Volunteer ~ "Jen" ~ EA Personal In-depth Chart and Transit Analysis

[Jen]

Linda and everyone,

When I read this it reminded me of another commitment to truth and natural law that I made.

What was illuminated (Uranus) on that day was your commitment (Saturn) to truth and Natural Law (9th).

It was the choice not to vaccinate my children.. not only the choice not to vaccinate but the choice to take full responsibility for every aspect of my own and my childrens lives. The choice to step into my own authority and to fully trust nature to be perfectly orchestrated exactly the way it is without interference. That no form of education gives another a better knowledge or understanding of myself, my needs, my childrens needs etc. It was a powerful decision and it has been tested many times since then and it was one of the ultimate realizations needed to connect to and strengthen my inner knowing and most importantly to trust it.

I looked to find when this awareness and choice had happened and it was on the days preceding the Transiting Saturn Direct conjunct Uranus on 21st August 2014.

Just to add more emphasis to this theme.

Jen

[Linda]

Jen's Chart

[Linda]

Hi Jen and everyone,


Thanks for your above post regarding the choice not to vaccinate your children and for providing answers to the many questions in this thread. I will draw up a table of aspects and events. You're doing great!


DAREDEVIL TENDENCY 

I remember feeling ok with the idea of death and didn't fear it. I would see it as the ultimate freedom. I used to do things like ride my bicycle through dangerous intersections with my eyes closed.

Daredevil tendency or taking risks correlates to Mars. Mars square Pluto (last quarter). When I read this and Jen's earlier statement ("I tempted fate on a daily basis"), I wondered if this was really an unconscious death wish since she also has those Neptune skipped steps. If she had been hit by a car, it would have been a very public death (Neptune conj MC ruled by Jupiter in Leo). Jen's statements also feel like she possibly needed to gain some attention from taking such risks (Mars in Cancer 5th).

Jen mentioned in her Bio violence in the past and that would correlate to Mars square Pluto and also to the South Node of Mars conjunct Pluto Libra 8th. I wondered if she were inflicting self-violence (Scorpio) and what would be the deeper reasons behind that.


NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS

I am fully exposed now and feel no need to hide behind any emotional walls.

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

In case you missed it in her Bio, Jen is very pregnant and due to give birth in January at which time transiting Pluto will oppose her Mars Cancer 5th:  NEW BIRTH!!  


Thanks,

Linda

[Jen]

Hi Linda and everyone,

Regarding your statements.. I believe I can add some more clarification.

Daredevil tendency or taking risks correlates to Mars. Mars square Pluto (last quarter). When I read this and Jen's earlier statement ("I tempted fate on a daily basis"), I wondered if this was really an unconscious death wish since she also has those Neptune skipped steps. If she had been hit by a car, it would have been a very public death (Neptune conj MC ruled by Jupiter in Leo). Jen's statements also feel like she possibly needed to gain some attention from taking such risks.

Jen mentioned in her Bio violence in the past and that would correlate to Mars square Pluto and also to the South Node of Mars conjunct Pluto Libra 8th. I wondered if she were inflicting self-violence (Scorpio) and what would be the deeper reasons behind that.

I believe that all of the above were true. Sometimes this behavior was purely for the thrill (Mars in Cancer 5th) other times it was about the need to liberate myself from emotional pain (Moon conjunct Uranus in Scorpio ruled by Pluto 8th/ Mars in Cancer square (disseminating phase) to Pluto 8th) There was a total lack of self-love and that in combination with the fearlessness and impulsive behavior and the need to remove limitations created many different dynamics.

I feel as though I came into this world not wanting to and found reasons to want to be here throughout life but they would be removed or change and then I would find myself in that space again. I was totally disconnected from any spiritual aspect in my life and felt like there was no meaning. I believe this is to do with the Neptune skipped steps? The returning desire but without the conscious realization of the ocean would lead to the death wish. That would be the only way to return to source.

What do you think?

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.

It definitely feels like this could be true. I would have never found myself doing this in the past and I have had to confront and process a number of fears already so it most certainly feels like evolutionary progress.

In case you missed it in her Bio, Jen is very pregnant and due to give birth in January at which time transiting Pluto will oppose her Mars Cancer 5th:  NEW BIRTH!! 

