Skipped Steps

[Rad]

Hi Marty,

Again, thanks for making the effort to contribute to this segment for Chloe and Shaw. The dynamics you have identified within their relationship relative to their ongoing evolutionary journey, dynamics that need to be addressed and actualized in order to continue to evolve, so that the skipped steps become resolved, are all within the realm of the archetypal possibilities symbolized in their composite chart.

Good effort Marty.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Helena,

First, thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment of our thread for Chloe and Shaw. You have rightly focused on the specific dynamics within their relationship that correlates to the skipped steps between them, and why. You have also rightly focused on the ways to resolve those skipped steps in very practical ways that would allow them to do just that. It is interesting to consider that the current life is the first life for them in which they HAVE THE SAME MOTHER relative to their father. This current life mother is in fact the driving force for them to address and learn about these core dynamics within their relationship, and what adjustments, S.Node in Virgo, ruler Mercury conjunct Moon in Capricorn in the 6th, are needed that allow for the resolution of their existing dynamics that have lead to those skipped steps. It is those very practical adjustments early in their life together, in this life, that will allow for those skipped steps to resolve, and for their ongoing relationship to evolve.

Good EA work Helena.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

All,

I am posting this link to a lecture JWG gave a long time ago called The Sixth House: Issues In Self Improvement because of Chloe's and Shaw's composite S.Node being in Virgo in the 2nd house, with it's ruler Mercury conjunct the Moon in Cap in their 6th House. Self improvement implies the adjustments necessary to do just that. And that is a key to the resolution node for both of them: the S.Node in Virgo in their 2nd which is all about the inner dynamics that have existed within their relationship as a unit.

https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,1079.0.html

God Bless, Rad

[Bhaskara]

Hi Everyone,

Rad thank you for sharing the lecture on the 6th house. I am wondering if you could please expand upon the meaning of the Ruler of the 6th house cusp being placed in the 5th house? Is this going back to learning the 6th house lessons of humility doubly or is this about taking the steps to self improvement for actialization of the the ruler of the 6th being in the 5th or is that only in the context of the whole chart that can be determined?

Thank you,
Heather

[marty]

Rad and all,

   thank you for your teaching and your time and all your interpretations. thank you, Rad, for posting the '6th House Self Improvement' lecture.

   in spirit,

   marty

[Rad]

Hi Heather,

The whole context must be understood in order to know the why of that placement.

God Bless, Rad

[dollydaydream]

Rad, thanks for the link to JWG lecture.  I am busy travelling and what not over the next week, but will be reading it and looking at the composite chart with an awareness of the Virgo/6th archetype.

[Helena]

Hi Rad,

what a great reading suggestion. I've been reading it in the past but there is a moment for everything and at that point you just get it, no? It's also interesting, because it's a 'perfect' 6th house matter, that the ability to 'get it' is directly linked with the surging of the opportunity to apply it, recognising it and working on it in a practical way afterall. Many thanks, Rad, you are such a wonderful teacher!

I've thinking about it applied to the composite and since the mercury rules the 12th and is on the 6th, there is pattern of what Jeff Green was describing as such an enormous task, to practically work on the 12th house ideal, that might be a situation of never feeling able to actualize it, never feeling ready. I wonder if the balsamic conjunct to the moon here might represent the culmination of this ideal mother archetype that each has been searching for and the natural struggle/anger (opposing mars on the 12th) derived from that inability.
In that scenario makes sense that what needs to be purified, perfected, comes to that jupiter in the 5th in scorpio square neptune, meaning, excessive exceptions towards the truth in what their combined egocentric structures are actually able to actualise in the context of the relationship.

It looks like gigantic work, so i question if it is appropriate/relevant to bring to topic here the role of the actual mother in this life. I mean, the mother symbol here comes with the necessary authority and sense of practically, capricorn, to actual help curb this expectations or if the mother also is combining a role of working on its own need to atone for excessive authority in other lives and actually from there be a force for change?
Can we look at the composite also in this way?

Thank you,
Helena

[Rad]

Hi Helena,

The way to understand the current life mother for them is to remember that the current life mother is the first time they each have had the same mother. The current life mother is actually from another life in which she was a 'nanny' type to them in the context of a family in which the father totally dominated the women that he was with including both of their own biological mothers. Thus, such mothers were deeply repressed, abused, and essentially unavailable to them emotionally/ psychologically.

In the role of a nanny the current life mother tried as best she could to give them what they needed. And that is exactly what she is trying to do in the current life as the mother of birth for them both.

