PRACTICE CHARTS

[Rad]

Hi Linda,
The bullet point thing won't really do for the purposes of this thread, and learning how to interpret charts from an EA point of view. The bullet points are just summaries, and summaries don't reflect the PROCESS THAT LEAD TO THOSE SUMMARIES. And that is what I would want to see: the process and reasoning behind that process leading to whatever statements that are born of that way of analysis.
Please redo this from the point of view of writing the whole process down.

Rad

[Linda]

Rad,

Thanks for your clear instructions in how to approach chart interpretation from an EA point of view.

PRIOR SOUL INTENTION
Pluto 7th - SN 6th - SN Ruler 10th - Early 1st Stage Individuated

In the early 1st stage individuated evolutionary condition our subject feels a degree of alienation and separateness from the mainstream of society.  He is just starting to move away from the consensus by starting to think for himself, contemplating his refusal to go along with the herd, and preferring to choose his own philosophical outlook through exploration and comparison. Yet he continues to play the game and live a lie in order to find acceptance through playing a mainstream role.  He feels he has no choice but to play a role, any role, because his sense of individuality is not developed enough so as to be able to choose something conducive to his natural talents.  The conclusion he comes to is that he needs to "appear" normal so that he can continue being a part of society, but at the same time internally he feels quite different and lost. He internally criticises normal society;  his perception of it makes him quite irritable and angry, and he suffers feelings of meaninglessness and guilt.

He "does the right thing" (10th) by choosing types of work where he can be of service (6th) to others.  He completely sacrifices his own personal needs for the sake of his role in society which masks his true feelings of alienation.  He unconsciously chooses the type of work where he plays a servile role, because he follows the value judgments of others (7th), and not his own, due to self-effacement (6th) and fear of not being accepted by others (10th).  He pursues relationships where the partner plays a dominant role and he plays a submissive role.  He perfectly plays back the reality of his partner, and acts like an alter ego.  He unites his life with a partner who is slightly more individuated than himself, so that he places the partner up on a pedestal, is of great practical service, and can live his life vicariously through the individuated expression of his partner, because he secretly fears stepping out of the consensus to express who he really is.  In fact, he is probably quite confused as to who he really is so continues on with his "plan" (10th), organized and finely tuned (6th) to play the roles deemed as normal by society (1st stage individuated).  He continues to compare his views and ideas with many others, and will try on different roles in society, and various personal relationships.  

The pressure builds in his relationships to the point where he feels intense guilt because he is not getting his true needs fulfilled, and he starts lashing out at his partner, compulsively pointing out their faults and weaknesses.  His relationships are not equal, and severe problems and confrontations begin to develop.  Pressures from work or career also mount up, since living a lie goes against his judgments of right and wrong (10th) - and so he judges himself as "wrong" which leads to intense guilt - he fears not being accepted - fears he is not living up to his high expectations of himself - and on top of it all has to face the karmic consequences through several falls from grace.  

This massive crisis situation can be taken out on his unsuspecting partner - bringing about a major blow up.  Within the SN 6th house karmic signature, and pressure from the generally confused 1st stage individuated condition, he may experience sadomasochism in his relationship.  This leads to imbalance in the relationship through guilt - anger - atonement or making amends - dominance and submission - inferiority and superiority - power and powerlessness - criticism and forgiveness.  He may find himself in these types of relationships over and over again - until he learns to make adjustments.

Self-sacrificing his personal needs and playing a submissive role in his work or career leads to deep unhappiness and then to guilt and shame because he cannot fit in with society yet feels impelled to play the game.  There is added conflict (7th/10th square) because while he strives for success and wishes to play an authoritative role in his career, and may struggle to take the lead (10th) in his relationships, he generally feels impotent, inadequate, guilty and angry (6th) because his relationships are unequal and unbalanced (7th).  The pressure builds - the SN ruler (10th) is in a first-quarter square to natal Pluto (7th) - and he must find new ways to establish his evolutionary purpose by evolving through new types of career and relationships.  Therefore, there could very well be a high turnover in these areas, so that the creative new ways of being in relationships and in career enable him to slowly move forward in his journey.

