Spiritual stage details

[Skywalker]

Hi Rad,

I´m trying to determine differences in inner experiences regarding the spiritual stages of awareness. Sometimes it´s hard to understand and determine exactly where a Soul is stationed.

In the Glossary Adina stated this:

" Samadhi is simply realization or oneness with God, and there are two main stages of samadhi: savikalpa samadhi and nirvikalpa samadhi. According to what Wolf taught, typically one has experienced the first stage of samadhi by the end of the 1st stage Spiritual, and the next three stages by the end of 2nd stage Spiritual, with the last three stages of samadhi occurring within the 3rd stage Spiritual. Savikalpa samadhi includes these first four stages of samadhi, and nirvikalpa samadhi includes the last three. As one's consciousness begins to expand, from the beginning of seeing the spiritual eye thru the first four stages of samadhi, the center of gravity of that consciousness is in the process of moving from ego to Soul. It is the movement from savikalpa samadhi to nirvikalpa samadhi that marks the evolution from 2nd stage Spiritual to 3rd stage Spiritual. When one reaches that 5th stage of samadhi, marking the entry into 3rd stage Spiritual, the center of gravity of one's consciousness is finally anchored in the Soul, rather than the ego."

What are the stages of samadhi that Adina is referring to?  Could you give a brief explanation of what experiences correlate with each stage?

Also, is it possible that a Soul has achieved these inner realizations in past lives yet is not aware of them in the current life and seems less evolved than really is?

Can all Souls who see or sense spirits be considered to be in the spiritual level?

At what stage does a Soul become aware of the Causal realm?

Does the inner guilt that leads to the spiritual downfall in the second substage persist into the third substage as the Soul continues to atone and align with the will of the Source?

Thank you

All the best

[Rad]

Hi Skywalker,

"What are the stages of samadhi that Adina is referring to?  Could you give a brief explanation of what experiences correlate with each stage?"

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They simply reflect the natural evolution of the Soul's consciousness within the 3 stages of the spiritual state: from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stages.

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"Also, is it possible that a Soul has achieved these inner realizations in past lives yet is not aware of them in the current life and seems less evolved than really is?"

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No

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"Can all Souls who see or sense spirits be considered to be in the spiritual level?"

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Sure, but it's not limited to that level of evolution. In other words, such seeing or sensing can occur to many different types of humans / their evolutionary stage of development.

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"At what stage does a Soul become aware of the Causal realm?"

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1st Stage spiritual. That awareness of it does not mean that the consciousness can expand or access it at that point. Souls can only actually expand or access it once the Soul have evolved to the astral realm and requires no more lives on planets like the Earth: the material plane. Souls within the astral realm who have evolved in that way, no longer needing lives within the material plane, and have evolved within the astral to expand their consciousness to the causal plane, can make a choice to reenter the material plane. Thus, in the human form in the material plane we call the Earth can then access that realm within it's own evolved consciousness. Yuketswar is a perfect example of this.

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"Does the inner guilt that leads to the spiritual downfall in the second substage persist into the third substage as the Soul continues to atone and align with the will of the Source?"

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Any natural cause of guilt will be sustained within the Soul, and it's memories, from life to life so that it does not repeat the behavior that has caused that natural guilt in the first place.

God Bless, Rad

[Gonzalo]

Hi Skywalker,

"Also, is it possible that a Soul has achieved these inner realizations in past lives yet is not aware of them in the current life and seems less evolved than really is?"

Of course it is possible. Not that they can 'seem', but that they have not yet fully embraced their current level of realization in early stages of their lives, until they do embrace it. There is a lecture given by Jeff Green that speaks about that phenomenon. Perhaps it is 'From karma to Dharma'. There he succinctly exposes the situation of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint Francis of Assisi (a prior lifetime of Yogananda), Milarepa and even Yukteswar. Jeff Green says those Souls were, ie. actually behaved like 'sexual deviants' in those lifetimes, before actualizing their level of evoution. Milarepa was also a black magician trained in the Bompo tradition who killed lots of people, as per Tibetan records. Onlye once he realized what he had done and decided to attone for his sins, did he actualize his realization and became 'perhaps Tibet's greatest Saint'.   

We can all see examples of this phenomenon, it is extremely frequent.     

God Bless,

Gonzalo

[Skywalker]

Hi Rad and Gonzalo,

Rad what I meant to ask is what dynamics or cosmic experiences/revelations correlate with the stages of samadhi that Adina spoke about in the various sub stages, what are the actual experiences?

What you said regarding the causal plane is perplexing to me as I have experienced/accessed the causal plane for myself, as you know. How can that be?

Thank you

All the best

[Kristin]

Gonzalo,

The questions re: the Spiritual State were addresses to Rad. What you inserted was "your teaching" not anything JWG taught.