God Bless, Rad

[Helena]

Hi Rad,

that is truly a selfless job from their mother, very beautiful to witness and i guess also the positive service from the natural expression of the 6th house. Thank you for clarifying that.

All the best,
Helena

[Tashi]

Dearest Rad

I have been looking at this composite and just wondering a very simple thing.  Are these possibly budding young EA Astrologers who, as their composite Moon Mercury in the sixth draws them towards Virgo self-improvement through research and study, and as they are also motivated by their North Node Uranus conjunction in the 8th ruled by Neptune and Juno bringing them to a need to be self-empowered through learning some very new way to see their reality and each other?  With Pluto in Sag are we seeing a new wave of young EA astrologers?  God I hope so.

We see that  the Moon and Mercury suggests learning/improving stemming from their mother.  And we know the Mother is asking for EA level help, so there she is in their 6th house.  And the Uranus No Node wants New Answers as well. 

(jwg's famous freedom from the known)

Ruled by the Neptune Juno says they can discover these new truths together.  So, do they, at some point receive an education ( Moon Merc), along the lines of Evolutionary Astrology, that helps that Pluto in Sag learn natural law? 

Does the enormous creativity in the composite, with the 5h Pluto ruled by a stellium in Leo in the first, brings a new generation to the planet?  I hope those souls with the closing trine from inner planets to Pluto in Sag have the talent to learn more and demonstrate more Natural Law than I might be able to imagine. 

To further quote JWG's wonderful 6h house post - The sign on the sixth house tells us what the inherent negatives would be that would have to be purified, adjusted, and improved

With Capricorn on their 6th house, ruled by Saturn at 19 Leo conj  Venus at 19 Leo we know from their synastry and individual charts they have both coveted the attention they received from past lives in which they were talented and competitive. So with the Saturn Venus Quincunx to the Mercury Sun in the 6th they might make  adjustments to study, purify, and value(Venus) and find practical (saturn and the 6h both) ways to learn the way out of their competitive conundrum.  Leo Capricorn is an interesting Quinx.  Talent/Leadership. 

Focusing on their 6h... Perhaps they will learn to serve each other and with the emphasis on the 7h and 8h, even many others.

They could just work on their own situation, or in a perfect scenario, they would also ) of course later in life ) teach/lead, start a school, study something together?  Is the Uranus north node going to be about technology or is there enough evolution to have the moon mercury also be about service to others, while integrating lessons of their past lives?

JWG 6Th house post goes on to say

One of the basic issues in Virgo and the sixth house that most of us don't realize is that Virgo/sixth house correlates to a sense of guilt that cannot be intellectualized, cannot be rationalized. You can't put your conscious finger on the thing and say that's why.  And because of this inherent guilt--keeping in mind that one of the archetypes of the sixth is purification--when any time you set up the need to purify, it implies something else, doesn't it? Impurity, which itself can be connected to this sense of guilt.  So what happens is that the sixth house via the twelfth house polarity creates the need to atone. One of the acts of atonement is not to do the thing for yourself you should do when you should do it. It's a subconscious voice that says I need this state of crisis, you see? I need this sense of pain. I need to have this sense that my life is not working quite right

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So for their on going self improvement to develop through action that first house Saturn in LEO in the stellium with Venus and the Sun and Palls Athena, seems to be another indication of harnessing all that 5h Pluto WILL to develop a bigger picture.  Without Pallas they might not be so directed to work with it psychologically, and we could have a repeat of the talented young children once again.  But the quinx, and the overall picture allows us to see that they will learn to harness this enormous will and talent for something lofty  Does Uranus on Eros can also be that they will have a passionate love to do something really worthwhile this time?  I don't use Eros and am just learning how to use these outer wheel nodes of the Planets so please bear with me while I learn. 

This also all in a classic YOD - Boomerange formation of 18 LEO to 18 Pisces to 22 Cap 1,6 and 8 houses opposite the Mars at 17 Cancer in the 12h.

I am assuming that with these children there is an evolutionary momentum that has brought their mother, that Moon Mercury into offering/teaching and demonstrating the warmth and earthy dignity of Capricorn, the leadership skills and the inner practical strategies the 6h house possibilities.  The nanny scenario fits the sixth house, thanks for telling us that.  It makes so much sense now.  I was struggling to see the mother until I knew that.  She looks like she will hold up the mars/moon mercury mirror for them to finally stop their projections and hopefully harness all this talent.