CURRENT SOUL INTENTION
PPP 1st  - NN 12th - NN Ruler 2nd

During times of crisis, such as divorce, sadomasochism or fall from grace, where he finds himself alone, he finds nothing can work except a spiritual perspective and so he develops his relationship with the Divine.  When the crisis situation blows over, his commitment to the spiritual point of view may fade.  But more and more crises lead him back to lessons of forgiveness, tolerance and respect for the imperfections others "¦ and through transformation another picture slowly begins to unfold in his life.

Similarly, confrontations in relationship which result in separation or divorce lead to him being alone, where through intense self-analysis, he is forced to make his own decisions, to supply his own needs, and initiate his own actions.  He analyses his relationship dynamics through his x-ray mind and since his needs are not being fulfilled and he is not quite as successful as he "should" be in his career, he progressively learns to find creative answers within himself.  In atoning for his guilt and anger, which naturally takes place while he is alone contemplating his life, he develops some courage to start to think for himself (1st), and to take responsibility (10th) for himself.  Slowly he begins to follow impulses and attractions to other people and new directions (1st) through which he enjoys a newfound sense of freedom and adventure.

As his individuality starts to strengthen, he begins to seek new paths and directions (such as exploring new philosophies, developing areas that awaken his personal talents, and following instinctual attractions to new partners) which allow him to learn more about who he truly is.  As he wishes to continue to be of service to others, he is able to apply his personal talents, resources, and natural abilities to altruistic work in the service of others ... and this brings positive change to his career path also.  Where once he felt directionless and meaninglessness in his social role and in the types of partners he chose, he is now seeing more and more of the bigger picture.  Where he used to give all of his service out to others, he is learning to pay some attention to himself and his own needs, like when to give and when not to give, and when to be of service and when not to be of service.  The development of a holistic and clearer understanding of himself promotes discrimination in the choice of career and relationships.  He becomes less hard on himself, less judgmental, and learns to be kinder to himself.  He learns to set proper priorities in his relationships where he balances time for himself with time spent with his partner.  Philosophically, he is developing faith that somehow things will work out.  

Through disastrous previous choices in career, that resulted in stagnation and non-fulfillment, the stresses of which infiltrated his personal relationships, he was forced to find new ways to express a more proper work function in society (10th) that realistically reflected his natural talents (2nd) and not the unconscious career choices brought about through fear of living a lie. Through the development of the PPP 1st he gains more choice, courage and "self"-consciousness.  He enjoys the freedom of being able to choose something for himself, and not always having to work so hard for others.  As the 10th/2nd Nodal Rulers and the SN 6th form a harmonious grand trine, the transition to see himself as his own symbol of self-reliance and transformation naturally leads to other directions of work or career.  The easy transition gives him a sense of self-esteem (2nd) and therefore more trust and faith in the larger forces at work (12th).  As the old Pluto dynamic continues to evolve, he continues to desire to serve others and may wish to undertake philanthropic or healing work (usually in a mainstream institution), the nature of which allows the beginnings of a relationship with the Source to very slowly emerge.  Now that he is able to make new choices in relationships, he may follow attractions to others who are more spiritual or self-reliant, and learns to value both himself and others.

Where he started out as quite fearful, angry and guilty, he now is learning to trust and flow with the currents of life.  He learns to forgive his partners for their weaknesses, and chooses partners who are expressing the courage to create their own lives, just like he is.  The type of work he chooses becomes a little more individualized, especially where the work is conducive to his natural talents.  Through intense analysis (6th) and rationality (7th) he learns his proper work function in society (10th) which serves his own soul growth through his freedom to make choices for himself (1st), as well as serve others in altruistic service (12th), that comes about through the development of his own talents and resources (2nd) and all these improved areas bring about inner and outer balance (7th).  He learns to experience himself in a more complete way through expanding his focus (inductive logic) to an holistic view and thus improves many areas of his life.