I have read everything that JWG has ever written, listened to every lecture given, including attended live schools and I have never heard what it is you are claiming here. JWG never said that Yogananda was a sexual deviant , he was a tantric master. And Yukteswar, really? Never.  I saw the Karma to Dharma DVD series you are referring to, more than once, and that is not what's in it. It is simply bizarre to me that you took this to places in the ways that you have.

The MB here is to teach what was actually taught by JWG, not what he didn't teach. What you are trying to say he taught is not what he taught.

Kristin

[Rad]

Gonzalo,

JWG did not teach that the Souls you are referring to were 'sexual deviants'. This mb is about teaching EA, and what JWG taught about it. Not what he didn't.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

Hi Skywalker,

Rad what I meant to ask is what dynamics or cosmic experiences/revelations correlate with the stages of samadhi that Adina spoke about in the various sub stages, what are the actual experiences?

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I just don't have the time or the inclination to go into all that. That sort of information is readily available from many sources on the Internet: http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/universality/universality_06.html .... https://yogainternational.com/article/view/the-stages-of-samadhi-according-to-the-ashtanga-yoga-tradition ... http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi/ ...

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"What you said regarding the causal plane is perplexing to me as I have experienced/accessed the causal plane for myself, as you know. How can that be?"

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What I know Skywalker is that you have said that you have. That's all. I would suggest again that you read the ultimate authority of such things: Yuketswar.......... The Holy Science.

God Bless, Rad

[Skywalker]

Hi Rad,

Thank you for the links, I will look into them.

Regarding the causal realm and what I said to you was that I had experienced a realm in which everything could be immediately experienced without any type of limitation and I was asking if that was what they call the fifth dimension and if it is our natural un-incarnate state. Your reply to me was that there is a realm in which that is possible and it´s called the causal realm, the realm that Yukteswar inhabits. I had no real concept of the causal realm prior to that, which is why I ask you about it because you have knowledge about these things. I have read about it in the auto biography of a yogi and in the holy science but it opens up more questions. There was nothing, simply the ability to instantly manifest anything of my desire, but maybe it wasn´t the causal realm, I have no idea.

If it´s ok to ask again, what do you make of it?

Thank you Rad

All the best

[Rad]

Hi Skywalker,

The Causal universe/ realm is one in which the Soul has evolved into. It's consciousness has expanded to the point wherein it can create and destroy universes at will. It is the very natural law of Creation itself. There is of course so much more to this that is taught by among others, Yuketswar in his book. I have personally never heard of the 'fifth dimension' until you mentioned it in that post. From your explanation it simply reminded me of the teachings/ truth of what Yuketswar has taught.

God Bless, Rad

[Skywalker]

Hi Rad,

So maybe it wasn´t the causal realm, I will make sense of it in time, thank you again.

Back to my original question of a Soul becoming aware of the causal plane, when you say being aware of it in spiritual 1 do you mean having a concept of it, like reading of it in a book?

Thanks
All the best

[Rad]

Hi Skywalker,

Yes. And remember the natural limitation, due to the human form, the the expansion/ evolution of consciousness can not exceed.

God Bless, Rad

[Skywalker]

Hi Rad,

After reading what you just said about the limitations of the human form I remembered that when I had that experience of the ability to instantly manifest, I had suspended the breath and if I remember correctly, (this experience was a long time ago) merged with the third eye and experienced the OM and then had other inner  experiences/realizations. At one point I penetrated to the core of the fear/tension in my emotional body and a past life ego appeared and dissolved. I think that was when I was free to have the instant manifesting experience... it was really a long time ago so hard to remember.  I don´t know if you remember but once I asked you a question about this experience of someone within me which seemed to have a "life of its own" and you explained it was a past life ego of mine, which of course it was and it was part of this whole experience.

If the breath was suspended then that could be the reason why I was able to experience what I did, since that is what allows us to go beyond the limitation of the human form, correct?

Thank you

All the best

[Rad]

Hi Skywalker,

"If the breath was suspended then that could be the reason why I was able to experience what I did, since that is what allows us to go beyond the limitation of the human form, correct?"

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No. What you are saying about your experience can occur within the parameters, limitations, of the human form. The example we have been discussing, the Causal plane, reflects that for most Soul's in human form the limitation of it, the parameters of what is and is not possible, is not possible to consciously enter or expand into.

God Bless, Rad

[Gonzalo]

Hi Rad and Kristin,

Ok, and thanks for clarifying. I have reviewed the segment and in fact, it does not say such thing from those Souls. Only from Milarepa. It does speak in general about the intensification of separating desires by the action of kundalini and a purification of those desires in the earlier part of their lives.

God Bless,
Gonzalo