Aspects and orb

[Sree]

Hi,

I have read about Aspects and Phases from pluto book 1 & 2 and also here under 'Aspects, Phases, and Key Planetary Pairs by Jeffrey Wolf Green'.I have a question in my mind for a while which i can't find it out any where,thought i will be Ok to ask it here.

If pluto or any planet makes an angle of about 169 degree with other planet ,does it is taken as an opposition.
My point is every planet is linked to another planet by an angle and by considering phases as a form of "becoming"  ,do we by introducing aspects and orb avoid some angles or do we take an angle and consider it as an aspect to the near by specific aspect.
If we only take in certain angles as aspect by means of orb , what is the accepted orb used in EA and why it is so - As i feel every angle  is pointing to something the person is becoming within the whole chart.With respect to Pluto what does a un aspected planet or node means .What if pluto is un aspected to moon nodes.
I first thought that very angle has a meaning and need to be considered, but when i read Pluto  book 1 on page 24 - first edition ,it is written 'The NUMBER of aspects pluto forms to other planets determines the degree of evolutionary pace or change in any life........".So to find the number we need to know the
orb used ? or Is there anything else i am totally missing out.

I am from India and my first language is not English .....

Thank You
Sree

[Linda]

If pluto or any planet makes an angle of about 169 degree with other planet ,does it is taken as an opposition.

If Pluto or any planet makes an angle of 169 degrees with another planet, this is not an opposition.  It would be treated as a phasal relationship that is within the gibbous phase.

The orb for an opposition is 10 deg on either side, that is, between 170 to 180.  And between 180 to 190.

169 degrees is not strictly an opposition (but some astrologers may treat it as such).

My point is every planet is linked to another planet by an angle and by considering phases as a form of "becoming"  ,do we by introducing aspects and orb avoid some angles or do we take an angle and consider it as an aspect to the near by specific aspect.

If an angle is not within orb of an aspect then it is not taken to the nearest aspect, but rather it is treated as being within a phasal relationship.

If we only take in certain angles as aspect by means of orb , what is the accepted orb used in EA and why it is so - As i feel every angle  is pointing to something the person is becoming within the whole chart.

With respect to Pluto what does a un aspected planet or node means .

Unaspected planets

A planet with no aspects to it operates in a Uranian like way: meaning it is free to act in the ways, manifest in the ways, that it feels drawn to act and manifest that is not being "˜conditioned' by any other planet(s) by way of no aspects to them. Thus, such a planet can act to help a Soul accelerate its evolutionary journey because it is operating as an independent evolutionary force that is not bound by any other planet, archetype. Thus, it serves as a "˜liberating' archetype from existing conditions within the Soul. From the point of view of EA it is then necessary to determine why the Soul has chosen to be born with a planet that has no other aspects to other planets. There is always a reason for anything. "Unaspected" means no aspects whatsoever. Which is why such a thing is very rare. It is the same idea as a "˜void of course' Moon. (Rad)

What if pluto is un aspected to moon nodes.

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I first thought that very angle has a meaning and need to be considered, but when i read Pluto  book 1 on page 24 - first edition ,it is written
'The NUMBER of aspects pluto forms to other planets determines the degree of evolutionary pace or change in any life........".
So to find the number we need to know the orb used ? or Is there anything else i am totally missing out.

Please see table above.  


Thank you,

Linda



Rad:  Could you please check the above for accuracy.

[Sree]

Hi Linda,

Thanks for the quick replay - really helpful

Checking whether i got it correct

If Pluto or any planet makes an angle of 169 degrees with another planet, this is not an opposition.  It would be treated as a phasal relationship that is within the gibbous phase.         

If 169 degree is not linked to a  specific aspect but treated as a phasal relationship that is within the gibbous phase ,then does it mean that it express more within Triseptile (154 degree) gibbous phase condition .

A planet with no aspects to it operates in a Uranian like way: meaning it is free to act in the ways, manifest in the ways, that it feels drawn to act and manifest that is not being "˜conditioned' by any other planet(s) by way of no aspects to them

So it means that an unaspected planet express itself without the condition of any other planet  but still under the condition of phasal relation .

When we say unaspected does it means unaspected to a particular planet only or to all other planets or both

Thank You
Sree

[Rad]

Hi Linda,

Yes, all is accurate.

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

If 169 degree is not linked to a  specific aspect but treated as a phasal relationship that is within the gibbous phase ,then does it mean that it express more within Triseptile (154 degree) gibbous phase condition .

No.

. . . an unaspected planet express itself without the condition of any other planet  but still under the condition of phasal relation .

Yes.

When we say unaspected does it means unaspected to a particular planet only or to all other planets or both

All.



Thank you,

Linda

[Sree]

Hi Linda,Rad

Thanks for clarification.

I have one more question by taking into reference with the quote below

The number of aspects pluto forms to other planets determines the degree of evolutionary pace or change in any life - Pluto  book 1 on page 24  first edition

If a chart doesn't have good number of aspect with pluto but has large number of planetary pairs (not necessary with pluto involved) in last quarter and balsamic phase,then does it accelerate the evolutionary pace of the person.

Thank You
Sree

[Skywalker]

Hi Sree,

In my understanding the answer to your question is no. Planetary pairs in balsamic relationship indicates an ending of an evolutionary cycle of development between those two planetary functions.

The more aspects Pluto makes, the more planets in Scorpio or in the Eighth House, correlates to archetypes that are meant to be metamorphosed in the current life and thus evolution will occur because of that metamorphosis.

All the best

[Sree]

Hi Skywalker

When i asked the above question i had the following in my mind

Evolution is to Know the source (Neptune) that happen through soul (Pluto) journey (individual journey) .And i intuited that through last quarter and balsamic phase ( correlating it to Neptune) the source itself is intensifying the process of knowing itself.

Neptune doesn't symbolize the individual journey but  through last quarter and balsamic PHASE ( correlating it to Neptune), it in a way triggers a PROCESS and thus symbolize the individual journey also ,but with less intensity .

Thank you
Sree

[Skywalker]

Hi Sree,

from the EA Glossary:

In the balsamic phase the main archetype within it is CULMINATION. The culmination of the entire cycle that began at the new phase. The attunement to the Divine in this phase is a core archetype yet many, many Souls will not be consciously embracing it as such. For many, this archetype morphs into a state of total disillusionment that sets in motion the need to begin anew, the movement towards the new phase, or the sense of becoming totally worn out or exhausted due to an entire cycle coming to a place of culmination. Yet, because the two planets are in this balsamic state being "˜forced' to live them out anyway even as they desire not to: the need to begin anew.
The intention in this is to create within the Soul's consciousness an active state of reflection that allows for a complete awareness of all the dynamics that have been responsible for the types of realities that the Soul has created because of those dynamics. Self- knowledge is the result, and intent. In this way the Soul then lays the groundwork for a positive culmination of those dynamics that then leads to the new phase down the line. Remember too there can be an "˜exhaustion' for some Souls who have felt they have "˜finished' with something, are done with it, yet are evolutionarily required to continue living these dynamics equaling circumstances via the two planets that are in this balsamic phase. (Rad)


All the best