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I deleted my 2nd last post, the one with the bullets.  I hope to overcome the problem of too many disjointed facts and not enough process/reasoning with more practice.  I really appreciate your guidance Rad  

[Rad]

Hi Linda,

BRAVO ! It is a true joy to experience your own development and evolution in EA. You are progressing really, really well Linda. In your analysis you focused on the masochistic dimension of this paradigm, i.e. the S.Node in the 6th. And you did a good job of it. However, it's also just as possible for this paradigm to be sadistic where the anger manifest through feeling 'victimized', N.Node in the 12th, by society: the S.Node planetary ruler in the 10th, and the people in that society: 7th House Pluto. I think it would be a good idea if you created an analysis of this paradigm through the lens of the sadist. What kinds of relationships then ? What is the individuals orientation to them ? What is the person's relationship to the world ? What is the evolutionary / karmic antidote to feeling 'victimized' that is then the determinant of the sadism ? Clue: via the planetary ruler of the 6th House S.Node in the 10th that would be accepting the responsibility in his own actions. This would then demand that he inwardly determine through self-analysis the causes of the 'guilt' that he is born with, and compounds in his current life actions. What is the karmic/ evolutionary antidote to that guilt as symbolized in his 12th House N.Node ? And how does that then affect his inner relationship to himself: the planetary ruler of the 12th House N.Node in the 2nd House ?
You are doing real good Linda, keep going !!

Rad

[Bradley J]

Rad and all,
Here's an "amendment" to the previous post.  I have only begun development of masochist and sadist extremes here from past perspective, not yet going into evolutionary path side.  Like I said, I have stuck with just Pluto I rereads and days of letting it all "sink in" and process.
Thanks in advance for your time and review,
b
Pluto 7th/South Node 6th/ruler 10th cont.
Extreme Masochist and Sadist Soul Types:

In addition to all the previously discussed patterns of this signature, there are more considerations to keep in mind:  The possibilities of the soul that is born is an extreme masochist or extreme sadist.

If the s/he is an extreme masochist, we would see extremes in the balance of roles played out as follows.  This type would be attracting others into their life that would naturally play a dominant role in relationships(work, social, and intimate).  He/she would feel a strong need to go out of their way to serve, assist, help, and carry out the "other's needs".  She/he would also, without thinking, fully share in the blame and "mistakes", and even claim sole responsibility of things that have nothing to do with their actions.  They would receive punishment without hesitation or protest.  The heaviness of the internal guilt and not yet conscious actions to atone for the guilt are coming out in these distorted ways.  This person has lost perspective on balanced roles in relationships and is allowing heavy criticism, blame, and abuse to come from their own self and others.  Again, this past unconscious guilt has led to their sense of being "unworthy" of being treated better than this.  These are clues to tell us that clearly s/he has yet to accept the "mistakes" of their karmic past.  This extreme masochist type does exactly what the "˜other' expects of them in the face of repeated physical, mental, and emotional abuse because deep down inside they "˜deserve it'.  This is unconscious acts of atonement of unconscious burden of guilt unresolved.  Consciously, s/he does not believe that they even deserve better than repeated abuse.  Others(7th pluto) will be the ones to tell them otherwise, but in these extreme cases, s/he will still go back to the receiving abuse pattern in atonement.  You may here such statements to friends like, "I know, I know, I shouldn't let him/her do that", but they are partly saying this out of need of friend/other to hear it, but don't fully believe their own words.
Rad, could we expect in these situations that the soul actually did do something that is "awful"- like in past life operating a guillotine(6/10), or assisting with public executions like lynching or hangings(6th/10)? ..a service (6th) carrying out social punishment(10th) to others(7th)?

