Started by stephen, Sep 04, 2009, 01:36 PM
Quote from: stephen on Sep 04, 2009, 01:48 PMHi Again, So, my questions are listed below, if anyone is able to help me with these details.Thanks very much.Blessings,Stephen1) What is the orb for the Bi-Quintile (144/216 degrees)? Is it the same as the Quintile at 72 degrees? (orb: 3 degrees)2) What is the orb for the Tri-Septile (154/206 degrees)? Is it the same as the Septile at 51 25' degrees? (orb: 2 degrees)3) Is an 'Inconjunct' also named as a 'Quincux'...?4) The 1999 entry states 5 degrees for the Sesquiquadrate, yet the 2002 entry states only 3 degrees. Does this reflect a modification (based on correlation) of this orb sizing"¦? Or, which one is to be used? Thank you for any help that you can provide.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 05, 2009, 05:21 PMHi StepehnThe answer to 1 through 3 is "yes".My response to 4 is, it could be a band of 3 to 5 degrees, depending on.On what? with all the aspects, when you are dealing with a sensitive tuned in aware Soul, these energies can start affecting that Soul even outside of those guidelines - feeling a Pluto transit with a 12 degree orb, for example. Its an individual, case by case scenario. So some people would feel and be affected by sesquiquad at 3, others at 4, others at 5. None of those numbers are cast in stone and the only true answer. They were given as guidelines. The context around those numbers in the message board transcript was Jeffrey saying each astrologer had to determine for themselves what those orbs were, for them. And newer people saying they didn't have the experience to determine those yet. So Jeffrey posted those lists, of what he used, as guidelines, not as literal truth. Every case is unique. Another, for example, might not really affected by a Pluto square until an 8 degree orb had been reached.
QuoteThe orbs simply correlate to how long a person has been working on any given issue, i.e. ten degree relative to a square would mean that this would be the first lifetime for a person to work on whatever the two planets/archetypes/dynamics are. Conversely, for example, those same two planets could be in a 6 degree orb relative to the square, and this then suggests, in evolutionary terms, that the person has already been working on those evolutionary issues prior to the current life for at least several lifetimes. As such it is not "˜new' to the person, there would be previous experience, and thus the orientation, and behavior, would be different than the person who had the ten degree orb.
Quote from: ari moshe on Sep 07, 2009, 08:12 PMthe tighter the orb, the greater the intensity of that planetary relationship. that makes sense to me. however, why does he equate orb tightness to "how long the person has been working on any given issue"? that seems like a statement for the phasal relationship between two planets, not the orb between them.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 08, 2009, 12:29 AMThey are basically the same thing...
QuotePart of "how long the person has been working on any given issue" is that when looking at outer planet aspects like Mars-Pluto, a soul may require more than one lifetime to progress through ONE, as example, crescent/first quarter Mars/Pluto square - 20 degrees. Thus, "how long the person has been working on the issue". Again resisting necessary changes is the underlying issue
Quotedoes the phasal relationship necessarily have to reach the point of a square at all for the intentions of a mars pluto first quarter square to be worked out by a soul. i ask this for any aspect- i have a balsamic phase mars pluto- with an elongation of 23 degrees. does this mean the completion of the phase can only be worked out when i reach the conjunction stage in a future life, or within my free will I can complete the cycle w/out any conjunction?
Quotealso, are you saying 20 degrees= first quarter square??
Quote from: Steve on Sep 08, 2009, 07:59 PMNo. The typical orb given to a square is 20 degrees. For 1st quarter square, it starts at 80 degrees and ends at 100 degrees. Between 80 and 90 degrees leads to culmination of the old - as you move closer to exact aspect, you are having balsamic-like issues - culmination. Here I'm trying to understand...if the orb of a square is between 80-90 why would the phase be balsamic. A square is made up from the new phase and the crescent phase (initiation and internalization of prior phase), which leads to the first quarter square, right? So how is 80-90 balsamic?Although we are talking about a 1st quarter square, even within that experience - 1st Q square, it begins with the end of the old, the known - which is the nature of balsamic. Is this the answer? I think I understand. Is it the completion of the aspect, then moving into the next one? As it reaches 90 degrees, then we start having a new phase-like flavor - Aries - instinctual. We are in something new, not known, we don't consciously know how to do it. Thus we fly by gut instinct - New, Aries. As the aspect moves closer to 100 degrees we have been working with it long enough that its new reality has established itself - we no longer feel we are flying blind. Have begun integrating the changes into our sense of self-identity, who I see myself as. Then it is no longer new and we are on our way towards the next transition point (aspect). Okay, so if there is a square between Mars 23 Libra and Moon 24 Capricorn, the phase is still instinctual, new phase or is it moving into first quarter leading eventually to (I'm confused here I think)? Does this have something to do with the essence of all the phases being within the aspected planets?If the aspect was 28 or even 29 Libra square 24 Capricorn, the phase would be more conscious, balsamic? The challenge the square brings up would be less stressful because the soul would be more conscious of the implications of the conflict the square brings?That's why the most profound aspects tend to be conjunction, square, opposition. These represent the 90 degree turning points. Equate it to the seasons in a 12 month solar cycle. We are well aware each season requires an inward adjustment within ourselves, which takes time to acclimate. It is exactly like that. That is why Jeffrey gave the sesqui-quad and semi-square a lot of weight, because they are the midpoints of a square - 45 degrees. They correlate to the biquadrant points - 15 degrees of the fixed signs, Taurus Leo Scorpio Aquarius. Think of it - the middle of fixed signs, where resistance would tend to be at its peak. At that point the phase shifts from a yang phase to a yin phase, forcing us to go within and assimilate what has been experienced in the yang phase that preceded. The aspects within those phases mark the key turning points.These are the archetypes of a cycle, repeated endlessly in life, from the microscopic to the galactic.