How exciting!! To add to this Pluto is transiting the 4th house in my solar return chart (not sure how to post it)

Thank you!
Jen

[PatriciaW]

Hi Jen and Cat, I was wondering why (Cat) that you were looking to the 11th house cusp as an indicator to persecution from past lives? It would seem to me that Neptune in Sag, in the 10th house square the nodes is already a direct reference to 'Religious Judgement' Persecution/ Oppression (10th house) because of or through Religious/Spiritual (Neptune/Sag) institutions/authorities (10th house) etc..  In relation to Jens comments about the Magdalene laundries... add that Neptune squares (Pisces/Virgo nodes) associated with Christianity. The Neptune signature also resonates here in some of your words Jen.. we normally associate the 10th house /Capricorn and Saturn, with a fall from grace. well with Neptune there its not hard to imagine being projected onto as one who has fallen from grace.. Gods grace even!! (as determined  by the authorities at the time.... with the prescribed remedy being, as you mention, Hard work, penance, atonement 10th house / Virgo).

LOL..Neptune is a slippery guy... in fact he slipped right by not being calculated in the original chart posted here (right in line with what we expect from him). Maybe.... all the more reason to look directly at his influence, especially as part of the karmic signature. 

Hi Cat and all,

Look at your 11th house. The 11th house ruler, Uranus is in the 9th house. The 11th house has Capricorn on the cusp ruled by Saturn in Virgo in the 7th House. This goes with what you are saying. If you focus on this and add all of the Saturn and Uranus aspects to this, it will give you more information about these past life experiences in which you were persecuted for your beliefs. Can you do that? Give it a try. Write it all down on a piece of paper with the keywords/archetypes. Meditate on it. See what comes to mind.  And then try to tie it all back to Pluto :-)

When connecting to the feeling of being rejected for my beliefs I feel that they are more about a natural state of being that of an actual belief system. It is about my own rejection of the patriarchal conditioning that has brought the persecution and made me feel alone in my truth.

I saw a film many years ago which always stayed with me as I connected so deeply to the story. It is called "The Magdalene Sisters" about young girls who were sent to the Magdalene asylums in Ireland for "crimes" such as flirting, speaking up after being raped or having a child out of wedlock etc. These were institutions for women who were labelled as "fallen" by their families or society, and were maintained by individual religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.  Magdalene Asylum's philosophy is to help young women return to God's grace through prayer, hard work and other forms of penance.

The trailer gives a fairly good picture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhXKI9tAI_M and you can clearly see this reflected in the archetypes in my chart.

Jen

[PatriciaW]

Hi Jen and everyone,

Neptune Sagittarius 10th skipped steps can correlate to a hiding signature. Maybe Jen is now in the process of resolving those skipped steps by coming out of hiding and broadcasting herself to the wider community via this one-year thread.


Thanks,

Linda

Linda what an beautiful observation!!! And Jen ...I would second that... the karmic condition of having ones Authentic self ( Sag) become suppressed/repressed (10th ) obfuscated and confused ( Neptune) ....and further Pisces/Virgo nodes in the 1st /7th, adding layers of dissappering, conforming to others expectations, internalizing others projections/expectations (as a part of ones own identity) ....YES this life it's time to )Virgo NN DEFINE yourself in relation to others (Ruler merc also in Leo in the 7th), with clear eyed discernment. Much more to be said about all this...as we all enjoy the progressive revelation of all-that-is-Jen.

[PatriciaW]

PS"¦ Slight diversion"¦..While I recently referred to Neptune as "˜he' and even cringed while I was typing it, I'd like to share that in some recent ponderings on the archetype of Neptune, outside of Greco/Roman patriarchal influence Neptune/Pisces associates, to me, quite nicely with the ancient Mesopotamian Goddess Tiamat.

See Wiki brief description"¦

"In Mesopotamian Religion (Sumerian, Assyrian, Akkadian and Babylonian), Tiamat is a chaos monster, a primordial goddess of the ocean, mating with Abzû (the god of fresh water) to produce younger gods. It is suggested that there are two parts to the Tiamat mythos, the first in which Tiamat is 'creatrix', through a "Sacred marriage" between salt and fresh water, peacefully creating the cosmos through successive generations. In the second "Chaoskampf" Tiamat is considered the monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos.[1] Although there are no early precedents for it, some sources identify her with images of a sea serpent or dragon.[2] In the Enûma Elish, the Babylonian epic of creation, she gives birth to the first generation of deities; her husband, Apsu, later makes war upon them and is killed. When she, too, wars upon her husband's murderers, she is then slain by Ea's son, the storm-god Marduk. The heavens and the earth are formed from her divided body."