Now, on the flip side to this, is the soul that responds to the guilt with anger.  In this situation, the s/he does not believe that they need to atone for this inner guilt, yet the guilt is so there.  Instead of feeling unworthy, they feel so worthy that any trigger of being victimized by others opens the gates to this inner anger and rage.  This is the extreme of the sadistic soul type.  In their current life/ s/he will sense this guilt, yet decidedly see their self as worthy of fair treatment.  From the current life perspective, they see no visible reason why THEY should be feeling guilty.  These types are very quick to get angry and frustrated in the face of ANY blame or accusation coming at them.  Statements like "I didn't do it" or "Why you always blame me?"  or  "I don't deserve this shit"  reveal the underlying attitude.  This anger response coming from extreme guilt within, comes forth as a lashing out in anger at others-it could be in the workplace(10th), as much as it would be with friends and family (7th).  In this case, we should see the obvious clues of who/what s/he is talking about to reveal a misplaced response to unresolved guilt.  Also, in this extreme sadist soul type, expect to see threads of projected blame and guilt coming out with these angry lashing outs at others.

In both cases of extreme masochist and sadist types, we'd expect the early childhood/home life to have extremes of abuse.  With the masochist, there would be an early/initial experience of the burden they are to their parents/family.  This creates right from the start, a sense of guilt for even being born.  S/he could spend years or even the rest of this lifetime "˜making up for being a burden'  Except the extreme masochist with this signature to come across as extremely apologetic for everything(pluto 7th/sn 6th), even just entering your home and basically for breathing-"˜being alive'.
With the extreme sadist type, they respond to this sense of being a burden and being abused with anger and rage.  Childhood would daily carry experiences of "˜undeservingly' being abusively blamed-being a victim. 
Rad, is it true that circumstances could be exactly the same with these two extremes-it is just the soul's response that is different?
The sadist type carries so much anger and rage from these early experiences of "being victimized undeservingly" that any hint of another beginning to blame them can trigger this anger.  Especially anyone who is perceived in the dominant authority role (10th) who holds that power and begins to criticize him/her, it would be met with this anger.  This extreme  sadistic type would carry strong judgements (10th/7th square) about appropriate behavior of others and would react with anger to those in their life who cross this line.

[Rad]

Hi Bradley,

Rad, could we expect in these situations that the soul actually did do something that is "awful"- like in past life operating a guillotine(6/10), or assisting with public executions like lynching or hangings(6th/10)? ..a service (6th) carrying out social punishment(10th) to others(7th)?

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  The issue of guilt is the determinant in either the masochist or the sadist. And there are always two causes of that guilt. One cause can be exactly as you have stated: actual actions or behaviors that are NATURALLY WRONG that then create NATURAL GUILT. If I throw my kids out the window it is naturally wrong. And I will feel naturally guilty. And the other cause of guilt is called 'learned' guilt which is based on standards of judgments that have nothing to do with Natural Laws, when violated, create natural  guilt. The sources and causes of this learned guilt can be extremely diverse. For example, I could put myself into a monastery where the standards of judgments are based on all kinds of spiritual 'should be's' that I can not conform too, or do. I thus create an internal judgment upon myself that is negative in nature because there must be something wrong with me in that I can not be a reflection of the the 'should be's' that I am comparing myself too. And, thus, I need to 'atone' for this guilt.
   The bottom line when dealing with others whose Souls have determined to examine the causes of guilt within them, as the current paradigm that we are working with, is to understand the differences in the 'learned' guilt versus the guilt that is natural in nature because of violating natural laws themselves.
   In the paradigm we are working with now, the N.Node being in the 12th, the Soul is desiring a 'healing' of these past lives that are being focused on that connect to guilt. And the nature of that healing is first to learn to discriminate, the S.Node in the 6th, between the two causes of the guilt, and then to realize the natural truth that all Souls have done things that have created guilt within them. No of us are 'blameless', so to speak. And then to learn from our past mistakes so that we hopefully do not repeat them. In the paradigm we are using, with the planetary ruler of the 12th in the 2nd, this then directly correlates to the person's inner relationship to themselves. We need to remember that the inner relationship we have with ourselves creates it's own resonate magnetism that is the determinant of those that we then 'attract' into our lives. The masochist will thus attract the sadist, and the sadist will thus attract the masochist.

