE THAT ALL RESOURCES come FROM!--(I sure hope the subtlety here was conveyed clearly?)

Or he would simply attract a partner who displayed the emotional distance... Perhaps someone who had a lot of  Aquarius energy or something. This way, he could actually have tangible proof  that this person is emotionally distant and hence keep from moving into pluto's polarity point, and instead staying in the known pluto soul of the past, old pattern of soul/pluto-- avoiding the waters of it's polarity point Pisces where he could merge.

I believe he has come into this life to meet up again with the intimate partner under whatever scenario...and perhaps reenact the same dynamics  in order to proceed or finish the Venus step?? not sure which one (proceed or finsh up) is most likely given his stage???

So the desires and abilities for him to sustain himself  are continually being fueled by this unconscious fear or soul memory...and as this occurs he actually does become very good at it. He has a kind a stubborn solidity with this. But with Uranus there in H2 and with it being in Virgo,, he will eventually  meet with crisis (via the relationship H7). Which will thwart some of his hopes and dreams (Taurus H11 w/ ruler Venus in 7).

Also with Uranus there he has come up with his own unique strategies for continuing to meet his survival needs and most likely " what doesnt kill him will make him stronger"...as the saying goes.  And it may seem that he can always find an alternative or new solution (Uranus)  when one solution has been exhausted (or died out through crisis or having been used up and discarded on his own accord, so to speak (Pluto).  
In the  area of resources and personal values he will continue have issues to be addressed throughout his life and he will meet  with certain fated or destined occurrences, circumstances and people to which he has unfinished business, to ensure his evolution into the 2nd State of Individuated, through pluto's polarity point of Pisces.

I suspect that the main crisis will come through his marriage and/or intimiate one to one partnerships. And with the SN in Scorpio 5 H, with the ruler Pluto in 2nd as well...Perhaps something involving having to provide for his child/children after a perhaps divorce  may shake up his resources (divorce/speration w/ partner 7thH Aquarius  and ruling planet in Uranus in the second???) Uranus often signaling an abrupt ending in relationship 7H.
Of course these are not the only detailed situations that may manifest the characteristics of a 7H Aquarius and it's ruler in the 2nd with fated (Pluto)happenings ,SN5 H, there to, but its what I came up with.

So before I post the next part, where I begin to make suggestions to aid this soul on his evolutionary potential, (NN  in Taurus H11 and and Pluto's polarity Point in Pisces H8, I think I first need Rad's (or anyone's) feedback on this much>

Thanks so much .. this means so much to me to be able to learn this with such support. What Grace I feel right about now!

Lovingly,
Dhyana

[Dhyana]

Oh, as far as the inconjunct - Venus inconjunct Natal Uranus in H2

I am not sure exactly how this would fit into this mans specific story line as manifest reality, but I do know the ENERGY OF THIS DYNAMIC (quite well actually bc it's in my family) The Pluto in Virgo has that very similar victim/martyr type energy as this inconjuct Venus to Uranus. So it is quite fitting for Venus to be inconjumct Uranus in a Pluto in Virgo Soul Indeed! The energetic dynamics of creating a crisis in order to stay stuck, u know. Both aspects have this and with Venus H7,  it is obviously going to be played out in the
intimate partnerships and marriage etc.
My guess would be that this person creates his own crisis with his resources by almost "buying people's love"  (but he would never know it unless the inner integrity and core splitting honesty began to peak through --Q: again an evolutionary stage question I am unclear about.. if a first stage individuated can see such yet??).

So indeed he creates his own crisis within relationship related to his posessions, valuables and resources (hence his security). He will be giving perhaps look quite generous, if he is on the victim side of the equation (VIRGO), but not without a hidden anger and resentment about it, of course.
---Like he will look like the "good guy" to most people --the consensus view... you know ---the one who has provided and paid for everything... And the payoff he gets is to be "right" (as in martyr) or the "good guy"  or "moral" (as in martyr)... justifying his need to stay emotionally away from his partners bc of how they may have used him or whatever.