In my understanding, the first representation of Tiamat as a primordial creatrix goddess pre-dates patriarchal influence, and the second representation, where she is overpowered by Marduk is theorized to represent Patriarchy overpowering matrifocal civilization.

[cat777]

Hi Patricia,

I was wondering why (Cat) that you were looking to the 11th house cusp as an indicator to persecution from past lives? It would seem to me that Neptune in Sag, in the 10th house square the nodes is already a direct reference to 'Religious Judgement' Persecution/ Oppression (10th house) because of or through Religious/Spiritual (Neptune/Sag) institutions/authorities (10th house) etc..

Umm, because I don't know what I am doing?    Seriously, I wasn't really taking an in-depth look at the chart like I should have been. It was just that when I read that statement by Jen, I automatically looked at her 11th house for some reason and saw it that way. To be honest, I did not look any further or at the skipped steps at all. It was just one of those first glance moments.  (Bad, bad, bad - I know) :-)  

What you point out is so correct. If I were to sit down and study this chart properly, I hope I would have picked up on that first as it is more significant. It's just that the word persecution seems to set off some need to look at the 11th/AQ/Urn archetype in me. I think this goes back to when we studied Lady Gaga :-)

Or maybe Neptune was hiding from me?  

LOL..Neptune is a slippery guy... in fact he slipped right by not being calculated in the original chart posted here (right in line with what we expect from him). Maybe.... all the more reason to look directly at his influence, especially as part of the karmic signature.  

Too funny!

[Linda]

Welcome Patricia!


Wonderful to have you join in.

Already, you have pin-pointed some very pertinent and amazing insights into Jen's chart.  

Bring it on!  

[PatriciaW]

Cat I was just questioning as I thought you were pointing out something I wasn't seeing. No problem.... its all in the service of learning. I observe that many signatures are often repeated in charts, which sometimes has people pointing to different things as the 'origin' of something. It certainly can get confusing!! In the EA paradigm one need to look no further, to start to discern karmic conditions, than Pluto and the nodes...(as we know with rulers aspects etc..). I am so hyper -focused on that as the bottom line of a chart that I often never even retain a persons sun sign..but years later I'll remember their Pluto and nodes ;-)

Hi Patricia,

I was wondering why (Cat) that you were looking to the 11th house cusp as an indicator to persecution from past lives? It would seem to me that Neptune in Sag, in the 10th house square the nodes is already a direct reference to 'Religious Judgement' Persecution/ Oppression (10th house) because of or through Religious/Spiritual (Neptune/Sag) institutions/authorities (10th house) etc..

Umm, because I don't know what I am doing?    Seriously, I wasn't really taking an in-depth look at the chart like I should have been. It was just that when I read that statement by Jen, I automatically looked at her 11th house for some reason and saw it that way. To be honest, I did not look any further or at the skipped steps at all. It was just one of those first glance moments.  (Bad, bad, bad - I know) :-)  

What you point out is so correct. If I were to sit down and study this chart properly, I hope I would have picked up on that first as it is more significant. It's just that the word persecution seems to set off some need to look at the 11th/AQ/Urn archetype in me. I think this goes back to when we studied Lady Gaga :-)

Or maybe Neptune was hiding from me?  

LOL..Neptune is a slippery guy... in fact he slipped right by not being calculated in the original chart posted here (right in line with what we expect from him). Maybe.... all the more reason to look directly at his influence, especially as part of the karmic signature.  

Too funny!

[dawncerise]

Hello All 

While a cake requires eggs, eggs alone do not make a cake, so rather than stopping on Pluto and the Nodes, I'd really like to learn more and to dig deeper. I'd like to study the inherent components of this intriguing chart, we want to pull out the stronger themes for dissection.

I see this chart as a unique picture describing Jen's graduating life experience...

Because of this, I'd like to go back to the Yod configuration with Vesta pulling focus through Uranus. Attaching to Linda's point of the 11th cusp as it pertains to the persecution signature indicated in Pluto & the Nodal Axis.
Can we explore this further? I'm seeing the previously noted Neptune conjunction to Vesta's South Node as an obvious clue worth deeper investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Jen, do you have some input on how these themes may have played out in your experiences? Do you have any stories on this theme? Timing?