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Rad, is it true that circumstances could be exactly the same with these two extremes-it is just the soul's response that is different?

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Yes. And the difference is how those circumstances are PERCEIVED: how they are interpreted.

Real good work Bradley. Good for you.

Rad

[ari moshe]

Ive been thinking just about first stage individuated, and trying to observe other people that seem to fit that condition. Here are some observations:

My relative works for a financial investment corp in nyc. She has a whole lot of stuff in the 7th squaring her nodes, including Uranus. She lives in a consensus environment with people of consensus values. She however has read books that are of the individuated nature (michael pollin for example). She cannot openly share her views with other people because she fears rejection from her friends.

The town I have lived in has a high contingency of second and third individuated souls- Olympia washington. I know one soul who comes from a very conservative family. He himself was very active as a youth in a right wing religious organization. He argues his views on Israel/Palestine ardently with everyone. He surrounds himself with people who are politically more ;liberal; than himself. He eats with them, lives with them. I observe that this soul has consciously chosen to be in a second individuated environment in order to aid in the undoing of his old thought patterns.
His mind has been opening slowly- and that is having a profound impact on how he relates to consensus culture. He increasingly feels more alienated and different around the consensus people he used to associate with. In a previous life, a lot of evolution must have happened for him to be in this situation.

In terms of famous ppl, here are some guesses:
John Lennon? Nah, maybe he was too radical for first stage.
Yusuf Islam (cat stevens)? I dont know if he was ever in consensus state in this life to tell you the truth.
Chenea O*Conner?

Tom Cruz? He is openly affiliated with a very radical organization (Scientology) which itself is a highly manipulative, though insightful religion. Im pretty certain that Scientology is not for the consensus state. He gets a lot of critisizm and judgment for his affiliation with this organization. I can imagine what its like for him- with everyone judging his choice to have chosen a subversive spiritual path. Of all guess I feel most confident about this guy. He clearly lives a very internal alienated life as a result of all this.

[Lesley]

Hi Ari,

What interesting questions you've posed about the evolutionary conditions of so many different people. I'm willing to throw in my two cents regarding how I see them, and I hope others will add their perspectives as well, because I personally find it so interesting to observe and correlate the evolutionary stages, and to hear others' reasoning for their own views. I am so grateful for this open and mutually respectful forum.

To me, your relative who works in NYC sounds very much in the beginning of the 1st stage Individuated: she indulges her true nature in private but still compensates for security reasons when in public.

The person from the right-wing religious organization is not yet Individuated, to my mind, because religion, as Wolf taught, is for the consensus. The argumentativeness or assertions of his own views, to me, reflect the 3rd stage Consensus; but the fact that he's surrounding himself with others of different perspectives, to me, suggests that he is preparing to move into the 1st stage Individuated condition, perhaps later in this life or in a life soon to come.

In terms of the famous people you mentioned, I personally would put John Lennon on the cusp of 2nd stage Individuated (these Souls refuse to integrate into society at all, and live completely on their own terms; they have a lot of anger at the consensus within them) and the 3rd stage Individuated, where the musical and literary genius start to come in. By the end of his life he was singing about unity and peace, which was a far cry from the more violent tendencies he displayed in youth and young adulthood.

Sinead O'Connor is someone that I think to be in the 2nd stage Individuated evolutionary condition: a traumatized Soul who rejected fame, fought openly against a consensus institution and was reviled the world over for doing so. Although she did re-integrate into the Catholic Church, that was done on her own terms, and she is still not recognized by the hierarchy there as holding any position of import or consequence: she is still an outsider.

Tom Cruise is such a puzzle, to me. Scientology is indeed not the mainstream, but it IS an organization, and that to me suggests a consensus Soul who needs the support and security of a group of like-minded others around him. When the Soul begins to think for itself, it moves into the Individuated condition; he seems a parrot of Scientology's views. If Scientology pursued him to have a famous face on the organization, and he went along willingly, that's a 3rd stage Consensus thing, to me.