Basically, in an unconscois way, he gets a payoff when staying seperated...the power/powerlessness thing (and the powerlessness is still actually a form of usurping power too) --and probably even get's a lot of agreement from his circle. It is  a HIDDEN JUSTIFICATION --so that he can continue justify staying seperated emotionally from not only his life partners,( bc after all he is the one who "gave up" everything for them) ---But ultimately, it is his way of staying seperated from the Source and usurp (or atleast try to usurp) Power-- which he will continue to do until his soul, through much pain perhpas, finally comes to the realiztion that True Power is to merge back to That which has in an Ultimate sense it has never really left, only imagined to leave and imagined to have some semblence of power.  (Things just end up NOT WORKING ANYMORE) .
As long as he is a victim or a martyr he will not need to meet the other side of Pluto HIS MERGING DESIRE OF THE SOUL WITH SOURCE>(Pisces 8th house)
Dhyana

[Elen]

Hi Practice Charts Group,

Ok, so we will start with a new paradigm. We will make this the chart of a white male, born into upper middle economic conditions, no specific religious conditioning, born in Canada, who is in the last stages of the 1st Stage Individuated evolutionary condition, who has Pluto in Virgo conjunct Uransu in the 2nd House, S.Node is in Scorpio in the 5th House, N.Node in Taurus in the 11th, and it's ruler Venus in Aqaurius in the 7th, and it's squaring the Nodes. Additionally, that Venus is inconjunct the natal Uranus.

Let's have a go at it !

Rad

OK, so here's my shot at it - at least a start on it.  I would say that this person has come into this life with a past life history of having made efforts to break out of his limited view of who he is (Pluto/Uranus 2nd house).  He has done this by asking "Why?" (Scorpio SN) quite persistently about the beliefs he has taken for granted (2nd house) as they relate to his sense of purpose (5th house).  As a result of this persistent and deep questioning, he has experienced persecution in the past (Virgo/Pisces axis).  As a result, ultimately, the dynamic that he is attempting to break free from is the dynamic of guilt/atonement.  In previous lives, he may have taken vows of poverty (Virgo 2nd house) - presumably he has lived consensus lives in the not too distant past - in response to these feelings of guilt/atonement, but the underlying dynamic remained.  In this lifetime, having been born into wealth, he is learning the value of sharing resources with others (PPP 8th house, NN 11th house, ruler NN Venus in 7th.  However, with the underlying guilt/atonement dynamic, he may feel guilty about his wealth and feel the need to throw it off - to rebel against it.  Materialsim may be his limited perspective in this life.  Sharing his resources, however, seems to be what the symbolism suggests (8th house, Taurus, Venus, 7th house).  He gets to move beyond survival.  Learning to share his resources with others helps him to build new values in this life, to come to believe in himself in a new way (Venus skipped steps, Taurus NN).


OK, that's my start at it.  I have to go to work now.  I'll keep going tomorrow. 

Ellen

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

It would be best if you did not do this piece meal like. Rather go ahead and write out your analysis as you can, and then, when it's complete, send it.

Rad

[Rad]

HI Are,

"A few q's about the aspects, as I see you went out of your way to indicate some aspects, but not others. Should we assume that you indicated all the aspects that are necessary in order for us to deduce the other ones (i.e. if venus is inconjunct uranus, and venus squares the nodes= uranus is sextile the south node)?
The only thing we wouldn't be able to deduce from what you told us are any other aspects to Pluto, as well as the nature of the Pluto Uranus conjunction (new phase, balsamic?)- clearly the orb is wide enough that Venus is not considered to be inconjunct Pluto (if we are to take everything you wrote as a literal indication of aspects)."

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Yes, Uranus and Pluto are sextile the S.Node, trine the North. The Uranus/Pluto conjunction is New. The Venus is inconjunct Uranus, and through extension, Pluto.

