SN ruler conjunct Pluto

[_will]

Hi all.  My understanding is that when the SN conjuncts Pluto, it indicates one of three possible conditions that will need to be examined and determined (relive, fruition, or both).  Does the same principle apply when the SN planetary ruler is conjunct Pluto? 

Will

[Rad]

Hi Will,

No. In that symbolism it is important to determine if that conjunction is a new phase conjunction, or a balsamic conjunction. In both conjunctions the past life dynamics of the Soul as symbolized by the house and sign of the S.Node, and the location of it's planetary ruler by house and sign, which of course is the natal house of the current life Pluto which is conjunct that S.Node ruler, is being brought to a head so that the Soul can evolve beyond those existing dynamics. In a balsamic conjunction it means that the Soul is reliving the past, in the current life, that is specific to those dynamics as symbolized by the house and sign of the S.Node, and the house and sign of natal Pluto conjunct the S.Node ruler. It is those dynamics only versus the whole of one's life that is being relived in the current life. The intention of the Soul in such a symbol is the gain the deepest inner insights possible as to the nature of those dynamics, and why they exist as they exist. It is this self knowledge gained in such a relive that then serves as the basis of being released from those dynamics. When that occurs it will lead to the new phase conjunction of the S.Node ruler with the natal Pluto.

In the new phase conjunction the experience is very different. This means that the Soul will indeed recreate dynamics, reflected through it's circumstantial life, that are of it's past. Yet as those circumstances manifest that do symbolize the past the Soul in this new phase conjunction is now giving itself the evolutionary challenge to make NEW CHOICES as those past life dynamics are repeated. The new choices thus allows the Soul to be finally freed from those past life dynamics. The awareness of those new choices occurs because of the active reflection that took place during the balsamic conjunction when the S.Node ruler was conjunct natal Pluto.

God Bless, Rad

[_will]

Thanks Rad.  Does this mean that an individual with the balsamic conjunction should, in this current life, seek to fully understand, but not expect to fully resolve the dynamics of the relive condition/dynamics? 

I know you said that the relive applies only to this dynamic, not the whole life, but since we're talking about Natal Pluto and SN here, then what does that mean for the current life intention pointed to by PPP, NN, and nodal axis squares (missed steps)?  Can/should these be addressed and worked on simultaneously?

Will

[Rad]

Hi Will,

Thanks Rad.  Does this mean that an individual with the balsamic conjunction should, in this current life, seek to fully understand, but not expect to fully resolve the dynamics of the relive condition/dynamics?

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The resolution occurs because of the understanding. And that resolution rooted in the understanding  is then brought forwards into the next life where the new choices can then be made.

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I know you said that the relive applies only to this dynamic, not the whole life, but since we're talking about Natal Pluto and SN here, then what does that mean for the current life intention pointed to by PPP, NN, and nodal axis squares (missed steps)?  Can/should these be addressed and worked on simultaneously?

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The question you asked concerned the planetary ruler of the S.Node being conjunct the natal Pluto. The polarity point of Pluto, in the current life, is used by the Soul to create the necessary understanding that leads to the resolution of those dynamics in the case of the balsamic conjunction, and is used by the Soul to create new choices relative to those existing dynamics so that evolution can proceed in the new phase conjunction. This is the baseline. The N.Node in both cases, and the location of it's planetary ruler, are used by the Soul to facilitate the development/ evolution of that baseline. The squaring of the Nodes by Pluto, or other planets, is an entirely different issue/ dynamic that has been covered extensively on this message board, and also in the archives of the old message board.

God Bless, Rad

[_will]

Rad, thank you so much for your great insight!

Will

[Melita]

In that symbolism it is important to determine if that conjunction is a new phase conjunction, or a balsamic conjunction. In both conjunctions the past life dynamics of the Soul as symbolized by the house and sign of the S.Node, and the location of it's planetary ruler by house and sign, which of course is the natal house of the current life Pluto which is conjunct that S.Node ruler

If someone has planetary ruler in the same sign and house ? Something like this ... S.N. in Scorpio in the second house conjunction Pluto in Scorpio in the second house ?!

[Rad]

Hi Melita,

When the S.Node is conjunct natal Pluto there are three possible past life conditions being lived in the current life as taught by JWG in his first Pluto book.

1. A total relive of prior life conditions in the current life
2. A condition of total fruition of past life efforts and desires manifesting in the current life
3. A combination of both

When the planetary ruler of the S.Node is conjunct natal Pluto then this was already answered above relative to what Will had asked:

In that symbolism it is important to determine if that conjunction is a new phase conjunction, or a balsamic conjunction. In both conjunctions the past life dynamics of the Soul as symbolized by the house and sign of the S.Node, and the location of it's planetary ruler by house and sign, which of course is the natal house of the current life Pluto which is conjunct that S.Node ruler, is being brought to a head so that the Soul can evolve beyond those existing dynamics. In a balsamic conjunction it means that the Soul is reliving the past, in the current life, that is specific to those dynamics as symbolized by the house and sign of the S.Node, and the house and sign of natal Pluto conjunct the S.Node ruler. It is those dynamics only versus the whole of one's life that is being relived in the current life. The intention of the Soul in such a symbol is the gain the deepest inner insights possible as to the nature of those dynamics, and why they exist as they exist. It is this self knowledge gained in such a relive that then serves as the basis of being released from those dynamics. When that occurs it will lead to the new phase conjunction of the S.Node ruler with the natal Pluto.

In the new phase conjunction the experience is very different. This means that the Soul will indeed recreate dynamics, reflected through it's circumstantial life, that are of it's past. Yet as those circumstances manifest that do symbolize the past the Soul in this new phase conjunction is now giving itself the evolutionary challenge to make NEW CHOICES as those past life dynamics are repeated. The new choices thus allows the Soul to be finally freed from those past life dynamics. The awareness of those new choices occurs because of the active reflection that took place during the balsamic conjunction when the S.Node ruler was conjunct natal Pluto.

God Bless, Rad

[Melita]

This means that the Soul will indeed recreate dynamics, reflected through it's circumstantial life, that are of it's past. Yet as those circumstances manifest that do symbolize the past the Soul in this new phase conjunction is now giving itself the evolutionary challenge to make NEW CHOICES as those past life dynamics are repeated. The new choices thus allows the Soul to be finally freed from those past life dynamics. The awareness of those new choices occurs because of the active reflection that took place during the balsamic conjunction when the S.Node ruler was conjunct natal Pluto.

Dear Rad, thank you for being kind enough to answer my question.

Blessings,
Melita