I'm just offering my own ideas, Ari...I hope it's okay to have put them forth here.

Love and blessings to you,
Lesley

[Linda]

PPP 1st  - NN 12th - NN Ruler 2nd - Early 1st Stage Individuated


Rad said:  I think it would be a good idea if you created an analysis of this paradigm through the lens of the sadist.


It is possible for our subject to be a sadist as a result of the anger and guilt born out of the conflict of having to conform to society and deeply resenting it.  The imbalance within himself leads to sadistic behaviours such as explosiveness, tyranny and compulsiveness.  

The kinds of relationships he would encounter would be defined in terms of "control" where masochism and sadism are found in the individuals, and the two combined forming a sadomasochistic relationship.  The messages will be around deserving pain, punishment and crisis.  His orientation to relationships is defined in terms of "power" and "powerlessness".  He plays the dominant role by being able to play back the reality of his partner which leads to emotional control and imposing his values, beliefs and nature onto his partner.  

His partner plays the inferior role and relies on him for self-validation, while he becomes the god of his partner's reality and plays the superior role.  He reduces his partner to nothing and is exhilarated by the emotional distress, and psychological or physical suffering he is inflicting.   He derives pleasure from the power that places his partner below him.  

He compulsively overly identifies with the aspect of himself in a "normal" relationship (7th) in a "successful" career (10th) that makes him "lots of money" (2nd) in order to induce a sense of individuality and meaning.  Since he is resisting a relationship of surrender to the Source, he builds a fantasy (12th) which he totally believes in around the "perfect" idealised partner (7th). He is trying to play the game by creating a "normal" type of relationship in the eyes of his society friends which leads to a tyrannical attitude toward his partner.  

He may feel extremely anxious when he perceives his partner is not playing the fantasy role that he has unconsciously created. If his partner does not behave in the correct way or is not adhering to the routines (6th), rules (10th), and idealized conduct (12th) that he has set down, he could use cruelty, persecution or judgment for the purpose of establishing dominance in his relationship.  

He may humiliate or demean his partner in the presence of others. He may restrict his partner's autonomy and control his children (2nd) unusually harshly.  His domination leads to excessive criticism, persecution and judgment of his partner's weaknesses which are really a projection of his own weaknesses.  

As part of his fantasy he would desire to "make lots of money" (2nd).  In the early 1st stage individuated evolutionary condition, and in resisting a relationship to the Source (12th), he completely believes and identifies himself as the resource for making money.  He forms relationships with the right people in the right circles who will further his power and status in the world.  

He builds a career (10th) with great discipline, ambition and meticulousness (6th). As he is living beyond his means, and the abundance does not bring him happiness or emotional security, this fantasy collapses, resulting in the loss of his career.  The fantasy did not equal the reality.

His relationship to the world is to appear and function "normally" in society yet at home he is the sadist.  He attempts to gratify his most base desires while ignoring or completely suppressing his conscience.  He is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others.  He could secretly seek out pornography or prostitutes who are his easy victims.  

The emotional shock of his relationship ending and his career collapsing lead to an implosion or breakdown which forces him to realize the basis of his fantasy (12th), to atone for his behaviour, to feel remorse and to enter self-reflection (6th), to re-evaluate his life, where he was coming from, and for what reasons.  The S. Node ruler in the 10th would lead him to accept responsibility for his own actions.  This would then lead to analysis of the causes of the guilt that he is born with and which is compounded in his current life actions.  

The antidote to the guilt is symbolized in his 12th N. Node by learning forgiveness of himself and others for shortcomings or failings. The light of truth illuminates the reality of his life situation and forces him to consider that some other power is operating.  His inner relationship to himself transforms into a new way of relating to himself, to others and to reality.  

[Rad]

Linda,

It is possible for our subject to be a sadist as a result of the anger and guilt born out of the conflict of having to conform to society and deeply resenting it.  The imbalance within himself leads to sadistic behaviours such as explosiveness, tyranny and compulsiveness. 