Rad

[Rad]

Hi Dhyana,

To answer your question about the awareness of his own inner blocks, his emotional withholding and distancing. At his point of evolution, last part of 1st Stage individuated, that awareness will come through the feedback of his partners: Venus in the 7th, squaring the 5th House S.Node. Later on in the EA stages, 3rd Stage Individuated and beyond, that awareness could occur within the Soul itself. The function of having his Venus in Aqarius, the 11th House N.Node, is to create relationships with others who have the affect of helping him 'objectify' himself in total: his psychology and the reasons for it. And the intention within this, Pluto's 8th House polarity, the ongoing S.Node in Scorpio in the 5th, N.Node in the 11th, is to completly metamorphose from his existing state of being. To recreate himself anew. The external sources who help him objectify his existing psychological reality, and the reasons for it, are created by this Soul for these purposes.

I have read through your analysis and will get back to you tomorrow on it. For now what you are identifying is generally correct.

Rad

[Elen]

Hi Ellen,

It would be best if you did not do this piece meal like. Rather go ahead and write out your analysis as you can, and then, when it's complete, send it.

Rad

Ok Rad, makes sense and will do.  Can you or anyone tell me how to save my post?  Or is that not possible and so I just need to write it out first?
Ellen

[Dhyana]

Thank You Rad for your reply thus far. That through other people he would come to see his patterns was such an AHA kind of thing for me when I read it --puzzle pieces just started coming together (not only with this chart but ironically, in my very life and in those of the people around me!) Wow, thank you --this is so beautiful and precious

--Funny I didnt see it ...LOL, bc indeed, it is obvious, now that you articualted it!

I am going to spend some time today reviewing again the evolutionary conditions part in the PLUTO books and in Deva's book.

In Gratitude,
Dhyana

ps. will be looking for your (or anyone's) further reply tommorow~
Peace

[Rad]

Hi Dhyana,

     Generally you have done a good job so far. One of the dynamics/ issues that you covered that is the cause of his relationship crisis'  needs to be developed more because it is the core dynamic that is the cause of his relationship crisis'. And that is the issue of his inability to fully psychologically/ emotionally engage his intimate partners: his Pluto/Uranus in Virgo in the 2nd, inconjunct his 7th House Venus. By being unable to fully engage others in the most intimate of ways, emotionally/ psychologically, this of creates a reality for his partners in which they feel their needs, Venus, are not being met. And, because of this, such partners, over many lifetimes, have then reached out to other in order to have those needs met: the Venus squaring the S.Node in the 5th, the N.Node in the 11th.  Thus, partners who have had 'secret' affairs behind his back.

     And, of course, when these affairs become revealed to him in some way this then creates massive Soul crisis for him. So then the EA question to address is WHY is he creating these kinds of crises over and over ? What is the intention ? This then leads to what is going on within his Soul that correlates to his psychological / emotional withholding of himself in his intimate relationships ? And this would also include his sexuality: 2nd House Pluto/Uranus, the S.Node ruler being in Scorpio in the 5th, that comes right back to this Pluto/Uranus in the 2nd. This is also restated with the N.Node in Taurus in the 11th, the ruler itself being in Aquarius in the 7th and forming an inconjunction back to that Pluto/Uranus in the 2nd, squaring those Nodes. This sexuality dynamic is a key to understanding the psychological/emotional withholding from his intimate others.

     And, within all of this, his Soul has, and is, creating real crisis from  within itself that revolves around the issue of what will constitute REAL MEANING for him. What is the meaning of life for him ? To live a meaningful life that is consistent with what he deeply values and, thus, NEEDS ? With the Pluto/Uranus in the 2nd, the square to the Nodes, the Venus in Aquarius, these issues/ questions are critically linked to not only his skipped steps, but, also, the very dynamics that cause him to be DETACHED from within himself if the life that he chooses to live are at odds with who he really is. Thus, if he is detached within himself because of not being in HARMONY WITH HIS OWN SOUL, how does this then manifest in his relationships with others in general, and his intimate others specifically ?