Thank you,
Dawn Cerise

[Tashi]

Hi, weighing/waying in..
It seems to me that Jen your Neptune skipped step, with Pisces the sign of south Node in the first, and that loaded North Node, ruled by the Mercury Jupiter trining Neptune, suggests it is a lifetime that you become an inspired teacher, one who has moved beyond the personality of religion, as well as limiting belief systems of any kind. 

Instead I see you using the 10th house to be the example to others ( PL in Libra ) of a person whose dignity and integrity ( 10 h, Saturn conj no node ) allows her to stay in the be here now moments you describe earlier in the thread, as you become better in this life of embracing impermance.  As you mature you allow your true connection to the divine, and to mother nature's laws, to inform you. 

I see the North Node is suggesting that you again integrate the Capricorn theme of the Neptune in the 10th house to be responsible to how you earn your money ( venus no node Saturn) in this life.  The Virgo takes me back to the Chiron, healing your mind ( 3rd house ) and finding spiritual work.  Vesta conj Chiron backs this up, as does the 10h... again.

It seems that the( Uranus 17)  Moon ( a boomerang not a yod ) as the boomerang point of the yod to the apex (17 Vesta)  Chiron  ( healing your sacred work )  allows you to integrate your need for "freedom from the known", and your ability to be a psychic ( EA ) detective with your Soul's desire ( Pluto 17) and inspire and lead others (17 Neptune in the 10th house).  Also those lucky children who will learn so much from you, much like JWG's family.

The core of Pluto in Libra being backed up by the stellium and NO NODE in the 7h, one on one therapy/counselling, and of course the aries libra nodal axis showing us your need to find the balance between your personal need to be a parent (10H) and that which will truly help transform the lives of others.. ( no node conj Saturn, other 10h signature, leadership/guidance, giving others clarity and dignity). 

So, as you move away from all limiting beliefs ( neptune skipped step ) and find the balance between what you need for yourself for your own spiritual growth vedic use  south node for spiritual growth) pisces/ in the first house ) you will find the correct touch to both create financial support ( no node = material growth/ with venus  and saturn for practicality)and really stay in touch with an evolving truth, once again, rather than anything limiting, as you have stated yourself as well in an earlier thread... 

Uranus Moon opposite Vesta and Chiron tells me your emotional honesty is going to allow you work on yourself so that any new age spiritual fundamentalist virus trips are outgrown, suggesting a movement from first stage to second stage spirituality...   

Also the Sag quality suggests to me that you are here to write some books, as the Chiron Vesta in the third seems you perhaps avoided or put on hold... and doing so both helps your subconscious and emotional growth.  Moon Uranus giving you that be here now/ impermanent/ freedom from the know/ which gives your mind the ability to keep exploring all twelve pieces of the puzzle the 3rd house loves to explore.
Moon Uranus also suggests to me that the more you trust the moments, the provident uni-verse of mother nature, the more it showers you with blessings...

Hope some of this rings true...

Tashi
PS:  Question,  JWG taught me a 17 degree orb,  how did they get smaller?

[Linda]

Quote from EA Glossary:


USE AND FUNCTION OF PLANETARY NODES


Any natal planet will have its own North and South Nodes. The natal planets correlate to the current life of course. Yet each one of these planets has a past that has brought it to the current life. And that past is defined by not only the actual house and sign of the natal planet, but also its own South Node. Thus, the relationship between the natal planet by house, sign, and aspects correlates to the totality of its past that directly correlates to how and why it has come into the current life: the past that has led to the current moment, one's current life. So, in essence, the natal planet by house, sign, and aspect, relative to its South Node, is the totality of that past that has led to the current moment, the current life. This is no different than the South Node of the Moon, and the current natal Moon in one's birth chart. All the prior life egocentric structures created by the Soul that have correlated to prior life evolutionary dynamics that have led to the current life, the current egocentric structure that has been created because of the totality of the past. The current life Moon sign is the bridge between the past and the future, its North Node, as integrated and lived on a moment to moment basis in the context of the current life. Thus, the current life Moon by house, sign, and aspects, relative to its Nodes, and the planetary ruler of those Nodes by their own house and sign locations, the aspects to them, is the constant that evolves within itself as a reflection of this dynamic tension between the past and the future as integrated in each moment of our life.