The guilt and atonement of the Mars in Cancer in the 12 house opposite this Moon/Mercury shows the critical (full phase )need to bring awareness and action to their past lives and the violence and missteps.  As they mature I am confident that the mother who is also learning from Kristen about how to help them atone, will be guided out of the stuck arenas as that Mars promises movement towards ultimate meaning (12H)and a healthier perspective on the whole picture of their new life together. 

The argumentative/competitive level of Mars opposite Moon and Mars opposite Mercury may now be harnessed into awareness, as the efforts to self-improvement continues.  We know Chloe has been working on this in her past lives as seen in her own chart. 

I believe you told me to look at

RAD:  "5th House Pluto rules her SNodes of Mars, Mercury, and Venus in Scorpio in her 4th House. Within that 4th house is her Sun in Scorpio conjunct asteroid Ceres, ruled by that same 5th House Pluto, and square that Mars in Leo in the 12th. This key correlates to the incredible inner intensity within her Soul"¦"

We know Chloe has this enormous capacity to love Shaw and the way you described she envelops him.  And again I trust the Boomerang Mars opposite Mercury and the Moon will help the mother teach them a more grounded way to overcome their competitive past life karma.  The yods will create humility and an  ability to listen to their own mother.  They look like they are ready to face the music ( full phase mars to moon mercury ) and move on towards a new 7h/8h dynamic of shared resources and enlightening breakthroughs that overcome traumas.

I take it then that the other YOD - Neptune (7h 19 AQ)  Mars 12H 17 Can to the SO NODE (18 Virgo 2h) with another Boomerage to Saturn Venus (19 LEO 1h) in the composite chart now shows another level of adjustments they will be able to make. 

Neptune ( and Juno ) as the finger of this yod, ruling the 8h NONODE Uranus conjunction hopefully points to a spiritual understanding through their join application and commitment ( Juno) to looking at the big picture of their interdependence ( Neptune ) and does the opposition means they can find a new platform for both their value systems and their talent?

I think this double boomerang may be called a butterfly pattern?  Lets hope they are ready to emerge from their cocoon and fly.  In any case it is a ride or cry lifetime.

I am an optimist, and I hope this is not too lofty within the archetypal possibilities you have taught.

I have Pluto in my 6t,.exactly stationed on my North Node, so how synchronistic for me to be here with you and the Pluto school and this in depth study of the 6h.  I am sure you know how grateful I am for this opportunity to keep learning.  I really look forward to acquiring the knowledge to use the planetary nodes with the charts...

Tashi

[Upasika]

Hi Rad,

I've started catching up and closer to writing something, but have also had several delays in my schedule, so not sure when I'll actually get pen to paper ... could be 5 or 6 days away. If it's still going then that'd be good but I realize that may be too far away.

blessings Upasika

[Rad]

Hi Tashi,

First, thanks for taking the time to contribute to this segment for Shaw and Chloe relative to their composite chart.

There is no way of knowing at this point whether or not they will as a unite, together, investigate or learn something like EA, or any other specific form or knowledge. They are simply to young at this point to know about such future choices.

The real core of their relationship together, the resolution of the skipped steps, is to learn how to objectify each other individual reality so as to know one another, within the context of their relationship, as each actually is versus the projections that have come before. In this way they not only become FRIENDS, Uranus on the composite N.Node, the polarity point of Pluto, but they the also are learning together how to listen to  one another, to actually hear each others individual realities, and thus learning how to give and receive from one another in the context their relationship what each actually needs versus projecting upon one another what each thinks the other needs.

Thus,  this core correlates to the adjustments and improvements in their relationship together that the mother is a driving force for at this point in time.

You asked:

"Neptune ( and Juno ) as the finger of this yod, ruling the 8h NONODE Uranus conjunction hopefully points to a spiritual understanding through their join application and commitment ( Juno) to looking at the big picture of their interdependence ( Neptune ) and does the opposition means they can find a new platform for both their value systems and their talent?

A 'spiritual' understanding is not necessary for them to understand together the objective reality of each other in the context of their relationship. Talking and listening together with the intent to really hear one another as each actually is will suffice for them to do this. In  that way they can help each other understand the individual possibilities that correlate to a new platform for their individual value systems and talents.

Thanks for your effort Tashi.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Upasika,

Yes, we can wait. So please go ahead.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

All,

After we have finished up with Chloe and Shaw I have been thinking of continuing this thread on skipped steps.

My idea, and thus question to all of you, is to look at the birth chart of Putin because it has a strong skipped step signature(s). Given this point in time in our collective reality of the planet I thought this may be very interesting and relevant to do. We could even examine, at some point, the relationship between him and Trump.

So let me know your thoughts on this possibility.

God Bless, Rad