     And, of course, with the Venus squaring the Nodes he will repeat relationships with key intimate others from other lives in which these dyanmics have taken place with. What is the evolutionary and karmic intention that his Soul is playing out in doing this ?

     Anyway, you have done a good job so far so just keep going and try to include these core issues in your ongoing analysis.

     Rad

[Rad]

Hi Ellen,

I am not sure what you mean about how to 'save' your post ? Your post will remain here ..will not be deleated ...

Rad

[Elen]

Hi Ellen,

I am not sure what you mean about how to 'save' your post ? Your post will remain here ..will not be deleated ...

Rad

Hi Rad,

I don't have internet at home so I use primarily the public library.  I can also hop on at work during breaks, but that's very piecemeal.  Re: the library - there are time limits on computer use depending on how many people want to use the computers here - at most I can for sure count on an hour - all day if no one else wants it, but you can't count on anything beyond an hour.  RE: my post I was wondering if there was a way to compose a partial response and save it without posting it so that I could come back to it later to finish up.  I have a different idea now, though.  Would it be acceptable to attach a file?  It would be more conducive to my thought process and to your request to compose my response at home and save to a flash drive and then post here as an attachment. 

Let me know.  I'd really like to be able to participate.  I feel like I'm at a point where this exercise would be really helpful.

Thanks,
Ellen 

PS  If the answer to this is yes, would it also be acceptable with regard to me starting new threads in which I'm checking my understanding of various EA material?  As an example, I'm currently working up an outline of the Natural Evolutionary States and I was hoping when I'm done to post it to get feedback to make sure I'm on track.  Would it be acceptable to do this via attachment (on a different/new thread, of course)?

[Bradley J]

Ellen,
Exciting you are working on ways to make this work for you. 
Hope it is okay to speak up here.  I had a couple very long posts lost when my computer froze at the moment I hit post. 
Now, any long post, all practice chart posts, are cut and pasted from a separate doc. 
If I want to access it anywhere, I just cut and paste and email my work to myself and work within the email itself if need be.

Good Luck finding the system that supports your process.
Blessings,
Bradley

[Elen]

Ellen,
Exciting you are working on ways to make this work for you.  
Hope it is okay to speak up here.  I had a couple very long posts lost when my computer froze at the moment I hit post.  
Now, any long post, all practice chart posts, are cut and pasted from a separate doc.  
If I want to access it anywhere, I just cut and paste and email my work to myself and work within the email itself if need be.

Good Luck finding the system that supports your process.
Blessings,
Bradley

Hi Bradley,

Thanks so much for your encouragement and for sharing what works for you.  Computers definitely aren't my strong suit.  I haven't quite figured out cutting/pasting here on this message board.  I also see that it's possible to insert email, but haven't tried and am not quite sure how it works.  Would you be willing to share with me some of what you know in this regard?

Nice to "meet" you,
Ellen

[Dhyana]

Hey Ellen,
Maybe the library computer has a word program that is password protected for your documents.

I just wanted to mention that what I did to save my post was I simply copy and pasted my posts onto a document (like use microsoft word or whatever the document program is.), Then I rewrite or add or whatever then I just cut and paste off of my document back onto this forum... it's easy. (Then I save those documents all in a folder which I will eventually keep adding to called "practice charts EA" to refer to whenever).  
But since your using the public library computer, and/or if they don't have a Word Document Program w/ password prtection, for individual use then  you, of course, can just leave it on this forum and just copy paste the text onto your next post too. But for me, I just prefer to have copies of my own (on my Word Program) and since I have my own Word Program for doc at home it is an easier situation for me to do.

However, I also have saved stuff on emails to myself --bc you can send email to the same email u compose from. maybe u can save your posts like that and then copy paste from there. This may very well be your best option for the library computer bc u can form and access an email account from anywhere.

Well, I hope that was clear. Just some suggestions that might be useful???.
Lovingly,
Dhyana