This is exactly the same for all of our planets. They are in their own houses and signs, making whatever aspects to other planets, that have all contributed to the past life development of those planets that constitute the existing reality for any of us at the moment of birth. The South Nodes of these planets, like the South Node of the Moon, correlates to the history of those planets at different points in time. This correlates to the inner memories in any of our Souls that have all lead to the orientation of our Souls to the current life that we are living, the very reasons for the current life in all of its dimensions that must keep evolving, keep moving towards a future that is reflected in the ongoing evolutionary intentions for our Souls. All planets have their North Nodes, just as the Moon does. The North Node of these planets, like the Moon, correlates to the evolutionary progression and development of those planets. The natal position of the (whatever) planet, like the Moon, correlates to how the dynamic tension of our past and future is lived and integrated in each moment of our life. In essence, our past leads to the current moment, and that current moment is always moving towards a future. We can only know that there is in fact a future because we have had a past. The past leading to the moment is that which serves as the way any of us integrate, and move forwards into our future, where that future is the evolutionary intentions for our current life.

Thus, the North Nodes of the planets serve as the vehicles for the evolutionary future to manifest which is integrated in each moment by the natal position of those planets. The Nodes of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto move very, very slowly over great lengths of time. Thus, they have a generational as well as an individual application. Individual because they will be in each person's natal chart somewhere that is unique to that person. Yet generational because they are in the same sign for all of us. The South Nodes of Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn are in Capricorn for all of us. The North Nodes of Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn are in Cancer for all of us. Historically speaking, the South Nodes of these planets are in Capricorn, and that is the time frame in which the transition between the Matriarchy and the Patriarchy occurred. All Souls on Earth as a result are linked to that time whether they actually lived at that time or not. It is the COLLECTIVE MEMORY of that time that all Souls will draw upon as reflected in the current life they are living. So too with the South Node of Uranus which will be in Sagittarius for all of us, its North Node in Gemini. And the South Node of Neptune is in Aquarius for all of us, and its North Node in Leo. The North Nodes of all of these planets thus correlate to all peoples living on the planet now. They correlate to the evolutionary intentions for the entire species as that species, human beings, continue to evolve as a species. And, of course, the ongoing evolutionary intentions and necessities of the species can only be understood in direct relationship of the past of that species: the South Nodes.

Mars, Mercury, and Venus and their Nodes move through the signs much more quickly that the outer planets do. And these planets all correlate to that which is highly personal and unique to each Soul, its own individual reality that exists within the context of living with all the other humans that are living at the same time. The same principles of the past leading to the moment, and how that moment moves to the future, apply in these Nodes as well of course. The natal sign of these planets is that which is the constant, that which integrates the dynamic tension between the past and the future that is experienced in each moment. This then allows for an evolution to take place within the natal sign and house of these planets. (Rad)

[Linda]

Hello dawncerise,


YOD

While a cake requires eggs, eggs alone do not make a cake, so rather than stopping on Pluto and the Nodes, I'd really like to learn more and to dig deeper. I'd like to study the inherent components of this intriguing chart, we want to pull out the stronger themes for dissection.

I'm in ~ and I hope many others will add to this particular part of the discussion/dissection in order to gain deeper insight.

. . . I'd like to go back to the Yod configuration with Vesta pulling focus through Uranus. Attaching to Linda's point [this was Cat's point   ] of the 11th cusp as it pertains to the persecution signature indicated in Pluto & the Nodal Axis. Can we explore this further? I'm seeing the previously noted Neptune conjunction to Vesta's South Node as an obvious clue worth deeper investigation. Thoughts anyone?

PLUTO SQUARING ITS OWN NODES


As I began to dissect the Yod, I discovered something very important.  

Beginning with Pluto in the primary evolutionary/karmic axis:

-  South Node of Pluto 18 deg Capricorn 11th
-  Pluto 17 deg Libra 8th
-  North Node of Pluto 21 deg Cancer 5th

Pluto is t-square its own Nodes!  

This symbolism has generational applications in terms of the houses, thus Jen's individual relationship with her Pluto Libra generation and how it serves her evolutionary intentions. If we employ the technique for skipped steps, then resolution to the past enormous developmental stress (resistance, unwillingness to change, inertia, fixity) of the t-square can be found at the North Node of Pluto 21 deg Cancer 5th (children, creative self-expression, emotional self-security).

In the Soul's past lives journey it sought to understand the psychology of relationships through the principles of penetration (Pluto Libra 8th) in minute detail (ruler of Pluto: Venus Virgo 7th), but experienced traumatic shocks, persecution and judgment (Capricorn) from her group of friends (11th) and how to express her will and power (5th).