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  We must remember that one of the archetypal dynamics within the 6th House is one of critical self analysis because this archetypal dynamic is also linked with another one within the 6th House called self improvement. In order to improve oneself one must become aware of one's short comings, areas within us, that need to focused on in order to do something about them in order to improve or 'perfect' oneself. When this is then combined with the 10th House that archetypal dynamic of judgments then occurs. Judgment itself in natural to consciousness for it's through the vehicle of judgments that we learn about the nature of anything, of life itself. The issue in not judgments of themselves but the CONTENT that is being accessed and used for form the basis of judgments. Are the judgments coming from Natural Laws, or are the judgments coming from man made laws ? So when these archetypes combine we have an individual who is highly critical of themselves through the inner judgments of themselves. This exiting inner orientation to them self creates it's own inner magnetism or vibration that in turn serves as the determinant of the types of circumstances, and the people in those circumstances, that reflect this inner relationship to the person them self.
  This then has set in motion a series of lives in which the Soul has created circumstances and people who have appeared to be highly critical and judgmental of the person which can include the persons own parents, 10th House planetary ruler of the 6th House S.Node, and all kinds of people in authority as the person becomes and adult. This can of course include situations where their employer, and co-workers, have also been highly critical of the person's own short comings. As this goes on for a series of lifetimes the Soul then can feel 'victimized' by these circumstances because there is no inner awareness that they them self are responsible for creating these circumstances. Over a series of lifetimes this creates an accumulated rage and anger now combined with being a victim that, in turn, causes the Soul to want to 'get back', to get even, to take this inner rage that has been generated by being a victim out on others. This then creates the sadist.
  The rest of your analysis Linda is very, very good. Good for you !

Rad

[ari moshe]

Lesley, it is more than ok. If you dont share your ea perspective, then who will 

thanks for your response.

[Linda]

Over a series of lifetimes this creates an accumulated rage and anger now combined with being a victim that, in turn, causes the Soul to want to 'get back', to get even, to take this inner rage that has been generated by being a victim out on others. This then creates the sadist.

Rad, 

How can wanting to "get back", to get even, to take this inner rage out on others, relate to Natural Law?

Is wanting to "get back" a natural response in nature, such as the human instinct of self-preservation?

Thanks,
Linda

[Rad]

Linda,

How can wanting to "get back", to get even, to take this inner rage out on others, relate to Natural Law?

Is wanting to "get back" a natural response in nature, such as the human instinct of self-preservation?

Thanks,
Linda

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It doesn't relate to natural law at all. This sort of thing is a reflection of perverting natural laws that in turn has perverted consciousness in humans in general. This is a 'distorted' reaction to the fact that consciousness, in general on this planet, has become utterly distorted and perverted going back about 8,000 years now. Masochism and sadism are also not natural in any way. Nor is superiority or inferiority, and so and so on. Even you words about self preservation, in natural law, was rooted in the GROUP. Individual survival was rooted in group survival. The natural law that is the basis of that is to give, share, and include. Once that got perverted into self-interest and exclusion this then became the basis, the cause, of every other perversion to natural consciousness.
In the paradigm that we are working with now we must understand the CONTEXT in order to interpret correctly. And the EXISTING context for most humans, in most cultures, country's, etc is defined by the perversion to natural law. This is how most humans live now. As a result, we must interpret the EA paradigm that we are working with in our example in this way.

Rad

[Linda]

Thank you Rad for your response.

I'm looking forward to the next assignment. 

Linda   

[Rad]

Hi Ari, Bradley, Linda, Wendy, Stephen or any one else that is interested in this thread ,

Do you guys want to start another practice chart now ? Let me know if we all feel done with the last one, and if you want to proceed ...........

Rad

[Bradley J]

Just about ready to post the evolutionary path development from previous/current assignment, based on your suggestions.  
and, yes, starting another chart sounds great, too.  I'm open to still developing this more if you see fit; be posting tonight or friday night.
b