The resolution through Cancer 5th is to take charge of her own destiny, and to break free from the past (11th). The in-depth psychological investigations can then be put to creative use (rather than remaining in emotional inertia). It also means that the Soul must learn to take the initiative (Cancer cardinal) and not wait for the approval of her generation. Jen has shared some proof of this through thinking for herself: not vaccinating her children, thus going against the consensus of her generation. Jen is different and she is learning to create emotional safety to harness her power and develop her own purpose and link it to society in a constructive way. Through self-actualization and understanding that others are just as special as she is, she can become an effective teacher and instrument of generational change.

Through thoroughly understanding the Soul, its past, and its desires (Pluto Libra 8th), we can then tie this understanding into our examination of the Yod and any other symbol in the chart.

Much more to come . . .


Thanks,

Linda

[Linda]

Hi, weighing/waying in..

It seems to me that Jen your Neptune skipped step, with Pisces the sign of south Node in the first, and that loaded North Node, ruled by the Mercury Jupiter trining Neptune, suggests it is a lifetime that you become an inspired teacher, one who has moved beyond the personality of religion, as well as limiting belief systems of any kind.  

Instead I see you using the 10th house to be the example to others ( PL in Libra ) of a person whose dignity and integrity ( 10 h, Saturn conj no node ) allows her to stay in the be here now moments you describe earlier in the thread, as you become better in this life of embracing impermanence.  As you mature you allow your true connection to the divine, and to mother nature's laws, to inform you.  

I see the North Node is suggesting that you again integrate the Capricorn theme of the Neptune in the 10th house to be responsible to how you earn your money ( venus no node Saturn) in this life.  The Virgo takes me back to the Chiron, healing your mind ( 3rd house ) and finding spiritual work.  Vesta conj Chiron backs this up, as does the 10h... again.

It seems that the( Uranus 17)  Moon ( a boomerang not a yod ) as the boomerang point of the yod to the apex (17 Vesta)  Chiron  ( healing your sacred work )  allows you to integrate your need for "freedom from the known", and your ability to be a psychic ( EA ) detective with your Soul's desire ( Pluto 17) and inspire and lead others (17 Neptune in the 10th house).  Also those lucky children who will learn so much from you, much like JWG's family.

The core of Pluto in Libra being backed up by the stellium and NO NODE in the 7h, one on one therapy/counselling, and of course the aries libra nodal axis showing us your need to find the balance between your personal need to be a parent (10H) and that which will truly help transform the lives of others.. ( no node conj Saturn, other 10h signature, leadership/guidance, giving others clarity and dignity).  

So, as you move away from all limiting beliefs ( neptune skipped step ) and find the balance between what you need for yourself for your own spiritual growth vedic use  south node for spiritual growth) pisces/ in the first house ) you will find the correct touch to both create financial support ( no node = material growth/ with venus  and saturn for practicality)and really stay in touch with an evolving truth, once again, rather than anything limiting, as you have stated yourself as well in an earlier thread...  

Uranus Moon opposite Vesta and Chiron tells me your emotional honesty is going to allow you work on yourself so that any new age spiritual fundamentalist virus trips are outgrown, suggesting a movement from first stage to second stage spirituality...    

Also the Sag quality suggests to me that you are here to write some books, as the Chiron Vesta in the third seems you perhaps avoided or put on hold... and doing so both helps your subconscious and emotional growth.  Moon Uranus giving you that be here now/ impermanent/ freedom from the know/ which gives your mind the ability to keep exploring all twelve pieces of the puzzle the 3rd house loves to explore.

Moon Uranus also suggests to me that the more you trust the moments, the provident uni-verse of mother nature, the more it showers you with blessings...

Hope some of this rings true...

Tashi
PS:  Question,  JWG taught me a 17 degree orb,  how did they get smaller?

Hello Tashi


NEPTUNE SKIPPED STEPS


Welcome to our group ~ and thanks so much for submitting some of your insights regarding Jen's Neptune skipped steps and other archetypes.

17 deg orb seems awfully wide.  Can you please quote the source for a 17 deg orb?


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Hi Jen

An idea would be to copy Tashi's above statements, and then either confirm or refute them (some may be true in part) according to your real life experiences.  


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Thank you both,

Linda